I notice there is so much love for Crash here, what about Brokeback?

I am surprised at all the late night talk show jokes about the movie.

I find it funny that some moviegoers on other boards can't discriminate between personal opinions and art. One guy on HomeTheaterForum pissed a lot of people off by attacking the movie and saying he refuses to see it because of his stand on homosexuality. But for crying out loud, I don't think very many people condoned cannibalism and it didn't stop us from watching Silence Of The Lambs (which was an Oscar-winner and deserved every Oscar it won), people who hate the idea of war still watched Saving Private Ryan, so why is Brokeback any different? It actually doesn't have a happy ending so you don't have to worry about it being one of those happy gay pride movies (or whatever). It's a beautiful, heartbreaking story about love and loss, and it has beautiful cinematography and whether you were pulling for them to get together or disagree with their lifestyles, you can't say the movie doesn't stick with you after it ends.

Jake Gyllenhaal was great, but the real find IMO was Heath Ledger. Jake has already shown he's a good actor (okay, Bubble Boy is forgiven) but up until now, Heath has pretty much only taken "pretty boy" roles, in The Patriot, 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knights Tale, etc... he was mostly cast to bring in young girls (and gay boys) and pretty much made off in those movies making pretty faces into the camera, but with Brokeback, he really has shown that he is a talented actor and has a real future ahead of him.

I wanna watch this movie sooooooooooooo bad. It's not playing at the theater I work at, so I have to go elsewhere.

I freakin' LOVE this movie. Anyone who can't look past the 'gay cowboy' aspect is missing out on an important message here, a message about a lost chance at happiness. I feel it's a message we should all be able to relate, gay or straight and it honestly shouldn't matter. The movie touched me in so many ways and I really hope it takes home some Oscars.

I agree with what you said about Heath Ledger. This movie really made his acting abilities shine. While the character of Ennis was a hard one to play, I think Jake did a phenomenal job with the character of Jack as well. The tenderness and heartbreak was conveyed so well through his eyes, his facial expressions, the intonation in his voice. He did an excellent job and I honestly don't consider him to be the 'supporting actor' here. For me, they were equally wonderful in different ways.

Ahh, talking about it makes me want to see it again :D

Crash is getting talked up so much, because it was an excellent film. The best of the year as far as I'm concerned. It truly deserves to win best picture, although it probably won't because of Brokeback. Despite what people say, Brokeback is the favorite, not because it is the best film, but because of the "gay" theme. IMHO.

I really hope it does win. Everything about the film was top notch. I know a lot of people LOVE Crash, but I don't understand it at all. In my opinion, it was the most overrated film of the year. I thought it was boring and predictable. Yes, the acting was good, but that didn't do it for me. It was like give me a break...yes, we're all lovely deep down, and there's always something that makes us all just human in the end. :sleep2:

I actually wouldn't mind seeing Capote win Best Picture, either, but I know that will never happen, so I'm going with Brokeback.

I notice there is so much love for Crash here, what about Brokeback?

I am surprised at all the late night talk show jokes about the movie.

I find it funny that some moviegoers on other boards can't discriminate between personal opinions and art. One guy on HomeTheaterForum pissed a lot of people off by attacking the movie and saying he refuses to see it because of his stand on homosexuality. But for crying out loud, I don't think very many people condoned cannibalism and it didn't stop us from watching Silence Of The Lambs (which was an Oscar-winner and deserved every Oscar it won), people who hate the idea of war still watched Saving Private Ryan, so why is Brokeback any different? It actually doesn't have a happy ending so you don't have to worry about it being one of those happy gay pride movies (or whatever). It's a beautiful, heartbreaking story about love and loss, and it has beautiful cinematography and whether you were pulling for them to get together or disagree with their lifestyles, you can't say the movie doesn't stick with you after it ends.

