Was this case solved and was she involved?

I've never seen anywhere where Mafous Huck was captured, I certainly hope he was. It will probably be pretty tough though as they think he's in Bangladesh but of course not impossible. I think she knew more than she was letting on. She refused a polygraph (which I know is her right to do) but it would have been basic enough questions. I really didn't buy her tears on the segment and thought it was just a ploy to make herself look like the victim. Trying to make everyone look ill on Todd's family and think "poor Christie". :mad:

I've never seen anywhere where Mafous Huck was captured, I certainly hope he was. It will probably be pretty tough though as they think he's in Bangladesh but of course not impossible. I think she knew more than she was letting on. She refused a polygraph (which I know is her right to do) but it would have been basic enough questions. I really didn't buy her tears on the segment and thought it was just a ploy to make herself look like the victim. Trying to make everyone look ill on Todd's family and think "poor Christie". :mad:More excellent insight from crystaldawn.

In cases like this, submission to a professionally-administered polygraph examination and Brain Fingerprinting session ought to be compulsory. While not perfect, polygraph tests are, for the most part, phenomenally accurate (http://www.polygraph.com.au/faq_accuracy.asp):

In the past 75 years, over 250 studies have been conducted on the validity, accuracy and reliability of polygraph testing (American Polygraph Association 1996 Polygraph Issues & Answers). Based on twelve separate studies involving 2,174 real cases since 1980, evidence suggests that qualified field polygraph examiners are 98% accurate in their overall decisions (Ansley, N. 1990 The validity and reliability of polygraph decisions in real cases). This level of confidence is well within the guidelines for scientific measurements in other fields.

I too didn't buy Christie's crocodile tears.

What I find unusual is why would she feel the need to go home at 3 in the morning thinking that if she didnt her dad would be mad. I could see if it was 10 or 11 but at 3 in the morning its not worth the effort.

What I find unusual is why would she feel the need to go home at 3 in the morning thinking that if she didnt her dad would be mad. I could see if it was 10 or 11 but at 3 in the morning its not worth the effort.


I don't know... depends on the parent. With my mom, there's TOTALLY a difference. :)

she was probably involved, and she seemed like abit of a whore.

I posted this on IMDB:

I think that Christy Mutzfeld should at least take a polygraph, why wouldn't she if she didn't have anything to hide? And how could Mafous Huck have travelled back into the US without being redflagged? That doesn't make sense to me. The police should have checked the phone records at Todd Kelly's house to see if Mafous called someone to help him clean-up and get back home within 60-90 minutes. I believe that it would take probably 30-60 minutes to clean-up the crime scene alone, then another 120-150 minutes to walk back the 10 miles. (It took him 11pm-1am to walk to Todd's house) So he had to have gotten help with the crime scene clean-up and/or a ride home from a friend. I don't believe Christy would have helped him under duress and not have come forward about it once she was safely out of danger unless Mafous threatened her family. I'm also wondering why Mafous didn't take the body away from the house with the sheets and the towels or whatever was used to clean-up. It seems illogical that he would leave behind the body and the cigarette butts.

So the deal with the cigarette butts is that Mafouse was smoking and watching them through the window? I am still bothered with why Christie would leave to go home at 3 in the morning only to come back a few hours later.

Yeah, I wondered about that also. Why wouldn't she just stay overnight with Todd? Unless.... Mafous interrupted them in bed, killed Todd, scared Christy into helping him wrap Todd's body up to drag it into the living room and clean up the bedroom. Then she drove Mafous home where he called her house so that it would move the suspicion away from her. The thing that I don't get was why didn't they dispose of Todd's body and if she was under duress, why didn't she tell the cops what really happened? Unless she was scared for her and her family's safety (Maybe Mafous threatened them). I know that when I saw the reenactment of this scenario, that after Todd was killed in bed, Mafous scared the crap out of me and I'm sure Christy was completely frightened. I wonder how long after the murder did Mafous stick around town before fleeing.

I don't think she had anything to do with it--either the murder itself or the "clean up". The only think I find ODD is why she would drop Todd off at 3am, only to return 4 hours or so later. Why not just stay there?

Well, perhaps she had to shower, or change clothes, or eat, or whatever. I've hung out with friends numerous times and went home, only for an hour or so, just to eat, relax, etc. Perhaps she hadn't been home in a day or so. Who knows?

Mafoos(sp?) acted alone. Todd's father is obviously bitter at Christie, since well, the guy she dated killed his son. It's all HER fault, and since she's around and Mafoos isn't, she takes the blame. If I were her, I'd refuse a polygraph too. SUre, she might pass, but what if she fails?

If she passes, everything's great. If she fails, no matter what, she won't be trusted. Wasn't there one segment where an attorney said he would never let a client take a polygraph? I agree--even if they pass, there are ways to "beat" the test.

Well, it seems Lifetime believes we need to see this segment again today! Along with the "Pierre April" story. I guess they really want to solve this case!

You do bring up some interesting points. I kind of had the impression that the father was blaming her because if it wasn't for Christy, her son would still be alive.

I still remember the case also being profiled on AMW. This was not too long after UM originally featured the case. Some of my memories about the AMW segment are sketchy, but it was somewhat different from the UM segment. A difference was that (at least to my recollection) the AMW segment didn't have Todd's father or any of his other loved ones blaming Christy.

Was it possible for Mafous to see everything clearly that was happening through the window? I kind of have doubts Mafous could have watched Christie and Todd in bed for an extended length of time that night without having an instant rage build up. If Mafous arrived not long after Christie arrived this would indicate he saw them before ending up in bed so he would have seen everything and in my opinion would have broke into the house shortly after and quickly made his way to the room. If this is how it happened Christie and Todd would not had been in bed very long at all before being interrupted by Mafous. In this case you would think Christie would have helped Mafous in some way with clean up or transportation. Would Christie had gotten dressed quickly in this case and importantly if anyone was up at her house when she arrived home was there anything unusual with her clothes that would have indicated she quickly got dressed with no attention to details? Another possibility is Mafous arrived much later and saw Christie and Todd just before getting out of bed which would mean they were not interrupted and likely left where Mafous was able to get in and when Christie drpped Todd off he was murdered and Christie not there.

Yes its hard to say how long Mafous was there. On one hand he could have seen them in bed and just waited until Todd was there alone but on the other hand if Todd had a dog outside (as Christi said) then surely he would have alerted Todd to someone being out there. Christi does say that she wasn't there during the murder, right? I think Mafous didn't want to kill Christi because he figured once Todd was out of the picture Christi would get back with him.

What I don't understand is WHY Mafous bothered to clean up the crime scene? Did he not think police would realize that Todd had 6 stab wounds in him?? One theory might be that Mafous and Todd struggled (Todd did seem to be a big guy) and maybe some of Mafous Huck's blood was shed as well so he wanted to clean up all evidence that would connect him to the crime scene. Any theories on why the clean up was necessary?

Yes its hard to say how long Mafous was there. On one hand he could have seen them in bed and just waited until Todd was there alone but on the other hand if Todd had a dog outside (as Christi said) then surely he would have alerted Todd to someone being out there. Christi does say that she wasn't there during the murder, right? I think Mafous didn't want to kill Christi because he figured once Todd was out of the picture Christi would get back with him.

What I don't understand is WHY Mafous bothered to clean up the crime scene? Did he not think police would realize that Todd had 6 stab wounds in him?? One theory might be that Mafous and Todd struggled (Todd did seem to be a big guy) and maybe some of Mafous Huck's blood was shed as well so he wanted to clean up all evidence that would connect him to the crime scene. Any theories on why the clean up was necessary?

