I watched Bravo and the Cosby reunion show. Phylicia states that her character and Cliff were THEE most romantic couple on EVER TO BE ON TELEVISION. Whoopdeedoo...I don't think so. There were so many before their show, and even some after that show. The fact that those two characters never argued left them nothing to do, but to be romantic, nice to each other and all the syrupy stuff.

Lucy and Ricky Ricardo had arguments and they made up. They were romantic.
John Steed and Emma Peel on the Avengers
David & Maddie from Moonlighting.

I watched Bravo and the Cosby reunion show. Phylicia states that her character and Cliff were THEE most romantic couple on EVER TO BE ON TELEVISION. Whoopdeedoo...I don't think so. There were so many before their show, and even some after that show. The fact that those two characters never argued left them nothing to do, but to be romantic, nice to each other and all the syrupy stuff.

Lucy and Ricky Ricardo had arguments and they made up. They were romantic.
John Steed and Emma Peel on the Avengers
David & Maddie from Moonlighting.

How can a couple be so romantic when the wife is so controlling of her husband. She have not seen Michael Gross and Meredith Baxter Birney, Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore, Craig T. Nelson and Shelley Fabares and Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York. Those were romantic couples.

How can a couple be so romantic when the wife is so controlling of her husband. She have not seen Michael Gross and Meredith Baxter Birney, Dick Van Dyke and Mary Tyler Moore, Craig T. Nelson and Shelley Fabares and Elizabeth Montgomery and Dick York. Those were romantic couples.
:dance: :notworthy :cheers: :clap

Also Tom & Abby Bradford from "Eight is Enough"
and besides, who is to say only married couples. Phylicia didn't say married couple. I really can't stand her now. Where does she get off with saying such an untruth?

I can think of a lot of couples that were more romantic. I think Wilbur and Mr. Ed had more chemistry than Cliff and Clair. ( okay bad example). :lol:

I can think of a lot of couples that were more romantic. I think Wilbur and Mr. Ed had more chemistry than Cliff and Clair. ( okay bad example). :lol:
I don't think that's a bad example....:lol: :eek:

A few other couples that were more romantic than Cliff and Clair:

Herman and Lily Munster
Gomez and Morticia Addams
Mike and Carol Brady
Ward and June Cleaver
Jim and Margaret Anderson
Fred and Wilma Flintstone
Betty and Barney Rubble
George and Gracie Allen
Clark Tyson and Jan Brady
Dr. Vogel and Marcia Brady
Bobby Brady and Millicent (played by Melissa Sue Anderson)
Greg Brady and his Math Teacher, Linda
Mike and Gloria Stivic
Archie and Edith Bunker
Thurston and Lovey Howell

The list goes on...



I can't stand Rashad... not only is she a terrible sitcom actress, but she's the most smug, condescending person ever to play a sitcom mom....

Don't forget George and Weezy!

Don't forget George and Weezy!
Oh Jefferson Fan And Tweety, you both are awesome..what a list of ROMANTIC COUPLES. I can't stand Phylicia either. I swear, it never seems to amaze me how she goes on and on abt that show as if anything before and since doesn't matter.

And to think 20 years ago this Thanksgiving, after Phylicia did the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade for NBC, she got another surprise when Ahmad Rashad proposed to her from Detroit.

That marriage lasted 16 years.

And to think 20 years ago this Thanksgiving, after Phylicia did the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade for NBC, she got another surprise when Ahmad Rashad proposed to her from Detroit.

That marriage lasted 16 years.
That's right...Ahmad probably got tired of her crap too...he didn't want to marry a control freak...he wanted someone who would be his equal, not have ego trips. Maybe if she put MORE ROMANCE in her marriage, she would still be married.:rolleyes:

That's right...Ahmad probably got tired of her crap too...he didn't want to marry a control freak...he wanted someone who would be his equal, not have ego trips. Maybe if she put MORE ROMANCE in her marriage, she would still be married.:rolleyes:

I wonder if Debbie Allen is a control freak?

I wonder if Debbie Allen is a control freak?
I wouldn't doubt it, her sister played one so well for so long.:lol:

man you people are rought, Cliff and Claire were the best tv couple of the 80's. The fact that they kissed and were seen in bed a lot proves that. A lot of great couples were mentioned, but you could never picture them actually having a sexual relationship. On the Cobsby show you could!! She is a great actress too

man you people are rought, Cliff and Claire were the best tv couple of the 80's. The fact that they kissed and were seen in bed a lot proves that. A lot of great couples were mentioned, but you could never picture them actually having a sexual relationship. On the Cobsby show you could!! She is a great actress too
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I think Maggie and Jason Seaver of Growing Pains were the one tv couple of the 80's where I could picture a sexual relationship. They were hot together.

man you people are rought, Cliff and Claire were the best tv couple of the 80's. The fact that they kissed and were seen in bed a lot proves that. A lot of great couples were mentioned, but you could never picture them actually having a sexual relationship. On the Cobsby show you could!! She is a great actress too
Uuum, yeah, I could pic Lucy and Ricky having a sexual relationship....DUH, they were married in real-life...:rolleyes:
Also, she referred themselves as the only tv couple EVER, not just the 80's...read my post again.
anyways, being in bed and stuff doesn't make a couple romantic...there's more to a relationship than that...it's putting up with each other's faults, knowing how to make up for a wrong, remembering the other person with saying or doing something special "out of the blue" type of thing. The fact that Phylicia went on and on as IF SHE AND BILL'S CHARACTERS WERE THEEEEEEEE ONLY ROMANTIC COUPLE tells me that woman has a bigger head than JLo's a$$

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I think Maggie and Jason Seaver of Growing Pains were the one tv couple of the 80's where I could picture a sexual relationship. They were hot together.


and how about Steven and Elyse (sp?) Keaton of Family Ties... he didn't exactly get tired of having her around, did he? ;)

and how about Steven and Elyse (sp?) Keaton of Family Ties... he didn't exactly get tired of having her around, did he? ;)
The Seavers and the Keatons were very romantic. They were also realistic, which is something the Cosby show at times faulted on.

Maybe after being married THREE TIMES, Phylicia Rashad felt that compared to her failed marriages, Cliff & Claire were thee most romantic IN HER EYES.
I mean, she had THREE FAILED MARRIAGES, so anything compared to those three may seem BETTER. lol

but still, very egotistical for her to say that comment on television.

ditto.

I see where you're coming from, but it's not like she went on and on about it. Plus, it might have just been a bad choice of words. I (my opinion) dont think she has a big ego or anything. She just talks elegantly when referring to acting. She has much respect for it. She's always been (and still is) active in theatre. She's very down to earth in person. (or so i've heard several times over.)
I like how you put this in perspective. IMO, my feelings for Phylicia aren't very positive. I just feel to say that abt her character and Cliff's character, is a slap in the face to all the other character couples on t.v. that have shown different ways of saying "I love you". To me, thee MOST UNROMANTIC COUPLE CROWN GOES TO AL AND PEG BUNDY. Are there any arguments there?????? LOL

Is it that you just don't like her as a person, Or you just don't like the comment. The comment isn't bad at all.
I didn't care for the character of Claire...then when the actress boasted such a comment, it made the rest of television couples seem like they didn't have love for each other...as if only Cliff and Claire did it right.

I can see if she said that the other TV couples were useless to television or that they sucked LOL. But she was just stating her opinion, I can see if it was a racist slur or something. But what she said wasn't a big deal it was just her opinion.

And what I think she was getting at is that you don't really see that many couples let along black couples on TV showing the kinda affection that they showed.
I agree with you...on the surface, the comment doesn't seem much, but when she said it, she said it with such an attitude and this look on her face...u know how it "isn't what you say, BUT HOW YOU SAY IT"? Well, that's the feeling I get when she said it.

I'm sorry but I just don't like Claire. I never have. I watched the show for the other characters. I just think she was a snob and she constantly pushed Cliff around. He was a wimp. :lol:

I'm sorry but I just don't like Claire. I never have. I watched the show for the other characters. I just think she was a snob and she constantly pushed Cliff around. He was a wimp. :lol:
Don't be sorry. I hated her too. Cliff didn't have a backbone and it wasn't all that funny seeing a grown woman pushing/controlling a grown man. Cliff should have hung around the hospital alot more!:lol:

Cliff was a grown man. Claire acted more like his mother than his wife. The other couples mentioned were more equals. I even think Roseanne and Dan Conner were more loving than Cliff and Claire as where Rob and Laura Petrie. Their's probably a lot of them I'd pick over Cliff and Claire. Although I agree that it is unsettling to see Ricky Ricardo and Ralph Kramden push their wives around. The big difference though was they were more slapstick comedies. I never took them seriously.

Dan and Roseanne more loving than Claire and Cliff??? Are you kinding me, how on earth did you come up with that conclusion? When in fact Roseanne and Dad would yelled at each other half of the time, call each other names, make fun of each other. Roseanne made fun of Dan's mother alot, and she would hit the poor man in the back of the head with a skillet.

When you never saw Claire and Cliff yell at each other the way Roseanne and Dan did. You never heard Cliff and Claire call each other names or make fun of each others parents Claire didn't act like Cliffs mother. She looked out for her husband and took care of her husband. Claire was stricted and didn't take crap from anyone.
Claire Huxtable was the only wife character on a sitcom who would boss her husband around and get away with it.I named a lot of married couples who were more equal than the Huxtables, The Seavers, The Keatons, The Petries. At least when Roseanne yelled at Dan he yelled back and I always knew that deep down they loved each other. Dan's mother was a flake. :lol: Cliff was a grown man. I never saw him push her around like that. He was a wimp. He should have gotten lessons from Al Bundy. :lol:

Roseanne did push Dan around, but he pushed back. I think that's just how Dan & Roseanne were.

Now Clair was just bullied Cliff. I'm surprised she didn't dress him in the mornings :rolleyes: Cliff was a whimp. It was Yes Dear this, and Yes Dear that. I swear I wanted to smack him for taking her abuse.

Roseanne did push Dan around, but he pushed back. I think that's just how Dan & Roseanne were.

Now Clair was just bullied Cliff. I'm surprised she didn't dress him in the mornings :rolleyes: Cliff was a whimp. It was Yes Dear this, and Yes Dear that. I swear I wanted to smack him for taking her abuse.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Excuse me, Roseanne didn't push Dan around? Who was the boss in that house hold?? Roseanne was, I guess we aren't watching the same show. Also how was Cliff a wimp?
Excuse me but I don't know what show you were watching. I watched that show every week for years as I did TCS. I saw Dan lose his temper before. He never let Roseanne get the best of him. I never saw Cliff say anything remotely critical of Claire. He just took it. Its pretty bad when he had to sneak around his own house to have some food just because he was chicken to tell his wife to lay off.

Roseanne did push Dan around, but he pushed back. I think that's just how Dan & Roseanne were.

Now Clair was just bullied Cliff. I'm surprised she didn't dress him in the mornings :rolleyes: Cliff was a whimp. It was Yes Dear this, and Yes Dear that. I swear I wanted to smack him for taking her abuse.
:lol:

Roseanne did push Dan around, but he pushed back. I think that's just how Dan & Roseanne were.



Exactly, It didn't mean they didn't they didn't love each other. Also, just because you see Cliff and Clair being affectionate toward each other doesn't mean they DID love each other. If anything it was probably a show for the kids sake.

Her damn expectations were too high for him and those kids.

Exactly, It didn't mean they didn't they didn't love each other. Also, just because you see Cliff and Clair being affectionate toward each other doesn't mean they DID love each other. If anything it was probably a show for the kids sake.

Her damn expectations were too high for him and those kids.
I love it!! I love knowing that others feel like I do when it comes to Claire.:D
Roseanne and Dan were REAL. they epitomized how alot of families are. They had affection for each other and it was never fake. Like u said, too much of this sweetness on the Cosby show, with two professionals who were almost always home, never argued, etc. too unrealistic.

I love it!! I love knowing that others feel like I do when it comes to Claire.:D
Roseanne and Dan were REAL. they epitomized how alot of families are. They had affection for each other and it was never fake. Like u said, too much of this sweetness on the Cosby show, with two professionals who were almost always home, never argued, etc. too unrealistic.
they were too unrealistic but the show was always presented as being realistic. I'm surprised the kids didn't turn to drugs or something because with a mother like Claire that might have happened in the real world. :lol:

I hated also that it seemed like Claire was ALWAYS right and Cliff was almost ALWAYS wrong. Heck when he was right Claire still didnt give him credit for being right :rolleyes:

i LOVE this thread! only because I hate her too and the cosby show alltogether!

i LOVE this thread! only because I hate her too and the cosby show alltogether!
I didn't realize it was going to generate so much hate for Claire...I LOVE IT TOO!!!:D

I decided to edit the thread name to better suit the posts! lol

I decided to edit the thread name to better suit the posts! lol
I like it. :lol:

I like it. :lol:
I knew that you would!:D

I do too. I'm sure pussywhipped husbands everywhere can relate to Cliff and Claire's relationship. :nod:

I do too. I'm sure pussywhipped husbands everywhere can relate to Cliff and Claire's relationship. :nod:
Here's to all the pussywhipped men out there...:cheers: :smash:

Here's to all the pussywhipped men out there...:cheers: :smash:



:cheers: :whip

:cheers: :whip
:lol: :lol:

I could never respect a man that allowed himself to be bullied like Cliff. My man needs to have an opinion, speak his feelings, eat what he likes (within health reasons) and just be tough.

I hated also that it seemed like Claire was ALWAYS right and Cliff was almost ALWAYS wrong. Heck when he was right Claire still didnt give him credit for being right :rolleyes:
:yeahthat

:lol: :lol:

I could never respect a man that allowed himself to be bullied like Cliff. My man needs to have an opinion, speak his feelings, eat what he likes (within health reasons) and just be tough.

Yeah, I would want him to be gentle and sweet and tough when necessary.
He shouldn't be a pushover. You can't respect somebody who kisses your ass.

yeah that..

they were too unrealistic but the show was always presented as being realistic. I'm surprised the kids didn't turn to drugs or something because with a mother like Claire that might have happened in the real world. :lol:
Sonny, you know you <3 Clair. :p :lol:

Sonny, you know you <3 Clair. :p :lol:
:puke: :lol:

:puke: :lol:
:lol:

LOL

I think the only time I liked Claire was when she told Elvin how sexist and how his ideas of women are primitive, but other than that, no way!!!
I hated that scene where she got pissed at Elvin after he told her "oh, you are going to serve Dr. Huxtable some tea?" I will admit I didn't like that line of his, only because that line served to get the audience rolling and it gave Clair an opportunity to put on her AT-TI-TUDE and tell Elvin off and say her lines sooooo fast and so well put together that it was stupid.

It would have been nice to see Claire all dressed "down" too. I mean, even when she was casual, it was still dressed up. How abt some overalls, walking around in socks, her hair wrapped up, something!:rolleyes:

LOL

I think the only time I liked Claire was when she told Elvin how sexist and how his ideas of women are primitive, but other than that, no way!!!
I hated that scene where she got pissed at Elvin after he told her "oh, you are going to serve Dr. Huxtable some tea?" I will admit I didn't like that line of his, only because that line served to get the audience rolling and it gave Clair an opportunity to put on her AT-TI-TUDE and tell Elvin off and say her lines sooooo fast and so well put together that it was stupid.

I love it when she lit into Elvin. I stood up and applauded when she went there on Elvin. Elvin knew he was put in his place afterwards.

I agree completely.
I only recall a couple episodes where she was actually dressed down... quite brief scenes though. Once she was in overalls, working in the garden. She was dressed down when her and Denise went to a pottery class, and again when Sondra and Elvin were moving. But you never see her just lounging around the house, you know?
She seems to be about the only one on that show that wasnt frequently seen casual.
I like Clair, but stuff like that is another reason I like Roseanne so much too.
I should make a I LOVE ROSEANNE THREAD!!!!

I love it when she lit into Elvin. I stood up and applauded when she went there on Elvin. Elvin knew he was put in his place afterwards.
I wonder why they made the character of Elvin like that? :lol: :crazy:

I wonder why they made the character of Elvin like that? :lol: :crazy:


Elvin, imo, was just as unlikeable as Claire, but for a different reason...he was a total wuss... :lol:

Elvin, imo, was just as unlikeable as Claire, but for a different reason...he was a total wuss... :lol:
No wonder Cliff liked him!!!!!!!

No wonder Cliff liked him!!!!!!!


:lol: :lol: Yeah, I'm sure Cliff was thinking, "Join the club, my son, it's not so bad"

:lol: :lol: Yeah, I'm sure Cliff was thinking, "Join the club, my son, it's not so bad"
:cheers: :rofl: :rofl:

Add me to the list. Although I hated the show altogether.

Add me to the list. Although I hated the show altogether.
I know, i just seen your post on Pointless episodes...:lol:

I hate Clair Huxtable.

I think I've mentioned this on at least a few other threads.

As I get older I find her more and more irritating to the point where it is almost impossible for me to watch The Cosby Show when she is onscreen.

I think it may have to do with as you get older you become less tolerant of nonsense.

I hate Clair Huxtable.

I think I've mentioned this on at least a few other threads.

As I get older I find her more and more irritating to the point where it is almost impossible for me to watch The Cosby Show when she is onscreen.

I think it may have to do with as you get older you become less tolerant of nonsense.
Yeah, that is a great way to say it. When I first watched it in the 80's, it was different. I liked it alot and didn't analyze it. As I got older, my feelings toward the Clair character started to turn to hate.

I love the episode where Cliff says "GOTCHA" because his family was trying to play a joke on him. There is a scene in the dining room where he makes an argument on purpose and he turns and tells Claire, "SHUT UP!!!!" I love it. I know he was only joking to the character, but man, it sounded sooooo good!!!!!:lol:

I also didn't like when Claire put Cliff on "appliance probation". Pleeeeeeeze, first the man can't eat, now he can't buy stuff just because Rudy played with the appliance that he bought. Give me a break. I love that episode, i just hate her for doing that to Cliff. It's ok for others in the house to buy "useless" stuff, but not Cliff.:rolleyes:

I hated the way Cosby allowed the show to portray men as either idiots, wimps and/or clueless about women and women dominate them. The women on the show was quite domineering and the men were doormats.

I hated the way Cosby allowed the show to portray men as either idiots, wimps and/or clueless about women and women dominate them. The women on the show was quite domineering and the men were doormats.
So damn true. :thumbsup: :clap I mean, I couldn't understand why Sondra chose that wimp, sexist guy Elvin as a husband. Did she want to be controlling like her mother and a REAL MAN wouldn't allow her to do that, so she had to find one she could push around????? i never understood why a smart, beautiful girl like Sondra would settle for that guy:rolleyes:

I hated the way Cosby allowed the show to portray men as either idiots, wimps and/or clueless about women and women dominate them. The women on the show was quite domineering and the men were doormats.

YOU can say that again!!!!! Martin was dilly, Elvin was dilly and Theo was "jammin on the one".:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

YOU can say that again!!!!! Martin was dilly, Elvin was dilly and Theo was "jammin on the one".:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
I love Theo!!!!!! "Jammin on the one" LOL LOL:lol: :lol:

I love Theo!!!!!! "Jammin on the one" LOL LOL:lol: :lol:


Now I was listening to rap myself back then and have NEVER heard of that phrase. I wonder if Malcolm Jamal was ever teased about it.

it sure was funny...anyone here know anything abt that phrase? maybe it was something Bill made up.

Clair statement does seem a little egotistict there way other romatic people on sitcoms before them like Ralf and Alice they argued but they loved each other and the dumb stuff that Ralf was doing was to make a better life for Alice. Another romactic copoule was Fred and Donna. Out of all Freds foolishness Donna still loved him and would all ways be there for him. But the Cosby show was a good show, even thoe the charcters were unrealistic very fictisous. The other charcters I talked about are more realistic. No body is that perfect!:) :rolleyes:

Clair statement does seem a little egotistict there way other romatic people on sitcoms before them like Ralf and Alice they argued but they loved each other and the dumb stuff that Ralf was doing was to make a better life for Alice. Another romactic copoule was Fred and Donna. Out of all Freds foolishness Donna still loved him and would all ways be there for him. But the Cosby show was a good show, even thoe the charcters were unrealistic very fictisous. The other charcters I talked about are more realistic. No body is that perfect!:) :rolleyes:
see, i knew it wasn't just me who thought that statement was egotistical. a few here on the forums don't like that i made this thread, but it's ok, cuz I see that alot more feel abt Claire the same way I do. LOL

I hated the way Cosby allowed the show to portray men as either idiots, wimps and/or clueless about women and women dominate them. The women on the show was quite domineering and the men were doormats.
Except Denise. I think Martin was was the dominating one in that relationship.

