After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?

After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?



Are you talking about in the Trading forum or just S.O. period? I think banning in regards to the trading community is when a trader rips someone off

I'd like to know why savageamusement has the right to ban anyone- without even talking to TJ- considering he is only a moderator.

And been here for only 2 years.
And has just 155 posts.

Not for nothing, but that was way out of line for him to take that action on his own.

Who else can do such things with their own discretion?

Also, what are the guidelines/procedures for getting reinstated?

I'd like to know why savageamusement has the right to ban anyone- without even talking to TJ- considering he is only a moderator.



TJ explained this in another post. From what savageamusement told me TJ was aware of the suspension but it will not say suspension under their name, I think it can only say "BANNED" which made people think he was banned instead of suspended. In reality it was neither.

After this latest fiasco and frustration, would it be possible for the rules for banning or suspension to be outlined? It'd be a good idea to make these things crystal clear so that everyone will not be surprised when a moderator or an administrator appears to skirt the rules outlined under Sitcoms Online Posting Rules (i.e. #4). What exactly are the boundaries?

There seems to be no boundaries. All I have heard is lets forget about it and move on. I thought we could express our thoughts here. Too bad the rules written are not followed and only enforced for the newer members.

The only people who can suspend regular members are TJ and the Administrators (Pavanbadal and Seth) and myself.

It's my understanding that TJ gave a moderator on this board the authority to suspend spammers, rip-off artists and trolls. There was a miscommunication and the person(s) who made the decision to suspended Solomon was under the impression that they had the authority to do so; when in reality, they did not.

If a member is a habitual and repeat offender, then TJ or an Admin will suspend or ban them. In Solomon's case, he was rude and swore at a member. If he didn't heed warnings from a moderator, TJ should have been notified.

I've suspended two, possibly three, regular members. It's a last resort. I wouldn't dream of suspending a long-time member without consulting TJ. I'm never quick on the trigger to give a member a time-out for profanity. I'd have to suspend half the board.

The rules regarding suspending/banning offenses are fluid and on a case by case basis. Nothing is written in stone or crystal clear. Various factors are considered - a member's previous conduct, the actual offense, number of previous warnings, their level of remorse (if any), etc.

Members frequently violate posting rules. People swear at each other all the time. I've had members swear at me. I warn them - first privately and delete the profanity. If they ignore my private warning, I'll issue a stern warning on the board. I ask TJ to intervene if they won't listen to me. That usually does the trick. When all else fails, they get a few days or a week off for bad behavior. It rarely comes to that.

Regarding reinstatement. With Solomon, he was reinstated because he shouldn't have been suspended in the first place. Beyond that, Solomon was very apologetic and remorseful. TJ is a fair and forgiving man. If a person has apologized to the entire board, the owner, the person they offended...I mean, it's time to let it go. Solomon apologized six ways into Sunday. I've accepted more apologies than I can remember.

Keep in mind that TJ would cut any of us the same break.

Regarding reinstatement. With Solomon, he was reinstated because he shouldn't have been suspended in the first place.

According to this rule he should have been suspended. But as long as everyone else will be cut the same slack then OK.

ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended.

Scott, you got your answer. There are rules but they are not enforced. A trioka sits down and determines on a case by basis if the offender should be suspended. What a way to run a group, We have rules but they are fluid and we the administrators have the option to change them at any time for any individual. Profanity is perfectly permissable if the individual is a good member and seems contrite. The tribunal will decide how contrite or not the person is.

What I said before about buddy, buddy is so true. Wow! Wonder how it would be if our court systems were run this way.?

Harvey

According to this rule he should have been suspended. But as long as everyone else will be cut the same slack then OK.

ANY Sitcoms Online user caught making racist and/or derogatory comments towards country, region, or group of people, OR ANY SITCOMS ONLINE MEMBER, will be suspended.
Many many members violate that rule and are given another chance - even several chances. If you swore at Solomon, then apologized and explained to him and TJ that you were having a bad day, I guarantee that you would not be suspended.