I believe Mafous was hanging around outside for a little while (maybe 30-60 minutes) because of the cigarette butts found next to the tree. This depends on how many cigarette butts and how badly Mafous was chain-smoking them. Also, Todd says that the dog is tied up around the backside of the house and it looked as if Mafous was standing next to a tree on the front side of the house in the reenactment. I believe that Mafous tried to clean-up and wanted to take Todd's body away in Todd's car, but didn't plan on Todd's car not working which was speculated by the policeman on that segment. What I'm wondering was this, why did Mafous walk 10 miles to the murder scene and why was he barefoot? Maybe he was expecting to steal Todd's vehicle after the murder to dispose of Todd's body and to be able to flee undetected, but why walk around barefoot? That part to me was strange. Also, how did Mafous dispose of the sheets and whatever he used to clean-up the crime scene?

All parents are different. Some more liberal than others. She wasn't exactly a "little kid" anymore. She was going on her second year of college so she was probably about 19-20. Maybe her parents didn't mind her spending a day and night or two with Todd. She said she hadn't been home in a while. Crazy as it sounds she decided to go home late at night. Probably so her parents would find her there in the morning. When Mafoos(sp?) showed up bright and early around 7, she was bothered by the way he told her to "have a happy life." She may have felt uneasy by this and wanted to run back to Todd to talk to him and be comforted. She couldn't sleep anymore so she said to hell with it. Christie got up and left, only to find Todd dead.

I have no explination for why she said she didn't see Todd's body right away. Unless she came in through a back door? Yes I have a very vivid imagination.

I did notice at the end of the segment that RS gave more information about Mafoos. He gave a description of his height and where he could possibly be, which was Boston. I've seen the story many times but that is the first time I heard about him being back in the states. Also, there is a noticible difference in Stack's voice at the end. Just go look... :)

http://www.indianasmostwanted.com/warrant/76.92-003168

I knew Todd and had been in the house where he was killed only a week earlier. First off, this was a lake cottage so it wasn't very big. There is no way Christie could have walked in and not see Todd on the floor. From where the cigarette butts were found the bedroom was on the opposite side of the house. The last I heard of Christie she had moved to Florida. Mahfuz Huq has not been found.

Yeah Mafous he did it. Knowing our country it wouldnt surprise me if he is in this country running around uncaptured. Either that or he went back to Bangladesh. Yeah Christie I didnt buy her little crying act and blaming Todd's parents for being too tough on her. I dont think she actually killed him but I do think she helped Mafous clean up and I think she helped with some of the other stuff there. I also think she gave him Mafous a ride home. She most certainly knew more than what she was telling and her story really did not make sense at times. Cant believe they never caught Mafous. Christie in Florida huh? Someday I hope she finds it in herself to actually tell the whole truth with this. Like I said I dont think she killed Todd or even knew Mafous was going to kill him. But I do think probably out of fear she helped him. But it does make me wonder if it was out of fear that she helped him clean up why didnt she just say that? Why cover it up? A lot of questions and not a whole lot of answers here.

Were Christie and Todd having problems because of him wanting to get married?

I believe the first time they broke up it was because Todd wanted to get married and Christi didn't. The second time around all seemed to be well between them before Todd was killed. Although I don't believe Christi helped to murder him I don't necessarily believe all of her story of that night either.

While I don't think Christie helped plot Todd's murder, I do feel that she played a bigger role in the events of the evening than she tried to originally claim. I think I may have said this before, but I am of the belief that she helped Mafous clean up the crime scene, as it was speculated on UM. To me, it's the only explanation that's logical.

Certainly a strange case, her story does not really add up- how would the guy have got access to Todd's house without breaking in which Todd would have noticed? how did she not notice the body right away? was anybody else perturbed that according to her Mafous just turned up in her bedroom while she was asleep the following morning? now she had split up from him hadn't she so how did he gain access to her house or are we to believe that everybody just leaves their houses unlocked? my guess is she had not split up with Mafous but was seeing both of them and Mafous had a possesive personality which led him to murder Todd but how did he gain access? did she want out of both relationships and leave the door open for him to do away with Todd and then convince Mafous to flee? would he have done so having just killed someone for the woman he loved or did he pick the lock and surprise them and then she just went along with his wishes and if so then why is she still protecting him?

If I remember correctly Christie while in bed said she heard a noise but Todd told her something about a dog outside so she let the noise deal go. A while later she said she had to go home and get a shower and also to avoid problems with her parents but she agreed to take Todd to get a drink since his car was not working. The next morning Mafous appears but lets that go and ends up back at Todds since the night before she promised she would be back. Seems like a strange case.

I still maintain that Christie is hiding something.

Yeah, I think Christie knows more than she is telling. At this point, I don't think Christie had a part in Todd's murder as I think she had no idea Mafous was going to murder Todd, but I do think she assisted in the clean-up. As for why she doesn't admit it, I would imagine that maybe she thinks she is going to be considered the main suspect.

As for Mafoos and his 5 a.m. visit to her house, I don't know if that actually happened. I'm kind of thinking that Mafoos wanted and/or expected Christie to run off with him to wherever he went to but Christie refused. Had Christie run off with him, then I would be inclined to believe she had a part in the murder as well.

was anybody else perturbed that according to her Mafous just turned up in her bedroom while she was asleep the following morning?

I just saw this segment yesterday and that was one part of the story that especially struck me as odd. Presumably, this young man would have had to be let into the house by her parents who would have had to allow him access to her bedroom at that early hour. That just seems very strange to me.

I think Christie refusing the polygraph test says it all.

I think Christie refusing the polygraph test says it all.

No one talks to Billy Idol that way.

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I sometimes wonder if Mahfuz had been at the scene at all. I mean, if he was that jealous, I would think he would have tried to kidnap or kill Christie. I wonder if Christie was responsible, and tried to frame Mahfuz because he would have been a logical subject.

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I sometimes wonder if Mahfuz had been at the scene at all. I mean, if he was that jealous, I would think he would have tried to kidnap or kill Christie. I wonder if Christie was responsible, and tried to frame Mahfuz because he would have been a logical subject.
Well witnesses claim to see him walking barefoot towards Todd's house and several cigarette butts (the kind Mafous smoked) were found behind a tree at Todd's where he could hide and lie in wait to attack Todd. Christie doesn't strike me as particularly intelligent based upon her interview, certainly not enough to murder Todd and cover it to look like Mafous did it. And if Mafous was totally innocent, why would he flee? I think Christie had some part in it probably out of fear for what Mafous would do to her if she didn't help him with Todd's body. They cleaned up the scene and tried to remove the body, but it probably wouldn't fit in her car (I think it was a little VW bug, if I'm not mistaken), and Todd's car wouldn't start or run, so they had to leave it behind, and she probably dropped Mafous off, scared for her safety, and thinking that she could be held responsible if she came clean to the cops. That's just what I thought happened based upon the facts presented in the UM segment.

It's another case of a person worried more about clearing their own name than trying to find the responsible parties for the crime. Christie didn't seem that interested in finding Huq (sorry - I think I'm butchering both parts of his name), just more interested in declaring her innocence.

I'm still not sure about the roles in this one. Didn't Mahfuz and Todd have a civil conversation very shortly before the murder? I kind of get the feeling that Christie had more motive than Mahfuz. Maybe there was an argument between the three of them.

MissFit,

For some reason, I had never thought of it as being a frame up before.

Yeah, Christy is dumber than a box of rocks, but I can see her stealing the contents of Mafuz's ashtray to dump by the tree to make it look like he stood there smoking.

Todd's friend posted earlier that the tree was on one side of the house and the bedroom was on the opposite side. And the dog was supposed to be tied up in back. If Mafuz was never there, but just his cigarette butts were dumped, that would explain why the dog was never barking to alert Todd to the danger.

It would also explain the 10 mile barefoot walk. It never happened. Even if there was a witness who saw him, how well did the witness know Mafuz? Was he able to see that he was barefoot in the dark? Is he 100% sure that it was even Mafuz? Look how many eye witnesses have been on UM that have swore up and down that they saw a person, when later it was found to have been impossible (lil miss comes to mind).

