No one knows the case?? I think his name is Randall Utterback or Utterbach -- really nerdy dude that couldn't stand that his x girlfriend didn't want to be with him-- he ran her off the road and threatened to kill himself if she wouldn't get back together with him? Please let me know if there were any updates...

No one knows the case?? I think his name is Randall Utterback or Utterbach -- really nerdy dude that couldn't stand that his x girlfriend didn't want to be with him-- he ran her off the road and threatened to kill himself if she wouldn't get back together with him? Please let me know if there were any updates...

I remember the case, although I don't remember the actual spelling of his last name. Even when it was intermixed with new episodes on Lifetime, there were no updates. So chances are, he's still out there.

To my recollection, it hasn't been on America's Most Wanted. But maybe it's time for that show to feature that case.

He looked like such a dork!!!

Is this the guy? Randall Joe Utterback (http://members.socket.net/~audrainsheriff/audrain/utterback.html)

I believe that is him. I still cannot get over what she saw in this guy.

Yeah, he's definitely a dork. :lol:

Yeah, but she was SUPER young and was probably flattered that an older man was interested in her.

Creepy, don't get me wrong.... I feel so bad for the victim in this.

I just saw this one not too long ago. Maybe it was last week sometime. I'd say sometime in the past month Lifetime showed this one.

you guys are right that is the right one. i was in jail with him at the time. i was gone when he escaped. he escaped by saying he slip and hurt he's ankle in the shower so the deputy took him to the ER room.I think it was after they (him and a deputy) got out of the ER room he pushed ,overpowered,knock him over, something like that and took off running.(he didn't have leg chains on cause he hurt his ankle). he had to have the help of that deputy ,cause that deputy was at least twice his size. that and the area he took off in,you could see in a block in any direction.plus that deputy resigned right after that and they talked alot. i had heard that he was going to escaped to england. i would updates to this too. right before i left the jail i think he was missing a few cards from the deck

you guys are right that is the right one. i was in jail with him at the time. i was gone when he escaped. he escaped by saying he slip and hurt he's ankle in the shower so the deputy took him to the ER room.I think it was after they (him and a deputy) got out of the ER room he pushed ,overpowered,knock him over, something like that and took off running.(he didn't have leg chains on cause he hurt his ankle). he had to have the help of that deputy ,cause that deputy was at least twice his size. that and the area he took off in,you could see in a block in any direction.plus that deputy resigned right after that and they talked alot. i had heard that he was going to escaped to england. i would updates to this too. right before i left the jail i think he was missing a few cards from the deck

Wow, that's something! Thanks for the update.

you guys are right that is the right one. i was in jail with him at the time. i was gone when he escaped. he escaped by saying he slip and hurt he's ankle in the shower so the deputy took him to the ER room.I think it was after they (him and a deputy) got out of the ER room he pushed ,overpowered,knock him over, something like that and took off running.(he didn't have leg chains on cause he hurt his ankle). he had to have the help of that deputy ,cause that deputy was at least twice his size. that and the area he took off in,you could see in a block in any direction.plus that deputy resigned right after that and they talked alot. i had heard that he was going to escaped to england. i would updates to this too. right before i left the jail i think he was missing a few cards from the deck

Thanks for posting benmmaddog. Very interesting that the deputy may have helped him escape. I wonder if he was ever charged. I was shocked when I found out he was never apprehended so it seems plausible that he's in another country. I feel sorry for his ex-girlfriend though as she probably still looks over her shoulder.

Yeah, I guess placing fear into someone is worse than actually hurting them physically because they live with it 24 hours a day.......G.Daniel Walker said that.

Feel sorry for the X girlfriend tho.

I dunno guys, my conspiracy detector is going off big time here. I got odds that benmaddog is really Randall Joe Utterback and is trying to do the old "dipsey doodle" on everyone!! Notice how he oh-so casually mentions that he "heard he was going to escaped to england". As if we're to believe he overheard Utterback describing escaped plans he fake he slip in the shower and hurt he's ankle and Utterback was going straight from the prison to england. Man, that's at LEAST 50 miles! I mean, maybe he could hitchhike and find someone to drive him all the way to paris, which is the capital of ireland. And then take a trolley train to europe, which is the capital of england but I doubt it. But I'm getting ahead of myself anyway, that's all part of the deliberate misinformation aspect of this escaped!!

So now imagine this hairy handed gent, running amok in Kent. Maybe he's been overheard in Mayfair. They better stay away from him, he'll rip their lungs out, Jim.

Now law enforcement travels all the way to england-towne, has a butchers around Charlie Brown, and Randall Joe is nowhere to be Tuppenced. Why?!

Because he never was going to escaped to england at all!

Nor was he going to escaped to france or argentina or zimbabwe either. He never planned to escaped to any of the baskrillion other far away areas one could escaped to.

Because benmaddog is really Randall Joe Utterback and he's posting from a bunker somewhere in southern Missouri hoping we'll all fall for his merry ol' england ruse!!

I mean could you imagine Randall Joe in London? Utterback doesn't necessarily strike me as the cosmopolitan type. Making the jump from Hogswaller, Mizzou to having tea and crumpets in Stepney-Upon-Brumbleshire-Upon-Avenswood Downs might be a little harder than old Randall thinks. And by the way...DUDE'S NAME IS RANDALL!! I think he's going to have a hard time with Brits laughing in his face as he goes around telling people "Hi, I'm RANDY. And you are...?"



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Corky, your posts are awesome!

Hmm, Corky that is interesting. Yeah, I have been of the opinion that Utterback is not in another country and probably isnt even in another state, his family is probably helping him financially and is hiding him somewhere most likely.

I dunno guys, my conspiracy detector is going off big time here. I got odds that benmaddog is really Randall Joe Utterback and is trying to do the old "dipsey doodle" on everyone!! Notice how he oh-so casually mentions that he "heard he was going to escaped to england". As if we're to believe he overheard Utterback describing escaped plans he fake he slip in the shower and hurt he's ankle and Utterback was going straight from the prison to england. Man, that's at LEAST 50 miles! I mean, maybe he could hitchhike and find someone to drive him all the way to paris, which is the capital of ireland. And then take a trolley train to europe, which is the capital of england but I doubt it. But I'm getting ahead of myself anyway, that's all part of the deliberate misinformation aspect of this escaped!!

So now imagine this hairy handed gent, running amok in Kent. Maybe he's been overheard in Mayfair. They better stay away from him, he'll rip their lungs out, Jim.

Now law enforcement travels all the way to england-towne, has a butchers around Charlie Brown, and Randall Joe is nowhere to be Tuppenced. Why?!

Because he never was going to escaped to england at all!

Nor was he going to escaped to france or argentina or zimbabwe either. He never planned to escaped to any of the baskrillion other far away areas one could escaped to.

Because benmaddog is really Randall Joe Utterback and he's posting from a bunker somewhere in southern Missouri hoping we'll all fall for his merry ol' england ruse!!

I mean could you imagine Randall Joe in London? Utterback doesn't necessarily strike me as the cosmopolitan type. Making the jump from Hogswaller, Mizzou to having tea and crumpets in Stepney-Upon-Brumbleshire-Upon-Avenswood Downs might be a little harder than old Randall thinks. And by the way...DUDE'S NAME IS RANDALL!! I think he's going to have a hard time with Brits laughing in his face as he goes around telling people "Hi, I'm RANDY. And you are...?"



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Wow. How randomly awesome. I was actually in the "conspiracy boat" myself... but I don't think I can top that post. :)

I grew up around Randal. He looks rough in the mugshots but was always real into nice stuff. he always had the best stereo equipment and road racing bicycles. He usually had at least 2 crotch rocket motorcycles that were extremely souped up. He liked to go really fast. He was actually pretty flashy and had quite a bit of cash because he is the type of guy that would work three jobs. As far as the ex-girlfriend, she liked to start crap and get revenge on people. I have no doubt that he wanted her back but I don't think he went nuts on her. Knowing her and him I'm pretty sure she said that to get him in trouble with the police. As far as being in Missouri I would bet anything that he is not. He is known to be a pretty crafty and I would bet he is in another state working in a factory saving all of his cash for quick moves so that whenever they show him on T.V. he can jump up and move on a moments notice. As for England, I could see that. I'm telling you Randall could be anyone he wanted to be. He can dress the part and have the accent. He did pretty good interpretations.

Wow, could this be a posting from Randall Utterback himself?

I'm not Randall. I'm sure he wouldn't be stupid enough to use an IP address that could be tracked back to the area he is living in. Although one could always hack a machine, make it a bot, and use that IP appearing to be in a completely different state.

As for England, I could see that. I'm telling you Randall could be anyone he wanted to be. He can dress the part and have the accent. He did pretty good interpretations.

Wow... He could interpret English from people from Englad??? Cool... :lol:

That description sounds an awful lot like Austin Powers!

I'm not Randall. I'm sure he wouldn't be stupid enough to use an IP address that could be tracked back to the area he is living in. Although one could always hack a machine, make it a bot, and use that IP appearing to be in a completely different state.

Seeing how Randall did not kill anyone, wouldn't the statute of limitations have passed on any other crime he did committ?

Yeah, seeing pictures of this guy he looks like a total dweeb! I don't think he'd be stupid enough to go back to Missouri when he knows that he's wanted by the police there. If the ex-girlfriend was smart, she should take out a restraining order on the creep, that way if he tries to contact her or go near her at all, he gets thrown in the slammer! This guy's a total loser!:talk:

I'm not trying to start anything here, but for someone like Randall Utterback, a restraining order means nothing. If anything, it would only make him that much more determined to contact his ex...

Just my thought.

As I was reading all of the comments that people had left about Randall, I was amazed how little they really knew about him. So many think he looks like a dork, he is living in England, his family is supporting him, his oh poor little ex-girl friend. Well, I am family, and I do not know where he is, I am not supporting him, he is not a dork, his ex-girl friend is okay and is out and about without fear. I am so glad that everyone has an opinion of where he is, because I sure don't and I am a family member. I hope he is okay and I truly miss him and feel a big void in my heart because he is gone. It feels like he is dead and I do not know where he is buried. What was protrayed on the show may led many to think he was somewhat of a cruel and mean person, but I grew up with him and I know different. There are many out there who know the real Randall and after reading all of these comments, I realize that even after 13 1/2 years people are still clueless to the real story behind the life of Randall ------. So before you jump to coconclusions, think before you react and realize that there is more to the story than what was ever told.

As I was reading all of the comments that people had left about Randall, I was amazed how little they really knew about him. So many think he looks like a dork, he is living in England, his family is supporting him, his oh poor little ex-girl friend. Well, I am family, and I do not know where he is, I am not supporting him, he is not a dork, his ex-girl friend is okay and is out and about without fear. I am so glad that everyone has an opinion of where he is, because I sure don't and I am a family member. I hope he is okay and I truly miss him and feel a big void in my heart because he is gone. It feels like he is dead and I do not know where he is buried. What was protrayed on the show may led many to think he was somewhat of a cruel and mean person, but I grew up with him and I know different. There are many out there who know the real Randall and after reading all of these comments, I realize that even after 13 1/2 years people are still clueless to the real story behind the life of Randall ------. So before you jump to coconclusions, think before you react and realize that there is more to the story than what was ever told.

Yes I agree people are entitled to their opinions and we were voicing ours. Granted the only thing we know about Randall Utterback is what was shown on the UM segment. Nerdy is definitely a subjective term but I think it was well established he was possessive as after his girlfriend wouldn't get back with him he kidnapped her! I really have no opinion where he is now. I would have thought he would have been found by now so it is entirely possible he's no longer in the US. I also would have thought the statute of limitations would have been up by now (anyone know?).

You said we don't know the whole story so here you're chance to give your side. We would like to know any more info about the case that UM left out so feel free.

Yes please enlighten us, otherwise how do you expect anybody to have a different view of him than his rap sheet?

Well, for one thing I am not saying everything that happen was not false or true, but a lot of it was blown up to make Randall out to some kind of animal that he wasn't. You see I am his sister. I do not know where he is, but I do know what he is as a person and how we were raised as kids and what happened to him is a reflection of that. As for the limititations it will not stand because he was never convicted of a crime so the 7 years will not even matter. I have often wonder how he has survived all these years but it has not been because of me. I am his sister, but it is very hard knowing my younger brother is living his life this way. I know Deniece, and have seen her through the years and have listened to many of the different stories that she has told. What was said on UM was different than what was said in court, so it made me upset when I saw the UM segment and seen her act the way she did. I wish things could be different for Randall and I could see my brother because I have kids and they miss their uncle. The guy on the UM may acted like a jerk and if this was how Randall was, I myself never saw him that way. I did call UM myself and ask why they did not contact me when family members were suppose to be contacted. Well their response was they did not know there was a sister. That came from the parentes themselves. Randalls life was not easy. I am not making excuses for him, but if anyone has been through what Randall had been through maybe just maybe people would just try to understand a little more. He tried to hold a family together that could not and felt like everything caved in on him. It has been very hard on me these years not knowing where he is, kowing people think these awful things about him, seeing his face plaster across the Internet or on the post office wall, but I also know that Randall made that decision to escape. Before all this happened, Randall was the happiest person I knew and my kids loved their uncle. Now all they have is their memories of him.

Well, for one thing I am not saying everything that happen was not false or true, but a lot of it was blown up to make Randall out to some kind of animal that he wasn't. You see I am his sister. I do not know where he is, but I do know what he is as a person and how we were raised as kids and what happened to him is a reflection of that. As for the limititations it will not stand because he was never convicted of a crime so the 7 years will not even matter. I have often wonder how he has survived all these years but it has not been because of me. I am his sister, but it is very hard knowing my younger brother is living his life this way. I know Deniece, and have seen her through the years and have listened to many of the different stories that she has told. What was said on UM was different than what was said in court, so it made me upset when I saw the UM segment and seen her act the way she did. I wish things could be different for Randall and I could see my brother because I have kids and they miss their uncle. The guy on the UM may acted like a jerk and if this was how Randall was, I myself never saw him that way. I did call UM myself and ask why they did not contact me when family members were suppose to be contacted. Well their response was they did not know there was a sister. That came from the parentes themselves. Randalls life was not easy. I am not making excuses for him, but if anyone has been through what Randall had been through maybe just maybe people would just try to understand a little more. He tried to hold a family together that could not and felt like everything caved in on him. It has been very hard on me these years not knowing where he is, kowing people think these awful things about him, seeing his face plaster across the Internet or on the post office wall, but I also know that Randall made that decision to escape. Before all this happened, Randall was the happiest person I knew and my kids loved their uncle. Now all they have is their memories of him.

Thanks for posting that. I am sorry for you that you haven't been able to see your brother for so many years. I am curious what was said in court that was different from what was mentioned in the UM segment if you don't mind saying.

The one thing that stood out was when Deneice said about Randall asking her to marry him if he would take her back to her vehicle. On TV, if you remember, she said no, but in court she said she would marry him so he would take him back to her vehicle. Now this was the incident in which he was suppose to have our dads truck. I saw him shortly after that when he was to stay away from her and I told him to stay away because I did not want him to be in anymore trouble, however, what happened on that final day I truly believe both were at fault but Randall will forever pay for the mistake of trying to make something work between him and Deniece and everything just went terribly wrong. I saw him in court shortly after he was arrested and he was not the brother I always knew. It saddens me to ever think that my baby brother had fallen the way he had. We were always so close and now there is nothing. So I know for those who do not know him, they will think the worst of him, but I will always believe that what happened to Randall was the result of breakdown within our own family and to this day it is still broken. I only hope that wherever he is he is safe, and as long as he is a fugitive I do not and can not see him. Back when that all went down, I was questioned for quite some time because I am his sister, but I have not seen nor heard from him since 1994. Because I personally have a brother that is a fugitive, I look at things different. There is always more to the story than what is ever told and I know deep down Randall is still a good person but because of his choices society has marked him as a violent and dangerous individual. Many times I had heard Deneice say that if anyone defened Randall, her family will take care of them. No one needs to do anything. The law will take care of it in its own due time. I still have a lot of sadness in me where Randall is concern, but who wouldn't if it was your brother wouldn't you feel this way? He is not a dweeb, a dork, he was just someone who may have loved someone too much. Randall an Deniece had both stayed at our house many years ago before all this, and all these signs of possessiveness were never shown, so when all this came out, it was a shock to me. I hate to think that I will never see my brother again, but the truth is, if he is never found or he never turns himself the reality is I will leave this world knowing the last time I saw my brother was in 1994.

I really do not care if he is a nerd or not- in the pictures he does look nerdy but who cares? the fact is he has been on the run for 14 years because he does not have the guts to serve time for the crimes he did, people can make excuses as they always do where these people are concerned about his upbringing etc, but he chose to do what he did and then not to accept his punishment.

I miss Randall very much and I wish I could see and talk to him. He has two great nieces and one great nephew that he has never met and I know he would personally enjoy spending time with them. But I guess we won't get that oportunity to ever get that. All I can do is pray that he is alright and GOD is looking over him. I may not agree with what he did (escaping) but he made that choice for himself. Does not mean that I don't love him any less. He has a family that misses him very much and are very saddened because of his disappearance. I hope he knows how much he is truely missed. I am hoping one day this will all end and I can be reunited with Randall. I just want to give him a hug and let him know that I love him. What he was protrayed as is not the Randall I knew or will remember to know.

:eek: HMmmmmmmm! How quickly people will cast a stone against those they don't know. I see that you are from England and you are so quick to judge someone you are basing a 20 minute story on. Yes the guy that protrayed my brother looked like a dork, but my brother is not a dork. I am not defending Randall. There are many people that are on the run and for whatever reason... they made that choice. I have to believe he will do what is right in the end, but until then I have to hope and pray he is okay. I assume you that are so judgmental of him have never had something like this happen to you personally. Believe me, I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I don't want my brother locked up, but if he was, at least I would be able to see him. As it is right now, I have no relationship with him so why don't you try putting yourself in my shoes and think about that.

I see that you are from England

Just a quick question, why are you bringing his nationality into the discussion?

What I meant was about the comment from England was not toward Randall but from someone who had a comment about Randall who says they are from England. The reason I brought that up was because they were so quick to judge from another country and base their decision from a 20 minute story. I am sure it will never matter what I really have to say about Randall anyway, because for the most part people have already decided what kind of person he is and that is their right, but I know and that is all that matters. After I saw the segment on Randall, I had a different opinion of that show and how they handle the truth behind the story.:confused: :wave:

I think you will find he was asking why you are bringing up my being British, I would think any rational person wherever they are would find this individual to be a classic example of an obsessive paranoid control freak.

You have told us what a great guy he is but the evidence says otherwise, if it was my brother who acted towards a woman like that, made threats against her and her family, stalked her, ran her off the road which could have killed her, abducted her at gunpoint etc then I would like to see him behind bars and I would disown him, the fact is rather than pay for his crimes he has been running for 14 years depriving the victim of justice and his family of the chance to see him.

You have not really said the allegations against him are wrong, the only problem seems to be the irrelevant marriage issue- maybe she did say it & I believe she probably did agree to it otherwise he would have likely killed her as usually happens with possessive people like him- amazing what having a gun at your head will entice people to say.

:bluesbros :bluesbros :bluesbros :rolleyes: I have nothing against anyones heritages and no I do not agree with everything that may or may not have happened on that day rather it was my brother or not. What I am saying is that the story got blown up and where the gun was concern yes he did have the gun and I do not agree with that but the incident where she agreed to go back with him, I don't think it was with him at that time, however it was with him on that final day. Doesn't make it right, but the fact is they were both in the wrong and Randall made more wrong choices. I do not agree that he escape, what he did to Deniece and if he had stayed and did his time he would likely be free now however he is still my brother and I will always love him for the brother I knew and miss the relationship that we did have. It has been hard knowing that we can never have a relationship as long as he is still a fugitive. I do not know how he has survive this long and only hope he is still alive. So it doesn't really matter how or what people think of me as his sister because I grew up with him and somewhere along the way something changed within him and because of that change his life as he knew it is forever lost. So I apologize to anyone that thinks I am juding who they are from any country, because that was not my intentions. I was just trying to get my point across that it would almost be impossible to make a rational decision about someone based on a 20 minute show about someone. When they zoomed in on the pictures of Randall and focused on his eyes it made him look like an evil person, but don't you think if he was such a evil person he would have committed more crimes during these last years?

No offence taken, most of us Brits are vermin anyway judging from what can be seen on our streets and television.;)

I do not really believe in good and evil, I do however think certain people have something in their genetics that makes them behave a certain way that most of us would not, his personality comes across as totally controlling and unable to accept it as being over- there have been many cases where this ends up in the woman being murdered by the former partner despite restraining orders and the like.

None of us know what he has been doing the last 14 years-he may well have been committing crimes or he may have started a new law abiding life somewhere having changed his appearance radically, she is certainly partly to blame because she should have gotten rid of him the moment he started dictating what she could do and who she could see etc- it might not have made any difference to him although it might have made him less hung up on her, but everytime she just put up with it and stayed with him it sent a message that she could be controlled.

Love the Blues Brothers graphic:cool:

I was indeed bringing up James T's being British, not whatever sisilyg55 thought I was bringing up.

:cool: :) You know all these years I have never found a place where I could even vent my anger, frustration, sadness or any emotions where I feel for Randall and this situation. I wish more that anything that Randall would quit living his life the way he is, confront the issues and start a new life without all this hanging over his head. Many people do not agree with me because I am his sister, but I want to see my brother but not as long as he is a fugitive. I want my kids, my grandkids to see their uncle. His grandmother passed away and he couldn't be there and our other grandmother is not doing so well so there are things that reflect big time because he made the choice to leave the way he did. I went through my own agrgy time with him, but I still love him. I won't go into our own family, but I will say he came from such a dysfunctional family that the pressure finally was too much. I am not making excueses for what he may or may not have done, but I know deep within my heart that Randall has a good heart and is not the violent person that was portrayed. If no one agrees with me, that is okay because all I have to hold onto is what our lives was like before all this happened.::(

This case intrigues me. See I am from a nearby town in Missouri, in fact the one from which he escaped. I, my father, and a bounty hunter did research on Randall. He isn't a control freak, a lunatic, or has he escaped to England. Most law enforcement agencies believe he is with family in Eastern Canada, but he only knows. He, to my conclusion, just had a fight with his girlfriend that went too far. It could happen to anyone. Whether or not he is a dork is completely irrelevant. He escaped because, I believe, the punishment did not fit the crime. No one would stand for such injustice. Maybe they wouldn't go to such extremes, but I believe the proposed punishment is too harsh. I have talked to members of his family and some of his friends, he isnt a monster or a psychopath. And please dont get the image of the haunted victim of the girlfriend, I've heard tell of her bragging around Centralia of Randall's fate. My heart goes out to the sister and other family, and I pray G-d is with Randall in his difficult new lifestyle.

Rumors don't go well here. The law is the law, and you don't get to choose to escape just because you don't want to serve the time. That in itself is a crime.

No offence taken, most of us Brits are vermin anyway judging from what can be seen on our streets and television.;)

You are a great advertisement for the British Tourist board. I'm almost getting talked out of going.

This case intrigues me. See I am from a nearby town in Missouri, in fact the one from which he escaped. I, my father, and a bounty hunter did research on Randall. He isn't a control freak, a lunatic, or has he escaped to England. Most law enforcement agencies believe he is with family in Eastern Canada, but he only knows. He, to my conclusion, just had a fight with his girlfriend that went too far. It could happen to anyone. Whether or not he is a dork is completely irrelevant. He escaped because, I believe, the punishment did not fit the crime. No one would stand for such injustice. Maybe they wouldn't go to such extremes, but I believe the proposed punishment is too harsh. I have talked to members of his family and some of his friends, he isnt a monster or a psychopath. And please dont get the image of the haunted victim of the girlfriend, I've heard tell of her bragging around Centralia of Randall's fate. My heart goes out to the sister and other family, and I pray G-d is with Randall in his difficult new lifestyle.

Dude...HE STALKED HER! Think what you like, but common sense dictates, along with most state laws, when someone breaks it off with you, you do not follow them around and terrorize them on a deserted road. You accept the ending of the relationship and move on with your life. He committed a serious crime. The fact the Denise was not assaulted or worse, murdered is a miracle in itself. Frankly, the woman has earned the right to brag about his fate. He terrorized her with mental abuse during and after their relationship.

I don't wish ill will upon his family. However, Randall needs to come back and face the music. He needs help. Emotional abuse does not stop with one person. It's a control issue.

You are entitled to your opinion, but I have had friends assaulted and stalked by exes of both sexes. No one deserves what happened to Denise and I'm sure others on this board will concur with me. If not, everyone has the right to feel the way they wish.

That would all be true, except he didnt stalk her and he didnt assault her. If he wanted to, he would've, but he didn't. The story got blown out of proportion. He should go to jail for escape, but not much else. I don't condone escape. He saw his position unfair and decided to go to an extreme. As for that drama queen, don't believe her to be a victim.

That would all be true, except he didnt stalk her and he didnt assault her. If he wanted to, he would've, but he didn't. The story got blown out of proportion. He should go to jail for escape, but not much else. I don't condone escape. He saw his position unfair and decided to go to an extreme. As for that drama queen, don't believe her to be a victim.
He did stalk her. What are you smoking? This guy is dangerous and should be behind bars so that Denise and everyone else is safe.

He did stalk her. What are you smoking? This guy is dangerous and should be behind bars so that Denise and everyone else is safe.

Don't be shocked if the poster is actually Randall himself, we have some sickos here on this site from time to time.

Don't be shocked if the poster is actually Randall himself, we have some sickos here on this site from time to time.

Yup, you're probably onto something here. Nothing surprises me any more. :rolleyes:

That would all be true, except he didnt stalk her and he didnt assault her. If he wanted to, he would've, but he didn't.

Eeek. That's a creepy thing to say.

Yep, I'm Randall, come get me. Im in England. And while you're at it, get the full story. Logic dictates that cases on shows like these are dramatizations. And by logic, I mean the disclaimer that says "This is a dramatization". They are for entertainment purposes. Watch the news for real cases or talk to those involved. If he were dangerous, which he could be, wouldn't he attack her?
See ya later,
-Randall Joe Utterback

Yep, I'm Randall, come get me. Im in England. And while you're at it, get the full story. Logic dictates that cases on shows like these are dramatizations. And by logic, I mean the disclaimer that says "This is a dramatization". They are for entertainment purposes. Watch the news for real cases or talk to those involved. If he were dangerous, which he could be, wouldn't he attack her?
See ya later,
-Randall Joe Utterback
If you find his wanted poster, it SAID he was wanted for stalking and other crimes. Somehow, I would love to ask what color the sky in your world is. Do you think she is imagining all that he did, or do you think she's lying. I think she's telling the truth. Get a grip.

Troll.

Some people have nothing better to do with their time. I am not sure if I should laugh or feel pity.

:confused: After reading all the comments, I cannot help but wonder how so many people have so many comments and ideas about Randall when they do not know him. There is so much more to the story than what has been protrayed. Like I said, I do not agree that Randall escaped, but the sentences that he was offered ----75 years or 3 life sentences were not right. Murderes do not even get that much time and if punishment fitting the crime is suppose to work, well this case should be looked at again. Today is Randall's birthday and it is always a sad day for me. It is one birthday I will never get to celebrate with a member of my family.... just in my memory. I would not wish this situation on anyones family and for anyone who has a sibling that may be a fugitive, I feel for you because it feels like Randall is dead and I do not know where he is buried. So when everyone writes all those cruel things, remember there are two sides to a story and believe me one day the truth will come out and maybe then I can celebrate my brothers birthday again.:(

Interesting fact: I heard from someone that men who pursue the hardest (women) are usually the most abusive. Follow you around (this happened to me), go out of their way to win you (isn't that what he did with her?) give them flowers, try to "win" them or old-fashioned court them.

Yep, I'm Randall, come get me. Im in England. And while you're at it, get the full story. Logic dictates that cases on shows like these are dramatizations. And by logic, I mean the disclaimer that says "This is a dramatization". They are for entertainment purposes. Watch the news for real cases or talk to those involved. If he were dangerous, which he could be, wouldn't he attack her?
See ya later,
-Randall Joe Utterback

Are you the person who claims to be the little girl in Georgia's relative too??

:confused: After reading all the comments, I cannot help but wonder how so many people have so many comments and ideas about Randall when they do not know him. There is so much more to the story than what has been protrayed. Like I said, I do not agree that Randall escaped, but the sentences that he was offered ----75 years or 3 life sentences were not right. Murderes do not even get that much time and if punishment fitting the crime is suppose to work, well this case should be looked at again. Today is Randall's birthday and it is always a sad day for me. It is one birthday I will never get to celebrate with a member of my family.... just in my memory. I would not wish this situation on anyones family and for anyone who has a sibling that may be a fugitive, I feel for you because it feels like Randall is dead and I do not know where he is buried. So when everyone writes all those cruel things, remember there are two sides to a story and believe me one day the truth will come out and maybe then I can celebrate my brothers birthday again.:(

The reason people have so many comments and ideas about Randall is because they have seen a presentation on his story on a nationally televised episode of Unsolved Mysteries that was repeated numerous times in syndication and that is all they know. Right or wrong, that is all we have to go on.

That being said, I really doubt you'll find much support for your brother on these forums.

Why do people come on here and claim they are someone's relative, or know them? I wouldn't claim a guy like that to be my brother even if he was.

Sort of reminds me of the Adam Emery case. The families of both his wife and Adam's both proudly claimed their relations to them, even after they savagely butchered that poor young man, Jason.

wow...ok..long story..my 16th year of my life i was living with my mother who is utterbacks ex and who notified the police on his actions. i was moving out of my moms house to my "dads" and she had broke it to me that my father was not my biological dad..it was heartbreaking..she didnt tell me anything..just a name..randall joe utterback..i searched online of course like any frantic 16yr old would..and i did nnot speak to my mother for about 7 months, i couldnt get over the fact i felt like i was lied to my whole life..listen people..i am his son..my name is otto proud (proud is my adopted fathers lastname) and i do not appreciate the *******s who talked bad about my mother..hello you ****..if my mom was the crazy one then how the hell did he get locked up!? this is the 1st post to this case since 2004 ..i work for a car company and i sit on the computer all day and i came across this forum..and randall...so called biological father...YOUR A LOWLIFE PEICE OF ****! ive done everything perfect without u in my life..i was an allstar wrestler..all conference baseball player..im a car salesman and i make DAMN good money..so if u really are on these posts under different names..i hope u know how much u ****ed it up u crazy dick! your a dirty..crazy ****..if you EVER come near or try to get in contact with me or any part of my family..I WILL HURT YOU..im 5 10 170 pounds of pure muscle..and a mixed martial arts fighter..ur gonna need a lot to get past my anger you ****in low life scum peice of ****! for all of you tha sent ur regards and sorrow for my mother....thank you..you will be in my heart and i pray for you that this stuff doesnt happen to ur family..

wow...ok..long story..my 16th year of my life i was living with my mother who is utterbacks ex and who notified the police on his actions. i was moving out of my moms house to my "dads" and she had broke it to me that my father was not my biological dad..it was heartbreaking..she didnt tell me anything..just a name..randall joe utterback..i searched online of course like any frantic 16yr old would..and i did nnot speak to my mother for about 7 months, i couldnt get over the fact i felt like i was lied to my whole life..listen people..i am his son..my name is otto proud (proud is my adopted fathers lastname) and i do not appreciate the *******s who talked bad about my mother..hello you ****..if my mom was the crazy one then how the hell did he get locked up!? this is the 1st post to this case since 2004 ..i work for a car company and i sit on the computer all day and i came across this forum..and randall...so called biological father...YOUR A LOWLIFE PEICE OF ****! ive done everything perfect without u in my life..i was an allstar wrestler..all conference baseball player..im a car salesman and i make DAMN good money..so if u really are on these posts under different names..i hope u know how much u ****ed it up u crazy dick! your a dirty..crazy ****..if you EVER come near or try to get in contact with me or any part of my family..I WILL HURT YOU..im 5 10 170 pounds of pure muscle..and a mixed martial arts fighter..ur gonna need a lot to get past my anger you ****in low life scum peice of ****! for all of you tha sent ur regards and sorrow for my mother....thank you..you will be in my heart and i pray for you that this stuff doesnt happen to ur family..

Yowza.

Thanks for posting oproudo! Certainly surprising news! I take it from what you said that your mom is the girl in the UM segment who Randal kidnapped. How is she doing now? To my knowledge Randall has never posted on here. I think someone said they were but it seemed like sarcasm. Randal's sister has posted a few times though.

yes...he is..but idk if it is quite safe to say my mothers full name on the posts ..like i said in my first post, i do not know wut all the circumstances are..my adopted father wanted me to move in with him in 2004 and my mother hated it..she did not want me to leave..so she told me everything...she felt like i didnt need to worry about some crazy guy in missouri that has done nothing for me when my adopted father has done everything for me..she also wanted to wait till i was old enough to know every detail about the situation and why things had happened this way..and THIS IS NO JOKE. for all the people who think that im another person just trying to make a fling out of this whole thing...contact me on if youd like to see pictures and i will give u links to some of my webpages..when i first say randall on mugshots.com i literally sank in my seat..there is wayyy tooo striking of resemblence and it is definatley hard to believe forme.but every1 ive shown and knows about thesituation says there is no difference in looks and apperance..except im not a little nerd like him..lol..but seriously..please dont post ugly rude replys going against the fact of me being his son..this is already a big burden on me..so please..serious responses(like the last one) appreciate it..lol..have a good one guys..ill be on here all day

I miss Randall very much and I wish I could see and talk to him. He has two great nieces and one great nephew that he has never met and I know he would personally enjoy spending time with them. But I guess we won't get that oportunity to ever get that. All I can do is pray that he is alright and GOD is looking over him. I may not agree with what he did (escaping) but he made that choice for himself. Does not mean that I don't love him any less. He has a family that misses him very much and are very saddened because of his disappearance. I hope he knows how much he is truely missed. I am hoping one day this will all end and I can be reunited with Randall. I just want to give him a hug and let him know that I love him. What he was protrayed as is not the Randall I knew or will remember to know.
you think his neices and nephews feel bad..what about his son?!!!!!! do ANY of you know who i am? did any of you know that his ex was pregnent?!

you think his neices and nephews feel bad..what about his son?!!!!!! do ANY of you know who i am? did any of you know that his ex was pregnent?!

I don't know if you're asking that question to "niece" or the posters or general but of none of us from the board knew she was pregnant. UM didn't mention it and I can certainly see why. Aside from the relatives of Randall's on the board the rest of us have felt nothing but sympathy for your mom. I can't imagine how tough this must be for you but I'm glad you had a loving and supportive dad that raised you. I was always surprised that
Randall had never been captured because it seemed like it would be an easy case to solve. Some speculate he's in another country.

honestly...i could care less where he is..i just hope he is miserable..i was spekticle about telling my mother that i was posting these comments on here, when i did tell her..she said make sure that the woman who turned him in was his ex before her..like i said, i have no clue the full specticle of all of the situation..but i know for a fact we ran..i was born in a different state and i know my mom and my grandparents..uncles and aunt moved out of missouri because of him..she has told me he stalked her..abused her..and threatend her on a number of occasions..if there is anyone thats has mixed feelings it is me..a part of me wants to know who he is..his real personality but then again, with how much grief he has costed everyone..i would really like to hurt him..lol.as bad as that sounds..my mother is he strongest person i know next to my late grandfather..and if he tried t hurt my mom mentally or physically then he deserves the worst..anyman who feels to hurt women in any sort of way is a punk and a true criminal..i will shortly post a picture of my self next to his mugshot and you tell me what you think

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=169863&imageID=12379765&MyToken=112b7ea9-51fa-4e9c-9e48-c07b025fd8b3

if youd like..look at the pic of me if you have any doubts or questioning and put them next to randalls

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.editAlbumPhoto&albumID=169863&imageID=12379765&MyToken=112b7ea9-51fa-4e9c-9e48-c07b025fd8b3

if youd like..look at the pic of me if you have any doubts or questioning and put them next to randalls


Your profile must be private because we can't access your pictures. Says invaild.

well i have about 3 pics uploaded oin this profile on this webpage and if yo go to myspace.com and type in my name (otto proud) you will be able to find pictures on that..thank you for the post

hi there..i dont know if you still get on this page and check the comments anymore..but do you remember randalls girlfriend before denise williams? cathy ? im not obligated to say her lastname due to the fact i really dont know if i can..lol..but she is my mother..and randall is my biological father..if you really are his sister..then u can see a true definition in our different pictures

I can see a little resemblance but you are much better looking than him.

Thanks for clarifying, I thought at first you were Denise's son. It sounds like Randall pulled the same behaviour on your mom as he did on Denise. Do you know if Randall knows he has a son?

haha..thank u for calling me good looking..about 6 months ago i had a buzz cut and aviators on and took a pic and it looks jus like his for some reason..like perect...its kinda scary ya know..like looking in a mirror..but no..i dont think he has any clue at all..my mother is actually going to check out the posts here shorty and mabye she will post on here..umm ya i dont think he has any clue and thats the part that effects me the most..ya know..i dont care for him as much as a whole diff family that doesnt know me or anything about me..but i mean, ive done good with my life...and if they did or do know..its there loss ya kow?im going to get back to you guys on what my mother says actually happend and what she encountered..thanks..

ok.....my mother just filled me in on information...she was 7 months pregnent with me which would have been (april of 90) and she went to indianapolis to vist my aunt who was diagnosed with a brain tumor, she said she had came back and randall had made accusations that she was cheating on him the whole time she was gone which was impossible due to the fact she was a state away..the argument had escaladed and he had thrown a hammer at my mothers head..there was a lot of abuse verbally and physically..she was in fear of her life and mine so she left him..and never heard from him since

OK Otto---YOU shouldn't have your real name on here either. I am Otto's mother and its been quite interesting going through here reading these posts. Maybe I can give a little insight, there are obviously things that alot of people don't know. I met Randall when I was almost 18, he was 27. We had some great times together, lived together in Centralia in a little apartment over the dentist's office. We honestly didn't use any type of protection and ended up pregnant. We were both very happy, and actually rented a small house and started acquiring baby furniture and clothes. My little sister (at that time she was 7 years old) was diagnosed with a brain tumor and I went to Indy to Riley's Hospital for her surgery. I was there for a little over a week and when I returned Randall was a completely different person. Accused me of several things and over the next few days was very verbally and sometimes physically abusive. I finally left after the hammer incident and returned to my family. This should answer the question as to whether or not Randall knew he had a son...he most definitely did and even had to take a test to establish paternity for child support. I never did see one dime--I even went to the court date in Columbia, he never showed and conveniently quit his job to avoid paying anything. I did not hear anything again until the FBI showed up on my doorstep and took me into their office. They informed me of what had happened, that Randall had escaped, and had made direct death threats against me through the grapevine. By this time I was married and was actually not very concerned that he could find me--I lived somewhere else and had a different last name. I do still take precautions--my phone number is unlisted, I live in the country, we have a pitbull and a few guns, but I honestly don't think I'll ever need them. I can say that Randall had never been that way before, and yes-the one poster was right--he did like very fast motorcycles. He didn't do drugs, detested them--wouldn't even take an aspirin. I never really met his family--he had told me that his father had already disowned one of his family members (I think his brother?), and he didn't want his parents to know that I was pregnant. Being as young as I was at the time I wasn't really concerned over that matter. We had some good times--I remember camping out for Motley Crue tickets in the middle of winter in the snow (I was about 4 or 5 mos pregnant when we saw that show), just going for drives, going over to his friend Mike's, if we went to McDonalds he always got the filet-o-fish--was his favorite. Something obviously happened in that week I was gone and it just kept going downhill for him. Originally I just thought that he was immature and couldn't handle the responsibility of a child. But then he went and pulled that other stuff with his ex so I just don't know. It is sad for Otto, I tried to do all I could to raise him right--I went to college full-time and worked full-time. We didn't get to spend alot of time together when he was little because of this. I met another man, we got married and he adopted Otto. He had been an OK dad, but after a while not a great husband. Otto is a good man, he's a wonderful brother and will always stand up for what is right. A little hot-tempered, but thats why he excelled at sports. I have no idea where Randall is, I have been told both speculations from the FBI--with family in Canada, or with family somewhere around Fishers, IN. I don't think he's either of those places or they would have already caught him. There are two sides to every story...I DO believe he did those things because I never would have thought he would have done the things to me that he did...he just changed. Maybe something just snapped. Well, that's all for now...maybe this will clear up just a couple things or a couple of questions.

Thanks for posting proudcat1971 and giving us the details. You said he was opposed to drugs but the abrupt change in his behaviour makes me wonder if he had started to take them when you were away. Mental illness could be another explanation I suppose. In the UM segment it seemed him and Denise had a good relationship too until she left him. Its good you got out of there when you did.

Oproudo and Proudcat1971, thanks so much to both of you for speaking with us about this case. I know it must be difficult and painful, especially to reach out to strangers to share such private details of what you've been going through. Thankfully, you both were able to escape, survive, and get on with your lives.

Otto, I'm so glad your mom was there for you. She sounds like a wonderful person.

And Proudcat, it sounds like you did a great job raising Otto, especially considering the fact that you were so young and facing all the things that RU was putting you through. Otto seems like a great kid!

it is nice that you have an opinion, even if it is wrong. Randall is not a coward who will not face his crimes. his is falsly accused and it is his ex-girlfriend who is the coward that will not face her crimes. Perjury that ruins the life of another is a much worse crime than loving someone more than you love yourself.

This case intrigues me. See I am from a nearby town in Missouri, in fact the one from which he escaped. I, my father, and a bounty hunter did research on Randall. He isn't a control freak, a lunatic, or has he escaped to England. Most law enforcement agencies believe he is with family in Eastern Canada, but he only knows. He, to my conclusion, just had a fight with his girlfriend that went too far. It could happen to anyone. Whether or not he is a dork is completely irrelevant. He escaped because, I believe, the punishment did not fit the crime. No one would stand for such injustice. Maybe they wouldn't go to such extremes, but I believe the proposed punishment is too harsh. I have talked to members of his family and some of his friends, he isnt a monster or a psychopath. And please dont get the image of the haunted victim of the girlfriend, I've heard tell of her bragging around Centralia of Randall's fate. My heart goes out to the sister and other family, and I pray G-d is with Randall in his difficult new lifestyle.

it is nice that you have an opinion, even if it is wrong. Randall is not a coward who will not face his crimes. his is falsly accused and it is his ex-girlfriend who is the coward that will not face her crimes. Perjury that ruins the life of another is a much worse crime than loving someone more than you love yourself.

Feel better after dumping that load of BS?

it is nice that you have an opinion, even if it is wrong. Randall is not a coward who will not face his crimes. his is falsly accused and it is his ex-girlfriend who is the coward that will not face her crimes. Perjury that ruins the life of another is a much worse crime than loving someone more than you love yourself.

It's nice being able to hide behind anonymous screen names.

It's nice being able to hide behind anonymous screen names.
im sure that i probably know more about this case than most of you because im was friends with both randall and his accuser. anyone who knows the both of them knows the truth of who is the criminal in this case

Glad to hear from Otto's mother. I remember when you picked that name out for him. I am "his friend Mike's" ex wife. I have often wondered what happened to you and the baby, not that he's a baby anymore.

Now to the actual point of posting on here.....
Most of you posting only know what you've seen on TV. It was NOT that way. I knew him & Deniece. How can anyone (including the police) believe that what he did was stalking or kidnapping??? She held a loaded gun in that car, and she very well knew how to use it.

What is stalking....Deniece sitting down the road at 3am watching for him to come home through a pair of binoculars??? But our fine police force didn't want to hear about that.

The punishment they were wanting to hand out did not fit the crime. I hope they never find him. I feel sorry for his family, but I hope they never catch him.

People need to realize that the punishment for Missouri's 1st stalking case was greater than what most murderer's get. They were talking 75 years to life.
And as far as I'm concerned, Deniece caused most of what she got. And yes, I'll tell it to her face. You can't call or write to someone that you have an ex-parte against and then have them arrested for coming to see you. Everyone around here that knows her, knows what really happened. I will never feel sorry for her. She's building some really bad karma for herself.

Is that what happened? Was there a no-contact order against Randall and Denise baited him into violating it?

I'm not down with that... in fact, it's the bane of my existance in my career. I absolutely believe that those no-contact orders should work both ways....

HOWEVER... like I tell my clients, just because your ex calls you DOES NOT MEAN that you are obligated to answer... especially when there's a court order in place telling you not to. (Funny enough: I had this conversation with a client the other day. I actually said, "Dude, when the restraining orders come flying out, it's pretty safe to say the relationship is over.")

Relationships are a tricky bit. However, we all make our choices. I sympathize with Randall's family for what they are going through, but he's not doing himself any favors by being on the run. There are lots of things that attorneys can do to get his sentence reviewed... especially if they think it was too harsh. However, the fact that Randall's been on the run so long tends to negate any argument he may have for a reduced sentence.

I appreciate hearing from Randall's son and ex-girlfriend. The similar story from the ex clears up any doubt I may have had regarding Randall's conviction. The hammer incident sent chills down my spine. I'm glad that you got out of the relationship relatively unscathed.

im sure that i probably know more about this case than most of you because im was friends with both randall and his accuser. anyone who knows the both of them knows the truth of who is the criminal in this case

Do you honestly expect anyone on this board who has just seen the Unsolved Mysteries segment to have sympathy for the guy? Do you think some random poster who just came out of the woodwork and registered yesterday is really going to change anyone's mind by making such vague statements? If what you're saying is true about knowing Randall and Denise then you probably do know more than the average poster here, I'll give you that. But all you're basically saying is that Randall is innocent, and your only support for your argument is that you know them, and we don't.

So enlighten us. Seriously, what was "off" in UM's portrayal of the case? Anyone who has been watching the show for awhile knows that UM does have the tendency to embellish facts and takes some artistic license with many of the stories. It's not hard to swallow that they may have gotten the facts wrong on Randall and Denise.

It may seem like I'm flaming you, but I'm really not. If you gave some reasons why you thought Randall was innocent I'm sure people here would be willing to listen. But just coming on here and saying he is innocent and that anyone who thinks otherwise is wrong, without any other basis, is just stirring the pot.

I knew Randall, and I knew he was possive of his girlfriends. I never once saw him be violent with them. I never even HEARD that he had been violent until this Denise thing.

Most of what I know about this actual case came from his father, best friend, and a neighbor.

The neighbor said that he told multiple investigators that he had seen Denise sitting in her car, watching through binocculars, for Randall to come home. But those investigators all ignored him. And, according to him, when he mentioned it to his lawyer, he was told that the jury would not listen because it would put the victim on trial. (where she should be)

His father and friend are the ones who told me about the phone calls and letters she would write. I saw one of those letters where she discusses how much she missed him while she was away at school. The letter was not dated, so there was no way to know when it was sent. (before or after the ex-parte) His dad swears it was after. So yes I believe he was baited.

I don't think he was going to get a fair trial. They couldn't get a change of venue and her family has money and is well known around here. They wouldn't hear of anything that might put the victim on trial. So what kind of defense do you think he had??? And, considering it was Misouri's first stalking case after they passed the law, they wanted to make an example out of him.

Plus, I know a few too many things about Denise, and the things she had done prior to this, to ever believe anything she had to say. UM only gave HER story, and conveniently left out anything that might make her look bad.
Both were wrong, both done wrong, only Randall was going to pay.

She won't have to look over her shoulder her whole life. She is living just fine. I have seen her from time to time. I just hope her new husband knows what kind of person she really is.

Starbaby, are you trying to say that Denise was a trouble maker and you hope her new husband knows what kind of person he's married to because she's that dangerous?

But here it's been about 20 years since she was involved in the Randall Utterbach case and she's not pulled any kind of weird stunt that you claim she's capable of.

And with Randall, we've got at least the violence against Denise and the violence against the previous girlfriend to prove a pattern in his behavior. All we've got to prove a pattern in Denise's behavior is two posts from a stranger on the internet named Starbaby.

Actually, I'm in a round about way trying to say that Denise was not exactly faithful to anyone. I know for a fact that she slept with 3 different men in one night. Not a rumor, fact. She was willing.

I remember lots of stories about the crap she pulled BEFORE her & Randall. She was a wild child that always got what she wanted, no matter what she had to do to get it.

She was a high school girl that broke up several relationships just to toss the guy away after.

I do not know what she has done in the last 15 years. I have stayed away from her and her crowd. But then again, Randall hasn't been caught, so I assume he's not pulled anything with anyone else either. Maybe they grew up and realized that it isn't worth the trouble anymore. But, if Denise is still the same person she was back then, her husband better not turn his back because she is a liar and she will do whatever it takes to get her way.

Actually, I'm in a round about way trying to say that Denise was not exactly faithful to anyone. I know for a fact that she slept with 3 different men in one night. Not a rumor, fact. She was willing.

I remember lots of stories about the crap she pulled BEFORE her & Randall. She was a wild child that always got what she wanted, no matter what she had to do to get it.

Okay, so she's a slut. But sleeping around with everyone in sight is a bit different than beating, stalking, and trying to shoot someone to death.

Okay, so she's a slut. But sleeping around with everyone in sight is a bit different than beating, stalking, and trying to shoot someone to death.

Well, she was the one holding the gun in the car when she was supposedly kidnapped. Now I personally have never been in that situation, but I would think that if I had the only gun in my hand, I would consider who should be afraid for their life. And I don't think it would be me. If he really wanted to die, I could help him with that.

All I'm saying is that she was just as much a part in that whole thing as he was, yet everyone only blames Randall. He was led on, baited, betrayed, and then arrested. When witnesses come forward telling the police that SHE was stalking HIM and it was not investigated, that's not how it's supposed to work. The whole "justice" system was not in play. They were only worried about making an example out of him.

I believe that if anyone really wanted to see justice done, then a change in venue should have been granted, new lawyers, new judge, and new investigators that would look into her also. But that wasn't going to happen here. The system bled his family dry and there was no more that they could do. He had no choice but to run. He's the one who has to look over his shoulder for the rest of his life, not her.

Sounds like starbaby either is Randall or is best buds with him trying to justify his actions. You've seen her around huh? Sounds like Randall, still stalking his old girlfriend..

Yes, that's right, I'm stalking the woman. Living in a small town and working in a store where everybody shops has nothing to do with seeing her around.

Or maybe I am Randall, I just in the last few years developed tits!

And no, we weren't best buds, just friends. And I don't think he got a fair shake.

You people go on believing whatever you want. You should know that you can't believe eveything you see on TV. I thought for a while that maybe you all might want to hear some of the other side of the story, but I see that you really don't.

Believe it or not, most people that knew Randall and Deniece know wht really happened. Most understand why he ran. Most know that she is off her rocker. You all didn't know him & only want to believe what you see on TV.

Funny, I noticed that everyone here that did know him understand what really happened. You all can just go on believing what comes out of the mouth of 2 women that were scorned. Hell hath no wrath like a woman scorned.

Randall is alive and living in Omaha...

:It has been awhile since I have read any of the messages on the site, and I was surprise to see the ones from Randall's son and former girlfriend. I did not know about him until about 3 years ago and found out by accident. I did not know where they lived or how to get a hold of them. I hope one day to meet them and let them know that because of what my brother may or may not have done will not keep us from meeting.
If in fact my brother behaved the way that is protrayed, he kept that side of his life from me. I am not by no means condoning his behavior, but it is really hard when you are on this side of he coin. I understand the anger and frustration that his son and my nephew has and I do not blame him. It will be 15 years on July 1 since he escaped and I know his life cannot be easy, but the choices he made was for reasons known only to him.
I never saw this horrible side of my brother, only the fun side he allowed me to see, so in that people should try to understand how hard it is for me to comprehend these stories of abuse, stalking, anger, and strange behavior. I only hope he figures out that running is not the answer and do what is right. I would love to see a picture of Otto, to see if he looks like Randall. If I ever get the chance to meet him that would be one of the high lights in my life. I never thought I would have a blood nephew or neice and to find out this many years later that I do was so exciting. I hope and pray that Otto will not hold anything against me for what my brother did. I would gladly and be proud to welcome him into my family if he wanted to. He does have a aunt (me) an uncle Frank, (2) cousins Mendy and Lori and (3)great cousins who are now 8, 10 and 11 and lots of extended family that would love to meet him.

you think his neices and nephews feel bad..what about his son?!!!!!! do ANY of you know who i am? did any of you know that his ex was pregnent?!
Hello again;
We never knew about you until about 3 years ago and did not know how to get a hold of you. I was told I could not look for you until you was 18 without the consent of your mother. Since I never knew your mother, I did not know how to get in contact with her. I do not even think your mother knew about me. It is a sad case all around. That neice you was responding too is you cousin and she did not know about you. It is just another secret in my brothers life that I had no idea about. We would definately like to get to know you and welcome you into our family. You deserve that much.

Just in case Randall posted somewhere on this forum, or read this later, you are a dork and I hope you get stalked in prison yourself wussy.

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Randall is alive and living in Omaha...

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this post sure deserved more love than it got

This post…this post is the gift that keeps on giving.

I was initially speckticle of believing it could get better than the firsthand accounts of the time Randall Joe Utterback he slip and hurt he’s ankle in the shower. I mean how can you top that? But thank almighty G-d, we learned about Randall’s affinity for Filet-O-Fish sammiches. Last but not least, a poster named “notruth” lives up to their name repeatedly. There's so much more contained in here...and I hope with all my heart it keeps going.


I think, more than anything, we’ve all learned a little something about the suave and genteel culture of the bustling burg of Centralia, Missouri

Actually, I'm in a round about way trying to say that Denise was not exactly faithful to anyone. I know for a fact that she slept with 3 different men in one night. Not a rumor, fact. She was willing.


How do you know this "for a fact"? Did you witness it? Did she herself tell you about it?

I remember lots of stories about the crap she pulled BEFORE her & Randall. She was a wild child that always got what she wanted, no matter what she had to do to get it.

She was a high school girl that broke up several relationships just to toss the guy away after.

So. And. What.

How do any of these allegations absolve Mr. Utterbach of shooting at her car, running her off the road, threatening her life as well as her family’s, and then escaping from prison? And how can you cast aspersions on her character…when he started dating a 17 year old after meeting her as a 31 year old at a high school prom after party?

As was previously said, even if the girl sexed up the entire population of Centralia, he’s the one responsible for his actions. Blaming others for their problems and declaring that they only lashed out because they were driven to it is what children do. Saying that she’s just as much at fault because she wrote letters to him and played mind games is like saying women ask to get raped by wearing revealing clothes.

What bothers me is that some have said UM "overdramatized" things. What, you think they just added in the part with gun? :rolleyes: UM didn't get everything right 100% of the time but they also didn't randomly throw in acts to make those wanted look worse than they were.

I agree with Corky. It's just sickening that people think that he shouldn't be accountable for what he did. Regardless of what his girlfriend did, it was wrong.

What bothers me is that some have said UM "overdramatized" things. What, you think they just added in the part with gun? :rolleyes: UM didn't get everything right 100% of the time but they also didn't randomly throw in acts to make those wanted look worse than they were.

I agree with Corky. It's just sickening that people think that he shouldn't be accountable for what he did. Regardless of what his girlfriend did, it was wrong.


I have said that before, though not necessarily about this specific case. But I do stand by it. "Overdramatizing" and adding false angles to a story to make people look bad are two completely different things. You are correct about UM not getting everything right 100% of the time.

One case I feel that was overdramatized was the Dana Point Jane Doe. People have pointed the finger at the cab driver, saying that it was his fault that she killed herself because he didn't take pity on her and drive her further. That is totally ridiculous. How do we even know that this really happened? Does anyone know for sure that the girl didn't have enough money to go as far as she wanted, and the cabbie had to drop her off at the cliff? What if she specifically asked to go there? I feel that such details are trivial and are probably added to the case by the UM writers to fill in gaps in a story, as I doubt they would even know about the specific conversation that actually took place between the Jane Doe and the cabbie. It is a recreation. The segment scripts are not always verbatim, because small details like that are impossible to know. It's common sense. It irks me that people grab such a trivial piece of "acting" and use it to point the finger at someone who had nothing to do with the girl jumping off a cliff.

If you are going to hold someone accountable, hold the right person accountable for the right reasons.

Anyway, I will get off my soapbox and get back on topic.

^^ I definitely agree with you about that, I just don't think it really applied to this particular case.

As for that overdramatization, I always wondered if the cab driver himself had claimed this was what happened? That he had dropped her off there because she was short on money? It's hard to say, really.

The reason people have so many comments and ideas about Randall is because they have seen a on his story on a nationally televised episode of Unsolved Mysteries that was repeated numerous times in syndication and that is all they know. Right or wrong, that is all we have to go on.

That being said, I really doubt you'll find much support for your brother on these forums.

Sisilyg5, I totally understand where you are coming from. My dad snapped and committed a crime and ended up in a fatal police shootout. A small town that knew my family. Most knew us enough, but for people who only got their information from the news and/or newspaper, the side was differed and some of those opinion hurt and still do.

That being said, you have to understand our point here. We do not know your brother. All we have is the UM segment and/or research some of our poster do from time to time. I'm sure Randall was a great brother and relative and I can tell you miss him. You're a good sister to defend him since he is not here to do it himself. However, he is not defending himself because he ran away from his actions and did not face them as an adult should. Also, when you come onto a site like this, yes there is going to be an opinion or two and that includes saying things that hurt. In this case, there is a criminal record to back up our opinion. Sorry.

Denise may be a complete sleaze and man eater off camera, but that doesn't matter. Your brother was abusive during their relationship. When Denise said it was over, THAT'S HER RIGHT. At that point, he needed to stop and change direction because as heartbroken as he was, that part of his life was over. Randall crossed a line not once or twice, but multiple times.

You're a good sister to stick up for your brother, but don't chastise us because we do not feel the same way. If it upsets you so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading these posts.

So Utterback is still on the run? Anyone think it's possible that he's dead? I just don't see how he'd be able to be on the run for this long without any sightings of him. What was his jail sentence, I can't remember?

I think this was the story that had one of my favorite Stack lines. The girl said something along the lines of "If I didn't take him back, he said I should just stab him right through the heart" then Stack came on and said "OF COURSE she refused." I might be misremembering

I think this was the story that had one of my favorite Stack lines. The girl said something along the lines of "If I didn't take him back, he said I should just stab him right through the heart" then Stack came on and said "OF COURSE she refused." I might be misremembering

Yep, that's also been a personal favorite Stackism of mine as well.

What was his jail sentence, I can't remember?

He was never given a jail sentence, because he fled before he could go to trial. A few months after being arrested and charged, he escaped from custody while en route to a hospital.

He was never given a jail sentence, because he fled before he could go to trial. A few months after being arrested and charged, he escaped from custody while en route to a hospital.

I'm not sure about the legality of it all, but could he still be prosecuted for the crimes? What about the statue of limitations?

Just rewatched this case.

I just have to say that even if these allegations against Denise are true, they do not excuse Mr. Utterback's actions. Period. I would also like to know what the statute of limitations is for these charges and if there's much else that's come to light recently.

if the allegations against denise are true, it says a lot about her morals and character....women cant have it both ways, there are consequences of sleeping around with many partners....it's like when a guy cheats, a woman does something for revenge and it's like he deserved it. We have heard this story countless times.....

if the allegations against denise are true, it says a lot about her morals and character....women cant have it both ways, there are consequences of sleeping around with many partners....it's like when a guy cheats, a woman does something for revenge and it's like he deserved it. We have heard this story countless times.....

I seriously hope you don't mean that Randall's attack was warranted if the allegations are true. Promiscuity and cheating still don't make shooting, stalking, and kidnapping permissible. And it wouldn't be permissible if the male had been doing such things and the woman had gotten her "revenge" this way, either.

Sisilyg5, I totally understand where you are coming from. My dad snapped and committed a crime and ended up in a fatal police shootout. A small town that knew my family. Most knew us enough, but for people who only got their information from the news and/or newspaper, the side was differed and some of those opinion hurt and still do.

That being said, you have to understand our point here. We do not know your brother. All we have is the UM segment and/or research some of our poster do from time to time. I'm sure Randall was a great brother and relative and I can tell you miss him. You're a good sister to defend him since he is not here to do it himself. However, he is not defending himself because he ran away from his actions and did not face them as an adult should. Also, when you come onto a site like this, yes there is going to be an opinion or two and that includes saying things that hurt. In this case, there is a criminal record to back up our opinion. Sorry.

Denise may be a complete sleaze and man eater off camera, but that doesn't matter. Your brother was abusive during their relationship. When Denise said it was over, THAT'S HER RIGHT. At that point, he needed to stop and change direction because as heartbroken as he was, that part of his life was over. Randall crossed a line not once or twice, but multiple times.

You're a good sister to stick up for your brother, but don't chastise us because we do not feel the same way. If it upsets you so much, maybe you shouldn't be reading these posts.
Thanks for commenting about this. I must admit yes some of the comments were and are hurtful and through all these years I have gone through roller coaster of emotions. Everyone has a right to their opinions and thank you for yours. Right or wrong, my brother needs to take responsibility for his actions and until he takes responsibility I can only hope he is still alive.

Just rewatched this case.

I just have to say that even if these allegations against Denise are true, they do not excuse Mr. Utterback's actions. Period. I would also like to know what the statute of limitations is for these charges and if there's much else that's come to light recently.
From what I have been told, there is no statue of limitations because he was never convicted for the crime. In fact, I am sure he will get added charges when or if he is ever found. I have not heard of any updated information but if I do, I will definately post. thanks for your post. Randall's sister, Susan

From what I have been told, there is no statue of limitations because he was never convicted for the crime. In fact, I am sure he will get added charges when or if he is ever found. I have not heard of any updated information but if I do, I will definately post. thanks for your post. Randall's sister, Susan

I can only imagine how much pain you've gone through having this hang over your head and of course concern for his welfare regardless of anything he did. That's a lot of stress to deal with and must be very upsetting. I hope that what I said did not cause you any offense or anything like that.

I grew up around Randal. He looks rough in the mugshots but was always real into nice stuff. he always had the best stereo equipment and road racing bicycles. He usually had at least 2 crotch rocket motorcycles that were extremely souped up. He liked to go really fast. He was actually pretty flashy and had quite a bit of cash because he is the type of guy that would work three jobs. As far as the ex-girlfriend, she liked to start crap and get revenge on people. I have no doubt that he wanted her back but I don't think he went nuts on her. Knowing her and him I'm pretty sure she said that to get him in trouble with the police. As far as being in Missouri I would bet anything that he is not. He is known to be a pretty crafty and I would bet he is in another state working in a factory saving all of his cash for quick moves so that whenever they show him on T.V. he can jump up and move on a moments notice. As for England, I could see that. I'm telling you Randall could be anyone he wanted to be. He can dress the part and have the accent. He did pretty good interpretations.
no you are not randall LOL. you seem like maybe you are just his secretary.

Wow, one of the best threads I've ever read on here. So here is my opinion. I understand randall's family and friends that love him. no he did not committ a terrible crime like some of the others we have seen on UM that make us lose sleep at night. So I'm not going to say he's a terrible person without knowing him personally.

BUT

He still did something wrong or he wouldn't have been arrested multiple times and then run away from everything. By now he could have had this completely behind him and done something positive with his life. He did this to himself and hurt his family with his actions.

If the victim lied about him or if UM was overdramatic I really don't care. Afterall she was only 18 years old and he was treating her like she was his daughter? Most 18 year olds aren't ready for that and at some point want to be young and into other people their age as well. That's why you see so many people get married young only to get divorced after a few years of marriage. I'm sure randall wouldn't have wanted a 30 year old woman telling him what to do when he was an 18 year old kid. He probably would have tapped. This is all just speculation on my part.

Maybe it wasn't right at the end of the day what she did or how UM only showed one side, but he is the one that ran and we only have the UM segment to go by because he never stepped up to face the charges and give his side of the story. spells GUILTY in my book. At least this case didn't end like the jim burnside case.

im sure that i probably know more about this case than most of you because im was friends with both randall and his accuser. anyone who knows the both of them knows the truth of who is the criminal in this case
Did you ever see that episode of COPS where the criminal was drunk and slamming his own head on the cop car and then turned to the cops and accused the police officer for police brutality? The officer told the guy you are on camera silly.

I'm just asking because I just wonder if you know who the real criminal was in that case too?

hi there..i dont know if you still get on this page and check the comments anymore..but do you remember randalls girlfriend before denise williams? cathy ? im not obligated to say her lastname due to the fact i really dont know if i can..lol..but she is my mother..and randall is my biological father..if you really are his sister..then u can see a true definition in our different pictures
I have thought of you for so long and the few pictures I have seen of you I definitely can see the resemblance of you and Randall. I am his sister, and I feel so bad for what you and your mom has gone through. I do not have a clue where he is, and nor do I want to see him as long as he is a fugitive. I never knew about you until I was looking on case.net and seen where he was to pay child support. This was in 2005 so I was very shocked to know I had a blood nephew. I never got the chance to meet your mom and I feel really bad for anything he did to her. I wish things could be different and I could meet you but I truly understand the anger you have. Yes I do remember Denise Williams and I actually have videos of them at our house. Never in my wildest dream would I have ever thought I would be in this situation of not knowing where my brother is. But he made the choice to escape and that is something he will have to deal with for the rest of his life. One of my wishes in life is that I get to meet you and your mom and though the relationship between Randall and you is not good, I hope you will find it in your heart to want to meet me one day.

I'm not sure about the legality of it all, but could he still be prosecuted for the crimes? What about the statue of limitations?

The escape would stay any SOL.

If he had not been charged, it would almost certainly be too late to bring charges, but he was charged, he just hasn't faced trial.

