Why she couldn;t just say-"Well Ray Willona is not here right now but I will tell her that you stopped by" No, she says-"you can wait for her here-LOL

Why she couldn;t just say-"Well Ray Willona is not here right now but I will tell her that you stopped by" No, she says-"you can wait for her here-LOL
Didn't Willona tell Thelma to tell Ray she would be right back and for him to wait for her?

I think it was dumb for him to make a pass at her in the first place. And in her apartment. Do you think Willona would've actually believe Ray instead of Thelma?

Tell me, was Michael in that episode? And how naive was Willona. She goes out with him again, then she's talking marriage and kids. I though she was so streetwise.

I think it was dumb for him to make a pass at her in the first place. And in her apartment. Do you think Willona would've actually believe Ray instead of Thelma?

Tell me, was Michael in that episode? And how naive was Willona. She goes out with him again, then she's talking marriage and kids. I though she was so streetwise.

She lost her head in the moment.

I think it was dumb for him to make a pass at her in the first place. And in her apartment. Do you think Willona would've actually believe Ray instead of Thelma?

Tell me, was Michael in that episode? And how naive was Willona. She goes out with him again, then she's talking marriage and kids. I though she was so streetwise.
goes to show how SLICK Ray was.

I think it was dumb for him to make a pass at her in the first place. And in her apartment. Do you think Willona would've actually believe Ray instead of Thelma?

Tell me, was Michael in that episode? And how naive was Willona. She goes out with him again, then she's talking marriage and kids. I though she was so streetwise.


Yes Michael was in that episode

Yes Michael was in that episode


I need to watch it again. Was he there the entire time? I can't remember seeing him after Ray tried his thing on Thelma. BTW, Ray was a ugly guy, wasn't he. Willona always talks about the kind of guy she wants, and she chose him.

I need to watch it again. Was he there the entire time? I can't remember seeing him after Ray tried his thing on Thelma. BTW, Ray was a ugly guy, wasn't he. Willona always talks about the kind of guy she wants, and she chose him.
Yeah, he was there, he just wasn't saying much, which is probably why it seemed like he wasn't there. He asked Ray if he still played bass, then Ray did this stupid ass thing, pretending to play "air bass" LOL
He was also there when JJ wanted to hit him. Which I think should have happened and for Willona to stand in his way, seems crazy, but it's because she wanted to have the LAST SAY SO and decked him one. At that point, she should have told JJ go ahead, your turn!!
He was one ugly M******F*****R!!!!! So damn FUGLY!!!!! They could have picked a better actor, but i think, this is JMO, maybe they picked this guy because it would make Ray seem more "disgusting" in his advances, than if it had been a good looking guy like Billy Dee Williams type actor. The ladies in the audience would have been cheering Thelma on to go for it rather than holler in disgust.

I need to watch it again. Was he there the entire time? I can't remember seeing him after Ray tried his thing on Thelma. BTW, Ray was a ugly guy, wasn't he. Willona always talks about the kind of guy she wants, and she chose him.


He was there at the end when ray was thrown out

You could see Ray Checking out Thelma and she caught it. and you can see she started to feel awkward. Right there she could have said something mildly to Willona. He was obviously leering at her. and the rest of the show was predictable at that moment.

You could see Ray Checking out Thelma and she caught it. and you can see she started to feel awkward. Right there she could have said something mildly to Willona. He was obviously leering at her. and the rest of the show was predictable at that moment.

Right. And she didn't have a problem letting him in.

go figure.

Everyone makes a bad judgement at some point in their life, Thelma just made a bad call when she let Ray in.

Everyone makes a bad judgement at some point in their life, Thelma just made a bad call when she let Ray in.
Right on Brieannas. Sometimes we may not agree, but I will let you know when you are so right. Being a woman, and having had men leer, check you out, make a pass, you kinda get used to it. When it is someone that is dating or married to someone you know or are related to, you can kinda say that you may brush it off. Ray was known for being a womanizer, a cheater, the kind of guy that would look at anything, so maybe Thelma thought, as sick as he was for looking at her that way (since she knew him when she was small) it didn't mean anything more to her than being uncomfortable. In her mind, "As long as he don't touch me or anything else" may have been what went on in her head. I had an occasion when my boyfriend's friend kinda insinuated something and I just brushed it off. I never told my boyfriend because even though what he did was wrong, it wasn't something that shocked me since i had seen this behavior from him before. They have been friends forever and I had to tell myself, was this really worth bringing up? Only if it got out of hand. I am sorry for going on and on. I am famous for that. Just wanted to point some things out. Thanx.

But if Ray gave Thelma that "YOU SEXY" look before the commercial, why would Thelma let him in? Damm she had a bad memory-lol

But if Ray gave Thelma that "YOU SEXY" look before the commercial, why would Thelma let him in? Damm she had a bad memory-lol
Of course Soloman, you are speaking as a man...a look doesn't always mean anything...she may have been uncomfortable, but she never expected him to actually do what he did.

Of course Soloman, you are speaking as a man...a look doesn't always mean anything...she may have been uncomfortable, but she never expected him to actually do what he did.



But Ray also said-"DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!!!!"-when he looked*at Thelma-LOL

yeah, I know Soloman (by the way, check out that thread regarding football, I left u a message). It shouldn't have happened period!!!!! Ray was wrong. Thelma was not wrong for anything other than misjudging him. Besides, u didn't answer my question, didn't Willona tell Thelma to have Ray wait for her til she got back??????

yeah, I know Soloman (by the way, check out that thread regarding football, I left u a message). It shouldn't have happened period!!!!! Ray was wrong. Thelma was not wrong for anything other than misjudging him. Besides, u didn't answer my question, didn't Willona tell Thelma to have Ray wait for her til she got back??????



I have to check that episode and watch again

okay, be sure and let me know.

Thelma was fine. I would have tried to get some. But not if I was the neighbor's ex husband.

And we saw in the past Thelma went for an older man.

Thelma was fine. I would have tried to get some. But not if I was the neighbor's ex husband.

And we saw in the past Thelma went for an older man.
George, George, George, there u go. LOL
She may have gone for an older man (43% of teen black girls date older men / 45% of those black girls come from the ghetto / but only one is named Thelma!!!!!!!!!!!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: :wave:
But that doesn't mean she wants an older man to accost her the way Ray did. She didn't tease him or ask for that.

Oh George, don't even go there. (32% of white men in America do go there u know!!!!!!!! LOL)

You are right. I am not suggesting that he should be allowed to accost her. No means no.

But I would at least try. It wouldn't have gotten past her looking at me awkwardly.

You think Ray would have gotten the point at "Ray please don't"

But Ray also said-"DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!!!!"-when he looked*at Thelma-LOL


Thelma didn't even want to tell Willona that Ray was all up on her cause she didn't want Willona to get hurt again. So she sure wasn't gonna say anything just cause Ray Looked at her and said "DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSS". He was talking about the cake anyways. ;)

But Ray also said-"DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!!!!"-when he looked*at Thelma-LOL


Just because a man looks at you a certain way doesn't mean that he'll do anything to you, But if he made her feel uncomfortable then she shouldn't have, yes she did a stupid thing. I don't think that anyone would be saying anything if Ray would have kept his hands to him self. But that fact that he was messing with Thelma that way, now people are like "Well she shouldn't have let him in the house." Well Thelma made a wrong call when she let him in. She should have listen to her gut feeling and she didn't.

Everyone does something stupid at least once in their life, I'm pretty sure you have done something when your gut told you not too, but you did it anyway. And after you did it you were kicking yourself in the ass, Everyone has. You learn and live, that's life.

Thelma didn't even want to tell Willona that Ray was all up on her cause she didn't want Thelma to get hurt again. So she sure wasn't gonna say anything just cause Ray Looked at her and said "DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSS". He was talking about the cake anyways. ;)


Good thing Florida sensed it.

When the whole family rallied against ray Willona knew she was a fool.

Thelma didn't even want to tell Willona that Ray was all up on her cause she didn't want Willona to get hurt again. So she sure wasn't gonna say anything just cause Ray Looked at her and said "DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSS". He was talking about the cake anyways. ;)


He was talking about the cake and Thelma-LOL

Thelma didn't even want to tell Willona that Ray was all up on her cause she didn't want Willona to get hurt again. So she sure wasn't gonna say anything just cause Ray Looked at her and said "DEEEE-LICIOUSSSSSS". He was talking about the cake anyways. ;)
Craftman, you are the bomb. Yes, exactly. Being a woman, I am not going to hurt a dear friend/family member with something like that. Willona knew what he was before. Thelma didn't want to start something if there was nothing really to say. Now, ladies, you know I am right that when a woman tells another woman that her man is "doing certain things" the chances of the woman believing that are ZIP, ZERO, NADA!!!!! Because a woman doesn't want to believe that her man would do such things. It's called "Denial" or standing by your man. Then, the chances of that friendship going down the drain over that man are really high.

He was talking about the cake and Thelma-LOL
Yes Soloman, but the point is from Willona's point of view, that's what she would have believed. Ray would have told Willona, I was talking abt the cake, not Thelma. Then Willona would have said, "you see Thelma, you misunderstood, he meant the cake". How do I know he would have said that??? Because look at his response when he was ganged up on by Thelma and Florida. "Who you gonna believe, some flaky kid or your old man????" It reminds me of that saying, "Are you gonna believe your eyes, or are you gonna believe me????"

:wave: :cheers: :clap: props: Just because a man looks at you a certain way doesn't mean that he'll do anything to you, But if he made her feel uncomfortable then she shouldn't have, yes she did a stupid thing. I don't think that anyone would be saying anything if Ray would have kept his hands to him self. But that fact that he was messing with Thelma that way, now people are like "Well she shouldn't have let him in the house." Well Thelma made a wrong call when she let him in. She should have listen to her gut feeling and she didn't.

Everyone does something stupid at least once in their life, I'm pretty sure you have done something when your gut told you not too, but you did it anyway. And after you did it you were kicking yourself in the ass, Everyone has. You learn and live, that's life. You are so right. It's the ol' "Blame the victim" syndrome.

But Ray also said-"DELICIOUSSSSSS!!!!!!"-when he looked*at Thelma-LOLI have to watch the DVD again, I missed that part

Yes, see it again. It was so nauseating seeing that ugly man do that to Thelma.

I have to watch the DVD again, I missed that part


He says it like 3-4 seconds before the commercial Break

But if Ray gave Thelma that "YOU SEXY" look before the commercial, why would Thelma let him in? Damm she had a bad memory-lol


You have to remember, that was six weeks ago. She probably thought that Ray was just teasing her and brushed it off(I'm talkinbg about the Deeelicious part and him giving her taht lustful look). She probably thought what happened six weeks ago was her taking things out of proportion. Maybe she said, "I looked too much into that. Ray was proably just teasing me."

You have to remember, that was six weeks ago. She probably thought that Ray was just teasing her and brushed it off(I'm talkinbg about the Deeelicious part and him giving her taht lustful look). She probably thought what happened six weeks ago was her taking things out of proportion. Maybe she said, "I looked too much into that. Ray was proably just teasing me."



No Teenage Girl is supposed to let a grown man in her house if she is home alone. Period.

No Teenage Girl is supposed to let a grown man in her house if she is home alone. Period.

The girl was a YOUNG adult. She was 18 or 19 years old, not really a "teenager"(Like 13-17)

The girl was a YOUNG adult. She was 18 or 19 years old, not really a "teenager"(Like 13-17)



But what was she going to do while he was in the house with her alone until Willona got back? what can a middle age man and a 18 year old girl to talk about?? So it was no point in letting him in

I feel she let him in, because she knew him well enough to not feel threated by him.. I am sure if she was uncomfortable with him from the beginnig she would have never let him in

I feel she let him in, because she knew him well enough to not feel threated by him.. I am sure if she was uncomfortable with him from the beginnig she would have never let him in


But the Fact that she didn't know how long Willona would be gone still made no sense for her to let Ray in. So let's say Thelma decided to go in her room and leave Ray out in the living room by himself with no TV, he would have been just staring into space waiting for Willona to come back so he should told he could come back later

Yes, see it again. It was so nauseating seeing that ugly man do that to Thelma.


How nobody in the room besides Thelma, didn't pick up on that is beyond me.

How nobody in the room besides Thelma, didn't pick up on that is beyond me.



Which is why it was more confusing as to why she let him in after seeing him give her the-"I want some of you" look-lol

Which is why it was more confusing as to why she let him in after seeing him give her the-"I want some of you" look-lol


Exactly, Thelma was naive!

Which is why it was more confusing as to why she let him in after seeing him give her the-"I want some of you" look-lol


I think it's because she didn't think that Ray would actually try anything with her since he had known her since she was a little girl.

What she should have said was "Willona just left, I'll let her know that you stopped by when she gets back."

I think it's because she didn't think that Ray would actually try anything with her since he had known her since she was a little girl.

What she should have said was "Willona just left, I'll let her know that you stopped by when she gets back."



Right, no reason to let him in at all

Right, no reason to let him in at all


Well, You don't want any man in your house LOL

Ray had no right seducing Thelma. She probably didn't say anything to Willona because she didn't want to ruin her happiness. She may have also been worried that she probably read "too much" into Ray and didn't want to risk being wrong and causing trouble where there wasn't any.

Wasn't this the episode where Willona socked him in the face when he tried to get too fresh with Thelma? I agree that Thelma should've followed her gut instincts and not let him. I certainly wouldn't have. Ray was one dirty guy, btw. :eek:

Wasn't this the episode where Willona socked him in the face when he tried to get too fresh with Thelma? I agree that Thelma should've followed her gut instincts and not let him. I certainly wouldn't have. Ray was one dirty guy, btw. :eek:



Yes that's the ep. Plus it was very unreaalistic for a teenage girl to let the boyfriend of her mother's friend in her APT while no one else was home-lol

I meant to say, Thelma SHOULD NOT have let him in when she was all alone in the apartment. She should have followed her gut instincts about him. He really was a creepy guy, yuck!! :eek:

Thelma was a grown woman in college. She shouldn't have let Ray in knowing that he had been eyeing her, and especially if her gut was telling her not to let him in. When I was in my teens I let my dad's friends inside our house when I was home alone. None of them were freaks and none tried anything. Ray was just sick and crazy, and it's sad but there are a lot of men like him out in the real world.