So that's why there was clean up of the scene, but the body was left behind. She couldn't remove the body by herself, but she could get rid of the materials she used to clean up the murder scene.

Are the cigarette butts the only "proof" that Mafuz was ever at Tim's house? Did they get his fingerprints on the door or anything? I really need to see thing segment again...

I always thought the walking 10 miles barefoot was a bunch of hogwash. I have always thought that Christie knew alot more then what she said. I think there is a very good chance she was some way involved with Todd's death.

For me, the whole point of Mahfuz (am I spelling this correctly?) killing Todd would be to get Christie back. But if he was really in a jealous rage, I think she would have been harmed too - either killed, injured, or kidnapped. I really doubt that she would have just been left behind when Mahfuz fled.

I think Todd's parents know something's up with her, and that's why they didn't want her anywhere near the funeral. There's much more to this story.

Actually I disagree, I think Mafous was the one that killed Todd. He was there. His brand of cigarettes were scattered all over the outside of the house as he had been chain smoking and clearly was nervous pacing outside before going into the house and attacking Todd. Mafous clearly was a jilted lover. Christy dumped him to go back to Todd and Mafous through some sort of misguided grudge killed Todd. Todd was his target because he was angry at Todd, he hated Todd, it was a personal killing. He blamed Todd for 'taking away' Christie from him.

I do however believe that Mafous did threaten Christie. He probably told her that it was her word against his and that if they got in trouble that Mafus would tell the cops that Christie killed Todd and that he just helped her clean it up. He probably told her that the cops would view both of them guilty of murder because they both were there. To be honest Christie does not exactly seem to be the smartest chip off the block and probably bought Mafus's bull, hook, line and sinker. Mafus is still wanted for murder in Indiana. My guess is he will probably never be caught. He probably does not even gives it a 2nd thought. He probably thinks because so many years have passed that the cops are not looking for him anymore and that he will not be caught. He probably did travel back to Bangladesh at least initially but it would not surprise me if he is back here. His family is probably helping him.

He'll never be caught if he's in Bangladesh. I doubt someone from Small Town, Indiana is going to search for him there. But if he fled, then what would Christie have to fear? I mean, what's Mahfuz going to do to her now? I think she's a heck of a lot more guilty, because she could have come forward with information and she hasn't.

Maybe Mahfuz being out there still is enough to scare her? I don't know. If he had nothing to do with it, then why would he flee before the police even had a chance to speak to him to rule him out as a suspect?

I always got the impression that Todd's family was not too happy that Todd was serious with Christie at such a young age and maybe were not too fond of Christie as I am sure they (Todd's parents) knew she was seeing another guy.

How could they ban her from the funeral? Ask her not to come? Have a guard at the door?

As for Christie's involvement....I just don't see it. But it has been a while since I have seen the episode.

I always got the impression that Todd's family was not too happy that Todd was serious with Christie at such a young age and maybe were not too fond of Christie as I am sure they (Todd's parents) knew she was seeing another guy.

How could they ban her from the funeral? Ask her not to come? Have a guard at the door?

As for Christie's involvement....I just don't see it. But it has been a while since I have seen the episode.

I think the family just didn't like her and since it was Christie's ex who killed Todd they didn't like her more. I really felt sorry for her. I really don't think she was involved at all.

I've always been torn on this case. It's probably a little bit of both sides being right and wrong. Christie might not be totally honest, although it could've been out of being afraid of Mafous (personally I think he's guilty) or something else the segment left out that we don't know about her. Maybe she was ashamed of being in a love triangle or something, people usually have reasons for feeling a certain way.

I have to be honest, and I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but... Todd's dad came across as kind of a jerk to me. Not mean per se, but he seemed more concerned with proving Christie wrong than with directly caring about Todd. Then again, the segment probably doesn't show everyone's full interviews. It could be that he didn't like her because she cheated on Todd with Mafous (initially)... especially since he was really in love with her from how the segment portrayed it.

I do think it's possible she helped him clean up the crime scene out of being fearful of what he'd do to her (I do think Todd's dad is right about Mafous not being able to move Todd by himself and get back home in the time frame)

I've always been torn on this case. It's probably a little bit of both sides being right and wrong. Christie might not be totally honest, although it could've been out of being afraid of Mafous (personally I think he's guilty) or something else the segment left out that we don't know about her. Maybe she was ashamed of being in a love triangle or something, people usually have reasons for feeling a certain way.

I have to be honest, and I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but... Todd's dad came across as kind of a jerk to me. Not mean per se, but he seemed more concerned with proving Christie wrong than with directly caring about Todd. Then again, the segment probably doesn't show everyone's full interviews. It could be that he didn't like her because she cheated on Todd with Mafous (initially)... especially since he was really in love with her from how the segment portrayed it.

I do think it's possible she helped him clean up the crime scene out of being fearful of what he'd do to her (I do think Todd's dad is right about Mafous not being able to move Todd by himself and get back home in the time frame)

I agree. I don't think she planned Todd's murder or anything like that, but Huck (sic) seemed like a few fries short of a happy meal. I think he convinced her to help him initially by scaring the crap out of her, threatening her family and/or convincing her that she would be blamed for the crime.

If Huck was back in the US now it wouldn't surprise me. If he is, maybe Christi is still scared s***less of him. Who knows.

Todd's dad came across as kind of a jerk to me. Not mean per se, but he seemed more concerned with proving Christie wrong than with directly caring about Todd. I agree. The dad is obviously hurting as his son was murdered but he seemed to be placing a lot of anger and energy towards Christie and I am not sure that it was justified.

I do wonder a lot about how Todd's family feels about Christie today.

I think the family just didn't like her.

But that begs the question, "Why didn't they like her?" Was it that she was not too intelligent? Or that they found some of her mannerisms annoying? Or maybe they didn't like her because she was conniving, manipulative, and dating two guys at the same for self-serving reasons and probably cuddling up to one now and the other depending on which one she could gain more from at the time?

In these cases, usually when the parents don't like the bf or gf very much, it is because they are shady individuals, not because they have a gap between their front teeth.

As for how Todd's dad comes off, doesn't seem to like Christie, and is very angry and acts like he is more out to get Christie than the "real" killer, check out any previous UM segment where parents suspected the ex-bf/gf or ex-spouse of either committing the murder or knowing more about it than they claim. Do they seem any angrier our any more out to get the ex? A natural reaction, I would say.

But that begs the question, "Why didn't they like her?"

1. I think it has to do with Christines promiscuity or potential promiscuity. I think the parents felt she was "trash"

2. The fact that Mafuz Huck was here boyfriend probably made her unpopular amongst a lot of people.

Course, none of that means that she deserves to spend time in jail if she is innocent.

Christine's story does not make sense. She abbetted in this crime somehow.

I have to be honest, and I hope this doesn't offend anyone, but... Todd's dad came across as kind of a jerk to me. Not mean per se, but he seemed more concerned with proving Christie wrong than with directly caring about Todd. Then again, the segment probably doesn't show everyone's full interviews. It could be that he didn't like her because she cheated on Todd with Mafous (initially)... especially since he was really in love with her from how the segment portrayed it.

Actually, according to the segment, Christie started dating Mafous after she and Todd had broken up and she was away at college. Todd wanted to marry her right out of high school and she said she wasn't ready at that age. She rekindled her romance with Todd towards the end of her relationship with Mafous so it was Mafous she was actually cheating on. Not the other way around.

I don't think she had anything to do with the murder other than giving Mafous a ride home after he probably threatened her. That may be why she refused to take a polygraph test.

