I was going to set up a trade with Solomon , but decided to pull out because he said that the quality of the episode that he was going to send to me ( The Jeffersons ) was not all that great. I really did not want the Jeffersons episode in question to begin with , but I was going to help him out. I was completly shocked with the language that he uses. So here is what I said to him , and what he said to me. I will use * to try to hide the bad words :

:lol: Sorry - but in my books, Solomon will always rock! A little bad language never killed anybody and he's still a great f$@*#ing person!!!! :lol: :talk:

Oh yes , he is a real sweetheart ! lol
I just don't like getting emails like this with such bad language. He should not have responded like that. I am still kinda shocked !
Am I wrong ?

Ben

I didn't think you were supposed to put private messages on the boards. Am I wrong?

Oh yes , he is a real sweetheart ! lol
I just don't like getting emails like this with such bad language. He should not have responded like that. I am still kinda shocked !
Am I wrong ?

Ben


You are wrong in the sense that you aired your dirty laundry on the message board. You could've easily said that you personally choose not to deal with Solomon. Showing yours and his personal emails is wrong.

I admit that it was wrong to show the actual emails ( I was shocked & mad ) , when I posted them. Now I see that it is just typical Solomon , and that is how he talks to people. He has cussed me out before , and I have forgiven him. But to be honest it is situations like this that make me want to pull out of the trading circle all together. I apologize to the board for this - I admit I should have handled the situation differently. But I still say that his response to me not wanting to trade with him was not right !

I still wish Solomon the best in his searches !

Ben

i made my public statement a while back that i would never trade with this user

reason, he seems to have numerous problems and tends to publicaly smear peoples reputation for one disc trades that he couldnt play on his junk player

he has since admitted that he was wrong ,and he has a player now that will function on normal discs

i dont need anyone in my life constantly complaining about 1 disc trades,

he may be wonderful to argue with on the sports board or what ever other area

but people reputations are not at stake on the sports board, they are here on the trade board

a couple comments can ruin a persons ability to operate and add to their hobby

sticking up for him is real nice for all of youall who have zero clue whats going on, and further havent taken the time to find out

his entire last out burst,slander and name calling fit, was 100% his fault

he knows it, he admitted it a couple days ago on post 13 of a non related thread

not out in clear view so he could come clean

but hidden away in a sneaky off handed comment


and yes by rule theres no email and pm copy allowed, yes thats not supposed to happen

and yes there was a better way to handle the report of the action

but the idea and the facts in the case are still correct, and the collector should not have been raked over like that

its just plain not needed


it would be so nice, if all youall who jump to retros defense, took a few minutes to actualy find out what hes about

most of the people on the trade board wouldnt deal with him for any reason, some of the nicer, and newer people still try and be cordial and helpful, this person got a first hand dose of what that was like

its personal choice to trade with a person or not, heres another great example of whats in store for you if you go down this road with this person

there are so many decent people to trade with and exchange info with, i for one for one dont see any benifit in getting in this much trouble for a one disc trade

That's why I know that going public with my problem with Solomon , will make it to where I will never be able to post a update to my w/o/c list again without him replying to them with remarks that will try to smear my name. I am taking that risk though ! If I had to do it over again , I would have not posted the actual emails - but I was hot at the time ( I had just been cussed out by Solomon ). I probably should not have said anything , and just never talked to him again - but a part of me wanted to show what kind of a person this trader is. Once again sorry to the board for all this drama !

Ben

That's why I know that going public with my problem with Solomon , will make it to where I will never be able to post a update to my w/o/c list again without him replying to them with remarks that will try to smear my name. I am taking that risk though ! If I had to do it over again , I would have not posted the actual emails - but I was hot at the time ( I had just been cussed out by Solomon ). I probably should not have said anything , and just never talked to him again - but a part of me wanted to show what kind of a person this trader is. Once again sorry to the board for all this drama !

Ben

ben

i dont know you, but i understand the issue quite well

it would be nice for you to go back and edit the original post

take out the emails and put the problem in you own words

facts on this trade area are never a problem

this person didnt conduct himself in a normal and decent manner

and its certainly your opinion and right to state your case

you tried to be decent and got crapped on

as far as your being open to a payback on every one of your lists

well yes thats a risk, but knowledgable people know whats going on and will ignore useless comments like would be added

to keep a safe and decent trade area, one must report poor behaviors, if not, it turns into the common yahoo board that is frequented by scammers and their 13 user names to steal from youall

Oh yes , he is a real sweetheart ! lol
I just don't like getting emails like this with such bad language. He should not have responded like that. I am still kinda shocked !
Am I wrong ?