If a new member signed up and was always looking for trouble, they would get suspended. It really depends on the situation.

Solomon is truly sorry, and has promised to modify his behavior. There's not much more one can ask of a person. People make mistakes.

I've put up with so much crap at Chit Chat, that I've learned that it's not in my or this site's best interest to hold a grudge. In fact, some of my closest friendships on this site initially started out during a dispute.

Often times, people get along better after something like this happens. I've seen it happen time and time again.

If a new member signed up and was always looking for trouble, they would get suspended. It really depends on the situation.
I don't know how Solomon behaves in other sections of Sitcomsonline, but he has reputation in the trading post for seemingly always looking for trouble. This situation was by far the first and will not be the last. He regularly asks questions where he's thumbing his nose at a particular trader.

When I moderated here, I was constantly having to edit his posts. Many MANY had to be dumped in the "post graveyard". I'm stumped that he was so easily removed from being suspended.

I wouldn't dream of suspending a long-time member without consulting TJ.
So, the more posts you've made, the less time you have to serve under suspension, if at all? That disturbs me, but what do I know?

Easy does it Jen. Policy, rules, logic and common sense have no place here. As you stated, be here for a long stay and you can do as you please. Short timers get bounced rapidly and middle of the roaders, who knows. As far as rules, monday is green, tuesday blue,wednesday orange, and thursday maybe green again or could be purple. Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Like resturants have the special of the day, we have rules for all occasions.

Harvey

Easy does it Jen. Policy, rules, logic and common sense have no place here. As you stated, be here for a long stay and you can do as you please. Short timers get bounced rapidly and middle of the roaders, who knows. As far as rules, monday is green, tuesday blue,wednesday orange, and thursday maybe green again or could be purple. Makes a whole lot of sense to me.

Like resturants have the special of the day, we have rules for all occasions.

Harvey


Good I'm glad you finally understand. Now can we move on?

Brian

wait !!! ,.. before we move on ,.. how many damn moderators do sitcoms have already ,... lol ?

ps: that is a real question .

wait !!! ,.. before we move on ,.. how many damn moderators do sitcoms have already ,... lol ?

ps: that is a real question .

Alot

Alot
and none of them with the exception of Janice has the power to suspend or ban anybody.

who is not a moderator?
ha ha

it seems all the moderators are the ones who speak up for solomon

conspiracy?
ha ha

Scott, you got your answer. There are rules but they are not enforced. A trioka sits down and determines on a case by basis if the offender should be suspended. What a way to run a group, We have rules but they are fluid and we the administrators have the option to change them at any time for any individual. Profanity is perfectly permissable if the individual is a good member and seems contrite. The tribunal will decide how contrite or not the person is.

What I said before about buddy, buddy is so true. Wow! Wonder how it would be if our court systems were run this way.?

Harvey
To compare a website to a court system is ridiculous. I see you have a flair for dramatic rhetoric. Trioka, tribunal. Can we say overblown hyperbole? :lol:

And yes, suspensions are determined on a case by case basis. Imagine that. If the profanity rule was strictly enforced, there would be too many suspensions.

Sorry nobody got their pound of flesh with Solomon. Gonna just have to deal with it. It's what happens when overzealous moderators overstep and suspend members without the authority to do so.

Let's get some perspective here folks. Solomon mouthed off. He's not the anti-Christ.

And yes, suspensions are determined on a case by case basis. Imagine that. If the profanity rule was strictly enforced, there would be too many suspensions.

if the rules aren't going to be enforced, no matter how minute the infraction, why have it written as a rule. what's good for one should be good for all, no matter how long you've been a member.

Sorry nobody got their pound of flesh with Solomon. Gonna just have to deal with it. It's what happens when overzealous moderators overstep and suspend members without the authority to do so.

that's like the 3rd "overzealous" shot you've taken at savage. i don't know you, savage, or retro, so i don't have a dog in the fight, but it seems a little uncalled for. unlike everyone else that's involved, savage was just following the rules. heaven forbid.