I agree that Todd's dad came across like a jerk in the segment. But I guess that can be expected when a parent loses a child. His anger may stem from the fact that he probably thinks Christie knows where Mafous is hiding out or where he went immediately after the murder and she isn't saying anything. But that's just a guess.

The thing with Mafous is that he is 5'10" and 160lbs. correct? In the pictures of him he is not broad shouldered. He has a small frame. Todd looked to be of a solid proportion. Too big for a SINGLE man on his own to carry him. If Mafous grabs his legs and Christie his arms then that scenario is possible.

Either way she isn't telling the entire truth. This explains the refusal to take a polygraph. I'll throw another name out here of a suspect refusing to take a polygraph - Mike Morris. We all know what we think of him. If I were at the center of a brutal killing and had the opportunity to clear my name and grab some credibility I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Christie didn't, and to me that is an epic fail.

Also if she left Todd's at 3am and returned at 7am that is very little sleep. Why return to his house 4 hours later? Why? Sleep in for crying out loud. Just strange, Christie

Christie's story has enough inconsistencies that I do think it possible she had a larger role in the murder then she claims.

According to her: she and Todd were in bed between 11pm and 1am and she "heard noises" during this time. The noises were not investigated.

At 230a, she and Todd drove into town for something to eat. This is the only part of her story that is independently verifiable and presumably, was verified. She claims to have dropped Todd off at 3am and gone home at that point.

Todd was killed around 315am (I am suspicious of such an exact time, honestly), with blood evidence pointing to the bedroom as the place of attack (pre-luminol, it is clear that full blood evidence was not had, so it's impossible to determine this with absolute certainty). The body was moved into the living room and the scene cleaned; there is some question as to whether it would have been possible for one person could have moved it alone.

The case against Mahfuz Huq, honestly, does not seem incredibly strong and much rests on how much weight you place on Christie’s story. Between 11pm and 1am, Mahfuz was allegedly seen by two witnesses walking along the road towards the direction of Todd’s house. We are given no information as to the credibility of these witnesses or any more specific timing.

Christie claims Mahfuz called her about 430am from his parents’ house. This call should be able to be verified as to the time, if not content. Presuming the time of death is correct, this would give Mahfuz a little more than an hour to murder Todd, move his body, clean the scene fairly well, and walk ten miles home. Not impossible, certainty, but a tight time-line.

The only other physical evidence mentioned in the segment linking Mahfuz to the crime were “several” cigarette butts in Todd’s yard supposedly from Mahfuz’s favorite brand. Pre-DNA, they could not be conclusively linked to Mahfuz and may or may not still exist to be tested.

There is no doubt Mahfuz had a motive, but, frankly, I could buy Christie being the killer. If Mahfuz is ever captured, I think the State will have a tough time proving their case, unless (and, of course, it wouldn’t be shocking, there is much UM held back).

Here is my question. Why in the world would you date a guy (Mafous) who stole $100,000 of jewellry from his own aunt! That alone gives very little credibility to not only our boy Mafous but Christie as well

The thing with Mafous is that he is 5'10" and 160lbs. correct? In the pictures of him he is not broad shouldered. He has a small frame. Todd looked to be of a solid proportion. Too big for a SINGLE man on his own to carry him. If Mafous grabs his legs and Christie his arms then that scenario is possible.

Either way she isn't telling the entire truth. This explains the refusal to take a polygraph. I'll throw another name out here of a suspect refusing to take a polygraph - Mike Morris. We all know what we think of him. If I were at the center of a brutal killing and had the opportunity to clear my name and grab some credibility I wouldn't hesitate to do so. Christie didn't, and to me that is an epic fail.

Also if she left Todd's at 3am and returned at 7am that is very little sleep. Why return to his house 4 hours later? Why? Sleep in for crying out loud. Just strange, Christie


This has always bothered me too. Why go home at 3AM only to return at 7AM??? She said her father would be mad if she did not come home. Her father was probably asleep most if not all of this time. That makes no sense.

Here is my question. Why in the world would you date a guy (Mafous) who stole $100,000 of jewellry from his own aunt! That alone gives very little credibility to not only our boy Mafous but Christie as well

It doesn't go to her credibility, just her poor taste in men. Mahfuz claimed to her that "it was all his cousin's fault." She claimed to believe this; so at best, she's naive and at worst, she's lying and enjoyed dating the "bad boy."

Christie does come off incredibly bad in the segment: dumb, promiscuous, and self-centered.

It doesn't go to her credibility, just her poor taste in men. Mahfuz claimed to her that "it was all his cousin's fault." She claimed to believe this; so at best, she's naive and at worst, she's lying and enjoyed dating the "bad boy."

Christie does come off incredibly bad in the segment: dumb, promiscuous, and self-centered.

Well you are probably right. She is not the first or the last girl to pick the jerks. But it is one thing to pick a bad apple (bad boy) and another thing to rub shoulders with serious criminals. Maybe Christie does fall into the category you described but it doesn't help her out at all

She is not the first or the last girl to pick the jerks. But it is one thing to pick a bad apple (bad boy) and another thing to rub shoulders with serious criminals.

This has compelled me to comment on the matter. Regardless of one's feelings about Christie (positive or negative), there is at least one thing that I find difficult to dispute: If she hadn't broken up with Todd Kelly in the first place, Todd would still be alive.

While reuniting with a former sweetheart can sometimes be a good thing, you have to be very careful as to how you go about doing that. I mean, the Todd Kelly murder case is a tragic example of how parting ways with a sweetheart can sometimes come back to haunt you.

Actually, according to the segment, Christie started dating Mafous after she and Todd had broken up and she was away at college. Todd wanted to marry her right out of high school and she said she wasn't ready at that age. She rekindled her romance with Todd towards the end of her relationship with Mafous so it was Mafous she was actually cheating on. Not the other way around.

I don't think she had anything to do with the murder other than giving Mafous a ride home after he probably threatened her. That may be why she refused to take a polygraph test.

I agree that Todd's dad came across like a jerk in the segment. But I guess that can be expected when a parent loses a child. His anger may stem from the fact that he probably thinks Christie knows where Mafous is hiding out or where he went immediately after the murder and she isn't saying anything. But that's just a guess.

Hey, it's been a couple months since I've posted (just catching up now :) ), but you're right, I sometimes forget she got back with Todd after it didn't work out with Mafous.

Honestly to me Christie seemed like one of those 80s Valley Girl chicks...maybe kinda into partying or not that deep, but likable, sweet and certainly not capable of anything criminal. I mean, she broke it off with Mafous after he and his buddies got arrested, and he became possessive.

Personally I think Mafous threatened her into helping him clean up the crime scene or at least giving him a ride afterwards. The reason she might've refused to take a polygraph was that (in her mind) if she confessed that, they might've leaned on her too hard and thought she killed Todd. She probably thought she was protecting herself - heck, both from the police and Mafous!

Of course I understand both sides of the issue. It did make her look guilty in a sense, but we also have to look at things from their perspective to understand their way of thinking. I'm not saying she's a "dumb blonde" or anything, but maybe it just didn't cross her mind. She did seem genuinely hurt and sorry in the interview to me.

Yeah, I admit the thing with going home for a couple hours does sound a little weird. She was young, butl an adult (Todd was 19 in 1989, so she was probably the same age)... maybe her parents were old fashioned or still treated her like a kid, who knows.

I think my main beef with Vernon Kelly isn't so much that he was deadlocked on Christie's guilt. It's more that he didn't come across like a father who'se son was murdered (either by means of showing emotion and/or anger)... I can't quite explain it, but he talked like a hardened police investigator or something and didn't even seem to personalize anything about Todd, at least in the parts they showed. Then again, him being angry that his son was murdered is very understandable. Maybe he thought "if this girl hadn't broken up with my son, he'd still be alive", which is probably true, sadly.