And that's the rub for some of his defenders claims. Let's say, for the sake of argument, that Denise did bait him into certain actions or even that she made the whole thing up. That would certainly give him good reason, in my mind, to stay and make sure his side of the story is known. Yes, lawyers are expensive, but I can't think of a better reason to make sure you have one and when the cost is justified.

Wow, quite the magnitude of victim-blaming and downplaying of stalking and attempted murder in here.

I can't believe this sick freakshow has never been found. It's not like this guy is some genius. I hope, at least, that he never sucked another woman into his creep vortex again.

This thread was a great trip down memory lane...

To answer a legal question, egswango was correct. If Randall escaped while he was awaiting trial, the statute of limitations would be tolled because there is an active warrant for his arrest.

And even IF Denise is a big old whore, it in no way excuses Randall for his actions. Everyone makes mistakes. Just suck it up and take responsibility. Sheesh. It's not rocket science, people.

Haha I love the title of this thread.

Haha I love the title of this thread.

I was seriously just about to post the EXACT same thing.

I was seriously just about to post the EXACT same thing.
I love it whenever this thread is bumped for that very reason.

I was seriously just about to post the EXACT same thing.
Awesome

I don't know how this is going to sound, but I see this as a story with both individuals creating a toxic relationship.

What Randall did was WRONG plain and simple.

I see this as a young man who fell in love with a girl who on the outside was beautiful, perfect, and innocent, but in reality was manipulative and played the "I'm a nice, perfect girl card and he's just a terrible person card."

Obviously, Denise was very attractive and excelled at everything. She was a catch. She, like many beautiful girls, used older guys. As a woman claiming to be Randall's sister posted, Denise lived with Randall and he completely took care of her. She also agreed to marry him.

The segment in the car: according to what I have read, Denise admitted in court that she carried a gun in her car and with her.

According to Randall's sister, Denise wrote Randall many letters that led him on.

This is a sad case of young man who fell for a beautiful, seemingly perfect girl and she manipulated him and used him.

She went away to college. I believe that Denise began to outgrow Randall who might not have even graduated from high school. Randall worried that she would meet someone else and anyone who has ever been in a long-distance relationship knows there is always that paranoia. Is she dating someone else? Is he sleeping with the cute girl down the street?

While I don't condone anything Randall did, I believe things spiraled out of control and that the beautiful college student Denise played a much more devious role than victim.

No.

And as someone who is married to someone I've spent a cumulative two years being geographically separated from, I can tell you I've never felt that "paranoia" one is supposedly "always" supposed to feel in so-called long distance relationships. Feeling as though you must constantly question whether your partner is cheating on you is not par for the course.

Amazing that he has eluded capture for 21 years. Frankly I don't care whether she was a legit girl scout or a street walker, he is a lunatic control freak & his behaviour towards any other women he has been involved with since then is likely to not have changed, he escaped justice & needs to serve that time. He also needs help to try to change.

That stuff happens to men & women every day. The majority don't stalk that person, kidnap them & attempt to kill them. She may well have been playing him but it doesn't excuse his behaviour one bit.

I have to back meg here. Long distance relationships are difficult, but when you add trust issues into the equation they can become volatile. Clearly this guy had issues.

RebZissel I have to counter your points of her being manipulative and choosing to date an older guy with the same point. Why is a 30 year old supposed grown man(which he was not mentally) opting to date a high school/college aged girl expecting her to remain completely loyal to him 24/7? Most of these types of relationships especially featured by UM don't/didn't end well. See Annette burnside. Bottom line he abused her mentally and physically and he never gave his side of the story because he is a fugitive and a violent criminal. I can't victim blame here. Especially given that she was 18 years old? 18 year olds can't be expected to make the best decisions with relationships. One would hope that a 30 year old would know better here if we are gonna use the age card....

I have to back meg here. Long distance relationships are difficult, but when you add trust issues into the equation they can become volatile. Clearly this guy had issues.

RebZissel I have to counter your points of her being manipulative and choosing to date an older guy with the same point. Why is a 30 year old supposed grown man(which he was not mentally) opting to date a high school/college aged girl expecting her to remain completely loyal to him 24/7? Most of these types of relationships especially featured by UM don't/didn't end well. See Annette burnside. Bottom line he abused her mentally and physically and he never gave his side of the story because he is a fugitive and a violent criminal. I can't victim blame here. Especially given that she was 18 years old? 18 year olds can't be expected to make the best decisions with relationships. One would hope that a 30 year old would know better here if we are gonna use the age card....
Agreed. I would say that Randall is the one who was manipulative and devious. We really have no evidence, but for a few posts on here, that Denise did anything wrong.

Agreed. I would say that Randall is the one who was manipulative and devious. We really have no evidence, but for a few posts on here, that Denise did anything wrong.
For sure...and that is all rumor mill anyway at best. If Randall wants to give his side of the story to contradict UM he's always welcome here...;)

Or better yet turn yourself in for escaping imprisonment then tell your story.

This is why I can't blame Denise because he is the criminal regardless of their age difference. I understand the confusion and at times frustrations between the opposite sex....But that doesn't EVER justify violent criminal activity.

Amazing that he has eluded capture for 21 years. Frankly I don't care whether she was a legit girl scout or a street walker, he is a lunatic control freak & his behaviour towards any other women he has been involved with since then is likely to not have changed, he escaped justice & needs to serve that time. He also needs help to try to change.

Amen. That is the bottom line.

He doesn't strike me as someone who is smart enough to hide on his own. He remains in hiding with the help of his family members, I suspect. Just like Jesse James Hollywood. But at least he was eventually captured. 21 years is pretty crazy.

Amen. That is the bottom line.

He doesn't strike me as someone who is smart enough to hide on his own. He remains in hiding with the help of his family members, I suspect. Just like Jesse James Hollywood. But at least he was eventually captured. 21 years is pretty crazy.

Whenever family members help a wanted fugitive hide out for an extended period of time, I always wonder how they would handle things if that person died. If Randall was to, say, commit suicide or die of natural causes, how does his family have him declared dead or give him a proper burial without implicating themselves and revealing that they committed a crime by aiding and abetting a known fugitive?

The thing with Randall is that he had obvious rage and self-control issues and it's hard to believe that someone like that could remain off the radar so long without doing SOMETHING to get themselves in trouble again. The fact that Randall has not been seen for 21 years makes me wonder if he might be dead and his family disposed of his body somewhere to avoid implicating themselves.

Whenever family members help a wanted fugitive hide out for an extended period of time, I always wonder how they would handle things if that person died. If Randall was to, say, commit suicide or die of natural causes, how does his family have him declared dead or give him a proper burial without implicating themselves and revealing that they committed a crime by aiding and abetting a known fugitive?

The thing with Randall is that he had obvious rage and self-control issues and it's hard to believe that someone like that could remain off the radar so long without doing SOMETHING to get themselves in trouble again. The fact that Randall has not been seen for 21 years makes me wonder if he might be dead and his family disposed of his body somewhere to avoid implicating themselves.

That's certainly a possibility. And it would help explain him being able to "hide" for so long.

A family that helps their criminal member hide from authorities is not going to worry too much about having him/her declared legally dead, I would suspect. They could still have some sort of sendoff for them and continue to play dumb so they don't implicate themselves.

That could be the case here. But we just don't know.

I agree with you guys 100%, I can't blame Denise she was a young girl and at that age your not known for making the best decisions because your inexperienced; Randall however was at an age to know better to not date a girl just out of high school, he should have found someone his own age! He took advantage of her plain & simple and when he found out she wasn't so easily fooled by his shenanigans she got the hell outta dodge, I cant blame her one bit!

Sorry guys,

The nice high school/college girls aren't always so innocent. I even bet their relationship wasn't platonic. It takes two to tango.

Uh, what? Whoever implied it WAS platonic? And even if it wasn't, how does this tarnish Denise as an individual?

An interesting post I found about this:

" Submitted on Tue, 10/14/2014 - 07:32

I have known Randall for several years before Randall and Denise got together. He was a nice,caring,loving person. Once him and Denise got together she told him he had to lose all his female friends. So of course we quit talking. I think this is a made up story. I can't see Randall doing any of this. I have seen Randall with other girls. And when his other girlfriends broke up with him. He never stalked them. I think she made up this story. Cause she knew she would get a lot of attention for a bogus story

Submitted on Mon, 02/09/2015 - 11:40

yes it's made up!! She got pissed off because he would not marry her. Randall Was not in love with the girl! He was still in love with Karen. Said that she was the only girl for him. And he didn't chase her or stalk her. Why would he stalk a girl or make her enroll in a college near him. He tried to get her to enroll farther away. Randall did not like guns, so why would he have one? And if he told her that he didn't want to live, just to stab him. Where the hell is the knife in this scenario? You don't bring a knife to a gunfight! The last time that I talked to Randall, Denise was there & she was as hateful as hateful could be. She is the one that didn't want Randall to have any friends. And she says she's living in fear! The only fear she has is that some day the truth will come out. Randall, wherever you are, Happy Belated Birthday, & I hope you are having a Great Life! If you only Knew how many people are behind you in this bull*($# lie. And do think she is doing this out of spite because you would not marry her. I think she was freaking out because she thought her parents would find out that she lied about the schooling & sneaking out to see Randall. Yes, there is abuse in the world, & I feel for them, I really do, But when you have these ones that accuse the innocent, They need to be charged for being a stupid Idiot. Randall, you could be living in my back yard, or in my basement, I would never tell. A lot of people feel this way!! And Danielle, Just to let you know, He is not Dead!"

Yes, I have seen some messages elsewhere about this case like this as well-anonymous unverified people & like yourself seem to have a problem with the victim, while thinking this guy is great. Family members maybe? Men who think women should keep their mouths shut & stay in the kitchen & get a slap when they don't? Maybe the man himself?

They seem intent on painting the person found guilty & convicted as some kind of boy scout & the victim as some kind of horrible person who bought everything on herself & somehow deserved it. If this particular person is telling the truth at the end they have withheld information about a fugitive from the authorities, helping him to escape justice & support his behaviour.

The mother of Utterback's son posted on here and stated that Randall abused her while she was pregnant, so he did have a history of the behavior. His friends and family think he was a great guy because he probably did have likeable qualities, that's the side of him that they saw, but he apparently did abuse at least two of his girlfriends.

Just like Richard Bare and Michael Cline, I think he's been careful to stay out of reach. While he's a fugitive, no one is actually looking for him and after two decades, it wouldn't be that difficult for him to have established a new identity and life.

The mother of Utterback's son posted on here and stated that Randall abused her while she was pregnant, so he did have a history of the behavior. His friends and family think he was a great guy because he probably did have likeable qualities, that's the side of him that they saw, but he apparently did abuse at least two of his girlfriends.

Just like Richard Bare and Michael Cline, I think he's been careful to stay out of reach. While he's a fugitive, no one is actually looking for him and after two decades, it wouldn't be that difficult for him to have established a new identity and life.

It always amazes me how family members & buddies will stay loyal to the person whatever-if a relative of mine killed, raped, stalked somebody/kidnapped them & attempted to kill them etc I would disown them immediately.

Do these people never stop to think how they would feel if somebody did this to one of their family members or friends & that individuals relatives/friends defended them to the hilt, blamed the victim for what happened to them etc?

The worst one was that British guy who killed his wife & kid & his parents defended him despite his ludicrous behaviour & story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Entwistle

Sorry guys,

The nice high school/college girls aren't always so innocent. I even bet their relationship wasn't platonic. It takes two to tango.

She had a brain of her own too.

Those 18 year old girls aren't always so innocent. They dated for a year. She lived with him and used him.

Randall definitely took the situation to an extreme, but Denise wasn't just some innocent girl.
So that warrants being abused and threatened with a gun? As I recall she isnt the criminal he is. If she was as devious as his supporters claim all he had to do was move on with his life and look to date a person of his age. That probably would have worked better.

And we only have her story and her testimony.

What about others who claim Denise stalked him and was constantly stirring up drama?

The car chase - did that actually happen the way it was portrayed or are we basing it solely on what Denise said? I believe it is the latter.
Well when he turns himself in to authorities for escaping from jail and faces the charges that were filed against him by authorities maybe we will get his side of the story and we can revisit the topic. I cannot defend a fugitive and he deserved the portrayal he got!! And it's not like these are alleged only...he was charged was he not?

The worst one was that British guy who killed his wife & kid & his parents defended him despite his ludicrous behaviour & story.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neil_Entwistle

Oh, I'm familiar with that one. It’s on a 20/20 episode I have. Killing his wife was bad enough, but he had to be particularly evil to shoot his baby like that, she couldn’t have been more than a handful of months old.

So that warrants being abused and threatened with a gun? As I recall she isnt the criminal he is. If she was as devious as his supporters claim all he had to do was move on with his life and look to date a person of his age. That probably would have worked better.

Yeah but that would have involved using logic and sense. And those weren't exactly strengths of his.

It doesn't matter if she was the biggest user on the planet. Nothing justifies what he did and the lengths he went to. He gets zero sympathy from me.

I may be out of line for asking this, but Reb, is there some personal reason you are so adamant in defending Randall Utterback?

Not at all. I am not defending him, but I believe Denise earned her fair share of the blame for this whole situation.

So you do think she is to blame for the crimes committed against her?

Of course not. Randall took it to an extreme.

But you assert that Denise "earned her fair share of the blame", and that she is "culpable".

Interesting.

Did you ever have the urge to bang your head against the wall? This thread kind of makes me want to.

The UM segment was certainly biased in Denise's favor.No one was stopping Randall from telling his side of the story.

No one was stopping Randall from telling his side of the story.
That's my problem with this whole argument. Of course there are almost always two sides to every story. But we only have one side because the criminal chose not to face the justice system. So now all of those that support him can't even do it if they wanted to(legally). Typing support for him for on a computer behind closed doors doesn't hold any weight. What holds weight for me is that he's caught or turns himself in and then those supporters testify under oath and we hear his story under oath as well. Until then he's nothing more than a cowardly criminal and Denise is the innocent victim.

I'm starting to think Reb IS Randall Utterback.

Nerdy? Doesn't sound like it. It sounds like he was a cool older guy in town.



Ok I get that....and the portrayal does make him nerdy or maybe cool as you say if you like UMs own Matthew Mac dazed and confused guy...there's always one. I don't see that as a manly trait but to each their own. And I'm sure like someone else already pointed out....people that liked him may have watched it and got upset with what they saw.

With that said I still don't have a problem with UM's portrayal even if it was biased because he is a fugitive. Like many other fugitives profiled they got a one sided story based on the knowledge of the laws that were broken and other accounts that were given at that time. And then of course the show is a production that has to reach viewers so there is show biz factor.

I can't recall many people rushing to the support of other fugitives that were profiled(other than maybe family members). in some stories people that liked the fugitive were the ones that did the right thing and turned them in so that justice could be served.

Did you ever have the urge to bang your head against the wall? This thread kind of makes me want to.

I'm doing my best to stay out of it.

But yes. You're not alone.

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Randall would be 53 this year and I believe that looking back on his 30 year old self he realized he made five mistakes.

1- He fell head over heels in love with a cute 18 year old high school girl.

2- He should have realized that she was probably using him for money and a place to live, for rides, and so forth.

3- If she was as manipulative and conniving as those from the town who knew her described her, then he should have stayed away.

4- Confronting her the first time after chasing her car, which I believe was just an ongoing pattern of fighting and making up, was a mistake. I am convinced that she just chose to call the police then because she wanted him to suffer.

5- Confronting her the second time was a major mistake. Even if she did carry a gun, Randall bringing a gun was a mistake. Also- in court she admitted that they spoke before they got into the car together and she agreed to marry him. So did she embellish the danger of the car ride? Randall wanted to make up and get back together and was dramatic enough to tell her that without her he had no reason to live. Foolish, but he was desperate. My instinct tells me they partly made up but then she called the police even after she said she would marry him before the car ride as she stated in court.

6. Escaping from jail and not defending his case if he had a leg to stand on. Or just admitting his mistakes and facing the punishment. By now his time would be served and he'd be back to crashing HS proms legally.

I think we all DO have an understanding of the Utterback case. I've said this in other threads, in addition to this one:

I don't care if Denise is the biggest whore on the block and ran around naked in all her glory all the live long day for everyone to see. I don't care if she WAS a manipulative eighteen year old who promised him the world to get what she wanted. At the end of the day, it does not matter. She did not deserve what happened to her.

Does Randall Utterback have a side in the story? Of course he does. But instead of choosing to face his charges AND TELL THAT SIDE OF THE STORY, he ran away and hid. So no one knows what his defense would have/ could have been. I've worked both sides of the table in criminal matters. Defense attorneys (myself included) have planted reasonable doubt in the mind of jurors with the "ehh, she's a big slut" defense.

