He grew Up in the Projects himself and probably preferred to see Blacks in a better Financial situation on TV instead of the typical negative portrayal at the time Good Times premeired. I also heard that he hated when this show and Sanford and Son, and Jeffersons used the word N**ger. My mom told me Bill keep his kids away from Good Times when they growing up so they never seen the show until they were adults. Notice how the Cosby Show was the complete Opposite of Good Times

Excellent point Solomon. Fat Albert had alot of "jive" talking kids in it. Some he even voiced himself.

He grew Up in the Projects himself and probably preferred to see Blacks in a better Financial situation on TV instead of the typical negative portrayal at the time Good Times premeired. I also heard that he hated when this show and Sanford and Son, and Jeffersons used the word N**ger. My mom told me Bill keep his kids away from Good Times when they growing up so they never seen the show until they were adults. But wasn't Fat Albert somewhat of a negative portrayal of Blacks too like he felt Good Times was in 74?

IMO Bill Cosby wanted the world to see the other side of life for blacks as well. I won't agree with his choice, if that's a fact, of not allowing his children to watch Good Times etc..., but that was his choice for whatever his reasons. It is what it is and it was what it was. Some people are haunted/ashamed to a degree by there past even when they somewhat rise above it. Or the reminders are emotional for them. That's like my father hated and did not want chipped beef in the house. Why, because it was a reminder of how many times they had to eat it growing up. I wouldn't say Fat Albert was negative, it was reality. Kids used more imagination then than they do now. Dr. Phil did a show on how Fat Albert is a good show for children to watch.

I have to agree with Mr. Cosby there. Maybe its the way I've been conditioned (which is GOOD), but I cannot stand hearing the "N" word used by ANY race - whether it's white or blacks themselves. I'll use white trash, but to me, it still doesn't have the same connotation to it. If they're wanting to bring down barriers, I wish it would stop being used as it is (in movies where one black will say it to another).

And it would have been nice to see a middle class or upper class black family portrayed in the 70s like they have been since.

Excellent point Solomon. Fat Albert had alot of "jive" talking kids in it. Some he even voiced himself.


I never liked Fat Albert. But Bill did had some nerve-lol And I couldn;t understand why he didn't like the Jeffersons but I was able to see that it probably had to do with George being prejudice against Whites and Poor Blacks

I have to agree with Mr. Cosby there. Maybe its the way I've been conditioned (which is GOOD), but I cannot stand hearing the "N" word used by ANY race - whether it's white or blacks themselves. I'll use white trash, but to me, it still doesn't have the same connotation to it. If they're wanting to bring down barriers, I wish it would stop being used as it is (in movies where one black will say it to another).

And it would have been nice to see a middle class or upper class black family portrayed in the 70s like they have been since.

The "N" word being so loosely used is a travesty. It is a variant of Negro but became a hostile epithet because of its use among whites as a display of racial hatred. Some have suggested that the epithet as a description of an ignorant person of any color. On the other hand white trash is an epithet that has not changed from it's original meaning which is the difference.

In movies, comedy, songs etc....they are using in most cases the "N" word as a variant.

Many people are uncomfortable and even angered by the word and if the word only had a history as a variant and not as an epithet, maybe that feeling wouldn't exist.

It would probably be best if the word no longer exist, maybe one day it will be extinct. :)

It would probably be best if the word no longer exist, maybe one day it will be extinct. :)

Not as long as Quentin Tarantino is making movies. ;)

Not as long as Quentin Tarantino is making movies. ;)

Well, maybe after he dies. :lol:

Really, Dr. Phil did a show on Fat Albert? What was said I am curious???

I'm surprised Dr. Phil didn't give Fat Albert some of his weight loss bars. I don't like Dr. Phil. He is such a know it all. I also never cared about Fat Albert. I also hated that Brown Hornet cartoon that was on there too.

Brown Hornet....I totally forgot about that cartoon.

Really, Dr. Phil did a show on Fat Albert? What was said I am curious???

It's been awhile, during the time the Fat Albert Movie came out. He had some of the cast members and Bill Cosby on the show. In the audience were alot of kids who in one way or another related to one or more of the kids from the show. At the end of the program Dr. Phil and Bill gave out scholarships so that these kids could attend college. If I can recall, I think the kids were also accompanied by their parents. There were quite a few kids I think at least 10 if not more.

I'm surprised Dr. Phil didn't give Fat Albert some of his weight loss bars. I don't like Dr. Phil. He is such a know it all. I also never cared about Fat Albert. I also hated that Brown Hornet cartoon that was on there too.

I like Dr. Phil, but I think it's a bit twisted that a heavy guy like him had a best-selling weight loss book. I'm heavy myself and I would think twice before buying Dr. Phil's book. ;)

Brown Hornet....I totally forgot about that cartoon.



The Brown Hornet was a spin-off of Fat Albert...wait, let's not go through that spin-off thing again! :)

I like the way Dr. Phil looks. I hate skinny men. I like it when a man has meat on him, just like Dr. Phil. I dated a man once, he was thin. Man oh man, it was like hugging JJ Evans. Yuck!!!!

I like the way Dr. Phil looks. I hate skinny men. I like it when a man has meat on him, just like Dr. Phil. I dated a man once, he was thin. Man oh man, it was like hugging JJ Evans. Yuck!!!!


I didn't think it was humanly possible for anybody else to be thin like J.J. Evans! :lol:

I didn't think it was humanly possible for anybody else to be thin like J.J. Evans! :lol:
LOL :) you're right..this guy didn't look as skinny as JJ, no where was he as skinny as JJ, but he felt as skinny as him. :eek:

He grew Up in the Projects himself and probably preferred to see Blacks in a better Financial situation on TV instead of the typical negative portrayal at the time Good Times premeired. I also heard that he hated when this show and Sanford and Son, and Jeffersons used the word N**ger. My mom told me Bill keep his kids away from Good Times when they growing up so they never seen the show until they were adults. Notice how the Cosby Show was the complete Opposite of Good Times
I did like the Cosby Show alot. I have some issues with it, just like any other show. I also loved the spin-off "Different World". I especially liked it when Lisa Bonet was taken off. It was much better to enjoy. I especially love the episodes when Jada Pinkett appeared.

I like Dr. Phil, but I think it's a bit twisted that a heavy guy like him had a best-selling weight loss book. I'm heavy myself and I would think twice before buying Dr. Phil's book. ;)


Dr. Phil is a big man. His weight looks good on him. I think he's about 6'4 and he has a large frame/bone structure.

He discussed on Larry King once how obesity runs in his family which is why he promotes weight loss for health reasons. If I can remember, I think his father died from health complications as a result of his being overweight.

I think Dr. Phil is healthily proportioned. I can only watch his show sometimes. I will never understand how people can go on live tv and discuss their problems. Maybe because they are getting free treatment.

Well, maybe after he dies. :lol:


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Yeah, I did know that it's been changed over the decades. Funny, my mother used the term Negro basically all her life and I know it is considered a proper term, but because of the other connection, I still didn't like it much. Heck - I'm not even thrilled with "caucasian" - just isn't a pleasant word to my ears. I'd prefer "Pigmently Challenged". :lol:

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Yeah, I did know that it's been changed over the decades. Funny, my mother used the term Negro basically all her life and I know it is considered a proper term, but because of the other connection, I still didn't like it much. Heck - I'm not even thrilled with "caucasian" - just isn't a pleasant word to my ears. I'd prefer "Pigmently Challenged". :lol: :rotflmao:
OMG pigmently challenged. I got to remember that one :D

By the way, a man like Bill Cosy has no right to speak abt anything when he has committed wrongs against his beautiful wife. Isn't cheating a thing that can be considered something that only happens on shows like the ones he dislikes??? I am being sarcastic people, don't get on my case please. Just trying to point out something abt a person who has no right pointing out what he considers bad or good.

Bill Cosby wants sitcoms only featuring prominent Black chareceters as good role models.

Bill Cosby wants sitcoms only featuring prominent Black chareceters as good role models.


He just didn't have a problem with Good Times, it was the Jeffersons too. You know the show with a succcessful Black Businessman.

The jeffersons too????!!!! Shoot, what the hell is wrong with that Bill Cosby? Doesn't he know that people live different lifestyles, have financial woes, some people live well while others live middle class. What a jerk he is. I am only referencing him that way due to his stance on "Black television, movies, etc.". Oh yeah, and he is a jerk anyways for cheating on his beautiful wife!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL

The jeffersons too????!!!! Shoot, what the hell is wrong with that Bill Cosby? Doesn't he know that people live different lifestyles, have financial woes, some people live well while others live middle class. What a jerk he is. I am only referencing him that way due to his stance on "Black television, movies, etc.". Oh yeah, and he is a jerk anyways for cheating on his beautiful wife!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL



I think it all had to do with the Prejudices of George Jefferson and use of the N-Word

Maybe Bill wasn't offered a show by Norman:)

Maybe Bill wasn't offered a show by Norman:)I see that as a valid point. Bill had tried unsuccessfully to do a black sitcom and perhaps he resented the fact that his show didn't break the ground for black sitcoms.

If you think about it, Bill Cosby was all wrong: Despite the fact that he got laid off in nearly every episode, James Evans never resorted to dealing drugs, becoming an alcoholic or abusing his family. Sure, he got frustrated - who wouldn't - but he always took the high road and managed to get through the hard times.

I think that's a good example of a man who didn't let his circumstances bring him down. Was James Evans perfect?? No. But he did the best he could and I think provided a fine example for his kids.

If you think about it, Bill Cosby was all wrong: Despite the fact that he got laid off in nearly every episode, James Evans never resorted to dealing drugs, becoming an alcoholic or abusing his family. Sure, he got frustrated - who wouldn't - but he always took the high road and managed to get through the hard times.

I think that's a good example of a man who didn't let his circumstances bring him down. Was James Evans perfect?? No. But he did the best he could and I think provided a fine example for his kids.
EXACTLY!!!!! Well put!!! There is the right way to do things and the wrong way. Bill Cosby, from what I have seen, read or heard, gives the impression that it's wrong to show "the other side". That is the reality of life. Not everyone will become a doctor or lawyer. Some will be hard-working stiffs with 2-3 part-time jobs and never resort to "finding things" or drug dealing, or anything else that may be illegal or dishonest. James hated the welfare system. That should be a fine example in Mr. Cosby's eyes that here is an example of a father WHO IS WITH HIS WIFE AND FAMILY. Not a man living with a woman who has kids with 2 or 3 different guys that don't pay child support living off of welfare. George Jefferson is a fine example of a man (regardless of his color/race) who lived better than the Evans', but had the drive to want more and better and who succeeded. So what if George used a few words. It was a character who epitomized alot of people. People use the words that the character George used. But he was more than that. I loved the Jeffersons and Good Times. It showed us two examples of two different families striving for the same thing.

Excellent point. I wish we had more characters like that on TV today. Those who are NOT perfect, but striving for something better. In a way, we've gotten dumbed down again, having characters that are either totally bad or completely straight and narrow. Characters like Archie Bunker, George Jefferson, Fred Sanford, and James Evans were NOT perfect characters. They had their flaws, their prejudices, and could be unbearable, but in the end they cared for their loved ones and did what they had to do. All that, AND they kept us entertained and laughing. Pretty amazing characters.

Excellent point. I wish we had more characters like that on TV today. Those who are NOT perfect, but striving for something better. In a way, we've gotten dumbed down again, having characters that are either totally bad or completely straight and narrow. Characters like Archie Bunker, George Jefferson, Fred Sanford, and James Evans were NOT perfect characters. They had their flaws, their prejudices, and could be unbearable, but in the end they cared for their loved ones and did what they had to do. All that, AND they kept us entertained and laughing. Pretty amazing characters.
Exactly. Can you imagine those characters being put on the air today? Everything must be politically correct. I hate that. There is an episode of Roseanne where Roseanne uses the word "whore" and it was bleeped out on a certain t.v. station in syndication. I could not believe that!!!! Archie, George, Good Times opened doors to the reality of alot of things in this country. We can't pretend that all families are perfect, no one smokes, no one uses profanity, no one uses derogatory remarks. Just like this forum. We all have different opinions and we respect those differences without getting upset. Well, except for those few posters who feel they can infringe their opinions abt matters that do not even exist.

Well that's kinda hard for me to believe since in the 70's Cosby played a hustler in about 2 or 3 movies along with Sidney Poitier and he did a movie with Jimmie Walker also. But I guess as you get older your views change. But that sounds a little hypocritical to me. If he didn't let his kids watch Good Times, I wonder if he let his kids watch his movies?

There's a bit of grand irony in another aspect of this discussion: John Amos complained publicly that the J.J. character was a negative stereotype and/or a questionable role model for young blacks. As a result of his speaking out so strongly, he was fired from the show.

And as a result of Amos's firing, the Evans family was deprived of their father and a positive role model!! It's kind of like John Amos shot himself in the foot and did irreparable damage to the show.

Well even if he disliked Sanford and Son, Good Time and The Jeffersons, I'm sure Mr. Cosby would give credit to those shows for opening the door for The Cosby Show if he hasn't already.

I see that as a valid point. Bill had tried unsuccessfully to do a black sitcom and perhaps he resented the fact that his show didn't break the ground for black sitcoms.



I remember Bill had a Tv series of his own in 1970 after I spy which he portayed a teacher/ coach and a sitcom back around 1976 ... does anyone remember the title and how long the series ran if even a season? I thought he got along with John Amos and Jimmy walker..they made a movie together in 1976 .

I remember Bill had a Tv series of his own in 1970 after I spy which he portayed a teacher/ coach and a sitcom back around 1976 ... does anyone remember the title and how long the series ran if even a season?


Found the following info at:

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/C/htmlC/cosbyshowt/cosbyshowt.htm

Here's a quote from the web site...

"...After co-starring in the hit series I Spy (1965-68), Cosby appeared in a string ratings failures: The Bill Cosby Show (1969), The New Bill Cosby Show (1972), and Cos (1976)..."


It seems to me that the Bill Cosby Show (1969) ran for two seasons... I remember when he got his other two shows, but I don't remember anything about them...

"Cos" (1976) may have been a variety show, but I'm not positive on that...

I don't think the New B.C. Show or Cos lasted more than a year, if that long...

Found the following info at:

http://www.museum.tv/archives/etv/C/htmlC/cosbyshowt/cosbyshowt.htm

Here's a quote from the web site...

"...After co-starring in the hit series I Spy (1965-68), Cosby appeared in a string ratings failures: The Bill Cosby Show (1969), The New Bill Cosby Show (1972), and Cos (1976)..."


It seems to me that the Bill Cosby Show (1969) ran for two seasons... I remember when he got his other two shows, but I don't remember anything about them...

"Cos" (1976) may have been a variety show, but I'm not positive on that...

I don't think the New B.C. Show or Cos lasted more than a year, if that long...




The New Bill cosby show lasted ONE YEAR and Cos lasted 13 WEEKS. Here is another interesting fact, the guy who played MAD DOG on Good Times was starred on the New Bill Cosby Show in 1972

Thanks Tweety and Retro :) interesting tidbit about the actor that played Mad Dog.

I still find it hypocritical that he disliked Good Times so much, for what reason other then James using the "N" word a couple times. Yet he played a hustler in 3 movies in the 70's around the same time Good Times was airing.

LOL, Bill Cosby used to be a bad-a@@ when he first started out. :lol:

I think Bill Cosby tries to be a good role model for the kids but I think when he speaks out on morals and behavior especially with today's youth he should come clean about his alleged past with taking drugs and indiscretions and from there talk about how he has turned things around to inspire others..As for Television I think Dr Cosby prefers Tv shows where you don't have to rely on shock value for tv entertainment which I understand is a foreign idea for some. :cool:

I think Bill Cosby tries to be a good role model for the kids but I think when he speaks out on morals and behavior especially with today's youth he should come clean about his alleged past with taking drugs and indiscretions and from there talk about how he has turned things around to inspire others..As for Television I think Dr Cosby prefers Tv shows where you don't have to rely on shock value for tv entertainment which I understand is a foreign idea for some. :cool:
Shock value??? What is shocking about Good Times? Jeffersons? those are shows he has condemned. The only shocking things about those shows are things that no one believed existed. That's the shock. What is shocking, in my view, and I said it before, is his cheating on his lovely wife. I would rather my children watch the Jeffersons and Good Times then listen to a man blast at t.v. which is there for pure entertainment. If Mr. Cosby would go on t.v. and talk about how cheating on your spouse can ruin a marriage, I would applaud him. But until then, he should get off that pedestal of his and let someone who doesn't judge others, practice what he/she preaches.

Relax LOL I was mostly referring to more present time shows...When did he single out certain shows like Good times? just curious cause I know he was in a movie with John Amos and Jimmy Walker while Good Times was airing .