edited to to previous selling refrence.

It makes me a little weary when I ask a trader who they are and try to get address to make a trade or purchase and then they tell me "let me burn the discs and ill give u my contact information later on"----

it sounds suspicious, and also this HAVE LIST is verrrrrry similar to the have list of another poster who turned out to be a scammer,


please rsvp to my emails and prove me wrong if you are legit

thanks and i hope you are real and not the same old wolf in sheeps clothing

Edited due to selling refrence

OK the wording was not that way and i am sorry if i misquoted u

PLEASE DO THIS
email me
the reason i ask for your name address is

1. u r a new poster and i want to check you out to be sure u r legit

2. i like to know who i am dealing with

i am not mad and not upset, but ive asked several times to know who im dealing with and thus far, ive not gotten the answers

i hope u r a legit trader, BUT if u r then u should have no issue with letting me know who u r and all the info

rsvp please

I have no problem at all sir. I have e-mailed you my info already...I hope you recieved it. I think we're having some e-mail communication problems.
*Talia*

Unfortunately, tis the season for a lot of bad traders to resurface.

So many times, new traders are met with caution.
As well, this site is designed for that very idea in mind.
By talking to each other, traders can eliminate the risks of being taken advantage of- or at least kept to a minimum.

I myself have had to run, and had checks run on me.

I can speak highly for Lamont and without hesitation say, their caution is nothing but heeded advice from me, other moderators and a trading history.

But finding out facts is also what makes some of the great traders :)

So althought it might be a litlte daunting at first, or even catch a new trader off guard-
Your name, address, email is often times offered up for these measures.
Take no offensive to the method-
Its similar to airport security.
It sucks for the 99 percent honest people...but it really does weed the bad ones out quicker.

Tvshow---your previous post refers to selling, this is absolutely not allowed on Sitcoms-

"What I did say was do not send me any money yet because I have to copy the set first, and that I will e-mail you when it is ready"

I have contacted you privately about this matter.

Unfortunately, tis the season for a lot of bad traders to resurface.

So many times, new traders are met with caution.
As well, this site is designed for that very idea in mind.
By talking to each other, traders can eliminate the risks of being taken advantage of- or at least kept to a minimum.

I myself have had to run, and had checks run on me.

I can speak highly for Lamont and without hesitation say, their caution is nothing but heeded advice from me, other moderators and a trading history.

But finding out facts is also what makes some of the great traders :)

So althought it might be a litlte daunting at first, or even catch a new trader off guard-
Your name, address, email is often times offered up for these measures.
Take no offensive to the method-
Its similar to airport security.
It sucks for the 99 percent honest people...but it really does weed the bad ones out quicker.


sorry for posting here, but I agree with everything you said. What do you think when you ask someone for an email reference of some kind and they take immediate offense to that? I don't trade alot, but I'm not exactaly new either, but the above has happened to me once. I thought it was odd how someone struck up an argument with me for something as simple as an email reference request. Odd or no?

i do trader checks in situations like this b/c there are a lot of scammers out there

and yes most legit people dont mind if u ask about them

BUT if they do its usually a scam

ALSO i think its odd when someone says my name is such and such
BUT do not make check or money order out to me make it out to my friend with a totally different name

THIS PERSON tvshows_dvd
did just that

AGAIN, i am ONLY passing on the info for you to judge, i am making no claims

BUT tvshows_dvd gave me 1 name that was hers, and told me to make moneyorder out to her friend, b/c her acct was overdrawn?

she MIGHT be legit, BUT this is a classic trick of those who scam to try to throw u off in case u file complaints or try to pursue a fraud report

I HOPE SHE IS LEGIT, b/c they claim to have good stuff, BUT im going to let someone else go first and see if she is legit/...,. if she is ill be 2nd in line to deal with her, but i cant take the risk of being first..... just too many caution flags going up

AGAIN, judge for yourself, and please prove me wrong.... ive been wrong before and someone i doubted came through big gime

BUT i wanted to let u know JUST THE FACTS, MAAM

If it looks like crap, smells like crap, and tastes like crap... it probably is crap. Don't step in it!

If it looks like crap, smells like crap, and tastes like crap... it probably is crap. Don't step in it!

:lol: :D good advice.

that i am too trusting

maybe that is why all the scammers seem to email me about 10 times a week
ha ha

i dont know i try to give people the benefit of the doubt, but sometimes the obvious answer is the correct one!


:dog: :banana: :grady:

A newbie that boasts a vast collection, an unknown in the trading world, would 99 times out of 100 be a scammer.

Three cheers for my new motto Newbies send first!.

another thing to watch for
newbies with big collections, who didnt trade with anyone at all to get any of the shows ( I guess they authored all of the sets from scratch!)
and newbies who do not want to trade at all,and ONLY want to sell their sets at $200 a pop

hmmmmmmmmmmm............


2 + 2 = ???????????????????

:lol:

:( Geeez I never knew putting my list out there would cause so much controversy. I apologize for all of this to everyone involved. I should have first of all read ALL of the rules because I obviously am new and don't know what I can and can't do. I was not aware of few things that apparently I am not allowed to do on this site. I will not post anymore I promise. Again, since I am new to this that is why I am really iffy on the whole trade thing. I'm not familiar with, which person sends first? How do you know they will send you something back if you send first? It's just so confusing. But just to clerify, I am definitely not a scammer I promise everyone that. I guess I understand why you would think that though with how everything turned out. I am doing a trade with someone that has agreed to go first, so we will see how that goes. Hopefully it's a smooth transaction and it builds my trust towards this whole trade thing. As far as my information Lamont, you know that I had no problem with giving you that. I don't know why you insist on saying that I did. I was only asking why you needed it before we even decided if we were going to have a transaction at all. Being new to all of this, it was weird to me for someone to just want my name address, and everything like that right off the bat. I was not defensive or anything, you know that. I just didn't know how this all works. Besides, I got a lot of other requests and no one reacted like that. Like " I need your name, address, ect. before anything. I need to know how im dealing with" But if you've been scammed many times I guess I can see why you reacted the way you did. (Although that can still get you nowhere by the way, even if you do know the persons address, I'm sure you can still get scammed.) Ok well, anyway, that is all. I just wanted to apologize and clerify some things. I guess I'm really sorry guys. :(

Well I wish you would have replied ot me privately, but since your doing this in the forum-here goes.

Let me say first you shoudn't join and participate in a forum if you haven't read, and agreed wit the rules. And this is for any site, not just here.

As I pointed out, selling is not allowed on here, and your post clearly discussed selling.
If you need the link for the rules and regulations again, I can forward it to you -
But you will find it located on the top of the trading forum, on any page in red.

Second, as far as thigns go it is titled a TRADING forum.

You do not have the rights, or copyright to be selling any shows. As far as I know- you are taking a show, making a profit on someone elses work and items.
Even if you created it yourself.

If you feel a risk with trading, don't trade- Simple enough.

If you wish to sell, you can read the bylaws of Etrade, Half.com Ebay and so forth, but you will see the copyright infrignment is in place there as well.

However I can't control what you do there-


As far as Lamont or any other user inquiring about your info. You are a new user. Who posted a collection that isn't popular.
You not only posted, but your first few posts, are posting for sales, which he KNOWS isn't allowed on here, participating on buying or selling- (ahem)
but that raises red flags.
And this is depiste the fact that although some selling does take place- if someone can't find an item, or the trade is lopsided. You are choosing to sell for 20.00 A DISC.
Which is highway robbery.
The quoted price I was told, when inquiring about this matter from several sources was 200.00 for eleven discs of New LITB>
Which is another reason a red flag goes up.

You aren't asking people to send in your name, but a roomates.
A third red flag.

This is a large community. And I can't be there to protect every single person.
But, when a user comes on, offers to sell ignoring the rules- at a high price, under a differnet name-They are definately on my most watched list.

And since you are selling, and having funds sent to your roomate, I should point out under good conscience that that act is illegal, and you having her name involved, makes her a participant in copyright infringment. Which is a 250,000.00 fine for the cost and amount you are selling.
As well as 5 years served jail time, through the FBI.

And maybe she should know that, and I would venture to say I am sure someone from here, has forwarded the information to the MPAA and VERO, with the fact of the sales- costs, and names.
And should they pull up banking records, they will check where funds came from, if the IRS has been made aware- and so forth.
So you may want to read those agencies rules and regulations as far as reporting funds, and personal sales franchise rules.
Especially if you are risking your freedom, and your roomates for a quick buck.

I am not by any means saying no other trader here has chosen to sell or buy. What I am saying is that it isn't allowed on here, if caught.
And if you chosoe to do it, understand the consequences and prepare for them. Because at the price you quoted you are definately going to be found out as well as reported.