Ben

You will always be wrong when you go up against him on this board. He has a lot of posts and that makes him above everyone else, like it or not.

His high post count allows no rules to apply to him, he does as he wishes.

The best thing to do it not to have contact with him... and never comment on any of his posts, he is able to respond with derogatory remarks as he wishes.

I called it right , posting in the trading community will be impossible now - lol
Solomon's smearing of Porkys1982's name is starting. This is OK with me though , the people that know me will know the truth , and that is all that matters. Keep going Solomon , I have very thick skin. You are just making yourself look bad , and you don't even see it ! Yes I did show our actual emails , but name calling I would never stoop to.

This was posted on another trading board this past hour :


Ben Escobedo is trying to win a Tape trading Award that doesn' EXIST

He is trying to become TRADER of the Decade for the most Original
Broadcasts and has no idea there is no PRIZE for having a Large trading
collection. He trades for shows he doesn't like so he can expand
his collection. What a ******

All this over a Good Times ep with 3/10 Quality-lol Yeah Ben It is wrong to post private emails. I'm very surprised at your behavior.

You will always be wrong when you go up against him on this board. He has a lot of posts and that makes him above everyone else, like it or not.

His high post count allows no rules to apply to him, he does as he wishes.

The best thing to do it not to have contact with him... and never comment on any of his posts, he is able to respond with derogatory remarks as he wishes.


I'm glad you understand-lol

i made my public statement a while back that i would never trade with this user

reason, he seems to have numerous problems and tends to publicaly smear peoples reputation for one disc trades that he couldnt play on his junk player

he has since admitted that he was wrong ,and he has a player now that will function on normal discs

i dont need anyone in my life constantly complaining about 1 disc trades,

he may be wonderful to argue with on the sports board or what ever other area

but people reputations are not at stake on the sports board, they are here on the trade board

a couple comments can ruin a persons ability to operate and add to their hobby

sticking up for him is real nice for all of youall who have zero clue whats going on, and further havent taken the time to find out

his entire last out burst,slander and name calling fit, was 100% his fault

he knows it, he admitted it a couple days ago on post 13 of a non related thread

not out in clear view so he could come clean

but hidden away in a sneaky off handed comment


and yes by rule theres no email and pm copy allowed, yes thats not supposed to happen

and yes there was a better way to handle the report of the action

but the idea and the facts in the case are still correct, and the collector should not have been raked over like that

its just plain not needed


it would be so nice, if all youall who jump to retros defense, took a few minutes to actualy find out what hes about

most of the people on the trade board wouldnt deal with him for any reason, some of the nicer, and newer people still try and be cordial and helpful, this person got a first hand dose of what that was like

its personal choice to trade with a person or not, heres another great example of whats in store for you if you go down this road with this person

there are so many decent people to trade with and exchange info with, i for one for one dont see any benifit in getting in this much trouble for a one disc trade



Little surprised at your comments about me especially since I never said anything negative about you or about the Free Disc you sent me which played great on my $200 Junk Player. Very Shocked

I'm glad you understand-lol


Yes, sad but true.

I'm glad you understand-lol


Solomon, you know that's being a little too cocky even for yourself.

You do realize that you have ZERO pull in the Trading Board sction of Sitcoms, don't you?

You might be "the man" elsewhere but you're a third string scrub around here.

Now go fetch the water bottles, won't you?

kinda makes you think twice before trading with this person, VERY bad language! I never would've expected any of this from retro ohno:

Solomon, you know that's being a little too cocky even for yourself.

You do realize that you have ZERO pull in the Trading Board sction of Sitcoms, don't you?

You might be "the man" elsewhere but you're a third string scrub around here.

Now go fetch the water bottles, won't you?



I was justy messin with Scott since he wants to believe something so Silly. And Joker I'm the guy who referred you to the Sports Trading Board, why all the negaivity buddy?

Solomon, you know that's being a little too cocky even for yourself.

You do realize that you have ZERO pull in the Trading Board sction of Sitcoms, don't you?

You might be "the man" elsewhere but you're a third string scrub around here.

Now go fetch the water bottles, won't you?

Oh no, it will only be a short time now before all his chit-chat buddies come on here to defend him. Only good things to say I am sure:lol:

I was justy messin with Scott since he wants to believe something so Silly. And Joker I'm the guy who referred you to the Sports Trading Board, why all the negaivity buddy?


Oh its not silly its exactly what happens, everyone here knows that!

I was justy messin with Scott since he wants to believe something so Silly. And Joker I'm the guy who referred you to the Sports Trading Board, why all the negaivity buddy?


