Of course there has been a lot of discussion on here about Angela Hammond. I know that some of you believe serial killer Kenneth McDuff murdered her (although she's never been found dead or alive). I thought it would be interesting to take a pole and see how its divided. I would also like to know why you do or don't think McDuff is responsible. Admittedly I don't know much about McDuff except that he was a serial killer and has already been executed so I don't really have an opinion on this one.

As of now, I don't see any evidence that he had any involvement in her disappearance. So, until proven otherwise, my answer is no.

Of course, he was captured in Missouri in May 1992, after being on the run for only a few months. This was one year after Angela Hammond disappeared. But it's unknown whether he had ever been to Missouri before.

I think it's quite likely that he did. The crime bears similarities to previous rapes/murders he comitted. He was in the area near the same time. He often offered to give more evidence in order to save his butt for a few more months, but finally Texas grew sick of that and just offed his sorry self. What a pitiful excuse for human excrement.

Hi crystaldawn,

Have you ever seen a picture of McDuff? Is he creepy? Does he look scooters?

Just wondering because that seems to be the lasting impression from that night...that and the fish jumping out of the lake mural on the window of his rusted truck.

Certainly one of the more disturbing stories on UM.

jeeps

Well I remember they did show a picture of him at the end of the Colleen Reed segment and I didn't really see a resemblance to the composite sketch in the Angela Hammond case. Here's a website with several pictures of him:

http://www.garylavergne.com/mcduffmugs.htm

Hmmm. We'll talk more and you can filll me in. I suppose it's useless banking on the grubby look since anyone - even murderers - can wash up.

The saddest part is that there's no closure for the family. And you could see the agony in her boyfriend's face knowing he was close to saving her..yet couldn't.

jeeps

Too easy. Propose one person vs. the rest of the world and I'll take the field almost every time, and love my chances. I can tell you point blank, as someone who works in stats and consults Las Vegas oddsmakers, if a casino were to put up bettable odds on this, Kenneth McDuff as the perpetrator wouldn't even register 5% likelihood. In fact, that's way too high. The wise guys would chew up an opportunity like that, betting every other possibility against one theoretical one. It's the reverse of the Richard McCoy as DB Cooper angle, where the guy who pulled off a near identical crime mere months later would be a huge favorite to also have been DB Cooper.

I learned the hard way. I moved to Las Vegas more than 15 years ago and thought I was a hot shot handicapper who could isolate winners and ignore the mathematical aspects. For example, even if a Boris Becker was a huge favorite, like 1/5, I'd bet him anyway if I were sure he was going to win. The local sharpies respected me but said I'd eventually learn, that you had to take advantage of the long term mathematical advantage, even if it meant betting on teams or players you thought were going to lose. How right they were. Even if I thought McDuff was more likely than any other named suspect, in a 50/50 poll like this you have to pick no and you'll be right much more often than not.

I'm always frustrated and amazed on these true crime shows that law enforcement and prosecutors seem to be clueless regarding basic probability. For example, they'll repeatedly guess of a suspect, "well, we think he's probably incarcerated or dead," even when that flies in the face of probability, based on his age or percentage of people who are in jail.

I guarantee in the future there will be a much greater understanding of a need for crossover education, so law enforcement will be able to see a specific injury or piece of evidence and be able to closely estimate if it links to another crime or criminal, instead of scattergun guesswork. Henry Lee seems to have a great understanding of blood patterns, etc. and how they relate to what likely happened, but I don't see much of that elsewhere.

What a pitiful excuse for human excrement.

I feel the same as you. I felt outrage after I learned more about Kenneth McDuff, and that was in early 1993, when America's Most Wanted did a follow-up story on him, which included his conviction and being sentenced to death for the 1992 murder of Melissa Ann Northup. I was confused as to how anyone would grant parole for a three-time killer. Then I learned that prison overcrowding was a factor. But what finalized the parole was the carelessness of the parole board, which failed to carefully review McDuff's record (if they reviewed it at all).

The case of Kenneth McDuff is a frightening story of what could happen if a violent offender earns parole. It also shows that some people are incapable of being reformed. However, if you're only doing minor offenses, you still have a good chance to be rehabilitated. But once you go as far as, say, murdering someone or becoming a child molester, you end up decreasing any hopes of being successfully rehabilited. So there are people whose criminal behavior is so severe that, no matter what method of treatment you offer them, they will still be leopards that don't change their spots.

Why isn't Bill Wacker one of the choices?

OMG, is he serious? Let it go, man. It's not funny anymore.

OMG, is he serious? Let it go, man. It's not funny anymore.

I couldn't agree more!!

Okay, it is entirely possible that Kenneth McDuff murdered Angela Hammond. However there are certain things about it that dont add up. The biggest one being if McDuff in fact killed her I think he would have admitted to it. McDuff was already in prison and serving time on death row when he was asked if he had anything to do with her disapperance and he denied any involvement. I dont think he would have had any reason to lie and I think had he done it he would have admitted to it. It is quite clear that there were other crimes going on that were being done by the same person. I think the two other crimes that occured before Hammond were also done by the same person. Who it was remains to be known. Could have it been McDuff? Of course, he wasnt in prison at the time and he was known to have committed crimes similar to it. As for Bill Wacker whomever made that comment about him made it in very poor taste. When thinking about the Wacker case yes I did consider whether Bill himself was actually the one responsible. Some of the attacks occured when Bill wasnt home or wasnt right with his wife. However just as many occured when he was home. Also what motivation would Bill have to start doing that after over 45 years of marriage? It just wouldnt make sense. I dont know who was doing it, but I am pretty sure it was someone that knew the Wackers even if they didnt know him he sure knew them because those attacks were so personable. Also he seemed to know where stuff was and when the Wackers would be doing certain things.

I have now changed my opinion on this. I dont think it was McDuff that did it. The reason why I changed my opinion is that I saw a picture of him at the end of the Colleen Reed segment and he looked nothing like the man Angela Hammond described to Rob. I am pretty sure the same guy killed Hammond that killed those two other women in Missouri in the weeks and months before Hammond. I hope he is in prison for another crime but I wouldnt hold my breath. I am sure this guy has kept killing although he might have moved to another area because of the publicity. I am trying to think of who the guy might have been. You know who the guy kind of looked like? Randall Utterback. It isnt entirely out of the question. Utterback went through stages where his hair was long or buzz cut. He also sometimes had a beard but not all the time. He changed his apperance often it seemed. But when I look at the guy who was described by Hammond, when I think of it, I think of Randall Utterback. Although I dont think Utterback would have the balls to actually kill someone but you never know. An interesting theory none the less. As for McDuff, isnt he like the only guy ever to have been paroled while on death row?

As for McDuff, isnt he the only guy ever to have been paroled while on death row?

