With Katrina hitting and it being the worst natural disaster and the Tsunami 8 months ago, could the end of the world be near??? I just realized that the events that are happening is what the most religious experts say will happen eventually.

With Katrina hitting and it being the worst natural disaster and the Tsunami 8 months ago, could the end of the world be near??? I just realized that the events that are happening is what the most religious experts say will happen eventually.



Well.. the bible says "no man shall know, but god himself", i think that's the way he wants it to be viewed, which i'm comfortable with. The Native Americans believethat when the white buffalo is born (which has been within the past couple of years) there would be 5 years of chaos that no man has seen, and in an instant peace would come and last a thousand years! I've always been intrigued with that belief. :)

Well.. the bible says "no man shall know, but god himself", i think that's the way he wants it to be viewed, which i'm comfortable with. The Native Americans believethat when the whit buffalo is born (which has been within the past couple of years) there would be 5 years of chaos that no man has seen, and in an instant peace would come and last a thousand years! I've always been intrigued with that belief. :)

could those 5 years of chaos have begun on 9-11-01? I mean, so many chaotic things have happened in the past 4 years... if this is the case, after one more year, everything is going to turn out just fine and dandy? would be cool.

could those 5 years of chaos have begun on 9-11-01? I mean, so many chaotic things have happened in the past 4 years... if this is the case, after one more year, everything is going to turn out just fine and dandy? would be cool.

i know one may have been born around that time, but i swear i read that another was born recently, i don't know if his coat has remained white though. The first was born in 94, named Miracle which in Lakota means Rebirth. She was a female like in the prophecy, and her father died like in the prophecy, but i know her coat didn't remain white.

i know one may have been born around that time, but i swear i read that another was born recently, i don't know if his coat has remained white though. The first was born in 94, named Miracle which in Lakota means Rebirth. She was a female like in the prophecy, and her father died like in the prophecy, but i know her coat didn't remain white.

when you think about it, the past 4 years since 9-11-01 have been cluttered with a lot of bad things: 9-11, the war in Iraq (whether you're for or against it, people have died, so the death of those soldiers is a bad thing), Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, the mass bombings in Spain and London, Space Shuttle Columbia, the premiere and eventual DVD release of Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (ok, that was a joke, lol) and so on.... Yes, bad things have always occured, but in the last few years they've been much more frequent.

when you think about it, the past 4 years since 9-11-01 have been cluttered with a lot of bad things: 9-11, the war in Iraq (whether you're for or against it, people have died, so the death of those soldiers is a bad thing), Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, the mass bombings in Spain and London, Space Shuttle Columbia, the premiere and eventual DVD release of Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (ok, that was a joke, lol) and so on.... Yes, bad things have always occured, but in the last few years they've been much more frequent.


the premiere and eventual DVD release of Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (ok, that was a joke, lol)

ROFL! :rofl: wow that is catastrophic! Thanx for the laugh, I needed it!

when you think about it, the past 4 years since 9-11-01 have been cluttered with a lot of bad things: 9-11, the war in Iraq (whether you're for or against it, people have died, so the death of those soldiers is a bad thing), Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, the mass bombings in Spain and London, Space Shuttle Columbia, the premiere and eventual DVD release of Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (ok, that was a joke, lol) and so on.... Yes, bad things have always occured, but in the last few years they've been much more frequent.


I agree, there has deffinately been a shift, especially after 911

every time a natural diasster, or just a worldwide disaster in general happens, religious "experts" claim the end is near. Well, like someone else said, "no man will know, only God Himself." I feel pretty safe in saying that even God can fool the "experts"

ST. Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

21:10 Then said He unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights, and great signs shall there be from heaven.

21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

St Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

St Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

This is some of what Christians believe will happen right before Christ returns. So while it's true that nobody knows the exact time or day of Christ's return, like Jesus said, when these things start happening at an alarming rate, that's how we will know that his return is near. So he won't give us the exact time, but he will warn us when his return is near. Based on all that's happening in the world right now, and based on how wars, rumors of wars, pestilences, and natural disasters seem to have picked up at such an alarming rate, I believe the end is very much near.

