Did you hear the woman in the audience say: "RIGHT!" After Michael said "Mama, if there is a God, why are we still in the ghetto?"

I hate that audience member's reaction. 'Right' ????? God doesn't dictate where you live. The choices you make in life decide where you go. That really irritates me that the writers put that line in there. And it was made worse by that female audience member's shout.

I think that a lot of the time it's canned laughter and audience interaction. Just because it's taped in front of a live audience doesn't mean that they can't go back and add laughter and Right on's where they want them.

For instance I watch reruns of Martin and Living Single and you always hear this one lady in the "audience" shouting "You go girl." So I have a feeling that they add a lot of audience noise, especially if the joke isn't funny and they want it to sound funny.

I hope that makes sense.

I think that a lot of the time it's canned laughter and audience interaction. Just because it's taped in front of a live audience doesn't mean that they can't go back and add laughter and Right on's where they want them.

For instance I watch reruns of Martin and Living Single and you always hear this one lady in the "audience" shouting "You go girl." So I have a feeling that they add a lot of audience noise, especially if the joke isn't funny and they want it to sound funny.

I hope that makes sense.
It does. Still, I'd hate to think that whoever was responsible for interjecting those "laugh tracks" and other exclamations, was smart enough to not put that shout, at that moment. Totally out of place. I didn't like it.

On I love lucy, I hear the same lady laughing in the audience. It's a particular laugh so it's pretty distinguishable. Also, there is this constant "oh oh" that can be heard on many episodes.

Very annoying. :crazy:

I agree 100% with you Irene. That stuff really irks me. God doesn't punish people by sending them to the ghetto.

I agree 100% with you Irene. That stuff really irks me. God doesn't punish people by sending them to the ghetto.
Yep, true. He is a loving God and wouldn't punish people. Michael should have been happy he had a good home;considering they lost their father, life could have become a lot worse. With all the bad things they have had happen in their lives, they need to acknowledge the good.

It does. Still, I'd hate to think that whoever was responsible for interjecting those "laugh tracks" and other exclamations, was smart enough to not put that shout, at that moment. Totally out of place. I didn't like it.

On I love lucy, I hear the same lady laughing in the audience. It's a particular laugh so it's pretty distinguishable. Also, there is this constant "oh oh" that can be heard on many episodes.

Very annoying. :crazy:

Yeah I know what lady your talking about, Lucy is one of my favorite shows, I can say the lines along with the actors LOL. Also sometimes it sounds like Desi is laughing also.

Did you hear the woman in the audience say: "RIGHT!" After Michael said "Mama, if there is a God, why are we still in the ghetto?"

I hate that audience member's reaction. 'Right' ????? God doesn't dictate where you live. The choices you make in life decide where you go. That really irritates me that the writers put that line in there. And it was made worse by that female audience member's shout.



Uh Oh Irene, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I was with Michael and the lady that said "Right". The Evans didn't do nothing but what was right, treated people fair and had respect for everybody that they interacted with, and they were still living in the ghetto. Like Cleatus said, "What you gotta do to make it if your poor these days." So it wasn't their choices that was keeping them in the ghetto, it was a higher power. Like Flo said, "There are two roads out of the ghetto, a right road and a wrong road, and so far we've manage to stay on the right road."

JJ- "And that's what's taking us so long to get out of here."

Oh yeah, another quote from Flo, "Jesus was sent to us to teach us humilty when things are going good, and faith to carry on when things are bad. Get this strait Jesus has nothing to do with luck."

My point is you can make all the choices you want, but if GOD don't want that for you, it ain't gonna happen. :)

I am sincerely not wanting to get political or anything but that line by Michael makes my skin crawl and it is a bad social message at the time. Or even today.

It almost teaches people there is no way to be successful unless you wish for it. Like God should keep us out of the ghetto. Yet let his son who the family worshipped stay nailed to a cross. Yeah. Jesus got the red carpet treatment from god.

I am no huge christian but from what I understand the concept of God is not to keep people lavishly living in a midtown apartment with round the clock hookers at your disposal.

Maybe I am wrong but I think the message was terrible.

I liked the statement in the episode by the Old Man, -"Hey lady i maybe old but I ain;t God"-LOL

Uh Oh Irene, I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this one. I was with Michael and the lady that said "Right". The Evans didn't do nothing but what was right, treated people fair and had respect for everybody that they interacted with, and they were still living in the ghetto. Like Cleatus said, "What you gotta do to make it if your poor these days." So it wasn't their choices that was keeping them in the ghetto, it was a higher power. Like Flo said, "There are two roads out of the ghetto, a right road and a wrong road, and so far we've manage to stay on the right road."

