It has been raised to my attention by a few- that some posts that are getting placed in the Traders Forum might be better suited for other areas.


I know many enjoy the jokes, here and there- or even the posts regarding brief chit chat-
And that is why there is a chit chat section.


The traders forum should be limited to in example

"looking for
just got in
program questions
good / bad trader questions
rules about trading
advice about trading.


I am not saying each and every post needs to be strictly about trading
but the majority should be if possible.

I agree.

Posts should be about trading. staffino

I was thinking....

any anyone feel free to give me feedback here-
Of requesting one other subcatagory.
There is Traders ARchive
And Traders Feedback



Lets face it, most of traders, talk to each other- and we trade so often - more times then not a friendship developes.

I was wondering if a subcatagory lets say TRADERS Chat
Or TRADERS WATER COOLER
might compromise both ideas.

We as traders, can still come to THIS particular board, where we do what we do
But those who wanted to, could pop onto the chat, or water cooler forum and read harveys great jokers, or the "trader interest, but not TRADE related items.


Any thoughts?

At least IMHO. People could talk about off-topic stuff like who's got what, and which sets are rumored to be released soon on factory DVDs, and which traders are reliable and what the quality of available sets is, in the Traders Water Cooler. Meanwhile, the main trading forum could stay focused on "shows wanted" and "shows I have for trade." Which is really what the trading forum should be about.

I like the other stuff

the contests

the WORST AND BEST discussions

lilhave and his humor (which is sorely missing this morning)

somedays the board is just dead, and there is nothing new that anyone has gotten in to post

so the other areas keep interest going on the trading post until something new arrives!

Since I'm the one who posted the jokes daily, please allow me to express my feelings. You purchase a certain paper because of some aspect. Could be the editorials, the funnies,the sport section, entertainment section, or the advice columns. Of course it also contains weather, travel news etc. All the publisher cares is that you buy if for some reason. Here you don't buy, just become a member and you choose what you want to read or not read. Unlike a record club which tells how much you must buy per year to continue your membership, on the sitcom board you never have to read one post. Look at the threads, some get more views, and in some cases many more views then others. You look at the subject line and decide to read it or not.

When I offer a joke, it's simple to look at the subject line, decide if you want to smile or not. If not I'm not offended, skip past it and read what ever is your choosing, but for some, you are deciding for the membership none should see the jokes because you have made a decision on what the content should be. I have had quite a few private emails from folks telling me they liked them, passed them on to friends, neighbors, relatives and co-workers. Sorry but I abide by the wishes of a few and I will refrain from posting what I consider good humor.

Harvey

I liked the jokes- I think we all need a little more humor in our lives. Harvey's jokes will be missed. Thanks Harvey for the all the laughs your posts gave me.

Christy

I think it's a sad state of affairs when someone is miffed because of jokes being posted daily. It's easy for someone with an IQ higher than room temperature to figure out which threads are contests (IE, those having the word 'contest' in the subject line) and Harvey's jokes (normally any thread started by Harvey). If they bother someone so much, don't read them. Simple as that. I must admit, I've been skipping the contests & jokes lately, due to time. I do not consider it a hardship to skip the threads. And I would never even consider complaining about these items. Geez...


Many boards use 'OT:" to preface the subject line, if the subject is off topic. Perhaps that may be a compromise.

Would be bothered by a few jokes????

I mean, if you dont want to read them, DONT READ THEM!

How is it hurting anyone that they are there?

Do these people who report them as Inappropriate have nothing better to do with their lives?

As I said, sometimes noone has anything new in to trade, so the board is slow


Like today--- No posts all day! We could have a few chuckles or we could have a great contest or a cool poll about the hottest tv women of all time.... but today--- nothing....

very sad

I say we start a protest to bring back Harvey and his old jokes! :lol: :lol:

I also like the "chit-chat" and jokes on the trader's board. It does brighten things up and doesn't seem excessive (except for the rants - I can do without those...). Most people use pretty clear subject headers, and the ISO's and HAVE's are easy to find amongst the other messages.

However, if we really need to restrict things, I would like the Traders Water Cooler idea.

Don't stop the jokes lilhave!!:lol: :crazy: :lol:

Count me as another who likes the Jokes, Best of, Worst of and Contests. To echo Lamont's statements it brings some life to the board. I understand moving the good/bad trader post as they can certainly take up 1/2 the page on the board.

However the diferent conversations that occur here on the board are different than other forums and there is friendship relations made here. It is because of these conversations that I believe this board is the one everyone comes to.

I vote leave the jokes and contests on this board don't move it to somewhere that I have to click another selection. I am too lazy.

And SAVE THE PEEPS

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=168550&page=2

Cheers
Jay:crazy:

www.freewebs.com/cartoondvds

how about just let people pick and choose what they would like to read

whats next

theres a special place for each type of post

and you need to look at 14 different areas

no matter what is said, there will always be someone who is got an agenda, or just plain dont like anything

this is a good place to check your political, axes to grind, your holier than the rest of us ideas, the polticaly correct guff, all at the door

no one is getting murdered , mamed, or segregated against, in any of the posts

if they were, lord savage would snip it

enjoy things while your here, its a hobby

there are plenty of places other than here to pitch a fit about abortion, politics, race relations, economy, war, terrorists,etc etc

besides, the jokes were posted by a harmless old man, all he has in life are those jokes and his memories of growing up back in the 1920's

do you really want to take that away from him as well?

how about just let people pick and choose what they would like to read

whats next

theres a special place for each type of post

and you need to look at 14 different areas

no matter what is said, there will always be someone who is got an agenda, or just plain dont like anything

this is a good place to check your political, axes to grind, your holier than the rest of us ideas, the polticaly correct guff, all at the door

no one is getting murdered , mamed, or segregated against, in any of the posts

if they were, lord savage would snip it

enjoy things while your here, its a hobby

there are plenty of places other than here to pitch a fit about abortion, politics, race relations, economy, war, terrorists,etc etc

besides, the jokes were posted by a harmless old man, all he has in life are those jokes and his memories of growing up back in the 1920's

do you really want to take that away from him as well?

You left off Parkinsons, Arthritis, Alzheimers, and the fact I have 12 balloons and 19 stents. It's not easy taking 18 blue pills, 13 yellow, 14 green and 35 pink pills a day, while being color blind. That's part of life when you get past 93. I have one pleasure in life, that's when my wife takes me off life support and that's posting a joke. My only other pleasure is looking at the porn dvds Lamont sends me and watching the sheet go up and down.

Harvey

I think the jokes and an occasional off-topic threads are ok, if they are kept to a minimum. Maybe a solution would be to post everything in one single joke thread instead of creating a new one every time. If you've visited the main Chit Chat area, you'll see there is one thread for complaints and another for good news.

I know a lot of you just visit this one Trading Post board and that's fine.. but there are many other boards here that I would encourage you to visit and post on. Some of you don't seem to venture off here very often. I've tried chit chat sub-forums on other boards here in the past, and then every board wanted their own off-topic forum, and I've said no. It's easier to just to have one main Chit Chat forum here that has sub-forums for Games, Movies, Music, Sports and Politics.

I know the Traders community is a close one for the most part. It's like it's own little group. I would love to see more you visit and post on other boards and discuss the many shows you've collected.

the return of humor to the board is at hand!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

much thanks to TJ

the return of humor to the board is at hand!!! :lol: :lol: :lol:

much thanks to TJ

That's not true Lamont. I'm not going to post jokes in one thread and in one month a person has six pages to turn too and it just gets bigger and bigger. If TJ feels it's inapproriate to post 2 jokes a day as it will disturb the sync of the board, so be it. It's his board to do as he sees fit We on many occassions discussed the fact that democracy and majority don't rule, but one vote does and TJ has that vote. I wonder how many emailed either Kim or Tj and gave their thoughts.?

Harvey

Nobody has contacted me about it personally.. but it seems about 50/50 that have contacted Kim.

I'm trying to come up with a solution that satisfies everybody. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

What's the problem with one thread exactly? You just hit the down arrow key and it takes you to the latest post. It wouldn't be necessary to wade through 6 pages to find the latest joke posted. I think if you keep creating new threads, it just creates clutter to the board.

Nobody has contacted me about it personally.. but it seems about 50/50 that have contacted Kim.

I'm trying to come up with a solution that satisfies everybody. It's damned if you do, damned if you don't.