For anyone who wants to learn more about what Christians believe, and when we believe Christ will be returning, I encourage you to read ST. Matthew chapter 24, ST. Mark chapter 13, ST. Luke chapter 21, and the book of Revalations.

every time a natural diasster, or just a worldwide disaster in general happens, religious "experts" claim the end is near. Well, like someone else said, "no man will know, only God Himself." I feel pretty safe in saying that even God can fool the "experts"

That is very true. But like the Bible says, a day for a man, is like a thousand years for God. So if Jesus happened to return tomorrow, then all the people who spoke of his return 100 years ago, would be correct, since 100 years is only a very short amount of time for God.

ST. Luke 21:8 And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

21:9 But when ye shall hear of wars and commotions, be not terrified: for these things must first come to pass; but the end is not by and by.

21:10 Then said He unto them, Nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom:

21:11 And great earthquakes shall be in divers places, and famines, and pestilences; and fearful sights, and great signs shall there be from heaven.

21:12 But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

St Matthew 24:30 And then shall appear the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

St Matthew 24:32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:

33: So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.

This is some of what Christians believe will happen right before Christ returns. So while it's true that nobody knows the exact time or day of Christ's return, like Jesus said, when these things start happening at an alarming rate, that's how we will know that his return is near. So he won't give us the exact time, but he will warn us when his return is near. Based on all that's happening in the world right now, and based on how wars, rumors of wars, pestilences, and natural disasters seem to have picked up at such an alarming rate, I believe the end is very much near.

For anyone who wants to learn more about what Christians believe, and when we believe Christ will be returning, I encourage you to read ST. Matthew chapter 24, ST. Mark chapter 13, ST. Luke chapter 21, and the book of Revalations.
Thanx for the above info. I am sure we can look back in history and see alot of "chaotic" things that happened in clusters and it was assumed 'that the end was near'. Only God knows, and sometimes things are not obvious. We can assume alot of things, but we will not know until God decides.

Thanx for the above info. I am sure we can look back in history and see alot of "chaotic" things that happened in clusters and it was assumed 'that the end was near'. Only God knows, and sometimes things are not obvious. We can assume alot of things, but we will not know until God decides.

No problem. Hopefully this was of some help to some people in understanding a little better what Christians believe. And I do agree with you that only God knows the exact time or day. I'm just thankful that he has given us a warning. Not even the people killed in the days of Noah received a warning, so I think Jesus giving us a warning, proves of God's grace for us.

Thanx for the above info. I am sure we can look back in history and see alot of "chaotic" things that happened in clusters and it was assumed 'that the end was near'. Only God knows, and sometimes things are not obvious. We can assume alot of things, but we will not know until God decides.

The only reason everything seems so chaotic and everpresent is the explosion of technology and the media.

The internet and the media report everything and show you everything and is loaded with worldwide opinion, lies, rumors and hysteria.

You think this is the most chaotic time in history, the worst disasters to have ever happened, the most threatened the security of the world had been?

How about WWII, the Holocaust, all the famines,earthquakes and natural disasters in the last 50 years, how about the Cold War and the Bay of Pigs, how about the Cold War of the '80s?

Today the media and internet keep us all in fear, as fear sells.
There has always been chaos and war and terror.

It's just that now you have access to information 1000x over what is was in the past.

AND IT IS IN YOUR FACE 24 - 7.

The only reason everything seems so chaotic and everpresent is the explosion of technology and the media.

The internet and the media report everything and show you everything and is loaded with worldwide opinion, lies, rumors and hysteria.

You think this is the most chaotic time in history, the worst disasters to have ever happened, the most threatened the security of the world had been?

How about WWII, the Holocaust, all the famines,earthquakes and natural disasters in the last 50 years, how about the Cold War and the Bay of Pigs, how about the Cold War of the '80s?

Today the media and internet keep us all in fear, as fear sells.
There has always been chaos and war and terror.

It's just that now you have access to information 1000x over what is was in the past.

AND IT IS IN YOUR FACE 24 - 7.
True. Very True. I was going to go into detail abt other catastrophes and such, but I kept it minimum. You said this very well. I am sure anyone who has lived thru any era can sit here and tell you when they thought the end was near.
This hurricane is so devastating. I live in southern California and with earthquakes, there is NO WARNING whatsoever, I just put my faith in God and the fact that I have lived with earthquakes all my life and am still here to talk with you all, makes me know my faith in Him is very strong. I pray that those affected by this hurricane will make it through one day at a time.