Except Denise. I think Martin was was the dominating one in that relationship.
Denise was dumb. She threw away school education and wanted to learn LIFE...how dumb is that? Martin was very smart. I agree, he was the exception.

Denise was dumb. She threw away school education and wanted to learn LIFE...how dumb is that? Martin was very smart. I agree, he was the exception.

Denise went back to college to become a school teacher.

There are times were Cliff bossed Clair around/she's been put in her place......

1.She didn't want to wear a dress to a formal and Cliff told her, "Clair you are wearing that dress to the formal! Put it on and get out of the room!"

2.She broke her toe and was moaning in pain, but she was trying to do everything by herself, trying to look as if she didn't need any help, though she was clearly in a lot of pain. Cliff was like, "You're going to the emergency room." And she was like, "What if they tell me it's broken?" then he said, "If no one tells you it's broken, and it is broken, how will you know it's broken?"

3.She and Denise went to some pottery class and Denise made a good sculpture, and Clair was embarrassed because she had made this fugly looking sculpture.

4. She was on a diet, and Cliff made her favorite Mexican food, (a fattening food), and was teasing her with the food, "begging" her to eat it. He tried her willpower. When he left to work at the hospital, she ate the food and got defensive when he came back early. She angrily slammed the food back into the refrigerator and gave Cliff an angry look.

5.Cliff made a hot spicy sauce/food, and he warned Clair not to eat it because it was very, very hot. As soon as he left the kitchen, she ate it and instantly became flushed because it was very spicy. When Cliff saw her almost gagging from the spicy food, he gave her water, but only a little bit(about 1/4 of the glass. He kept giving her only about 1/4 of the glass. He made her look like she was begging for the water, and she gratefully gulped the water.

6. Clair gets stressed out and seriously looks/acts like she has PMS, so she gets sent away on vacation to have a little "Clair" time and is put in a really bad getaway place. It seriously was not a relaxing place,(She was FREEZING in that cabin)and she was soon begging to go back home.

7.One episode Clair and Francine,(Elvin's mom)take Sandra's babies because Sandra is sick with the Strep throat, and Elvin misguides Sandra into thinking that their moms "stole the babies", and Sandra comes to the Huxtable house furious and chews out Clair and Francine. She says in a cold angry voice to Clair(when Clair interrupts her), "I am talking",and Clair looks taken aback and astonished. She really tells off Clair and Francine. I know it's both Clair and Francine in this one getting put in their place, but Clair is still being out in her place.

7.

Denise went back to college to become a school teacher.
And....your point is......:confused: :lol:

And....your point is......:confused: :lol:

Ummm let's see, you said she threw away her educations, when actually she went back to school. Sometimes people aren't ready to go to college right after highschool.

Ummm let's see, you said she threw away her educations, when actually she went back to school. Sometimes people aren't ready to go to college right after highschool.
Yeah, but she can go and marry a guy and be a wife and step-mother. How smart is that? She should have gotten her goals straight first. She's not ready for college but she is ready for LIFE???? Dumb!

Yeah, but she can go and marry a guy and be a wife and step-mother. How smart is that? She should have gotten her goals straight first. She's not ready for college but she is ready for LIFE???? Dumb!


Just because it wouldn't work for you doesn't mean that it wouldn't work for others. That's why it's called life, you go through different things in your lifetime, sometimes they aren't in the right order. Denise made a bad choice by dropping out of College ( agree with you on that), but she turned that wrong into a right when she went back, that's all that matter, she went back to get her education.

Clair and Cliff were not the most romantic couple ever on tv. There where so many like some people named earlier. For example Ralf and Alice, even tough they argued, they still loved each other,Alice knew all of the hair brain scheems Ralf was doing was out of love. He was trying to make a better life for Alice. Then there's Fred and Donna out of all of Fred's foolishness Donna stayed by his side even when Lamont was being ignorant. They had a love that was strong and Donna would do anything for Fred.:cool:

Clair and Cliff were not the most romantic couple ever on tv. There where so many like some people named earlier. For example Ralf and Alice, even tough they argued, they still loved each other,Alice knew all of the hair brain scheems Ralf was doing was out of love. He was trying to make a better life for Alice. Then there's Fred and Donna out of all of Fred's foolishness Donna stayed by his side even when Lamont was being ignorant. They had a love that was strong and Donna would do anything for Fred.:cool:
Ralph and Alice seem to be a popular choice. Donna and Fred, I don't think I have seen that choice on here, or the other thread abt romantic couples, but it is a good choice. People don't have to be obviously in love, kissy face all the time to be romantic.

..I kind of like the dominant woman. Me and pretty much all of the women in my family are pretty dominant, wont let a guy walk over us. But we have equally dominant guys. It kinda balances things out. Cliff just needed to step up to the plate.


Exactly...none of us are saying that Claire or the other women in the family should let the guys walk all over them...but there's a difference between 1) not 'allowing' the guys to walk all over you and 2) dominating the guys 125% of the time, which is what happened on this show...as well as in every other 90s domestic sitcom.

Cliff just needed to say to Claire every now and then, "screw you, I'm gonna have a sandwich"... and then HAVE the sandwich, no matter WHAT she says (that would hardly be considered 'walking all over her', it would just mean that he eats when it's time to eat).

I am not advocating a man tying a woman's hand, sealing her lips, binding her feet to a corner she only moves and talk when the man pulls the string as long as it relevant to his point of view. That's wrong thinking. It's wrong for an adult to boss another adult around as though the person is a child. On the Cosby Show there was a lot of bossy behavior displayed. Given that Bill Cosby wanted a more positive image on the screen he missed the mark with the excessive male bashing that went on and the men looking like either buffoons and/or idiots not having a clue on dealing with life.

I am not advocating a man tying a woman's hand, sealing her lips, binding her feet to a corner she only moves and talk when the man pulls the string as long as it relevant to his point of view. That's wrong thinking. It's wrong for an adult to boss another adult around as though the person is a child. On the Cosby Show there was a lot of bossy behavior displayed. Given that Bill Cosby wanted a more positive image on the screen he missed the mark with the excessive male bashing that went on and the men looking like either buffoons and/or idiots not having a clue on dealing with life.
Ms. Stewart and Tweety, you both said it very well. I think some people are taking it the wrong way with the title of this thread. First of all, it's not Phylicia we are bashing, although it did go there for a moment. Claire, as a character, was not too realistic. Her constant bashing and I AM WOMAN and you will do as I say, treating Cliff like another child instead of a man. Like I said before, I cannot respect a man who doesn't speak up for himself and allows himself to be walked over.
I am a strong woman and my man is a strong man. Together we build a foundation that is equal. I am there for his weak times and he is there for my weak times. I try to tell him what foods he should refrain from, but I don't make him or force him to eat a certain way. I eat what I like and what he likes is what makes him happy. He is not my son, he is my man and deserves to be treated as such. He already had a mother in life, as I already had a father in life. Couples don't need to and should not treat the other as children.

Ms. Stewart and Tweety, you both said it very well. I think some people are taking it the wrong way with the title of this thread. First of all, it's not Phylicia we are bashing, although it did go there for a moment. Claire, as a character, was not too realistic. Her constant bashing and I AM WOMAN and you will do as I say, treating Cliff like another child instead of a man. Like I said before, I cannot respect a man who doesn't speak up for himself and allows himself to be walked over.
I am a strong woman and my man is a strong man. Together we build a foundation that is equal. I am there for his weak times and he is there for my weak times. I try to tell him what foods he should refrain from, but I don't make him or force him to eat a certain way. I eat what I like and what he likes is what makes him happy. He is not my son, he is my man and deserves to be treated as such. He already had a mother in life, as I already had a father in life. Couples don't need to and should not treat the other as children.

By the way it is Mr. Stewart. I am male but subscribe to the more modern day of being more sensitive to the needs and feelings of women and believing that each person has a right to shine in their own forthright.

I have a problem with adults, rather it be a man nor a woman, who cannot speak and/or stand up for themselves. Once a person hits the age of 18 they are an adult and for an adult to parent another adult is wrong. You hit the nail on the head with the way Clair is towards Cliff about certain foods. Adults want to be treated and talk to like adults. I believe people act the way they are treated.

By the way it is Mr. Stewart. I am male but subscribe to the more modern day of being more sensitive to the needs and feelings of women and believing that each person has a right to shine in their own forthright.

I have a problem with adults, rather it be a man nor a woman, who cannot speak and/or stand up for themselves. Once a person hits the age of 18 they are an adult and for an adult to parent another adult is wrong. You hit the nail on the head with the way Clair is towards Cliff about certain foods. Adults want to be treated and talk to like adults. I believe people act the way they are treated.
I am sorry MR. stewart...my goof...:wave:

You know, alot of people seem to be in agreement with Clair's treatment of Cliff and basically the women of the show. I don't believe there should be any bashing on either side. I know it's a sitcom and I know alot of it was done for laughs. I love the show. But if Bill Cosby is upset with how other "black family" oriented shows were shown and portrayed, then he should expect the same be done with his show, which definitely has its flaws and unrealistic turns.

I am sorry MR. stewart...my goof...:wave:

You know, alot of people seem to be in agreement with Clair's treatment of Cliff and basically the women of the show. I don't believe there should be any bashing on either side. I know it's a sitcom and I know alot of it was done for laughs. I love the show. But if Bill Cosby is upset with how other "black family" oriented shows were shown and portrayed, then he should expect the same be done with his show, which definitely has its flaws and unrealistic turns.

No problem. It's all good.

That's the whole teha about Bill Cosby he talks about how other shows did not have a positive image but his didn't in terms of how men and women related to each other. The episode in season 7, The Last Barbeque, Sondra and Denise dogged their husbands. It was a funny episode but here was Cosby again sending out a message that is OK for a woman to dominate a man and he stands there looking like a buffoon and/or idiot.

Other than that Cosby Show was a very good show and it helped brought the family sitcom back to life. The only other problem that it had that it stayed on two seasons too long. The seventh season was OK but the final season was horrible. It had the potential to go down as a classic. The number one show for five seasons straight.

No problem. It's all good.

