The Grand Canyon episodes on the Season Three set are missing the final moments of each episode, including the music and the boxes. We need to contact Paramount. :confused: :confused:

The Grand Canyon episodes on the Season Three set are missing the final moments of each episode, including the music and the boxes. We need to contact Paramount. :confused: :confused:

Do you mean that the end credits are missing until you get to Part 3 of the episode?

Jack

No, I'm saying that before the show goes to commercial for the last time, there are no ending boxes....it fades to black and cuts the music off on all three episodes. The end credits are intact.

No, I'm saying that before the show goes to commercial for the last time, there are no ending boxes....it fades to black and cuts the music off on all three episodes. The end credits are intact.

That is interesting!!! Since the DVD's are taking from the original masters do you think that the squares going in/music was done for the syndicated prints? According to Sitcomes Online's review of Season 3, the episodes are uncut running between 25-26 minutes in legnth. That does seem odd, because the squares fill up on all the other episodes that I have seen for the DVD's. (I don't have Season 3 yet.)

I have to know this: On the end credits, does it have that voice-over that says, "Don't miss part____________of the Brady Bunch Grand Canyon adventure, seen next week at this time." That was left in for the first syndication cycle when the show was on every day. They removed it in the 80's.

Jack

Yes, the voice-over is heard at the end credits for parts 1 and 2 :)

Can someone check their vhs copies that they have (from any source) and tell me if these scenes were on there?

I noticed that too. Especially right before the tag of the 2nd part episode. They have a quick fade out instead of the individual squares popping up one by one.

Big OOPS on Paramont's part.

Paramount Contact: 323.956.5000

I have checked my vhs copy I taped from Sky One here in the UK. At the end of the first one we have the brady grid appear followed by a fade to black. We then get one small tag with Alice and Carol followed by another fade to black. The end credits do not feature any voice over.

At the end of the second one the grid has been cut but the last tag with Bradys looking for Bobby and Cindy is still intact. This fades to black. The end credits do not feature any voice over on this episode either.

I hope they don't mess up the season four three part opener. Gregs 'wipe out' and the grid appearing over his empty surf board with some 'dramatic' music is great!

Guys,

I should have Season 3 in a couple of weeks. Based on Bachu's post we appear to have a "mix" of what is included and is not included. I don't think we are missing any dialogue however. What we have is a fade to black instead of the approximately 7 second music interledue when the squares fill in, followed by the tag, than the end credits.

The question is, did Paramount do the DVD's from the original master tapes? I don't see why they wouldn't. Sitcomes Online's review of the DVD's says that the episodes appear to be uncut running at least 25 minutes. We can also assume that Paramount also did some syndicate cuts from the original masters (or couldn't find the original negatives) and had to go back into the vaults to use the back up 16mm prints to get the uncut episodes. Is it possible that this fade-to-black without the squares filling in was how the episode originally aired, and they added the squares fill-in for syndication showings?

A question for Bachu:

Is The Brady Bunch shown uncut in the UK? I know that in Australia according to info from Brady World it appears to be, because they show the long ago deleted skinny-dipping scene from "Goodbye Alice Hello."

Jack

Paramount Contact: 323.956.5000

Hey Eric, (or anybody.)

If you contact Paramount, find out if they actually did the DVD's of The Brady Bunch from the original master tapes.

Jack

What is wrong with Paramount (and some of these other studios) that they can't get their act together to make sure the stuff they release on DVD is UNCUT? If I wanted the squares edited out on the Grand Canyon episodes, I'd watch TV Land.

What is wrong with Paramount (and some of these other studios) that they can't get their act together to make sure the stuff they release on DVD is UNCUT? If I wanted the squares edited out on the Grand Canyon episodes, I'd watch TV Land.

Yea,

On a somewhat related topic for "Greg Get's Grounded" on TV Land, the squares fill in BEFORE Greg says his last lines about the frogs jumping on the pizza:

"I don't think we'll be eating this tonight. And he was in 34th place too!"

(This is cut.)

Jack

I also read where "The Brady Bunch in Color" slide isn't included in this season.....Slow down the releases a little, Paramount, and get them right! Please contact them, everyone, so we can at least get an answer.....it does help....I wrote months beofre the dvds came out about including the original Paramount logo.