You don't know Solomon like the long-time members do. He brings a LOT to this site. He's the only member who I can honestly say, that if he left, SO wouldn't be the same.
The bottom line is that while Solomon is rude much of the time in the Trading Post, he shows a completely different side of his personality in other sections of Sitcomsonline (ie Chit Chat). The higher ups apparently think that if Solomon were to be banned, more would leave as a result of that verdict.

Solomon doesn't much care for the Trading Post and really doesn't post all that often in this section. He's spouted off at yahoo trading groups that this section of Sitcomsonline is a waste of time (because he can't drum up enough trades to keep himself busy), which often makes me wonder why he even visits the Trading Post at all (you can draw more with honey than vinegar). http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/images/smilies/ohno.gif

I don't own the board so I don't dictate the rules or how they're applied fairly. I guess we either have to take it or leave.

Originally Posted by Janice
You don't know Solomon like the long-time members do. He brings a LOT to this site. He's the only member who I can honestly say, that if he left, SO wouldn't be the same.

The trading post section of SO would be just fine without him, I can honestly say. Don't know about the other sections, I rarely read them. I know traders with less than 100 posts that have contributed way more to the traders section than he ever has.

The trading post section of SO would be just fine without him, I can honestly say. Don't know about the other sections, I rarely read them. I know traders with less than 100 posts that have contributed way more to the traders section than he ever has.
Solomon posts at a lot of the sitcom boards. He posts everywhere and keeps many of the boards alive.

Whether the Trading Post would be fine without him isn't the point. It's TJ's site. He accepted Solomon's apology and made his determination. Case closed.

Let's get some perspective here folks. Solomon mouthed off. He's not the anti-Christ.

SO WHY WAS Y2KJOKER BANNED ?

AND WHEN WILL HE BE REINSTATED ?

HE'S NOT THE ANTI-CHRIST NOR IS HE A BAD TRADER .

ALSO "BRAIN" DAMAGE DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION .

SINCE YOU ARE THE BRAINS HERE JANICE ... MAY YOU EXPLAIN ?

if the rules aren't going to be enforced, no matter how minute the infraction, why have it written as a rule. what's good for one should be good for all, no matter how long you've been a member.
I explained that in a previous post.
that's like the 3rd "overzealous" shot you've taken at savage.
Because it's true.
savage was just following the rules. heaven forbid.
It was a miscommunication. Suspended a member without the authority.

Solomon posts at a lot of the sitcom boards. He posts everywhere and keeps many of the boards alive.

I will take quality posts over quantity of posts any time. Thats what I was talking about. I would rather see a board with a few posts than to read something that was posted just to be posted.

SO WHY WAS Y2KJOKER BANNED ?

AND WHEN WILL HE BE REINSTATED ?

HE'S NOT THE ANTI-CHRIST NOR IS HE A BAD TRADER .

I never heard of that member. Perhaps you can ask TJ.

ALSO "BRAIN" DAMAGE DID NOT ANSWER MY QUESTION .
His name is Brian, and I don't speak for him.

SINCE YOU ARE THE BRAINS HERE JANICE
Thanks for noticing. :D

And to think, here I thought by now things would settle down.
I'm on break at work, so I can't even begin to delve into this.

First off, now that this situation has occured, no doubt EVERYONE that has been banned i sbeing thought twice on right?
And this of course, because the choice was made to ban someone so popular, means all deicsions were possibly a mistake.

Despite the fact that until now, no one said anything about other users.

For those who stood up for me, or Eric and the deicsion made- thank you but it will fall on deaf ears.

For everyone standing up for Retro, and is "profoundly" upset the situatione vne happened, there was an equal number of complaints.
That is how it goes.

There are a lot of moderators on the board, becuase it is a large board.