If you want to give trading a try, by all means but understand YOU are the new trader on this site. It is you who will be asked to show trustworthiness, not the other way around in 99 percent of cases.
And should I find any sales, this has been made clear enough - the trading as well as your membership here stops.


I sound like a witch about this, but being a moderator isn't about being popular. I take that consequence.
Anyone whom has any furthor questions, you know my door is always open.

Happy Holidays.

~Savage

Savage
ill apologize too, b/c i shouldnt have mentioned the selling aspect in my reply either i guess, sorry was not intentional
i in face have 95 eps of new leave it to beaver and the still the beaver movie, and really only need a few eps to complete my set

i told her that maybe if she really is legit, she can send a sample disc so i can see, that should be better for all involved

And should I find any sales...the trading as well as your membership here stops.
Are you saying that people here are not allowed to negotiate sales privately? Like, how piperpost responds privately to want posts saying "I have such and such for sale". Please clarify exactly what you mean by that statement.

im pretty sure that what they mean is that you cannot use the board to scout out your sales.... if someone emails u and asks to buy and the 2 of u buy and sell between yourselves, and keep it to your selves, that is your business
that goes on all the time

Me, i prefer to trade b/c that helps me get stuff I need
i am pretty sure well over 1/2 of the people here either buy or sell or both, BUT THEY USE ENOUGH COMMON SENSE not to blab about it all over the board and not to post like this newbie did, ONLY SELLING!
some people do that, they post a trade list but when u ask to trade, they ONLY want to sell

and that is a pretty flagrant violation

look everyone, most of us are intelligent people (im giving some of you folks the benefit of the doubt, ha ha)
lets keep the board safe and keep private sales "private"

i think that is enough said?

im pretty sure that what they mean
I still want to hear direct from savage what she means. She did not say any sale posts, she said sales, which implies that she is monitoring behind-the-scenes transactions. This may not have been her intent, but she admits to doing this when she says: "The quoted price I was told, when inquiring about this matter from several sources". If we're going to be ruled by an iron fist, there is no room ambiguity and assumptions.

lol I have been discussed on another message board? I have never posted before! Oh man that is too funny. I understand what I did. I apologized for it. I don't know what else to do. I am not posting anymore. Now making things up, that is just not fair to me. I am not trying to scam anyone! Whoever does not want to trade with me, or buy from me privately, doesn't have to do anything they don't want to do. It doesn't make one bit of difference to me. Whoever is reading this can believe whichever side they think is correct of course. But I am telling you, that comment was completely untrue. :(

This is partially why I don't like online interaction.


For those who don't know my email is

Savageamusement@comcast.net


To explain, what I was discussing.

"inquiring"


This is going to be hard to explain long hand bear with me.

Originally, tvshows posted her list of haves.
Lamont inquired. Whatever transpired between the two of them in an email, ended up dragged here.
The post I saw stated
"Don't send me any money now Lamont, let me make the set first"

Hence, it discussed selling.

Now had the transaction in question ONLY been in an email, I wouldn't have ben made aware of it- at all.
And it would be none of my business....
No need for an iron fist at all.
What one does outside HERE, is none of my business.
If a user trades, sells, buys - if they decide to go knock on Martin Lawrences door and ask for the pilot to his show- that is up to you.

But if you discuss sales HERE, obligated by the rules, and the owner of this sites choice of regulations, I edit the post.

Now simply because I edit the post, doesn't mean I wont inquire.

What if the trader was being misunderstood?
What if they meant to say trade, and said sale?
What if they were quoted, or by sale they mean transaction.
So I inquired they they did in fact mean sale- and by financial gain/profit.


The fact is, I dont own the board. I dont run the MPAA, and I don't make the rules.
I do abide by them, and enforce them. When and if agreeing takes second place here.
My personal opinion is a moot issue.
And please do not take my post as I am the Mafia of trade boards...

My intent of the post was this.

If you are going to sell- don't post it here. Keep it private.
Do not post, posing as a trader ONLY to get sales going - please. Its tacky.
And if you are going to sell, be aware there are consequences.

There are places to sell, sell there. This is a trade site (hence the TRADERS POST) title.

I hate having to correct people. I hate having to be a stool pigeon, I hate having to scold people.
Really I do.
But I hate to lose good sites, I hate people going to jail or getting stuck with a 1500.00 fine, as happened recently to a friend of mine for a copy of a retail set lately she sold.
I hate the rules and regulations. And would love if there was a compromise- but there isn't, at least right now.


lazy, don't be paranoid- I am not out to get anyone. I am not smooping in your emails, I am not Big Brother.