Unfortunately, there is another one: Ted Anthony Prevatte. He and William Jordan killed a man named James Rouse in 1974. According to the UM segment that aired in 1996, both Jordan and Prevatte were sentenced to death, but their sentences were both commuted to life in prison. While Jordan later escaped and is still on the run, Prevatte was eventually paroled, but killed again, and was sent back to death row.

Hey thanks for the info Kane! Anthony Prevatte, yes you are right. I looked him up at the North Carolina Department of Corrections. He was sentenced to death in 1974 but on appeal had his sentence commuted to life in prison on a technacality because of something the prosecuting attorney said in his closing argument. According to the North Carolina department of corrections he was actually paroled by Georgia when he first became eligible in 1981. Prevatte murdered his girlfriend in 1993 and was sentenced to death in North Carolina in 1995 where he remains to this day. William Jordan really needs to get captured. He has never been profiled on America's Most Wanted, I think he would possibly get captured if he was profiled on there. I also found an interesting fact. William Jordan escaped from a minimum security facility the Wayne Correctional Facility in Odem, Georgia in 1984. John Mooney escaped from that same prison in 1980. Two high profile escapes. I imagine after those two they started being careful about putting people that had been convicted of murder in such a facility. There might be another person that was originally sentenced to death that will be paroled this year possibly. Leslie Van Houten a member of the Manson family was originally sentenced to death however her sentence was commuted to life in 1972. She has a parole hearing on September 6th. This is thought to be her best shot at getting paroled yet. But keep in mind she has been turned down 14 or 15 times already.

Why does it say I've already voted in this poll?

Why does it say I've already voted in this poll?

You posted soon after I started this poll so maybe you voted then. No doubt you're getting forgetful in your old age......:p :lol:

You posted soon after I started this poll so maybe you voted then. No doubt you're getting forgetful in your old age......:p :lol:

Hey, that's twice this week you've accused me of forgetting something. I looked at that PM and thought it was very creative, particularly the spelling. :D

I want to vote again, like that old Mayor Daley saying, early and often.

Besides, why isn't this forum set up like others I visit, so you can see who voted in each category? That could set up some deserved abuse.

I still think Randall Utterback could be a possiblity. Unlikely, but possible. Like I said earlier when I saw the guy portrayed in the re enactment as Angela's kidnapper and likely killer of her I just got reminded of Randall Utterback. I always wondered why Utterback would go on the run from assault charges that he was probably only facing a couple years at most in prison on anyway. Utterback is probably a long shot with being the serial killer in southwestern Missouri considering he was from northern Missouri but it is possible.

I still think Randall Utterback could be a possiblity. Unlikely, but possible. Like I said earlier when I saw the guy portrayed in the re enactment as Angela's kidnapper and likely killer of her I just got reminded of Randall Utterback. I always wondered why Utterback would go on the run from assault charges that he was probably only facing a couple years at most in prison on anyway. Utterback is probably a long shot with being the serial killer in southwestern Missouri considering he was from northern Missouri but it is possible.

I will agree that Randall Utterback is a possibility, but unlikely. There's no doubt that Randall Utterback is a creep that deserves some jail time, but I don't think he was responsbile for Angela Hammond's disappearance. Utterback was a creep who targeted a specific person - his ex-girlfriend. It appears as if the person who caused Angela Hammond's disappearance (it is believed that it was the same person who caused the disappearances of two other women in that area around that time, one of which turned up dead.) targeted specific sites. (It is also believed the NH serial killer did the same thing - target specific sites.) These 2 killers seemed to target women who were alone at night. Again, Utterback is a possibility, but unlikely.

Well on this case I have been racking my brain trying to think of anyone in prison that could have did this. I still think Randall Utterback is a possiblity albeit an unlikely one. I looked on the Missouri, Oklahoma and Illinois prison websites not finding much. I thought of two other possiblities. The BTK killer is a possiblity but unlikely unless he changed up his M.O. Another possiblity would be Stephen Talley from Arkansas. The man who pled guilty to murdering Carson Prince as well as two others back in 1999. Talley's apperance is very different from that of the man described in the Hammond case but Talley could have changed his apperance over the years. Talley is a serial killer and I have a hard time believing that he started killing with Carson Prince. He is actually a suspect in at least one other unsolved homicide of a woman at a rest stop in Arkansas but Talley denied being involved and he has been questioned in other unsolved homicides but has always d enied any involvement. Talley is a possiblity in these cases as well, Talley would have been 26 in 1991.

It is likely that Talley was the person that murdered that young woman at the rest stop in Arkansas. Talley lived in Perryville, Arkansas and the murder occurred at a rest stop near Morrilton, Arkansas and it looks like Morrilton is only 20 to 25 miles north of Perryville.

My gut reaction is that it's not the BTK killer either. I believe all of the killings he has done were around the area of his home, which was in Kansas state. Also, the BTK killer entered people's homes and then killed them, whereas this guy abducts people. Unless the BTK killer was mobile and/or drastically changed his m.o. like you said, it's another possibility but unlikely.

Hey, I dont mean to grasp at straws with this case but I just have a hard time believing the guy that did this isnt in prison somewhere for another crime. I thought Stephen Talley was an interesting possiblity. Clinton, Missouri is quite a lengthy drive from Perrysville, Arkansas. I'm guessing Perryville is about a 4 hour drive from Clinton. Perryville is probably a little over three hours away from where another of those killings occured in Nevada, Missouri. Like the valley killer in New Hampshire and Vermont whoever killed Hammond and the other two I believe didnt stalk these women ahead of time. I think that he was just driving and got the urge to kill or he saw someone and thought "gee she looks vulnerable" or something like that. It could be that he would maybe even be driving by not planning to kill but then see a woman by herself and pounce. Stephen Talley from what I have seen didnt appear to stalk specific victims either. He actually would just pick a site it appears and go with it.

Actually another man was charged in May with the murder of Kristin Laurite at the Morrilton rest stop. Thanks for mentioning her because I had forgotten to check the web on the status of her case. Apparently Ward has been linked through DNA to other unsolved murders though none I am familiar with. Here's the link:
http://www.billingsgazette.net/articles/2006/05/12/news/state/80-rest-stop-slaying.txt

Late breaking news out of Montana... you've gotta love it. :) I'm relieved to see that the murderer has been incarcerated, although it most likely came at the expense of someone else's life... :(

What are you talking about CRicci? Are you talking about the guy that was charged in May? Or are you talking about someone else? I also saw that one of the guys that participated in the murder of actor Patrick Duffy's parents was paroled earlier this year after serving 19 years of a 180 year sentence.

No, I was referring to the guy that was charged in May for the murder of the young woman in Arkansas.

Isn't that crazy about Patrick Duffy's parents? IMO, that whole story is such a tragedy. I can't believe the trash that the State of Montana has been known to parole at times....