And it's funny- because until this situation happened, I dont' recall Eric or I, or any other mods really getting notice.
Despite the fact he and I single handedly removed 239 retail sales posts.
Despite the fact I caught Pam Maples sneaking in again In August, and tricekd a user into sending her 12 ACTUAL Disney dvd's and she never got them back- and was setting up a second "trade"
Despite the fact that we removed 2 users that were positiviely lunatics, and were posing mulitple threats to users on line.
Or one user whom Eric banned, that was guilty for sending 117 computer viru's under the file name "My new trading list" to users.

But now, all judgement is being second guessed and he as well as I are thrown to the wolves.
its ridiculous.

It's a big board, with a lot of people and people make mistakes.

Teachers, Parents, Employers, EVERYONE makes mistakes-

And all this thread and the other 3 I read are doing is harping on that mistake.

Why don't you call take the time to write the owner of the board, and express how yo ufeel instead of just griping about is slandering moderators and users for decisions you didn't have to make.

Why not, create your own board and your own rules and take things into your own hands, before judging how things were done.

Pure and Simple, Solomon BROKE a couepl rules.
Fine fine fine, he should have been SUSPENDED not banned, WE GET IT.

And ironically for all the griping people are doing not ONE person had the guts to come to me, and complain
To stand up to either of us and just confront us, on our decision.

Its far too easy to gang up and gripe in tiny circles, because of the injustice done.
For crying out loud, it was a 7 day Ban. Seven days, Not death, not life in prison a 7 day ban for something that anyone else woudl have gotten treated the same over.
And was ONLY done becuase so many people brought it to our attention.

Not that any of those people has dared speka up
Matter of fact, 2 of you, emailed me to complain, and are now saying "Gee why was he banned, and welcome back"

You guys wanna do a better job, stop griping and start moderating.

You want to have a board without moderators, go start it - let me know how it goes.

But before you crucifiy either one of us how about taking a couple seconds and looking around.

Anyone see Tonia Bibby around? Nope we found her on the site October 4th and removed her, using her work address

What about Maples, Nope gone, August 16th, after scamming 2 new people

What about the trader, Ben- who was getting things in, and then saying quickly, they dont work
And sending them back, never ever having to send things out himself?
Coincedentally enough all the traded items, ending up on his list-
Nope he was cut September 4th.

How about the spammer, who was putting in Penile implant posts? 7 a day for 2 weeks
Gone.
Or the retail sales guy, that was sending blank vhs's


It is so easy to take one situation, and blow it out of proportion and say "Hey no fair coach"

And you know why you have time to post all this, because you aren't posting complaining about getting ripped off from Tonia, or Pam, or Ben or the others.

You know why the board hasn't been removed or had a probelm with the MPAA or VERO?
Because we painstakingly try to go through posts daily- and remove sales and obviosu bootleg ads as a previous user was doing.

I can't believe this is still being discussed, I can't believe no one is taking in account all the good that was done before this one mistake

Just goes to show you, do good no one recalls, do bad, and no one forgets.

Someone asked what the point of rules are or moderators, I have no clue anymore.

But unless someone can give me a good reason the position is open to any one of you whom apparently have better ideas, and are error free.

go girl !!! she may had been wrong ,.. or right ... i really do not care ... but she has spunk !!! and love her or hate her ... she was the best axe carring mod you guys had ...lol

go savage go savage it's your birthday it's your birthday !!!!

OK OK OK

we all get it, some people like solomon and adore him, some people hate his guts

that is fine

also some people agree with the banning and some dont

BUT here is what u need to ask yourselves

1. everyone who stood up for solomon, would u have been so quick to defend the person banned if it was someone else? a newbie? someone you didnt know? are you defending him b/c you think that people should not be banned for breaking rules, or b/c you just happen to like him?