That's the whole teha about Bill Cosby he talks about how other shows did not have a positive image but his didn't in terms of how men and women related to each other. The episode in season 7, The Last Barbeque, Sondra and Denise dogged their husbands. It was a funny episode but here was Cosby again sending out a message that is OK for a woman to dominate a man and he stands there looking like a buffoon and/or idiot.

Other than that Cosby Show was a very good show and it helped brought the family sitcom back to life. The only other problem that it had that it stayed on two seasons too long. The seventh season was OK but the final season was horrible. It had the potential to go down as a classic. The number one show for five seasons straight.
Not only that, but the grandmother got into it too. It made men look like hamburger while the women were lions ready to chomp and gulp them down.
Oh, those last two seasons, what a bad time for Cosby show!!!! awful, just awful.:mad:

What kinda weak ass women do ya'll want to see on TV. I think that the women should be pride that a woman can hold her own and speak up for herself. I don't think that Clair was dominate or that Cliff was weak. I think they had an equal partnership in their marriage. Like someone posted their have been many times where Cliff has bossed Clair around. This is just a bunch of knit-picking. I'm glad that they had a powerful, intelligent, beauty well spoken, educated black woman on TV. Their weren't that many black woman back in the 80's like that in a sitcom.

I guess it's true what they say, that women will tear each other apart, instead of applauding her for all of her good work.

What kinda weak ass women do ya'll want to see on TV. I think that the women should be pride that a woman can hold her own and speak up for herself....

Again, none of us have been saying that the women on the show should let Cliff, Elvin (and Denise's husband, whatever his name was) walk all over them...In fact, although I only watched the show for the first 3 or 4 years it was on, before it got out of hand, I can't think of a single instance when Cliff 'walked all over' Claire...but if you'd care to enlighten me, I'm all ears...

But the show turned into a constant male bashing forum, in which Clair, Denise and Sondra were always right, and the men were always wrong, and always idiots... ooo, don't let Cliff in the kitchen, why, he can't even handle a juicer...

The men never spoke up for THEMselves... like I said in a prior post, if Cliff wants to eat a sandwich, let him eat the darn sandwich! Who the hell is Claire to be telling him what he can and can't eat? HE'S the Doctor, not her!

Especially in the case of Claire and Sondra, the women on the Cosby Show were nothing more than Amazon creatures who exist for no other purpose than to dominate men.




...I don't think that Clair was dominate (sic) or that Cliff was weak. I think they had an equal partnership in their marriage.

You must have been watching a different Cosby Show that the rest of us saw. Cliff was very, very weak, as was Elvin.


...I'm glad that they had a powerful, intelligent, beauty well spoken, educated black woman on TV. Their weren't that many black woman back in the 80's like that in a sitcom...

Cliff was also intelligent (although not always portrayed that way) and obviously equally well-educated. And while I will certainly grant you that Cliff can't touch Claire in the looks department, her physical beauty doesn't change the type of character she was, which was bossy, dominant and above all, always, always right!

... I guess it's true what they say, that women will tear each other apart, instead of applauding her for all of her good work.

For the record, I'm a guy, and while I'll be the first to admit that Claire was a beautiful woman (one of the reasons I liked her a lot when the show first started), again, it was the combination of her overbearing dominance and Cliff's weakness that, in my opinion, made the show much less than it could have been, in terms of the portrayal of positive female AND male black role models. If one wishes to say that Claire was a great black female role model, merely because she played an attorney, I suppose you could make a case...but again, the lack of a strong black male on that show was to its detriment, imo.

Another thing that irritates me about Claire is that she seems snooty. She looks at people like they're wasting her time or something :rolleyes:

Another thing that irritates me about Claire is that she seems snooty. She looks at people like they're wasting her time or something :rolleyes:


Yeah, exactly! I'd stopped watching the show by the time this happened, but to quote a 'jump the shark post': "...they (Cliff and Claire) acted holier-than-thou to any adult that didn't have a prestigious college education. Remember Denise's husband and Vanessa's fiance?"


I remember seeing the episode when Vanessa brought her fiance home (I think his name was 'Dabney' on the show)... you'd have thought she picked this guy out of a shelter for homeless crack-addicts by the way Cliff and Claire acted toward him...

Oh I know. I was watching an episode of A Different World today and it had a crossover thing with Claire, Denise, Martin, Dwayne and Whitley, and Claire looked at Dwayne like he was something she scraped off the bottom of her shoe, she did the same to Whitley too :mad:

Again, none of us have been saying that the women on the show should let Cliff, Elvin (and Denise's husband, whatever his name was) walk all over them...In fact, although I only watched the show for the first 3 or 4 years it was on, before it got out of hand, I can't think of a single instance when Cliff 'walked all over' Claire...but if you'd care to enlighten me, I'm all ears...
But the show turned into a constant male bashing forum, in which Clair, Denise and Sondra were always right, and the men were always wrong, and always idiots... ooo, don't let Cliff in the kitchen, why, he can't even handle a juicer...
The men never spoke up for THEMselves... like I said in a prior post, if Cliff wants to eat a sandwich, let him eat the darn sandwich! Who the hell is Claire to be telling him what he can and can't eat? HE'S the Doctor, not her!

Especially in the case of Claire and Sondra, the women on the Cosby Show were nothing more than Amazon creatures who exist for no other purpose than to dominate men.

You must have been watching a different Cosby Show that the rest of us saw. Cliff was very, very weak, as was Elvin.

Cliff was also intelligent (although not always portrayed that way) and obviously equally well-educated. And while I will certainly grant you that Cliff can't touch Claire in the looks department, her physical beauty doesn't change the type of character she was, which was bossy, dominant and above all, always, always right!

For the record, I'm a guy, and while I'll be the first to admit that Claire was a beautiful woman (one of the reasons I liked her a lot when the show first started), again, it was the combination of her overbearing dominance and Cliff's weakness that, in my opinion, made the show much less than it could have been, in terms of the portrayal of positive female AND male black role models. If one wishes to say that Claire was a great black female role model, merely because she played an attorney, I suppose you could make a case...but again, the lack of a strong black male on that show was to its detriment, imo.


And my point is that ya'll are just knit picking at things that are so trivial and doesn't really mean anything. To the women who are married in this forum I know that once in a while you'll tell your husband that he doesn't need a certain thing that he wants. Also if your husband has HI CHOLESTEROL (( LIKE CLIFF DID )) and he wants to eat nothing but fatty foods, I would hope that being a loving wife that you, would tell your husband that he didn't need to eat all the fatty foods that he wants to eat. And tell him that he couldn't slather his sandwiches with mayonnaise, and that he couldn't eat mounds of pretzels and drink sugary sodas by the bottles and eat a mound of salt. All those things is what Cliff was doing and Clair being the loving wife had to tell him over and over that since he had HI CHOLESTEROL that he couldn't eat all those things that he use to eat as a young man. And she had to tell him that over and over and over and over again, So I can see why she would nag him about his eating habits she loved her husband and she didn't want to see him die of a heart attack at a young age.

And there has been times where Cliff has told Clair what to do. In an episode, in season one when Rudy's goldfish dies and no one wanted to dress for his funeral and Cliff made everyone including Clair dress up for the fish funeral. When Clair broke her toe, she didn't want to go to the hospital, Cliff made her to the hospital. When Clair was exhausted from working long hours and she wanted to go up to bed for a few days, Cliff wouldn't let her, he made her go to this cabin and stay for the weekend. When Clair had gained some weight and she went on a diet because she couldn't fit in a dress. And Cliff made it hell on her when by fixing her favorite foods, and I believe that at one point Clair wanted to just buy another dress and Cliff wouldn't let her.

About the other women on the show. We all know that Elvin was a chauvinist pig. He thought that the man shouldn't cook and that the woman should stay home and take care of kids. So there's no reason to go into details about Elvin and Sondra's marriage. Now about Denise and Martin, Martin was always on Denise case, when she screwed up and didn't get the housing for them he YELLED at her in the car about how dumb she was for messing up with their housing. And that whole BBQ episode that everyone is bring up, that was the only time you ever saw Denise get mad at Martin the way she did. And you never saw the grandparents fighting with each other then the BBQ episode. So that point that everyone is trying to make is hopeless because it's all knit-picking. So I don't see how the show was about male bashing because I didn't see it

And who in their right mind would let Cliff fix anything in their house. The man screwed up the dishwasher, knocked a hole in the shower wall, knocked a hole in the kitchen wall, Couldn't fix the kitchen door and for a while the doorbell that he was trying to fix was electrocuting people. So yeah I can see why Clair didn't want Cliff to have any power tools and why she didn't want him going to the hardware store. And Clair wasn't snotty she didn't like stupidity.

There's nothing wrong with Claire wanting to see Cliff eat right, but to actually eat foods that he shouldn't eat in front of him, that's just plain rude, mean and cruel :mad:

There's nothing wrong with Claire wanting to see Cliff eat right, but to actually eat foods that he shouldn't eat in front of him, that's just plain rude, mean and cruel :mad:


What did she eat in front of him that he couldn't eat?? When he had to take a physical and he had to eat salad, she ate salad right along with him.

What did she eat in front of him that he couldn't eat?? When he had to take a physical and he had to eat salad, she ate salad right along with him.


I can't remember exactly what she was eating but it was something Cliff couldn't have

I asked my boyfriend today abt the Cosby show. I didn't mention anything abt this thread, and YET!!! He also said he loved the show, but he found Claire snooty, bossy, controlling and rather THAN NAG CLIFF, she could have found a way to talk to Cliff abt his eating less cholesterol foods and so forth. Ok, let's assume Cliff had high cholesterol, he is an adult, and a doctor at that. If he won't follow the advice of his own doctor, will the NAGGING of a wife get thru to him? Ask any man or guy and you know they will say NO! My boyfriend shouldn't eat certain foods, but as much as I love him, I can only say so much. Cliff is an adult, and it's not like he ate those foot long sandwiches everyday. It was once in a while. If he sat home, laid on the couch, ate like that everyday, didn't exercise (remember Cliff was active) then I could see Claire worrying abt him, but for God's sake, treat him like the adult he is.

Oh I know. I was watching an episode of A Different World today and it had a crossover thing with Claire, Denise, Martin, Dwayne and Whitley, and Claire looked at Dwayne like he was something she scraped off the bottom of her shoe, she did the same to Whitley too :mad:
yeah, that too. the look on their faces says alot.

I guess the consensus here is that the Claire character is not well liked. I like the fact that she was a career woman, a lawyer, etc. but she didn't need to carry that dominating factor in the home. She could have been strong-willed without being controlling and Cliff could have been shown not being so weak.

