View Full Version : Jury deliberating in Kimberly Pandelios murder
Awsi Dooger 02-14-2006, 08:55 PM I've been following this for a few days and it's a long deliberation. The jury got the case on February 7 and a full week later there is no indication of a verdict, either in the local press or the website dedicated to Kimberly Pandelios. One reason for a long deliberation could be secretly taped conversations with the defendant's girlfriend in which he repeatedly denied being the killer, and suggested the police had been trying to hang the charge on him for 14 years.
This was the UM case in which a man was convinced he saw Kimberly in a camping area, only to be scared off by three men. It was later believed to be connected to the November 1995 murder of model Linda Sobek, based on locale. A different man was convicted of that crime.
Here's a summary, followed by a few additional links:http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20060207-2119-ca-modelmurder.html
LOS ANGELES – Deliberations began Tuesday in the trial of a 42-year-old registered sex offender accused of killing a professional model whose skeletal remains were found in 1993 in the Angeles National Forest, a year after her disappearance.
The jury began considering the fate of David Rademaker of Burbank after hearing closing arguments from prosecutors and defense attorneys, who gave sharply different accounts of the evidence.
Prosecutors accuse Rademaker of luring Kimberly Pandelios with the offer of a possible photo shoot, then raping her and drowning her in a creek when she resisted.
Pandelios, 21, was last seen Feb. 27, 1992, when she told her husband that she was meeting with a photographer named Paul. Her partial remains were discovered March 1993 by hikers in the San Gabriel Mountains northeast of Los Angeles.
Investigators with the county Sheriff's Department's unsolved homicides unit relied on interviews with witnesses and telephone records discovered in 1992 to arrest Rademaker. In March 2004, a grand jury indicted him on charges of murder and the special circumstances of kidnapping and sodomy."
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/6479033/detail.html
http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_3485601
http://kimpandelios.com/
Awsi Dooger 02-15-2006, 09:57 PM The jury convicted David Rademaker of first degree murder on Wednesday, after 4 1/2 days of deliberation. This link seems to have the most detailed summary of the case and the trial: http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3910427
LooksLikeCRicci 02-16-2006, 11:27 AM Sweet. This guy totally needs to be behind bars. I'm glad that a jury felt the same way.
LooksLikeCRicci 02-16-2006, 11:27 AM Sweet. This guy totally needs to be behind bars. I'm glad that a jury felt the same way.
Mr. Fuji 02-16-2006, 03:59 PM Sweet. This guy totally needs to be behind bars. I'm glad that a jury felt the same way.
A statement well worth repeating! ;)
crystaldawn 02-16-2006, 05:35 PM Thanks for the timely update Awsi! :)
khsgrad2001 02-27-2006, 12:28 PM involved from the eyewitness who saw kimberly
involved from the eyewitness who saw kimberly
That was mentioned in some of the articles as well. The defense suggested that biker-types were involved, and one of the articles briefly mentioned that the case was featured on UM.
If David Rademaker is guilty as the jury decided, then I don't think he acted alone. But I suspect there's not evidence to arrest anyone else.
ferrariboy 12-13-2006, 12:58 PM EDITED.
sdb4884 03-30-2010, 05:20 AM Was there any link to the murder of Kimberley Pandelios to the murder of Linda Sobeck?
Was there any link to the murder of Kimberley Pandelios to the murder of Linda Sobeck?
Aside from the fact that they were both models, little or none. Charles Rathbun was convicted of Linda Sobek's murder. Although some witnesses reported seeing Charles Rathbun in company with Kimberly a month before she was murdered, there has been no proof that he was involved in the murder.
biscuitgirl 03-31-2010, 01:44 PM If Rademaker did in fact kill Kimberly, I would love to know how the whole "mountain men" sighting came into play. Was that even for real??
If Rademaker did in fact kill Kimberly, I would love to know how the whole "mountain men" sighting came into play. Was that even for real??
According to published reports, David Rademaker had seen the UM segment. He also reportedly told a girlfried that the theory discussed in the segment was wrong, thinking it was just the cops' way of convincing the killer to lower his guard.