CRicci, I am assuming that was big news in Montana about one of the men involved in the Duffy murders getting parole. The guy that was paroled earlier this year wasnt the trigger man but still to get paroled after serving only 19 years of a 180 year sentence. Supposedly he was a model inmate and all that and had been for years. Kenneth Miller was the one paroled. He was paroled in March or April of this year. He had first become eligible for parole in 2004 but was turned down the first time only to get it on his 2nd try. Miller was 19 when he was sent to prison and was paroled a couple of months before he turned 39. I think Miller got an easier sentence because he pled guilty and testifed against the shooter Sean Wentz who is still in prison. There had been a scandal involving the state with Miller a couple years ago that I read about. Apperantly because Miller was close to parole eligiblity the state allowed him to work in jobs that sometimes took place outside the prison of course he was always under supervision by guards. Anyway supposedly the guards would take Miller out to eat at a public restaurant at state expense. Who else has Montana paroled that was bad? Like I said earlier, I imagine Miller getting paroled was big news and I imagine a lot of people werent happy about it.

During the NH serial killer segment, there was a detective or police officer who theorized that the killer didn't target specific women, rather specific sites, and I tend to agree with that. For example, the woman who survived was attacked at a rest stop I believe, with no one else in sight. Similarly, the person who abducted Angela Hammond (they also believe he abducted 2 other women in the area around the same time) appears to have also targeted specific sites. The two other women were closing up shop at convenience stores, and Angela was at a supermarket phone booth late at night. I think they hang around certain areas waiting for someone as opposed to driving around aimlessly searching for a victim. Just my feelings on it.

It's unfortunate that the boyfriend wasn't able to get the license plate number off of the truck as he was driving right behind them - I imagine he was too focused on Angela and getting a look at the adbudctor and/or just didn't think of it as it was a high stress situation.

It's also unfortunate that the vehicle couldn't be traced as it was a distinctive looking vehicle. I would say there was a high probability that he had a paint job done on it as he must have known that the boyfriend was following him and certainly would have remembered what the vehicle looked like.

I wonder if the adbuctor stopped for gas in the area shortly before he kidnapped Angela. He risked being chased, as is customary when abductions happen, and theoretically the chase could have went on for much longer had the boyfriends vehicle not gave out. So perhaps someone else in the area did see him and just didn't realize it. I imagine he himself would have been quite distinctive looking given how Angela described him.

Sad case.

Well what surprises me is that they never put Rob Schafer under hypnosis to see if he could remember more. But I agree that the guy in the truck that he probably did what Darrell Wilson did shortly after Sherry Eyerly's murder in that he repainted his truck a completely different color. Also this killer could have been from any of the surrounding states. I believe the Clinton, Missouri police detective interviewed in the UM segment said they only searched Missouri. This killer could have been from Oklahoma, Kansas, Arkansas. I think Wiseguy has an interesting theory with the filling up the gas. However the killer would have had no way of knowing that Angie had a boyfriend or that Rob only lived blocks from the phone booths therefore being able to get down there quickly in the event of an emergency. Even though Clinton is a small town that is still pretty chancey to kidnap someone from downtown like that at around 11 at night. I honestly still cant believe that no one saw anything. I think someone did see that truck or saw the guy but didnt think anything of it because they did not know what he had done.

True, plus the adbuctor took an added risk because Angie was on the phone, and had a chance to describe the adbuctor and the vehicle. I wonder if the supermaket was open or not, it didn't appear to be from what it looked like to me in the segment, but you never know. If the supermarket was open that could have been another risk. It appears as if the abductor was really mulling it over as he circled the block a couple times, got on the phone and searched for something in his truck. That he took so much time to do this was also risky, it would seem like most perpetrators would want to get in and out as quickly as possible so as to avoid beeing seen. Yeah I really wish they could put Rob under hypnosis to remember the license plate number.

After watching the Colleen Reed segment on YouTube I looked at Kenneth McDuff's history and it convinces me he didn't pull the Angela Hammond abduction. Not only didn't he resemble the description of the bearded disheveled guy, but there's no indication Angela's abductor was that tall, the 6-3 height given for McDuff. I think the Angela would have described the guy as tall if he were that height, and there's no indication of that.

Plus, McDuff was an absolute lowlife who seemingly had no limits in crime or crude behavior. There are many online accounts of how poorly he acted in court. The Angela Hammond abductor demonstrated some finesse in hesitating near the phone, plus the strange and offbeat, "I didn't need to use the phone, anyway," line. Those don't sound like Kenneth McDuff.

Let's hope Angela was abducted by someone else. I'm sure it was ghastly no matter who did it, but late in this link I found the description from McDuff's cohort of what happened to Colleen Reed, and it's not pleasant.

http://www.lubbockonline.com/news/112496/mcduff.htm

:eek2: You're right, Awsi. That was NOT pleasant...

Is there any hard evidence that would rule out McDuff? Can we place him somewhere else when Angela was taken? He was picked up in Kansas City in 1992 and it doesn't appear there were anymore mysterious murders or kidnappings after that.

Here is a quote from the article that Awsi posted. Look at the simalaraties in these cases and the Angela Hammond, Trudy Darby, Cheryl Kenney cases.




Another of the missing women, Regenia Moore, was last seen kicking and screaming in the cab of McDuff's pickup truck.

During the Christmas holidays of 1991, Colleen Reed disappeared from an Austin car wash. Witnesses reported hearing a woman scream that night and seeing two men speeding away in a yellow or tan Thunderbird.

Little more than two months later, on March 1, 1992, Melissa Northrup, pregnant with a third child, vanished from the Waco convenience store where she worked. McDuff's beige Thunderbird, broken down, was discovered a block from the store.

Okay, I know a lot of people are ticked about McDuff ever being let out. I dont blame the Reed family for being mad about it but I doubt that this bribe stuff has any merit. The reason is these parole board members make pretty good salaries and 10 grand just doesnt seem like a very big bribe to me especially when you are talking about paroling a man that had a triple homicide to his name. McDuff was paroled in 1989 due to tough on crime laws that failed miserably in Texas and caused massive overcrowding in the prison so much so the feds were basically threatening to take over their prison system if they didnt do something to greatly reduce the overcrowding, so in 1989 they had a mass parole and a bunch of lifers got let out and McDuff was one of them. McDuff wasnt returned to prison despite violating his parole on at least 3 occassions because the overcrowding was still an issue. Texas's prison system was actually under federal supervision until I believe 2003 or 2004 due to mass problems. Big surprise their prison system which was never good has deteoriated evne more since the feds stopped keeping a close eye on it.

It's so pathetic how people like Kenneth McDuff are always let off the hook so they can kill more innocent people. That's the American way, let everyone go! don't punish anyone because it's cruel and unusual! I suppose it's not cruel and unusual to torture and kill innocent people?

Anyway, why did Angela Hammond go to a payphone when her boyfriend lived close by?