Just messin' with you. Thanks for the referral! :wave: I owe you one.

I think it is a fair statement to say that on this board as well as most others

THE RULES ONLY SEEM TO APPLY to certain people!

The issue is not Solomon or his choice of language, or Pokys and posting email copies, the REAL issue is--- DO THE RULES MEAN ANYTHING OR NOT?

Because they have to apply to eveyone equally otherwise its pointless

UNFORTUNATELY that is not the case-- We have seen on this board, people getting banned or suspended and then reinstated very quickly, WHILE OTHERS get banned for the same thing and do NOT get reinstated..... the difference?

WHO THEY KNOW.

To me, if u have 2 posts or 200,000 it shouldnt matter. It also should not matter whether the moderators like you or hate you. Rules are rules are rules. If someone uses bad or offensive language, its against the rules, if someone offers to sell openly, its against the rules.... and whether you are a newbie or a Forum Legend, the punishment should be the same.

Dont get me wrong, its NOT just this board, I know sellers who are pretty openly selling on Ioffer or ebay, and YET they are still on the mighty CPS3 board, while others get the boot.

What can you do about it? Nothing really, unless you want to start your own board. It's not fair, and if I were in charge it would be a lot different, BUT since I am not in charge you have to learn to play politics. There are a lot of things I could say about a lot of traders, BUT for the most part, it will not benefit me to say them.

All I can say is this, know who you are dealing with and judge beforehand if you want to deal with them for certain.

Life's not fair and either are trading boards. That is the simple truth.... it is not something against any one user or trader, its no personal issues with me and anyone, it is just a reflection of the times.

I'm glad you understand-lol


i usually try to stick to myself on this board because bickers like this most of the time are stupid, but how ridiculous is it that this guy knows he can act however he pleases because none of these mods will do anything to him just because he has a high post count. that's just silly. i think it even says it in the rules somewhere that this isn't a competition to see who can make the most posts, but obviously maybe it should be.

i usually try to stick to myself on this board because bickers like this most of the time are stupid, but how ridiculous is it that this guy knows he can act however he pleases because none of these mods will do anything to him just because he has a high post count. that's just silly. i think it even says it in the rules somewhere that this isn't a competition to see who can make the most posts, but obviously maybe it should be.


Calm Down I was joking,

I wish that when a problem like this pops up, people would reply TO THE PROBLEM AT HAND---- NOT just say WELL I LIKE SO AND SO, SO AND SO IS MY BUDDY... b/c whether you like them or not is NOT the issue.

On this issue, I see lots of people saying who they like, BUT JUST BECAUSE YOU LIKE SOMEONE does that mean you overlook how they talk or cuss or handle themselves???


I mean, we should be able to post when a problem arises and have people try to help with the problem, NOT SIMPLY take sides based solely on friendship! That is how 3rd graders handle arguements, NOT how traders resolve issues.

It is like the thread awhile back when TVRESEARCHER got banned for a day, b/c of posting profanity REPEATEDLY--- and we have dozens of people posting about HOW GOOD A GUY HE IS, well that may very well be the case, BUT THE PROBLEM AT HAND was NOT whether he was a cool guy or not, BUT was DID THE RULES GET BROKEN.....


Why do some posters BLINDLY defend someones actions, WHEN THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY IN THE WRONG< simply because the like them..>???

I mean, if my best buddy posts Cussing someone out, or offering to sell over and over, I will not support them in breaking the rules< EVEN IF I DO LIKE THEM! b/c the trading post should be about good trading and good manners and acting like adults, NOT SIMPLY A POPULARITY CONTEST!


(ok feel free to post about what a total jerk I am not, ha ha)

for the record, i have no issues with tvresearcher or anyone else in this thread, just to avoid any possible bickering related to me

for the record, i have no issues with tvresearcher or anyone else in this thread, just to avoid any possible bickering related to me


Lamont this situation is a little different because Ben posted private emails. What I say in a email should not be on this board and Ben has apologized for doing that. Now if I had use foul language on this board that would have different. I know the rules here and would use language like that this board