I also read where "The Brady Bunch in Color" slide isn't included in this season.....Slow down the releases a little, Paramount, and get them right! Please contact them, everyone, so we can at least get an answer.....it does help....I wrote months beofre the dvds came out about including the original Paramount logo.

Hey Eric,

I found out that the "In Color" 7-second preview before the theme song WAS dropped after the first two seasons when the show originaly aired.

The only thing that was not restored for the DVD's was that little snibbit between the final commercial and the tag, where the kid who's weekly storyline the episode centered on would say, "The Brady Bunch will return in a moment." That square business won't prevent me from buying the Season 3 set, but at the very least we need an explanation. If that is the way it was originally filmed (which, I think is unlikely) and they added the squares when it went into syndication than it's understandable. But if they cut 7 seconds for no reason that's just...stupid!

I could see Paramount being real evasive about this. It would be impossible to know what the real story is unless you could go back in a time machine to September 1971 and somehow see the show when it first aired. What is even more bizzare is if they did cut that out, they leave in the "don't miss next week's episode" voice-over. I mean if you have to cut, cut that but leave our Brady Squares alone!!!

Jack

There's a rather large discussion of this topic over at the Home Theater Forum. Here's what one poster had to say:

"I had both Brady Bunch & Bewitched episodes on audio tape since the early-70s and video since 1981, and the footage was there. In fact, silly as it sounds, the fade-out of "Ghost Town, U.S.A." after Carol tells Peter to be careful was my favorite of the entire series. Great long dramatic music cue. I loved it when I was a kid, specifically because it was so different and serious for that series."

So it seems that Paramount may have missed something here...

There's a rather large discussion of this topic over at the Home Theater Forum.

Can you provide the link to the thread please? Thanks!

Jack

Here is the link about the edits:

http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htforum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=242216

There's a rather large discussion of this topic over at the Home Theater Forum. Here's what one poster had to say:

"I had both Brady Bunch & Bewitched episodes on audio tape since the early-70s and video since 1981, and the footage was there. In fact, silly as it sounds, the fade-out of "Ghost Town, U.S.A." after Carol tells Peter to be careful was my favorite of the entire series. Great long dramatic music cue. I loved it when I was a kid, specifically because it was so different and serious for that series."


I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt that way -- it was just a very dramatic moment and then they cut to the squares. It was unusual for the series, and very effective. I've always hated the TV Land edit of that episode because they cut the big music cue, and I'm disappointed to hear that the DVDs have a similar cut.

That cue was even left for the second cycle of syndication in the 80s.

are you sure you guys aren't thinking of the dramatic buildup on the Hawaii episodes?

I wrote to ask them to leave the original Paramount logo in Season 1 along with a another show. I noticed that Paramount logo in Vote for Brady looked the same, but did not sound the same as in syndication. A friend of mine wrote a time line and said in it the Paramount song of jingle was longer on an episode too. I belong to a Group called the Closing logo Group. Maybe you are part of it already though. I was there when that episode first aired. I remember most of the epsodes from their first airing since its 3rd season. I taped the closing credits for The Brady Bunch in the 90's.

That is ineresting that you have those. I am curious if you even have the closing logos too like Screen Gems and Paramount. I belong to a group who is interested in closing credits and logos. There is a varation of Screen Gems from the 1969-1970 season that has a theme from the previous season, but sounds different.

What is wrong with Paramount (and some of these other studios) that they can't get their act together to make sure the stuff they release on DVD is UNCUT? If I wanted the squares edited out on the Grand Canyon episodes, I'd watch TV Land.in some cases, the original master copies of a show are in such bad shape that a DVD transfer isn't possible, or would be too expensive. So, unfortunately, they're forced to use the sydnicated copies.

Guys,

Is The Brady Bunch shown uncut in the UK? I know that in Australia according to info from Brady World it appears to be, because they show the long ago deleted skinny-dipping scene from "Goodbye Alice Hello."

Jack

I did not see the Bunch here in the Uk the first time around (I believe that it was screened in the 70s) but on a satellite channel called Sky One in 1990 (give or take a year or two). All episodes were screened weekdays at 3.15PM. Most of the stuff that seems to have been put back into these dvds was present in the Sky One episodes. Only a handfull of 'syndicated' episodes seem to have been mixed into a run of uncut episodes. The grid with the Bradys that appeared before the tag at the end was cut from about half of the episodes that were shown. The quality of the episodes was quite poor when compared to the dvd prints. Sky One also screened all 10 episodes of The Brady Brides. Hope that gets a release as well. They did release 'Tabitha' at the same time that they released the first season of 'Bewitched.'