What's the problem with one thread exactly? You just hit the down arrow key and it takes you to the latest post. It wouldn't be necessary to wade through 6 pages to find the latest joke posted. I think if you keep creating new threads, it just creates clutter to the board.

I don't want to debate you on the topic but Kim did tell me that the wide, wide, wide majoirity wanted the jokes to continue, a far cry from 50/50. In fact she said only one opposed it. Anyway your the boss and if you think two jokes a day will cause clutter on the board, I can live with it. Addding and making one massive thread makes little or no sense to me, so let's move the contests, which I did start and the worst show etc. to a new area as they don't pertain to trading.

By the way, with 2 jokes a day and 60 in two mos., how many pages would that be.?

Harvey

I wasn't debating the fact that most people wanted them to continue. I guess I should have been more clear. Some just didn't think they belonged on this particular board. I've just been tossing ideas around with Kim for something that will keep everybody happy.

If you don't want to post the jokes in a single thread, that's fine.. but you'll be disappointing a lot of people. People on the main chit chat area don't create a new thread every time they have a complaint, they post in that one particular complaint thread. It helps keep things organized. There are many single threads like that in that area. I think you'll find more people will read the jokes if they are in a single thread. A lot of threads on the Traders Post really don't get a lot views.

I misunderstood the earlier reply and thought the jokes would be coming back

i will be sorry to see them go


what suprises me is that someone would actually be so bothered by a simple joke that they would email a moderator and complain about it? how seriously do these people take things? i mean this whole sight is about enjoying tv shows and having fun, its not the IRS site or Mental Health online, i understand the rules, and it is TJs site so he is the head honcho

but i think that far too many people take this whole thing far too seriously, and some of them just find things to complain about to fill up empty time in empty lives

:lol: :lol:
:grady:

just my 2 cents worth

I misunderstood the earlier reply and thought the jokes would be coming back

i will be sorry to see them go


what suprises me is that someone would actually be so bothered by a simple joke that they would email a moderator and complain about it? how seriously do these people take things? i mean this whole sight is about enjoying tv shows and having fun, its not the IRS site or Mental Health online, i understand the rules, and it is TJs site so he is the head honcho

but i think that far too many people take this whole thing far too seriously, and some of them just find things to complain about to fill up empty time in empty lives

:lol: :lol:
:grady:

just my 2 cents worth

Don't worry Lamont. Tomorrow I will send you a private joke about the farmers daughter, that was considered to risque for downtown Paris. Complete with pictures.

Harvey the photographer

I agree that posting the jokes in a single thread sucks. I don't see that they clutter up the board, since after a day or two, with no new posts added to them, they will scroll to a subsequent page.

Unfortunately, it seems like all the hobbyist forums I've belonged to have this issue. People come together with a common interest & friendships develop. So when OT subjects, such as jokes or something start getting posted, there are always some poopie heads who get irritated & say 'this site is for discussing ___'. It's certainly an understandable argument if the site is a business oriented site or if the OT threads start taking over the board & the main subject is hardly ever discussed. Obviously, neither of those is happening in this case.

:( :( :(

By the way, with 2 jokes a day and 60 in two mos., how many pages would that be.?

4 ...now compare that to 60 individual threads and you see why the concern.

of course one benefit to having a "joke-of-the-day" thread is that it will entice others to participate with their own jokes.

Most of the tv-related/non-trading topics on this board would fit well in the General Sitcoms Questions and Discussion (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=27) board - the wealth of TV knowledge among the Traders here that frequents ONLY this board would be a much-welcomed asset to the rest of the site, and I'm sure that if some of you gave it a chance you would find a lot of other members of Sitcoms Online with common interests in classic televison.

To answer Lilhaves question, I actually never received any complaints.

I happened to notice the other day, at the end of a joke- A user commented "Why is this here"

As far as others comments, they were all asking where are the jokes. I cna't say that I had any complaints about the jokes. Or any other posts.

I am not sure what the right/best way to do things are.

I dont think it is just the jokes. I think (correct me if I am wrong)
I think what TJ was pointing out about clutter is, if lilhave posts a joke- Okay it ins't a huge deal, its a blurb on the large level of posts.
But if there is a blurb from everyone, it could quite concievable get cluttered.
And what position would I be in- In that case.

