View Full Version : These are the numbers that prove the Season 5 DVD Cover makes no sense at all


TVFactFan
08-25-2005, 10:50 AM
Chrissy-seen in 1 episode in season 5

Cindy-seen in 17 episodes in season 5



Also Lana was only seen in 11 eps in season 4 and was on the season 4 DVD front cover. Doesn;t make much sense to me why Jenilee harrison is not on the Cover. I wonder is it because there were never any ABC Photos with Jenilee, John and Joyce? That's my only guest

Brian Damage
08-25-2005, 10:56 AM
Jennilee Harrison was treated like an ugly step child on the show. LOL

Chain Gang Member
08-25-2005, 10:59 AM
Jennilee Harrison was treated like an ugly step child on the show. LOL
and she wasn't
Chrissy-seen in 1 episode in season 5
Actually Chrissy was in many tag scenes where she was on the phone calling from Fresno

TVFactFan
08-25-2005, 11:21 AM
and she wasn't

Actually Chrissy was in many tag scenes where she was on the phone calling from Fresno


Well she should be on the back of the DVD box. Is jenliee atleast on the back?-lol

Chain Gang Member
08-25-2005, 12:18 PM
We shouldn't jump to conclusions until we open up the inside of the cover

TV DVD Fan
08-25-2005, 12:45 PM
Tags mean ****. Jenilee was in the bulk of the shows. I say AB should change the front cover.


pat

TVFactFan
08-25-2005, 12:58 PM
Tags mean ****. Jenilee was in the bulk of the shows. I say AB should change the front cover.


pat


But like I said maybe there were no ABC photos with jenilee and john and joyce. so maybe that's why.

TV DVD Fan
08-25-2005, 01:17 PM
I hope so.

pat

Pavan
08-25-2005, 01:31 PM
Still the case cover has not been released. Jenilee will probably be on that one. There was a photo with John, Joyce, Jenilee and Don Knotts I believe. I think it is in the Chris Mann book, but it is very rare, I've yet to see it online.

Suzanne is on the front cover because of good marketing. She was still in the opening credits for every episode and appeared in TWO full episodes (not 1). What difference does the front cover make anyway? As long as we get the full episodes. People were complaining that the photo was from season 4, but if anyone can prove me wrong, go ahead and find me a season 5 photo of John, Joyce and Suzanne. Because there is none!

Edster2973
08-28-2005, 06:00 PM
Still the case cover has not been released. Jenilee will probably be on that one. There was a photo with John, Joyce, Jenilee and Don Knotts I believe. I think it is in the Chris Mann book, but it is very rare, I've yet to see it online.

It would be nice for her to have some sort of acknowledgement of course, and to include a pic of her would be the best way to do it, but I don't think she should be on the front cover. She wasn't even a third-billed actress then. She was, at the time, seen as a TEMPORARY replacement for Suzanne Somers, who everyone thought would return to the show. Because of this, Cindy was seen as a TEMPORARY fill-in and her character wasn't given much depth. The show didn't bother to fully flesh out her character since Suzanne was definitely expected to return, as per the network's wishes.

Suzanne is on the front cover because of good marketing. She was still in the opening credits for every episode and appeared in TWO full episodes (not 1). What difference does the front cover make anyway? As long as we get the full episodes. People were complaining that the photo was from season 4, but if anyone can prove me wrong, go ahead and find me a season 5 photo of John, Joyce and Suzanne. Because there is none!

You're right about that. Plus, I think Suzanne SHOULD be on the cover simply because it will attract more buyers. If Jenilee were to be the prominent blonde on it, sales would most likely decline, and that could potentially lead Anchor Bay to think that interest in the show has declined as well, resulting in them not releasing Seasons 6-8, never mind the spin-offs.

I think the reason some people object to the cover is an attempt to show Jenilee some loyalty. She was totally innocent in the whole Suzanne fiasco but still ended up getting burned. Even with Suzanne being fired from the show and the controversy that ensued after it, she was still treated better than Jenilee was. I think the fans are sympathetic to that.