I mean rules are rules, it is as simple as that! I have bad days too, we all do, BUT you dont see me, or Loren or Agent13 here cussing out other members because we had a bad day, do you? That is the issue, NOT WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE SOLOMON--- I understand solomon has a lot of friends, but my friends dont call the police station if i get a speeding ticket, saying that it should be dropped because I had a bad day. Why? because RULES ARE RULES----
ok maybe that is a stretch I know, the point is

the people who are defending solomon blindly are not dealing with the issues here---- the issue is not whether there is a technical differnece between Suspended and Banned, and the big issue is really not whether or not Savage had the right to ban him (because with so many mods, the process was unclear, even TJ himself stated that it was unclear and that he would make it more clear to the mods) the real issue is

Do the rules matter or not? If they matter for 1 person they HAVE TO matter to the next. Noone should be cut any slack b/c they have made a million posts, in fact they should be cut LESS SLACK because they have been here long enough to know better.

Also, it was not 1 simple post with cussing in it, I counted 4 or 5 posts over 2 days with profane language and derogatory statements towards other members. It was not as if solomon got mad for a moment and lost his cool (IF THAT WERE THE CASE, he could always go back and DELETE his own post or edit the offending comments out, which he did not) but it was a PATTERN of rulebreaking and profane/derogatory statements.

Now for the record, I have no beef with him, and YES he does have some amusing posts, and he DOES have some rare stuff on VHS and YES I have gotten some stuff from him like Hello Larry and CPO Sharkey and I am thankful to have it---- Solomon and I have no issues, we have had some past trading issues over disc compatiblity, that we have both resolved and moved past-- so he and I have a clean slate now, and this post is NOT about solomon or trying to get on his case....

I am only posting this because I dont think it is fair to have a big backlash of people complaing of how Savage overstepped her powers, and jumping on her for banning solomon... I mean, you all seem so quick to forgive solomon for flagrantly breaking the rules on multiple posts over 2 days, and yet you want to lash out at Savage.... for banning him for it? And it was not just Savage who made the decision, another moderator was consulted to get a 2nd opinion. That is just not right. I would much rather have a moderator who might overstep her boundaries a little bit, in an effort to keep this board up and running and free from foul language and personal attacks, then have a moderator who just lets it all happen and ignores problems because of who is saying it. And Yes, I think it sets a good example to other posters here, that No matter who you are, you are NOT above the rules.

The matter is settled, retrotv has apologized, Savage has defended her actions, and TJ has had the final word on it.... so why do people feel the need to vent over and over and over and complain about petty matters.

We are all cool here now, we all have a clean slate. Solomon is not going on about it, so all his pals should follow his example and drop the matter.

I really hope this is the last reply to this thread.

OK OK OK

we all get it, some people like solomon and adore him, some people hate his guts

that is fine

also some people agree with the banning and some dont

BUT here is what u need to ask yourselves

1. everyone who stood up for solomon, would u have been so quick to defend the person banned if it was someone else? a newbie? someone you didnt know? are you defending him b/c you think that people should not be banned for breaking rules, or b/c you just happen to like him?

I mean rules are rules, it is as simple as that! I have bad days too, we all do, BUT you dont see me, or Loren or Agent13 here cussing out other members because we had a bad day, do you? That is the issue, NOT WHETHER OR NOT YOU LIKE SOLOMON--- I understand solomon has a lot of friends, but my friends dont call the police station if i get a speeding ticket, saying that it should be dropped because I had a bad day. Why? because RULES ARE RULES----
ok maybe that is a stretch I know, the point is

the people who are defending solomon blindly are not dealing with the issues here---- the issue is not whether there is a technical differnece between Suspended and Banned, and the big issue is really not whether or not Savage had the right to ban him (because with so many mods, the process was unclear, even TJ himself stated that it was unclear and that he would make it more clear to the mods) the real issue is

Do the rules matter or not? If they matter for 1 person they HAVE TO matter to the next. Noone should be cut any slack b/c they have made a million posts, in fact they should be cut LESS SLACK because they have been here long enough to know better.