I do believe the end of the world is coming. Just when that happens I don't know. There is a guy claiming to be the real son of God and he appeared at FIT in NY.

I do believe the end of the world is coming. Just when that happens I don't know. There is a guy claiming to be the real son of God and he appeared at FIT in NY.
Is he some older gentleman dressed in a white robe? I have heard and seen pics abt this guy so I am wondering if it's the same one.

No problem. Hopefully this was of some help to some people in understanding a little better what Christians believe. And I do agree with you that only God knows the exact time or day. I'm just thankful that he has given us a warning. Not even the people killed in the days of Noah received a warning, so I think Jesus giving us a warning, proves of God's grace for us.


I've always wondered if we actually got the warnings when the extremist were kidnapping people and beheading them, i've heard that they had an out if they denounced christian beliefs and accepted islam, it does refer to that in the bible in the end days

BTW, I always feel the love of Jesus around me, especially during bad times. So whether He is actually here in person or not, to me, is irrelevant. Sure, I rejoice the day He is actually HERE, but Jesus' presence is always around and is indeed here. that's all.

I do believe the end of the world is coming. Just when that happens I don't know. There is a guy claiming to be the real son of God and he appeared at FIT in NY.

Do you believe that it will be in our lifetime?
What timeframe do you estimate?

Just because we've had a few natural disasters doesnt mean its the end of the world. We've had natural disasters before...

I do believe the end of the world is coming. Just when that happens I don't know. There is a guy claiming to be the real son of God and he appeared at FIT in NY.
Alot of people say their the son of god :lol:

Just because we've had a few natural disasters doesnt mean its the end of the world. We've had natural disasters before...

Exactly....

Alot of people say their the son of god :lol:


Yeah, anyone could say that, doesn't make it so. :lol:

I was watching an old Unsolved Mysteries before 9-11-01, and didn't some psychic predict 9-11, not the exact date, but a catastorphic disaster in 2001??? Also, I think the same person predicted the end of the world in 2012.

I was watching an old Unsolved Mysteries before 9-11-01, and didn't some psychic predict 9-11, not the exact date, but a catastorphic disaster in 2001??? Also, I think the same person predicted the end of the world in 2012.


The mayan calendars end in 2012, the longest of all the calendars, they have wondered that for years

I wonder if this fits in with all the Bible code they weretalking about when 9/11 happened?

I remember being scared when I was a teen because I had read abt Nostradamus and his so -called predictions. He also predicted the end to be in late 80's or early 90's, can't remember, and besides, I don't care. It didn't happen. but I felt so scared because his 'predictions' supposedly had been coming true. It wasn't until I read a book and seen a documentary that explained how his predictions could have been interpreted many many ways.

The mayan calendars end in 2012, the longest of all the calendars, they have wondered that for years
Oh great I'll be in college when the world ends -_- Maybe they just didnt go longer than there cause they didnt have time? :p

I remember being scared when I was a teen because I had read abt Nostradamus and his so -called predictions. He also predicted the end to be in late 80's or early 90's, can't remember, and besides, I don't care. It didn't happen. but I felt so scared because his 'predictions' supposedly had been coming true. It wasn't until I read a book and seen a documentary that explained how his predictions could have been interpreted many many ways.


What is weird about that, Nostradamus talks about the fall of the new city would begin the end of times, first new york, now new orleans. It's eerie looking at the city as we speak because now the flood water is on fire and it gives the appearance of it being a lake of fire, kinda freaking me out now :eek:

Oh great I'll be in college when the world ends -_- Maybe they just didnt go longer than there cause they didnt have time? :p


everyone has been wrong so far, so we'll see
:p

What is weird about that, Nostradamus talks about the fall of the new city would begin the end of times, first new york, now new orleans. It's eerie looking at the city as we speak because now the flood water is on fire and it gives the appearance of it being a lake of fire, kinda freaking me out now :eek:
Just don't let it get to you. It is scary and alot can be read into those things. I know, I had the same feeling see the pics of New Orleans. But nothing scared me like 9/11. I was 7 months pregnant and I was a wreck. I started thinking abt the end etc. Nostradamus came into my head, etc. I realize now that was a waste of time. I should have just focused on the tragedy, the people, the families. I prayed and prayed for them and also that we don't see this happen again.

everyone has been wrong so far, so we'll see
:p

How have people been wrong?? The Bible teaches us that a thousand years for us, is a day for God. That means that people who predicted Christ's return 100 years ago would be correct, since 100 years mathematically is only a little over two hours to God.

