"Cheers" (NBC, 1982-1993)
Yes, the show was No. 1 its last season, but it was largely on the strength of its nostalgia factor. "Cheers" was never the same after Diane (Shelley Long) left in 1987. Though Diane herself wasn't the strongest character, she was the perfect foil. The barbs she exchanged with Sam (Ted Danson) created some of the crackliest sexual tension in TV history and her ongoing feud with Carla (Rhea Perlman) created great putdowns (Diane: "Oh no. The thing I feared most has happened." Carla: "What? Your Living Bra died of boredom?"). And Diane introduced the character of Frasier, who then brought in Lilith -- the wittiest, weirdest couple in prime time. Kirstie Alley couldn't bridge the character gap left by Diane; and frankly, wasn't everyone sick of dimwitted Woody after one season?

"Twin Peaks" (ABC, 1990-1991)
First season: Loved it. Second season: Hated it, but still
watched every episode, and lied about it to concerned friends.
What happened? David Lynch's surreal creepfest gripped the country in its first season, but once we learned who killed Laura Palmer (dear old dad), it was as though the writers never bothered to think of another plot line. Season 2 was a mess of dancing dwarves, one-armed weirdos, black castles, owls, and some dude named BOB (not Bob) whose murderous self inhabited various hapless residents of Twin Peaks. By the time Heather Graham appeared as a winsome ex-nun (!), we'd lost track of whatever was happening, and ABC cut its losses.


Death by Baby
This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy," "Friends," "Mad About You," "Charmed," "Murphy Brown"... once those little bundles of joy appear, the dynamics that made mom and the other characters so intriguing just fall apart. (This was actually less true in "Friends," in which baby Emma was treated like Ross' son, Ben -- a randomly placed prop you might see periodically, like, say, Chandler and Joey's foosball table.) Once the blessed event comes, plot developments screech to a halt. Happy for you, moms, but what's in it for us?

"Star Trek" (NBC, 1966-1969; final spinoff, "Enterprise," ended in 2005)
The campy earnestness of the first series and its stellar cast drew even non sci-fi fans. The endless spinoffs, however, mystified and alienated millions, and each incarnation has been a weaker clone. Just boldly go, already.

"The West Wing" (NBC, 1999-present)
It's still an intelligent series, and the cast's chemistry is strong, but the loss of original writer Aaron Sorkin because of well-publicized drug struggles after the fourth season resulted in more predictable scripts and less character interplay. Add to that the loss of Rob Lowe and scaling back of the role of John Spencer, and it's feeling forced. Can Jimmy Smits take the series in a dynamic new direction? Let the voters decide.

"Peanuts" franchise
We never miss "A Charlie Brown Christmas," and its Vince Guaraldi soundtrack is a holiday staple, but each subsequent holiday special seems like a cheap attempt to ride that special's coattails. "It's the Easter Beagle, Charlie Brown"; not one but two Valentine's Day specials; and, I kid you not, "It's Arbor Day, Charlie Brown." Good grief.

"Law & Order" (NBC, 1990-present)
Still love those reruns on TNT and "Special Victims Unit,"
because of its stellar cast. But the original couldn't withstand
the enormous loss of Jerry Orbach, "Trial by Jury" died young,
and "Criminal Intent" is just too annoying with Vince D'Onofrio's
scenery chewing. Note to Dick Wolf: Keep "SVU," fold the
others, and put your brilliant brain to work on another concept.


Reality TV
Yes, it's easy to complain, but it's time to get serious about it. Haven't we already seen everyone in America humiliate him- or herself at least once? Basta. Keep "Survivor," "The Amazing Race" and maybe "American Idol" for one more season, and Hollywood, put your talented writers back to work.

"All in the Family" (CBS, 1971-1979; morphed into "Archie Bunker's Place," 1979-1983)
Yes, it was groundbreaking Norman Lear satire, and the cast dynamics and writing were first rate (to this day, in honor of Archie, I privately call the skullcaps of my devout Jewish friends "Yamahas"). But as the '70s wore on, politics, other TV shows and especially American movies became much edgier, passing the little Queens Bunker house by. Edith died, Mike and Gloria finally left daddy's orbit, and Archie was left with his bar and not much else. Those were the days.