While we're so busy pointing the finger at Denise, did anyone ever stop to consider the fact that Randall was considerably older than her? Even IF Denise was the terrible person that some on here have painted her out to be, shouldn't Randall (in his 12+ years more life experience) have caught onto that and stopped associating with her? Stopped giving her money? Stopped supporting her and giving her a place to live? Instead, he chose to stalk and terrorize her.

He gets no sympathy from me. While I respect the opinions of those who think that he was just some "poor schmuck in love who got burned by a femme fatale," the fact of the matter is that one person and one person alone is responsible for what happened: Randall Utterback. HE kidnapped Denise. HE stalked her. HE terrorized her.

I'm baffled that there's argument going the other way. At the end of the day, just own your actions. He chose to run away instead.

You have to have a nuanced understanding of the Randall Utterback case.

Just like everything else in life. It's not cut and dry, nor black and white.
so unless you have inside information you are going off of what people have said here and on the internet to defend him? What about the other people that said Randall was abusive to them as well should we discard that or treat it as fact?

To me the most telling info on Randall and the main reason he was featured is that he escaped from jail and did not face his charges. We can sit here and debate a lot of things about this case, but how is that defendable? or at least how is it not on your top 5 listing of utterback mistakes...

If I remember correctly, Randall was facing one of two possibilities:

75 years.

or

3 life sentences.

Wouldn't that make anyone want to escape?

Well I've never committed a crime that made me feel like I needed to escape from jail so I can't answer that 100%. But if I did get arrested for something I'd like to think I would own up for my actions and face my punishment. On the flip side if I were innocent I wouldn't commit a crime to rebel against the system and leave my family behind forever. I would fight through the court until I got justice. This is a weak argument so now I feel like you are just doing a bit.

I'm not doing a "bit."

Denise played the "Damsel in Distress" card very well. The cards were stacked against him.

I believe the trial would have inevitably sent him away to prison so he panicked.

Dallas Texan- maybe you have a better moral compass than Randall. Not everyone wants to face the music.
Ok so if it's not a bit....None of those excuse him of his actions. He's the only one of the two that is a current fugitive, but you seem to be ok with people escaping from jail if they were wronged by their boyfriend/girlfriend who is accusing them of a crime? That isn't a case of morality it's a case of legality and it is illegal and therefore wrong no matter what your morals are.

You have to have a nuanced understanding of the Randall Utterback case.

Just like everything else in life. It's not cut and dry, nor black and white.Everything, you say? Where's the grey area in the Original Night Stalker case?

Reb, you strike me as a pretty intelligent dude.

That being said... Please do some research about the psychology between a victim of domestic violence and the abuser. The dynamics are very similar to what is shown in Randall and Denise's relationship.

Did Denise do all those things? Quite possibly. Why? Because she's acting in self-preservation. She's going to do or say ANYTHING to keep herself safe. That includes being intimate with him. That includes agreeing to marry him. That includes getting in a car with him.

I'm sorry. You're not convincing me. Denise is a victim. Randall is a fugitive. Nothing else to say.

I think we all DO have an understanding of the Utterback case. I've said this in other threads, in addition to this one:

I don't care if Denise is the biggest whore on the block and ran around naked in all her glory all the live long day for everyone to see. I don't care if she WAS a manipulative eighteen year old who promised him the world to get what she wanted. At the end of the day, it does not matter. She did not deserve what happened to her.

Does Randall Utterback have a side in the story? Of course he does. But instead of choosing to face his charges AND TELL THAT SIDE OF THE STORY, he ran away and hid. So no one knows what his defense would have/ could have been. I've worked both sides of the table in criminal matters. Defense attorneys (myself included) have planted reasonable doubt in the mind of jurors with the "ehh, she's a big slut" defense.

While we're so busy pointing the finger at Denise, did anyone ever stop to consider the fact that Randall was considerably older than her? Even IF Denise was the terrible person that some on here have painted her out to be, shouldn't Randall (in his 12+ years more life experience) have caught onto that and stopped associating with her? Stopped giving her money? Stopped supporting her and giving her a place to live? Instead, he chose to stalk and terrorize her.

He gets no sympathy from me. While I respect the opinions of those who think that he was just some "poor schmuck in love who got burned by a femme fatale," the fact of the matter is that one person and one person alone is responsible for what happened: Randall Utterback. HE kidnapped Denise. HE stalked her. HE terrorized her.

I'm baffled that there's argument going the other way. At the end of the day, just own your actions. He chose to run away instead.
I agree I'm baffled too. for his supporters that do not know him personally I wonder if this is an issue of a perceived lack of gender fairness under the eyes of the law. Maybe you can clear that up a little? I do not have that opinion personally...In this case the guy ran so we don't know what the final outcome would have been. Most of us conclude he must have been guilty.

6. Escaping from jail and not defending his case if he had a leg to stand on. Or just admitting his mistakes and facing the punishment. By now his time would be served and he'd be back to crashing HS proms legally.

^ This.

I think we all DO have an understanding of the Utterback case. I've said this in other threads, in addition to this one:

I don't care if Denise is the biggest whore on the block and ran around naked in all her glory all the live long day for everyone to see. I don't care if she WAS a manipulative eighteen year old who promised him the world to get what she wanted. At the end of the day, it does not matter. She did not deserve what happened to her.

Does Randall Utterback have a side in the story? Of course he does. But instead of choosing to face his charges AND TELL THAT SIDE OF THE STORY, he ran away and hid. So no one knows what his defense would have/ could have been. I've worked both sides of the table in criminal matters. Defense attorneys (myself included) have planted reasonable doubt in the mind of jurors with the "ehh, she's a big slut" defense.

While we're so busy pointing the finger at Denise, did anyone ever stop to consider the fact that Randall was considerably older than her? Even IF Denise was the terrible person that some on here have painted her out to be, shouldn't Randall (in his 12+ years more life experience) have caught onto that and stopped associating with her? Stopped giving her money? Stopped supporting her and giving her a place to live? Instead, he chose to stalk and terrorize her.

He gets no sympathy from me. While I respect the opinions of those who think that he was just some "poor schmuck in love who got burned by a femme fatale," the fact of the matter is that one person and one person alone is responsible for what happened: Randall Utterback. HE kidnapped Denise. HE stalked her. HE terrorized her.

I'm baffled that there's argument going the other way. At the end of the day, just own your actions. He chose to run away instead.

^ AND this.

I think we all DO have an understanding of the Utterback case. I've said this in other threads, in addition to this one:

I don't care if Denise is the biggest whore on the block and ran around naked in all her glory all the live long day for everyone to see. I don't care if she WAS a manipulative eighteen year old who promised him the world to get what she wanted. At the end of the day, it does not matter. She did not deserve what happened to her.

Does Randall Utterback have a side in the story? Of course he does. But instead of choosing to face his charges AND TELL THAT SIDE OF THE STORY, he ran away and hid. So no one knows what his defense would have/ could have been. I've worked both sides of the table in criminal matters. Defense attorneys (myself included) have planted reasonable doubt in the mind of jurors with the "ehh, she's a big slut" defense.

While we're so busy pointing the finger at Denise, did anyone ever stop to consider the fact that Randall was considerably older than her? Even IF Denise was the terrible person that some on here have painted her out to be, shouldn't Randall (in his 12+ years more life experience) have caught onto that and stopped associating with her? Stopped giving her money? Stopped supporting her and giving her a place to live? Instead, he chose to stalk and terrorize her.

He gets no sympathy from me. While I respect the opinions of those who think that he was just some "poor schmuck in love who got burned by a femme fatale," the fact of the matter is that one person and one person alone is responsible for what happened: Randall Utterback. HE kidnapped Denise. HE stalked her. HE terrorized her.

I'm baffled that there's argument going the other way. At the end of the day, just own your actions. He chose to run away instead.

http://33.media.tumblr.com/f2d94a096c074c1674484533a1a41f47/tumblr_inline_nl560yT79C1s994jp.gif

What I remember most about this case was Randall kidnapping Denise and forcing her into his car and driving away at a high speed with Denise pleading for him to allow her to get her feet and legs into the car. She could have easily slipped out and smacked her head against the road and been killed in a horrific fashion. I don't remember what the charges what Utterback were or if it was mentioned, but they should have nailed him for attempted murder.

In regards to what Denise went through with the car, ain't nobody going to bring that on themselves. It must have been a very terrifying and traumatizing experience.

What I remember most about this case was Randall kidnapping Denise and forcing her into his car and driving away at a high speed with Denise pleading for him to allow her to get her feet and legs into the car. She could have easily slipped out and smacked her head against the road and been killed in a horrific fashion. I don't remember what the charges what Utterback were or if it was mentioned, but they should have nailed him for attempted murder.

In regards to what Denise went through with the car, ain't nobody going to bring that on themselves. It must have been a very terrifying and traumatizing experience.
I would like to review this segment haven't seen it in a while but I've seen it countless times. Funny thing is the very first time I saw it I thought he was nerdy and possessive. I have to say this is one of the best titled threads ever.

I would like to review this segment haven't seen it in a while but I've seen it countless times. Funny thing is the very first time I saw it I thought he was nerdy and possessive. I have to say this is one of the best titled threads ever.

As D.J. Tanner on Full House would say, he's a "nerdbomber".

Been wanting to use that word for a while now.:)

As D.J. Tanner on Full House would say, he's a "nerdbomber".

Been wanting to use that word for a while now.:)
Haha......ok I rewatched it albeit in French and he's just as nerdy. The actor really was nerdy. And the long hair pic doesn't help. He looks kind of like geddy lee from rush

And the long hair pic doesn't help. He looks kind of like geddy lee from rush

With the HUGE exception that Geddy Lee actually is cool. :cool:

With the HUGE exception that Geddy Lee actually is cool. :cool:
Very much so....an older cool guy ;) 😉

I see I took an unpopular position, but I am still convinced that both are to blame for what happened.http://unsolved.com/sites/default/files2/wan_randall_utterback2.jpg

She isn't fooling me.
Do you take the same position against Randall's ex that has come on here? What about his abandoned son? Was it their fault too?

http://cdn.meme.am/instances/250x250/60399402.jpg

Otto most certainly is his son. The resemblance is uncanny.

I do not know about the situation there and won't comment about it because he identified himself and his mother on this message board.

Randall did have a rocky relationship with Otto's mother. I won't comment on it further.
Ok well I think we all have to take what people post on here with a grain of salt if that's the right expression. We don't know who they are and what details they really know. We also don't know what Randall May or may not have even told them about his relationship with Denise. In small towns people talk and spread rumors anyway without even knowing what is true and what is not. It happens on these boards as well when we get random posts from people that claim to know something. I don't know how someone can take their words and use them as supporting details for this case but I guess that's what we do.

Yet aside from that you have two people that identified themselves and went on record attacking Randall's actions as a boyfriend deadbeat dad etc. this would show a negative pattern in his behavior that is on record. So what we have is two different parties that have put their names out there accusing him of domestic violence/mental/verbal abuse and then a bunch of other parties(other than his sister who has been rather neutral and fair considering her position)who have come on here slinging mud at Denise for being manipulative and promiscuous(as many 18 year olds are and allegedly Randall was himself but that's no issue with these folks?) Then you have Randall himself who has never shared his side unless he was behind some of these posts which is possible.

Whether you see it as immoral or not...Being manipulative and promiscuous is not a crime. And it may very well be the case that both Randall and Denise did that to one another or it may have been one sided. We don't know for sure.



But violating a restraining order is a crime...even if Denise provoked him to which may or may not be true.

Shooting at someone is a crime.

Domestic violence is a serious crime and breaking out of jail is a serious crime.

When I look at all these factors and a pattern of disregard for basic laws that aren't hard for the average citizen to follow... I simply cannot defend such a person and will not agree with someone who does.

Nothing personal Reb I respect your opinion and your hard stance. other than this thread I've always been cool with your postings. I also respect your decision not to post about Randall's son and his mother. I wish them the best and hope all is well with them. I will end by saying if I would lean to believe anyone that came on here so far that claims to know Randall or Denise, I would believe what they have to say...which just further implicates him as a criminal beyond his felonious criminal actions with Denise.

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Love that movie.

This is one case I haven't seen but my my my what has happened in this thread.

Otto most certainly is his son. The resemblance is uncanny.

I do not know about the situation there and won't comment about it because he identified himself and his mother on this message board.

Randall did have a rocky relationship with Otto's mother. I won't comment on it further.

So what you're saying is that you won't comment on or believe in something because it's an unverified post coming from an unknown person on the internet, yet you will believe unverified posts coming from unknown persons on the internet if it fits your preconceived notions that 18 year old girls are crafty, cunning and manipulative to older men and devote their lives to entrapping them into committing crimes.

Does that just about cover it?

So what you're saying is that you won't comment on or believe in something because it's an unverified post coming from an unknown person on the internet, yet you will believe unverified posts coming from unknown persons on the internet if it fits your preconceived notions that 18 year old girls are crafty, cunning and manipulative to older men and devote their lives to entrapping them into committing crimes.

Does that just about cover it?

With apologies to Don Henley, wiseguy seems to have gotten down to the heart of the matter.

So what you're saying is that you won't comment on or believe in something because it's an unverified post coming from an unknown person on the internet, yet you will believe unverified posts coming from unknown persons on the internet if it fits your preconceived notions that 18 year old girls are crafty, cunning and manipulative to older men and devote their lives to entrapping them into committing crimes.

Does that just about cover it?

Ding-Ding-Ding!!! We have a winner. You get the post of the day award.

This level of victim blaming by Reb has made me go from stunned to just plain fascinated.

Of course she calls the police and claims evil Randall is out to get me, but neglects to mention that she and Randall were still a semi-broken up couple.

And I'll tell you why: because it doesn't matter.

You can't have it both ways. You can't claim to be a victim, but also bait the alleged criminal.

What you can't do is 1) commit a crime, and then 2) blame it on the victim--regardless of whether she was attempting to emotionally manipulate the perpetrator or not. I do certainly agree that the emotional state of the perpetrator should be considered when the court moves to convict. But it absolutely does not negate the fact that a crime was committed, nor does it make the victim culpable in the commission of that crime. You are ultimately responsible for your own actions. Period.

'Alleged' criminal? I see five charges here:

http://www.audrainsheriff.com/www/audrain_wanted/wanted_persons/rjutterback/rjutterback.html?rss=false

No.

I believe Otto and his mother. I just remember reading his mother scolding him for using their names and posting on here. Randall and Denise can be discussed ad nauseum because they were featured on television.

It's just that legally I don't believe we should discuss their private lives (Otto and his mother).
I have to agree with wiseguy here. It's strange to support the accounts from the unverified posters over the verified ones. I think it's noble to respect their privacy...from my perspective they gave a lot of information on their own accord to further support Denise's account without ever mentioning her at all. The other posters victim blame and go out of their way to give a one sided view of Randall and justify his crimes. But I see none of his supporters have confronted the mothers post who basically paints Randall in the same light Denise did just without the nerdy reenactment. IIRC go back and read her entire post only one sentence did she scold her son for using his name, but went on to provide a lot of information and is IMO the most truthful and impactful post on this entire thread.

What you can't do is 1) commit a crime, and then 2) blame it on the victim--regardless of whether she was attempting to emotionally manipulate the perpetrator or not. I do certainly agree that the emotional state of the perpetrator should be considered when the court moves to convict. But it absolutely does not negate the fact that a crime was committed, nor does it make the victim culpable in the commission of that crime. You are ultimately responsible for your own actions. Period.

'Alleged' criminal? I see five charges here:

http://www.audrainsheriff.com/www/audrain_wanted/wanted_persons/rjutterback/rjutterback.html?rss=false
I agree with this. That's all that should matter. This thread is a good example of why most abuse victims do not report their crimes. They fear blame and persecution. They fear being put on trial for their actions when in fact they aren't the criminal. The abusive individual banks on this. I read someone defend Randall saying well he hasn't done anything wrong since he escaped......:lol:

Ding-Ding-Ding!!! We have a winner. You get the post of the day award.

This level of victim blaming by Reb has made me go from stunned to just plain fascinated.
+1

I felt Susan, Randall's sister, provided solid insights.

Her photo was available not long ago and it is his sister. The brother and sister look very alike.

I wish someone would make a documentary about this and everyone from both sides would be interviewed.

There's a lot more to Denise than what was portrayed.
Well that could happen if and when Randall gets arrested and goes on trial once and for all. Until then this is just going to go back and forth in the meantime.

I don't believe that 18 year old women are crafty, cunning, etc.