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this case is an example of this boards inhabitants overthinking the issue. i think christie was naive and didnt think much would happen as a result of dating 2 guys at the same time, or whatever she was doing.

She and todd were lying in bed, when somone busts into the room and murders he boyfriend. that would frighten and scare the hell out of anyone. what could she do? She couldnt outrun mahfouz, and she was cornered, she was most likely nude, and in bed, and caught of guard.

what could she do? While not alerting police of your involvement in the case, in a coverup is a sin as far as im concerned, she most likely felt she would be killed if she didnt assist mahfouz clean up the scene.

Again, this isnt the wackers or some other case where mystery or questions exist. its straight forward.

she had 2 choices. one, she could freak out and start trying to flee the room and trying to escape, thus showing mahfouz she didnt like him anymore, and she could seriously risk getting butchered along with todd. again, what physical defense did she pose to mahfouz, who had a knife and could harm her?

Or she could go along with mahfouz, maybe tell him she loved him and not todd, after the murder, and to go along with the cleaning up and all that if for no other reason than she was trapped in a house all alone with a man who had murdered her boyfriend and by all evidence could do the same to her.

again, i dont really blame her for her actions post murder, she obviously cleaned up the scene to avoid being murdered, but again, to not immediately the next day, come out and say thats what happened, is unforgivable

i also dont think an overt threat had to have transpired between mahfouz and christie after the murder for her to help him. the situation itself was the motivation to help. She didnt want to be murdered. again, you all are overthinking this...

First of all...I know the guy, he was my favorite math teacher in middle school and his recent extradition caught everyone by surprise.
During one class, I remember him telling me never to smoke because the only reason he started was because of a girl (where he is undoubtedly referring to Christie)
Also:

where the key word is AFTER. It seems like to me that he changed his way of living after meeting Christie or she controlled him well enough to do what she wanted. She might not have been so dumb after all.

new thread: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?p=4521825
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Are you seriously going there? Look, I know it has to hurt finding out that someone you knew and liked did something so horrible, cruel and cowardly. But let's not sugarcoat this. This is murder we're talking about here.

You're basically stating that every bad thing Huq did was because of Christie. You're even going so far as to guess that he started smoking because of her. Even if Christie was the most controlling girlfriend that ever lived, that's no excuse. Huq still pulled out a knife and ended a human life. And he should have to suffer the consequences for that whether he was your favorite teacher or not.

Ok, here is my input about going home at 3 as opposed to staying the night. If I had gone home at 3 at that age there would've been trouble with my parents, but not as much as if I had been out all night. - go home at 3 you are late getting home. Go home at 7 you have stayed out all night. you are in bigger trouble for staying out all night than for coming home late. Same as when my daughter was that age. Some of you might not see a difference, but I do/did.

I agree that Christy is suspicious and knows more than she is telling. But that's not really the point I wanted to make. I had a comment to make about polygraphs.

I was watching a special on Gary Ridgeway the other night (Green River Killer). The segment said that the police had been suspicious of Ridgeway many years before he was finally caught. They actually picked him up and brought him in for questioning all the way back in the 1980's. During this interview they cleared him. Why? Mainly because he passed a polygraph! Now we know that Ridgeway was guilty all along, and it makes one wonder if the polygraph test is partly responsible for more deaths! If the polygraph had been accurate, the police may have looked at him much more seriously and caught him before he killed a lot of other women.

Several spies that were spying for the Soviets passed polygraphs given by Americans. The husband of one of BTK's victims FAILED a polygraph placing him under a cloud of suspicion for killing his wife. BTK later confessed and it turns out the husband had nothing whatsoever to do with it.

Moral of the story: most serious scientists in human behavior (psychologists) do not believe in polygraphs. There have been numerous studies done on polygraphs and the results are not favorable. The only people who claim polygraphs are accurate are those people whose profession it is to administer them, and those people cannot be considered objective for obvious reasons.

I don't blame anyone who is a person of interest in an investigation for refusing a polygraph. It's the right thing to do. What if you're innocent and you fail it? Your life will become hell all because of pseudoscience.

I'm wondering why she would refuse to take a polygraph. No one suspected her, what harm would it have done? That makes me suspicious of her.

I don't blame anyone who is a person of interest in an investigation for refusing a polygraph. It's the right thing to do. What if you're innocent and you fail it? Your life will become hell all because of pseudoscience

I agree - I would never submit to a polygraph. KNowing me I woiuld get nervous and sweaty and fail the darn thing!! (Assuming I was innocent!!)

I think Christie refusing the polygraph test says it all.


Are polygraph test even allowed in court rooms?? I asked because I remember when dad was a State Trooper, he said they were considered a risk in courts because of accuracy...has that changed?? Maybe it's different by state? I would refused one too. First thing they say is relax :O Have you met me? Relax is something I can never ever do lol I would soooo fail one!!

I'm frustrated that since Huq's arrest, there has been zero news coverage about this. Surely a trial has to be incoming. Or a plea.

Are polygraph test even allowed in court rooms?? I asked because I remember when dad was a State Trooper, he said they were considered a risk in courts because of accuracy...has that changed?? Maybe it's different by state? I would refused one too. First thing they say is relax :O Have you met me? Relax is something I can never ever do lol I would soooo fail one!!

In almost everything I've read, polygraphs aren't allowed in court but are used as an investigative tool by police, to help determine who might be a suspect or know something about a case.

BUT.... I thought I read that one or two states in the US did allow polygraph results in court in certain circumstances. Does anyone else know the details on this?

I always felt she knew more than she let on but that's just a theory.

I always felt she knew more than she let on but that's just a theory.


I think its obvious what happened. He busted in and killed that guy. And she was scared. She had two options-1 start screaming and freaking out and trying to leave, which most likely would result in her getting killed too. or 2, she could go along with it, help him with the body and the coverup, and thus be spared.

I think she acted according to that moment and her instincts and what would maximize her survival.

I think its obvious what happened. He busted in and killed that guy. And she was scared. She had two options-1 start screaming and freaking out and trying to leave, which most likely would result in her getting killed too. or 2, she could go along with it, help him with the body and the coverup, and thus be spared.

I think she acted according to that moment and her instincts and what would maximize her survival.

I think so too. And I agree in full on your earlier post, re: the straight forward nature of this case.

There have been some interesting attitudes expressed in this thread. The notion that Christie is responsible in some way for Todd's death is flat-out wrong. Sorry. Regardless of the decisions she made in her personal life, she did not force Mahfuz Huq into Todd's cabin that night. Huq was and is a big boy. He was and is fully capable making choices not contingent on moves in Christie's love life. Christie isn't culpable because she broke up with Kelly--Mahfuz Huq is the only one who decided he had the right to end another human being's life, and THAT, and that alone, is why Todd Kelly isn't alive today.

I think that IF Christie did anything wrong, she did it out of outright fear and 'self defense' I think that if she did anything wrong she feared for her life. Only she and Huq know what was said (if she was there) Perhaps he threatened her or her family. There's also a small chance that she actually blocked out what happened.

I think so too. And I agree in full on your earlier post, re: the straight forward nature of this case.

There have been some interesting attitudes expressed in this thread. The notion that Christie is responsible in some way for Todd's death is flat-out wrong. Sorry. Regardless of the decisions she made in her personal life, she did not force Mahfuz Huq into Todd's cabin that night. Huq was and is a big boy. He was and is fully capable making choices not contingent on moves in Christie's love life. Christie isn't culpable because she broke up with Kelly--Mahfuz Huq is the only one who decided he had the right to end another human being's life, and THAT, and that alone, is why Todd Kelly isn't alive today.
I absolutely agree. I've never understood the hate for Christie Mutzfeld and claims that she was at fault. I 100% concur that Huq alone is responsible for the murder. He was a grown man at the time, old enough to make his own decisions, and the fault is all his own.

Are polygraph test even allowed in court rooms??

No. Polygraphs are not scientifically reliable.

The most useful aspect of the polygraph, IMO, is that people THINK they have merit - so the willingness to take one, by an unsophisticated person, at least, can be useful data.

I absolutely agree. I've never understood the hate for Christie Mutzfeld and claims that she was at fault. I 100% concur that Huq alone is responsible for the murder. He was a grown man at the time, old enough to make his own decisions, and the fault is all his own.

She might be at fault in a "but... for..." manner, but based on the facts as presented, she has no absolutely no criminal liability.

Of course, the case against Huq is circumstantial at best, based on what is known, which might account for some of the delay processing his extradition from Bangladesh.

Mahfuz Huq was arraigned Thursday after spending 2.5 years in custody in India before he was extradited. This link shows his mugshot then and now.

http://www.indianasnewscenter.com/news/local/Accussed-Murderer-Caught-In-India-Now-In-Steuben-County-217656161.html

This link shows reaction from the prosecutor and defense attorneys after the arraignment hearing (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=srBSWK-dAas)

According to the Unsolved Mysteries wiki page:

Mahfuz Huq, aka Asif Haq was sentenced to 40 years, the maximum under his plea agreement, in the Indiana state prison system on March 14, 2014. He pleaded guilty to voluntary manslaughter after more than three years in jail in both India and Indiana.

A more thorough story. (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=3&ved=0CC8QFjAC&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.dailymail.co.uk%2Fnews%2Farticle-2588477%2FMan-gets-40-years-slaying-romantic-rival.html&ei=dWHtU7v1M4OMyATHs4LQCg&usg=AFQjCNFl2nuCDjcy8riQIqUJMBzlJUFbMg&sig2=d9QDVP9tXPVnvvkv8UJw5A&bvm=bv.73231344,d.aWw)

No mention of Christi's role. I must say, reading this thread was educational. I don't know why it's a big deal that a woman her age juggled two lovers. "Promiscuous" or not (and would you call a man "promiscuous"?), that's college life, even if the young woman's living at home.

The fact that Mahfuz Huq killed Todd and then IMMEDIATELY fled to Bangladesh says a lot. If he did it so that he could be with Christie, then why did he leave immediately after the murder? I think he was so pissed that Christie was still seeing and sleeping with Todd, that he wanted him dead no matter what.

With that being said, I agree with Todd's father when he says that Christie likely was present during the murder. She probably didn't help him carry out the killing as they were likely surprised when he broke it and attacked Todd, but I do think she helped him clean up the scene.

Watched this for the first time on Amazon and it never says whether Christie was involved or not

Christie Mutzfeld is the type of girl who's not satisfied making only one man miserable, it has to be multiple men. She was definitely a witness to this murder. I totally understood Todd's family's disdain for her, with her "poor me, they're so mean to me" B.S. I'm sure she's actively ruining some other guy's life to this day

Christie Mutzfeld is the type of girl who's not satisfied making only one man miserable, it has to be multiple men. She was definitely a witness to this murder. I totally understood Todd's family's disdain for her, with her "poor me, they're so mean to me" B.S. I'm sure she's actively ruining some other guy's life to this day

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I have to say that I definitely think she was a witness to the murder. As to her propensity to make more than one man at a time miserable, I cannot say... :D

I definitely do not blame Todd's family for being as angry as they were, though. The whole thing was just senseless.

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I have to say that I definitely think she was a witness to the murder. As to her propensity to make more than one man at a time miserable, I cannot say... :D

I definitely do not blame Todd's family for being as angry as they were, though. The whole thing was just senseless.

I was about 18 when that movie came out - I was in love with her! :eyes:

I was about 18 when that movie came out - I was in love with her! :eyes:

We're close in age, then. I was a sophomore in high school. I think I was just about to turn 16 the summer Clueless came out. :)

We're close in age, then. I was a sophomore in high school. I think I was just about to turn 16 the summer Clueless came out. :)

In Summer of '95 I was 17. My job that summer was at a movie theater, I remember selling tickets to this. I'm turning 40 this year!:lookaroun

In Summer of '95 I was 17. My job that summer was at a movie theater, I remember selling tickets to this. I'm turning 40 this year!:lookaroun


Crazy, I'm also turning 40 (also named Jon). When Clueless came out, I went with friends to see it at midnight and my one friend wanted a refund. I watched it a couple years ago and it didn't quite hold up as much as I hoped. Still great, just not as much as other movies from the era.

Back on topic, I always had a weird, uneasy feeling about Christie.

Crazy, I'm also turning 40 (also named Jon). When Clueless came out, I went with friends to see it at midnight and my one friend wanted a refund. I watched it a couple years ago and it didn't quite hold up as much as I hoped. Still great, just not as much as other movies from the era.

Back on topic, I always had a weird, uneasy feeling about Christie.

Nice to see other 70s babies/80s kids on this board!

Christie was just scandalous. I don't feel bad bashing her because she is in no way a victim in this case. Once Mafuz snapped, the situation was out of control and she was powerless to stop it. Her only reaction was to cover her own butt.

I don't know why it's a big deal that a woman her age juggled two lovers. "Promiscuous" or not (and would you call a man "promiscuous"?), that's college life, even if the young woman's living at home.

This. Just because someone has different morals doesn't mean that they weren't victimized. I've had women friends who were stalked by former lovers, and you can't underestimate the fear that this creates. Huq chose to stalk Mutzfeld and said that he would kill anyone who dated her; he didn't snap, he made the choice to murder Kelly because he was jealous of him.

This. Just because someone has different morals doesn't mean that they weren't victimized.

Ok, fine, but why didn't she tell the truth about what happened?

I have nothing to add in this thread other than the actor who played Huq was a hunk...the real Huq, not so much.

Ok, fine, but why didn't she tell the truth about what happened?

Only Huq knows what the truth is; he still claims he killed Kelley in self-defense by the doorstep. Alternative facts and BS. I could imagine a scenario where he threatened her to the extent that she was a forced participant and/or was too terrified to reveal information, even years later, considering his whereabouts were unknown and he didn't have any hesitation about stalking her or stabbing her new boyfriend to death. Those two possibilities still don't make her a horrible person. He's never claimed that Mutzfeld was present at the murder or assisted him in the aftermath and there's never been any evidence that has turned up to support that theory. He apparently had access to a car and the cleanup and moving of Kelley's body *might* have resulted from an attempt to build a self defense claim or an abortive plan to remove the body from the house. This wasn't an impossible task to do by himself, even if he wasn't a body builder.

I have nothing to add in this thread other than the actor who played Huq was a hunk...the real Huq, not so much.

Worth it's own thread. I nominate Megadeth guy and the actor who portrayed Richard Minns (Minns' ego won't allow anyone to be more attractive or smart than him).

I have nothing to add in this thread other than the actor who played Huq was a hunk...the real Huq, not so much.

Its ok I love Jamieson Price. He played Leonard Dirikson.
He's got a **** ton of acting roles like The Patriot, but mainly LOTS of voiceover roles and his voice....my ovaries!
He's older but I guess im Lana del Rey and have daddy issues

He's older but I guess im Lana del Rey and have daddy issues

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I am sure I am not alone thinking Christine came off as very unlike able and whiny. Also damn he lost his life for that!!!! Se that birds nest on her hair and that neediness in her voice. Tragic for the Kelly family. She probably did not do it but she should have dumped huk after finding out his shady past. Also Todd should have moved on after she just dumped him the first time.:confused:

I've never felt the need to tip the haterade on Christie Mutzfeld.

I can understand the suspicion the Kelly family felt toward her and it's certainly problematic if she withheld any information about the early morning in question, but that's about where the problems begin and end.

She didn't want to marry her boyfriend right out of high school and started dating somebody else at college, then rekindled a relationship with said high school boyfriend later on. Sounds pretty ****ing unremarkable to me.