"Lost" (ABC, 2004-present)
OK, I've been a huge fan -- it reminds me, so help me, of the first season of "Twin Peaks." But now we're getting that jerked-around feeling. Enough mysteries for the sake of mysteries (that stupid hatch; the coal-dust "monster" wisping around; the Frenchwoman whose accent suddenly goes all South Bronx for no reason) -- make something happen already. A TV critic friend has a theory that creator J.J. Abrams has a two-year curse: the first two seasons of "Felicity" were awesome, and then it petered out; the first two of "Alias" were as addictive as heroin, but recent side plots involving long-lost family members and convoluted allegiance changes have left most of us in the dust. Now "Lost," in just one season, is already showing signs of fraying. It's not too late to save it, but next season better have some real action.

http://entertainment.msn.com/tv/PastExpiration/One

the writer seemed to take his opinion as fact. I know just as many people who say the Rebecca years of Cheers are best as those who say Diane was best.

I'm hardly a Trek fan but I haven't met very many Trekkies who DON'T consider The Next Generation superior to The Original Series. Since it says the first was the only relevant one. Voyager is well liked by my Trekkie friends too. It didn't "go downhill" until Enterprise, which was the fifth series. That's a nice run.

Same with I Love Lucy, most people wouldn't say it "lost it" when she gave birth, that was only in season 2 for crying out loud, but until they moved to Connecticut.

I agree with Law And Order (even though I consider SVU superior to the original series) and reality tv. And while the classic Peanuts specials still rule, who really needs "A Charlie Brown Christmas In July"?

I dont agree with the Star Trek thing, because deep space nine was totally different from TOS & TNG.....

I like L&O:SVU a lot, but the original L&O and the others dont interest me.....

I love the Rebecca years of "Cheers" and I think the show was just as funny in its last season as it was in its first

I would have definitely included these shows:
"Happy Days" (the post Richie years were a disaster)
"Bewitched" (the post Dick York years were awful)
"Will & Grace"
"Malcolm in the Middle"

"I Love Lucy" NEVER lived too long and "Murphy Brown" did, but it wasn't because of the birth, it was a couple years later

Death by Baby
This phenomenon has claimed so many victims the World Health Organization should be on the case: "I Love Lucy,"
..............

Umm, last I checked Lucy had her baby in season 2- hardly the end of the show (6 seasons), and not even its peak.

This guy actually has a job spouting his opinion like any of us on this website, yet he gets paid?

He is amateurish in his reasoning at best.

Can we add 7th Heaven to the list please? :rolleyes:

Can we add 7th Heaven to the list please? :rolleyes:

Oh yes good call... that show hasn't been good in over 5 years

Give me a break. I enjoyed Cheers more when Rebecca was on it. The last season was still enjoyable. I think it could have gone on for a few more years. And I don't agree with Lost at all. That clifthanger was one of the best last season.

And I don't agree with Lost at all. That clifthanger was one of the best last season.

yep, I think season 2 will be even better thanks to the cliffhanger.

btw, nice avatar, I love Simon And Simon

This guy doesn't even have his facts straight. Cheers came in 9th in its final season. But, although the final season is my favorite, I do agree that it is based on nostalgia. In that year everything slowly but surely came full circle.

As for The West Wing, this past season with Alan Alda and Jimmy Smits was one of the best I've seen of the entire series. I do agree that it is past its prime, but it seems to be on the rise.


How can a show about series past their expiration date NOT include Will & Grace?! I'm a fan, but even I acknowledge that it hasn't been any good since the 4th season. Although, just like with The West Wing, this past year saw a noticeable improvement in quality, and the list of guest stars seemed to slow down by the end of the season.

Little Ricky was almost as MIA as Emma.

yep, I think season 2 will be even better thanks to the cliffhanger.

btw, nice avatar, I love Simon And Simon
I agree. I think the show will stay fresh for awhile. I heard they might be adding some new characters because we have only been spending time with a small group of the survivors. I can't wait until the premiere.

Thanks. Simon And Simon was one of the best Detective shows to come out of the 80's.

shows that IMO really did live past their expiration date, moreso than the shows on this guys list.