Jake Gyllenhaal was great, but the real find IMO was Heath Ledger. Jake has already shown he's a good actor (okay, Bubble Boy is forgiven) but up until now, Heath has pretty much only taken "pretty boy" roles, in The Patriot, 10 Things I Hate About You, A Knights Tale, etc... he was mostly cast to bring in young girls (and gay boys) and pretty much made off in those movies making pretty faces into the camera, but with Brokeback, he really has shown that he is a talented actor and has a real future ahead of him.

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.
They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.


Ok why would a straight guy be interested in a gay movie? Most straight men have no interest in things like that. And why should a straight be criticized if has no interest in gay movies? Please tell me.

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them. You can have your own opinion and critizies others,and so can I.


just as you may choose to support the girl scouts by buying cookies, or the little league by buying candy bars. I don't watch movies or Television with gay themes. Will and Grace don't come on on my TV.

I never criticized gay people, what they do behind closed doors is their business, I just don't wanna see it AT ALL. The only person criticizing anyone is YOU.

just as you may choose to support the girl scouts by buying cookies, or the little league by buying candy bars. I don't watch movies or Television with gay themes. Will and Grace don't come on on my TV.

I never criticized gay people, what they do behind closed doors is their business, I just don't wanna see it AT ALL. The only person criticizing anyone is YOU.

Will and Grace is HARDLY gay. I don't necessarily say a show where the gay characters are so straight-washed out that it's not even funny and the hetero characters are the only ones who've scored at all over eight seasons is hardly "queer television". The makers of Queer As Folk even vocally attacked how safe Will And Grace was. Will And Grace qualifies as realistic gay television about as much as The Cosby Show qualifies as realistic African-American television. If a movie or TV show is good, and happens to have a gay character, why refuse to watch it? If you won't watch W&G, then you really have issues with being gay... you cannot even begin to compare that show with Queer As Folk and The L Word, shows that actually ARE about gays.

and why did you defend Neo-Nazis on the thread about Jacob whatshisname?

They will always make "gay movies" you're gonna have to live with it,I supported gay movies or gay themes I also support horror,comedy, etc. Why do you don't want to see more 'Gay ' movies, Do you think your to good for them,or you will turn'gay' by wacthing them.
Like TVresearcher said, a straight male is not going to be intersted in a gay themed movie. You also don't see Horror films winning or being nominated for an Academy award either. All this hoopla over two guys doing each other is really rediculous.

I don't understand this bull**** about "straights are not interested in watching a gay themed movie". I am gay, and there are many, many, many HETEROSEXUAL THEMED MOVIES that I love and have on DVD. I see hypocrisy, if I see a straight love story that looks like a good movie, you don't see me going "well, I don't like the opposite sex... so I can't identify with this love story", yea right!! Get off your high horses, there is no difference with heterosexual audiences watching Brokeback Mountain and with homosexual audiences watching Titanic or Pretty Woman or literally any "chick flick" that tells a love story. I love Pretty Woman, it's one of my favorite movies ever made, I have no "I can't identify with this" feelings because it was a love story between a man and a woman.

And Comedyfreak, have you ever stopped to think that critics and audiences love this movie because maybe it's a GOOD MOVIE? A number of gay-themed movies come out every year that aren't as good as Brokeback and do not get the same attention.

following the same bull**** logic that critics only like Brokeback because it's gay-related... then Crash is only getting all this attention because there's still racial tension going on in the US and you still hear about white cops shooting innocent black men. Therefore the only reason people like Crash is because of the racial overtones..... If you're gonna say one, then the other is true too.

Why didn't D.E.B.S. get nominations this year too then? that was a gay-themed love story and you didn't see any nominations there. Why wasn't Trick or Kiss Me Guido or Go Fish or countless other gay movies recognized by the Academy?

Why didn't people object and say there was political reasoning why Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (FILMED BY THE SAME DIRECTOR AS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN!!!!) was nominated for countless Oscars a few years back? Why is one of his movies okay, and the other isn't?

I Won't watch it because I do not wanna see more "gay" movies being released. If one is supported, the companies will ask "why no make another".

