http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/6865/dt.html

I found this a few months ago any ideas or anyone wanna talk about this case?

I do remember this when it was aired on UM. LE seemed to feel that someone who had been in prison was involved - I think because of the way they were bound. The perpetrator had discarded some gloves and things - he was very careful not to leave fingerprints. Also, for several years the family members would receive letters from the alleged perpetrator taunting them about the crimes. I remember one of the phrases contained in this letter was: "Hallelujah Bloody Jesus."

"Hallelujah Bloody Jesus."

I remember this now, too. Didn't the letter writer have very bad spelling and punctuation skills as well?

Wow, I used to have that book "Murderers Among Us" when it came out and loved it. I have had that case (of the murdered couple) in the back of my mind and couldn't remember what book it was from. Now I need to get that book again. For those of you that like the Unexplained Death segments on Unsolved Mysteries, this book is a must read. I highly recommend it. Thank you for posting that, it brought me back. I also remember seeing that segment on UM as well.

Wow, I used to have that book "Murderers Among Us" when it came out and loved it. I have had that case (of the murdered couple) in the back of my mind and couldn't remember what book it was from.

I remember coming across that book in my local library. It was over a decade ago, but I haven't forgotten that it included the murders of Tanya and Jay.

In recent years, serial killer Robert Yates has been considered a suspect in their murders, but there has never been any hard evidence to link him to the case.

synthislab check out Amazon for "Murderers Among Us". I got it there for like $1 plus shipping several months ago.

I heard from someone on the other board that Charles Sinclair was also a suspect in Jay and Tonya's case. He was dubbed the "Coin Shop Killer" because he usually targeted employees and customers at coin shops. Anyone else heard this theory? Sinclair did die in prison several years ago.

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.

I assume you mean the picture on the front of the girl with short black hair and what appears to be bright lipstick. Her name is Christina Gill. I haven't read the story in a while but her and Ashley Reed are missing and presumed dead and police believe it could be the same killer. They were from the Dallas area. Hope this helps! :wave:

Hey, sorry for bringing ths back. I am assumed there was a thread on it on here but I had to go back a ways. Yes, as CrystalDawn said, Charles Sinclair is actually a major suspect in this. Yates was thought to have maybe been involved but supposedly he was in Spokane at the time of the murders. As far as I know Sinclair had never done time in prison. Sinclair had a basic education, high school graduate. Sinclair was also a Navy veteran that served in Vietnam. It is thought Sinclair didnt start killing until he was in his early 30's but when he did he got addicted to it it looks like. If I remember right, Sinclair was thought of killing no fewer than 10 people in Washington State, Oregon and California from 1980 to 1989. Sinclair is also thought to be a possible suspect in murders in Utah, New Mexico, Colorado and New York on the east coast.

Sinclair is a suspect in the murders of coin shop owners as noted earlier. Sinclair was known because he would usually kill a dealer with a single shot to the head in the same spot. Sinclair was known to have murdered a California coin dealer in 1980 because he had his watch which was very unique. Sinclair was also thought to have murdered an Oregon coin dealer in 1981 or 1982 and he was also thought to have murdered an elderly couple from California that was traveling in Washington State in 1986. The elderly couple disapperead and their bodies were never found. Their truck was found abandoned at Sea-Tac International Airport in Seattle in July of 1986. Sinclair was found to be in possession of their credit cards and he had used them in the town where he lived to buy gasoline, movies, and a clarinet for his daughter. Sinclair was also the only known suspect in the 1987 murder of Jay and Tanya. Their van was abandoned at a bus depot in Bellingham if I remember right. It was obvious that the murder of Tanya was much more personal. The cops said that it appeared Jay was murdered more just to get him out of the way. Sinclair was known to kill people if he needed money or just needed to rape someone. The last murder that Sinclair was thought to have committed was that of an 18 year old college freshman in November of 1989. This girl went out jogging the day before thanksgiving and disappeared. Her body was found a couple of days after thanksgiving in the river. She had been raped and strangled. The item used to strangle her was part of a bedsheet. The remaining part of the bed sheet was found in a Shed on Sinclair's property when a search warrant was executed on the shed in April of 1990. It was not to long after this that Sinclair went on the run. In addition to the bed sheet a year book that belonged to Sinclair's son was found in a barrell along with other items belong to the murdered and missing people. The college girl and Sinclair's son had gone to high school together and had graduated in the class of 1989. This girl's picture and name were circled with black sharpie marker in the yearbook. Sinclair was found in Alaska in August of 1990 and was arrested. He was held in Alaska awaiting extradition to Washington State which he was fighitng extradition when he died of a massive heart attack in jail in October of 1990 at age 44.

Anyone ever notice that this always seems to happen? A murder goes unsolved... there's a break in the case and they think they've found the person who did it... and the prime suspect dies.

I feel for the family in those siutations. It's like justice is so close... and then gone forever.

Hey, crystaldawn. Sorry to go off topic here, but there is another case that stuck in my mind from that book. It involves a gothic girl that is killed (I believe her picture is on the cover of the book). If you could tell me her name, that would really help me out. Thanks.
i was very close friends in the Dallas goth scene with a murdered girl named Christina Gill. I haven't thought of her in years and did a Google search to find any current or resolved information about the case. I noticed your post on this and wondered about the book you mentioned there was a book about the cae with her picture on the cover ??? Anyway, my close friend Christina Gill (who I still have all of her letters) was murdered and she fit your description... goth, dallas, late 80's. If you have any links or info, I would apprecaite an email. rhblackburnii@hotmail.com

i was very close friends in the Dallas goth scene with a murdered girl named Christina Gill. I haven't thought of her in years and did a Google search to find any current or resolved information about the case. I noticed your post on this and wondered about the book you mentioned there was a book about the cae with her picture on the cover ??? Anyway, my close friend Christina Gill (who I still have all of her letters) was murdered and she fit your description... goth, dallas, late 80's. If you have any links or info, I would apprecaite an email. rhblackburnii@hotmail.com



... Re: Christina Gill from Dallas- I did not know her- lived in the apartment complex where they found her car. There were rumors that she dated a neighbor there, and more rumors concerning him - but he was never arrested as far as I know. I just ordered the book with her photo on the cover, as I have long wondered if anyone was ever implicated or charged in her murder. She was a young girl living much like I did in Dallas at the time - it could have happened to me. I hope one day her killer is caught. The only other posting I have ever seen about her is much like this one. It said her family was devastated and had spent over $100,000.00 searching for her. Dallas Morning News Archives shows maybe 7 articles you can buy, but I did not buy them, as none indicates any suspect was ever located.

I still think Charles Sinclair is probably the person that murdered Cook and Van Cuylenborg. He traveled all over the western part of the US throughout the '80's, so it appears that it wasn't very easy to keep track of him.

Does anyone know if he made any confessions while in prison (and obviously before he died of a heart attack)?

I think whoever murdered Jay and Tanya may also have had a hand in the deaths of Diana Robertson and Mike Riemer.

Here's a brief summary on Sinclair as a serial killer (unfortunately you have to scroll halfway down the page of this serial killer index):

http://www.crimezzz.net/serialkiller_index/serienkiller_s.php

I think whoever murdered Jay and Tanya may also have had a hand in the deaths of Diana Robertson and Mike Riemer.
Very interesting theory. But I would have to wonder why the deviating methods? And Diana wasn't sexually assaulted. Not that those are clinchers, but I don't think the person brutal enough to kill the two teenagers would have actually been emphatic enough to drop the 3-year-old at the supermarket.

Very interesting theory. But I would have to wonder why the deviating methods? And Diana wasn't sexually assaulted. Not that those are clinchers, but I don't think the person brutal enough to kill the two teenagers would have actually been emphatic enough to drop the 3-year-old at the supermarket.

Whoever killed Diana Robertson and Mike Riemer, there is also a very strong possibility that they killed Ruth Cooper and Stephen Harkin (due to the similiarities in the sock tied around both Diana and Ruth's necks, and the type of knot used), and whoever it was was obviously sympathetic enough to spare Crystal and drop her off at the K-mart.

I fully believe that Joseph Burgess was the killer of Riemer/Robertson as well as Stephan Hawkins and Ruth Cooper. I think he also could very well have been killer of Jay and Tanya. He killed unmarried couples because he believed they where living in sin. This is why he spared to Riemers child

I fully believe that Joseph Burgess was the killer of Riemer/Robertson as well as Stephan Hawkins and Ruth Cooper. I think he also could very well have been killer of Jay and Tanya. He killed unmarried couples because he believed they where living in sin. This is why he spared to Riemers child

Totally forgot about Burgess, and while it seems like he would be the type of killer who would spare a child, unless he was stalking Riemer and Robertson for days, I don't see how he would have known they weren't married. Unless of course he stumbled upon them in the woods and simply asked them if they were married and when they said they weren't he snapped, anything's possible when dealing with serial killers.

Totally forgot about Burgess, and while it seems like he would be the type of killer who would spare a child, unless he was stalking Riemer and Robertson for days, I don't see how he would have known they weren't married. Unless of course he stumbled upon them in the woods and simply asked them if they were married and when they said they weren't he snapped, anything's possible when dealing with serial killers.
Well we know that Riemer frequented that wooded area and Burgess was a survilist who very well could have been camped out in the area. Their paths could have easily crossed a time or two. We know Jay and Tanya spoke to a man on the ferry that its believed they have a ride to so if that was Burgess he could have easliy found out they where unmarried

"We know Jay and Tanya spoke to a man on the ferry that its believed they have a ride to so if that was Burgess he could have easliy found out they where unmarried"

Was that proven or was that just speculated?

I remember seeing a more recent article/non-UM news piece on the case. It stated that Jay and Tanya were parked on a street in downtown Seattle the night that they got off the ferry (instead of getting a hotel room) and that it's believed their killer confronted them while they were parked there.

"We know Jay and Tanya spoke to a man on the ferry that its believed they have a ride to so if that was Burgess he could have easliy found out they where unmarried"

Was that proven or was that just speculated?

I remember seeing a more recent article/non-UM news piece on the case. It stated that Jay and Tanya were parked on a street in downtown Seattle the night that they got off the ferry (instead of getting a hotel room) and that it's believed their killer confronted them while they were parked there.

Ok apparently that was just speculated. I had seen the re-enactment before and just assumed that someone had seen them talking to the man but turns out it was just an assumption that they met him on the ferry.

Very interesting theory. But I would have to wonder why the deviating methods? And Diana wasn't sexually assaulted. Not that those are clinchers, but I don't think the person brutal enough to kill the two teenagers would have actually been emphatic enough to drop the 3-year-old at the supermarket.

Precisely :)

i was very close friends in the Dallas goth scene with a murdered girl named Christina Gill. I haven't thought of her in years and did a Google search to find any current or resolved information about the case. I noticed your post on this and wondered about the book you mentioned there was a book about the cae with her picture on the cover ??? Anyway, my close friend Christina Gill (who I still have all of her letters) was murdered and she fit your description... goth, dallas, late 80's. If you have any links or info, I would apprecaite an email. rhblackburnii@hotmail.com


The book doesnt mention Christina as being a goth or being involved in the goth scene .... interestingly enough the description of how she was dressed the night she disappeared is also not consistent with a typical goth girl .....

The book doesnt mention Christina as being a goth or being involved in the goth scene .... interestingly enough the description of how she was dressed the night she disappeared is also not consistent with a typical goth girl .....

I'm going to go ahead and say here that Murderers Among Us is not the end-all, be-all on any given victim's life, although I thought that would have been obvious.

rhblackburn, I'm very sorry you lost your friend, especially in such a violent way. If you are actually still visiting this forum or ever do another search on Christina, the book is called Murderers Among Us and was written by Stephen Michaud and Hugh Aynesworth. It's been out of print for years but you can easily pick up a copy online for literally pennies. Hope that helps.

"We know Jay and Tanya spoke to a man on the ferry that its believed they have a ride to so if that was Burgess he could have easliy found out they where unmarried"

Was that proven or was that just speculated?

I remember seeing a more recent article/non-UM news piece on the case. It stated that Jay and Tanya were parked on a street in downtown Seattle the night that they got off the ferry (instead of getting a hotel room) and that it's believed their killer confronted them while they were parked there.


:talk: A 2010 article by the Canwest news service states that they disappeared before taking a second ferry to Seattle ....

Some new information on the case.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJvVqaaSh1w

At least this solves one mystery.

Totally forgot about Burgess, and while it seems like he would be the type of killer who would spare a child, unless he was stalking Riemer and Robertson for days, I don't see how he would have known they weren't married. Unless of course he stumbled upon them in the woods and simply asked them if they were married and when they said they weren't he snapped, anything's possible when dealing with serial killers.

Ive also wondered about Burgess. And frankly, he could know if they were married by looking at their hands. No rings, no married. (Yes, I know it's not a perfect determining identifier, but we're talking about a man who killed people for committing what he considered to be sins, so I'm not sure he'd care.)

:talk: A 2010 article by the Canwest news service states that they disappeared before taking a second ferry to Seattle ....



Interesting, where would they have been at that point in their trip (what city?: Bremerton, Washington?) when they disappeared?

I wonder if they would have been getting into their van again to drive to the next ferry (likely with the killer that "befriended" them on the previous ferry) and then were held at gunpoint. If so, the killer probably took control of the van (or just made demands to the driver and made them take a detour) and then did his sick deeds from there.

That would be a different and more likely scenario than being held up at gunpoint while staying overnight in their van on a street in downtown Seattle, because they could have tried to drive away if Jay or Tanya was still sitting in the driver's seat and someone walked up to their van with a gun.

Interesting, where would they have been at that point in their trip (what city?: Bremerton, Washington?) when they disappeared?

I wonder if they would have been getting into their van again to drive to the next ferry (likely with the killer that "befriended" them on the previous ferry) and then were held at gunpoint. If so, the killer probably took control of the van (or just made demands to the driver and made them take a detour) and then did his sick deeds from there.

That would be a different and more likely scenario than being held up at gunpoint while staying overnight in their van on a street in downtown Seattle, because they could have tried to drive away if Jay or Tanya was still sitting in the driver's seat and someone walked up to their van with a gun.

They were seen in the town of Allyn around 9pm and were headed towards Bremerton ....

The killer in this case seemed to have come prepared for what he wanted to do to the young couple , wherever he met them its probably closer to were he was coming from or living at that time ....

Interesting, where would they have been at that point in their trip (what city?: Bremerton, Washington?) when they disappeared?

I wonder if they would have been getting into their van again to drive to the next ferry (likely with the killer that "befriended" them on the previous ferry) and then were held at gunpoint. If so, the killer probably took control of the van (or just made demands to the driver and made them take a detour) and then did his sick deeds from there.

That would be a different and more likely scenario than being held up at gunpoint while staying overnight in their van on a street in downtown Seattle, because they could have tried to drive away if Jay or Tanya was still sitting in the driver's seat and someone walked up to their van with a gun.

It was determined that they bought tickets for the ferry to Seattle but there were no reliable witnesses who saw them on the ferry to Seattle.

It is said that evidence showed that they were killed on same night they disappeared , given that their bodies were found in towns north of Seattle they must have crossed on the ferry but its impossible to tell if they had met the killer in Bremerton or if they met the killer in Seattle ....... thats the frustrating thing about this case ....

It was determined that they bought tickets for the ferry to Seattle but there were no reliable witnesses who saw them on the ferry to Seattle.

It is said that evidence showed that they were killed on same night they disappeared , given that their bodies were found in towns north of Seattle they must have crossed on the ferry but its impossible to tell if they had met the killer in Bremerton or if they met the killer in Seattle ....... thats the frustrating thing about this case ....



If that's the case, they probably never made it to Seattle. The killer was probably with them or nearby when they bought the tickets to Seattle. They probably met or were confronted by him in Bremerton or one of those smaller towns in northwest Washington state.

If that's the case, they probably never made it to Seattle. The killer was probably with them or nearby when they bought the tickets to Seattle. They probably met or were confronted by him in Bremerton or one of those smaller towns in northwest Washington state.

Thats very possible , what also intrigued me is that there are a few couples in that same general area of the state who disappeared and were found dead , whoever targeted Tanya and Jay probably would done something like this either before or after 1987 .....

They were seen in the town of Allyn around 9pm and were headed towards Bremerton ....

I was on vacation in the Seattle, Hood Canal (Allyn, Bremerton) and Whidbey Island areas last week. I couldn't help but think of Jay and Tanya when I was riding the ferry. Everyone I met on my trip was so friendly, but I have to admit I kept looking over my shoulder on the ferry to make sure no one was following me. I know it was a bit irrational, but still...I was creeped out. :(

I was on vacation in the Seattle, Hood Canal (Allyn, Bremerton) and Whidbey Island areas last week. I couldn't help but think of Jay and Tanya when I was riding the ferry. Everyone I met on my trip was so friendly, but I have to admit I kept looking over my shoulder on the ferry to make sure no one was following me. I know it was a bit irrational, but still...I was creeped out. :(

Hi , hope you enjoyed your vacation :)

Its amazing how no one reported seeing Jay and Tanya on that ferry on that fateful night .

Its interesting that you mention how friendly people were because Tanya and Jay were also considered quite friendly especially with them being from a small town and its thought maybe thats how the killer met them ....

while still on the subject of your ferry trip , how long did the ferry trip crossing take ? What times are the ferry crossings ?

Hi , hope you enjoyed your vacation :)

Its amazing how no one reported seeing Jay and Tanya on that ferry on that fateful night .

Its interesting that you mention how friendly people were because Tanya and Jay were also considered quite friendly especially with them being from a small town and its thought maybe thats how the killer met them ....

while still on the subject of your ferry trip , how long did the ferry trip crossing take ? What times are the ferry crossings ?


I actually took the Whidbey Island ferry (which is only a 20 minute ride), not the Victoria ferry - but it was pretty much in the same area, same type of seating as was shown in the UM segment. I looked into going to Victoria...IIRC, it takes a couple of hours, and I imagine there are hourly trips.

Honestly, I don't think it's that surprising that nobody would have remembered them. I take public transportation often, and people treat ferries the same way as you would taking a bus or a train. There are a few tourists scattered here and there, but mostly everyone keeps their heads down and minds their own business.

I feel the killer must have killed before. To be so violent and cruel it scary.

Imo hr must have looked fPerfectly normal for no witnesses to have noticed, I mean a creepy perverted. Looking man is not easily befriended by two teens with out any one noticing.
He also must have premeditated the attack and carried a back pack or something. To carry his tools gun, ammo, mask ect ect. Drawing the conclusion. That this is a pro serial killer.

I give him the title pro as he has never been caught.

Also read somewhere that it was thought. That he had been in prison due to the fact that items were stuffed down his throat to prevent him from breathing or screaming out? Has any one else heard anything. About. This? If he had been in prison it could not have been for a serious crime or his dna would have been taken.

I feel the killer must have killed before. To be so violent and cruel it scary.