Also, it was not 1 simple post with cussing in it, I counted 4 or 5 posts over 2 days with profane language and derogatory statements towards other members. It was not as if solomon got mad for a moment and lost his cool (IF THAT WERE THE CASE, he could always go back and DELETE his own post or edit the offending comments out, which he did not) but it was a PATTERN of rulebreaking and profane/derogatory statements.

Now for the record, I have no beef with him, and YES he does have some amusing posts, and he DOES have some rare stuff on VHS and YES I have gotten some stuff from him like Hello Larry and CPO Sharkey and I am thankful to have it---- Solomon and I have no issues, we have had some past trading issues over disc compatiblity, that we have both resolved and moved past-- so he and I have a clean slate now, and this post is NOT about solomon or trying to get on his case....

I am only posting this because I dont think it is fair to have a big backlash of people complaing of how Savage overstepped her powers, and jumping on her for banning solomon... I mean, you all seem so quick to forgive solomon for flagrantly breaking the rules on multiple posts over 2 days, and yet you want to lash out at Savage.... for banning him for it? And it was not just Savage who made the decision, another moderator was consulted to get a 2nd opinion. That is just not right. I would much rather have a moderator who might overstep her boundaries a little bit, in an effort to keep this board up and running and free from foul language and personal attacks, then have a moderator who just lets it all happen and ignores problems because of who is saying it. And Yes, I think it sets a good example to other posters here, that No matter who you are, you are NOT above the rules.

The matter is settled, retrotv has apologized, Savage has defended her actions, and TJ has had the final word on it.... so why do people feel the need to vent over and over and over and complain about petty matters.

We are all cool here now, we all have a clean slate. Solomon is not going on about it, so all his pals should follow his example and drop the matter.

I really hope this is the last reply to this thread.
Solomon is a friend of mine but I do think everyone should be treated equal. I have seen people behave a lot worst than Solomon and nothing has ever happened to them. I take it most of you guys don't ever leave the Trading Post board or you would see real fights. When I saw Solomon was banned I was angry because I didn't think he deserved it considering other people have done the same thing. I've been yelled at before but I don't even report those to any moderators. I let it go in one ear and out the other. Life's to short to worry about little incidents like these. Plus we have been told many times that if you don't like a member, put them on ignore. On top of that I've never heard of savageamusement before and I was angry that a moderator that the majority of SO has never even heard of had the power to ban a longstanding member like Solomon. In closing I think everything's been said and this should be put to rest and it would if you guys would just quit posting about it and get on with tape trading.

i asked kim a couple times, wouldnt you have a lot more fun just being one of the traders and not have to be a mod

i feel, that for her --even before the recent issue--it was a no win situation

at least half the people will be mad at everything she ever does, and maybe even more

its a thankless job

im am 100% sure its a much tougher job that being a mod at the talk areas of sitcoms

those areas people are all using fake namess--screen names--and if someone get clipped , its no big deal

on this trade area, everyone knows the facts and address , etc on each person

reputations are at stake on every post, every comment, and certainly every trade

yes she may have done a booboo on the suspension--ban thing, by no going through the due process

maybe it wasnt handled 100% correct,and maybe the rule wasnt clear,and maybe 6 other things

i for one will give her a big thank you for her hard work and semi iron fist since shes been on board

shes helped keep our trade site quite safe

i havent been scammed or stolen from on a trade for about 9 months now, where as it used to happen every week

tough and fair moderating is a big deal to us on the trade area

i emailed a couple of the folks who were putting the smack on kim, i wish they would have known some of the facts and happenings that lead up to her decision

of all the posts in the chit chat area, almost all were 100% without any clue as to what was going on, but yet they all had an opinion in the matter

this isnt fair to kim, not one bit

also just becasue she has only 150 posts, doesnt mean squat

most of her work is done behind the scenes and through pm and emails

please, numbers of posts are not an indication of skills, dedication, tact, mediation skills, etc,

Okay is everyone ready to feel really dumb?