My opinion love me or hate me for it.

why are "gay" movies hurting you? I mean, I hate reality TV, but I'm not going to say "no more reality tv ever", because some people do like it. Why is it so bad if gays and lesbians have movies out there that WE can identify with? the more you oppress us, the worse it's gonna get down the road. You know one of the reasons you cannot escape rap on MTV now is basically karmic payback for MTV refusing to play black artists in the early 1980's, right? The more people try to hold gays back, the worse gays are gonna suffocate you down the road. Let them make the gay movies and just don't see them. Queer cinema isn't going anywhere.

Crash is getting talked up so much, because it was an excellent film. The best of the year as far as I'm concerned. It truly deserves to win best picture, although it probably won't because of Brokeback. Despite what people say, Brokeback is the favorite, not because it is the best film, but because of the "gay" theme. IMHO.

just curiously, did you see Brokeback or just basing it on what you assume the movie is?

If anything the controversy over the movie might hurt it in the long run, kinda like how The Crying Game likely didn't win Best Picture because of the "secret" about Jaye Davidson's character. It really is a good movie and it has nothing to do with gay or straight, because I hate a lot of the so-called "queer movies" that are released and I hate Will And Grace, and grew tired of Queer As Folk very quickly, but I did think Brokeback Mountain is a good movie, not good gay movie, but good movie period.

following the same bull**** logic that critics only like Brokeback because it's gay-related... then Crash is only getting all this attention because there's still racial tension going on in the US and you still hear about white cops shooting innocent black men. Therefore the only reason people like Crash is because of the racial overtones..... If you're gonna say one, then the other is true too.

Why didn't D.E.B.S. get nominations this year too then? that was a gay-themed love story and you didn't see any nominations there. Why wasn't Trick or Kiss Me Guido or Go Fish or countless other gay movies recognized by the Academy?

Why didn't people object and say there was political reasoning why Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon (FILMED BY THE SAME DIRECTOR AS BROKEBACK MOUNTAIN!!!!) was nominated for countless Oscars a few years back? Why is one of his movies okay, and the other isn't?



I rather watch a basketball game-lol

I rather watch a basketball game-lol

how would you like it if someone started attacking Good Times and Fresh Prince and other shows and brought in "why would a white person want to watch those shows?", IMO, that is no different than straight people objecting to seeing Will And Grace because there's gays it, no difference at all.

BTW, I find Will And Grace unfunny, overrated and way too reliant on special guest stars... but it baffles me to see people hate that show for homophobic reasons because it is so not all that gay and it's not like they've ever gotten political the way Queer As Folk got.

I'm not homophobic, but I really have no interest in seeing the movie.
Love stories (with gay or straight characters) don't appeal to me.

why are "gay" movies hurting you? I mean, I hate reality TV, but I'm not going to say "no more reality tv ever", because some people do like it. Why is it so bad if gays and lesbians have movies out there that WE can identify with? the more you oppress us, the worse it's gonna get down the road. You know one of the reasons you cannot escape rap on MTV now is basically karmic payback for MTV refusing to play black artists in the early 1980's, right? The more people try to hold gays back, the worse gays are gonna suffocate you down the road. Let them make the gay movies and just don't see them. Queer cinema isn't going anywhere.

I do not watch reality TV, because I do not like it. I do not watch MTV because I hate rap music. I dont watch queer movies because I dislike queers. Thanks for proving my point.

I don't understand this bull**** about "straights are not interested in watching a gay themed movie". I am gay, and there are many, many, many HETEROSEXUAL THEMED MOVIES that I love and have on DVD. I see hypocrisy, if I see a straight love story that looks like a good movie, you don't see me going "well, I don't like the opposite sex... so I can't identify with this love story", yea right!! Get off your high horses, there is no difference with heterosexual audiences watching Brokeback Mountain and with homosexual audiences watching Titanic or Pretty Woman or literally any "chick flick" that tells a love story. I love Pretty Woman, it's one of my favorite movies ever made, I have no "I can't identify with this" feelings because it was a love story between a man and a woman.
And Comedyfreak, have you ever stopped to think that critics and audiences love this movie because maybe it's a GOOD MOVIE? A number of gay-themed movies come out every year that aren't as good as Brokeback and do not get the same attention.

I didn't like these movies. I rarely see a love story that I like. Why would I want to watch a love story about gay cowboys? That is about as realistic as Star Wars.

I do not watch reality TV, because I do not like it. I do not watch MTV because I hate rap music. I dont watch queer movies because I dislike queers. Thanks for proving my point.

do you dislike queers because you have religious feelings, or because you're just really uncomfortable about two men together? The queers don't necessarily harbor rosy feelings towards those who dislike us either.

But there's a difference with not liking something and saying they should stop making movies that appeal to a certain market because you're not in that market. I don't like hip hop or reality tv, but there are others who do, and they have the right to enjoy it to their hearts desire instead of saying hip hop should be outlawed because I don't listen to it. I just listen to other music, but don't say they need to stop making hip hop music. There is an audience out there for gay movies and television, and many straight heterosexuals enjoy them too (I remember when Queer As Folk was at it's peak, a statistic said that straight women outnumbered gay men in the audience for that show 3 to 1), just because YOU personally don't like it doesn't mean everyone who does should sudden;y be deprived of it.

do you dislike queers because you have religious feelings, or because you're just really uncomfortable about two men together? The queers don't necessarily harbor rosy feelings towards those who dislike us either.

But there's a difference with not liking something and saying they should stop making movies that appeal to a certain market because you're not in that market. I don't like hip hop or reality tv, but there are others who do, and they have the right to enjoy it to their hearts desire instead of saying hip hop should be outlawed because I don't listen to it. I just listen to other music, but don't say they need to stop making hip hop music. There is an audience out there for gay movies and television, and many straight heterosexuals enjoy them too (I remember when Queer As Folk was at it's peak, a statistic said that straight women outnumbered gay men in the audience for that show 3 to 1), just because YOU personally don't like it doesn't mean everyone who does should sudden;y be deprived of it.



NO STRAIGHT GUY WANT TO WATCH A LOVE SCENE BETWEEN TWO GAY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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NO STRAIGHT GUY WANT TO WATCH A LOVE SCENE BETWEEN TWO GAY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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So why do a lot of straight guys like to watch love scenes between two women?

NO STRAIGHT GUY WANT TO WATCH A LOVE SCENE BETWEEN TWO GAY GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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will you please answer me why it's so much different for straight people to watch gays in a movie, than it is for gays to watch heterosexuals in movies? And please stop speaking as if you have surveyed every straight guy on the planet before coming out with your findings.

BTW, anyone who ONLY thinks of Brokeback Mountain as love scenes between two gay guys totally misses the mark. That's like saying Titanic is only about the nude scene where Jack paints Rose, or like saying Pretty Woman is only about Julia Roberts being a hooker.

So why do a lot of straight guys like to watch love scenes between two women?


Because I'm a straight male

Because I'm a straight male
Not a good explanation. :p

Originally Posted by Karen Foster
So why do a lot of straight guys like to watch love scenes between two women?

Because I'm a straight male

Oh my god that is such hypocrisy. Nobody's asking you to watch the love scenes between Heath and Jake. Nor are they asking you to get off to it. If you hate the movie that much, dont go and see it. If it comes on tv, change the channel. Case closed.

Because I'm a straight male

that wasn't a very good answer... and by the way, 99% of the lesbian couples out there are not the hot babes you think they are from the pornos you've watched. A great number of lesbians out there are so butch they make Jo from Facts Of Life look like the role model for femininity. You just have this dream fantasy that all lesbians are like Willow and Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer, that's not quite the way it is.