I respect most other people's beliefs, but I'm just sharing what we as Christians believe. Just like Islamics, and Jews have their beliefs, this is what I believe. I'm not trying to start trouble.

How have people been wrong?? The Bible teaches us that a thousand years for us, is a day for God. That means that people who predicted Christ's return 100 years ago would be correct, since 100 years mathematically is only a little over two hours to God.

I respect most other people's beliefs, but I'm just sharing what we as Christians believe. Just like Islamics, and Jews have their beliefs, this is what I believe. I'm not trying to start trouble.


I wasn't talking about the bible, i was talking about the people who predict

i predict that the worlds gonna end when the sun burns out...

How have people been wrong?? The Bible teaches us that a thousand years for us, is a day for God. That means that people who predicted Christ's return 100 years ago would be correct, since 100 years mathematically is only a little over two hours to God.

I respect most other people's beliefs, but I'm just sharing what we as Christians believe. Just like Islamics, and Jews have their beliefs, this is what I believe. I'm not trying to start trouble.
I understand what you are trying to say, but I just do'nt think it's that simple. The Bible is a rulebook for Christians to live by, and it's how we learn about our Lord, I know this, but I just don't think determining when Jesus will come back can be done in a simple math problem or determined from a few verses. When God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah, it wasn't the end of the world, but more of a wake up call; God saying "Look i'm here, i'm not afraid to show you either," and I think all this is just God's way of saying "WooHoo, look up!" but hey that's just me.

You have to remember though: When the world does end, we're (Christians) not going to be here to witness it. So i'm not really that worried. When the end is near it will happen so quick that there will be no time to debate it. I'm looking forward to it.

When the end is near it will happen so quick that there will be no time to debate it. I'm looking forward to it.

agreed

the premiere and eventual DVD release of Britney & Kevin: Chaotic (ok, that was a joke, lol)

:lol: Someone may have very well died as a result of that too.

Oh great I'll be in college when the world ends -_- Maybe they just didnt go longer than there cause they didnt have time? :p

They got bored and figured, oh who cares, none of us will be alive then anyway. ;)

I remember when people were predicting that Y2K would be the end of the world, that the governments would collapse and all these bad things would happen, but they didn't.

I think at times like these it gets us to thinking about things like this, but I agree, there's been so many natural disasters and wars, and whatnot in the last century alone, and I'm sure people who lived through those things thought the end of the world was coming.

With Katrina hitting and it being the worst natural disaster and the Tsunami 8 months ago, could the end of the world be near??? I just realized that the events that are happening is what the most religious experts say will happen eventually.
Nope. These kind of atmospheric phenomenon has been happening for hundreds of millions of years.
There have been huge natural disasters such as the 1556 earthquake in China in which 830,000 people died. Or the 1887 flood, again in China (the Huang He River) which killed 900,00.

Don't yo think maybe in some sence the world has already ended? Look at all the bad crap around us.....

Don't yo think maybe in some sence the world has already ended? Look at all the bad crap around us.....

It's sad, and hard to live with that's for sure :(

hopefully. i had an awesome dream about the apocalypse last night. and nevertheless the world is spiraling out of control, it IS about time jesus came.

Don't yo think maybe in some sence the world has already ended? Look at all the bad crap around us.....
Sometimes I see and just want to close my eyes.

Luckily I follow the path of God.

I think what happened to 9-11 has frozen my senses a bit. It was so hard for me to watch that. Now with Hurricane Katrina and the Tsunami I can't watch disasters on TV as much anymore. They're too painful.