Actually Siberiankiss, not everyone is "getting let go." In fact quite the opposite. Most lifers that are paroled never do anything illegal, certainly not seriously illegal like kill again. McDuff was an exception to the rule and based on the amount of homicide charges he had been convicted of he really shouldnt have been paroled or at least should have been under constant supervision but the guy was a ticking time bomb. However McDuff was sentenced to death in 1966 it was commuted to life when the death penalty was ruled unconstitutional in 1972 and in 1989 he was paroled. In 1994 I believe he was sentenced to death and was executed in 1998. But in terms of everyone getting let go and not being punished I dont buy that. If that is how you choose to see it fine but just to let you know that isnt always how it is. IT is actually because of what you were complaining about that McDuff was paroled, it was because TExas wasnt letting anyone out and as a result their prisons were so severely overcrowded the feds stepped in and Texas basically had no choice but to do a mass parole and as a result a few people got out that wouldnt have ever got out except in the event of a mass parole, someone like McDuff who had been turned down for parole several times before he was let out in the 1989 mass parole. California is also heading down a similar road and will probably be forced to do a similar thing to do massive tough on crime laws that have been a miserable failure.

they should stop arresting people who use drugs or who are in possession of them. and the gov't needs to quit telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies. how many people are in prison for drug related offenses? the only one I object too is driving under the influence. how much money and time and manpower is wasted trying to keep America from using the drugs they want to use? And it's a complete failure, hardly a dent has been put into the drug war.

build more prisons. no parole for anybody. no time off for good behavior. why? serve the time you were sentenced for. no more probation. if you get caught with a minor crime, 20 years in prison, no time off. serious crime...die. no need to keep murderers, rapists, and child molesters around is there? enough with this appeals ****. Once they're convicted, shoot them in the head and get it over with, it saves lots of time, space, and money. if it's not a 100% slam dunk that they are guilty, then life in prison, no chance to be let out. sure a small amount of innocent people will always get screwed no matter what the system...but in the long run a much larger, MUCH larger amount of innocent people will be saved. when are people gonna ****in wake up and stop letting child molesters go free? Rapists. and on and on. all the pedo's, for instance, in dateline's to catch a predator.....there is very little hard time. less than a year in prison and probation for many of them. how is probation a penalty? probation is basically a free pass for the first offense. Enough with the sympathy for the scum of the Earth and worrying that their penalties are too strict. Just one example, this past Dateline, they showed this rapist who molested three children like 20 years ago. he was let outta prison after like 2 years, he was caught trying to solicit sex from a 13 year old. This is just one example of many. I wonder what that guy's been up to since between the time he got outta prison for ruining three children's lives and when he was caught on tv trying to do it again....20 years in between, i'm sure he wasn't such a choir boy. he should have been either tortured and killed or just killed right after he was convicted or not too long after he was convicted of raping little children.

I need to be crowned Czar of the United States. There won't be any overcrowding in prisons, guaranteed. And everyone will feel safe to walk the streets at any time of the day or night too.

Haha, well whatever Siberiankiss. We will have to agree to disagree I guess. I will say the way you want to do things while I am sure is well intentioned is very scary. That just simply isnt the way we do things in this country and hopefully it will never be that way. Dateline does catch some sicko's but I mean I think it is also outrageous for someone to be sentenced to hard time for attempting to do something that never took place and when they are basically entraped by someone that isnt who they say they are. I mean I am not complaining that these guys are getting busted but I do think it is getting a little out of control with the whole busting people before they have a chance to do stuff thing. I mean what are we going to have next, the thought police that go around and arrest people and throw them in prison because the thought of something illegal enters their head?

I am sure you have committed crimes yourself Siberiankiss so I guess unless you are willing to hold yourself to your own standard than you shouldnt try imposing it on anyone else. Probation can be a good way to deter first time offenders from doing it again, yes there are people that repeatedly violate probation and if you violate probation than yes there should be greater consequences for that. But I think everyone deserves a second chance and I personally think it is crazy to put someone in prison for 20 years for a "minor crime." I dont know what you define as a minor crime but regardless of what it is 20 years simply is too much for too small of a crime. Yes if you are talking murder or rape or something I can see 20 years but if you are talking a guy getting 20 years because he stole a car or a guy that gets 20 years for stealing a case of beer from a liquor store that is just nuts. Cali has been doing that now for over 10 years and it has been a miserable failure. I dont know, the way you want to do things is scary in my opinion.

I mean I am not complaining that these guys are getting busted but I do think it is getting a little out of control with the whole busting people before they have a chance to do stuff thing. I mean what are we going to have next, the thought police that go around and arrest people and throw them in prison because the thought of something illegal enters their head?

that's like saying the FBI and the CIA shouldn't investigate terrorists plots because nothing's been done yet. Do we have to wait until the crime has already been committed before acting? Nah. Intent is there. In Dateline's Predator show, the intent is clearly there. Once they show up to the home they are finished. They were there to have sex with a child, they're either pedophiles or potential pedophiles. They chatted online with the "child" and they made plans with this child to have sex and they showed up to have sex with said child. That's enough intent, that isn't just the thought of something illegal entering their heads. It's actually already a felony in most states just to chat about sex with a child. You might have the "illegal thought entering their heads" thing with that, just chatting, I agree with you there that it probably shouldn't be enough to arrest them just with those online convos but Dateline's sting operation goes far beyond just illegal or impure thoughts. And if it's entrapment, why is it that none of the 260+ pedophiles have used entrapment to beat the rap? It's not entrapment at all. The pedo's are the ones who initiate conversation, they make the plans, they show up to the home. It's just undercover. I really don't feel for pedophiles, do you? So yeah I think those guys should all be done away with or put in prison for good. The best part is they are all 100% guilty. There is no way to weasel their way out of it. Convo is there, phone calls...done, plans to meet...done, pedophile shows up to molest child...bingo. too bad they don't get punished really.

and sure I've committed crimes. I jaywalk, I got drunk when I was under 21, I gambled when I was under 21, I drive over 65 MPH at times, I even turn without signaling sometimes. Almost everyone does those itty bitty things. But I don't have a problem with anybody doing those things either and don't vilify them for it. I've never done anything that I believe you should get hard prison time for so I'm not really holding myself to a different standard than anybody else.