And I am frankly glad that Brokeback is being so in-your-face, gays are sick of the double-standard that lesbians are okay but gay men are gross. Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger are both very sexy men and the love scenes are done in a classy way not to scare off homophobes.

If Brokeback was about cowgirls and not cowboys and you'd champion it, then you're a hypocrite. There's no difference, only perception.

Not a good explanation. :p


Straight men are turned on by seeing a love scene between two women. Is that a better explanation?

Straight men are turned on by seeing a love scene between two women. Is that a better explanation?

okay, so if Whoopi Goldberg and Kathy Bates have a sex scene in a movie, you're going to be turned on to it? Very few lesbian couple are precisely the hot babes you see in pornos.

okay, so if Whoopi Goldberg and Kathy Bates have a sex scene in a movie, you're going to be turned on to it? Very few lesbian couple are precisely the hot babes you see in pornos.



Of course I'm talking about two attractive women. I don't want to watch Whoppi Goldberg do ANYTING-lol

Of course I'm talking about two attractive women. I don't want to watch Whoppi Goldberg do ANYTING-lolWhoopi kind of looked good when she did "Jumping Jack Flash", but now she doesn't look all that great

yea, Whoopi was sorta pretty around the time she did Sister Act and Made In America, didn't last too long though, lol

To think that there is no agenda on the part of Hollywood is a little naive. Hollywood does have mission statements. This year it is all about bringing "Gay Cinema" to everybody's attention. That is why Brokeback, TransAmerica and to a lesser degree Capote are nominated. They did it a few years ago when Denzel, Halle Berry and Sindney Poitier were all honored on the same night. That was not a coicidence in my book. Denzel Washington was great in Training Day, but Berry was far from spectacular in Monster's Ball. In my opinion it was the progressives in Hollywood who wanted to send a message about "Black Hollywood." Trick and D.E.B.S. didn't have all the publicity that Brokeback had therefor were not nominated.

Every year, I usually go out of my way to see all the nominated films of the year. This year I am not doing that. Forget all the "I'm a straight male" talk, I do not support gay cinema for my own personal reasons. One of which is religious. I don't believe in homosexuality, nor do I support it. If you're gay, you're gay, I don't hate anybody who is, but I do not support it in any way. Besides, I talked to a movie critic at work and he said Brokeback was more hype than anything else.

Whoppi never looked good

that wasn't a very good answer... and by the way, 99% of the lesbian couples out there are not the hot babes you think they are from the pornos you've watched. A great number of lesbians out there are so butch they make Jo from Facts Of Life look like the role model for femininity. You just have this dream fantasy that all lesbians are like Willow and Tara on Buffy The Vampire Slayer, that's not quite the way it is.

And I am frankly glad that Brokeback is being so in-your-face, gays are sick of the double-standard that lesbians are okay but gay men are gross. Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger are both very sexy men and the love scenes are done in a classy way not to scare off homophobes.

If Brokeback was about cowgirls and not cowboys and you'd champion it, then you're a hypocrite. There's no difference, only perception.


EXACTLY. I am so fu*king sick of hearing about that double standard about how men can enjoy all the lesbian scenes they want, yet won't even condescend themselves to be friends with a gay man or even watch a movie with two main characters who just happen to be gay. Sorry, but "teh gay" ain't gonna rub off on ya.

If one can't see past the gay characters in a movie and see it for what it is (a great love story, plain and simple), then they are missing out on a good movie.

EXACTLY. I am so fu*king sick of hearing about that double standard about how men can enjoy all the lesbian scenes they want, yet won't even condescend themselves to be friends with a gay man or even watch a movie with two main characters who just happen to be gay. Sorry, but "teh gay" ain't gonna rub off on ya.

If one can't see past the gay characters in a movie and see it for what it is (a great love story, plain and simple), then they are missing out on a good movie.



I prefer lesbians

It's understandble some people would be uncomfortable seeing this movie and there is nothing wrong with that, people just have different beliefs.