They got bored and figured, oh who cares, none of us will be alive then anyway. ;)
Or they were drunk when they made the calendars and laughed their booties off saying "Who cares, some morons with nothing better to do will think our calendars are for real and they will sit around and talk abt them, trying to figure out if Jesus is coming and if the world is going to come to an end ". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Or they were drunk when they made the calendars and laughed their booties off saying "Who cares, some morons with nothing better to do will think our calendars are for real and they will sit around and talk abt them, trying to figure out if Jesus is coming and if the world is going to come to an end ". :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


They were really good at playing with peoples heads! They pretty much invented basketball, only the balll was always a human head :eek:

Well, as others have said noone knows when the end of the world will come except God. There have been many incidents in this world for many years that proclaimed the end was coming and it didn't. When it does, let's hope we will all be ready.

everyone keeps saying it is but i dont think so- its not like there havent been hurricanes and tsunamis before

If it's not the end of the world, it's certainly the end of society.

Think about the expences the United States is taking on: The war on terror, the war in Iraq, our own disaster at home. That coupled with everyday administrative expences is going to prove astranomical! No government can spend and spend and spend, and expect to spend some more, without serious consequences for it's people.

America can not live as it has been at this rate of "bills". Something has got to give.

Our culture has been consumed with advertisments. The dollar rules all. Our people are getting fat, our air is toxic, our lives are seperate from nature.

All the while Americans are living in fear of a hundred different things, not the least of which is terrorism. Money and fear control our lives.

As things are now, our society is not sustainable.

If this is not the beginning of the end of the world, it is the beginning of the end of our way of life.

This happens every time after a disaster... the doom-and-gloomers pop up and start with their claims (the beginning of the end of the world, of civilization, etc).
New Orleans and the U.S. will recover.

This is not the end of the world, the end of society or the end of our ways of lives. Don't listen to the doom-and-gloomers- they have been proven wrong every single time.

I don't think the end of the world is coming, people keep on predicting things but none of them really support each other, it's like they assigned people years...Bob, you predict 2006, Larry 2007...etc.

Someone mentioned that the US is taking on to much trying to fight wars on terrorism and dealing with their own conflicts but didn't the French have a Revolution and a war with other countries on their hand at the same time...and didn't they still win? I seem to remember something like that in history class. Bad things have been happening around us forever.

Also, the bible wasn't magically zapped from the sky, other people wrote it, so I mean, some things, AREN'T 100% true.

I like to think that God wouldn't make all these horrible things happen right before the world ends...I like to think it would be a lot more...peaceful. There would be a lot more ease than unrest in the world.

I know there's nothing I can do, but I really hope it's not the end of the world...there's too much I have to do in life before it's over...I want to be old and still brunette, but old when I die.

This happens every time after a disaster... the doom-and-gloomers pop up and start with their claims (the beginning of the end of the world, of civilization, etc).
New Orleans and the U.S. will recover.

This is not the end of the world, the end of society or the end of our ways of lives. Don't listen to the doom-and-gloomers- they have been proven wrong every single time.

Nations fall. That has been proven time and time again through history. The United States is not indestructable. It will one day pass from this earth, regardless of when and how.


I don't believe the world will end. Save a galactic cataclism, this world will live on. It's the governments that pass, and that's what I believe we are seeing now.

Poor Max...
It's going to take A LOT more than one hurricane to cause the United States to fall.

Poor Max...
It's going to take A LOT more than one hurricane to cause the United States to fall.

Ah! But it's not just this one hurricane. It's everything. And it's all that is coming. And the general decadence growing throughout our society. It's all around us.

This happens every time after a disaster... the doom-and-gloomers pop up and start with their claims (the beginning of the end of the world, of civilization, etc).
New Orleans and the U.S. will recover.

This is not the end of the world, the end of society or the end of our ways of lives. Don't listen to the doom-and-gloomers- they have been proven wrong every single time.

yea that

People are acting like we've never had disasters before (natural and....non-natural). I mean, we've had hurricanes. We've had tsunamis. We've had wars. This isnt a new thing that the world isnt perfect.

Don't yo think maybe in some sence the world has already ended? Look at all the bad crap around us.....
The world has always been crappy to begind with.

Ah! But it's not just this one hurricane. It's everything. And it's all that is coming. And the general decadence growing throughout our society. It's all around us.
Everything? Such as...?
Again, the doom-and-gloomers, who have been around for a long time, are always proven wrong.