As for Cali, I think we put too many people away for drugs and drug related offenses. you'd really have to build more prisons if the Cali 3 strikes and you're out rule would work. I kinda like my way better, 1 strike and you're out for certain offenses.

they should stop arresting people who use drugs or who are in possession of them. and the gov't needs to quit telling people what they can and can't put into their bodies. how many people are in prison for drug related offenses? the only one I object too is driving under the influence. how much money and time and manpower is wasted trying to keep America from using the drugs they want to use? And it's a complete failure, hardly a dent has been put into the drug war.

build more prisons. no parole for anybody. no time off for good behavior. why? serve the time you were sentenced for. no more probation. if you get caught with a minor crime, 20 years in prison, no time off. serious crime...die. no need to keep murderers, rapists, and child molesters around is there? enough with this appeals ****. Once they're convicted, shoot them in the head and get it over with, it saves lots of time, space, and money. if it's not a 100% slam dunk that they are guilty, then life in prison, no chance to be let out. sure a small amount of innocent people will always get screwed no matter what the system...but in the long run a much larger, MUCH larger amount of innocent people will be saved. when are people gonna ****in wake up and stop letting child molesters go free? Rapists. and on and on. all the pedo's, for instance, in dateline's to catch a predator.....there is very little hard time. less than a year in prison and probation for many of them. how is probation a penalty? probation is basically a free pass for the first offense. Enough with the sympathy for the scum of the Earth and worrying that their penalties are too strict. Just one example, this past Dateline, they showed this rapist who molested three children like 20 years ago. he was let outta prison after like 2 years, he was caught trying to solicit sex from a 13 year old. This is just one example of many. I wonder what that guy's been up to since between the time he got outta prison for ruining three children's lives and when he was caught on tv trying to do it again....20 years in between, i'm sure he wasn't such a choir boy. he should have been either tortured and killed or just killed right after he was convicted or not too long after he was convicted of raping little children.

I need to be crowned Czar of the United States. There won't be any overcrowding in prisons, guaranteed. And everyone will feel safe to walk the streets at any time of the day or night too.

I like your way of thinking! Except for the drug thing, they can die too. I like the southwestern Asia laws, drug trafficing is punishable by death. What I also think is there should be just lawyers, none of this prosecutors and defense nonsense. That way there'd be none of this supposed corruption we talk about You should be hired to either defend your client or represent the state. And if they are trying to defend what they believe is a guilty person then they don't take the case. Anyways, yeah I agree with you, we don't need all these sicko's sitting in prison at the taxpayers expense.

kadrmas is correct that Texas' laws have been a miserable failure. I looked at the table recently on another site. Texas has the second highest incarceration rate in the country, almost 50% higher than the national average. California has only slightly lower total number of people in prison than Texas, but since the population is much greater than Texas their percentage is actually right at the national average or even slightly below. Texas never threatened to build enough facilities to keep pace with the strict laws. From 1978 until 2004, the Texas prison population increased 573% (from 22,439 to 151,059), while the state's total population increased just 67% (from 13.5 million to 22.5 million).

Louisiana had the highest percentage of incarcerated people. The percentages are lowest in the Northeast and highest in the South.

California's trend is they now are letting out significantly less long term prisoners than taking in, so overcrowding there will become more and more of a problem.

Isn't it scary how there are so many people that could possibly have committed this vicious attack and murder? That's what I find the most disturbing. I would like to think that in our society, this kind of thing would be easily pinpointed on one, sick person; unfortunately, there are just too many sick people out there to know.

Well I remember they did show a picture of him at the end of the Colleen Reed segment and I didn't really see a resemblance to the composite sketch in the Angela Hammond case. Here's a website with several pictures of him:

http://www.garylavergne.com/mcduffmugs.htm

What composite sketch? AFAIK no composite sketch of Angela's kidnapper was shown in the segment. :confused:

Isn't it scary how there are so many people that could possibly have committed this vicious attack and murder? That's what I find the most disturbing. I would like to think that in our society, this kind of thing would be easily pinpointed on one, sick person; unfortunately, there are just too many sick people out there to know.

Especially since chances are good this particular suspect was never arrested before. After all, she could have been his first abduction. Remember how he seemed hesitant, driving around the booth, coming and going, searching around to hide his nervousness? Even the little "I didn't need to use the phone booth anyway" quip looks more like a nervous brag to boast himself than a real monstrous comment aimed to hurt any eavesdropper. Nothing like the MO of Nich... I mean the NHSK, who was so used to it that he went straight to his victim without a hinch of nervousness.

Of course, we cherry-pick and focus on high-profile possibilities like McDuff, but I'd say 99.9% of chances the guy is an unknown specimen. Because, really, what are the odds an infamous criminal killed Angela Hammond? Because she is a memorable victim, we tend to believe only an equally memorable criminal, and not some Joe Schmoe from the bayou who neverdidit, abducted her in plain middle of a little country town.

Especially since chances are good this particular suspect was never arrested before. After all, she could have been his first abduction. Remember how he seemed hesitant, driving around the booth, coming and going, searching around to hide his nervousness? Even the little "I didn't need to use the phone booth anyway" quip looks more like a nervous brag to boast himself than a real monstrous comment aimed to hurt any eavesdropper. Nothing like the MO of Nich... I mean the NHSK, who was so used to it that he went straight to his victim without a hinch of nervousness.

Of course, we cherry-pick and focus on high-profile possibilities like McDuff, but I'd say 99.9% of chances the guy is an unknown specimen. Because, really, what are the odds an infamous criminal killed Angela Hammond? Because she is a memorable victim, we tend to believe only an equally memorable criminal, and not some Joe Schmoe from the bayou who neverdidit, abducted her in plain middle of a little country town.

Exactly, I agree completely. I will say that I can understand why people think McDuff might have done it, because usually sadistic killers, like the one who abducted and took off with Angela Hammond, cannot stop and don't just do it once. Also, in terms of him driving around the phone booth for a while, I distinctly remember on A & E's segment on McDuff, they mentioned that when he abducted Colleen Reed, he "circled around the car wash like a shark looking for prey." So, in that sense, I see that more as a similarity than sign of a "nervous" first time abductor.

Because McDuff was a vagrant type (always in a different car; always driving around drunk and/or high in different areas of Texas and other mid-western places) it's hard to exclude him as a suspect. And I have no doubt that he would NOT have admitted the killing of Hammond unless there was evidence and he could have gotten something for himself in exchange for the confession. Remember, two weeks before his execution, he was refusing to tell Reed's family where her body was because he might lose out on jail privileges. Truly a sick, disgusting excuse for a human being, and I hope that, in some way, the parole officers who let him loose were punished (I mean, technically I would think that the families of the victims could sue them for criminal neglect at minimum).

Didn't know they found Colleen Reed's body but they did according to this website.

http://www.garylavergne.com/mcduffvictims.htm

The Angela Hammond case was very sad, although I generally take an interest in serial killers I didn't know much about this McDuff guy until I did a little research.

The question I have is had McDuff moved to Missouri when Angela was abducted? Cause from everything I've read it sounds like he was still living in Texas at the time of the Hammond abduction.

Unfortunately, I think the chances he did it are relatively slim. We'd like to believe the trash who did this is dead or in prison, and he still could be.

Angela Hammond was a pretty high profile case, and McDuff denied doing it when he really had nothing to gain by doing so. In fact he might have had something to gain by admitting it, as leading the police to the body may have bought him some sort of stay of execution. Plus it being high profile it would seem likely that with nothing to gain by denying it he'd want to brag about it.

Unfortunately from everything I've read I think there is only about a five to ten percent chance he was the one involved.

What I wonder is if they ever question Angela's boyfriend Rob on the possibility that McDuff might have been the one? Of course Rob didn't get a good look at the assailant, but he still might have had a sense of the possibility that McDuff was the one he chased that night.