I prefer lesbians
Reminds me of a joke someone sent me...

Reminds me of a joke someone sent me...That's a good one!

It's understandble some people would be uncomfortable seeing this movie and there is nothing wrong with that, people just have different beliefs.



That's exactly how I feel. Tolerance works both ways.

That's exactly how I feel. Tolerance works both ways.


Exactly

That's a good one!
;)

HUNG UP! for some reason is mad because I'm not into gay entertainment-lol

That's exactly how I feel. Tolerance works both ways.

I know, but you don't see anti-semetites bitching about Munich and racist people bitching about Crash, but Brokeback is open game for talk show hosts and people who want nothing more than to exterminate gays and lesbians from the earth. That's the difference and part that gets on my nerves over the whole controversy surrounding the movie. There are plenty of straight love stories that the mainstream embraces all the damn time, one that is gay (and technically bisexual, Heath's character is pretty much pointed out as bisexual while Jake is gay but covering it up) comes out and suddenly the world flips out.

John, I recall you laughing the hardest at Letterman's Top Ten about Brokeback Mountain. Did you read somewhere that now you're supposed to be outraged?

I doubt that the comedians and late night hosts are homophobes and want gays to be exterminated.

And I read plenty of criticism about Munich, claiming that Spielberg was too sympathetic to the terrorists.

I don't frequent racist sites, but I'm sure somewhere a bunch of racists are tearing apart Crash.

well, Letterman has said he liked Brokeback Mountain. Conan O'Brien's jokes regarding the movie have been a lot more hurtful and more "I really hate this movie" than Letterman's more playful teasing of the storyline, it's Conan that I was thinking of when I pointed out talk show hosts, not Dave.

I haven't seen Brokeback Mountain yet. I say yet, because I plan on seeing it.

I am not gay and I am not a homophobe, but I certainly reserve the right to like or hate this movie without any criticism.

Most movie love stories are crap, so if I dislike this one it's not because it's gay themed, it's because of something else. And if there are laughable aspects of the movie I will make fun of it at will like I would ANY other movie.

My God I could go on for decades about the cheesy crapfest of love story chick flicks out there that are worthy of constant neverending insults- and I openly beg every filmmaker not to make such tripe again.

And any gay person who defends a movie JUST because it involves homosexuals is not an objective movie viewer. They just have an agenda.

So if I find Brokeback Mountain to be cheesy, unrealistic, sappy, stupid, insulting, manipulative or just plain crap, I reserve the right to give it every pot shot it deserves.

It has nothing to do with my sexual orientation or prejudice. Just prejudice against crap.

I expect to like the movie actually, but if I don't, well too bad.

well, Letterman has said he liked Brokeback Mountain. Conan O'Brien's jokes regarding the movie have been a lot more hurtful and more "I really hate this movie" than Letterman's more playful teasing of the storyline, it's Conan that I was thinking of when I pointed out talk show hosts, not Dave.
Maybe Conan O'Brien really does hate the movie.

do you dislike queers because you have religious feelings, or because you're just really uncomfortable about two men together? The queers don't necessarily harbor rosy feelings towards those who dislike us either.

But there's a difference with not liking something and saying they should stop making movies that appeal to a certain market because you're not in that market. I don't like hip hop or reality tv, but there are others who do, and they have the right to enjoy it to their hearts desire instead of saying hip hop should be outlawed because I don't listen to it. I just listen to other music, but don't say they need to stop making hip hop music. There is an audience out there for gay movies and television, and many straight heterosexuals enjoy them too (I remember when Queer As Folk was at it's peak, a statistic said that straight women outnumbered gay men in the audience for that show 3 to 1), just because YOU personally don't like it doesn't mean everyone who does should sudden;y be deprived of it.

It is both religious and that I am not comfortable.

I never said to boycott this movie. I dont care if other people watch it. I just dont want to donate my money even if it is $6.25 out of multi millions, to a cause that I dont agree with.

Hell, I love gory slasher movies, many religous groups are against them. To ban a certain type of movie is unconstitutional.

But I will never watch Brokeback Mountain.

will you please answer me why it's so much different for straight people to watch gays in a movie, than it is for gays to watch heterosexuals in movies? And please stop speaking as if you have surveyed every straight guy on the planet before coming out with your findings.


I will put it as simple as possible. Straight people are normal. Gay people are not.

Like it or not that is the difference.

Maybe Conan O'Brien really does hate the movie.

true, but if he hated Munich, do you think he would start comments on that movie? No, he knows he'd never get another job in the town if he insulted a movie like that. But Brokeback? that's just fine.

I will put it as simple as possible. Straight people are normal. Gay people are not.

Like it or not that is the difference.

god, you're worse than Solomon. It's really sad that you have such bitter hatred for people who have never done anything to you (or were you raped by a gay man?).

But you are 18, you probably have yet to experience the real world. It's like a lot of my high school classmates hated gays because it conflicted with their machismo, but years later, I encounter most of them and they don't even care anymore, many of them realize some of their friends are gay, and maybe their boss is gay, or whatever. Times change, people change, hopefully you will grow up as well or you will come off looking sad and bitter if in 10 years, you still freak out at the thought of gays or lesbians.

Little Mel is Christian, grown-up and conservative, and while he has said he doesn't agree with homosexuality, it hasn't stopped him from having gay friends, and he is someone who wouldn't refuse to watch a movie that looks like a good film just because there's a gay character in it. I think Brian Damage is the same way. Whereas the way you say things, you don't look any better than Jacob Robida.

I have no plans of seeing it. Just not my cup of tea.

Hell, I love gory slasher movies, many religous groups are against them. To ban a certain type of movie is unconstitutional.

isn't it a little hypocritical to hate gays and lesbians over religion, but gory movies are A-OK? you sound like you're shaping your religious beliefs to match your image. And as an 18 year old straight boy just trying to score with chicks and be cool, hating ******* is something to pick from because it increases your machismo factor than refusing to see a slasher movie that looks cool. Trust me, I know your type, I went to high school with a lot of these people (people who hate gays and use religion to excuse it, then do drugs and have premarital sex and get drunk and all these other things that regarded as "sins", but since they aren't gay, it's easier to use the gay excuse), and most of them have grown up since that I've run into in the eight years since.

I will put it as simple as possible. Straight people are normal. Gay people are not.

Like it or not that is the difference.


Wanna bet? The last time I checked, gay people cried the same tears and bled the same blood. Just because someone sleeps with someone of the same gender, it's really not that much of a difference. We're all human beings no matter what.

I'll reiterate what I said earlier... if it pisses you off THAT badly, don't go and see it. Nobody's holding a gun to your head and saying, "you have to see the movie." Case closed.

And as an 18 year old straight boy just trying to score with chicks and be cool, hating ******* is something to pick from because it increases your machismo factor than refusing to see a slasher movie that looks cool. Trust me, I know your type, I went to high school with a lot of these people (people who hate gays and use religion to excuse it, then do drugs and have premarital sex and get drunk and all these other things that regarded as "sins", but since they aren't gay, it's easier to use the gay excuse), and most of them have grown up since that I've run into in the eight years since.

I don't get that either. It's a sin for me to be in love wth a man, but when some of these supposedly religious people do any of the other stuff like you mentioned which are also considered sins, it's okay for them to do so. You can do almost anything to try and score a girl and it's no biggie. It's something I'll never get.

I will put it as simple as possible. Straight people are normal. Gay people are not.

Like it or not that is the difference.
He died for all of us man, don't give us a bad name.

HUNG UP needs to stop being so sensitive and dea with the fact that most straight men don't like GAY MOVIES

Wanna bet? The last time I checked, gay people cried the same tears and bled the same blood. Just because someone sleeps with someone of the same gender, it's really not that much of a difference. We're all human beings no matter what.

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