NO ONE ASKED ME IF I BANNED RETRO.

HELLO>>>HELLO>>>>HELLO

I said I stood UP for my decision he should be suspended/banend whatever for the week.
I said I stand by my decision people should be treated with respect.

i said I stood for equality and rules are rules.

YES, I contacted Solomon and said Hey, can you knock off the language.
Yes the next day I found a new post- and emailed him.
Yes, I consulted another moderator, 2 actually- especailyl when I received a message after trying to PM him that said
This member has requested you not contact him, and my emails came back to me, ERROR 550.
Which All of this is verifiable and all of this has been, since discussed wiht Retro.

But no one ASKED me if I ever banned him

Ironically, I didn't.

Ha go figure....everyone that is so peeved I have all this power?
Everyone wondering why I can do these Supe Sitcom Feats of banishing users---

ANd in fact, no one ever just started with the main fact and asked me.

Everyone just assumed that since I questioned the behavior, I chose the consequence.
Everyone just went on, whispering and rumor milling that I am this axe grinding, unrelenting mean moderator.
That banned this great (lets forget the people who complaints) popular user.

No one thought or hesitated for a second that maybe, someone else made the decision.

Sheesh.


Unbelievable, TRULY and amazingly.

Lamont your last post has more wisdom and logic, then the last 15 threads of the stuff put together.

How about the next time, a decision is made - start with the basics, WHO made the decision and why.
Then go off on them, question them.

Or how about one better, start asking, stop assuming?


And for the moderator who did decide to ban him- I still say he did the right thing, but if your gonna judge them or I- know what your talking about.

If i had the powers from the almight trading God, right now, I'd be banning myself-just to stop this from building any farther.

.... so why do people feel the need to vent over and over and over and complain about petty matters.

We are all cool here now, we all have a clean slate. Solomon is not going on about it, so all his pals should follow his example and drop the matter.

I really hope this is the last reply to this thread.
It's the Trading board members who are keeping it up. Members have a right to respond. One of them started this thread, in fact....as well as another one mentioning me and Solomon (the Y2K thread).

I think it's this group that needs to get over it. I've never seen more outrage over a member acting up. :rolleyes:

Okay is everyone ready to feel really dumb?
I don't feel dumb. I always knew you didn't ban Solomon. I have access to the Moderator's Panel that shows who banned whom.

Which is why I was mystified when you stated that you did ban him.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=157658&page=6

Solomon is a friend of mine but I do think everyone should be treated equal. I have seen people behave a lot worst than Solomon and nothing has ever happened to them. I take it most of you guys don't ever leave the Trading Post board or you would see real fights. When I saw Solomon was banned I was angry because I didn't think he deserved it considering other people have done the same thing. I've been yelled at before but I don't even report those to any moderators. I let it go in one ear and out the other. Life's to short to worry about little incidents like these. Plus we have been told many times that if you don't like a member, put them on ignore. On top of that I've never heard of savageamusement before and I was angry that a moderator that the majority of SO has never even heard of had the power to ban a longstanding member like Solomon. In closing I think everything's been said and this should be put to rest and it would if you guys would just quit posting about it and get on with tape trading.

Agreed, the initial anger by the majority of SO is because we saw that he was banned. We thought that a moderator banned Solomon permanently for using foul language. That was why we were in an uproar initially. If it said suspended, then I guarantee there would be questioning, but not an overall "Save Solomon" campaign. If TJ said Solomon was going to be suspended for a week for his actions, I wouldn't have a problem with it nor would most people. It was a big misunderstanding by both parties. Solomon apologized, I apologized, yet some of you won't let it rest. If TJ felt a longer suspension or "banning" was necessary believe me, he would have done it. TJ has his own mind and can make his own decisions. A couple of you went so far as to say something to the fact that "The Wild West is coming, believe me." What is that a threat? Go ahead curse and be belligerent all you want. All you'll be doing is making it more difficult for your beloved moderators. This is your little piece of the site. All you'll be doing is hurting yourselves. Solomon and I apologized both in public and private. We did our job, now some of you do yours and move on. I understand some of you are upset, but starting threads like this will only continue to fan the flames. I made a mistake, Solomon made a mistake and we both apologized. Lamont, I truly respect you for trying to squash things. You should really consider being a moderator some day. ;) I am not saying that combs is a bad moderator. I think he/she is excellent. Janice herself has dealt with impartiality and has been accused of things and has been called every nasty name in the book. She could've "banned" or suspended plenty of people, but does not. She picks her battles wisely. Plus, she consults with TJ before anybody is banned or suspended. I know that you combs have got it rough here too. And if I seemed to discredit you in any way, I apologize. As for the rest of you, what's done is done. Let it lay.