I dont know if McDuff did this or not, if i had to guess, i say no though. Hammond has yet to be found and i dont know if McDuff had a truck like the one seen. I still think the guy who did this is a man whose a drifter, he comes to a town, spots what he wants and gets it. She was in the wrong place at the wrong time. The guy is likely somewhere else now, maybe even in our own city and that's what scares me most.

There are some other message boards or threads that think Rob did the crime, i am NOT one of those people. I eliminate Rob for many reasons, it could be McDuff, but i dont know. if we find out that he did do this, then i am glad they got him, but i just question it still, did he have a similar truck to the one seen??? that's my big question on McDuff.

I say no. McDuff was still in the Waco area during Angela Hammond's abduction, does not fit the physical description she provided, and wouldn't move to Missouri until 1992. Most of his victims were prostitutes, whose murders I'm sure he probably believed wouldn't be as quickly solved or as thoroughly investigated by police. I don't see Kenneth McDuff driving all the way to a small town 75 miles outside Kansas City by himself (he was in the habit of bringing accomplices along when he strayed far from home, it seems).

I'm wondering if it is someone right under everyone's nose. And no, NOT Rob. I mean, consider Jacob Wetterling and how they are investigating so close to home. I wonder if more times than not it is someone local. Yes, there could always be the chance it wasn't, but just maybe it was a local guy.
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I say no. McDuff was still in the Waco area during Angela Hammond's abduction, does not fit the physical description she provided, and wouldn't move to Missouri until 1992. Most of his victims were prostitutes, whose murders I'm sure he probably believed wouldn't be as quickly solved or as thoroughly investigated by police. I don't see Kenneth McDuff driving all the way to a small town 75 miles outside Kansas City by himself (he was in the habit of bringing accomplices along when he strayed far from home, it seems).

Keep in mind, that description is based on secondhand information which originated from a frightened Angela and then went to a probably distraught Rob. So I question how reliable it is. Besides wasn't it sort of vague? I think Angela was focused mostly on the fact that the guy had on overalls and a dirty beard. And she isn't around to guide a sketch artist to do a composite drawing, so things like build and facial features are difficult to ascertain.

However, like you, from everything I am reading I think there is a very slim chance this guy was involved. But I'd still have to see more information than I've found to rule him out completely. I still haven't seen anything that definitively places him elsewhere besides Clinton at the time of the abduction. The abduction does sound like his MO, and I haven't seen anything to rule out him having that kind of vehicle. I also wonder if he was ever known to wear a beard and if he did at the time of angela's abduction, and also I'd be curious to know if they ever questioned Rob on the possibility of it being McDuff.

I don't think rules and MO apply to McDuff since he wasn't a typical serial killer. Several things about him are unusual for serial killers: his variety of victims, his occasional use of an accomplice......... things like that. Thats why its difficult to rule him out.

I'm wondering if it is someone right under everyone's nose
i dont think it's someone under the police's nose in Ohio, but i think the guy is a drifter who not many people will know. That's likely why he hasnt been caught.

It's really simple:

Kenneth McDuff was nowhere near Clinton, Missouri at the time, and would have been like a 2 hour drive to get there anyways.

It's really simple:

Kenneth McDuff was nowhere near Clinton, Missouri at the time, and would have been like a 2 hour drive to get there anyways.

Has this been proven? Missouri as far as interstate highways and good roads go is one of the most accessible locations in the country, you can get there pretty easily and be somewhere else in a relatively short amount. Unless its proven McDuff had a pretty air tight alibi not sure you can rule him out.

That being said I don't think it was him either, fact is I mentioned it the regular Hammond thread, there is a serial killer in prison in North Carolina who may be a stronger possibility than McDuff.

It's really simple:

Kenneth McDuff was nowhere near Clinton, Missouri at the time, and would have been like a 2 hour drive to get there anyways.

I just got thinking about it--wasn't Gretchen Burford's killer only in Palo Alto for the weekend or some such thing? If I remember the story correctly, he had traveled in for a funeral and actually lived somewhere far from California. Although I don't think McDuff abducted Angela, you can't necessarily rule out possible incidences similar to that.

EDIT: Here's a link about the Burford case. A few posts down someone was kind enough to repost an article--it details how Tyrone Hamel lived in Texas but had gone to California as I described.

Okay, since everyone doesn't get that, how about this:

Kenneth McDuff was far the physical description Angela gave to Rob. Not to mention, didn't McDuff abduct non-prostitutes with the help of a accomplice?

Not to mention, didn't McDuff abduct non-prostitutes with the help of a accomplice?

The overwhelming majority of Kenneth McDuff's crimes after his release from prison in 1989 were committed alone (I think the only exception was the 1991abduction and murder of Colleen Reed, in which he had an accomplice), and most of his victims were prostitutes.

Okay, since everyone doesn't get that, how about this:

Kenneth McDuff was far the physical description Angela gave to Rob. Not to mention, didn't McDuff abduct non-prostitutes with the help of a accomplice?

As I pointed out, the description was based on seconhand information from a scared Angela to a probably distraught Rob, so don't you think there might be some question how reliable it is?

Besides, Angela most described the abductor's truck and the fact that he was scruffy looking with a beard and glasses. I don't think she got into build and facial features. And she isn't around to guide a composite artist.

A beard and glasses can easily be a disguise, so that doesn't tell you much.

That being said, I think there is a relatively slim chance McDuff was the one involved, especialy after reading about this other guy.

But I don't think you can rule him out completely based on a secondhand vague description.

Just my opinion though.

I originally voted that he did it. I have changed my mind. For various reasons it is unlikely that McDuff did it but the distance is not reason to rule him out nor is the description. There was a case of a murder which took place in California where the perp was believed to be in Ohio but it was determined that it actually took place and the time line allowed him to drive all the way there and all the way back.

The major reason I would tend to disbelieve it was him was because the fairly recent report mentioned DNA recovered that the police believed would lead to a resolution of the case (there is a separate thread on that). If there was any DNA linked to McDuff and we can safely assume that was on file, this case would be declared solved. However, the body would never, in all likelihood, be recovered being that McDuff is long dead.

Bottom line: Follow the evidence and eliminate suspects.

Unfortunately, there is another one: Ted Anthony Prevatte. He and William Jordan killed a man named James Rouse in 1974. According to the UM segment that aired in 1996, both Jordan and Prevatte were sentenced to death, but their sentences were both commuted to life in prison. While Jordan later escaped and is still on the run, Prevatte was eventually paroled, but killed again, and was sent back to death row.