1. Happy Days - the latter seasons weren't as bad as some claim, but it stopped being "Happy Days" the moment Ron Howard left and I don't know how anyone can honestly disagree. If you combined the shows from 1974-1980 and 1980-1984 to two different shows, it would've worked out for the best. But Happy Days without Ron Howard works about as well as The Cosby Show without Bill Cosby.
2. Friends - if it ended about 3 or 4 years earlier, it would be a classic among classics. But the show became comfort food to such an extent that it was nothing but going through the motions by the end.
3. Murphy Brown - it was biting and witty during the first six or seven years, by the last year it was irrelevant and nobody cared
4. ER - should've wrapped for good when Noah Wyle became the last original to leave, he was supposed to be the Dennis Franz of the show. Goran Visjnic will never be George Clooney.
5. Malcolm In The Middle - lost it's novelty and edge a few years back
6. Married With Children - it was a groundbreaking show in the late 80's and early 90's. By the mid-late 90's, it had run it's course and it's laughable that the cast was shocked it didn't run a 12th season. IT WAS OVER AT LEAST FOUR YEARS EARLIER!!!
7. Diff'rent Strokes - it was all ruined when the focus of the show drifted away from Arnold and Willis to Sam and Maggie. They could've started anew when Sam was kidnapped, but no, they actually missed the annoying rugrat.
8. The Real World - after 13 years, is there anything groundbreaking left about this show? The first three years were interesting because nothing like it had been done, but by now it's by-the-numbers and cliche.
9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN.
10. 7th Heaven - never liked it but 10 years is way too much. Even the little one is now in college. When that happens, it's run too long.

shows that IMO really did live past their expiration date, moreso than the shows on this guys list.

1. Happy Days - the latter seasons weren't as bad as some claim, but it stopped being "Happy Days" the moment Ron Howard left and I don't know how anyone can honestly disagree. If you combined the shows from 1974-1980 and 1980-1984 to two different shows, it would've worked out for the best. But Happy Days without Ron Howard works about as well as The Cosby Show without Bill Cosby.
2. Friends - if it ended about 3 or 4 years earlier, it would be a classic among classics. But the show became comfort food to such an extent that it was nothing but going through the motions by the end.
3. Murphy Brown - it was biting and witty during the first six or seven years, by the last year it was irrelevant and nobody cared
4. ER - should've wrapped for good when Noah Wyle became the last original to leave, he was supposed to be the Dennis Franz of the show. Goran Visjnic will never be George Clooney.
5. Malcolm In The Middle - lost it's novelty and edge a few years back
6. Married With Children - it was a groundbreaking show in the late 80's and early 90's. By the mid-late 90's, it had run it's course and it's laughable that the cast was shocked it didn't run a 12th season. IT WAS OVER AT LEAST FOUR YEARS EARLIER!!!
7. Diff'rent Strokes - it was all ruined when the focus of the show drifted away from Arnold and Willis to Sam and Maggie. They could've started anew when Sam was kidnapped, but no, they actually missed the annoying rugrat.
8. The Real World - after 13 years, is there anything groundbreaking left about this show? The first three years were interesting because nothing like it had been done, but by now it's by-the-numbers and cliche.
9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN.
10. 7th Heaven - never liked it but 10 years is way too much. Even the little one is now in college. When that happens, it's run too long.

Not that I don't agree with your list, you're actually right on the mark with most of them.... but The Real World, IMO, didn't peak until "San Diego" which was two seasons ago. This season hasn't been too bad, but the last one sucked, and the last few before "San Diego" sucked as well. It's a very hit or miss show, but when it hits, it's great TV.

I liked the early episodes of Cheers best, I hate rebecca she is not funny at all. There is no real conflict, no tension between her and Sam. Dianne had heat in her relationship. Plus, how long can Cliff and Norm carry a series. And I missed Coach. I liked his character. The best episodes are the first seasons.

I never saw Twin Peaks, so I can't comment. Ditto for Death by Baby.

I love Star Trek, I think the only mistake was the start of Enterprise. I did not like it. But I saw a few episodes from the last season, and it was much better. I think the first season of Enterprise killed it for most Star Trek fans. TNG was very good. And Voyager grew on me, I liked it in syndication. Maybe the best episode from all of Star Trek was on Voyager "A Year In Hell".

Reality TV sucks. I hate it. Even the stuff from the 80's was better, like Star Search. I hate the animosity on some of todays reality shows. It makes watching those shows unberable. Plus, I hate arrogant people.

I loved Archie Bunkers place. Maybe All in the Family went on for one year too many, or maybe the writing lost its edge, but I liked ABP. It was entertaining. It could have gone on a couple more years. What happened to the girl that lived with Archie? What happened to Archies jewish partnet, why did he leave early?

The other shows you listed I don't watch. I never got hooked on West Wing, I maybe saw 10 minutes of one episode and turned on something else. Same thing with Law and Order.

I'd also like to add....

The Cosby Show - The first five season were undeniably classic. Every single episode from these years were gold. The sixth season was a little under par, but still a great show. Seasons 7 and 8 were just bad. A few redeeming episodes here and there made them still watchable, but they were by no means near the greatest of those first 6 years. Had it not been for the classic final scene of the show, the series finale would probably be ranked as my least favorite of any "true" series finale. But that's beside the point.

Thanks. Simon And Simon was one of the best Detective shows to come out of the 80's.

Simon and Simon is one of my favorites detective series, number 3 on my list behind Magnum and The Rockford Files. Simon and Simon was very good. I loved the contrast between the two brothers.

I'd also like to add....

The Cosby Show - The first five season were undeniably classic. Every single episode from these years were gold. The sixth season was a little under par, but still a great show. Seasons 7 and 8 were just bad. A few redeeming episodes here and there made them still watchable, but they were by no means near the greatest of those first 6 years. Had it not been for the classic final scene of the show, the series finale would probably be ranked as my least favorite of any "true" series finale. But that's beside the point.

The show started to suck when Deniese left the series. They brought her back to try and save it, but it was too late. She had screen presence, and a nice smile.

I would have liked to see the Cosby Show spin off to a series where Theo goes away to college. LOL.

Edit: And why the heck did Deniese leave a different world. That original cast was awesome. I loved Marisa Tome. The only person missing was the skinny girl, but I did not like her bitchy personality the first season.

And why the heck did Deniese leave a different world. That original cast was awesome. I loved Marisa Tome. The only person missing was the skinny girl, but I did not like her bitchy personality the first season.

Bill fired Lisa from ADW because she was pregnant. However, I don't see what was wrong, Lisa was an adult woman and she was married. I'm not an ardent pro-life type but Lisa wanted the baby, who the hell was Bill to tell her she couldn't have it?

BuffySlayer, I agree with Murphy Brown. By the end, it felt like the show was on for 10 centuries instead of 10 years with all the old clips, plus the hairstyles on Murphy and Corky was so dated during the old clips. So dated.

Bill fired Lisa from ADW because she was pregnant. However, I don't see what was wrong, Lisa was an adult woman and she was married. I'm not an ardent pro-life type but Lisa wanted the baby, who the hell was Bill to tell her she couldn't have it?

Is that against the law to fire a woman for getting pregnant? Or are there different rules when it comes to acting?

Is that against the law to fire a woman for getting pregnant? Or are there different rules when it comes to acting?

well, this was 1988. I'm sure today they would've accomidated her pregnancy by giving her heavy clothes or whatever

well, this was 1988. I'm sure today they would've accomidated her pregnancy by giving her heavy clothes or whatever

I meant to say "isn't that against the law." But the same thing either way. It ended up working for the best, as ADW got better once Bonet left. I think pregnancies should always be addressed on a show.... just look at that one season of Frasier where Daphne is sent to fat camp, it's a total disgrace to the show. Such a smart series has such a dumb excuse for her gaining weight. The fat suit they made her wear was terrible, but it did provide for some laughs.

Martin (after lifting Daphne with the help of Frasier and Niles): "You do realize it just took three Cranes to lift you?!"

well, this was 1988. I'm sure today they would've accomidated her pregnancy by giving her heavy clothes or whatever
Phylicia Rishad was pregnant during the run of TCS and they accomidated her. She missed a few shows and was seen hiding behind different things. I don't know what the difference was.

9. Survivor - can you name one Survivor? ok... someone who isn't Richard Hatch, Jenna or Ethan? POINT PROVEN.

Strictly from memory: Tina won the second one, Vecepia won, Amber won All-Stars, Fireman Tom won the most recent one. Survivor is still a very entertaining show.

An easy pick for me is Family Matters. That CBS gave it continued life was a mistake, it should've already been gone by its last season on ABC.

Strictly from memory: Tina won the second one, Vecepia won, Amber won All-Stars, Fireman Tom won the most recent one. Survivor is still a very entertaining show.

An easy pick for me is Family Matters. That CBS gave it continued life was a mistake, it should've already been gone by its last season on ABC.

it just seems like as soon as AI came along, E.T., Extra and all the media outlets suddenly stopped caring about Survivor. Basically everyone during the first season had a brush with celebrity, moreso than the last few WINNERS have had.

RE: firing pregnant stars

if I recall, Dana Plato was fired from Diff'rent Strokes when she got pregnant too (ironically, this was also about the same time the show really lost it) but she did return as a recurring role after she gave birth,

I definitely don't agree with Murphy Brown suffering "Death by Baby." Avery was born at the end of the fourth season...M.B. lasted for six years after that. I think, just like with many shows that last that long, it just ran out of good steam. In fact, from what I've seen of the 10th season, it actually looks like it could be pretty good, but many had lost interest by that time.

To my understanding, Lisa Bonet was not "fired" because she was pregnant... I think Bill Cosby thought they could better cover it or whatever if she was back on TCS but it's not like they completely fired her, I mean it was a move from one series to another

To my understanding, Lisa Bonet was not "fired" because she was pregnant... I think Bill Cosby thought they could better cover it or whatever if she was back on TCS but it's not like they completely fired her, I mean it was a move from one series to another

she was barely in the fifth season of Cosby tho, like 4 episodes at the beginning and then Denise was off to Africa

she was barely in the fifth season of Cosby tho, like 4 episodes at the beginning and then Denise was off to Africa

As a white american, Lisa Bonet was the reason I watched that show. Sure, I liked Bill and Theo, and thought it was somewhat funny. Lisa was the reason I watched. She was more of a sex symbol and icon than anyone else on that show.

But what does that say about Bills morality? Kid gets pregnant, throw them out??

But what show could he have had? A plump Lisa walking around, knocked up? What would the family do? A black teen gets it. That is so anti-Cosby. They don't make mistakes.

How do you people feel about MASH?

How do you people feel about MASH?

I never watched it. I was so young, I was more into fantasy like Battlestar Galactica or Dukes of Hazzard back then.

I never watched it. I was so young, I was more into fantasy like Battlestar Galactica or Dukes of Hazzard back then.

Oh ok. Let me rephase myself....Do you think MASH lived past thier expiration date?

That is if you remember it.

Oh ok. Let me rephase myself....Do you think MASH lived past thier expiration date?

That is if you remember it.

I remember there was a HUGE thing about mash for its last episode. Everyone was watching it, and lots of people teared up when it was over.

I remember so little of it, although I saw the last episode. I guess nothing was emotional for me because I remember the reaction of everyone else and not the show.

BTW, the one character I did like was the white haired skinny colonel. My dad split when I was young, and for some reason, I remember likeing him in a fatherly way. I liked how he was calm and assured.

How do you people feel about MASH?
I think it probably ended at the right time. It was still good though and the last episode was one of the greatest final episodes in tv history.

Not that I don't agree with your list, you're actually right on the mark with most of them.... but The Real World, IMO, didn't peak until "San Diego" which was two seasons ago. This season hasn't been too bad, but the last one sucked, and the last few before "San Diego" sucked as well. It's a very hit or miss show, but when it hits, it's great TV.

Critically and socially, The Real World: San Francisco is often hailed as the best season of the show.

Critically and socially, The Real World: San Francisco is often hailed as the best season of the show.

San Francisco was Puck, Pedro and Judd, right?

San Francisco was Puck, Pedro and Judd, right?

Yes.

I would have liked to see the Cosby Show spin off to a series where Theo goes away to college. LOL.


Wasn't Malcolm Jamal Warner in some CW produced sitcom the year after Cosby wrapped. I can't think what it's caled - on our own or something, saw it at 4 in the morning (the burn off timeslot in Australia) here in Oz one time - thought it was pretty cool!

You people all missed the ULTIMATE show that "jumped the shark"/// SNL has been "godawful" for at LEAST 20 years~~!!!!!! ( It wasnt that great to begin with )

You people all missed the ULTIMATE show that "jumped the shark"/// SNL has been "godawful" for at LEAST 20 years~~!!!!!! ( It wasnt that great to begin with )

It is hit or miss for me. Will Ferrell and David Spade were very funny. But since they left, I have not been watching unless there is a host I want to see.

I wish David Spade would make more movies where he is the straight guy. I think he is very funny, and does not need to go "over the top" to make people laugh.

Can I vote if I think a network has lived past their expiration date? MTV sucks compared to what they used to be, music videos.

You people all missed the ULTIMATE show that "jumped the shark"/// SNL has been "godawful" for at LEAST 20 years~~!!!!!! ( It wasnt that great to begin with )

SNL was far better in the 90s than it was in the 80s. The Will Ferrel years are, IMO, just behind the first 5 as the greatest "era" of SNL.

Sure, it hasnt been that great since Ferrel left, but this previous season was a step up IMO.

"Twin Peaks" (ABC, 1990-1991)
First season: Loved it. Second season: Hated it, but still
watched every episode, and lied about it to concerned friends.
What happened? David Lynch's surreal creepfest gripped the country in its first season, but once we learned who killed Laura Palmer (dear old dad), it was as though the writers never bothered to think of another plot line. Season 2 was a mess of dancing dwarves, one-armed weirdos, black castles, owls, and some dude named BOB (not Bob) whose murderous self inhabited various hapless residents of Twin Peaks. By the time Heather Graham appeared as a winsome ex-nun (!), we'd lost track of whatever was happening, and ABC cut its losses.

Personally, I don't feel this show was given enough of a chance! Can't say I agree with this at all. :(

Bill fired Lisa from ADW because she was pregnant. However, I don't see what was wrong, Lisa was an adult woman and she was married. I'm not an ardent pro-life type but Lisa wanted the baby, who the hell was Bill to tell her she couldn't have it?
Humm....I always thought that she was fried from A Different World because:(A)She did an "R" rated movie(Angle Eyes) and the Great and Powerful COS couldn't have that!Not someone whom would mess up his perfect family sitcom!(B)She had an "attitude" problem while doing the serise(wanted more money;bigger dressing room;ect.).This pregnacy thing is a new one on me.

Bill fired Lisa from ADW because she was pregnant. However, I don't see what was wrong, Lisa was an adult woman and she was married. I'm not an ardent pro-life type but Lisa wanted the baby, who the hell was Bill to tell her she couldn't have it?
Humm....I always thought that she was fried from A Different World because:(A)She did an "R" rated movie(Angle Eyes) and the Great and Powerful COS couldn't have that!Not someone from his show that would mess up his perfect family sitcom!(B)She had an "attitude" problem while doing the serise(wanted more money;bigger dressing room;ect.).This pregnacy thing is a new one on me.

"Cheers" (NBC, 1982-1993)
Yes, the show was No. 1 its last season, but it was largely on the strength of its nostalgia factor. "Cheers" was never the same after Diane (Shelley Long) left in 1987. Though Diane herself wasn't the strongest character, she was the perfect foil. The barbs she exchanged with Sam (Ted Danson) created some of the crackliest sexual tension in TV history and her ongoing feud with Carla (Rhea Perlman) created great putdowns (Diane: "Oh no. The thing I feared most has happened." Carla: "What? Your Living Bra died of boredom?"). And Diane introduced the character of Frasier, who then brought in Lilith -- the wittiest, weirdest couple in prime time. Kirstie Alley couldn't bridge the character gap left by Diane; and frankly, wasn't everyone sick of dimwitted Woody after one season?


Reality TV
Yes, it's easy to complain, but it's time to get serious about it. Haven't we already seen everyone in America humiliate him- or herself at least once? Basta. Keep "Survivor," "The Amazing Race" and maybe "American Idol" for one more season, and Hollywood, put your talented writers back to work.

"All in the Family" (CBS, 1971-1979; morphed into "Archie Bunker's Place," 1979-1983)
Yes, it was groundbreaking Norman Lear satire, and the cast dynamics and writing were first rate (to this day, in honor of Archie, I privately call the skullcaps of my devout Jewish friends "Yamahas"). But as the '70s wore on, politics, other TV shows and especially American movies became much edgier, passing the little Queens Bunker house by. Edith died, Mike and Gloria finally left daddy's orbit, and Archie was left with his bar and not much else. Those were the days.
I totally agree with you on these

Cheers:I liked Diane more than Rebecca

Reality Shows:TOTALLY RIGHT!A couple of them turned out to be hit,then they come up with stupid ones.Beauty & The Geek?The Real Gilligan's Island?Were these people on something when they made these programs?

All In The Family:After Rob Reiner & Sally Struthers left the show,the show became boring because the reason it was such a hit was because of the arguments between Archie & Mike

Humm....I always thought that she was fried from A Different World because:(A)She did an "R" rated movie(Angle Eyes) and the Great and Powerful COS couldn't have that!Not someone whom would mess up his perfect family sitcom!(B)She had an "attitude" problem while doing the serise(wanted more money;bigger dressing room;ect.).This pregnacy thing is a new one on me.
The Great COS is showing himself to be a HUGE hypocrite, now that all these stories ( to which he's admitted ) are coming out about how he used his high profile to have several affairs with young star-struck women... something comes to mind about living in glass houses, and throwing stones :rolleyes:

Humm....I always thought that she was fried from A Different World because:(A)She did an "R" rated movie(Angle Eyes) and the Great and Powerful COS couldn't have that!Not someone from his show that would mess up his perfect family sitcom!(B)She had an "attitude" problem while doing the serise(wanted more money;bigger dressing room;ect.).This pregnacy thing is a new one on me.

well, Angel Heart came out in early 1987, when Cosby season 3 was in progress. Bill wasn't too thrilled with the movie but it had already come and gone by the time the A Different World pilot was filmed.

I personally like Lisa Bonet best of everyone associated with TCS. She had her own identity and unlike the rest of the Cosby kids, she was not going to let Bill "mentor" her because she already had a father, she just wanted a professional work relationship. Denise was always my favorite Huxtable because she was the only one who was really "unconventional".

I just knew that I was going to get the title of her movie wrong! :mad:

Personally, i think SNL has totally sucked since Eddie Murphy left

Coach (ABC, 1989-1997) - It was a great show at its time, but it should have ended like in May 1995 before they moved to Florida. Just look at the ratings from this show:

Not in the Top 30 in it's 1988-1989 Season

#18 in the 1989-1990 Season

#18 in the 1990-1991 Season

#10 in the 1991-1992 Season

#6 in the 1992-1993 Season

#6 in the 1993-1994 Season

Not in the Top 30 in it's 1994-1995 Season

Maybe nobody watched it much during the 1994-1995 Season, or maybe it had something to do with Clare Carey & Pam Stone leaving the show. And that's why it should've been cancelled during that year. But ABC decided to make it stay on longer, and made them move to Orlando. And that's why it's so underrated. DAMN YOU ABC!!! :mad:

If I were Universal, I'd air this sitcom on CBS from November 1, 1988 to May 10, 1995. All I'm saying is "Coach" should have air on the same network as it's related show "Coming of Age", which is another Barry Kemp/Universal sitcom that aired on CBS from 1987-1988. At least CBS would have made it more popular unlike ABC.

I liked every season of Coach, even if the Orlando years weren't quite as good, I was still a fan.

Coach (ABC, 1989-1997) - It was a great show at its time, but it should have ended like in May 1995 before they moved to Florida. Just look at the ratings from this show:

Not in the Top 30 in it's 1988-1989 Season

#18 in the 1989-1990 Season

#18 in the 1990-1991 Season

#10 in the 1991-1992 Season

#6 in the 1992-1993 Season

#6 in the 1993-1994 Season

Not in the Top 30 in it's 1994-1995 Season

Maybe nobody watched it much during the 1994-1995 Season, or maybe it had something to do with Clare Carey & Pam Stone leaving the show. And that's why it should've been cancelled during that year. But ABC decided to make it stay on longer, and made them move to Orlando. And that's why it's so underrated. DAMN YOU ABC!!! :mad:

If I were Universal, I'd air this sitcom on CBS from November 1, 1988 to May 10, 1995. All I'm saying is "Coach" should have air on the same network as it's related show "Coming of Age", which is another Barry Kemp/Universal sitcom that aired on CBS from 1987-1988. At least CBS would have made it more popular unlike ABC.

however, Coach rebounded back into the top 20 in the 95-96 season.

While COACH (Which had a brief primetime run here in Australia before being jettisoned to late night hell) declined once they went pro I beleive the funniest episode aired during that period - the episode where Hayden holds a BBQ, Luther burns his mouth on the sausage and then sues Hayden for not stopping him from eating a 'molten' sausage! Hayden's defence was simply that Luther was an idiot! Best Coach ep I've ever seen!

Andy Griffith once Barney left the show wasn't as great.

Frasier it should of ended in 2000 not 2004.

Friends same with Frasier.

Walker, Texas Ranger the last season was kinda so-so. Having Alex has his wife and C.D. being gone and having 2 new rangers it made show barely watchable.
7th heaven I agree whoever said 10 years is too long.