Here is your exact quote

She, like many beautiful girls, used older guys.

Wiseguy - if I remember correctly, you scolded me once for accepting that the mentally ill man who confessed to killing Etan Patz (with no evidence to support that) was the killer. Everyone was jumping on the "it's him" bandwagon. He was found not guilty because of his mental state and lack of evidence.

No. You see that's where you're wrong. You kept insisting the mystery was "solved" and even chided me for "not being up to date on the news." It is not solved, nor has it ever been solved. And even if and when Etan's body is found (he's been missing 36 years and counting) the mystery still may not be solved because there are 2 viable suspects. We don't know what happened. We don't know who did it. Nobody has been convicted. The mystery is not solved. I also have no idea what that has to do with what's being discussed here.

In this case, there are certainly two sides. It's not cut and dry, nor black and white.

There seems to be a consensus among those who claim to be from the area that Denise was lighting the fires and Randall was the one who received all the blame for what happened.

Denise was excellently portrayed as the "perfect honor roll student who bakes cookies all day."

There is more to this story.

You said that Denise was party to blame for this. I ask, why on Earth would you think she would do things to enrage her possessive and psychotic boyfriend (the one she was trying to get away from) to the point he shoots at her, kidnaps her and tries to make off with her with half her body dangling out the car? He could have killed her in a couple different ways, and you state "she is to blame"? In case you haven't noticed, your opinions on this case are getting as 'bout as far as a car with square wheels.

I felt Susan, Randall's sister, provided solid insights.

Her photo was available not long ago and it is his sister. The brother and sister look very alike.

I wish someone would make a documentary about this and everyone from both sides would be interviewed.

There's a lot more to Denise than what was portrayed.
I would still take another ex girlfriend's account of Randall over his sister. His sister may or may not know that side of Randall whereas the ex girlfriend would know if Randall had a possessive abusive side to him. Randall's ex's account sounds strikingly similar to Denise's just without the UM segment.

Not to keep dragging others into this :wave: but Lawyer question....If this were to go to court how would Randall's other abusive relationships come into play?

The UM segment oversimplified a very biased version of events told by Denise Williams and no one else.

Here we go again.

You're judging Randall based on a 15 minute segment. How do you know he was that way?

You're judging Denise based on a handful of posts from unnamed people claiming to be Randall's family members on the internet. There's no one-up there.

I believe that Denise lied and embellished wildly. For example, transferring to a community college closer to Randall. She blames that on him. I don't buy it. Sounds like she was a willing participant who wanted to be close to him and keep an eye on him. A few people here have already said that Denise was possessive of him and stalked him (I presume to make sure he was not out with other women).

"I believe", "I believe", "I believe". You can believe whatever you wish. It doesn't then follow that what you believe is true.

The case was blown way out of proportion. What about the loaded gun she had in the car? The love letters? The calls? The baiting?

Randall Utterback escaped from prison after being charged with 4 other crimes. None of what you stated we know to be true. We DO know, however, that he is a fugitive.

There is no evidence he shot at her or kidnapped her. All you have are two incidents of a heated argument in a car where Randall ends up getting arrested.

She baited him and then when she got angry or displeased with him she called the police.

Apparently the police felt there was enough evidence to charge him with those things, so there's that.

Your schtick's getting kind of stale, man.

I keep imagining Reb arguing the Annette Burnside case from his position. "Well, she made Jim angry by getting that car and job, and taking his children out of his home. She obviously isn't this perfect homemaker who bakes cookies all day--I think she was trying to intentionally incite him because she knew how obsessed he was with her. And she let that male coworker take her to lunch that day--does that sound like an innocent woman? Sounds like she was sleeping with him to make Jim jealous. I'm not buying it." :rolleyes:

sorry to burst all of your bubbles but nobody hear really knows what happened. im gonna go here and say what i have to say because im sick and tired reading b.s. like what megtheegg86 put online or the other silly people out there. i dont know what shtick means and you northerners can keep your slang.

ok here it goes. i knew everyone and everything that happened because i was there. i dont wanna identify myself because i have a family and dont need no more of this b.s. everyone in these parts knows what really happened. i have a front row view to everything.

not to hurt anyones feelings but y'all are just basing your b.s. feelings about this on the unsolved mysteries show that was for entertainment.

its true randall did get the bad end of the deal. rebzisel made some good points. i also read the sister's comments and some others here. not sure what else there is to say. denise was a drama queen and randall was a silly young guy who fell in her traps.

i know everything that happened. dont know what denise is doing now. and dont know where randall is since he escaped.

all i want you to take this message from someone that hates message boards but came on here to set you wacky ppl straight is that what denise said in court and on tv was not the same thing. she was the deceptive type that played randall like a fool. randall is the one that has to suffer becaus of her behavior towards men and getting revenge when her ego didnt get its proper stroking.

speaking as a woman denise was the smart arrogant girl that always had her way. when she didnt get her way she would do all sorts of stuff to people. you can all make assumptions when you see randys face in that mugshot. he was just arrested after she deicided he needed to learn his lesson that she was the top dog and nobody can say anything because she thought she could walk on water like J.C.

i dont know what photo that is used by james. i dont care what you think. everyone attacks the accused. no one knows what happened. randall utterback tried to make it work. she set him up. she manipulated him.

think what you want. we all know what really happened.

I keep imagining Reb arguing the Annette Burnside case from his position. "Well, she made Jim angry by getting that car and job, and taking his children out of his home. She obviously isn't this perfect homemaker who bakes cookies all day--I think she was trying to intentionally incite him because she knew how obsessed he was with her. And she let that male coworker take her to lunch that day--does that sound like an innocent woman? Sounds like she was sleeping with him to make Jim jealous. I'm not buying it." :rolleyes:
You know I've thought of that case too. Fortunately in this case Denise was alive to tell her story and it wasn't her parent speaking on her behalf or a mark Nichols-esque Randall claiming his innocence with his short bus of supporters in tow.

I guess with Denise being strong and speaking out against him publicly comes the critical audience that likes to victim blame instead of standing up against domestic violence.

denise wasnt a victim so much as somebody that been a drama queen.

Thanks for setting the record straight fablady. It is plain you are an impartial witness & not at all a jealous female with a crash on this guy. Nobody is saying or believes she was a girl scout, but he is a control freak who made the wrong choices.

People will make their mind up because he was convicted on evidence & went on the run like a coward-where he has stayed for 21 years, likely with assistance from people with no moral compass.

sorry to burst all of your bubbles but nobody hear really knows what happened. im gonna go here and say what i have to say because im sick and tired reading b.s. like what megtheegg86 put online or the other silly people out there. i dont know what shtick means and you northerners can keep your slang.

ok here it goes. i knew everyone and everything that happened because i was there. i dont wanna identify myself because i have a family and dont need no more of this b.s. everyone in these parts knows what really happened. i have a front row view to everything.

not to hurt anyones feelings but y'all are just basing your b.s. feelings about this on the unsolved mysteries show that was for entertainment.

its true randall did get the bad end of the deal. rebzisel made some good points. i also read the sister's comments and some others here. not sure what else there is to say. denise was a drama queen and randall was a silly young guy who fell in her traps.

i know everything that happened. dont know what denise is doing now. and dont know where randall is since he escaped.

all i want you to take this message from someone that hates message boards but came on here to set you wacky ppl straight is that what denise said in court and on tv was not the same thing. she was the deceptive type that played randall like a fool. randall is the one that has to suffer becaus of her behavior towards men and getting revenge when her ego didnt get its proper stroking.
Hahaha meg is a southerner and so am I and many other regulars on here. You could have left that part off and the part of hating message boards and maybe then People would take you more seriously.

Hahaha meg is a southerner and so am I and many other regulars on here. You could have left that part off and the part of hating message boards and maybe then People would take you more seriously.
:lol: :lol:

I am cracking up and can't wait for Meg to respond.

It's true. I was born, raised, and still live in the South.

Here you go:

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/schtick

you fools can say what you want but none of you know what really happened.

your all wrong about this story. no james im not a jealous woman. i been happily married for 27 years.

dreamer, james, texan you all are fools with no knowledge of what happened. keep being the arrogant know it all brats that you are.
susan, rebzisel and a few from centralia came here and defended someone that got torn in pieces by unsolved mysteries.

you can all attack my writing and spelling. dont mean none of you know anything.

randall got betrayed. denise was the one who lied. perjury is a terrible thing.

some people lie and don't give a rat's @$$ about the people they destroy. thats denice.

denise is a con artist and more than 20 years gone by and look how she still got people believe her.

i have a life. im not a computer geek that sits and argues all day like the rest of you.

all im gonna say is that randy was a good guy and denise turned a few small things into a huge commotion. it was her.

[QUOTE=Fablady1212]you fools can say what you want but none of you know what really happened.

Neither do you obviously

your all wrong about this story. no james im not a jealous woman. i been happily married for 27 years.

What does that prove? Married people are no less immune to jealousy than anybody else.

dreamer, james, texan you all are fools with no knowledge of what happened. keep being the arrogant know it all brats that you are.
susan, rebzisel and a few from centralia came here and defended someone that got torn in pieces by unsolved mysteries.

Did you expect UM to hero worship a convicted & escaped felon?

randall got betrayed. denise was the one who lied. perjury is a terrible thing.

According to you & a few other RU worshipers she lied.

some people lie and don't give a rat's @$$ about the people they destroy. thats denice.

Let us remember that nobody made him stalk her, kidnap her or attempt to kill her. Whether she was the town choir girl or the town bike is irrelevant, whether she led him or whatever else is also irrelevant. He was a grown ass man who rather than cut his losses & walk away made those decisions, was convicted & then ran away like a coward.

denise is a con artist and more than 20 years gone by and look how she still got people believe her.

i have a life. im not a computer geek that sits and argues all day like the rest of you.

all im gonna say is that randy was a good guy and denise turned a few small things into a huge commotion. it was her.

Of course it was-you sound like an unbiased person with your admiration for the convicted felon who has been on the lam for two decades.

I'm appalled that UM would profile a wanted fugitive on national tv and not shed a good light on his story.

I'm appalled that UM would profile a wanted fugitive on national tv and not shed a good light on his story.

Yes, extremely shocking.

I'm appalled that UM would profile a wanted fugitive on national tv and not shed a good light on his story.

You would have though the least they could do is put his side of the story forward. Oh that's right-he was on the run so they only had one viewpoint to go with.

You would have though the least they could do is put his side of the story forward. Oh that's right-he was on the run so they only had one viewpoint to go with.

Hate it when that happens.

Seriously, if anyone personally involved with cases wants to post here, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we absolutely welcome that. But when your first post is full of insults and an overly defensive posture, you greatly risk alienating an audience to which you could have just as easily calmly explained your position. That isn't a guarantee any of us will be persuaded, but it would have made for a far better interaction on both sides of the house.

I'd like to address the recent elephant in the room.

How much longer are we going to pretend that we "don't know" that FabLady is obviously Reb who just made a new account today with a different email address to get some backup to his/her point? It's impressive, attempting a new identity by wording his posts differently and using grammar and spelling that would make a third grader shake their head. Points for creativity? Yes. Is he fooling anyone? No.

Someone mentioned a few pages back that he thought Reb might be Randall. I don't get that impression. But I have thought for the last several pages of this thread that Reb is a relative of Randall's. You're going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise. He's either a relative or just a plain troll.

I've been posting on this forum longer than anyone and during all of those years, I've never seen a poster here, who supposedly has no connection to the case, argue to THIS level against the victim over and over and over....repeating themselves, contradicting themselves and making such little sense in their ramblings for and against something. I mean, come on. We might as well have Denise burned at the stake already. And we all know who is going to have their torch ready first.

I'd like to address the recent elephant in the room.

How much longer are we going to pretend that we "don't know" that FabLady is obviously Reb who just made a new account today with a different email address to get some backup to his/her point? It's impressive, attempting a new identity by wording his posts differently and using grammar and spelling that would make a third grader shake their head. Points for creativity? Yes. Is he fooling anyone? No.

Someone mentioned a few pages back that he thought Reb might be Randall. I don't get that impression. But I have thought for the last several pages of this thread that Reb is a relative of Randall's. You're going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise.

I've been posting on this forum longer than anyone and during all of those years, I've never seen a poster here, who supposedly has no connection to the case, argue to THIS level against the victim over and over and over....repeating themselves, contradicting themselves and making such little sense in their ramblings for and against something. I mean, come on. We might as well have Denise burned at the stake already.


You're a lot quicker than me, dynoguy, because I did think fablady really was someone from the area. I was under the impression this was someone Reb had privately communicated with before and had prodded into posting here to bolster his argument in some way. The timing was extremely suspect to me as we haven't someone saying they're a relative or a local post about this case in YEARS.

Wow, how much has been said in the last few hours!

Y'all, we just got punked and it's hilarious. :lol:

:rotflmao:
The timing really was all too coincidental.

Say "hi," to Randall at your next family reunion, Reb. I would also tell you to tell him to stop being a loser and turn himself into the police but I highly doubt you're going to be up to that.

O.K. Back on topic. Hey, Meg? Did you know that Denise is basically the devil? I've been hearing it (ad nauseam) lately that she basically breathes fire and eats puppy dogs and kittens for lunch.

O.K. Back on topic. Hey, Meg? Did you know that Denise is basically the devil? I've been hearing it (ad nauseam) lately that she basically breathes fire and eats puppy dogs and kittens for lunch.

Lord only know what's in those cookies she's always baking, and the real reason she's a "perfect honor roll student": witchcraft.

Ok, wait a minute, y'all. I just watched the segment again.

Utterback was held without bond on charges of third degree assault, felony stalking, felonious restraint, and armed criminal action. He still has warrants out for those charges. Meaning he never went to trial. He escaped prison before that happened. I am understanding that correctly, right? If so:

all i want you to take this message from someone that hates message boards but came on here to set you wacky ppl straight is that what denise said in court and on tv was not the same thing. she was the deceptive type that played randall like a fool. randall is the one that has to suffer becaus of her behavior towards men and getting revenge when her ego didnt get its proper stroking.

Oops. :D

Ok, wait a minute, y'all. I just watched the segment again.

Utterback was held without bond on charges of third degree assault, felony stalking, felonious restraint, and armed criminal action. He still has warrants out for those charges. Meaning he never went to trial. He escaped prison before that happened. I am understanding that correctly, right? If so:



Oops. :D
Haha you guys are cracking me up. Reb too! I don't think you made another account, but dynoguy wins the Internet lol. I was going to make that joke after some time passed and this thread cools off a bit.


Hmm good observation by Meg. That's southern educated folk at its finest. I mean you have the VOL state all over the place. Is tenn that much farther north than MO? Maybe someone is confusing their coordinates for the wrong mexico.

Haha you guys are cracking me up. Reb too! I don't think you made another account, but dynoguy wins the Internet lol. I was going to make that joke after some time passed and this thread cools off a bit.


Hmm good observation by Meg. That's southern educated folk at its finest. I mean you have the VOL state all over the place. Is tenn that much farther north than MO? Maybe someone is confusing their coordinates for the wrong mexico.

;) :cool:

This thread has seriously gotten so bizarre at this point all you can do is just laugh about it. :lol:

What. The. Hell.

Insane! Just insane developments over these few days. Again, Reb, I urge you: CRACK A BOOK OPEN about domestic violence AND READ IT. Denise is clearly a victim. And spoiler alert: I work with victims of domestic violence daily. None of them are "honor roll students who bake cookies all day long." Nor do we ever portray them that way in court. Why not, you ask? Because it's not believable. Jurors all know there are two sides to a story. Instead of portraying the victim in the best light possible, we (the prosecution) embrace the truth and present the victim as the people they are, warts and all.

NONE OF US believe that Denise is a perfect human being. I think I speak accurately when I state she's a victim of stalking and domestic violence.

Fablady made some comments about people showing up to testify against Denise but were not allowed. Why? SHES NOT THE ONE ON TRIAL. SHE IS THE VICTIM! Sheesh. Stop blaming the victim and start looking at the cold hard facts. Utterback is a fugitive from justice. He did it to himself.

This is starting to get pathetic. And I agree. Reb and Fab are either in cahoots or they are one and the same. And Reb is related to Utterback in some way. Or he IS Utterback.

This thread is getting way out of hand! Stop attacking posters because you don't like what they say and stick to discussing the actual case. :rolleyes:

What. The. Hell.

Insane! Just insane developments over these few days. Again, Reb, I urge you: CRACK A BOOK OPEN about domestic violence AND READ IT. Denise is clearly a victim. And spoiler alert: I work with victims of domestic violence daily. None of them are "honor roll students who bake cookies all day long." Nor do we ever portray them that way in court. Why not, you ask? Because it's not believable. Jurors all know there are two sides to a story. Instead of portraying the victim in the best light possible, we (the prosecution) embrace the truth and present the victim as the people they are, warts and all.