I understand fully that the posts related to email comments and that it was NOT posted openly here

i was just talking in general, because
in general a lot of people on this board
tend to BLINDLY defend other people based on whether they like them or not
and NOT based on the facts of the problem

that is not good, and that only tends to make the board more about WHO YOU KNOW, then about how you act

nothing against you or ben, as both are ok with me

Lamont this situation is a little different because Ben posted private emails. What I say in a email should not be on this board and Ben has apologized for doing that. Now if I had use foul language on this board that would have different. I know the rules here and would use language like that this board


the emails were against the rules--yes sir

and dude should have presented his case a little differently

but the real facts remain the same

another person, gave you a chance to get something, and you traeted them like crap

some folks tried to help in your player issue and you jumpped all over a person who wasnt even on your case, just a person with an opinion and trying to be helpful

you smeared two peoples names over a one disc trade,a nd it ended up, buy your own --almost secret admission--that the problem was yours and not everyone else

yes i tried a long time ago to make a trade with you, and as you asked, i even sent you a free disc so you could see what i could offer for some show

i never do that, i gave you the benifit ,and did what i could to get something going

i posted two months ago, i couldnt risk my reputation in a trade with you--i must step back and just say no

no matter what you have or will have--its not worth the risk to my reputation, to have you belly ache about a disc you cant play

as far as swearing in an email--feel free to swear all you want to me in an email, ill just delete, or better yet send one back to out cuss you, either way

but seriously, did this ben fella, deserve that ????

i doubt it

ben went about his post the wrong way, but im sure he meant well and is telling the story as well as he can

hes certainly not used to trying to help soemone out, and getting cussed like a stray dog


and as far as you saying anything about me, i never implied you did

and if me telling the truth and stateing my opinion on the no trade with retro stance i have adopted, theres plenty of space for your opinion on that, its nothing personal, purely a self presservation move on my part

ps, im very happy the disc i sent you actualy worked on your problem player, it would have been very unpleasant to see my name smeared for a free disc i sent

Kudos to you Lamont. And of course how dare Joker say anything. Solomon immediately told him that it was he who recommended him to the sports trading board, so if you have nothing positive to say, say nothing. For some here, they feel they can do and say as they please but never, and I mean never utter one word of protest as you be told you are way out of line, as the accuser made 86,000 posts in the last month.

Harvey

the emails were against the rules--yes sir

and dude should have presented his case a little differently

but the real facts remain the same

another person, gave you a chance to get something, and you traeted them like crap

some folks tried to help in your player issue and you jumpped all over a person who wasnt even on your case, just a person with an opinion and trying to be helpful

you smeared two peoples names over a one disc trade,a nd it ended up, buy your own --almost secret admission--that the problem was yours and not everyone else

yes i tried a long time ago to make a trade with you, and as you asked, i even sent you a free disc so you could see what i could offer for some show

i never do that, i gave you the benifit ,and did what i could to get something going

i posted two months ago, i couldnt risk my reputation in a trade with you--i must step back and just say no

no matter what you have or will have--its not worth the risk to my reputation, to have you belly ache about a disc you cant play

as far as swearing in an email--feel free to swear all you want to me in an email, ill just delete, or better yet send one back to out cuss you, either way

but seriously, did this ben fella, deserve that ????

i doubt it

ben went about his post the wrong way, but im sure he meant well and is telling the story as well as he can

hes certainly not used to trying to help soemone out, and getting cussed like a stray dog


and as far as you saying anything about me, i never implied you did

and if me telling the truth and stateing my opinion on the no trade with retro stance i have adopted, theres plenty of space for your opinion on that, its nothing personal, purely a self presservation move on my part

ps, im very happy the disc i sent you actualy worked on your problem player, it would have been very unpleasant to see my name smeared for a free disc i sent


Loren you not trading with me is not a problem because we are interested in different types of programming. So you have nothing I want since I only look for RARE tv shows. But I do think it's STUPID to judge someone for what they said to someone else. You don't know why I was frustrated with BEN and it was really none of your business or anyone's else on here but since he posted it on here I had to defend why I was upset. So it was basically him ignoring my trade request because he felt my feelings would be hurt if he said NO. I don't know why he would think that since I have turned him down for things he wanted from me. Since we have been trading for years I atleast Deserve NO I SEE NOTHING ON YOUR LIST AT THIS TIME instead of hiding and avoid answering emails. Then when I bring to his attention I sent 2 emails and none have been answered, that's when I get-"I'm not interested in your trade offer"

The nonsence on this thread still continue's to amaze me, why don't you guys just DROP IT! What solomon and porky do though emails and NOT on the boards is NONE of our business, so stop battling eachother and just go on with your lives, if this fued continues, than Savage will probably have to close this thread.