Everything? Such as...?
Again, the doom-and-gloomers, who have been around for a long time, are always proven wrong.

Everything such as:


"The war on terror, the war in Iraq, our own disaster at home. That coupled with everyday administrative expences is going to prove astranomical! No government can spend and spend and spend, and expect to spend some more, without serious consequences for it's people.

America can not live as it has been at this rate of "bills". Something has got to give.

Our culture has been consumed with advertisments. The dollar rules all. Our people are getting fat, our air is toxic, our lives are seperate from nature.

All the while Americans are living in fear of a hundred different things, not the least of which is terrorism. Money and fear control our lives.

As things are now, our society is not sustainable."

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Everything such as:


"The war on terror, the war in Iraq, our own disaster at home. That coupled with everyday administrative expences is going to prove astranomical! No government can spend and spend and spend, and expect to spend some more, without serious consequences for it's people.

America can not live as it has been at this rate of "bills". Something has got to give.

Our culture has been consumed with advertisments. The dollar rules all. Our people are getting fat, our air is toxic, our lives are seperate from nature.

All the while Americans are living in fear of a hundred different things, not the least of which is terrorism. Money and fear control our lives.

As things are now, our society is not sustainable."
You really haven't said anything that is valid. Just repeating "doom-and-gloom."
When Reagan stood up to the Russians, these same doom-and-gloomers said that he would start WWIII, with nuclear weapons possibly being used. What actually happens? The Soviet Union collapses and the Cold War ends!
The moral? Don't listen to the doom-and-gloomers!

You really haven't said anything that is valid. Just repeating "doom-and-gloom."
When Reagan stood up to the Russians, these same doom-and-gloomers said that he would start WWIII, with nuclear weapons possibly being used. What actually happens? The Soviet Union collapses and the Cold War ends!
The moral? Don't listen to the doom-and-gloomers!


Oh, so my opinion is not valid? I say what I see in the lives of everyone I meet. There is a general feeling of falling, that we are not living as we should. Every vehicle on the road screams out that message.

I haven't said one thing that is "doom-and-gloom". All I said was this nation is ending. That's not to say all is lost. In fact, I have faith that Americans will raise up again, stronger and wiser than ever.

This society is not sustainable. Perhaps the next one on this land will be. We are not doomed. Yet.

Everything such as:


"The war on terror, the war in Iraq, our own disaster at home. That coupled with everyday administrative expences is going to prove astranomical! No government can spend and spend and spend, and expect to spend some more, without serious consequences for it's people.

America can not live as it has been at this rate of "bills". Something has got to give.

Our culture has been consumed with advertisments. The dollar rules all. Our people are getting fat, our air is toxic, our lives are seperate from nature.

All the while Americans are living in fear of a hundred different things, not the least of which is terrorism. Money and fear control our lives.

As things are now, our society is not sustainable."

besides the natural disasters (which have always occcured), humans have had concious control over everything else that goes on and I dont believe it has anything to do with the coming of Jesus...we did this to ourselves

besides the natural disasters (which have always occcured), humans have had concious control over everything else that goes on and I dont believe it has anything to do with the coming of Jesus...we did this to ourselves

I agree. Our leaders make the decisions that determine our nation's survival. We keep those leaders in power, regardless of type of government, it's the people who ultimately have the power. All our decisions, or lack thereof, will bring about our nation's decline. Natural disasters play a small part in that decline. But it's corruption and bad management that really bring peoples down.

In my view, it's not the end. It's the beginning. A beginning of something new. People are strong, and they will rebuild. I hope they do a better job, but either way, no nation, no government, will last forever.



I believe we are witnessing a great shift in global power, but more importantly, in the lives of the American people.

Oh, so my opinion is not valid? I say what I see in the lives of everyone I meet. There is a general feeling of falling, that we are not living as we should. Every vehicle on the road screams out that message.

I haven't said one thing that is "doom-and-gloom". All I said was this nation is ending. That's not to say all is lost. In fact, I have faith that Americans will raise up again, stronger and wiser than ever.

This society is not sustainable. Perhaps the next one on this land will be. We are not doomed. Yet.
You are not making an opinion; you are making claims that this is "the beginning of the end of the world/U.S."