NONE OF US believe that Denise is a perfect human being. I think I speak accurately when I state she's a victim of stalking and domestic violence.

Fablady made some comments about people showing up to testify against Denise but were not allowed. Why? SHES NOT THE ONE ON TRIAL. SHE IS THE VICTIM! Sheesh. Stop blaming the victim and start looking at the cold hard facts. Utterback is a fugitive from justice. He did it to himself.

This is starting to get pathetic. And I agree. Reb and Fab are either in cahoots or they are one and the same. And Reb is related to Utterback in some way. Or he IS Utterback.

^^agree

What happened to Fablady I noticed once Reb came back she disappeared. :)

I'd like to address the recent elephant in the room.

How much longer are we going to pretend that we "don't know" that FabLady is obviously Reb who just made a new account today with a different email address to get some backup to his/her point? It's impressive, attempting a new identity by wording his posts differently and using grammar and spelling that would make a third grader shake their head. Points for creativity? Yes. Is he fooling anyone? No.

Someone mentioned a few pages back that he thought Reb might be Randall. I don't get that impression. But I have thought for the last several pages of this thread that Reb is a relative of Randall's. You're going to have a hard time convincing me otherwise. He's either a relative or just a plain troll.

I've been posting on this forum longer than anyone and during all of those years, I've never seen a poster here, who supposedly has no connection to the case, argue to THIS level against the victim over and over and over....repeating themselves, contradicting themselves and making such little sense in their ramblings for and against something. I mean, come on. We might as well have Denise burned at the stake already. And we all know who is going to have their torch ready first.

Okay okay fine. I have confession to make. I'm actually Judy Hymes. I am alive and living in Noshkee Sweden because Omaha was too confining. Gosh dang it to beck you found me!
I would appreciate it if you stop talking about me. UM ruined my life. I can never look at phones the same way again. I have gray hairs and I recently found my missing cat embedded in the wall. Stop making fun of me or I call authorities! For I am alive! Not in Omaha.

You're judging Randall based on a 15 minute segment. How do you know he was that way?

How do you know the anti-Denise comments on the net haven't come from Randall himself?

I believe that Denise lied and embellished wildly. For example, transferring to a community college closer to Randall. She blames that on him. I don't buy it.

She was going to a regular college and transferred to a community college (which a lot of people find less desirable) at the insistence of Randall.

Perhaps you are forgetting she filed for a restraining order against him and received it. Meaning that she was so afraid of him that she didn't want him coming within a certain distance of her. She ended the relationship. She hadn't seen him in a month. Everything about her actions says she was doing everything possible to cut him out of her life. There is simply no evidence that she was trying to entrap him, just wildly speculative comments about it.

Sounds like she was a willing participant who wanted to be close to him and keep an eye on him.

The other way around, actually.

The case was blown way out of proportion. What about the loaded gun she had in the car?

What about it?

Then she calls the police when things became heated.

There is no evidence he shot at her or kidnapped her. All you have are two incidents of a heated argument in a car where Randall ends up getting arrested.

She baited him and then when she got angry or displeased with him she called the police.

Then how do you explain what happened to her car when they discovered it abandoned and in a ditch and she was nowhere in sight.

Anyways, getting back to the topic at hand, I thought it was really low of Randall to threaten to kill a loved one of Denise's like that. Denise seemed teary-eyed throughout the entire interview and I believe she was legitimately afraid of him, as he had managed to catch up with her before after she thought he was gone for good.

All of Reb's posts (on this and other threads) have been deleted, so we might have heard the last from him.
I noticed that too. Obviously most of us did not agree with reb on this one. Like reb said we all have different opinions and as much as I lothe victim blaming and feel that it is extremely rare for someone to falsely report a violent assault.... I did respect reb's opinion. I also enjoyed reb's posts on other topics.

I never got the "honor roll baking cookies" vibe from Denise. Just thought I'd mention that. :)

I would just like to say that this thread did get a little crazy and we had fun but I want lurkers here who might not post very often to know that the people of this board really are respectful to differing opinions.

Despite that jab I made on the previous page, I promise you that I'm not an a**hole. It's not like me to tease someone who has a massively different opinion than mine. We usually have some of our best discussions here by what we disagree on. That's why I've always enjoyed posting here for the last 15 years.

Some people here may recall the year before Christi and Bobby Baskin were located, we had members of the Maple family come on here and blast us for daring to speak ill of Sandra and Marvin. We actually made attempts to discuss their viewpoints respectfully but when we all continued to point out the massive holes in their "logic," they were rude and downright insufferable to us.

When I suspected Reb might be a member of Randall's family, I had flashbacks of the Maples and after holding my tongue for as long as I could, I unleashed some snark. I would feel awful if it turned out he wasn't related (or close) with Randall and I would be very sorry. But if he is related (which I still suspect)...I'm much less sorry.

I just wanted to clarify that before moving back on topic. I'm only an a** about 5% of the time. I promise.

I would just like to say that this thread did get a little crazy and we had fun but I want lurkers here who might not post very often to know that the people of this board really are respectful to differing opinions.

Despite that jab I made on the previous page, I promise you that I'm not an a**hole. It's not like me to tease someone who has a massively different opinion than mine. We usually have some of our best discussions here by what we disagree on. That's why I've always enjoyed posting here for the last 15 years.

Some people here may recall the year before Christi and Bobby Baskin were located, we had members of the Maple family come on here and blast us for daring to speak ill of Sandra and Marvin. We actually made attempts to discuss their viewpoints respectfully but when we all continued to point out the massive holes in their "logic," they were rude and downright insufferable to us.

When I suspected Reb might be a member of Randall's family, I had flashbacks of the Maples and after holding my tongue for as long as I could, I unleashed some snark. I would feel awful if it turned out he wasn't related (or close) with Randall and I would be very sorry. But if he is related (which I still suspect)...I'm much less sorry.

I just wanted to clarify that before moving back on topic. I'm only an a** about 5% of the time. I promise.

I think you hit the nail on the head with your earlier commentary. It's not so much that we all disagreed with Reb. It was the level to which the victim blaming and the sheer zealousness of the defense got to that got kinda crazy. And then there was that whole Fablady thing. Strange. I didn't say anything, but I absolutely echoed your comments about the repeated attacks on Denise's character being very unusual in all the time that folks have been posting here. It was definitely one of the most memorable ones that I can think of... and that includes the two or three days that Paul Pollis posted on here.

Speaking of hotly contested cases... I also hope that everyone knows the majority of us do enjoy the debates that occur with these cold cases. I was excited to see my good friend Darlie Routier's thread pop up again. I look forward to other lively debates with regard to her case. And Tim McClure. And Angela Hammond. (Rob still didn't do it, but I welcome the debate. Hopefully, in a fun, light-hearted manner.) :)

Good posts by dynoguy and LooksLikeCRicci. This thread got fairly heated in a very short period of time out of the blue and I take my share of responsibility for it. I'm a bit passionate when it comes to victim blame especially when people use stereotypes to justify victimizing someone.

I think this heated debate goes back to the people that perhaps knew Randall personally and were related to him in some way. Those posts a few years back were very significant and I will never forget when someone on here first gave me the link and I read through it. I think since Reb cited those sources(of the people that posted and backed Randall) Reb as an outsider who allegedly has no relation to Randall... it sort of created a one sided debate with Reb taking the brunt of multiple posters disagreeing with the topic. In a way I feel bad that he left because he has been a loyal poster on so many other topics and didn't seem to be fixated on only this case. Regardless of who Fablady is and I don't necessarily think it was Reb in spite of the very suspect timing...fablady pretty much discounted herself in her first post with the northern comment. I tend to think whoever was behind it has obvious ties or was just doing a bit.

I respect the opinion of others and welcome future debates on this case.

Seriously, if anyone personally involved with cases wants to post here, I think I can safely speak for everyone when I say we absolutely welcome that. But when your first post is full of insults and an overly defensive posture, you greatly risk alienating an audience to which you could have just as easily calmly explained your position. That isn't a guarantee any of us will be persuaded, but it would have made for a far better interaction on both sides of the house.
+1 on this too. With this having been going on for several days after sitting for a while it is possible people have been reading and thinking about posting or even joining the boards.

Good posts by dynoguy and LooksLikeCRicci. This thread got fairly heated in a very short period of time out of the blue and I take my share of responsibility for it. I'm a bit passionate when it comes to victim blame especially when people use stereotypes to justify victimizing someone.


Same here. I was very snarky.

I agree that it wasn't the different opinion that caused this schism. It was definitely the victim blame, at least speaking from my view. If Reb had, for example, said he didn't like Denise being interviewed or something, fine. Sometimes interviewees rub people the wrong way. But to say that she had a part in what she got, like it was her responsibility, was downright unacceptable for me.

I think it just got worse and worse, to the point where I got the vibe that he either knew Utterback OR that he'd had an experience with a woman like Denise (or his view of Denise, rather). All that nonsense about "baking cookies" and "perfect honor roll" portrayal. Also, the whole "Denise MUST have been using him for a place to live and money." Uh, what? Says who? Just because he was much older she was taking advantage of him? Sorry, pal.

I hope we can have more friendly, wholesome debates that don't get out of hand like this one did. I love this forum <3

I hope Reb will stay. I don't find myself sharing his opinions and stances often, but there have been a number of times I've appreciated his perspective, especially in the Chair Weiss thread as LooksLikeCRicci mentioned earlier.

I echo everyone's sentiments here regarding the debate and lurkers who may be around. This board is probably as civil as they come in the way of Internet forums far more often than not, and that's part of why I appreciate it so much. I feel like I even know some of y'all personally in a sense as you've kind of "been with me" through the years. It's a good place, and I'd encourage anyone lurking to join us anytime. :)

So, how 'bout that Randall Utterback? He seemed like a big child to me. Like a 7 year old that cries when asked to share his toys. I think, despite his age, he was incredibly immature.

So, how 'bout that Randall Utterback? He seemed like a big child to me. Like a 7 year old that cries when asked to share his toys. I think, despite his age, he was incredibly immature.
I wonder if you tried to play with him and touched one of his toys if he would scream.

So, how 'bout that Randall Utterback? He seemed like a big child to me. Like a 7 year old that cries when asked to share his toys. I think, despite his age, he was incredibly immature.

I actually thought that to begin with. It would make sense as to why he would be attracted to someone so much younger than him. In theory, it's easier to control someone who you're emotionally older than. I think where Randall ran into issues is that Denise got tired of being controlled. Then he flipped the eff out and all hell broke loose.

Wow, I missed all the crazy.

Anyway, I have a lot of problems sympathizing with a fugitive from the law and would have a pretty big problem putting any trust in any words they would say.

That said, if Mr. Utterback would turn himself in and tell his story, I might be persuaded in giving him a chance. Who knows? ;)

But he is a coward, so I doubt it.

Wow, I missed all the crazy.

Anyway, I have a lot of problems sympathizing with a fugitive from the law and would have a pretty big problem putting any trust in any words they would say.

That said, if Mr. Utterback would turn himself in and tell his story, I might be persuaded in giving him a chance. Who knows? ;)

But he is a coward, so I doubt it.

I'm glad you responded I was about to bump this for lack of activity. :crazy:

Bump just because I had to look it up for old times sake:

Things start to come to a head about about Page 11, in which I say:
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Bump just because I had to look it up for old times sake:

Things start to come to a head about about Page 11, in which I say:


Were all of his posts deleted?

Were all of his posts deleted?

I think he deleted all of them. However, most of his posts were quoted in the responses of others, so you can still see what was being said as things began to go crazy.

How did I miss this craziness?

Didn't Utterback run Denise off of the road twice? And the second time involved a firearm, correct?

I could see a small portion of Utterback's defenders arguments, but it still doesn't justify what he did. Denise could have "baited" him into meeting her or running into him, etc. But that does not excuse Utterback running her off the road and shooting a gun at her. He was the "adult" in the relationship at the time, IIRC. He could have stayed away from her, but he chose not to.

How did I miss this craziness?

Didn't Utterback run Denise off of the road twice? And the second time involved a firearm, correct?

I could see a small portion of Utterback's defenders arguments, but it still doesn't justify what he did. Denise could have "baited" him into meeting her or running into him, etc. But that does not excuse Utterback running her off the road and shooting a gun at her. He was the "adult" in the relationship at the time, IIRC. He could have stayed away from her, but he chose not to.
They're allergic to logic. ;)

The attempts to discredit Denise are pathetic, as they would never justify his crimes.

They're allergic to logic. ;)

The attempts to discredit Denise are pathetic, as they would never justify his crimes.

And at first glance, I agreed that the punishment of 75 years was too steep...but then I realized that he never even went to trial and never faced conviction or sentencing.

Bump just because I had to look it up for old times sake:

Things start to come to a head about about Page 11, in which I say:
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I love that line. Along with I killed a man. And I'll always smile when I see this bumped just because of the title but....all of the craziness within. I read thru again and I still can't believe it. I was trying to give reb the benefit of the doubt but I do notice his posts went way down during fab lady's rant session. Then he comes back later and says wow how much has been said in the last few hours.....

Did anyone else find it creepy that the 30-something old Utterback was dating a 17 year old high school student? I think that relationship was doomed from the start.

And I don't believe all of the local yokels that said he had an upstanding reputation because he "owned a bunch of motorcycles". I'm willing to bet he had done similar things with previous girlfriends, if he was fortunate enough to have even had any previous girlfriends.

Did anyone else find it creepy that the 30-something old Utterback was dating a 17 year old high school student? I think that relationship was doomed from the start.

And I don't believe all of the local yokels that said he had an upstanding reputation because he "owned a bunch of motorcycles". I'm willing to bet he had done similar things with previous girlfriends, if he was fortunate enough to have even had any previous girlfriends.
If only Matthew mconahey played his character...I keep getting older they stay the same. but na he would of been too cool for Randall.

Hmmm this kinda looks like the same guy.....and description doesn't sound far off.



http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_news/man-runs-from-police-again-gets-caught-arrested-again/article_724469b3-a572-5e8e-a853-84cd42e2137d.html

Did anyone else find it creepy that the 30-something old Utterback was dating a 17 year old high school student? I think that relationship was doomed from the start.

And I don't believe all of the local yokels that said he had an upstanding reputation because he "owned a bunch of motorcycles". I'm willing to bet he had done similar things with previous girlfriends, if he was fortunate enough to have even had any previous girlfriends.

Yes, it was creepy that he was in his 30s dating a 17 year old high school student. Gross.

:lol: :lol: :lol: @bolded.

Hmmm this kinda looks like the same guy.....and description doesn't sound far off.



http://www.tribstar.com/news/local_news/man-runs-from-police-again-gets-caught-arrested-again/article_724469b3-a572-5e8e-a853-84cd42e2137d.html

Our guy is Randall J. Utterback.

Our guy is Randall J. Utterback.
Yeah I know I'm just making fun of both of them at once

Who thinks that our good ol' buddy Randall has fled the country and has friends/family helping him evade capture?! I DO! I have a gut feeling that not long after he escaped from jail that he fled the country (probably under an assumed name) and has been living off the grid for the past 22 or so years. I think it would be virtually impossible in current times for him to hide out here in the US for that long a period of time without SOMEONE spotting him or coming in contact with him and figuring out that he's a wanted fugitive. He would need a place to live and a job to earn $$ to survive, and you cant get anything accomplished now days without a social security number, you cant even rent an apartment! I wonder who is helping him and if they realize that if he's ever caught, they are busted to for aiding and abetting!

Which disc is this on, again (and how far into it; what I have is fragmented into four parts)?

Which disc is this on, again (and how far into it; what I have is fragmented into four parts)?
Which part on your copy is the scene were he cries and begs her to take him back at gunpoint?:D

Which part on your copy is the scene were he cries and begs her to take him back at gunpoint?:D

And tells Denise "I love you". Really? :rolleyes:

And tells Denise "I love you". Really? :rolleyes:

I think he probably did love her, in his own sick, twisted way. He had the mental maturity of a 5 year old.

For only $9.99, you can own your very own Randall J. Utterback FBI poster!!!

http://fbimostwanted.us/zc/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=2&products_id=919

I just know someone here is going to order one. :lol:

Other than his incredibly staunch defense of Randall, I really never had any issue with Reb. I'm sorry he still isn't contributing to the Chaim Weiss board-- I thought he had some great insights on that case.

Although now that you guys mention it, *I* may buy a picture of Randall and put it in my office. Conversation piece, ya know? ;)