..Also if your husband has HI CHOLESTEROL (( LIKE CLIFF DID )) and he wants to eat nothing but fatty foods, I would hope that being a loving wife that you, would tell your husband that he didn't need to eat all the fatty foods that he wants to eat. And tell him that he couldn't slather his sandwiches with mayonnaise, and that he couldn't eat mounds of pretzels and drink sugary sodas by the bottles and eat a mound of salt. All those things is what Cliff was doing and Clair being the loving wife had to tell him over and over that since he had HI CHOLESTEROL that he couldn't eat all those things that he use to eat as a young man. And she had to tell him that over and over and over and over again, So I can see why she would nag him about his eating habits she loved her husband and she didn't want to see him die of a heart attack at a young age.

I'm glad you're admitting that Claire was nagging Cliff...that's a good start...But the only way Cliff would have died of a heart attack is if that was written into the show. Otherwise, Claire could have just let him eat an occasional sandwich when he wanted to... hi cholestorol can be controlled with medications (granted, you shouldn't necessarily ALWAYS eat junk like that, but one sandwich per TV season certainly won't kill you).


..And there has been times where Cliff has told Clair what to do. In an episode, in season one when Rudy's goldfish dies and no one wanted to dress for his funeral and Cliff made everyone including Clair dress up for the fish funeral. ...

I always wondered why Claire wasn't more sympathetic toward Rudy after she lost her goldfish...Cliff was the only one who felt bad for Rudy (even though she basically forgot about the fish as soon as the "funeral" was over).


...When Clair broke her toe, she didn't want to go to the hospital, Cliff made her to the hospital....

Again, Cliff was a doctor, Claire was not. But she thought she knew how to take care of a broken toe better than he did...should he have advised her on her great body of legal work?



... So I don't see how the show was about male bashing because I didn't see it

And who in their right mind would let Cliff fix anything in their house. The man screwed up the dishwasher, knocked a hole in the shower wall, knocked a hole in the kitchen wall, Couldn't fix the kitchen door and for a while the doorbell that he was trying to fix was electrocuting people. So yeah I can see why Clair didn't want Cliff to have any power tools and why she didn't want him going to the hardware store. ...

If you didn't see any male bashing, how do you explain the next paragraph in your comments? Cliff Huxtable was a lame character and a sorry-ass role model for black males (assuming that's what Cosby wanted Cliff to be).



...And Clair wasn't snotty she didn't like stupidity.

Again, I draw your attention to her first meeting with Dabney...her dislike of him had nothing to do with any lack of intelligence on Dabney's part...it had to do with Claire (and Cliff) being snooty and looking down on him, and automatically assuming he wasn't good enough to associate with Vanessa, much less marry her.

Well said Tweety!!!

Cliff wouldn't dare even try to talk LEGALESE with Clair. She had on occasion used that style of talking in her home life. When Rudy used the juicer, she had to talk to Cliff like he was a 'defendant'. She put him on appliance 'probation'. She may have been the boss at work, but that doesn't mean one must behave that way at home.

Why didn't Claire put her foot down when it came time to put Denise in her place abt her education (or lack of it)? Yes, there were talks she had with her, but she didn't get on her ass like she did when Sondra was thinking abt opening a camping store:rolleyes:

Claire should have been more sympathetic with the goldfish thing. As a mother, my teen daughter has had at least three hamsters die and each time she took it hard. I sympathized with her and I even made a little cloth to wrap the hamster in and then I went and made a little grave for each one and buried them for her. She was too heartbroken. Of course, after two days, she was over the hamster loss.

Thanks, Irene -

And I know what you mean about burying pets... when I was a kid, we buried a couple of hamsters, a couple of squirrels, and even a bat... my brother found a bat one time (and named it Boris, after Karloff) and kept it in a cage for a while (no wonder it died)... all in about a 2 year period from 67-69...

I'm sure that, buried all over this great land of ours, are a few hundred thousand Maxwell House (or Chock-full-o-Nuts) coffee cans, with the remains of hamsters, squirrels etc in them.

And man, I HATED when people like Claire and Sondra throw their 'education' around the house in order to prove their superiority...

Like when Claire put Theo on 'trial' for arriving late from a track meet. And Rudy and her stupid friends were the jury, with Vanessa as a judge... I mean, WTF? Oooo, and wasn't Claire just a shark dealing with Theo and his buddy? Wow, what a tough woman...I guess the message for Theo was, "in THIS house, women rule, you men are inferior creatures who are not worthy of us, so you might as well learn that now, son."

And with Sondra, I remember an episode when Denise confides in her that she (Denise) flunked a test or something in college...then Sondra starts getting on her case about telling Mom and Dad...and Denise snaps at her, telling her to lay off, she'll tell them when she's good and ready... so Sondra mutters, under her breath, "hmmmm....strong defensive reaction". Why is it that every first semester psychology student is always shown going around psycho-analyzing everyone? Jill Taylor from "Home Improvement" was the same way....how annoying! I knew people in college that were psychology majors, but none of them thought they were experts after merely reading the first chapter of Psych 101....


And where the heck did Sondra come from, anyway??

Thanks, Irene -

And I know what you mean about burying pets... when I was a kid, we buried a couple of hamsters, a couple of squirrels, and even a bat... my brother found a bat one time (and named it Boris, after Karloff) and kept it in a cage for a while (no wonder it died)... all in about a 2 year period from 67-69...

I'm sure that, buried all over this great land of ours, are a few hundred thousand Maxwell House (or Chock-full-o-Nuts) coffee cans, with the remains of hamsters, squirrels etc in them.

And man, I HATED when people like Claire and Sondra throw their 'education' around the house in order to prove their superiority...

Like when Claire put Theo on 'trial' for arriving late from a track meet. And Rudy and her stupid friends were the jury, with Vanessa as a judge... I mean, WTF? Oooo, and wasn't Claire just a shark dealing with Theo and his buddy? Wow, what a tough woman...I guess the message for Theo was, "in THIS house, women rule, you men are inferior creatures who are not worthy of us, so you might as well learn that now, son."

And with Sondra, I remember an episode when Denise confides in her that she (Denise) flunked a test or something in college...then Sondra starts getting on her case about telling Mom and Dad...and Denise snaps at her, telling her to lay off, she'll tell them when she's good and ready... so Sondra mutters, under her breath, "hmmmm....strong defensive reaction". Why is it that every first semester psychology student is always shown going around psycho-analyzing everyone? Jill Taylor from "Home Improvement" was the same way....how annoying! I knew people in college that were psychology majors, but none of them thought they were experts after merely reading the first chapter of Psych 101....


And where the heck did Sondra come from, anyway??
you know what Tweety, I kinda didn't like Sondra myself. do you think I should make a I HATE SONDRA THREAD???? lol
Exactly what you said abt that psychology crap. Sondra also did that crap when Cliff and her and Clair were in the kitchen talking abt how Denise was indecisive abt which college to go to...(please, that dumb girl was thinking abt going to Univ.of North Dakota just because no one else she knew was going there...:rolleyes: ) and then Sondra starts spewing out junk abt how Denise's indecisiveness is probably a more complex problem aka really meaning "she is not ready for college and needs to explore 'LIFE' " WTF? who the hell died and made Sondra a psychologist? even Cliff rolls his eyes when he knows Sondra is going to say something stupid.

I'm glad you're admitting that Claire was nagging Cliff...that's a good start...But the only way Cliff would have died of a heart attack is if that was written into the show. Otherwise, Claire could have just let him eat an occasional sandwich when he wanted to... hi cholestorol can be controlled with medications (granted, you shouldn't necessarily ALWAYS eat junk like that, but one sandwich per TV season certainly won't kill you).

I always wondered why Claire wasn't more sympathetic toward Rudy after she lost her goldfish...Cliff was the only one who felt bad for Rudy (even though she basically forgot about the fish as soon as the "funeral" was over).

Again, Cliff was a doctor, Claire was not. But she thought she knew how to take care of a broken toe better than he did...should he have advised her on her great body of legal work?

If you didn't see any male bashing, how do you explain the next paragraph in your comments? Cliff Huxtable was a lame character and a sorry-ass role model for black males (assuming that's what Cosby wanted Cliff to be).

Again, I draw your attention to her first meeting with Dabney...her dislike of him had nothing to do with any lack of intelligence on Dabney's part...it had to do with Claire (and Cliff) being snooty and looking down on him, and automatically assuming he wasn't good enough to associate with Vanessa, much less marry her.


Why in the hell would someone ruin their health by eating all the hi fatty foods that they wanted. If you watched The Cosby Show when Cliff went to the doctors the doc told Cliff that his fat levels were HI (I.E. CHOLESTEROL) and he needed to cut back on his fat and salt intake. And the fact that you basically say that it's OK for him to eat fatty food because he can take medication shows how ignorant your whole post is. You don't let your health get so bad that you have to depend on medication to keep your Cholesterol under control when all you have to do is watch what you eat. Also if you watched The Cosby Show you would see that this was a battle between Clair and Cliff. If you were to watch the episode where his friends was talking about having a heart attack you would see what Clair was trying to get through to Cliff and Cliff finally gets it.

I don't think that Cliff was a weak role-model for black men, He was a smart man who took care of his family gave kids the best education's. He spent time with his kids he loved his kids. He adored his wife and he loved and respected his parents. Just because Cliff wasn't going around and yelling and screaming at his kids and wife doesn't make him a weak man.

Now someone asked for examples in which Cliff made Clair do certain things that she didn't want to do and I pointed those things out to you. I have no idea who Dabney is, Now if your talking about Dabnis, I can see why Clair and Cliff would be taken aback by him. This is a strange man who's in his 30's and he's dating their 19 yr old. They hadn't met him and they didn't know anything about the man. Now how would you feel if your teenage daughter brought a man home who you've never met to tell you that they are getting married, adding the fact that he's 15/16 years older then Vanessa? Adding the fact that they had just went through the same thing with Denise. I can see why Cliff and Clair was pissed. It was all about how Vanessa brought Dabnis to them without them knowing anything about the man. So Yes I stick to my point that Clair didn't like stupidity, I don't like stupidity.

Why in the hell would someone ruin their health by eating all the hi fatty foods that they wanted. If you watched The Cosby Show when Cliff went to the doctors the doc told Cliff that his fat levels were HI (I.E. CHOLESTEROL) and he needed to cut back on his fat and salt intake. And the fact that you basically say that it's OK for him to eat fatty food because he can take medication shows how ignorant your whole post is. ..

ok, fine...all that means is that the character of Cliff was specificaly created in such a way that Claire could nag him to death, which she did...fine...




Now someone asked for examples in which Cliff made Clair do certain things that she didn't want to do and I pointed those things out to you. I have no idea who Dabney is, Now if your talking about Dabnis, I can see why Clair and Cliff would be taken aback by him. ..

Obviously, I was going by the pronunciation of his name, not having seen it written before. So I think you probably had a pretty good idea of who I was talking about. Rather than go back through your previous posts and point out all of YOUR improper spellings and mis-uses of grammar (of which there are many), I'll just point out that it is incorrect to write "...if YOUR talking about Dabnis...". It should state "If YOU'RE talking about Dabnis." You're is a contraction that is short for "you are"...I'm sure that this is what you MEANT to write, but it didn't come out that way...

Normally, I wouldn't point that out, but since you insist on feeling superior yourself, simply because I didn't know how to spell Dabnis' name, allow me to
bring you back down to earth with the rest of us...


.. Adding the fact that they had just went through the same thing with Denise. I can see why Cliff and Clair was pissed... It was all about how Vanessa brought Dabnis to them without them knowing anything about the man. So Yes I stick to my point that Clair didn't like stupidity, I don't like stupidity.

Shouldn't that be "..they had just GONE through the same thing with Denise.."?

Shouldn't that be "...I can see why Cliff and Clair WERE pissed..."?

you know what Tweety, I kinda didn't like Sondra myself. do you think I should make a I HATE SONDRA THREAD???? lol
Exactly what you said abt that psychology crap. Sondra also did that crap when Cliff and her and Clair were in the kitchen talking abt how Denise was indecisive abt which college to go to...(please, that dumb girl was thinking abt going to Univ.of North Dakota just because no one else she knew was going there...:rolleyes: ) and then Sondra starts spewing out junk abt how Denise's indecisiveness is probably a more complex problem aka really meaning "she is not ready for college and needs to explore 'LIFE' " WTF? who the hell died and made Sondra a psychologist? even Cliff rolls his eyes when he knows Sondra is going to say something stupid.

lol, I hate Sondra thread! Cool !

Yeah, I hated that character too...even though she was beautiful, as was Clair...of course, Elvin was even more of a wuss than Cliff...

Psychology seems to be the only subject in which TV characters can automatically become experts after reading the first chapter of a book. (heck, even Marcia Brady felt she had to explain the meaning of 'sibbling rivalry' to Carol and Mike in the Clark Tyson episode...).

The other thing I didn't like about Clair was that she constantly wore that annoying Jack-o-lantern grin on her face...

Ugh, Elvin...why would such a pretty girl like Sondra, who had better prospects, and was also so smart, choose a wimp and sexist person as Elvin????? i guess she wasn't that smart. or, she couldn't find a strong man to push around.
I think Bill purposely chose that character type simply for the laughs and the humor that can be brought into the scripts, but still, it annoyed the freakin' hell outta me that the men were put down, bashed, put in their place, etc.

It's funny the heart attack of the Huxtables' friend was brought up, because I was going to bring it up myself. That is a good example of how, unfortunately, when it comes to men, it takes something bad to happen to them, BEFORE THEY GET THE MESSAGE!!! Men are funny creatures. A wife can talk, nag, speak, yell, cry themselves to death telling their spouses what's good for them, what they should or shouldn't be eating, doing, etc. However, it takes a heart attack to bring them to the attention that they need to care for themselves. Cliff was a doctor. He knows what he is doing. He also had a doctor tell him. If he is going to ignore that advise, what can anyone do? Lock the refrigerator? Nag them to death? The Huxtable friend who had the heart attack was ready to eat that pizza slice until his wife walked in...if she hadn't, he would have eaten it. Even after suffering a heart attack, it still didn't keep him from wanting to eat junk food.

Sorry, but men are "hard-headed" people who will sometimes continue to do their own thing.

Ugh, Elvin...why would such a pretty girl like Sondra, who had better prospects, and was also so smart, choose a wimp and sexist person as Elvin????? i guess she wasn't that smart. or, she couldn't find a strong man to push around.
I think Bill purposely chose that character type simply for the laughs and the humor that can be brought into the scripts, but still, it annoyed the freakin' hell outta me that the men were put down, bashed, put in their place, etc.

It's funny the heart attack of the Huxtables' friend was brought up, because I was going to bring it up myself. That is a good example of how, unfortunately, when it comes to men, it takes something bad to happen to them, BEFORE THEY GET THE MESSAGE!!! Men are funny creatures. A wife can talk, nag, speak, yell, cry themselves to death telling their spouses what's good for them, what they should or shouldn't be eating, doing, etc. However, it takes a heart attack to bring them to the attention that they need to care for themselves. Cliff was a doctor. He knows what he is doing. He also had a doctor tell him. If he is going to ignore that advise, what can anyone do? Lock the refrigerator? Nag them to death? The Huxtable friend who had the heart attack was ready to eat that pizza slice until his wife walked in...if she hadn't, he would have eaten it. Even after suffering a heart attack, it still didn't keep him from wanting to eat junk food.

Sorry, but men are "hard-headed" people who will sometimes continue to do their own thing.

Hey Irene,

Elvin reminds me of Michael Evans in not having a job after his series ended.:lol:

Hey Irene,

Elvin reminds me of Michael Evans in not having a job after his series ended.:lol:
OMG, you are right. He hasn't appeared in anything has he? :lol:

ok, fine...all that means is that the character of Cliff was specificaly created in such a way that Claire could nag him to death, which she did...fine...Obviously, I was going by the pronunciation of his name, not having seen it written before. So I think you probably had a pretty good idea of who I was talking about. Rather than go back through your previous posts and point out all of YOUR improper spellings and mis-uses of grammar (of which there are many), I'll just point out that it is incorrect to write "...if YOUR talking about Dabnis...". It should state "If YOU'RE talking about Dabnis." You're is a contraction that is short for "you are"...I'm sure that this is what you MEANT to write, but it didn't come out that way...
Normally, I wouldn't point that out, but since you insist on feeling superior yourself, simply because I didn't know how to spell Dabnis' name, allow me to
bring you back down to earth with the rest of us...Shouldn't that be "..they had just GONE through the same thing with Denise.."? Shouldn't that be "...I can see why Cliff and Clair WERE pissed..."?

Awww, Well aren't you sweet to point out my minor mistakes. I see some in your post, so maybe you should reread your post and correct yours as well.


Ugh, Elvin...why would such a pretty girl like Sondra, who had better prospects, and was also so smart, choose a wimp and sexist person as Elvin????? i guess she wasn't that smart. or, she couldn't find a strong man to push around.
I think Bill purposely chose that character type simply for the laughs and the humor that can be brought into the scripts, but still, it annoyed the freakin' hell outta me that the men were put down, bashed, put in their place, etc.

It's funny the heart attack of the Huxtables' friend was brought up, because I was going to bring it up myself. That is a good example of how, unfortunately, when it comes to men, it takes something bad to happen to them, BEFORE THEY GET THE MESSAGE!!! Men are funny creatures. A wife can talk, nag, speak, yell, cry themselves to death telling their spouses what's good for them, what they should or shouldn't be eating, doing, etc. However, it takes a heart attack to bring them to the attention that they need to care for themselves. Cliff was a doctor. He knows what he is doing. He also had a doctor tell him. If he is going to ignore that advise, what can anyone do? Lock the refrigerator? Nag them to death? The Huxtable friend who had the heart attack was ready to eat that pizza slice until his wife walked in...if she hadn't, he would have eaten it. Even after suffering a heart attack, it still didn't keep him from wanting to eat junk food

Sorry, but men are "hard-headed" people who will sometimes continue to do their own thing.

Irene that's all I was trying to say, Clair kept telling Clff over and over that he should watch what he was eating. So when you keep telling a person not to do something over and over it comes off as nagging. I know you have done the same thing with your husband, every wife has, even some husbands.

Awww, Well aren't you sweet to point out my minor mistakes. I see some in your post, so maybe you should reread your post and correct yours as well.




Irene that's all I was trying to say, Clair kept telling Clff over and over that he should watch what he was eating. So when you keep telling a person not to do something over and over it comes off as nagging. I know you have done the same thing with your husband, every wife has, even some husbands.
I sure do Brie. I have told my man he shouldn't eat so much sweets, etc. but I also learned that men will have to wait until something bad happens. that's the way they are made. I gave up nagging after my first marriage, because all it does is give you a headache. In my relationship with my man, I sit back and let him make his mistakes because, kinda like kids, they will make mistakes and hopefully they will learn. I can see Claire wanted Cliff to be around for a long time, but the methods she used were not going to work. All it does is make Cliff want to be sneaky. I would rather my man know how I feel, and allow him to be a man and not let him think he has to sneak around to eat. He knows what he needs to do. My man doesn't tell me when to get a check-up, get a mammogram (well, once maybe lol) but when I did it, I turned to him and told him that from now on, I will keep up my health and my medical appts. because I love myself and want to be around for my kids. My example, I hope will be the best tool to use to show my man that I can take care of myself and hopefully he will see that and follow in my footsteps. I go to the gym and I can see he is now watching his weight, etc.

I sure do Brie. I have told my man he shouldn't eat so much sweets, etc. but I also learned that men will have to wait until something bad happens. that's the way they are made. I gave up nagging after my first marriage, because all it does is give you a headache. In my relationship with my man, I sit back and let him make his mistakes because, kinda like kids, they will make mistakes and hopefully they will learn. I can see Claire wanted Cliff to be around for a long time, but the methods she used were not going to work. All it does is make Cliff want to be sneaky. I would rather my man know how I feel, and allow him to be a man and not let him think he has to sneak around to eat. He knows what he needs to do. My man doesn't tell me when to get a check-up, get a mammogram (well, once maybe lol) but when I did it, I turned to him and told him that from now on, I will keep up my health and my medical appts. because I love myself and want to be around for my kids. My example, I hope will be the best tool to use to show my man that I can take care of myself and hopefully he will see that and follow in my footsteps. I go to the gym and I can see he is now watching his weight, etc.


