View Full Version : Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth
offthechain76 06-23-2005, 02:35 PM Does anyone know if her body has ever been found or if she was found alive. This was the girl abducted while on the pay phone with her boyfriend and he gave chase but his car gave out. This was one of the most disturbing case I have ever watched on UM. Thanks for any information.
Brent88 06-23-2005, 03:02 PM I did an internet search right after the story aired and the only site I found was one where she was still listed as missing and "endangered". I am also wondering if anyone from the local area(Western Missouri) has any additional info. :(
crystaldawn 06-23-2005, 04:10 PM I did speak with someone in the media in that area recently. Here is the link of the thread:
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=140626&highlight=angela+hammond
he war 06-23-2005, 06:00 PM Did you guys see the picture of the younger woman abducted from a convenience store? That scared the crap out of me.
Her eyes were pitch black!
Goofyman 06-23-2005, 07:08 PM Yeah, I freaked out when I saw her picture. That was a terrible photo. Her eyes were completely dark.
I think all 3 of the abductions that were talked about in the episode are connected, and that the one they found is just a sign of the fates of the others.
Angela Hammond is listed at the Doe Network. The fact that she is still profiled there strongly suggests that she has never been found. :(
http://www.doenetwork.us/cases/1299dfmo.html
The site seems to be kept up to date. I mean, Bobbi Parker was profiled at the site, and when she was recently found alive, her Doe Network profile disappeared.
Kemistry 06-23-2005, 11:56 PM I just find it amazing at how trusting people were back then. I mean of course she had some doubts and/or worries about the man but ignored them. If I was in her shoes at that time I would've gotten in my car and driven away the moment I noticed his truck circling the block.
Brent88 06-24-2005, 12:02 AM I just find it amazing at how trusting people were back then. I mean of course she had some doubts and/or worries about the man but ignored them. If I was in her shoes at that time I would've gotten in my car and driven away the moment I noticed his truck circling the block.
Back then 24-hour coverage of missing women/children didn't exist, so while it happened, we didn't hear about it.
dynoguy88 06-24-2005, 12:09 AM Echoes Of Fear, you bring up a very good point. The fact that the truck kept circling the block around the telephone booth - which even prompted her to get concerned - should have sent a clearer message that something was wrong, especially when the truck pulled up next to the telephone booth. That's when she should have thrown the reciever down and bolted for her car. :(
But I guess I can see the other point of view. The city of Clinton seemed like a very small town where everyone knows and trusts each other, at least that's how Unsolved Mysteries portrayed it. Still, the truck circling the block would have made me suspicious.
Such a sad case.
crystaldawn 06-24-2005, 08:58 AM I was wondering if Angela worked at that convenience store where she was abducted from in front of. It said in the newspaper clipping they showed briefly she was abducted after she got off work. Her abductor could have seen her working and waited until she got off work. That would make sense since they said the police linked her disappearance to other women in the Missouri area who were abducted at convenience stores. Just a thought.
Detox 06-24-2005, 09:58 AM I was wondering if Angela worked at that convenience store where she was abducted from in front of. It said in the newspaper clipping they showed briefly she was abducted after she got off work. Her abductor could have seen her working and waited until she got off work. That would make sense since they said the police linked her disappearance to other women in the Missouri area who were abducted at convenience stores. Just a thought.
actually she had dropped off her boyfriend after a barbecue at around 9pm. She promised to phone him in a few hours. When she stopped to phone him she was abducted.
diesteldorf 06-27-2005, 01:40 AM Here is some info regarding the Hammond case that I posted a couple
years ago. Unfortunately, though not surprisingly, it is believed that she was
murdered by serial killer Kenneth Alan McDuff, who was executed in 1998.
http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=88740&highlight=angela+hammond
MelAnnDoll 07-04-2005, 10:03 AM She has not been found yet. I don't feel that McDuff did it. I don't feel there is enough evidence linking it to him. She was working there at the time and I'm sure there's been times that we all thought something was a little odd, but didn't jump in our cars and run away.
chet_58 03-01-2007, 06:28 PM I was wondering if Angela worked at that convenience store where she was abducted from in front of. It said in the newspaper clipping they showed briefly she was abducted after she got off work. Her abductor could have seen her working and waited until she got off work. That would make sense since they said the police linked her disappearance to other women in the Missouri area who were abducted at convenience stores. Just a thought.
I dont know if she worked at the convenient store but she was calling at a pay phone in front of the safeway store, which is now a car dealership. Im wondering why she would stop and call her boyfriend on the phone when he only lived 7 blocks and she could of just stopped by or why wouldnt she go home to use her phone??? Im sure the boyfriend had no envolvement. I was told he is still around the area and lives in Lamar, MO. How old would he be now 34-36?
longliveum 03-02-2007, 12:52 AM If my memory is correct I believe I read in a newspaper article that Angela worked at a bank.
kane7474 03-02-2007, 08:41 AM I live fairly close to where this happened and I can tell you that alot of people around here feel she was not abducted at all. Some folks feel the boyfriend actually did this and then cooked up the story about the abduction. I would hate to point the finger at the innocent if indeed this is not the case but I have heard more then one person say this is what they beileve.
AVERMAN 03-02-2007, 08:44 AM Can't the phone company get information about the call if the call was made??
treeman 03-02-2007, 11:23 PM I live fairly close to where this happened and I can tell you that alot of people around here feel she was not abducted at all. Some folks feel the boyfriend actually did this and then cooked up the story about the abduction. I would hate to point the finger at the innocent if indeed this is not the case but I have heard more then one person say this is what they beileve.
If that's the case though, where is she? Where is her body? Surely there would have been some sort of evidence at his house.
I think most probably a town rumour!
-Ben
Awsi Dooger 03-03-2007, 07:16 AM Yeah, nothing more than small town rumor and cynicism. Far too many unknown variables for Rob to have made up the story. Not only would he be taking a chance on no record of a phone call from the phone booth to his house, but what if someone was in that area of the phone booths during the time he picked? Someone could have been there for hours, for whatever reason, and completely contradicted Rob's tale if he had made it up.
The story is very credible. Notice that it is not standard. It includes little aspects like the guy hesitating before parking and approaching Angela. How dirty he was. The mural with the specific and very rare depiction of a fish jumping out of water. The chilling part about, "I didn't need to use the phone, anyway." Those are real world twists, but things that people don't include when they invent a story. Make believe tales are much more careful and bland.
kadrmas15 03-03-2007, 07:21 AM Yes Awsi, I agree. I am not saying Rob Schafer for sure wasnt involved but I have a hard time believing he was. I wouldnt want to believe he was either. I mean the guy seemed like he loved Angie very much, that he was horribly broken up about it and that he missed her terribly. I just dont think he did it. I think it is mostly small town rumors at work here and the fact that they could never find who did it and some people when that happens need someone to blame and so they pick Rob who is a convienent person for them to blame because he was the boyfriend and because he wasnt able to stop the abductor. Usually when they cant find who did it, these are the same people who need someone to blame and then pick an innocent man and sometimes get him put in prison just to put their own minds at ease.
kane7474 03-03-2007, 10:16 AM Yeah, nothing more than small town rumor and cynicism. Far too many unknown variables for Rob to have made up the story. Not only would he be taking a chance on no record of a phone call from the phone booth to his house, but what if someone was in that area of the phone booths during the time he picked? Someone could have been there for hours, for whatever reason, and completely contradicted Rob's tale if he had made it up.
The story is very credible. Notice that it is not standard. It includes little aspects like the guy hesitating before parking and approaching Angela. How dirty he was. The mural with the specific and very rare depiction of a fish jumping out of water. The chilling part about, "I didn't need to use the phone, anyway." Those are real world twists, but things that people don't include when they invent a story. Make believe tales are much more careful and bland.Like I said before Im just telling you what people in the area were saying back then. I for one find it odd they never found this kidnapper/murderer. This happened in a very small town in a rural area, this is an area where everyone knows everyone in a 50 mile radius. So its obvious if the story is true the man in the truck could not have been from the area. That being said with such a noticable vehicle with a fish mural in the back window how did he make it out of there without being caught. You have a truck that would stand out like a sore thumb and no hi-way patrolmen, no county or local cops could find him? Its not like there's a whole lot of different routes this guy could have taken to get outta town and if he was a local and knew of places to hide someone would have known him from the description of the truck. Also those same locals that beileve Rob was behind this also knew that Angela was pregant with his child.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-03-2007, 12:30 PM I get what you're saying, Kane7474. However, I'm 99% sure that Rob wasn't involved. I tend to agree with Awsi... the details Rob provided were strange enough to be credible. In addition, it doesn't make any sense to me that the Clinton, MO police didn't investigate the hell out of him. Generally, in abduction/homicide cases, the police usually look at the individuals closest to the victim. Rob would certainly fall into that category.
As for the pregnancy thing, if Rob and Angie were engaged... wouldn't Rob be HAPPY about the pregnancy? Just a thought...
LooksLikeCRicci 03-03-2007, 12:59 PM You know, I was thinking about this a bit more: Another fact which adds credibility to Rob's story is that two other women in the area had disappeared under strange circumstances as well.
kane7474 03-03-2007, 03:02 PM You know, I was thinking about this a bit more: Another fact which adds credibility to Rob's story is that two other women in the area had disappeared under strange circumstances as well.
Yes you are right about that I do remember there were some other strange dissappearances around the same time. Im going to have to watch this episode again and get the facts straight.
kane7474 03-03-2007, 03:38 PM I just watched the episode again and as usual UM leaves out the information I was hoping to get. What Im curious about is, how long after the chase ended was it before Rob called the police. In the re-enactment it shows his car break down, then he gets out and pounds on the hood in frustration. It does not appear that he is running anywhere to get to a phone. There are plenty of homes in the area where he broke down, it would not have taken him more than 5 minutes to call the police with a description of the truck, the driver and Angela. I cannot phathom how in the world they would not have caught this guy if Rob called the police directly after the chase ended. There are only a few roads in and out of Clinton, it would have been simple for the hiway patrol and the Sherrifs dept to set up roadblocks on every road in a 50 mile radius and catch this guy. I also find it odd that there were no witnesses to this chase. Here you have a nice quiet area late at night and two cars go tearing through at high rates of speed and no one notices this? If the FBI cleared Rob I must assume they have the information that we do not, also being there were two other kidnapping/murders in the vicinity Id say this was the work of a serial killer. He knew that someone had a description of both him and his vehicle and he left the area. This is why Angela was the last victim, he either laid low and stayed out of sight or went to another part of the country to continue killing and no one has tied this all together yet.
longliveum 03-03-2007, 04:25 PM In one of the newspaper articles I read it said Rob was taken down to the police station around midnight. What time did she call Rob? I think the doenetwork states she was last seen at 11:45 p.m. So if that is when she called him he must have tried to get help pretty quick?
longliveum 03-03-2007, 04:40 PM OK, I went back and read the article and it quoted Rob as saying he and Angela were talking around 11:00 pm. and that is when he jumped in his car to go down there. I've got more articles to go back and read but have to do that later when I have more time.
hostedbyrobertstack 03-03-2007, 07:30 PM For some reason, this story always seemed far fetched to me, like it was made up. I mean, for one, I don't know why, if she was so close to his house/her house, why was she using a payphone and didn't just go see him. Also, when she said someone was coming to use the phone next to her, how would he not go down and make sure she's ok. I know if that was my girlfriend, I would be pretty nervous for her and I would go check on her because it obviously wasn't that far away. As for the whole chase scene, it just seems odd that he passes, and then his car gives out...something just seems odd about that. Also, when his car dies, as someone said he just hits his car and gives up. I mean if i could still see the car or the road it was going on, I would keep running or go find someone elses car to use. It also just seems weird that she went into such "depth" of her description of the vehicle while she was on the phone. I know if I were to describe a car, I would just say "oh, it's an older truck" or something. Who knows.. something seems weird about this case to me.
dynoguy88 03-03-2007, 08:16 PM In my humble opinion, you can't place much emphasis on the reannactment of Rob slamming the hood of his car in frustration and then basically giving up when his car died. UM segments don't ALWAYS go into perfect detail when they recreate a specific event. They are just filmed to give us a very basic picture of what happened. They aren't always 100% accurate in every microscopic detail. (For instance, in the Cindy James segment, they left out several little extra details in their reanactments - I know this because I read both books.) So, for all we know, Rob might very well have ran to a nearby house or gas station or some place close to find a phone. We just don't know.
It's easy for all of us NOW to ask quetions like, why didn't Rob rush over there earlier once the pickup truck pulled in the parking lot.... but admit it, most of the time you're going to let your guard down. It's not like you're going about your business and expecting to be kidnapped. It's just too bad that cell phones weren't as big then as they are now.
In my humble opinion, there are 3 things that can prove Rob's innocence...none of which were mentioned on the Unsolved Mysteries segment.
1.) Rob's station wagon. According to the segment, Rob damaged the transmission of the vehichle when he slammed it into reverse while going forward. If he was in fact the killer, than he would have purposely ruined his own car.
2.) Telephone records. All the police would have to do is check the telephone records to see if Rob's house did in fact get a phone call from that pay phone several blocks away on the night in question.
3.) Rob's little brother. When Angela was abducted, Rob was babysitting his little brother. I'm sure his little brother can verify that the two were alone all evening, Rob got the phone call than dropped the receiver and ran out of the house when he heard Angela scream.
It's also important to note that that evening, Rob and Angela were at a barbecue together before she dropped him off to babysit....their friends could most likely verify that they were there and what time they left. This would leave him no time to actually kill her and dispose of her body after babysitting and then purposely wrecking his car to make it look real. Also, Clinton is a small "blink and you'll miss it" town. Where would he have hidden the body never to be found in such a short amount of time? And most importantly, what would the motive be?
I have visited small towns like Clinton before and one thing that always jumped out at me was how dead they are when evening rolls around - (that's why I always think it's more fun to vacation in towns like that but not actually live there....too boring.) It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for there to not be many people around to see the chase when it happened, especially given how late it was.
BibleCode06 03-03-2007, 08:34 PM For some reason, this story always seemed far fetched to me, like it was made up. I mean, for one, I don't know why, if she was so close to his house/her house, why was she using a payphone and didn't just go see him. Also, when she said someone was coming to use the phone next to her, how would he not go down and make sure she's ok. I know if that was my girlfriend, I would be pretty nervous for her and I would go check on her because it obviously wasn't that far away. As for the whole chase scene, it just seems odd that he passes, and then his car gives out...something just seems odd about that. Also, when his car dies, as someone said he just hits his car and gives up. I mean if i could still see the car or the road it was going on, I would keep running or go find someone elses car to use. It also just seems weird that she went into such "depth" of her description of the vehicle while she was on the phone. I know if I were to describe a car, I would just say "oh, it's an older truck" or something. Who knows.. something seems weird about this case to me.
I don't know if Rob is guilty or innocent but everyone assumes that the Missouri police did an impartial investigation. I believe you and kane bring up some interesting points. But here are a few more.
1) Rob dosen't even know part of the license plate#. I mean if it was high speed neck and neck chase you would expect him to get atleast part of it. In addition, why didn't he get hypnosis to atleast try to remember it.
2)Was there an All Points Bulletin on the truck? If anyone knows please share. The first thing he needed to do was to get an APB out to catch the guy.
3)People make an issue about the pregnancy. Let's say that Rob wanted Angie to abort the kid and she disagreed. Also vice versa maybe she wanted to abort and he didn't. Husbands and boyfriends kill pregnant women, does anyone remember Scott Peterson? Damm not that whole thing again.
4)Police Investigation- the assumption is that the great law enforcement in Missouri cleared him with diligent police work. They do mistakes. Anyone remember the great Missouri police work in the Ryan Stallings and johnny lee wilson case? that is just to name a FEW.
5)Look at Rob's glazing eyes during his Um interview. His facial expressions reminded me of the cop who killed his son and lied about it on another UM segment. Remember he made up the story that his 3 year old kid was kidnapped.
Do I think Rob did it? Not sure. But I don't have all the police info in the case to make an educated hypothesis. :confused:
hostedbyrobertstack 03-03-2007, 09:15 PM You bring up some good points, also as I said before about the whole truck description. While she was on the phone talking to him, and if she thought "everything was ok", then why would she go into such a detailed description of the truck, including the stripe, and the window mural. Just seems odd. If the boyfriend was using this story as cover, it would be less suspicious if he had a more detailed description of the vehicle. If he were just to say "oh he was driver an older truck" that would maybe show signs that he were lying. But who knows....as I said, even like 5 years ago when I first saw this segment, it never seemed like that really happened. I could be totally wrong though
Awsi Dooger 03-03-2007, 09:56 PM In my humble opinion, you can't place much emphasis on the reannactment of Rob slamming the hood of his car in frustration and then basically giving up when his car died. UM segments don't ALWAYS go into perfect detail when they recreate a specific event. They are just filmed to give us a very basic picture of what happened. They aren't always 100% accurate in every microscopic detail. (For instance, in the Cindy James segment, they left out several little extra details in their reanactments - I know this because I read both books.) So, for all we know, Rob might very well have ran to a nearby house or gas station or some place close to find a phone. We just don't know.
It's easy for all of us NOW to ask quetions like, why didn't Rob rush over there earlier once the pickup truck pulled in the parking lot.... but admit it, most of the time you're going to let your guard down. It's not like you're going about your business and expecting to be kidnapped. It's just too bad that cell phones weren't as big then as they are now.
In my humble opinion, there are 3 things that can prove Rob's innocence...none of which were mentioned on the Unsolved Mysteries segment.
1.) Rob's station wagon. According to the segment, Rob damaged the transmission of the vehichle when he slammed it into reverse while going forward. If he was in fact the killer, than he would have purposely ruined his own car.
2.) Telephone records. All the police would have to do is check the telephone records to see if Rob's house did in fact get a phone call from that pay phone several blocks away on the night in question.
3.) Rob's little brother. When Angela was abducted, Rob was babysitting his little brother. I'm sure his little brother can verify that the two were alone all evening, Rob got the phone call than dropped the receiver and ran out of the house when he heard Angela scream.
It's also important to note that that evening, Rob and Angela were at a barbecue together before she dropped him off to babysit....their friends could most likely verify that they were there and what time they left. This would leave him no time to actually kill her and dispose of her body after babysitting and then purposely wrecking his car to make it look real. Also, Clinton is a small "blink and you'll miss it" town. Where would he have hidden the body never to be found in such a short amount of time? And most importantly, what would the motive be?
I have visited small towns like Clinton before and one thing that always jumped out at me was how dead they are when evening rolls around - (that's why I always think it's more fun to vacation in towns like that but not actually live there....too boring.) It wouldn't be out of the ordinary for there to not be many people around to see the chase when it happened, especially given how late it was.
I think that's an excellent post so I'll quote the whole thing. Kadrmas also made a very relevant point, people frustrated at the lack of a result so Rob is a convenient person to blame.
And I can totally believe the transmission story. I think I mentioned on this forum that a few years ago I goofed around and intended to coast downhill for a long stretch on a California freeway, but screwed up and mistakenly threw the car into reverse briefly instead of neutral. It messed up the computer system to such extent the car was basically disabled. I had no power steering or brakes and had to put on the flasher and ease off an exit ramp with my emergency flashers on. Luckily everything was fine after a restart. But with an older car I'm sure the impact could have been much worse on the transmission.
Kane7474 asked some great questions about the timing of the calls to police and the number of access roads. You would think a criminal would have an escape route selected. I'm reminded of the trench coat robbers who eluded police in Henderson, Nevada simply via knowing their way through a maze of an apartment complex, obviously memorizing the path ahead of time just in case.
I'm not sure how many police would be available for instant pursuit in that type of area, and late at night. Since he knows the boyfriend has spotted and chased his car the abductor most likely would not want to stay on the road for a long period of time.
The criminal could also be a rank idiot with no plan who kept driving and simply got lucky.
clead23 03-04-2007, 12:30 AM hey guys can someone help me find her case on the doe network or has this case been solved?
chet_58 03-04-2007, 04:05 AM The angela hammond case is on youtube.com , type in angela hammond on the search. Everytime i watch this it gives me the creeps. I only live about an hour from Clinton and was just there not too long ago and saw the spot where she was abducted (car lot now). This whole story is way too fishy. Someone had to see that pickup. There is no way if police were notified in the radius around clinton within 20 minutes or so after that someone somewhere didnt see the truck. This is what leds me to believe maybe something else happened. I dont know if i would pin it on Rob, but obviously i never did think of why she would go into so much detail if she said everything is completely fine. If rob did it , hes one hell of a story teller..
kane7474 03-04-2007, 10:08 AM I think that's an excellent post so I'll quote the whole thing. Kadrmas also made a very relevant point, people frustrated at the lack of a result so Rob is a convenient person to blame.
And I can totally believe the transmission story. I think I mentioned on this forum that a few years ago I goofed around and intended to coast downhill for a long stretch on a California freeway, but screwed up and mistakenly threw the car into reverse briefly instead of neutral. It messed up the computer system to such extent the car was basically disabled. I had no power steering or brakes and had to put on the flasher and ease off an exit ramp with my emergency flashers on. Luckily everything was fine after a restart. But with an older car I'm sure the impact could have been much worse on the transmission.
Kane7474 asked some great questions about the timing of the calls to police and the number of access roads. You would think a criminal would have an escape route selected. I'm reminded of the trench coat robbers who eluded police in Henderson, Nevada simply via knowing their way through a maze of an apartment complex, obviously memorizing the path ahead of time just in case.