Lol. You claim you haven't said one thing that is doom-and-gloom?
To quote you:
"If it's not the end of the world, it's certainly the end of society."
"As things are now, our society is not sustainable."
"If this is not the beginning of the end of the world, it is the beginning of the end of our way of life"
DOOM-AND-GLOOM!

It was ONE hurricane... the U.S. will continue!

You are not making an opinion; you are making claims that this is "the beginning of the end of the world/U.S."

Lol. You claim you haven't said one thing that is doom-and-gloom?
To quote you:
"If it's not the end of the world, it's certainly the end of society."
"As things are now, our society is not sustainable."
"If this is not the beginning of the end of the world, it is the beginning of the end of our way of life"
DOOM-AND-GLOOM!

It was ONE hurricane... the U.S. will continue!

As I said, I don't think we're doomed. We will over-come all the trials. But not before we are shaken to the core.

And as I said, it's nothing to do with the hurricane. It's everything that has happened to us, everything the government is spending, and everything that will happen.

The US cannot endure forever. Name one nation in history that has.

As I said, I don't think we're doomed. We will over-come all the trials. But not before we are shaken to the core.

And as I said, it's nothing to do with the hurricane. It's everything that has happened to us, everything the government is spending, and everything that will happen.

The US cannot endure forever. Name one nation in history that has.
I would classify someone who says, "If it's not the end of the world, it's the end of society" a doom-and-gloomer.

And don't worry... the U.S. will be around a long time after we're both gone. Unless the illegal aliens take over the country, that is.

I would classify someone who says, "If it's not the end of the world, it's the end of society" a doom-and-gloomer.

And don't worry... the U.S. will be around a long time after we're both gone. Unless the illegal aliens take over the country, that is.

I don't agree.

You're always trying to classify people.

I don't agree.

You're always trying to classify people.
Well, your thoughts were certainly not on the "cheerful" side! ("The end of society.")

And you're always bringing up the dark side of things.

Well, your thoughts were certainly not on the "cheerful" side! ("The end of society.")

And you're always bringing up the dark side of things.

When it comes to the future, I am a very deppressing person. But I always have hope. Hope in human strength. I'm banking on that for when our nation falls(regardless of whether that happens tomarrow or one hundred years from now).

But I have no faith left in government.

There is no right or wrong answer ,because NOBODY knows for sure, But in your opinion do you think we will see the 2nd coming in our lifetime?

Ironic from such a big Halloween fan.
Halloween is a bright subject for me. And since the origins of Halloween were religious in nature, it really can't be considered a "dark" holiday or subject.
Besides, I only like the friendly ghosts, not the dark ones. ;)

When it comes to the future, I am a very deppressing person.
I hope you're not married. ;) I wouldn't want to be married to a very depressing person whether it's about the future, past or present.

Jesus died something like 2000 years ago, people die, they dont come back, just ask the ancient Egyptians, who thought theyd BE back, by now!

I believe Jesus has returned ;)















in the form of this guy:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y18/twice_da_sweetness/Random%20Crap/bo3.jpg

Jesus died something like 2000 years ago, people die, they dont come back, just ask the ancient Egyptians, who thought theyd BE back, by now!
Jesus is not just a person Mikado. Not here to get u to believe. It's what's in your mind, your soul, your heart. Jesus is special.

Not a person? Oh sorry, i could have sworn he was.

Jesus died something like 2000 years ago, people die, they dont come back, just ask the ancient Egyptians, who thought theyd BE back, by now!
to put it in a way that will probably make it sound silly.. he's magical. he's not just a regular human. he's the son of god. he can do anything. and yes he died 2000 years ago but he was resurrected shortly afterwards, and if i'm correct he's still alive and in heaven right now until the second coming, whenever that will be.

Sorry, but i dont believe that, and i never will.

Jesus died something like 2000 years ago, people die, they dont come back, just ask the ancient Egyptians, who thought theyd BE back, by now!


How do you know if they came back or not? Honestly, who would know that? :confused:

Politics and Religion...i will back down on politics, but never on my religion. I don't like to argue when it comes to religion. Two topics I cannot talk with people abt because it can get too heated and too ugly. Threads like these can do more harm as far as causing friction or something worse, like name-calling.