Since the situation was brought to my attention.
Since I responded to the reported posts
Since I contacted Retro, all 4 times about the situation.
Since I contacted the other two mods, when I coudn't PM or email Retro,
I therefore was resposnible for bringing it to THEIR attention.

And for forwarding the complaints so they coudl read the entire thing


That is why, I took responsibility.

But now, recently people are asking "why I have this power" and "why I didn't have to consult Tj" etc.

SO I wanted to clear that up, immediately.


I take responsiblity for being being Retorn being banned, It was my action/reaction/forwarding/contact that brought this situation to the head.

I followed the rules, and therefore can't apologize fo rmy actions-
But I don't want another moderator being slandered becuase I brought this siaution to them.
And I don't want others thinking, I have this crazy Axe Wielding urge to ban users here and there at my whim.

This situation is done and over with. Let's just move on! :) Happy trading!

Let me have the final word on this. Firstly, I appreciate the work that savageamusement and combisthebest do here. They do an outstanding job here just like Agent13 did before she asked to be removed for whatever reasons she had. The board would not exist without their help. There is a lot more to being a moderator that you might think, especially one that is this large and active. I don't have the time or interest to keep up with it.

I was very hesitant to give any moderators the power to ban/suspend people. I was never comfortable with it in the first place. The power was not abused (and it was my intention that it be used only for the rip-off artists, spammers, and trolls), but I felt like that it should only be left up to admins. We played things by ear. There was no discussion on any previous members that were banned/suspended. They did what they thought was best to keep things running smoothly. I don't feel like they won't be able to help here without that power. Things semed to be fine when I was the only able to do it. Now, there are 2 other admins plus Janice.

I don't put any blame on the moderators for making their decision. I would have liked to been informed prior to it happening, but I should have made that known at the very beginning.. I definitely should have been notified if he was igoring requests to stop it. It should have been brought to *my* attention - not to any other moderators here. They were only able to "ban" people for a set period of time. I was not aware of any banning/suspension until I logged on around 7pm last night.

If you don't like the rules or the way they are enforced, then it's your choice to leave. I will not be second guessed on any of my decisions.

I would cut a lot of people the same slack that Solomon was given. He apologized multiple times. I think he was truly sorry and embarrassed about it. He won't make the same mistake again. If you don't like Solomon, put him on your ignore list and don't read any of his posts. Adding to him your ignore list would also block any PM's he might try to send to you.

Sometimes I think this section is simply not worth the time and effort. It's simply too cliquey. Let's keep this section fun. This was blown way out of proportion.

The trading post section of SO would be just fine without him, I can honestly say. Don't know about the other sections, I rarely read them. I know traders with less than 100 posts that have contributed way more to the traders section than he ever has.

One final thing here... no disrespect to the people who only post and read the Trading Post section.. but as far as I'm concerned people like Solomon who participate on many boards here with their questions and comments are way more valuable to the community than those who post only here on the Trading Post for their own gain. I think sometimes a lot of the time traders don't even watch a lot of the things they tape, so they have no interest in discussing the shows.

You could say maybe the Tape Trading section would be fine without him, but I could never invision him not posting on the other boards here.