JJ- "And that's what's taking us so long to get out of here."

Oh yeah, another quote from Flo, "Jesus was sent to us to teach us humilty when things are going good, and faith to carry on when things are bad. Get this strait Jesus has nothing to do with luck."

My point is you can make all the choices you want, but if GOD don't want that for you, it ain't gonna happen. :)

It was a wrong message to send on a sitcom. God doesn't have anything to do with people living in the ghetto. It isn't punishment. Florida stayed the right course and in the very end was rewarded. Even if she didn't get out of the ghetto, she still lived a good christian life and will be rewarded in heaven.

I know Florida felt like dying after hearing Michael use those words concerning God.

Much like Fred said about Esther. "Telling Esther there's no God is like telling Jimmy Carter there's no more toothpaste".

Yeah I know what lady your talking about, Lucy is one of my favorite shows, I can say the lines along with the actors LOL. Also sometimes it sounds like Desi is laughing also.
Yeah, that too. I can hear him alot. He has a very distinctive laugh.

I am sincerely not wanting to get political or anything but that line by Michael makes my skin crawl and it is a bad social message at the time. Or even today.

It almost teaches people there is no way to be successful unless you wish for it. Like God should keep us out of the ghetto. Yet let his son who the family worshipped stay nailed to a cross. Yeah. Jesus got the red carpet treatment from god.

I am no huge christian but from what I understand the concept of God is not to keep people lavishly living in a midtown apartment with round the clock hookers at your disposal.

Maybe I am wrong but I think the message was terrible.
Ah George, Bravo, Bravo...you said that well. Jesus was crucified, THE SON OF GOD. So, who is Michael or anyone real for that matter deserving of living the high life???? Jesus lived a very very very simple life. He didn't live in a castle, he didn't have the finest of clothes, he didn't have BLING hanging all over him. Just because you may not get what you think you deserve in life, here on earth, if you live the life that God has asked for (if this is your belief; it certainly is mine) then your rewards will be in Heaven. Paradise. Let's not get preachy here, but I agree with you and Brian that line didn't belong in that show, that episode, or anywhere else since it was being seen by a large audience. Yes, Michael in the end learned the lesson his mother was trying to convey, but for someone to have believed before, sure didn't take much to make him a NON believer and that is a DEFINITE WRONG MESSAGE. Michael didn't think bad when their dad died, he didn't think God didn't exist when JJ was shot, etc. So a little conversation from a lonely, cranky old man was enough to make him change his mind? WRONG!!!!

I like it when you suggest Jesus didn't run around with "bling bling" all over him.

I like it when you suggest Jesus didn't run around with "bling bling" all over him.
You know, I am gonna go off topic a bit. The reason I put that there is because it irritates the hell outta me when I see alot of "famous" people walking around with all this damn gold jewelry and they "thank God" for the lifestyle they live, they thank God for their awards, etc. HOW STUPID IS THAT??? Jesus nor God is blessing you with that jewelry. Jesus didn't wear it.

Yep I always thought that god's basic principle is he helps those who help themselves.

You are not going to get anywhere in life wishing for it.

That is why the comment is so offensive.

As you pointed out. Jesus had a humble life when young. All these people bitching that god should take care of them should help themselves and see the results.
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God isn't gonna get you a job.

God isn't gonna plow the field for you.

God isn't gonna get you a new catcher's mitt.

God is not santa claus.

God is only the inspiration of your reward when you walk down that milky white way.

Yep I always thought that god's basic principle is he helps those who help themselves.

You are not going to get anywhere in life wishing for it.

That is why the comment is so offensive.

As you pointed out. Jesus had a humble life when young. All these people bitching that god should take care of them should help themselves and see the results.
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God isn't gonna get you a job.

God isn't gonna plow the field for you.

God isn't gonna get you a new catcher's mitt.

God is not santa claus.

God is only the inspiration of your reward when you walk down that milky white way.

:wave: ;) :D

and here I am being told all my posts are stupid.

I wish I was bred in the literature masterpieces known as "Jet" magazine.

It was a wrong message to send on a sitcom. God doesn't have anything to do with people living in the ghetto. It isn't punishment. Florida stayed the right course and in the very end was rewarded. Even if she didn't get out of the ghetto, she still lived a good christian life and will be rewarded in heaven.