It's hard as hell to get some men to go to the doctor for a checkup. It's the same with some women, they are scared to go because they think that they'll hear bad news. So I applaud Cliff for even taking the time to go to the doctor. We have all nagged others (children and spouses) to do things that they didn't want to do. It's human nature, and you only do it out of love. So no one is perfect and no marriage is perfect. Marriage is hard work and you have to actually work at it to make it work. And it's always easy for outsiders to look at others and say what they should or shouldn't do. Even though The Cosby Show is fiction. So I can't/won't knock others marriages because that's what works for them :)

Awww, Well aren't you sweet to point out my minor mistakes. I see some in your post, so maybe you should reread your post and correct yours as well.


Feel free to point them out.

Feel free to point them out.

Actually I see it in your post, But since IT'S AGAINST THE RULES TO PICK OUT MISTAKES IN OTHERS POST, I'll leave that alone.

your guys' feud makes me giggle.



I hated the Sondra charactor too. (I agree both Sabrina and Phylicia are beautiful.)



ditto. I think alot of the faults that people pull out are more for comedic purposes, and - my opinion - I think The Cosby Show is more realistic than most other sitcoms, not saying that there isnt one more realistic...
True. But I will take Roseanne being the more realistic show any day. I will admit after the lottery win, that show jumped the shark...:(

What was the deal in Phlycia's marriage to Victor Willis of the Village People?

What was the deal in Phlycia's marriage to Victor Willis of the Village People?
Well, she married him and he was a substance abuser.

Yeah, he was a cocaine addict back then, and apparantly still is. Supposedly thats why Phylicia divorced him. They were only married for like 2 years and that was in the 70s, so I think it's a little rediculous all the media surrounding him and his problems has to bring that up.


:yeahthat Thank you, that's their personal business, it's not for us to judge, Everyone isn't perfect.

Yeah, he was a cocaine addict back then, and apparantly still is. Supposedly thats why Phylicia divorced him. They were only married for like 2 years and that was in the 70s, so I think it's a little rediculous all the media surrounding him and his problems has to bring that up.
What media???? A poster inquired abt her husband, who was a famous person in the late 70's, she wasn't. Now, it's her who is obviously in the limelight and he isn't. When a celebrity is in the limelight, it is obvious their past will be brought forth.

What media???? A poster inquired abt her husband, who was a famous person in the late 70's, she wasn't. Now, it's her who is obviously in the limelight and he isn't. When a celebrity is in the limelight, it is obvious their past will be brought forth.


I think she was talking about in general. I personally don't think it's any of my business what celebrities do in their personal lives. Everyone is entitled to a little privacy. But I saw something on him about 3 months ago about his drug use, I think it was on Extra or one of those News Magazine shows. They were talking about the Village People.

Also when she married him she didn't know that he was on drugs since he was on the road a lot. You never know what your other half is doing when your not around them. The important thing is that she divorced him. I know that there are people here who has been divorced over things that you wouldn't want the world to know about.

... I personally don't think it's any of my business what celebrities do in their personal lives. Everyone is entitled to a little privacy. But I saw something on him about 3 months ago about his drug use, I think it was on Extra or one of those News Magazine shows. They were talking about the Village People. ...


If you don't think it's any of your business what celebs do in their personal lives, you shouldn't be watching shows like Extra... :lol:

And of all things for them to be talking about...some worthless group from almost 30 years ago...had to have been a slow 'news' week...

If you don't think it's any of your business what celebs do in their personal lives, you shouldn't be watching shows like Extra... :lol:

And of all things for them to be talking about...some worthless group from almost 30 years ago...had to have been a slow 'news' week...
Anyways, this is a forum, and if we didn't talk abt celebrities and their personal lives, this board would be dead.

Man, I had no idea that Phylicia had such good taste in men!

Man, I had no idea that Phylicia had such good taste in men!
:lol:

Man, I had no idea that Phylicia had such good taste in men!
LOL!!!:wave:

Again, no one here has had a perfect marriage/relationship. And what does Phylicia's marriage have anything to do with The Cosby Show?

...what does Phylicia's marriage have anything to do with The Cosby Show?


Well, nothing really... and I had no idea she had been married to some dude from the Village People...

Think she thought she could become famous more quickly if she married somebody that was already famous? Couldn't have been true love, could it? Plus, she had one child from her first marriage (to William Lancelot Bowles Jr., a dentist, they were married from '72 to '75)... Don't know what happened to that kid... wonder what the kid thought when Mom brought home a guy from the Village People?

She and Willis of the Village People were married from '78 to '80 (no kids), and then she and Ahmad were married from 1985-2001 - she and Ahmad had one child.

No info on how either kid is doing these days... one can only imagine...

About Claire nagging on Cliff about what he eats, I know she does it out of love; she doesn't want to lose Cliff in a heart attack. But she has the wrong method. I have weight problems myself, and I know, that nagging won't help. There are very few times, when Claire actually supported Cliff instead of nagging him and denying him evertything "unhealthy".

And even besides this, I agree, that she sure can be bossy and snobbish and condescending. And she often has this nasty "I'm better than you" look on her face, that just makes me want to slap her.

About Claire nagging on Cliff about what he eats, I know she does it out of love; she doesn't want to lose Cliff in a heart attack. But she has the wrong method. I have weight problems myself, and I know, that nagging won't help. There are very few times, when Claire actually supported Cliff instead of nagging him and denying him evertything "unhealthy".

And even besides this, I agree, that she sure can be bossy and snobbish and condescending. And she often has this nasty "I'm better than you" look on her face, that just makes me want to slap her.
:rotflmao: :yeahthat

Good points! At times Claire was a little too bossy(which Rudy takes after as we can see with Buuuuuud!!!!!!!!!)

But lets not forget OTHER female T.V characters that bossed their man around. Harriette Winslow did it for years(minus the fact that Carl Winslow was CLEARLY a crad carrying member of the limp-wristed nation) and at times Vivian Banks bossed Phil around too and my all time worst punk...

DAVID from Roseanne. David and later on Mark, was super punks compared to Cliff Huxtable. Darlene was ten times as worse to David as Claire to Cliff.

What kinda weak ass women do ya'll want to see on TV. I think that the women should be pride that a woman can hold her own and speak up for herself. I don't think that Clair was dominate or that Cliff was weak. I think they had an equal partnership in their marriage. Like someone posted their have been many times where Cliff has bossed Clair around. This is just a bunch of knit-picking. I'm glad that they had a powerful, intelligent, beauty well spoken, educated black woman on TV. Their weren't that many black woman back in the 80's like that in a sitcom.

I guess it's true what they say, that women will tear each other apart, instead of applauding her for all of her good work.

:wave: I'm going to give you a standing 'O'!!! Claire Huxtable to me, is the ONLY female character on T.V who had it going on! Never seen a woman, especially a black woman quite as stunning and well spoken like Claire(Vivian Banks also but that character doesn't count especially when they replaced Janet Hubert with the most wooden actress ever to grace a television set!)

Where are the "I Hate Darlene" threads? She was the most bossiest character on T.V, bossier than Claire but no one is attacking her! Darlene treated David like a world class punk and yet, all everyone can talk about is Claire Huxtable!

I've met Ms. Rashad up close before and my god... she is totally breathtaking and a down to earth human being. People are complaining how The Cosby Show was un-realistic and too hyped up.... okay and Good Times and Friends aren't? Friends, a show with that had nothing but white people in the background in NEW FREAKING YORK CITY?

People, shows aren't meant to be realistic that's why it's called SITCOMS.. even Roseanne had it's unrealistic moments(winning the lottery, fighting terrorists on a train, letting your daughter's boyfriend who is most likely having unprotected sex with her realistic? Give me a break!)

As much as I hate Full House, I don't go out of my way and talk about how much of a douche bag all three of the guys on there are. Remember, all of the women Joey, Jesse, and Danny dated were control freaks too, even D.J controlled Steve!

Oh I know. I was watching an episode of A Different World today and it had a crossover thing with Claire, Denise, Martin, Dwayne and Whitley, and Claire looked at Dwayne like he was something she scraped off the bottom of her shoe, she did the same to Whitley too :mad:

Were you watching the same episode as me?:confused:

Where in the world did they all looked at Dwayne like he was scraped off the bottom of her shoe?

Good god, almost everyone is trying to bash Claire every chance they get:rolleyes: .

Roseanne has looked at(or rather talked to people) any kind of way. I love Roseanne but do a fair share of bashing people!

As much as I hate Full House, I don't go out of my way and talk about how much of a douche bag all three of the guys on there are. Remember, all of the women Joey, Jesse, and Danny dated were control freaks too, even D.J controlled Steve!
This is so true also, but that doesn't mean Claire Huxtable should be let off the hook either.

I also remembered an episode, where Claire wouldn't let Cliff keep the soffa. There wasn't even any room for discussion about it. He just had to obey her. Okay, the old soffa was still there the episode after that, so I like to think, that Cliff eventually managed to talk Claire into letting him keep it a litte longer. But in the episode after that one, it was replaced with the soffa, that Claire had wanted two episodes earlier, so it was clear, that SHE was in charge and SHE ruled the house.

This is so true also, but that doesn't mean Claire Huxtable should be let off the hook either.

Yeah, Claire gets a pass because she was a easy on the eyes;) .

Yeah, Claire gets a pass because she was a easy on the eyes;) .
True. :lol: She can be just as hard/controlling as any man!

True. :lol: She can be just as hard/controlling as any man!

I'll admit, she was controlling, but I wasn't even paying attention to that, I was busy just looking at her if you know what I mean;) .

I'll admit, she was controlling, but I wasn't even paying attention to that, I was busy just looking at her if you know what I mean;) .
;) :lol: I do.

;) :lol: I do.

I was a fresh little kid, what can I say?:lol:

:wave: I'm going to give you a standing 'O'!!! Claire Huxtable to me, is the ONLY female character on T.V who had it going on! Never seen a woman, especially a black woman quite as stunning and well spoken like Claire(Vivian Banks also but that character doesn't count especially when they replaced Janet Hubert with the most wooden actress ever to grace a television set!)

Where are the "I Hate Darlene" threads? She was the most bossiest character on T.V, bossier than Claire but no one is attacking her! Darlene treated David like a world class punk and yet, all everyone can talk about is Claire Huxtable!

I've met Ms. Rashad up close before and my god... she is totally breathtaking and a down to earth human being. People are complaining how The Cosby Show was un-realistic and too hyped up.... okay and Good Times and Friends aren't? Friends, a show with that had nothing but white people in the background in NEW FREAKING YORK CITY?

