this time Paramount's inability to fork over music rights not only screws over Happy Days season 2, but also future Laverne And Shirley and Mork And Mindy DVD's (because Paramount has obviously never looked at Sony's handling of the Norman Lear titles, where Good Times has more DVD's out than All In The Family, while Maude has zero out, even tho GT is the spinoff of a spinoff of AITF)

I read this on Home Theater Forum from a poster who has Paramount connections

So I talked to my friend. It appears future releases for these series have been cancelled because of music rights issues. Apparently "Happy Days" season 2 would cost several million in music rights alone. Whether or not they decide to release them with replaced music is unknown, but as of right now... they're dead in the water.

This sucks. What the **** is wrong with them?


pat

This sucks. What the **** is wrong with them?


pat


What's wrong with who?

Paramount? If someone is asking them for more money than would be profitable for them in order to include music on the dvd, why blame Paramount?

The music rights holders? They're looking to make money, that's part of the business.

What's wrong with who?

Paramount? If someone is asking them for more money than would be profitable for them in order to include music on the dvd, why blame Paramount?

The music rights holders? They're looking to make money, that's part of the business.

well, the part I don't get is why Paramount can't just carry on with L&S and M&M just because Happy Days is too expensive to carry on. I actually like Mork And Mindy more than Happy Days personally and while I'd love to see a HD season 2 and would buy it, I'd want M&M season 2 even more.

I've read in alot of places, and I think you said this at the Charmed board too, that the reason season 2 of Charmed was delayed for 8 months was because of Paramount having a problem with music rights or something.

I've read in alot of places, and I think you said this at the Charmed board too, that the reason season 2 of Charmed was delayed for 8 months was because of Paramount having a problem with music rights or something.

now with seasons 2 and 3 of Charmed I'm curious to see what happens with the P3 performances, I know The Cranberries performed a song in season 2 and Barenaked Ladies were in season 3, and there's an episode in season 5 that not only had Pat Benatar performing, but also had her acting in it and the fact she was going to perform at P3 as part of the plot.

I think Paramount will do it well though, because there were lots of "period hit music" in season 1 that was retained, most notably Natalie Imbruglia's Torn being played at the beginning of an episode. I know other WB shows from the era like Dawson (where EVERYTHING was replaced), Roswell (but some "key" songs by the likes of Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews and a few others, and retains the Dido theme song) and Popular (where most music was replaced but somehow Buena Vista retained usage of several Madonna tracks used over the two seasons) had to deal with a lot of missing music (or in Dawson's case, all missing music) on DVD because many of the WB shows use current music in the background and the sort that five years later really isn't as needed a lot of the time as it was just in the background to sell albums. Buffy had a few major copyrighted songs but they all made it to the DVD's (Cher's Believe in season 4, Sarah McLachlan in season 2 and season 6, Michelle Branch in season 6, Cibo Matto in season 2, etc...) but it never used period music by the bulk the way that the other shows have.

now with seasons 2 and 3 of Charmed I'm curious to see what happens with the P3 performances, I know The Cranberries performed a song in season 2 and Barenaked Ladies were in season 3, and there's an episode in season 5 that not only had Pat Benatar performing, but also had her acting in it and the fact she was going to perform at P3 as part of the plot.

I think Paramount will do it well though, because there were lots of "period hit music" in season 1 that was retained, most notably Natalie Imbruglia's Torn being played at the beginning of an episode. I know other WB shows from the era like Dawson (where EVERYTHING was replaced), Roswell (but some "key" songs by the likes of Sheryl Crow, Dave Matthews and a few others, and retains the Dido theme song) and Popular (where most music was replaced but somehow Buena Vista retained usage of several Madonna tracks used over the two seasons) had to deal with a lot of missing music (or in Dawson's case, all missing music) on DVD because many of the WB shows use current music in the background and the sort that five years later really isn't as needed a lot of the time as it was just in the background to sell albums. Buffy had a few major copyrighted songs but they all made it to the DVD's (Cher's Believe in season 4, Sarah McLachlan in season 2 and season 6, Michelle Branch in season 6, Cibo Matto in season 2, etc...) but it never used period music by the bulk the way that the other shows have.
yeah, I'd be pretty sure that they would keep them in the show. I remember hearing Torn by Natalie Imbruglia in I think 2 episodes of season 1, it was on once at the beginning of the episode and it was being played in the background in Quake, so perhaps it wasn't the original song playing and Paramount couldn't get the rights....

I think with Happy Days, Paramount should see how much $$$ is needed for music for seasons 2-11 and then divide the sum of it by 10. Season 2 was single-camera, the early episodes had a lot more expensive copyrighted music to it, while there were exceptions in the "live" seasons (3-11), the great majority of the songs in those seasons were Potsie original songs. I am sure if Paramount calculated the $3-4 million it takes to clear season 2 and then the super-low prices seasons 3-11 would cost and divide it by 10, they'd probably see that it would pay off in the long run because once the show went before a live audience, there was far far less period 50's music used.

It's not like The Wonder Years or WKRP where every season would be just as expensive as the prior.

Or hell, can't Paramount and Shout!Factory maybe go in half and half and split the rights to Happy Days season 2?

yeah, I'd be pretty sure that they would keep them in the show. I remember hearing Torn by Natalie Imbruglia in I think 2 episodes of season 1, it was on once at the beginning of the episode and it was being played in the background in Quake, so perhaps it wasn't the original song playing and Paramount couldn't get the rights....

the version on the season 1 DVD was definately the Natalie Imbruglia version

well, the part I don't get is why Paramount can't just carry on with L&S and M&M just because Happy Days is too expensive to carry on. I actually like Mork And Mindy more than Happy Days personally and while I'd love to see a HD season 2 and would buy it, I'd want M&M season 2 even more.

Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley I expected problems, but I don't remember much music in Mork & Mindy. Maybe I'm wrong. All I know is that I want more Mork & Mindy DVD's! I don't care if they have to replace music, all I care about are the episodes themselves.

the version on the season 1 DVD was definately the Natalie Imbruglia version
I worded what I said earlier wrong :lol: I meant that maybe they put in Torn because they couldn't get the rights to a song that may have originally been there.

Happy Days and Laverne & Shirley I expected problems, but I don't remember much music in Mork & Mindy. Maybe I'm wrong. All I know is that I want more Mork & Mindy DVD's! I don't care if they have to replace music, all I care about are the episodes themselves.

right, considering TV Land is back to Happy Days season 1, season 2 will be starting in 2-3 weeks. Mork And Mindy hasn't aired regularly in YEARS.

I'm surprised how they were able to keep all the album cover likenesses (like Fleetwood Mac, Linda Ronstadt, The Cars, ABBA, etc...) in the season 1 DVD. I know there's a part where a customer is holding a copy of Fleetwood Mac's Rumours and going "I am getting into Fleetwood Mac, is this a good album of theirs?" to Mindy.

It's interesting that the rights to the vintage songs used on Happy Days (50's music) are still very expensive.

Mork And Mindy hasn't aired regularly in YEARS.

My local WGN station used to air reruns of M&M when I was in 8th - 10th grades. Some good watchin' there. :)

It's interesting that the rights to the vintage songs used on Happy Days (50's music) are still very expensive.
thats what i have been thinking - getting the dvds out with the original music would help promote music that hasn't been popular in decades - hasn't been popular in fact, since Happy Days helped bring in a nostalgic trend in the 70's....

couldn't they make a cross-promotion deal; put coupons in the sets for $$$ off of cd's by the artists featured in each season?

i also think that Paramount should release the NAMES of these holdout artists so we can start a massive online boycott and all-around public humiliation-fest :)

thats what i have been thinking - getting the dvds out with the original music would help promote music that hasn't been popular in decades - hasn't been popular in fact, since Happy Days helped bring in a nostalgic trend in the 70's....

couldn't they make a cross-promotion deal; put coupons in the sets for $$$ off of cd's by the artists featured in each season?

i also think that Paramount should release the NAMES of these holdout artists so we can start a massive online boycott and all-around public humiliation-fest :)

actually, it's not a holdout, it's Paramount being too cheap to go and pay for the rights for season 2, even tho I'm sure the music rights for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 combined probably is less than season 2 because season 2 will turn unprofitable, but for the love of God, they'll recoup it with future seasons because I highly doubt that Anson Williams' lame recordings (is it me or was he whiter than Pat Boone?) are worth more than pocket change.

Paramount: "Anson, how much do you want for Pumps Your Blood to be used on the season 6 DVD?"
Anson Williams: "how much are you offering?"
Paramount: "how about a quarter?"
Anson Williams: "sounds good to me"

actually, it's not a holdout, it's Paramount being too cheap to go and pay for the rights for season 2

If this is true

Apparently "Happy Days" season 2 would cost several million in music rights alone.

I don't blame Paramount at all.


season 2 will turn unprofitable, but for the love of God, they'll recoup it with future seasons

Not necessarily, if they're aware of the general feeling among what seems like a majority of fans that the longer the show went, the worse it got. They may not be so high on prospects for later seasons to begin with. If they feel they're going to lose money on a multi-million dollar season 2 investment, I can't blame them for not bothering.

i love happy days and want more than anything to see the dvd release of seasons2-11 but paramount is a bunch of hard asses if they can,t make the money they spend on the restoration package(music,DIG REMASTERING ETC.)
THEY DON'T WANT TO DO IT.season 1 didn't do what they expected so now
they are being cheap about further releases.however the did no promotion,no advertising really on season 1 so what can they expect,when the happy days reunion aired in feb that would have been an excellent time to advertise season 1 on dvd.but they declined to do that.the big kick in the butt is the latter seasons have less music does this mean now this is a dead in the water
issue also?

Not necessarily, if they're aware of the general feeling among what seems like a majority of fans that the longer the show went, the worse it got. They may not be so high on prospects for later seasons to begin with. If they feel they're going to lose money on a multi-million dollar season 2 investment, I can't blame them for not bothering.

well, I'd say a great deal of HD fans will at least go up to season 7, which was the last year with Ron Howard and Donny Most, and I know many HD fans who still like the Roger/Jenny/Flip/KC episodes and would buy those seasons too. There are many people who would stop with season 2 because the one-camera episodes are (IMO) widely considered the best, but there are probably more Fonzie fanatics who prefer the studio audience "Fonzie Show" episodes to the single-camera episodes where Richie was the star and The Fonz was just a secondary character.

You guys don't know Paramount, they are EL-CHEAPOS when it comes to releasing films or T.V. shows on DVD. They have a habit of not wanting to spend and this is apparent with alot of their releases. I know one series they have always had an affinity for was Star Trek hell it took us fans many years to even get them to consider giving us a decent boxset of Friday The 13th films.

Paramount: "Anson, how much do you want for Pumps Your Blood to be used on the season 6 DVD?"
Anson Williams: "how much are you offering?"
Paramount: "how about a quarter?"
Anson Williams: "sounds good to me"

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: You're too funny :)

actually, it's not a holdout, it's Paramount being too cheap to go and pay for the rights for season 2, even tho I'm sure the music rights for 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 and 11 combined probably is less than season 2 because season 2 will turn unprofitable, but for the love of God, they'll recoup it with future seasons because I highly doubt that Anson Williams' lame recordings (is it me or was he whiter than Pat Boone?) are worth more than pocket change.
it wouldn't really be as simple as just Paramount being too cheap would it though? - i mean Paramount would have to negotiate with the rights holders for each and every individual song that they want to put on there, and depending on who that is, they may be asking for ridiculous amounts - think Elvis and Chubby Checker (is he still asking $300 for an autograph, and $30 million to use the Twist in a commercial?)

there has to be a breaking point, and I can understand that Paramount needs to come to an agreeable figure that works for both sides; it all depends on how greedy those rights holders are compared to how much room for profit that leaves with each dvd set.

I would be OK with them leaving off the original music for only the totally unreasonable artists, if that's what it takes to get the series released.

I still think some sort of cross-promotion would be more beneficial to these artists, but of course Paramount has no idea what promotion is now do they? :rolleyes:

I'm just mad, period. This is the rest of the show, a show I, as we all, adore, and I just want them to finish off the show.


pat

i use to watch these shows all the time i don't really remember laverne & sherliey having a whole lot of music.i know mork and mindy didn't have any music.so what kind of excuse do they have for that.you know a lot of people love first seasons but many times they are not always the best episodes i think you have to get into knowing the characters before you can really enjoy a sitcom.the only thing i can think of is l&S season one and M&m season one didn't sell as well as paramount wanted them to either.so again people who want these shows are out of luck. paramount sucks

this time Paramount's inability to fork over music rights not only screws over Happy Days season 2, but also future Laverne And Shirley and Mork And Mindy DVD's (because Paramount has obviously never looked at Sony's handling of the Norman Lear titles, where Good Times has more DVD's out than All In The Family, while Maude has zero out, even tho GT is the spinoff of a spinoff of AITF)

I read this on Home Theater Forum from a poster who has Paramount connections
oh well, season 2 was when they turned it into "The Fonzie show" & then, halway through the season they added that awful, annoying live audience, so we're not missing anything, anyway.

oh well, season 2 was when they turned it into "The Fonzie show" & then, halway through the season they added that awful, annoying live audience, so we're not missing anything, anyway.

season 3 was "Fonzie Show". In season 2, it still has the nostalgic 1950's feel from season 1. There was one live audience episode that season, but it was very much a continuation of the first season. But starting in season 3, it became "The Fonzie Show", but season 2 was still a great series, and Fonzie was still a supporting, scene-stealing character, not yet the star.

i really hate to be the one to remind anyone this but in spite of how good season one and two of happy days was the show DID NOT become popular untill season 3 when FONZIE became a main character so call it the fonzie show if you like but season 3 -7 were the more memorable episodes of happy days

i really hate to be the one to remind anyone this but in spite of how good season one and two of happy days was the show DID NOT become popular untill season 3 when FONZIE became a main character so call it the fonzie show if you like but season 3 -7 were the more memorable episodes of happy days

most popular doesn't always equal best. The first two seasons of Happy Days were very strong and I believe it even had Emmy nominations in the early days. Afterwards, it was just enjoyable fluff. The show WAS top 20 during its first season, it wasn't the #1 hit it would eventually become, but it was hardly some obscure bomb in 1974. I think most critics would say the first two seasons of Happy Days were the best.

Designing Women was actually at it's most popular ratingswise AFTER Delta Burke left. Now how many DW fans do you know who actually thought the show was better with Julia Duffy than with Delta?

Designing Women did better sans Delta? I didn't know that. The viewers must've really hated her.

Designing Women did better sans Delta? I didn't know that. The viewers must've really hated her.

surprisingly yes. DW was tied at #10 in the 1990-1991 season, it's highest rated year with Delta. Yet it climbed to #6 in the 1991-1992 season after she left.

season 3 was "Fonzie Show". In season 2, it still has the nostalgic 1950's feel from season 1. There was one live audience episode that season, but it was very much a continuation of the first season. But starting in season 3, it became "The Fonzie Show", but season 2 was still a great series, and Fonzie was still a supporting, scene-stealing character, not yet the star.
whatever, I'm too tired now to get into an argument!

whatever, I'm too tired now to get into an argument!

what's to argue? The show went multi-camera and live in SEASON THREE. The Fonz moved upstairs from the Cunninghams in SEASON THREE. Henry Winkler went from like 6th bill to right behind Ron Howard in.... SEASON THREE.


Season 1 was a half-season that aired in the first part of 1974, it wasn't the 1974-1975 season (since you might see 1974 as the birth of the show and assume it premiered that fall). 1974-1975 was SEASON TWO. SEASON THREE began in 1975-1976.

Here is TV.com's description over the first episode of season 3.

Fonzie Moves In (episode #40) Summary Recap Trivia & Quotes Cast Reviews « Previous Episode | Next Episode »
Originally aired: Tuesday September 9, 1975 on ABC

Writer: Mark Rothman, Lowell Ganz
Director: Jerry Paris
Guest Stars: Lillian Bronson (Mrs. Nussbaum) , Susan Lawrence (Vivian) , Bob W. Hoffman (Skizzy)
Production Code: 60533-040


With Howard's hardware store about to face new competition, the Cunninghams decide they need to rent the room above their garage to generate extra income. Howard is shocked when Richie rents it to Fonzie.

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Episode Notes
Fonzie says that he hasn't seen his grandmother since he was six and that that's when he left the house. (Edit)


Season 3 Cast Opening Credits Sequence:
Ron Howard
Henry Winkler
Marion Ross
Anson Williams
Donny Most
Erin Moran
Tom Bosley (Edit)


Erin Moran is added to the opening credits beginning with this episode. (Edit)


"Happy Days" replaces "Rock Around the Clock" as the show's opening theme beginning with this episode. From now on, the series is filmed in front of a studio audience, and that explains the new interior design at Arnold's and the Cunningham house.


Stop being so defensive, honestly, what is to argue? The show didn't become Fonzie Show until season 3 and I don't see how people can dispute facts. Unless you honestly hated the second season and felt it was so drastically different from the first year. But the way you're arguing, it's as if I'm "lying" when I said that the show didn't change in season 2, but season 3.