Imo hr must have looked fPerfectly normal for no witnesses to have noticed, I mean a creepy perverted. Looking man is not easily befriended by two teens with out any one noticing.
He also must have premeditated the attack and carried a back pack or something. To carry his tools gun, ammo, mask ect ect. Drawing the conclusion. That this is a pro serial killer.

I give him the title pro as he has never been caught.

Also read somewhere that it was thought. That he had been in prison due to the fact that items were stuffed down his throat to prevent him from breathing or screaming out? Has any one else heard anything. About. This? If he had been in prison it could not have been for a serious crime or his dna would have been taken.
I concur that it's not surprising for no one have noticed Jay and Tanya. I don't really pay attention to people when I'm taking public transportation, particularly if I'm with other people.

Also, I don't think his DNA would necessarily have been taken if he was incarcerated before the crime occured. This took place before advances in DNA technology.

I feel the killer must have killed before. To be so violent and cruel it scary.

Imo hr must have looked fPerfectly normal for no witnesses to have noticed, I mean a creepy perverted. Looking man is not easily befriended by two teens with out any one noticing.
He also must have premeditated the attack and carried a back pack or something. To carry his tools gun, ammo, mask ect ect. Drawing the conclusion. That this is a pro serial killer.

I give him the title pro as he has never been caught.

Also read somewhere that it was thought. That he had been in prison due to the fact that items were stuffed down his throat to prevent him from breathing or screaming out? Has any one else heard anything. About. This? If he had been in prison it could not have been for a serious crime or his dna would have been taken.

I have also toyed with the idea that the killer either had killed before or after Jay and Tanya. This whole crime reeks of someone who had thought out and planned something like this before .....

its interesting that you mention that the killer must have looked normal because its probably true , a lot of these killers are indeed " normal " looking which explains how they can fool those around them e.g family members , just look at Ridgeway ,Bundy , Yates , Gacy ....these guys looked like someone who you would see around and not think much of if you walked past them ....

apparently the way Jay was killed and items found on him closely matched patterns seen in violence in prison settings, my guess is this killer went to a tougher prison were people who commit violent crimes end up in because those are the sorts of prisons were prison violence is more common. If I were to hazard a guess I would say the killer must have commited some type of rape or violent crime and he got identified by his victim thus when he got out he made sure he would leave no evidence and he would kill his victims hence what happened to Tanya and Jay , and the way he seemed to be leaving a taunt to the cops with regards to the latex gloves indicates this killer clearly seems like he learned from some mistake he did before .......

Bumping this thread up. This case is one of those that I have a hard time forgetting about. I relayed this is another thread, but I saw a zip tie on the ground recently when walking to work. This case was the first thing that came to mind, despite being thousands of miles away from Washington state.

This perp is a sadistic predator. I think it speaks volumes that he chose to kill Jay in such a horrible, methodical way that took a few minutes rather than a gunshot.

Bumping this thread up. This case is one of those that I have a hard time forgetting about. I relayed this is another thread, but I saw a zip tie on the ground recently when walking to work. This case was the first thing that came to mind, despite being thousands of miles away from Washington state.

This perp is a sadistic predator. I think it speaks volumes that he chose to kill Jay in such a horrible, methodical way that took a few minutes rather than a gunshot.

Its funny you mention Jay because I just read a newspaper article from year 2000 which says Jay was also shot to death , its the first time I have heard this bit ..... if this is correct then the killer beat, strangled and shot Jay while Tanya was tied up and probably watching & frightened - I would agree with you the killer was probably sadistic ...


the article that mentions mentions Jay being shot was from the Spokane Spoekesman-Review

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=20001106&id=o2RWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TvIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6918,6335974

Its funny you mention Jay because I just read a newspaper article from year 2000 which says Jay was also shot to death , its the first time I have heard this bit ..... if this is correct then the killer beat, strangled and shot Jay while Tanya was tied up and probably watching & frightened - I would agree with you the killer was probably sadistic ...


the article that mentions mentions Jay being shot was from the Spokane Spoekesman-Review

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1314&dat=20001106&id=o2RWAAAAIBAJ&sjid=TvIDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6918,6335974
Thanks for that article. I seem to remember that in the UM segment, his killing was mentioned as brutal (strangulation, beating) and something that LE saw as indicative of what a prisoner would do to another. They think the perp has been incarcerated because of it. I didn't know that Jay was also shot afterward. :(

I am glad to see that the article confirms that they have the killer's DNA. Hopefully one day they can make a match and figure out who this guy is.