Cuts that stand out are the girls getting the sleeping bags ready in 'Our Son The Man' and Jan and Cindy looking for Marcia in 'Father of the Year.' The scene with Cindy and Bobby in bathrobes being sent back to put bathing suits on was present in the Sky One screening.

A couple of years ago a satellite channel called Granada + (RIP) had a 70s month and screened 12 episodes from the first season back to back one Saturday afternoon. Can't remember what the quality was like but the episodes were all cut (quite poorly). I think the channel itself made the cuts. I emailed them and they said programmes are often cut for reasons of time.

Have just watched the last part of the three part Grand Canyon story and noticed that the grid was cut from that as well. It was present in the Sky One screening.

Hey Eric,

I found out that the "In Color" 7-second preview before the theme song WAS dropped after the first two seasons when the show originaly aired.

The only thing that was not restored for the DVD's was that little snibbit between the final commercial and the tag, where the kid who's weekly storyline the episode centered on would say, "The Brady Bunch will return in a moment." That square business won't prevent me from buying the Season 3 set, but at the very least we need an explanation. If that is the way it was originally filmed (which, I think is unlikely) and they added the squares when it went into syndication than it's understandable. But if they cut 7 seconds for no reason that's just...stupid!

I could see Paramount being real evasive about this. It would be impossible to know what the real story is unless you could go back in a time machine to September 1971 and somehow see the show when it first aired. What is even more bizzare is if they did cut that out, they leave in the "don't miss next week's episode" voice-over. I mean if you have to cut, cut that but leave our Brady Squares alone!!!

Jack





I never knew that voiceovers saying-"don;t mis next week's episode" were included on DVD's. That's the one thing I always said you would never hear on a DVD. That's defintely a shock to me

Guys,

As previously posted, it is possible that this WAS the way that those three Seasons had originally aired back in September 1971. But than why would syndicated prints bother with the square fill ins? We are dealing with an approximately 7-second interlude with the squares. I believe as previously posted if Paramount were going to cut anything, they could have cut the announcment about the "tune in next week for the next episode."

I have heard that Paramount produced the DVD's from the original masters. However, you will notice that some scenes are grainier than others. In Season 1, the "Father of the Year" used a 16mm back up print when Jan and Cindy are downstairs for a drink of water, Mike and Carol checking on the kids and finding them asleep, and an extended version of the kids preparing Alice for her "skiing lesson" in the backyard. (Even TBS/Syndicate showed her at the top of the hayloft, but never showed all the prep-work of the kids getting her up on the hayloft.)

I think that Paramount took cuts from the original master tapes when the show went into syndication around summer of 1974. It is common for stations to chop out a minute of footage when a show goes into syndicate. (and continue from that point.) So IF the squares on the Grand Canyon episode were taken out from the original master tapes because the prints were in poor condition, or Paramount found the squares inappropriate for those sequences, they COULD have gone to the back up 16mm prints to restore the "Grand Canyon" episode squares. What do you think?

Jack

PS. Some posters have also suggested contact Paramount to see what the offical answer is. I will still buy Season 3, because it is to me a very minor issue.

I still don't think they were on there originally....they weren't cut from other episodes.

I still don't think they were on there originally....they weren't cut from other episodes.

They absolutely were on there originally, and this is coming from someone who watched the show on ABC in primetime.

If they were cut from the masters (which is possible), then why did they show up on syndication prints....and, if they were on those syndication prints, then why weren't they restored for the dvds?

If they were cut from the masters (which is possible), then why did they show up on syndication prints....and, if they were on those syndication prints, then why weren't they restored for the dvds?

That's exactly what I am thinking Eric. Paramount could have had the squares in there on the first run, prime time and thought, "Wait, we have an episode, in a fact a three-parter that ends on a cliff-hanger." Should that "happy musical interlude be included in the end on a cliff-hanger episode where more is to come? Perhaps they went to Sherwood or Lloyd and said, "Let's cut the squares out of the three-part Grand Canyon because they break up the continunity of the story too much. The Schwartz's and Paramount could have come to an agreement and done exactly that. This still doesn't explain why not put the squares back in for part 3? But this could have been an oversight and once the master tapes are changed, the ONLY way you can restore cut footage is to use the 16mm back up prints, which every show has in case the original gets damaged.