I have read about several of Kenneth McDuffs killings and I find some very interesting things of note. Kenneth McDuff often used a truck to kidnapp his victims. One case of a victim of McDuffs erriely resembles Angela Hammonds case. I voted for McDuff as a possible killer of Angela Hammond because I feel it is possible. You can't look at McDuffs clean shaven appearance and rule him out. People change their looks all the time. Serial killers change their looks all the time. That being said McDuff is dead so we won't hear from him anytime soon. So I can't say with 100% certainty that McDuff killed Angela. I do know we have heard of no abductions similar to Angies since McDuff was executed. Also McDuff lived in Kansas City during Angies dissapearance. All that makes him a suspect to me, unless the police can account for his whereabouts during Angelas abduction. Now can I say for sure McDuff did it? No. I, like everyone else on here, could be wrong. But I am dissapointed the results of the poll don't at least show something closer to 50%. I wish that Angela would be found for her families sake. I know they suffer every night wondering where she is. I feel Angie is in heaven but I still wish she was found. As for her abductor, who ever he is, may he suffer in this life and the next. I'll concede that I could be wrong about McDuff but you don't see the cluster of missing women in Western Missouri that you once did so that tells me the killer has moved, is dead, or is in prison. Most serial killers don't get the super killer status of operating 20 years before their caught. Usually serial killers, despite what you have heard, are either caught or kill themselfs in less than 10 years. So, though I admit I could be wrong, I think Angela's abductor is either dead or in prison. The only scenario where I don't think thats the case is if we have all been fooled by the boyfriend. The police certainly don't believe the boyfriend was involved so why should we. The boyfriend seems sincere and I certainly have a tendency to believe him. So barring that scenario I believe the abductor of Angela is no longer in society and is quite possibly dead. Just my thoughts. May God Bless The Family. I'm so sorry Angela has not been found. May she some day be brought home to you so you can have closure. Sincerely, Bryan.

I have read about several of Kenneth McDuffs killings and I find some very interesting things of note. Kenneth McDuff often used a truck to kidnapp his victims. One case of a victim of McDuffs erriely resembles Angela Hammonds case. I voted for McDuff as a possible killer of Angela Hammond because I feel it is possible. You can't look at McDuffs clean shaven appearance and rule him out. People change their looks all the time. Serial killers change their looks all the time. That being said McDuff is dead so we won't hear from him anytime soon. So I can't say with 100% certainty that McDuff killed Angela. I do know we have heard of no abductions similar to Angies since McDuff was executed. Also McDuff lived in Kansas City during Angies dissapearance. All that makes him a suspect to me, unless the police can account for his whereabouts during Angelas abduction. Now can I say for sure McDuff did it? No. I, like everyone else on here, could be wrong. But I am dissapointed the results of the poll don't at least show something closer to 50%. I wish that Angela would be found for her families sake. I know they suffer every night wondering where she is. I feel Angie is in heaven but I still wish she was found. As for her abductor, who ever he is, may he suffer in this life and the next. I'll concede that I could be wrong about McDuff but you don't see the cluster of missing women in Western Missouri that you once did so that tells me the killer has moved, is dead, or is in prison. Most serial killers don't get the super killer status of operating 20 years before their caught. Usually serial killers, despite what you have heard, are either caught or kill themselfs in less than 10 years. So, though I admit I could be wrong, I think Angela's abductor is either dead or in prison. The only scenario where I don't think thats the case is if we have all been fooled by the boyfriend. The police certainly don't believe the boyfriend was involved so why should we. The boyfriend seems sincere and I certainly have a tendency to believe him. So barring that scenario I believe the abductor of Angela is no longer in society and is quite possibly dead. Just my thoughts. May God Bless The Family. I'm so sorry Angela has not been found. May she some day be brought home to you so you can have closure. Sincerely, Bryan.

Thanks for the post, and welcome to the forum :wave: I was surprised to read that McDuff was living in Kansas City at the time of Hammond's abduction. Where did you find that out? The consensus seemed to be that he was still living in Texas.

I also totally agree with you about McDuff's appearance. In fact, I have seen a photo of him with long hair and he actually looks very much like the type of man described by Angela. If I recall, the photo was either on the A&E documentary of him, or it was in the book "Bad Boy of Rosebud."

We might never know for sure, but I think it is possible he did it. The similarities between Hammond's abduction and Reed's are pretty striking to me.

Thanks for the post, and welcome to the forum :wave: I was surprised to read that McDuff was living in Kansas City at the time of Hammond's abduction. Where did you find that out? The consensus seemed to be that he was still living in Texas.

I also totally agree with you about McDuff's appearance. In fact, I have seen a photo of him with long hair and he actually looks very much like the type of man described by Angela. If I recall, the photo was either on the A&E documentary of him, or it was in the book "Bad Boy of Rosebud."

We might never know for sure, but I think it is possible he did it. The similarities between Hammond's abduction and Reed's are pretty striking to me.
It's well kown that McDuff was a garbage man in Kansas City during the time frame of Angela's Abduction. I'm not saying McDuff is the abductor but I don't think anyone can rule him out. Now as for the description we all should know that people change the way they look and eyewitness descriptions are full of inaccuracies. So I put little faith in the description alone. Now one poster listed that the Police recently found DNA evidence? However DNA alone may not mean nothing. I am sure your asking why? Well perhaps the DNA proved to be unviable? In other words it was damaged and no accurate DNA profile could be obtained. Perhaps the labs are backed up, and DNA profiles take some time to develop, that the Police don't have the results back yet. It still does not mean it was'nt McDuff. Yes I believe that if the DNA profile ultimately points to McDuff that the Police will announce it at some point. I would also be interested in how they obtained DNA? I mean was it from the phone or Angela's car? You also have the hurdle of contamination. Can the DNA be tied to one suspect and did any contamination damage the DNA sample. But again I will admit I could be totally wrong. It could be some one else other than McDuff. I to believe you follow the evidence. Evidence will lead to the guilty party whom ever he is. My hope is that the DNA is good, no cross contamination, and then I hope it can be tied to a suspect. In a perfect world the DNA would be tied to a named suspect. My only concern is when the DNA was found. If it was several years ago I would be concerned why nothing further was released about the DNA. But the police keep certain things held back so that, when a suspect is found, they have no contamination of ideas in the case. Well I hope for Angela's family that Justice is done soon. God Bless All Victims. Joe.

Thanks for the post, and welcome to the forum :wave: I was surprised to read that McDuff was living in Kansas City at the time of Hammond's abduction. Where did you find that out? The consensus seemed to be that he was still living in Texas.

I also totally agree with you about McDuff's appearance. In fact, I have seen a photo of him with long hair and he actually looks very much like the type of man described by Angela. If I recall, the photo was either on the A&E documentary of him, or it was in the book "Bad Boy of Rosebud."