But whether or not there is any truth to the sighting of "mountain men", one thing is certain: If anyone else (besides Rademaker) was involved in Kim's murder, there is currently not enough evidence to prove it.
kadrmas15 04-06-2010, 06:42 AM Hmm, I hate to say it, but I am not convinced that Rademaker actually killed Pandelios. I am troubled by the lack of forensic or other physical evidence. Eyewitness and telephone records? Sounds pretty weak to me. I do not think the jury was really completely convinced either even though they convicted him. 4 and a half days of deliberations and then he gets LWOP? No, I do not think they were totally convinced he did it. But he had the misfortune of being a sex offender. Sex offenders are hated and presumed guilty by the majority of the American public so why not convict him? After all, get another sex offender off the streets that way even if you are not really convinced he actually did what he was accused of.
This case had one of the scariest composites for me ever!! The creepy mountain man with the pig nose!! Ohhh so creepy!! I had the hardest time ever getting up in the middle of the night to pee! I kept seeing his face :eek:
XCalibur 05-17-2010, 12:21 PM So that sighting of the three men in the woods and Kimberly by that guy driving off road was just a hoax?
I always thought that there were three of them and this guy on trial was just one of them. One of the ones off to the sides whose face was covered by hair.
Hambone2421 05-20-2010, 10:59 AM OK, I'm confused. The witness that appeared on UM stated that he saw Kimberly with 3 biker men. Yet this guy is the only one arrested. Also, prior to his arrest, he supposedly told his girlfriend that the cops theory is wrong and are trying to trap the killer. I obviously think he is guilty based on his comments and other evidence, but, was the supposed eyewitness actually an eyewitness or did the cops just say this to trap the killer?
soilentgreen 05-20-2010, 11:47 AM Brad Leon (he used an alias on UM) was the witness. He was called by Rademaker's defense, but police felt that Leon was well intentioned but mistaken.
http://musclys.blogspot.com/2006/03/drowned-dreams.html
Either he encountered a blond woman and a couple of creeps out of Deliverance, or he made up the story entirely.
Hambone2421 05-20-2010, 12:20 PM Brad Leon (he used an alias on UM) was the witness. He was called by Rademaker's defense, but police felt that Leon was well intentioned but mistaken.
http://musclys.blogspot.com/2006/03/drowned-dreams.html
Either he encountered a blond woman and a couple of creeps out of Deliverance, or he made up the story entirely.
Is that your webpage, soilent green?
soilentgreen 05-20-2010, 01:25 PM Is that your webpage, soilent green?
No; I don't have a blog. The article is originally from the L.A. Daily News (another link I tried to post on here wouldn't work).
Coffeeface 02-15-2011, 01:47 PM I am confused just as everyone else is on this case. The witness saw Kimberly at the camp with 3 hillbillies? If she was drowned how were her remains found at the same camp that the witness had seen her at? Where are the other 2 scary a$$ hillbillies?
I'm glad they got a creeper off of the street....just hope it was the right creeper. :confused:
I am confused just as everyone else is on this case. The witness saw Kimberly at the camp with 3 hillbillies? If she was drowned how were her remains found at the same camp that the witness had seen her at? Where are the other 2 scary a$$ hillbillies?
I knew that the eyewitness account was mentioned during David Rademaker's trial. If Rademaker was in fact one of the hillbillies the witness saw, it would certainly give weight to the theory that there was more than one perpetrator involved the crime. And if that theory is true, then the authorities may have only obtained enough evidence to arrest Rademaker but still have too little evidence (if any) to make any other arrests in the case.
As for how Kimberly's remains were found in the same camp after being drowned, I suppose the killer or killers merely decided to put her body back there. Maybe that was done so that someone would find the body (or remains)? I guess that's something only her killer(s) would know.
Judyhymesisalive 04-02-2016, 07:42 PM I know i shouldn't joke about a girl getting murdered but the actors in the UM segment for this were hilarious and creepy! ' Get out of here MAN... whats your problem MAN, and the guy who hid his face by his hair.
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