It could also be that the decision to cut the squares out of the Grand Canyon epiusodes was made sometime between Auguest of 1974 and the first syndication cycle. The show ended in March of 1974, with lets say at least one run through in the summer of that same year for the episodes to be repeated. During this time, the show was run on ABC completely uncut. Let's say that syndication deals were completed by October of 1974 (Hypothetical) But Paramount didn't make the decision to cut the squares from the episodes until January of 1975. This could explain why TV Guy remembers seeing the squares in the original run and why SOME syndication prints still include them.

What this means is that the only way that they can remaster the DVD to get the squares back is to use the back up 16mm grainy prints. The back up prints may look too crummy to be reinserted and would look so different quality wise from the rest of the fill in squares on the other episodes that Paramount said, we should leave them off.

That's my theory. I can't see any other reason why the squares would be cut.

Jack

Were the Grand Canyon episodes released on the Columbia House VHS sets and were the squares on those? Also, is the reason none of the commercial bumpers have been seen on the dvds because they were taken out of the masters or is that simply not something that gets put on a dvd set?

Bumpers typically aren't put on dvd sets....you can see the original Twilight Zone bumpers on the Definitive Editions of those sets. I always thought they would make great Bonus Features, as those are hard to come by with tvondvd.

Were the Grand Canyon episodes released on the Columbia House VHS sets and were the squares on those? Also, is the reason none of the commercial bumpers have been seen on the dvds because they were taken out of the masters or is that simply not something that gets put on a dvd set?

Neither Columbia House nor Paramount released the Grand Canyon episodes on commercially produced VHS tapes. To my knowledge the DVD versions are the ONLY commercially produced product of these Brady Bunch episodes that exist.

Jack

It does seem odd that the music fades out without a big finish.....if enough people call Paramount, they will fix it. They are fixing problems with I Love Lucy Season 4.

It does seem odd that the music fades out without a big finish.....if enough people call Paramount, they will fix it. They are fixing problems with I Love Lucy Season 4.

Hey Eric,

Did you call Paramount? If so, what did they say.

Jack

It does seem odd that the music fades out without a big finish.....if enough people call Paramount, they will fix it. They are fixing problems with I Love Lucy Season 4.
and IMAGE ENTERTAINMENT sends a new DVD of "The Dick Van Dyke show" to you, if you're having problems with one of the discs and you send it back to them. I was having problems with one of my season 1 discs, I contacted them; they said to send it back and they'll send me a new one. I did, and they did.
I heard they also did that for some people who were having problems with one of the season 5 discs.

I got a voice mail box....I'm calling again this week. Hopefully, we can at least get an official answer about it. Sorry to carp on it, but if we dont' say anything, the episodes will never be redone (if the footage still exists.) I'm just going to let them know, in case it was an oversight.

I think I saw the show in syndication when the last season was still being aired.

Speaking of I Love Lucy, since viacom and Paraount are one now they should have the syndication logo on their DVDs as a special feature or have a way to have the synciacted credits where one can choose between them with network credits to see the various syndicated credits with what people call the pinball or V of Doom or even the later logos.

I saw the episode Marsha is dates Greg's enemy Warren Malany they cut out where Marsha says that the girl who beat her out of the cheer leading suad is on the top of her list and every one inbetween. They just had the part where she said to Jan that she told Greg not to date her. Also, it did not show how Greg found about her being her enemy.

I think I saw the show in syndication when the last season was still being aired.

No, it did not go into syndication until after the ABC primetime run ended, although there were weekday reruns on ABC daytime while the show was still in primetime. Here in Boston, the local ABC affiliate didn't play the ABC daytime reruns, so an independent picked them up (the same independent, coincidentally, that picked up the syndicated reruns a year or two later). So in that case, it might have seemed like the show was in syndication during the primetime run, but it was really just the ABC daytime run.

No, it did not go into syndication until after the ABC primetime run ended, although there were weekday reruns on ABC daytime while the show was still in primetime. Here in Boston, the local ABC affiliate didn't play the ABC daytime reruns, so an independent picked them up (the same independent, coincidentally, that picked up the syndicated reruns a year or two later). So in that case, it might have seemed like the show was in syndication during the primetime run, but it was really just the ABC daytime run.