Christie knew Huq was a serious criminal.

Huq told her more than once that if was with another man, he'd kill him.

She chose to see two men at the same time. That's a risky powder keg under any circumstances. But considering the first two facts above, it's reckless, irresponsible, and plain stupid.

I agree with others who've said that what truly happened is simple and obvious.

That whole business about Huq walking, Christie coming and going, the short time frame to clean up, etc, Huq at her house, the dog....it's all too complex, convoluted, and far-fetched.

She was involved somehow.

And I was disgusted at her "Bambi" act regarding Todd's family. "Oh my oh dear I don't know why they're blaming poor lil ol' me!"

She took no responsibility for dating two men at the same time, one of whom was a convicted criminal who threatened to kill anyone else she dated. What could possibly go wrong?

Christie knew Huq was a serious criminal.

Huq told her more than once that if was with another man, he'd kill him.

She chose to see two men at the same time. That's a risky powder keg under any circumstances. But considering the first two facts above, it's reckless, irresponsible, and plain stupid.

I agree with others who've said that what truly happened is simple and obvious.

That whole business about Huq walking, Christie coming and going, the short time frame to clean up, etc, Huq at her house, the dog....it's all too complex, convoluted, and far-fetched.

She was involved somehow.

And I was disgusted at her "Bambi" act regarding Todd's family. "Oh my oh dear I don't know why they're blaming poor lil ol' me!"

She took no responsibility for dating two men at the same time, one of whom was a convicted criminal who threatened to kill anyone else she dated. What could possibly go wrong?

Welcome! :wave: It's always nice to see new folks on here discussing these cases!

I've never felt the need to tip the haterade on Christie Mutzfeld.

I can understand the suspicion the Kelly family felt toward her and it's certainly problematic if she withheld any information about the early morning in question, but that's about where the problems begin and end.

She didn't want to marry her boyfriend right out of high school and started dating somebody else at college, then rekindled a relationship with said high school boyfriend later on. Sounds pretty ****ing unremarkable to me.

I sometimes feel like men who've been burned in relationships project those relationships onto the women on UM. The guy who called Colleen Ritter a narcissistic b**ch in another thread comes to mind.

Mahfuz Huq was obviously mentally unhinged, but Christie bears no fault in that whatsoever. And regarding Huq's proclamation that he would kill her if she was with anyone else, I'm sorry, but people say a lot of stupid things when they're young. And Christie, Todd, and Mahfuz were all young. I had a girlfriend when I was their age who told me she would kill herself if I ever broke up with her. Today, she is happily married to someone who is not me because I broke it off with her.

Also, Mahfuz Huq wasn't the hardened criminal people would present either. Unsolved Mysteries used the word robbery for his crimes, but based on the facts of the crime, theft would have been more accurate (but it doesn't sound as thrilling on TV). These weren't gun-toting armed robberies. He and a friend stole some things from some people. There's a big leap between theft and murder.

I sometimes feel like men who've been burned in relationships project those relationships onto the women on UM. The guy who called Colleen Ritter a narcissistic in another thread comes to mind.


No. It's a whole lot more complicated than you describe.

My take on Christie Mutzfield is that her behavior was at best highly deceptive. I think Colleen Ritter was a very strong, poised and courageous for the way she handled herself before, during, and after her ordeal, and if someone actually described her that way I would disregard that comment as insane.

There are certainly women on UM who deserve to be regarded with contempt (Ida Prewitt, Bonnie Wilder). Others should be regarded as heroes (Colleen Ritter, Su Tarakiewicz, "Laurie").

I view women on UM the same way as everyone else: as individuals. That probably comes across as trite but it is not meant that way.

I've always felt she was involved or knew more than she was letting on. Either way she's definitely not my style (not that it makes a difference in the case) but if I got killed over a woman I wouldn't want it to be over her

Christine did the wrong thing for the right reason, she saw two men because she loved them both.

Huq did the wrong thing for the wrong reason, he killed a man because he considered Christine his property.

People cheat. Half my friends wouldn't have ever been born if people didn't cheat as they are products of 2nd marriages when the first one ended because of adultery. Lots of people get their hearts broken. Very, very few kill because of it. Even if she helped Huq clean up, which I'm not sure that I believe she did, he had just made the fact that he would kill over her and was likely scared for her life.

Christine is a victim. Did she make some less than stellar choices? Yes. Doesn't everyone? Huq is the one who killed. This is all on him.

Christine did the wrong thing for the right reason, she saw two men because she loved them both.

Huq did the wrong thing for the wrong reason, he killed a man because he considered Christine his property.

People cheat. Half my friends wouldn't have ever been born if people didn't cheat as they are products of 2nd marriages when the first one ended because of adultery. Lots of people get their hearts broken. Very, very few kill because of it. Even if she helped Huq clean up, which I'm not sure that I believe she did, he had just made the fact that he would kill over her and was likely scared for her life.

Christine is a victim. Did she make some less than stellar choices? Yes. Doesn't everyone? Huq is the one who killed. This is all on him.
This is one of those posts that is so good and on point I wish this board had a like button.

Christine did the wrong thing for the right reason, she saw two men because she loved them both.

Huq did the wrong thing for the wrong reason, he killed a man because he considered Christine his property.

People cheat. Half my friends wouldn't have ever been born if people didn't cheat as they are products of 2nd marriages when the first one ended because of adultery. Lots of people get their hearts broken. Very, very few kill because of it. Even if she helped Huq clean up, which I'm not sure that I believe she did, he had just made the fact that he would kill over her and was likely scared for her life.

Christine is a victim. Did she make some less than stellar choices? Yes. Doesn't everyone? Huq is the one who killed. This is all on him.

Thanks for your social commentary on this case. I'd like to know your opinion if the roles were reversed. You sound like a card carrying man-hater. Christine should have been sent to prison as an accessory after the fact. No ifs ands or buts about it. To those that argue otherwiese :crazy:

Necco's post is absolutely reasonable. Not sure where Necco comes off as a "card-carrying man hater."
Huq was the murderer, not Christine. She wasn't perfect, but she was no murderer.

Necco's post is absolutely reasonable. Not sure where Necco comes off as a "card-carrying man hater."
Huq was the murderer, not Christine. She wasn't perfect, but she was no murderer.

I don't think anyone accused her of being a murderer? And no one said Huq is not responsible for his crime, and that's why he's paying for it. I don't think that's the source of the controversy in this thread.

My gripe about her was that her story doesn't add up and she didn't tell the truth to the police. And then putting on the "poor me" act in the UM interview. Would also add that Todd's family was completely justified in their general attitude towards her.

That's why I can't join the "oh, she's full of ****, but who cares it's not like she killed anyone" chorus.

I don't think that's the source of the controversy in this thread.

The source of the controversy in this thread is that Christie Mutzfeld represents the whore when she was expected to be the Madonna. A western problem of old.

She rebuffed her boyfriend's marriage proposal because "there were other things she wanted to do". She started dating another man--a dark-skinned, foreign man in majority-white northeast Indiana, at that. She broke up with same to reconcile with the boyfriend whose earlier marriage proposal she rebuffed, and in fact--gasp--had sex with him in a lakehouse after midnight.

Christie's story doesn't make sense if the coroner's determination that Todd was murdered around 3:15 AM is correct. But remember, this a coroner--not a medical examiner. A coroner need not be a board-certified forensic pathologist. Indeed, most of them absolutely are not even healthcare workers (let alone physicians), which has been a source of media attention and controversy over the past several years, and rightly so.

The coroner's assertion is the only thing that conflicts with Christie's story, as there exists no other evidence to suggest her story isn't true. Even the sheriff himself stated that there was "no hard evidence" to support Christie's involvement in the murder.