People, shows aren't meant to be realistic that's why it's called SITCOMS.. even Roseanne had it's unrealistic moments(winning the lottery, fighting terrorists on a train, letting your daughter's boyfriend who is most likely having unprotected sex with her realistic? Give me a break!)

As much as I hate Full House, I don't go out of my way and talk about how much of a douche bag all three of the guys on there are. Remember, all of the women Joey, Jesse, and Danny dated were control freaks too, even D.J controlled Steve!

:clap: AMEN SISTER AMEN!!!! I totally agree :notworthy

I also just saw an episode, where Claire wouldn't let Cliff keep his chocolate donuts, his chocolate milk or his potatoe chips. She made Theo take it all away. She insulted him, saying he couldn't discipline himself, and just because he had taken ONE bite out of ONE of the donuts, she made him "cleanse his liver" with carrot and celery juice. I mean, what's that woman's problem? Thank God that Theo understood, that something was wrong, so he gave Cliff some of the food when Claire was asleep.

I also just saw an episode, where Claire wouldn't let Cliff keep his chocolate donuts, his chocolate milk or his potatoe chips. She made Theo take it all away. She insulted him, saying he couldn't discipline himself, and just because he had taken ONE bite out of ONE of the donuts, she made him "cleanse his liver" with carrot and celery juice. I mean, what's that woman's problem? Thank God that Theo understood, that something was wrong, so he gave Cliff some of the food when Claire was asleep.
I can see if the man ate that crap 24/7/365 but he didn't. He was also a doctor and not to say that all doctors eat healthy, but give Cliff some credit here. He wasn't fat, lethargic, laying around (although we hardly saw him at work :rofl:) he just wanted his snack foods like anyone else. My boyfriend is on a diet for two reasons and once in a while he has his little "treats" but I don't chastise him or make him feel like a little boy, treating him like his "mommy"...he knows the consequences. Cliff saw his doctor regularly and it wasn't like he had high blood pressure or was on the verge of a heart attack. Still, I can see her concern, it just went overboard.

So this whole thread is about Claire not liking what Cliff choose to eat OR Wanting Cliff to eat healthy foods sometime? Yeah that's controlling :lol:

So this whole thread is about Claire not liking what Cliff choose to eat OR Wanting Cliff to eat healthy foods sometime? Yeah that's controlling :lol:
:rofl: Doesn't it? LOL

I think it's not that we feel that she was controlling in being concerned, it was HOW SHE WENT ABT IT, that seems overboard and a little quirky to me. I can't see telling a man to drink this to clear out your liver, kidney or whatever. :lol: :lol: It was just so bizarre. I realize it was for laughs that the character did this, but in reality, I wouldn't want my man telling me to do that and I certainly wouldn't tell him to do that. It is nonsense, bottom line. Her controlling aspect went beyond the limit many times. I love a strong woman like anyone else, I hate weak, naive, stupid women PERIOD. Claire was strong, opinionated, intelligient and so forth. It was those moments where I think she took that strong spirit TOO FAR. That is why a lot of people (especially men) get turned off by that, they see it as being told what to do. There are ways to get your point across without making someone, especially a man, feel like he is a kid. I know there are moments when guys need a "quick swift kick in the shins" to paraphrase Janice the moderator :rofl: I have no problem with that. :lol:

So this whole thread is about Claire disliking what Cliff choose to put in his body? And her trying to make her husband eat healthy food?

I can see if the man ate that crap 24/7/365 but he didn't. He was also a doctor and not to say that all doctors eat healthy, but give Cliff some credit here. He wasn't fat, lethargic, laying around (although we hardly saw him at work :rofl:) he just wanted his snack foods like anyone else. My boyfriend is on a diet for two reasons and once in a while he has his little "treats" but I don't chastise him or make him feel like a little boy, treating him like his "mommy"...he knows the consequences. Cliff saw his doctor regularly and it wasn't like he had high blood pressure or was on the verge of a heart attack. Still, I can see her concern, it just went overboard.
Well, I remember one episode, when Cliff went to his doctor, and one of his tests didn't turn out too good, and the children implied in the same episode, that he ate more than anyone else. But that episode ended on a much less ridiculous note. Cliff asked Claire to help him diet, and she was just as a wife should be to her husband in that situation, supportive without being bossy. But in every other episode, when Cliff's eating habits are mentioned, she just goes over the top. I guess it all comes down to Claire not wanting to lose Cliff in a heart attack or something, but one donut wouldn't kill him, not even one donut a day would. It's just crazy and not even funny.

And I also recently saw an episode about how Claire and another women of course had to beat their husbands in basketball. I think that one was over the top too. Okay, maybe Cliff isn't the best basketball player, but still...

I remember this thread. :lol:

Well, I remember one episode, when Cliff went to his doctor, and one of his tests didn't turn out too good, and the children implied in the same episode, that he ate more than anyone else. But that episode ended on a much less ridiculous note. Cliff asked Claire to help him diet, and she was just as a wife should be to her husband in that situation, supportive without being bossy. But in every other episode, when Cliff's eating habits are mentioned, she just goes over the top. I guess it all comes down to Claire not wanting to lose Cliff in a heart attack or something, but one donut wouldn't kill him, not even one donut a day would. It's just crazy and not even funny.
Supportive without being bossy...good way of putting it. Men don't like to feel like they are being "controlled" or treated like little boys, even though a lot of them do behave that way. :rofl:

My husband is 28, last month he traded his old truck in bought another new truck (why, I have no clue), he bought a new TV, and he bought some new golf clubs (why again I don't know). So last week after I received HIS credit card bills, I took HIS cards away from him. And until he get those bills down, he will not get his card back. :lol: If I didn't take his card away from him, he could buy lord knows what, he has a shopping habit.

He does the same thing with me, he knows that we go shopping together or to any store that has some sort of shoe section or crafts section, I would go crazy, so he would tell me to put things back. I think that's what Claire had to do with Cliff. I remember in episodes when Cliff would be eating big ass Hoagies and sodas with out Claire saying a word. Also in one episode when he went to the docs and he was told that his Cholesterol was up, he told the doc that he had eaten a whole cheesecake, chocolate soda, and some other dishes that his patients had made for him. And he had eaten all of that in one sitting. So I can see why Claire would have to be bossy, and tell him NO sometimes. It's all out of love and what's best. Who wants their husbands to die at an early age?

My husband is 28, last month he traded his old truck in bought another new truck (why, I have no clue), he bought a new TV, and he bought some new golf clubs (why again I don't know). So last week after I received HIS credit card bills, I took HIS cards away from him. And until he get those bills down, he will not get his card back. :lol: If I didn't take his card away from him, he could buy lord knows what, he has a shopping habit.

He does the same thing with me, he knows that we go shopping together or to any store that has some sort of shoe section or crafts section, I would go crazy, so he would tell me to put things back. I think that's what Claire had to do with Cliff. I remember in episodes when Cliff would be eating big ass Hoagies and sodas with out Claire saying a word. Also in one episode when he went to the docs and he was told that his Cholesterol was up, he told the doc that he had eaten a whole cheesecake, chocolate soda, and some other dishes that his patients had made for him. And he had eaten all of that in one sitting. So I can see why Claire would have to be bossy, and tell him NO sometimes. It's all out of love and what's best. Who wants their husbands to die at an early age?
Your post reminded me of that episode when Cliff is put on probation from "buying any sort of appliance" from Claire...:rofl: NOW! That was a reason for her needing to be in control. Cliff was OUTTA CONTROL there. :rofl:

At least Cliff was honest with his doctor abt what he ate. How many people tell their doctor the truth abt their eating habits? That's why I make sure I go with my boyfriend when he visits his doctor abt his diet. I am in control there without letting my man know I AM IN CHARGE. :cool: :lol: I tell him, "I love you and will support you, I want you around for a long time." Inside I am saying, "I don't trust that you will tell the doctor abt what you have been eating SO I will. "

I'm glad I found this thread. I had been looking for it for awhile.:D
There is a particular episode that I want to mention that made me just want to tell Clair to shut up! :mad:
Cliff and Clair's college professor was visiting and Cliff was trying to remember a poem that he had to memorize for college "She walks in beauty like the night..."
Cliff couldn't remember the poem after the first few words and kept repeating them over and over again to try to help him remember the poem, but he couldn't. Finally Clair spoke up and said the entire poem word for word. But the way she said it just made her come across like she was smarter and better than Cliff. It made me so mad! She one upped her own husband, in their own house in front of their college professor! How rude! I mean I just wanted to slap her! I don't even know that poem and I'm a really good reader and into poetry and all that, I couldn't even begin to tell you how that poem goes. Geez! Apparently Cliff got good grades in that class but Clair didn't but she still showed off by saying that poem word for word. Well, pin a rose on your nose Clair!:eek:

Another time was when Rudy got hurt when Theo accidentally dropped her and she hit her face against the wall. Cliff examined her and he said she was alright. He was a doctor and he would know. He checked her out real good and knew she was okay. But when Clair got home and found out, she told Cliff to take Rudy to the emergency room even after Cliff told her that he had checked her out and she was alright. Was she deaf and stupid? Cliff was a doctor! Of course Rudy was okay when he brought her home, meaning he was right and the ER trip was a waste of time. :rolleyes:

The last one I want to mention was when Cliff was teaching Rudy to ride her bike, Rudy kept whining and complaining that he was doing it wrong and that he would let her fall and get hurt. He kept telling her that he wouldn't allow it because she was his daughter and loved her. Rudy let him continue to help her until she came back after falling off her bike with a little scratch on her hand. She went straight to Clair complaining that "Daddy made her get hurt" or something to that effect.
Later, Clair took her riding instead and she learned right away how to ride. Cliff couldn't figure out how she could learn with Clair and not with him and Rudy said "Because mom is good". Geez. :rolleyes: Like Clair was the better parent because she taught Rudy how to ride a bike. Give me a break. :mad: Cliff tried and Rudy just didn't want to learn. Cliff was just as capable of teaching Rudy how to ride as Clair was, I mean he taught the other kids how to ride. It was just another way to make Cliff look like a bad parent and a dumbbell. It made me so mad. I mean I liked Rudy but she was so bratty in this episode! She took after Clair more than I realized. :rolleyes:

Oh yeah, Claire could be so full of herself. :p