In some of the fans's eyes, including Jenilee on the cover is, in a small way, a way to 'right the wrong' that was done to the actress. But hey, she's over it. She has gone on record saying that she would've preferred to have stayed with the show for far longer than she did, but that was showbiz and she understood it wasn't anything personal. In the end she was grateful for the experience and for the exposure the show gave her.

The feelings toward Suzanne from some fans is anger, disappointment and resentment, especially since John Ritter's death. No matter how much some of us may claim to like Terri (or to even prefer Terri to Chrissy), the bottom line is, we all wish Suzanne hadn't done what she had done to the show. It hurt the show, it hurt the cast, it hurt everyone involved, including herself.

The thing that is so captivating about the whole thing is that, whether you like Suzanne or not, she was very good at playing the Chrissy character, almost to the point where one would expect that Suzanne and 'Chrissy' were one and the same. 'Chrissy', while being somewhat numb in the brain, was a sweetheart and it boggles the mind to envision her battling it out over money and leaving her "friends" high and dry. It's mindboggling to think that someone could be so convincing as an innocent, kindhearted soul on the show could, in real life, be all about getting the money she wants, even if it hurts other people in the process. The two images don't match, and I think that's why the story still lives on even to this day.

I personally tried to be diplomatic about Suzanne and her salary dispute. Suzanne wasn't the only one who messed things up. The producers did mean things to her as well, and they jerked around Audra Lindley & Norman Fell, Anne Wedgeworth, Jenilee Harrison, Priscilla Barnes, Richard Kline & Joyce DeWitt. And they made John Ritter lie to Joyce about the spin-off, which hurt Joyce deeply, causing a rift between the two, for a while at least. And John Ritter, for going along with the producers about the spin-off, is just as much to blame. He put business first before his friendship with Joyce. How could he or anyone expect Suzanne to have done any differently? Yes, I know Suzanne's selfishness was on a much bigger scale, but those are distinctions, not differences.

Aside from that, I'm turned off by Suzanne simply because she has refused to participate in any way in the Three's Company DVDs, even if it's to honor John's memory, unless she is paid mucho $$$. I think this goes beyond poor taste. And to think that, had she died from her bout with cancer a few years ago, John (as well as Joyce) would've honored her memory by emphasizing all of the GOOD times they had instead of focusing on the contract/salary dispute. And they would've done so without expecting any $$$ in return. Shame on you Suzanne!

Nevertheless, Suzanne belongs on the front cover. If it's the only way to ensure that DVD sales remain healthy, thereby guaranteeing more seasons to come, then put her on it. End of story!


Ed

Sean Snow
08-28-2005, 06:07 PM
Like others have pointed out, there aren't really any cast photos from the fifth season. There is one picture with the cast from season 5 in the Chris Mann book, but it doesn't look like a professionally done publicity photo like the ones that grace the season 3 and 4 DVD covers. Instead, it looks more like a photo they made on the set after taping an episode or something like that.

I think having Suzanne on the cover is a smart marketing move, as her image is more likely to sell DVDs than Jenilee's. And it's not as bad as what some other DVD companies have done - Joan Collins was (partially) on the Dynasty season 1 DVD cover (when she wasn't even on the show in season 1), and Robert Guilliame was on the Soap season 3 cover even though he only appeared in 2 or 3 episodes that season.

Jinxey
08-28-2005, 09:33 PM
People were complaining that the photo was from season 4, but if anyone can prove me wrong, go ahead and find me a season 5 photo of John, Joyce and Suzanne. Because there is none!

This is just a guess but.....
If you look at the 1st episode of Season 4 Jack on the Lam, Joyce Dewitt's new hairstyle was not really completely styled yet. Plus she looked a little heavier

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/2284/cap008web8xc.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

If you look at the last episode of season 4, she looks a little slimmer than the pic on the cover of Season 5.

Also, John Ritter hair was thicker, and a little highighted, in the beginning of Season 4, just like in the pic on the DVD cover. His hair was shorter and not highlighted towards the end of season 4 and the beginning of season 5.

Number 9 Dream
08-28-2005, 10:27 PM
Also, John Ritter hair was thicker, and a little highighted, in the beginning of Season 4, just like in the pic on the DVD cover. His hair was shorter and not highlighted towards the end of season 4 and the beginning of season 5.


Yeah, and his muscles were a little more defined and his body more tanned in the beginning of Season 4....but this just may be my humble observation ;) :grineyes:

Jinxey
08-29-2005, 02:10 AM
I think they should have used a snapshot for the DVD cover of John, Joyce and Suzanne from the two episodes they all appeared in, Upstairs, Downstairs, Downstairs and A Hundred Dollars A What?

At least it would have been more accurate.

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 09:50 AM
It would be nice for her to have some sort of acknowledgement of course, and to include a pic of her would be the best way to do it, but I don't think she should be on the front cover. She wasn't even a third-billed actress then. She was, at the time, seen as a TEMPORARY replacement for Suzanne Somers, who everyone thought would return to the show. Because of this, Cindy was seen as a TEMPORARY fill-in and her character wasn't given much depth. The show didn't bother to fully flesh out her character since Suzanne was definitely expected to return, as per the network's wishes.



You're right about that. Plus, I think Suzanne SHOULD be on the cover simply because it will attract more buyers. If Jenilee were to be the prominent blonde on it, sales would most likely decline, and that could potentially lead Anchor Bay to think that interest in the show has declined as well, resulting in them not releasing Seasons 6-8, never mind the spin-offs.

I think the reason some people object to the cover is an attempt to show Jenilee some loyalty. She was totally innocent in the whole Suzanne fiasco but still ended up getting burned. Even with Suzanne being fired from the show and the controversy that ensued after it, she was still treated better than Jenilee was. I think the fans are sympathetic to that.

In some of the fans's eyes, including Jenilee on the cover is, in a small way, a way to 'right the wrong' that was done to the actress. But hey, she's over it. She has gone on record saying that she would've preferred to have stayed with the show for far longer than she did, but that was showbiz and she understood it wasn't anything personal. In the end she was grateful for the experience and for the exposure the show gave her.

The feelings toward Suzanne from some fans is anger, disappointment and resentment, especially since John Ritter's death. No matter how much some of us may claim to like Terri (or to even prefer Terri to Chrissy), the bottom line is, we all wish Suzanne hadn't done what she had done to the show. It hurt the show, it hurt the cast, it hurt everyone involved, including herself.

The thing that is so captivating about the whole thing is that, whether you like Suzanne or not, she was very good at playing the Chrissy character, almost to the point where one would expect that Suzanne and 'Chrissy' were one and the same. 'Chrissy', while being somewhat numb in the brain, was a sweetheart and it boggles the mind to envision her battling it out over money and leaving her "friends" high and dry. It's mindboggling to think that someone could be so convincing as an innocent, kindhearted soul on the show could, in real life, be all about getting the money she wants, even if it hurts other people in the process. The two images don't match, and I think that's why the story still lives on even to this day.

I personally tried to be diplomatic about Suzanne and her salary dispute. Suzanne wasn't the only one who messed things up. The producers did mean things to her as well, and they jerked around Audra Lindley & Norman Fell, Anne Wedgeworth, Jenilee Harrison, Priscilla Barnes, Richard Kline & Joyce DeWitt. And they made John Ritter lie to Joyce about the spin-off, which hurt Joyce deeply, causing a rift between the two, for a while at least. And John Ritter, for going along with the producers about the spin-off, is just as much to blame. He put business first before his friendship with Joyce. How could he or anyone expect Suzanne to have done any differently? Yes, I know Suzanne's selfishness was on a much bigger scale, but those are distinctions, not differences.

Aside from that, I'm turned off by Suzanne simply because she has refused to participate in any way in the Three's Company DVDs, even if it's to honor John's memory, unless she is paid mucho $$$. I think this goes beyond poor taste. And to think that, had she died from her bout with cancer a few years ago, John (as well as Joyce) would've honored her memory by emphasizing all of the GOOD times they had instead of focusing on the contract/salary dispute. And they would've done so without expecting any $$$ in return. Shame on you Suzanne!

Nevertheless, Suzanne belongs on the front cover. If it's the only way to ensure that DVD sales remain healthy, thereby guaranteeing more seasons to come, then put her on it. End of story!


Ed



I find it very hard to believe that the sales would start dropping if suzanne wasn;t on the 5th season DVD cover, especially when the show has been selling so well up until this point. So are you trying to say Suzanne was the star of Three's Company?-lol I know that's not what you are saying ed

Edster2973
08-29-2005, 10:38 AM
I find it very hard to believe that the sales would start dropping if suzanne wasn;t on the 5th season DVD cover, especially when the show has been selling so well up until this point. So are you trying to say Suzanne was the star of Three's Company?-lol I know that's not what you are saying ed

No, not quite. Suzanne was definitely NOT the star of Three's Company, which is obvious during Seasons 6-8. But I remember even John Ritter saying that he wasn't sure if the show would survive without Suzanne. She wasn't the main star but she was definitely one of them. No matter how mad the world got at Suzanne, it still loved Chrissy.

Even now, non-die hard fans of the show regard the original trio as the best trio, and quite frankly, I agree. Don't get me wrong though. I love Priscilla Barnes and cannot wait until those episodes with her see release, and I even claim to be a fan of Jenilee Harrison's Cindy. But even the producers who have hated Suzanne all these years have admitted that something went out of the show when it lost Chrissy, and to some (admittedly not all, thankfully) fans that was enough to stop watching. To some in this day, it *may* be enough of a reason to not buy anymore.

I just think to capitalize on the original trio for as long as they can is the best way to go since it's the formula that has worked thus far, and it's the original trio that MOST of the fans prefer. Not everyone who bought Season sets of previous years will continue if it's not the cast that they prefer. A friend of mine, for example, loved the original trio and still watched when Terri came on, but to do that didn't cost her anything. But she has admitted that she didn't like the show as much without Chrissy and doesn't like the Terri years enough to merit her buying a set of it. :rolleyes: Go figure...

For us die-hards, we're aiming to buy anything and everything that will come out Three's Company related, but to the other fans who aren't die hards, they're divided as to what 'era' of the show they prefer, whether it be the 'Roper era', the 'Chrissy era', the 'Furley era', or the 'Terri era'.

And Solomon, since you're an expert on ratings and such, didn't the ratings drop quite a bit during Season 5? Overall, I think it may have been the show's weakest season rating wise. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, if the ratings could drop, sales could also. I don't think they definitely will, but I don't want to chance it. If they were to, Anchor Bay may end up pulling the plug on Seasons 6-8, and that's not something I want to happen. So keep Suzanne on the cover. She may not deserve to be there, but hey, after all her greed, we may as well use her for a change...

Ed

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 10:43 AM
No, not quite. Suzanne was definitely NOT the star of Three's Company, which is obvious during Seasons 6-8. But I remember even John Ritter saying that he wasn't sure if the show would survive without Suzanne. She wasn't the main star but she was definitely one of them. No matter how mad the world got at Suzanne, it still loved Chrissy.

Even now, non-die hard fans of the show regard the original trio as the best trio, and quite frankly, I agree. Don't get me wrong though. I love Priscilla Barnes and cannot wait until those episodes with her see release, and I even claim to be a fan of Jenilee Harrison's Cindy. But even the producers who have hated Suzanne all these years have admitted that something went out of the show when it lost Chrissy, and to some (admittedly not all, thankfully) fans that was enough to stop watching. To some in this day, it *may* be enough of a reason to not buy anymore.

I just think to capitalize on the original trio for as long as they can is the best way to go since it's the formula that has worked thus far, and it's the original trio that MOST of the fans prefer. Not everyone who bought Season sets of previous years will continue if it's not the cast that they prefer. A friend of mine, for example, loved the original trio and still watched when Terri came on, but to do that didn't cost her anything. But she has admitted that she didn't like the show as much without Chrissy and doesn't like the Terri years enough to merit her buying a set of it. :rolleyes: Go figure...

For us die-hards, we're aiming to buy anything and everything that will come out Three's Company related, but to the other fans who aren't die hards, they're divided as to what 'era' of the show they prefer, whether it be the 'Roper era', the 'Chrissy era', the 'Furley era', or the 'Terri era'.

And Solomon, since you're an expert on ratings and such, didn't the ratings drop quite a bit during Season 5? Overall, I think it may have been the show's weakest season rating wise. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Anyway, if the ratings could drop, sales could also. I don't think they definitely will, but I don't want to chance it. If they were to, Anchor Bay may end up pulling the plug on Seasons 6-8, and that's not something I want to happen. So keep Suzanne on the cover. She may not deserve to be there, but hey, after all her greed, we may as well use her for a change...

Ed



The show did dip a little in the Ratings but it may not be because of suzanne, it may just be the show that TC went up against during the 80-81 season. The same could have happend if suzanne was on the show depending what that competition was at the time.

Edster2973
08-29-2005, 10:49 AM
The show did dip a little in the Ratings but it may not be because of suzanne, it may just be the show that TC went up against during the 80-81 season. The same could have happend if suzanne was on the show depending what that competition was at the time.

Good point, and probably true. I remember John Ritter saying that the show even got ratings with Terri that it didn't get with Chrissy, so you're probably right. Or maybe the reason those eps with Terri got high ratings was because the competition that the show was up against may have been crap. Who knows?

Either way, Suzanne is on the cover and I think it's the smartest way to go. She doesn't deserve that honor, but if it'll help maintain sales, then I'm all for it.

Maybe for Season 6, they'll somehow feature, or at the very least make a mention, on the cover of the Lucille Ball retrospective so that die-hard fans of Lucy will want to buy that set. Lucy shouldn't be pictured on the cover as such, but a mention of her (maybe as a sticker promotion thingy) could help. I'm all for anything that will help sell many copies...

Ed

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 10:55 AM
Good point, and probably true. I remember John Ritter saying that the show even got ratings with Terri that it didn't get with Chrissy, so you're probably right. Or maybe the reason those eps with Terri got high ratings was because the competition that the show was up against may have been crap. Who knows?

Either way, Suzanne is on the cover and I think it's the smartest way to go. She doesn't deserve that honor, but if it'll help maintain sales, then I'm all for it.

Maybe for Season 6, they'll somehow feature, or at the very least make a mention, on the cover of the Lucille Ball retrospective so that die-hard fans of Lucy will want to buy that set. Lucy shouldn't be pictured on the cover as such, but a mention of her (maybe as a sticker promotion thingy) could help. I'm all for anything that will help sell many copies...

Ed



I hate that Lucille Ball Retrospective, I Hate it, I REALLY REALLY HATE IT-lol

Edster2973
08-29-2005, 11:23 AM
I hate that Lucille Ball Retrospective, I Hate it, I REALLY REALLY HATE IT-lol

Come on Solomon, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back... lol.

Not sure why you hate it. I enjoyed the thing myself but I haven't seen the thing in over 15 years.

But I hope you're not missing the point of my mentioning it. To advertise that the 6th Season will have the special by Lucille Ball could bring die-hard Lucy fans (who aren't fans of Three's Company0 to buy the DVD set. There were some who did the same with Don Knotts. I remember reading that Don Knotts fans who didn't buy Seasons 1-3 of Three's Company bought Season 4 simply because it had Don Knotts and they were Don Knotts fans. Hey, whatever works, right?

Hope you see my point bud!

Ed

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 11:25 AM
Come on Solomon, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back... lol.