So if you had a choice, you would live in the ghetto?

I don't think too many people would choose to live in poverty.

God chooses who lives in poverty.(IMO)

So the choice ain't yours, it's His, and you don't have no control over that.
What you need to do is live your life, try to do what's right, and wait for God to decide when it's time for your life to change.
Look at James, that's all he tried to do was try to get his family out of the ghetto, but couldn't cause God said, "Not yet", so James had to wait, and wait, and wait. And when he did get out the ghetto he died. That I can't explain. :)

I think Michael just didn't understand that you have to keep the faith instead of blaming God for your situation. And that's what Flo was there for, to keep Michael believing.

Yep, true. He is a loving God and wouldn't punish people. Michael should have been happy he had a good home;considering they lost their father, life could have become a lot worse. With all the bad things they have had happen in their lives, they need to acknowledge the good.


Ain't that what Flo was all about. Trying to keep the family keeping on in times of dispair.

Told you, you reming me of Flo. :)

Ain't that what Flo was all about. Trying to keep the family keeping on in times of dispair.

Told you, you reming me of Flo. :)
I guess because of how my family was and still is. We never ask "Why" when bad things happen. We have learned to accept was it dealt to us and to learn the right way of doing things in life. My family and I are far from perfect. No one is perfect. (Well, maybe John Travolta... :D ) but seriously, if things are done the right way, you feel better abt yourself.
Keeping a perspective on things is what will get you thru the bad times. I love God with all my heart. I am not preaching. Sorry if I am. I know that God has nothing but love for all of us.
Florida wanted to teach her kids that no matter what cards are dealt, things could be worse. You live in the ghetto, so what??? better than being homeless. You eat oatmeal everyday. Big deal. I am sure the homeless would love a bowl of oatmeal in their stomachs. That's how I tell my kids at times when they get a little whiny abt something. I remind them how Blessed they are.
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"Now Craftman, if you don't appreciate the way things are around here, I am just gonna have to tell your father when he gets home. And you know how gets when he comes home after working all day to put oatmeal on the table. Go to your room and do some homework, NOW!!!!!" LOL

I am sincerely not wanting to get political or anything but that line by Michael makes my skin crawl and it is a bad social message at the time. Or even today.

It almost teaches people there is no way to be successful unless you wish for it. Like God should keep us out of the ghetto. Yet let his son who the family worshipped stay nailed to a cross. Yeah. Jesus got the red carpet treatment from god.

I am no huge christian but from what I understand the concept of God is not to keep people lavishly living in a midtown apartment with round the clock hookers at your disposal.

Maybe I am wrong but I think the message was terrible.


Yeah, your wrong, cause the message was another good Good Times topic that gets people talking, and considering what's really right or wrong. They wanted to show, again, the frustration of never getting ahead as much as you try to, and peoples faith starts diminishing. It's the faith that will finally get you ahead. So I think it was a good message to put in the show.

Ah George, Bravo, Bravo...you said that well. Jesus was crucified, THE SON OF GOD. So, who is Michael or anyone real for that matter deserving of living the high life???? Jesus lived a very very very simple life. He didn't live in a castle, he didn't have the finest of clothes, he didn't have BLING hanging all over him. Just because you may not get what you think you deserve in life, here on earth, if you live the life that God has asked for (if this is your belief; it certainly is mine) then your rewards will be in Heaven. Paradise. Let's not get preachy here, but I agree with you and Brian that line didn't belong in that show, that episode, or anywhere else since it was being seen by a large audience. Yes, Michael in the end learned the lesson his mother was trying to convey, but for someone to have believed before, sure didn't take much to make him a NON believer and that is a DEFINITE WRONG MESSAGE. Michael didn't think bad when their dad died, he didn't think God didn't exist when JJ was shot, etc. So a little conversation from a lonely, cranky old man was enough to make him change his mind? WRONG!!!!


That's another point, how much can someone take. Bad thing after bad thing, is almost enough to make you lose faith, as it did Michael.

You know, I am gonna go off topic a bit. The reason I put that there is because it irritates the hell outta me when I see alot of "famous" people walking around with all this damn gold jewelry and they "thank God" for the lifestyle they live, they thank God for their awards, etc. HOW STUPID IS THAT??? Jesus nor God is blessing you with that jewelry. Jesus didn't wear it.