We might never know for sure, but I think it is possible he did it. The similarities between Hammond's abduction and Reed's are pretty striking to me.
Kenneth Allen McDuff was arrested under the Alias of Richard Fowler on 4/1992 in a Prostitute Sting in Kansas City, MO. This was after Angela's Dissapearance. However much of McDuff's whereabouts, in the year of 1991 is unverifiable. He had skipped parole. However I was mistaken on one account. It can't be conclusively proven that McDuff lived in Kansas during Angela's dissapearance but it is conclusive that he was in Kansas City a year later. So that scenario makes McDuff a less likely suspect but again much of 1991 is unaccounted for when it comes to McDuff. But again after learning what I just learned I do place McDuff as a less likely suspect than my previous post indicates. However because McDuffs 1991 escapades can not be completely verified it is still possible that McDuff was in the Kansas City area at some point in 1991. May Justice Be Served, Bryan.

Kenneth Allen McDuff was arrested under the Alias of Richard Fowler on 4/1992 in a Prostitute Sting in Kansas City, MO. This was after Angela's Dissapearance. However much of McDuff's whereabouts, in the year of 1991 is unverifiable. He had skipped parole. However I was mistaken on one account. It can't be conclusively proven that McDuff lived in Kansas during Angela's dissapearance but it is conclusive that he was in Kansas City a year later. So that scenario makes McDuff a less likely suspect but again much of 1991 is unaccounted for when it comes to McDuff. But again after learning what I just learned I do place McDuff as a less likely suspect than my previous post indicates. However because McDuffs 1991 escapades can not be completely verified it is still possible that McDuff was in the Kansas City area at some point in 1991. May Justice Be Served, Bryan.
After further research it appears that if McDuff abducted Angela he done it between known crime sprees and he done it while traveling. He was not confirmed to be living in Kansas City until 1992. But with McDuff having moved there I would assume that 1992 was not his first time he was in KC. But now I see why folks put McDuff low on the suspect list. It is still possible that McDuff was passing through Clinton MO and Angela was a victim of opportunity but it certainly appears less likely that McDuff is the guy. Sorry, should have done more research. However having said that I will remind folks that much of 1991 is unaccounted for in Kenneth McDuff's whereabouts. So anyways lets all hope a viable suspect is identified soon. God Bless, Bryan.

Okay, since everyone doesn't get that, how about this:

Kenneth McDuff was far the physical description Angela gave to Rob. Not to mention, didn't McDuff abduct non-prostitutes with the help of a accomplice?
I have done further research and I will say that McDuff was not confirmed to be in Kansas City until April of 1992. However much of McDuff's whereabouts in 1991 were not known conclusively. As far as physical description please! Most of those are wrong anyhow. People can and do change their appearance so please don't base a possible suspect being excluded based on description alone. Also Serial Killers are smart. They don't always follow patterns. Sure some serial killers abduct prostitutes but it does not mean they won't abduct a person at random who appears to be an easy target. After my research I think McDuff is a low probability suspect. At first I thought he was a high Probability suspect. I was wrong. But I base my new opinion on a few things. First McDuff never admitted to abducting Angela and he really had nothing to lose by not telling the truth. Now I have seen killers denie the sky is blue before so it's not out of the realm of possiblity that McDuff lied for some sick reason but still I have to consider the fact that he did not confess. Second is the fact that we can not conclusively place McDuff in Missouri during Angela's abduction. However just because it can not be proved does not mean it did not happen. Much of McDuff's whereabouts were not conclusively known in 1991. Of course when he was captured he filled in those details but all we have is his word on it. It's not out of the realm of possibility that McDuff traveled regularly between Texas and Missouri and happened upon Clinton MO, and abducted Angela in a crime of opportunity. Now having said that I think thats a low probability. But not impossible. So I now think the killer is likely someone other than McDuff based on current evidence. But it still not impossible for McDuff to be the abductor. Good Day, Bryan.

It's really simple:

Kenneth McDuff was nowhere near Clinton, Missouri at the time, and would have been like a 2 hour drive to get there anyways.
No one knows conclusively where Kenneth McDuff was. All they have is his word but based on obvious lack of evidence I have to assume McDuff is a low probability suspect. But I still think it's possible he committed the crime just less likely that he did. Good Night Joe.

A question rocker88--you sign off alternatively as Bryan and Joe--why is this?

A question rocker88--you sign off alternatively as Bryan and Joe--why is this?
Because I like my privacy!!! Good Day, Joe, Bryan, Mike, Andy, or what ever other name you wish to call me.

The man that Angela described to Rob could totally be McDuff's accomplice, Alva Hank Worley. She pretty much describes him to the tee.
The Hammond kidnapping was 100% their M.O.
They Abducted Coleen Reed at night in a public place, just like Angel and McDuff at one point owned a pick up truck...

"Another of the missing women, Regenia Moore, was last seen kicking and screaming in the cab of McDuff's pickup truck."

For all we know McDuff was in the back of the pick up truck and both of them converged on her.

This is a picture of Alva....
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/210/alvaw.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/210/alvaw.jpg

The man that Angela described to Rob could totally be McDuff's accomplice, Alva Hank Worley. She pretty much describes him to the tee.
The Hammond kidnapping was 100% their M.O.
They Abducted Coleen Reed at night in a public place, just like Angel and McDuff at one point owned a pick up truck...

"Another of the missing women, Regenia Moore, was last seen kicking and screaming in the cab of McDuff's pickup truck."

For all we know McDuff was in the back of the pick up truck and both of them converged on her.

This is a picture of Alva....
http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/210/alvaw.jpg

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/210/alvaw.jpg

Still, it's a little 'out there' in terms of logic.

Yes it may be "out there" but it seems that abducting women from public places isn't all that logical for a criminal, you would think that the person(s) had done it before to commit such a brazen act.

The M.O.s are similar and it was in a state where McDuff was known to be around that time.

Okay, it is entirely possible that Kenneth McDuff murdered Angela Hammond. However there are certain things about it that dont add up. The biggest one being if McDuff in fact killed her I think he would have admitted to it. McDuff was already in prison and serving time on death row when he was asked if he had anything to do with her disapperance and he denied any involvement.

I didn't know he was questioned about it. Do you have a source for that? I'd be interested in reading it.

I'm pretty sure from everything I've read McDuff didn't do this one. From everything I can gather, he was enrolled at Waco Technical Institute at the time and was praying on prostitutes, selling drugs to students, and things like that. Its not that he didn't have the means, but why drive all the way to an obscure place like Clinton, Missouri for a victim when you have all that going on right where you are at? McDuff was known to move around but at the time I think he was rooted where he was, he didn't start moving around for victims until later that year.

He had a victim named Valencia something only about a month before Angela Hammond and that was around Waco.

Not only that, but I've read McDuff often bragged about his murders like the classic scumbag, if he killed Angela Hammond I can't help but think he would have bragged about it at some time or another, especially on death row with nothing to lose. In fact a case like that could have easily bought him more time if he'd done it.

I think he was capable of pulling this one off, just don't think he did. Larry Hall in my opinion is a stronger suspect, because he was pretty much always in transit from what I could gather and was definitely active at the time.

i dont think so, though it could be possible. i still think the guy is an out of towner who saw a sick opportunity.