Christie Mutzfeld is still suspect in this thread because her sexual ethics are questionable under the traditional dictates of American society. It's the same reason why men like Larry Race are automatically assumed guilty--especially by women--before he even tells his story (despite what you believe on the veracity of that account): he cheated on his wife, multiple times. He must be guilty, because he's immoral. Oh, the judgemental hellfire that rains down, then, on the young woman who ends and begins relationships as easily as she changes underwear.

Thanks for your social commentary on this case. I'd like to know your opinion if the roles were reversed. You sound like a card carrying man-hater. Christine should have been sent to prison as an accessory after the fact. No ifs ands or buts about it. To those that argue otherwiese :crazy:

I think it's entirely possible that Larry Race is innocent of his wife's murder. Crappy husband? sure. Calculating murderer? I'm not convinced.

After reviewing my cards, I can confirm I am a card-carrying member of AAA, my health insurance plan, and a yacht club. I let my Man-Hater club membership lapse decades ago when I realized I didn't actually hate men.

After reviewing my cards, I can confirm I am a card-carrying member of AAA, my health insurance plan, and a yacht club. I let my Man-Hater club membership lapse decades ago when I realized I didn't actually hate men.


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I have missed you, Necco.

The source of the controversy in this thread is that Christie Mutzfeld represents the whore when she was expected to be the Madonna. A western problem of old.

She rebuffed her boyfriend's marriage proposal because "there were other things she wanted to do". She started dating another man--a dark-skinned, foreign man in majority-white northeast Indiana, at that. She broke up with same to reconcile with the boyfriend whose earlier marriage proposal she rebuffed, and in fact--gasp--had sex with him in a lakehouse after midnight.

Christie's story doesn't make sense if the coroner's determination that Todd was murdered around 3:15 AM is correct. But remember, this a coroner--not a medical examiner. A coroner need not be a board-certified forensic pathologist. Indeed, most of them absolutely are not even healthcare workers (let alone physicians), which has been a source of media attention and controversy over the past several years, and rightly so.

The coroner's assertion is the only thing that conflicts with Christie's story, as there exists no other evidence to suggest her story isn't true. Even the sheriff himself stated that there was "no hard evidence" to support Christie's involvement in the murder.

Christie Mutzfeld is still suspect in this thread because her sexual ethics are questionable under the traditional dictates of American society. It's the same reason why men like Larry Race are automatically assumed guilty--especially by women--before he even tells his story (despite what you believe on the veracity of that account): he cheated on his wife, multiple times. He must be guilty, because he's immoral. Oh, the judgemental hellfire that rains down, then, on the young woman who ends and begins relationships as easily as she changes underwear.

Awesome analysis, Meg.

However, put me in the column of folks that believe Larry Race is innocent. I'm also not convinced...

I let my Man-Hater club membership lapse decades ago when I realized I didn't actually hate men.

That's just because you're in love with Henry Rollins, Necco :happyface

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Count me in the minority, but I believe Christie's story, and that she had no involvement with anything. She was over at Todd's late, and probably did need to go home. I don't see why Todd's family held her somewhat responsible. Isn't it just as likely that Huq got a ride from a friend or relative? Why did it have to be Christie who helped him? And don't the cigarette butts being left outside kind of indicate that Huq was waiting for Christie to leave? If he was so enraged by hearing them having sex, why not knock on the door and do the deed then? The multiple cigarette butts, IMO, indicate Huq was biding his time until Christie left.

And I don't think, if the sexes were reversed, anybody would feel any differently about culpability.

Something off topic:

On the comments on the write up on unsolved.com about this case, someone asks why a certain case was removed from their website, and they say it was done because no law enforcement agency was set up for the case so they cannot accept tips. Thought that was interesting.

Thanks!

Count me in the minority, but I believe Christie's story, and that she had no involvement with anything. She was over at Todd's late, and probably did need to go home. I don't see why Todd's family held her somewhat responsible. Isn't it just as likely that Huq got a ride from a friend or relative? Why did it have to be Christie who helped him? And don't the cigarette butts being left outside kind of indicate that Huq was waiting for Christie to leave? If he was so enraged by hearing them having sex, why not knock on the door and do the deed then? The multiple cigarette butts, IMO, indicate Huq was biding his time until Christie left.




This has always been pretty clear cut to me. Huq wanted Christie, but needed to get Todd out of the way, so he shows up, waits in the shadows until she leaves Todd's, then busts in and knifes him.

(pretty much what his confession stated:
https://unsolvedmysteries.fandom.com/wiki/Mahfuz_Huq)

Logically speaking, with that as his motivation, killing Todd in front of her would've made no sense, because she'd never have anything to do with him after that.

Todd's angry father and his single-minded insistence that she had to have been involved was simple - the guy that did it got away and he wanted/needed someone to blame, all logical considerations aside.

I was about 18 when that movie came out - I was in love with her! :eyes:

I had just graduated high school in 1995 and saw that in the theaters. Still love it.

Oh my God. Are people STILL bickering over whether or not Christie was involved?

And I can't believe people think her crying at the end was some "routine." Perhaps these people have never had any real human relationships? I don't know, but it isn't that far fetched to believe she DID love Todd and that love *just* doesn't die when he did. "Oh, my boyfriend was murdered. I guess I don't miss him anymore 'cause he's dead and his family hates me so I'm not gonna cry." :rolleyes:

Maybe it's the result of too much Dateline, but investigators seem to have an irritatingly narrow opinion of what an "appropriate" response to a crime should be. If someone cries or is very emotional, then they're over the top and fake. If they're dry-eyed, even if it's the result of shock, then it's "How can they be so unemotional? Their loved one just died!" When people have suspicions, they can twist any response to fit their interpretation of the situation.

The source of the controversy in this thread is that Christie Mutzfeld represents the whore when she was expected to be the Madonna. A western problem of old.

She rebuffed her boyfriend's marriage proposal because "there were other things she wanted to do". She started dating another man--a dark-skinned, foreign man in majority-white northeast Indiana, at that. She broke up with same to reconcile with the boyfriend whose earlier marriage proposal she rebuffed, and in fact--gasp--had sex with him in a lakehouse after midnight.

Christie's story doesn't make sense if the coroner's determination that Todd was murdered around 3:15 AM is correct. But remember, this a coroner--not a medical examiner. A coroner need not be a board-certified forensic pathologist. Indeed, most of them absolutely are not even healthcare workers (let alone physicians), which has been a source of media attention and controversy over the past several years, and rightly so.

The coroner's assertion is the only thing that conflicts with Christie's story, as there exists no other evidence to suggest her story isn't true. Even the sheriff himself stated that there was "no hard evidence" to support Christie's involvement in the murder.

Christie Mutzfeld is still suspect in this thread because her sexual ethics are questionable under the traditional dictates of American society. It's the same reason why men like Larry Race are automatically assumed guilty--especially by women--before he even tells his story (despite what you believe on the veracity of that account): he cheated on his wife, multiple times. He must be guilty, because he's immoral. Oh, the judgemental hellfire that rains down, then, on the young woman who ends and begins relationships as easily as she changes underwear.

:rolleyes:

Christie seemed like a slut to me, but I didn't necessarily see any evidence she was involved.

Christie seemed like a slut to me, but I didn't necessarily see any evidence she was involved.

lol

Then thousands of men and women who go away to college and sleep with someone other than their boy/girlfriends are sluts.

lol

Then thousands of men and women who go away to college and sleep with someone other than their boy/girlfriends are sluts.

Well, a little more than that happened in this case, but sure. The point is, it doesn't mean they're involved in murder, mmmkay?

I sometimes feel like men who've been burned in relationships project those relationships onto the women on UM. The guy who called Colleen Ritter a narcissistic b**ch in another thread comes to mind.


Seriously???? I guess i shouldn't be surprised, it is the Internet.