Not sure why you hate it. I enjoyed the thing myself but I haven't seen the thing in over 15 years.

But I hope you're not missing the point of my mentioning it. To advertise that the 6th Season will have the special by Lucille Ball could bring die-hard Lucy fans (who aren't fans of Three's Company0 to buy the DVD set. There were some who did the same with Don Knotts. I remember reading that Don Knotts fans who didn't buy Seasons 1-3 of Three's Company bought Season 4 simply because it had Don Knotts and they were Don Knotts fans. Hey, whatever works, right?

Hope you see my point bud!



I just don't understand why that retrospective is in syndication. Very boring and confusing to new fans of TC

Ed

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 11:27 AM
Come on Solomon, tell us how you really feel. Don't hold back... lol.

Not sure why you hate it. I enjoyed the thing myself but I haven't seen the thing in over 15 years.

But I hope you're not missing the point of my mentioning it. To advertise that the 6th Season will have the special by Lucille Ball could bring die-hard Lucy fans (who aren't fans of Three's Company0 to buy the DVD set. There were some who did the same with Don Knotts. I remember reading that Don Knotts fans who didn't buy Seasons 1-3 of Three's Company bought Season 4 simply because it had Don Knotts and they were Don Knotts fans. Hey, whatever works, right?

Hope you see my point bud!

Ed



I just don;t understand why the Lucille Ball Retrospective is in syndication, it's very DRY and extremely confusing to New fans of Three;s company

Jinxey
08-29-2005, 12:00 PM
I just don;t understand why the Lucille Ball Retrospective is in syndication, it's very DRY and extremely confusing to New fans of Three;s company

How so???

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/48/3v7pk.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

LOL!!!

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 12:12 PM
How so???

http://img230.imageshack.us/img230/48/3v7pk.jpg (http://imageshack.us/)

LOL!!!



Because there were certain scenes on the retrospective that i never saw when watching TC eps until i was introduced to the UNCUT versions. Like the scene when Jack spills soda on Janet's lap, i was like-"I don;t remember seeing that"-lol

Edster2973
08-29-2005, 12:37 PM
Because there were certain scenes on the retrospective that i never saw when watching TC eps until i was introduced to the UNCUT versions. Like the scene when Jack spills soda on Janet's lap, i was like-"I don;t remember seeing that"-lol

Yeah, I remember something along those lines, but again, the general public doesn't memorize certain scenes that us die-hards do. We're certainly a rare breed... lol.

Ed

Jinxey
08-29-2005, 02:59 PM
Because there were certain scenes on the retrospective that i never saw when watching TC eps until i was introduced to the UNCUT versions. Like the scene when Jack spills soda on Janet's lap, i was like-"I don;t remember seeing that"-lol


Don't forget the scene in The Bake Off where Mr. and Mrs. Roper both hit Jack in the face with a pie. I didn't see that tag scene in it's entirety until Nick at Nite starting running Three's Company.

TVFactFan
08-29-2005, 03:09 PM
Don't forget the scene in The Bake Off where Mr. and Mrs. Roper both hit Jack in the face with a pie. I didn't see that tag scene in it's entirety until Nick at Nite starting running Three's Company.


Yeah in my case, i always watched TC on my local station which is different from reruns on N@N so I was introduced to a lot of new things when N@N picked up the show in 2000

Care Bear
09-04-2005, 02:29 PM
I never really gave much thought to the cover, but I'm pretty sure they'll have Jenilee somewhere.

JT
09-05-2005, 03:18 AM
Chrissy-seen in 1 episode in season 5

Cindy-seen in 17 episodes in season 5



Also Lana was only seen in 11 eps in season 4 and was on the season 4 DVD front cover. Doesn;t make much sense to me why Jenilee harrison is not on the Cover. I wonder is it because there were never any ABC Photos with Jenilee, John and Joyce? That's my only guest
I think it was good of them to put Lana on the front. She was only in 11 episodes, but people do seem to remember her in passing...