I relayed this is another thread, but I saw a zip tie on the ground recently when walking to work. This case was the first thing that came to mind, despite being thousands of miles away from Washington state.
Count me as another person who thinks of Jay and Tanya every time I see a zip tie. :(

... Re: Christina Gill from Dallas- I did not know her- lived in the apartment complex where they found her car. There were rumors that she dated a neighbor there, and more rumors concerning him - but he was never arrested as far as I know. I just ordered the book with her photo on the cover, as I have long wondered if anyone was ever implicated or charged in her murder. She was a young girl living much like I did in Dallas at the time - it could have happened to me. I hope one day her killer is caught. The only other posting I have ever seen about her is much like this one. It said her family was devastated and had spent over $100,000.00 searching for her. Dallas Morning News Archives shows maybe 7 articles you can buy, but I did not buy them, as none indicates any suspect was ever located.
Christina Gill was a neighbor of mine. She lived with her family two doors down, and she was a friend/ customer at my metaphysical bookstore near Fair Park. Her disappearance and murder was awful! Her parents owned a business and closed it down to search for her killer. I know her father had a suspect, but I don't think he was ever able to prove it tho, and both her parents died without ever knowing what happened to her. But I remember her and I'd still like to know.

I theorized it here years ago but serial killer Charles Sinclair is a definite possibility as a suspect in the murders of Jay and Tanya. I have tried contacting the Sheriff's Offices in their respective cases. I think the killer whomever he was dumped their bodies in different jurisdictions on purposes. Tonya's body was found in Snohomish County, Washington. Jay's body was found in Skagit County, Washington. Just with the lack of communication between different law enforcement agencies and the bureaucratic red tape, I view it as more than just coincidence that they were dumped in different jurisdictions.

I had the same idea as well but I thought I read somewhere (probably here) that the DNA from the crime scenes did not match Sinclair's (who died in prison in 1990).

Robert Yates has been a possible theory also. Haven't seen this case in a while so will have to go back and watch it again. Definitely a sad case.

Is he still alive (Robert Yates)?

Yes he is still on death row in Washington State. He is now 64 years and turns 65 in May. He wont be executed any time soon. Washington Governor Jay Inslee was just re-elected last year and has said he won't allow any executions during his time in office. So not until at least January of 2021.

Robert Yates has been a possible theory also. Haven't seen this case in a while so will have to go back and watch it again. Definitely a sad case.

I may be filing a FOIA to find out exactly what units Yates was in and where he spent all of his 18 years in the Army. The Army is hiding something about Robert Yates.

Christina Gill was a neighbor of mine. She lived with her family two doors down, and she was a friend/ customer at my metaphysical bookstore near Fair Park. Her disappearance and murder was awful! Her parents owned a business and closed it down to search for her killer. I know her father had a suspect, but I don't think he was ever able to prove it tho, and both her parents died without ever knowing what happened to her. But I remember her and I'd still like to know.
When I was a young kid I moved to the Dallas area in 1990. I remember a missing woman case around that time...maybe a year or so later.. that was all over the local news but I don't know it was ever a national story. I can't remember if this is the Christina Gill case? I remember seeing her picture everywhere and thought they later found her body as she was murdered. I often think back to it but the details are foggy so it could be someone else. Now I can't find anything online about it.

Kenneth McDuff was committing serial murders around that time as well in central and north Texas. He also moved to Kansas at one point and was suspected of other murders in the IH 35 corridor.