Thelma was a grown woman in college. She shouldn't have let Ray in knowing that he had been eyeing her, and especially if her gut was telling her not to let him in. When I was in my teens I let my dad's friends inside our house when I was home alone. None of them were freaks and none tried anything. Ray was just sick and crazy, and it's sad but there are a lot of men like him out in the real world.

Exactly. The people you think won't do anything, may do something. And vice versa. Thelma was NOT A TEEN either.

To make the comment that it is unrealistic for a teen to do that just makes me :brent...teens all over the country do things that are idiotic, stupid and thoughtless. They talk to predators on the internet, they meet with strangers, they get into a stranger's car, they drink, they do drugs, they sneak out of the house, they ditch school...teens get behind the wheel of a car while under the influence. Teens are not so sophisticated that they would know who may cause them harm or not, so it is not unrealistic for them to allow a stranger or even a family friend in their home if they are alone. They don't expect something bad to happen. What world do you live in Solomon?

Hell, even adults do things that may seem "unrealistic" but it happens everyday. Just read the newspaper or watch the news. No one is immune.

Exactly. The people you think won't do anything, may do something. And vice versa. Thelma was NOT A TEEN either.

To make the comment that it is unrealistic for a teen to do that just makes me :brent...teens all over the country do things that are idiotic, stupid and thoughtless. They talk to predators on the internet, they meet with strangers, they get into a stranger's car, they drink, they do drugs, they sneak out of the house, they ditch school...teens get behind the wheel of a car while under the influence. Teens are not so sophisticated that they would know who may cause them harm or not, so it is not unrealistic for them to allow a stranger or even a family friend in their home if they are alone. They don't expect something bad to happen. What world do you live in Solomon?

Hell, even adults do things that may seem "unrealistic" but it happens everyday. Just read the newspaper or watch the news. No one is immune.


My mom told me that when your gut tells you to do something you do it. It's Gods way of telling you to wake up and pay attention.

My mom told me that when your gut tells you to do something you do it. It's Gods way of telling you to wake up and pay attention.
AMEN TO THAT!!!!!!!!!! :cheers: to your mom!

Exactly. The people you think won't do anything, may do something. And vice versa. Thelma was NOT A TEEN either.

To make the comment that it is unrealistic for a teen to do that just makes me :brent...teens all over the country do things that are idiotic, stupid and thoughtless. They talk to predators on the internet, they meet with strangers, they get into a stranger's car, they drink, they do drugs, they sneak out of the house, they ditch school...teens get behind the wheel of a car while under the influence. Teens are not so sophisticated that they would know who may cause them harm or not, so it is not unrealistic for them to allow a stranger or even a family friend in their home if they are alone. They don't expect something bad to happen. What world do you live in Solomon?

Hell, even adults do things that may seem "unrealistic" but it happens everyday. Just read the newspaper or watch the news. No one is immune.



Well I guess in real life I could see a teenage girl saying-"I will let her know you stopped by ok?

Well I guess in real life I could see a teenage girl saying-"I will let her know you stopped by ok?
Maybe. But I could easily see hundreds of females doing what they think is o.k. This is a man who is stopping by; this is a family friend.

Well I guess in real life I could see a teenage girl saying-"I will let her know you stopped by ok?


Well this is the real world and I don't see a lot of teens doing that. Unless they were strangers that they didn't know or someone crazy like Ray.

Well this is the real world and I don't see a lot of teens doing that. Unless they were strangers that they didn't know or someone crazy like Ray.
Bingo! If teen girls didn't do that, there wouldn't be stories in the newspapers abt females being raped by family members, family friends, being attacked, assaulted...you get my drift. This world is NOT perfect. Not all bad people are STRANGERS. :rolleyes:

In any case, good for Willona for giving Ray what he had coming. But if I were her, I'd have aimed lower. ;)

In any case, good for Willona for giving Ray what he had coming. But if I were her, I'd have aimed lower. ;)


AMEN to that!

AMEN to that!
;) :thumbsup:

Thelma was a grown woman in college. She shouldn't have let Ray in knowing that he had been eyeing her, and especially if her gut was telling her not to let him in. When I was in my teens I let my dad's friends inside our house when I was home alone. None of them were freaks and none tried anything. Ray was just sick and crazy, and it's sad but there are a lot of men like him out in the real world.Personally, if I had a daughter, no man would be allowed in my house when she's by herself. I don't have any friends like that. Most of my friends know they couldn't do that. Ray is just lucky that James was gone. If he was still alive, Willona would be attending Ray's funeral instead of their wedding.

Ray was by far the creepiest character to appear on this show. I'd trust Balderman Davis over him!! :lol: