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Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:20 PM Does anyone know how to solve absolute value equations? I know how to graph them. But I can't solve them. Problems like...
3y=|2x-9|
explain it to me please, my head hurts.
Hollow 09-25-2005, 07:32 PM what are you supposed to solve for? looks to me like it's already simplified.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:34 PM You have to make a t chart. Like a x|y chart thingy.
Like at this site: http://www.purplemath.com/modules/graphabs.htm
but from looking at that site I still don't get it. lol
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:35 PM Ok, it's probably easier to graph it and look at the graph...
Looking at the graph, it seems like X is All real numbers and y is all reals greater than or equal to 0 :D
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:37 PM How come 1/3 isn't inside the |'s?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:37 PM Oops, I graphed..
noooo keep it there. lol I hate math so much.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:40 PM I'm stll confused. I don't get how you got the points. Can you show me what the t chart would look like?
3y=|2x-9|
so you devide it all by 3...
y=|2/3x-3| is what I get lol
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:40 PM How come 1/3 isn't inside the |'s?
I just didn't distribute, that's all. It's also..
y = |(2/3)x-3|
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:41 PM I just didn't distribute, that's all. It's also..
y = |(2/3)x-3|
So how would you know the vertext? It's 0, right?
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:42 PM Just because it'll be easier for me to write it, I will....Give me a second.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:42 PM Just because it'll be easier for me to write it, I will....Give me a second.
Thank you so much. :D
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:45 PM So how would you know the vertext? It's 0, right?
It gives no number for the y part of the vertex, so it's assumed to be 0..
y = |2/3x - 3 | + 0
So your vertex is (3,0). Then just do rise over run w/ your slope and you get the graph. I've never done a T chart for this type of equation, I just look at the graph and can tell where the points are and arent
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:47 PM It gives no number for the y part of the vertex, so it's assumed to be 0..
y = |2/3x - 3 | + 0
So your vertex is (3,0). Then just do rise over run w/ your slope and you get the graph. I've never done a T chart for this type of equation, I just look at the graph and can tell where the points are and arent
Ohh my teacher showed it to us with tcharts. She put that...
y=|2x-5| as a t chart is
X|Y
0 5
2.5 0
4 3
she said from your vertex you choose a number higher and one lower or something that I didn't understand. lol
PZelda 09-25-2005, 07:48 PM BAHHHHH. This kind of formula was easy for me to solve in Algebra 2, but alas that was 3 years ago. I still have my notes though...So it wouldn't take long for me to remember. [/dork]
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:49 PM For 2/3 rise over run is go up 2 right 3, right? And that's it?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:49 PM BAHHHHH. This kind of formula was easy for me to solve in Algebra 2, but alas that was 3 years ago. I still have my notes though...So it wouldn't take long for me to remember. [/dork]
yeah, Im in algebra 2 now. lol
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:50 PM if a negative is outside the problem like..
y= - |-x-2|
that makes all the x's and y's negative right? Except for the vertex, which would be 0?
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:54 PM For 2/3 rise over run is go up 2 right 3, right? And that's it?
Technically yes, but since it's an absolute value equation, you have to go both ways..
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:55 PM if a negative is outside the problem like..
y= - |-x-2|
that makes all the x's and y's negative right? Except for the vertex, which would be 0?
I would distribute my - here, to make it easier..It would then be
y=|x+2|+0. Your vertex is the opposite of 2 and 0 (-2,0)
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:56 PM so up 2 right 3 then down 2 left 3? or what? Ugh I'm sorry to be annoying..
Also in y=|3-x|
the vertex is (1,0) and the rise over run is 3/1?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:57 PM I would distribute my - here, to make it easier..It would then be
y=|x+2|+0. Your vertex is the opposite of 2 and 0 (-2,0)
So in absolute value it's always the opposite of what's in the |'s? I always thought that whatever was in the |'s was always positive? lol
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 07:59 PM yeah, Im in algebra 2 now. lol
I'm in precal this year
Ravey 09-25-2005, 07:59 PM I'm in precal this year
lol I'll never make it there. I'm a senior right now.