As for this thread I watched the segment last night on amazon. Still one of the creepiest segments. It looks like they have the DNA profile of the killer? Hopefully they get a match eventually.

When I was a young kid I moved to the Dallas area in 1990. I remember a missing woman case around that time...maybe a year or so later.. that was all over the local news but I don't know it was ever a national story. I can't remember if this is the Christina Gill case? I remember seeing her picture everywhere and thought they later found her body as she was murdered. I often think back to it but the details are foggy so it could be someone else. Now I can't find anything online about it.

Kenneth McDuff was committing serial murders around that time as well in central and north Texas. He also moved to Kansas at one point and was suspected of other murders in the IH 35 corridor.

As for this thread I watched the segment last night on amazon. Still one of the creepiest segments. It looks like they have the DNA profile of the killer? Hopefully they get a match eventually.

If I remember right... wasn't Kenneth McDuff also a person of interest in the Angela Hammond case?

If I remember right... wasn't Kenneth McDuff also a person of interest in the Angela Hammond case?
Yes he was as I recall. He likely has many unsolved disappearances that he is responsible for and he traveled around.

Just saw this again. It's too bad that nothing substantive has shown up in the years since. Am going to go with either Charles Sinclair or Joseph Burgess as others in the thread have already mentioned.

The UM Wiki entry (click here (http://unsolvedmysteries.wikia.com/wiki/Jay_Cook_and_Tanya_Van_Cuylenborg)) says Robert Yates was initially questioned, but cleared.

DNA phenotyping has been used to create a “composite” of the killer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4135510/tanya-van-cuylenborg-jay-cook-cold-case-murder/amp/

The sketch will be released during a press conference on the Snohomish County FB page on April 11 at 11:00 am PST.

https://www.facebook.com/SnoCoSheriff/

DNA phenotyping has been used to create a “composite” of the killer:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/globalnews.ca/news/4135510/tanya-van-cuylenborg-jay-cook-cold-case-murder/amp/

The sketch will be released during a press conference on the Snohomish County FB page on April 11 at 11:00 am PST.

https://www.facebook.com/SnoCoSheriff/

Interesting. I know they did the same thing in the Joyce McLain case and I think the running joke on here (before the suspect's arrest and conviction) was that the killer was Jim from The Office....

I'll be curious to see what the sketch reveals.

Interesting. I know they did the same thing in the Joyce McLain case and I think the running joke on here (before the suspect's arrest and conviction) was that the killer was Jim from The Office....

I'll be curious to see what the sketch reveals.

I think you're referring to Lisa Ziegert, not Joyce McLain.

And while I was originally disillusioned with that DNA computer profile pic, once Gary Schara was arrested, a picture was posted online from his old high school yearbook and he looked A LOT like that DNA pic. So I was pretty amazed.

Fingers crossed that THIS cold case can get a similar conclusion.

I think you're referring to Lisa Ziegert, not Joyce McLain.

And while I was originally disillusioned with that DNA computer profile pic, once Gary Schara was arrested, a picture was posted online from his old high school yearbook and he looked A LOT like that DNA pic. So I was pretty amazed.

Fingers crossed that THIS cold case can get a similar conclusion.

I am mixing cases up. Thank you for keeping my head straight. I'm not sure why I assumed Joyce (probably because she's been in the news so much) but I remember noticing a similarity between the actual high school pic of the suspect and the DNA generated profile.

It'll be interesting to see what happens in 90 minutes.

https://www.ctvnews.ca/polopoly_fs/1.3880780.1523469617!/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/landscape_620/image.jpg

https://vancouverisland.ctvnews.ca/suspect-image-created-from-dna-unveiled-in-1987-murders-of-victoria-couple-1.3880746

Here are pics of the suspects previously mentioned in this thread. I guess they’re all ruled out by DNA though.

https://imgur.com/a/oNwAj

Case has been solved:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=371978