In example

Lilhave posts his joke.
And I post a contest-
Now you have two random chit chat type threads.

Now someone else posts who is their favorite actor, now you have three.

Do I stop the 4th person? And say hey enough is enough?
Or does everyone have the right to 1-2 off topic posts a day.

I support the owner, and the desire to keep things organized
And I support the group- wanting to read their posts, and their chatter that is aimed sometimes quite specifically to this group.

I dont want to be moving threads all day.
but I dont want some people to have to search for things either.
I want to read things like lilhaves jokes ore the few random things that pop up, that happen to tie in to the trades etc.


I myself have contributed to the clutter with my contests- I didn't view them as clutter, but maybe they are in fact in the long rules of things.

I would love to find a compromise and as TJ says we have been emailing back forth to dicuss it.

So what about some ideas from you guys?

Some have said they firmly don't care- and that the jokes themselves don't matter
But to be fair it's becuase you guys LIKE the jokes :)

if someone was posting a couple days from the farmers almanac someome might care more.

So I know many have said they dont want to see in example harveys jokes go-
but they dont want to scan through a long 4 page thread.
And some have flat out said they dont like leaving the traders forum.

So is there an idea maybe TJ and I have missed? A solution you think might work--maybe we can brainstorm and come up with an idea everyone can live with.

4 ...now compare that to 60 individual threads and you see why the concern.

of course one benefit to having a "joke-of-the-day" thread is that it will entice others to participate with their own jokes.

Most of the tv-related/non-trading topics on this board would fit well in the General Sitcoms Questions and Discussion (http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/forumdisplay.php?f=27) board - the wealth of TV knowledge among the Traders here that frequents ONLY this board would be a much-welcomed asset to the rest of the site, and I'm sure that if some of you gave it a chance you would find a lot of other members of Sitcoms Online with common interests in classic televison.

Maybe logic is not my strong suit but it seems to me that you spent most of your reply with a ad for members to post in the sitcoms questions section of the site. TJ said the same thing. Wonder if TJ said that Chicken Little was falling from the sky, you would agree?

All this because I tried to add a little humor when people woke in the morning.

Try to imagine if you went to a store and made a purchase and instead of saying thanks the owner said " yea but why don't you also buy this from me" You have folks who are members of this section, doing a nice job, making it the best trading board on the net and still I feel your not satisfied.

Harvey

Actually, I think robyrob was one of the people who suggested a sub-forum for the Trading Post section. I have an off-topic section already for everybody to use on the site, so that's not an option. Maybe I should just create a separate url for the Trading Post section so that could be their own little community? It's like there are 2 different groups.

I don't see what's wrong with encouraging people to post on other boards here. It would benefit everybody. Use this board for trading. That's what it was created for. This is not an all-purpose board.

It's just not about the jokes.. it's about the obit notices and other off-topic tv/sitcom type threads that would be better suited for other boards. I'm sure people come here, first and foremost, to read posts about trading. If there's nothing new here, then check out one of the other 650+ boards here.

Maybe logic is not my strong suit but it seems to me that you spent most of your reply with a ad for members to post in the sitcoms questions section of the site. TJ said the same thing. Wonder if TJ said that Chicken Little was falling from the sky, you would agree?

All this because I tried to add a little humor when people woke in the morning.

Try to imagine if you went to a store and made a purchase and instead of saying thanks the owner said " yea but why don't you also buy this from me" You have folks who are members of this section, doing a nice job, making it the best trading board on the net and still I feel your not satisfied.

Harvey
i am not a blind follower of TJ - or anybody else for that matter, i just think that it would be preferable to have the jokes STAY, rather than be removed off of this board altogether.

If I sound like an ad for the rest of this site, its because I believe in it - and I think that maybe some of you guys would appreciate the conversations going on in other areas of the site, mostly because a good portion of them are the SAME conversations. You certainly have no obligation to check out the rest of the site, it wont hurt my feelings either way.

I personally don't think that the off-topic threads are that big of a deal on this board, but I have seen what happens when it is let slide and it DOES get out-of-hand; at one point the Happy Days board had 3-4 times as many off-topic threads as there were ones that belonged there. There has to be some ground rules set to maintain the balance.