I am enforcing rules set into action and trying to keep the site up and oging for those who want to trade.

if you want to make a sale, I can't and wont stop you.
OFF LINE.

Please, if you have any questions, or anxiety over this EMAIL ME. If you need legal information, let me know.


This issue had more to do than just sales. It was a new trader, selling, who admitted she had not read the rules as stated by her.
It was a large sum of money, being sent to under a different name.

So it wasn't only just that the sale was going on, that started on here. It was a suspicious sale.

And despite being the bad guy here, or bad girl here- the simple fact is yes, some sales take place- I am not naive- but it is one thing to come to terms with the decision to sell.
It is another to start a membership here, not read the rules, set up a trade blatently, for an extremely high cost-and under a different name other than whom the person is dealing with.

My intentions are to help run Sitcoms smoother, for everyone.
Call it the greater good...
Anyone whom questions that or disagrees is well to state so, to me or the owner at any time.
I am not without fault, you as a community have a right to question me.
Never let any moderator tell you differently.

Ruling with an iron fist would have meant that TVShows_DVD would have
already been banned. Instead of being able to defend themselves or
to question what was being asked.

SavageAmusement tends to take the brunt of a lot of these "You're just being mean" posts because she actually makes posts, actually takes the time to research, to talk to the person in question. And then if all else
fails steps in and says enough is enough. The sign of a true moderator
is to be found in a group. not sitting outside the group hoping that
the maelstorm will police itself.

As far as sales. They are not referenced on the board, they are not mentioned on the board. They are not allowed on the board. But
there is not a way that any of the moderators can be thought police.
All that they can go is by the things that are said. The mention of money
changing hands instantly brings the idea that someone is trying to sell
items. Regardless of what is done offboard, the onboard activities
are watched. For the safety and protection of the users on the
group as a whole.

Apologies to savage re: iron fist comment. She does a fine job and I didn't even mean it in a negative way at all, I think it's good to have someone on top of things. It was a poor choice of words as the phrase does come across poorly.

No need to apologize to me, I took no offense- Just wanted to explain before things were confused farther.

Selling is going to happen, lets not kid ourselves. But, scammers do happen as well.
And my reason of inquiring, again bluntly stated was- she was a new user. Whom was selling for a ridiculous amount. Asking money to be sent to a different name-

Good traders don't take offense to being questioned.

Either do good moderators :)

I stick by what I said, I am willing to discuss any matter, any time. Will never take offense to being questioned. I may not see eye to eye, but everyone is entitled to their opinion and their say.
It is the COMMUNITY that makes this a trading site. Not me.

I just try to keep things running smoothly.

guess what
i got her to agree to a small trade
BUT as soon as she got banned
she emailed me calling off the trade and apparently pretty upset

Well, as a fairly new person to the trading world & someone outside this "event", I'd have to say after reading this thread that the now banned member sure does fit the adage about he/she who protests too much. Perhaps that's a rush to judgement, but sometimes you must go with your gut reactions. I found several things in her posts that would make me uncomfortable in dealing with her and her repeated claims about not knowing how to handle something because she's new to this board seem very lame. Good thing for Lamont that he did a trader check, first!

The irony of scammers & cheaters (IMO) is that it takes alot of effort to be a scammer/cheater. (Opening up different accounts/IDs/etc & keeping track of which name goes with what, blah, blah, blah...) If they simply redirected those same efforts to doing the right thing, then they wouldn't have to keep looking over their shoulder & set up new identities & such each time they got caught. :p

For the record she was not banned for her display here, nor for Lamont checking into her.

And I applaud that-
I still firmly believe good traders won't ever mind be looked into.

She was banned for suspicious activity that was determined unwelcomed to the group, by multiple complaints from posters and moderators alike.

The issue with this particular user wasn't just the selling- Yes we disgaree with that, it is a discussion that comes up often.

But I am not fearful of "protecting" people from sales.

If you choose to buy, your willingly choosing. You guys are adults (right?)

My inquiry was that although she was selling, she was doing so at such high prices, and under such chaotic circumstances (send to my roomates name, to my grandfathers account etc)

The sales were the second part of the larger issue which was that if someone is selling, under a different name a different address, no one has any idea who they are even dealing with.
Which is bad news trade or sale wise- and that is why I got involved.

And that is why she was banned.