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:01 PM so up 2 right 3 then down 2 left 3? or what? Ugh I'm sorry to be annoying..
Also in y=|3-x|
the vertex is (1,0) and the rise over run is 3/1?
No, this is y = |-x+3|. Your vertex is (-3,0) and your slope is -1
So in absolute value it's always the opposite of what's in the |'s? I always thought that whatever was in the |'s was always positive? lol
Not when you have X's. Unless you know what X is, you can't change any signs.
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:01 PM lol I'll never make it there. I'm a senior right now.
Oh, I'm a junior.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:03 PM No, this is y = |-x+3|
Not when you have X's. Unless you know what X is, you can't change any signs.
Ok so then it's (-3,0) and 1/1 for slope? so I go up 1 right 1... and then down 1 left 1 and then it'll make a V?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:03 PM Oh, I'm a junior.
I feel stupid. :drool: :lol:
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:03 PM Instead of using up board space, IM me at AllintheDice07 on AOL or AIM(same difference)
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:04 PM Ok so then it's (-3,0) and 1/1 for slope? so I go up 1 right 1... and then down 1 left 1 and then it'll make a V?
And.. I do this from the vertex, not from (0,0)?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:04 PM Instead of using up board space, IM me at AllintheDice07 on AOL or AIM(same difference)
I don't have AIM. :\
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:05 PM Ok so then it's (-3,0) and 1/1 for slope? so I go up 1 right 1... and then down 1 left 1 and then it'll make a V?
No, the slope is -1. So you go down one right one. And then from your vertex, down one left one, so it's ^.
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:06 PM And.. I do this from the vertex, not from (0,0)?
Yes, do it from the vertex.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:07 PM No, the slope is -1. So you go down one right one. And then from your vertex, down one left one, so it's ^.
Oh so you just change the left and the rights? And the first time you graph the slop you don't do it from the vertex, but from (0,0)?
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:08 PM Yes, do it from the vertex.
Both times? lol
I think I get what you're saying about not being able to change the x because you don't know it, finally. lol
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:14 PM y = |-x+3|
No, you use the vertex and only the vertex when graphing an equation like this. The only time you use (0,0) is when (0,0) is your vertex.(example: y=|x|)
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:22 PM y = |-x+3|
No, you use the vertex and only the vertex when graphing an equation like this. The only time you use (0,0) is when (0,0) is your vertex.(example: y=|x|)
oh I always thought x was supposed to be 1x.
So... y =3-1|x+1| is y=2|x+1| which is y=|2x+2| with a vertex of (-2,0| and a slope of 2/1?
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:28 PM oh I always thought x was supposed to be 1x.
Yes, it is..
So... y =3-1|x+1| is y=2|x+1| which is y=|2x+2| with a vertex of (-2,0| and a slope of 2/1?
No. You have to look at the equation closely. There's not a sign between -1 and the absolute value bar. This is understood to be:
y = +3 + (-1|x+1|)
y = -1|x+1|+3
y = |-1x-1|+3
Your vertex is (1,3) and your slope is -1.
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:32 PM Yes, it is..
No. You have to look at the equation closely. There's not a sign between -1 and the absolute value bar. This is understood to be:
y = +3 + (-1|x+1|)
y = -1|x+1|+3
y = |-1x-1|+3
Your vertex is (1,3) and your slope is -1.
ohh so the first number always gets moved to the back of the problem. ^_^
Ravey 09-25-2005, 08:37 PM ok this is my last question, in a problem like... 1/2y=|3x-1|-2.. I know you divide the whole problem by 1/2 but do you divide the -2 by 1/2 also?
IMakeBurgers 09-25-2005, 08:47 PM ok this is my last question, in a problem like... 1/2y=|3x-1|-2.. I know you divide the whole problem by 1/2 but do you divide the -2 by 1/2 also?
You just said that you divide the whole problem by 1/2. So what do you think?
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