There will always be someone who disagrees with ANY compromise, and this is pretty much a no-win situation for those that must make the decisions (which i have no part in), but they have to make some sort of compromise that will be in the board's best interest.

If all the 'regulars' to the trading board are telling you things are fine around here as is, why are you pushing for change?

The trading board is a little community of it's own, most of us choose to hang out here exclusively because we feel comfortable here - it's our place, our little corner of Sitcoms.

You say the board is cluttered? I don't see it that way. There's barely 15-20 new posts a day (if that). In fact, I welcome and encourage more people to post new topics each day.

I think this is an extreme case of over-reacting - 1 person posts "Why is this here" - and the Admin. is freaking out.

well said, joker!

Some of the things that are brought up about the encouraging other to post
in this forum. But TJ is absolutely right that there are other parts of the board
that have some of the things talked about recently would fit there.

As far as cross promotional items. that happens all the time in stores and
catalog orders. In fact general sales people are encouraged to make sure
that people are getting to the other areas of the store. So unfortunately
the logic presented by Lilhave is faulty.

The third thing to remember is the golden rule of Site owners. If the
site owner says that's the way he wants it, then that's the way he
gets it.

If all the 'regulars' to the trading board are telling you things are fine around here as is, why are you pushing for change?

The trading board is a little community of it's own, most of us choose to hang out here exclusively because we feel comfortable here - it's our place, our little corner of Sitcoms.

You say the board is cluttered? I don't see it that way. There's barely 15-20 new posts a day (if that). In fact, I welcome and encourage more people to post new topics each day.

I think this is an extreme case of over-reacting - 1 person posts "Why is this here" - and the Admin. is freaking out.

There is a old adage covering what you just said. "If it ain't broken, don't fix it." Then TJ employed the what if principle. "There may not be clutter now, but what if". Why not see if problems arise and if so, then act on them. Some folks have the what if principle run their whole lives. As kids we would say "what if the Queen had b____s, then she would be the King.

I really didn't care about TJ hawking the rest of the site but that wasn't the place for it. Anytime he wants to start a thread and shill the remainder of the board, that's fine but the thread was about clutter and if two posts on jokes, would add to it. TJ decided that was the time to advertise the rest of the site, which changed the context of the thread. Robyrob then spoke of the cross advertising as did Dragonbear. Save it for another post.

Harvey

"what if the Queen had b____s, then she would be the King."

Umm. have you seen her Harvey? They have to prove that she
doesn't have them :-)

But this one is getting that dead horse feeling to it. TJ made his decision
and I feel we probably should respect it regardless of our feelings on the
matter.

"what if the Queen had b____s, then she would be the King."

Wow....tell me that wasn't in a fortune cookie.


What about this compromise.

What If I make a thread called Harveys Joke Archive


Let the jokes post every day, and each weekend, ill put them in the Archive-

So people can read them in here each day, comment if they choose
And each weekend I can put them in the archive so if people wnat to read them again we have a nice collection for bad days when we need laughter
and it won't clutter the board.

Does that cover everyones concern?

No one has to miss out on reading them.
No one has to worry about clutter
No one has to worry if they missed reading them

That is, if Mr. Lilhave will even post them again?

I frankly think we need the laughter.

Let me know if this works for anyone?

"what if the Queen had b____s, then she would be the King."

Wow....tell me that wasn't in a fortune cookie.


What about this compromise.

What If I make a thread called Harveys Joke Archive


Let the jokes post every day, and each weekend, ill put them in the Archive-

So people can read them in here each day, comment if they choose
And each weekend I can put them in the archive so if people wnat to read them again we have a nice collection for bad days when we need laughter
and it won't clutter the board.

Does that cover everyones concern?

No one has to miss out on reading them.
No one has to worry about clutter
No one has to worry if they missed reading them

That is, if Mr. Lilhave will even post them again?

I frankly think we need the laughter.

Let me know if this works for anyone?

That's why Savage is our moderator, brains and beauty, what a combination. It really makes sense, so where in the olympics they say "let the games begin", tomorrow will be let the jokes begin.

A simple solution but it took Savage to come up with it. Hopefully TJ feels the same way.

Harvey