Well, I'm sure most people would love to be living large, having hit records and winning awards. So how come everybody don't. HMMMMM

Well, I'm sure most people would love to be living large, having hit records and winning awards. So how come everybody don't. HMMMMM

Cuz God doesn't want them to have those things...He knows they deserve better!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :happyface

I guess because of how my family was and still is. We never ask "Why" when bad things happen. We have learned to accept was it dealt to us and to learn the right way of doing things in life. My family and I are far from perfect. No one is perfect. (Well, maybe John Travolta... :D ) but seriously, if things are done the right way, you feel better abt yourself.
Keeping a perspective on things is what will get you thru the bad times. I love God with all my heart. I am not preaching. Sorry if I am. I know that God has nothing but love for all of us.
Florida wanted to teach her kids that no matter what cards are dealt, things could be worse. You live in the ghetto, so what??? better than being homeless. You eat oatmeal everyday. Big deal. I am sure the homeless would love a bowl of oatmeal in their stomachs. That's how I tell my kids at times when they get a little whiny abt something. I remind them how Blessed they are.
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You kinda just mentioned one of my points, about your kids whinning about what they ain't got, then you give them some insight about how it could be worst, other people are a lot worst off than you. Michael was just whinning, and that happens in life, I did it myself. Glad to say I got over it, and take it like it comes without whinning now. :)

"Now Craftman, if you don't appreciate the way things are around here, I am just gonna have to tell your father when he gets home. And you know how gets when he comes home after working all day to put oatmeal on the table. Go to your room and do some homework, NOW!!!!!" LOL



You so silly. :crazy:

That's another point, how much can someone take. Bad thing after bad thing, is almost enough to make you lose faith, as it did Michael.
Oh poor Michael. How much can he take having oatmeal everyday. Poor Michael, he has clean clothes. Poor Michael has a roof over his head. Poor Michael can go to school. Poor Michael has his health. OMG!!!!! Craftman, are u trying to irritate the hell outta me???? :mad:

What has happened that is SOOOOOOO BAD?
I know there are people who have it so much worse and they don't lose their faith. And I mean real bad. Real real bad.
That could be what the show was trying to show. It was showing: HEY, wake up, things could be worse, now stop your damn whining!!!!!!

He says cuz he doesn't see it or smell it, it doesn't exist.
Carbon monoxide can't be seen or smelled...does it not exist!!??

Come on craftman, I expect better from you. Don't get me mad now. Don't make me GO FLO ON YOU!!!!! :lol: :wave:

Cuz God doesn't want them to have those things...He knows they deserve better!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :happyface



Yeah, just like He don't want some people to get out of the ghetto. :lol:

See, we're on the same page. :)

Yeah, your wrong, cause the message was another good Good Times topic that gets people talking, and considering what's really right or wrong. They wanted to show, again, the frustration of never getting ahead as much as you try to, and peoples faith starts diminishing. It's the faith that will finally get you ahead. So I think it was a good message to put in the show.


Well I am no true christian but was certainly raised as one. And in Sunday school it was all about stories about people struggling through disease, strife, worry ect. But staying loyal to god.

The comment basically says that if there is a god. Nobody should suffer on earth which to me sends of 'ideology" that god is some sort of "santa claus" character. And that they are the only family suffering. I mean michael was what 15? 16? He had his whole life ahead of him. and appeared to be blessed at 17 as the whole family got out.

Well I am no true christian but was certainly raised as one. And in Sunday school it was all about stories about people struggling through disease, strife, worry ect. But staying loyal to god.

The comment basically says that if there is a god. Nobody should suffer on earth which to me sends of 'ideology" that god is some sort of "santa claus" character. And that they are the only family suffering. I mean michael was what 15? 16? He had his whole life ahead of him. and appeared to be blessed at 17 as the whole family got out.


I don't think that comment was suppose to be taken like that. Just like y'all was commenting on Jesus and how he suffered on earth. Now if God can make Jesus suffer (His own Son), how would people get the notion that nobody should suffer on earth.

I get what both of you are saying. But i feel that both of you do agree that Michael was being whiney, he was being a teen, he was gullible and he easily lost his faith. That happens alot, unfortunately. thank goodness Flo made him see his faith will always be the one thing that will get them through anything.

I can most certainly agree with that.

I can most certainly agree with that.
YEA!!!!! WHOOPEE!!!! That's great. See, God does perform miracles. :lol: