savageamusement
04-18-2006, 01:27 PM
Over the last few weeks- several bad trader posts have popped up.
I don't need to name names, but some people popped up several times.
Now, when a user gets negative feedback- most often the first thing they do is argue it.
Whatever the reason, whatever the discussion, they argue it
And most often, in public.
And most often, not always but most often, whatever they were doing- even after it gets posted-
Should they trade again-
The behaviors pop up.
But since I have received an abundance of emails in regard to bad traders, bad trading, I would like to address a couple of the comments/questions publically.
What makes a bad Trader Savage?
Was asked of me Sunday night.
A member here, was toying with placing a bad trader thread- but admitted she had in fact received the discs.
Ultimately-
Yes getting the discs, the tapes, that is what the trade is for.
But there is MORE to trading
Trading starts to me, before the dsics or tapes are even being MADE.
How did they approach you?
Were they polite, were they in good communication.
The details on their list-
Were they forth coming about quality and questions
These are aspects of trading that should, and do get considered for most of us. Even if overlooked for the overall package.
When you started making their order
Were they in good communication
Were they fair about shipping
When you GOT them
Was it good quality media?
Were they lableled or easy to read/understand
Was it complete as they said
Or was the quality as they stated?
When it was over
Did they thank you
Did they leave feedback for you
Were you overall left wanting to trade them again?
Now individually, ONE item off the above might not be enough to cease you from trading the person.
Let's face it if the trader has the rare show from 1908 with Abe Lincolns ghost in it, and you want it-
How they leave feedback might not matter. The disc quality might not matter.
But in all, these are aspects of a trader/and trade that do get placed into the overall package of trading.
And often times people feel that if they get their discs.
Bam, thats it- the trader is good.
When in all honesty, if just sending the media was all that mattered, I wouldn't receive the complaints that I do- and the rush that I do.
I know more than the actual disc matters-
So for those who have been afraid to come forward, or start thread wars-
Several have asked me to post a general feeling or opinion of expectations- so that YOU the community can read this and give your feebback
What it comes down to for me is this
Getting the discs is the ultimate goal.
But the travel to that destination is what ultimately gets traders to come back
After all few shows are SO rare they can only get them from one person.
If I am going to choose one trader over another, I do consider their list- But I also consider their conduct.
And I expect certain conduct in that trade.
Now I am not going to beat aroudn the bush, when I said one trader in particular was getting a lot of heat lately- especially in threads- I was being honest.
And the above is not specificially about any one user.
But what I will say, with that user in mind- and I say this publically
Is that your word as a trader is all you have.
Your reputation is what most often will define you as a good trader.
It is possible for any good trader to botch up a trade-
I have botched up a tade-
Counted on discs that didn't work
Or miscalculated quality.
Lost a package, had to redo a package- or simply fell behind due to outside circumstances.
Things HAPPEN.
But how you HANDLE those things, is what is going to make the difference.
And as long as I am addressing issues-
I have received about 6-7 compliants-
that users have been bothered, or even borderline harrassed by a user, from excessive contact- and what can I do as a moderator to stop that.
UHmmmm
Nothing-except for bring it to their attention-
unfortunately if you decide to exchange email addresses or beyond that scope, a phone number.
How often someone contacts you is solely up to them :(
So my advice is be firm and express your boundries.
Don't assume they know how you feel.
Don't assume they will just stop-
Tell them it bothers you, or aggrivates you- and ask them to STOP
And stick to it.
If things are simply unmanageable and you can not gain ground on those boundries-
There is a way to block emails on most servers
There is a way to block private messages on here
And there are ways to file internet or even phone harrasment complaints.
And the reason I am addressing this subject is not to confuse issues, but because I stress these are aspects of conduct.
Some of these are age old issues that come up, different user, different trade- same issue.
So I have addressed all that has come to me privately this week, as most requested feedback and opinions- I leave this open for a calm, community discussion.
I don't need to name names, but some people popped up several times.
Now, when a user gets negative feedback- most often the first thing they do is argue it.
Whatever the reason, whatever the discussion, they argue it
And most often, in public.
And most often, not always but most often, whatever they were doing- even after it gets posted-
Should they trade again-
The behaviors pop up.
But since I have received an abundance of emails in regard to bad traders, bad trading, I would like to address a couple of the comments/questions publically.
What makes a bad Trader Savage?
Was asked of me Sunday night.
A member here, was toying with placing a bad trader thread- but admitted she had in fact received the discs.
Ultimately-
Yes getting the discs, the tapes, that is what the trade is for.
But there is MORE to trading
Trading starts to me, before the dsics or tapes are even being MADE.
How did they approach you?
Were they polite, were they in good communication.
The details on their list-
Were they forth coming about quality and questions
These are aspects of trading that should, and do get considered for most of us. Even if overlooked for the overall package.
When you started making their order
Were they in good communication
Were they fair about shipping
When you GOT them
Was it good quality media?
Were they lableled or easy to read/understand
Was it complete as they said
Or was the quality as they stated?
When it was over
Did they thank you
Did they leave feedback for you
Were you overall left wanting to trade them again?
Now individually, ONE item off the above might not be enough to cease you from trading the person.
Let's face it if the trader has the rare show from 1908 with Abe Lincolns ghost in it, and you want it-
How they leave feedback might not matter. The disc quality might not matter.
But in all, these are aspects of a trader/and trade that do get placed into the overall package of trading.
And often times people feel that if they get their discs.
Bam, thats it- the trader is good.
When in all honesty, if just sending the media was all that mattered, I wouldn't receive the complaints that I do- and the rush that I do.
I know more than the actual disc matters-
So for those who have been afraid to come forward, or start thread wars-
Several have asked me to post a general feeling or opinion of expectations- so that YOU the community can read this and give your feebback
What it comes down to for me is this
Getting the discs is the ultimate goal.
But the travel to that destination is what ultimately gets traders to come back
After all few shows are SO rare they can only get them from one person.
If I am going to choose one trader over another, I do consider their list- But I also consider their conduct.
And I expect certain conduct in that trade.
Now I am not going to beat aroudn the bush, when I said one trader in particular was getting a lot of heat lately- especially in threads- I was being honest.
And the above is not specificially about any one user.
But what I will say, with that user in mind- and I say this publically
Is that your word as a trader is all you have.
Your reputation is what most often will define you as a good trader.
It is possible for any good trader to botch up a trade-
I have botched up a tade-
Counted on discs that didn't work
Or miscalculated quality.
Lost a package, had to redo a package- or simply fell behind due to outside circumstances.
Things HAPPEN.
But how you HANDLE those things, is what is going to make the difference.
And as long as I am addressing issues-
I have received about 6-7 compliants-
that users have been bothered, or even borderline harrassed by a user, from excessive contact- and what can I do as a moderator to stop that.
UHmmmm
Nothing-except for bring it to their attention-
unfortunately if you decide to exchange email addresses or beyond that scope, a phone number.
How often someone contacts you is solely up to them :(
So my advice is be firm and express your boundries.
Don't assume they know how you feel.
Don't assume they will just stop-
Tell them it bothers you, or aggrivates you- and ask them to STOP
And stick to it.
If things are simply unmanageable and you can not gain ground on those boundries-
There is a way to block emails on most servers
There is a way to block private messages on here
And there are ways to file internet or even phone harrasment complaints.
And the reason I am addressing this subject is not to confuse issues, but because I stress these are aspects of conduct.
Some of these are age old issues that come up, different user, different trade- same issue.
So I have addressed all that has come to me privately this week, as most requested feedback and opinions- I leave this open for a calm, community discussion.