You forgot about one of my favorites... up to season 6. The Drew Carey Show. Ran 9 seasons. After the 6th season, the show jumped the shark badly.

"The Simpsons" Hands-Down!

If season 13 would've been there last...that would've been great. But "The Simpsons" HAD to milk this show down to the ground. We get it...Homer is a dumbass, Marge is a neat freak, Bart is just a spoiled brat that isn't loved, Lisa is an outspoken nerd who HAS to be right everyday, and Maggie sucks...on her pacifier that is.

Have the Simpson Children grow-up already! The Simpsons now aren't even funny!

Wasn't Malcolm Jamal Warner in some CW produced sitcom the year after Cosby wrapped. I can't think what it's caled - on our own or something, saw it at 4 in the morning (the burn off timeslot in Australia) here in Oz one time - thought it was pretty cool!

Here And Now

"The Simpsons" Hands-Down!

If season 13 would've been there last...that would've been great. But "The Simpsons" HAD to milk this show down to the ground. We get it...Homer is a dumbass, Marge is a neat freak, Bart is just a spoiled brat that isn't loved, Lisa is an outspoken nerd who HAS to be right everyday, and Maggie sucks...on her pacifier that is.

Have the Simpson Children grow-up already! The Simpsons now aren't even funny!

One of the things that bothers me is that the characters are constantly having flashbacks and in the process they keep rewriting history because the characters never age. Talk about inconsistency!

25 TV Shows That Should Be Canceled (http://www.complex.com/pop-culture/2012/03/25-tv-shows-that-should-be-canceled)

There are few things more devastating than hearing that the TV series you've followed religiously, with the characters who've become like family to you, has been canceled. Unfortunately, in the ratings race that is television broadcasting the axe is always looming, and sometimes networks will unceremoniously end a show well before its time.

But in recent history, rabid fans of shows that have been canned too early have begun grassroots movements to bring them back. The most recent show to come back from the brink is NBC's Community. After rumors swirled around about its cancellation, fans of the show made their voices heard and the Peacock miraculously put it back onto the network schedule.

It's a shame that such truly good shows can be gone too soon when so much complete garbage endures, kept on air by dolts in suits and on sofas. To celebrate Community's return this Thursday at 8 p.m. ET, we're taking a look at 25 TV Shows That Should Be Canceled.

I say "The O.C." got old very fast.

I'm having problems going to complex.com, but I hear "The Simpsons" are on that list.

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-lists/9-tv-shows-that-lasted-way-too-long/

We were all shocked yesterday to find out that Fox is threatening the cast of The Simpsons with cancellation should they not agree to significant paycuts. Though, after twenty-three seasons, there are many out there that agree it might be time to retire the show. It’s not exactly terrible, but it’s also not what it once was. It’s probably too late for the series to go out in a blaze of glory, but it’s not too late for it to take a semi-gracious bow. Unlike these shows, who overstayed their welcome just like my friend Greg does at parties. That f*ckin’ guy.

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-lists/9-tv-shows-that-lasted-way-too-long/2/

http://www.screenjunkies.com/tv/tv-lists/9-tv-shows-that-lasted-way-too-long/3/

The Simpsons needs to be put to rest. It should have been put to rest years ago. It's been on for 25 years, way past its prime and needs to be put in bed. I have not seen a full episode in several years and I am a big fan of their 1990's material. But it's 2013 and Bart has been in 4th grade since Reagan was President.

Historically, the one show I think was on too many years was MASH. MASH should have been wrapped up the season Gary Bughoff left. Too many years, bad rehashing of stories.

The Simpsons needs to be put to rest. It should have been put to rest years ago. It's been on for 25 years, way past its prime and needs to be put in bed. I have not seen a full episode in several years and I am a big fan of their 1990's material. But it's 2013 and Bart has been in 4th grade since Reagan was President.

Historically, the one show I think was on too many years was MASH. MASH should have been wrapped up the season Gary Bughoff left. Too many years, bad rehashing of stories.
I didn't see the original Star Trek in its' original run. Only in reruns. I grew up with The Next Generation and the other 3. I rank TNG and TOS the top of the franchise. DS9 and Voyager were also good but Enterprise was weak. Each one since the original was differant in their own way and I'm glad that they took differant routes and not to be clones.
I'll take Law and Order the Jerry Orbach years but not with Dennis Farina. I hated his character and I'll take that over SVU. That one was too melodramatic.