retro,

so i never have any rare tv shows

oh my goodness

sorry about that

garsh maybe someday ill get some sharkeys and ill be in the big time



this is not only about cussing old ben out

this is for calling scott names, which he didnt deserve at all

this is for smearing two decent traders names in the mud because you couldnt play a disc

this is for being narrow minded and not takeing advice about the expensive player you have , not being able to play discs

this is for the numerous lame comments about discs are junk and tapes are the stuff

this is for the lame comemnts that trades should only be a couple discs at a time

this is for insulting numerous people for zero reason

and on and on

i dont dislike you, i dont like what drips out of your pie hole

when you figured the player was the problem and snuck the post in a few days ago, an honest and decent person, would have made a seperate post and said they found the problem and now have a decent cheapo player that works, and the people you smeared need to be named and cleared and scott needs a public sorry saying session for your rant on him for zero reason

ive known scott for a long time, i would rather have one scott , than a 1000 retros, hes good people, plain and honest, good people

we dont have to all love each other, but there is a level of respect and decency that needs to be followed

you seemed to be absent the day that was taught

retro,

so i never have any rare tv shows

oh my goodness

sorry about that

garsh maybe someday ill get some sharkeys and ill be in the big time



this is not only about cussing old ben out

this is for calling scott names, which he didnt deserve at all

this is for smearing two decent traders names in the mud because you couldnt play a disc

this is for being narrow minded and not takeing advice about the expensive player you have , not being able to play discs

this is for the numerous lame comments about discs are junk and tapes are the stuff

this is for the lame comemnts that trades should only be a couple discs at a time

this is for insulting numerous people for zero reason

and on and on

i dont dislike you, i dont like what drips out of your pie hole

when you figured the player was the problem and snuck the post in a few days ago, an honest and decent person, would have made a seperate post and said they found the problem and now have a decent cheapo player that works, and the people you smeared need to be named and cleared and scott needs a public sorry saying session for your rant on him for zero reason

ive known scott for a long time, i would rather have one scott , than a 1000 retros, hes good people, plain and honest, good people

we dont have to all love each other, but there is a level of respect and decency that needs to be followed

you seemed to be absent the day that was taught



Loren I seen you fight with people on here but I never commented on it because it had nothing to do with me. Which is why I didn't understand why you felt the need to comment about me when I never had a situation with you before. That was between me and ben.


BTW: I don't consider CPO Sharkey a Rare TV show

Well, although I am not involved in THIS "fight"-Solomon once emailed
me and called me bad names and cussed me out because I wouldn't trade
my "Checking In" eps with him. And he called me REALLY bad names, I would
never treat anyone that way and whatever he is saying about so and so not having rare shows, I have TONS of VERY rare shows that I love to share, if someone treats me nicely and doesn't demand and cuss at me so I can
totally sympathize with the original poster because it was done to me too!

There is NO show that is worth treating someone badly over! Maybe this "fight" is between them but the poster is just making people aware of the kind of person they are/might be dealing with!

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Gee, I'm sorry Joker. That's right, you do all that wonderful converting, so no one can mention your name. That must be the case because Daj said so.

Come on Joker, tell us again what a great guy retro is, didn't he bring you in the sports trading group. You owe him, he told you so and you agreed.


I would prefer to be old than be infantile.

Harvey

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retro,

i may be the only one you havent tried to run over and cuss out

no im not involved directly

and no i never said that you werent honest

and no i never said you stole from anyone


but the behaviors you have exhibited over and over again, are just not called for

maybe that kinda talk and chip on your shoulder, is big fun on the sports board or wherever else you frequent

and maybe they dont mind getting crapped on, but there are honest decent folks here that you have crapped on by you

no matter who speaks up for them, you were wrong

retro--i repeat--you were incorrect in lashing out at them

like ben said, hes afraid of saying much due to getting paybacks

im not afaraid of that one bit

and im not afraid of you gretting me banned either

i knew almost all the people here--far before i signed in here--and had long term relationships with a number of them

i would miss the entertainment, but it wouldnt effect my trades, etc if you got me banned


if a person chooses not to deal with you, thats their business

another person just stepped up and claimed you cussed them out for not working wth you

retro--people every day make choices of who to and who not to trade with

there are numerous people who will not deal with me for a variety of reasons

i dont cuss them and lash out

i move along little doogie to the next attempt

and thank goodness theres always been more attempts over the next hill


i may be a huge assmunch, but im as fair as anyone in the world

and your not being fair with people

thats the problem

thats why i choose to offer my opinions and state facts

many others are wishing they had the stones to tell it like it is

but they are afraid of you, and your numerous buds comming to your defense


i dont control who trades or not with you

but i darn well will say that i choose to not, and tell why

and ill darn well submit that you owe numerous sorry sessions to decent folks you crapped on

and i promise to work harder to get some rare things to impress you

Can this repetiveness please stop?!? This was a disagreement between Ben and Solomon. It got dragged onto these boards by mistake. End it now!

Thanks for the comments everybody. This matter has been closed.