I'm not sure how many police would be available for instant pursuit in that type of area, and late at night. Since he knows the boyfriend has spotted and chased his car the abductor most likely would not want to stay on the road for a long period of time.
The criminal could also be a rank idiot with no plan who kept driving and simply got lucky.
To respond to your inquiry about how many police would be available I will tell you that for many years Missouri has had what is called "mutual aid" with all law enforcement agencies. What this means is that as soon as the local police were notified of the kidnapping they would contact the Hiway patrol, the county sherrifs dept and all law enforcement in neighboring counties. Once they were all contacted they would switch to a mutual aid frequency on their radios and communicate with one another to arrange road blocks and search efforts. The description of the truck, the assailant and the girl would have been given to every cop within a 100 mile radius within minutes. This is why Im so baffled as to how this guy got away. Anyone who has lived near this area knows there is no shortage of law enforcement.
Also as far as the killer having his escape route planned? How could that be, he had no way of knowing someone would be at that pay phone at that perticular time, no way of knowing where his victim would be or what road he would have to take to get away.
kane7474 03-04-2007, 10:13 AM The angela hammond case is on youtube.com , type in angela hammond on the search. Everytime i watch this it gives me the creeps. I only live about an hour from Clinton and was just there not too long ago and saw the spot where she was abducted (car lot now). This whole story is way too fishy. Someone had to see that pickup. There is no way if police were notified in the radius around clinton within 20 minutes or so after that someone somewhere didnt see the truck. This is what leds me to believe maybe something else happened. I dont know if i would pin it on Rob, but obviously i never did think of why she would go into so much detail if she said everything is completely fine. If rob did it , hes one hell of a story teller..
I think the reason she may have went into so much detail could be that in a small town like that anytime you see a stranger around its odd. If she was in the middle of a big city she never would have even paid the guy any mind at all. However anytime a stranger pops into a small town where everyone knows everyone people take notice.
wiseguy182 03-04-2007, 08:40 PM To answer some questions:
hostedbyrobertstack: as I stated the other day, ROB was the one that wanted to go down there, but was told not to by Angela. This is not to pin blame on Angela, as I'm sure she had no idea she was in danger. Rob strikes me as the type that would have BOLTED out of his apartment had anyone given Angela a dirty look
kane7474: I believe that this killer is a lot like the New Hampshire serial killer, as I think both stalked LOCATIONS and not actual victims. What this means is that the killers have pre-selected locations in mind, and keep driving by periodically waiting for a victim to appear at that location. So with that in mind, it is very possible to have a pre-selected escape route planned.
To those wondering about the road blocks, while I do think it is probable that the killer wasn't from the immediate area, it is possible that he didn't just keep on driving and driving, but went to the house of an accomplice who did live in the area, and that would mean he wouldn't have been on the road immediately after the adbuction. There he could hide out, keep his car in the garage, re-paint it, the makes his escape during the day and get lost in the traffic.
UM has profiled a lot of creepy boyfriends/husbands/ex-husbands and the like, but Rob IMO certainly doesn't fit that mold. The first person police always look at is the boyfriend/husband and while it ends up being that person a fair amount of the time, there are occasions where it isn't that person. This is one of them. You have to understand that there are creeps in this world, and while it isn't a wonderful thing to realize, it is the truth. As if going through Angela's abduction wasn't enough, Rob then had to go through being accused of her disappearnce by some. Rob was lucky in that most people nowadays think he is innocent. The Ramseys are/were not that lucky, and in addition, lost alot of their wealth. Due to a heinous act by an unknown creep, their whole world literally came crashing down.
dynoguy88 03-04-2007, 09:23 PM 5)Look at Rob's glazing eyes during his Um interview. His facial expressions reminded me of the cop who killed his son and lied about it on another UM segment. Remember he made up the story that his 3 year old kid was kidnapped.
Are you seriously comparing Rob to that dork Larry Gibson? Any person with horrible to medicore eye sight could tell that Gibson was guilty as sin. There was NO emotion from him whatsoever, no worry in his eyes, nothing genuine about him at all during the entire segment. He made me sick just watching him. Him and Chad Loe (Wendy Kamp's ex-hubby) are the only times I have ever watched Unsolved Mysteries and literally pointed at the TV screen and yelled, "GUILTY!"
Watching Rob, I never got that feeling at all. He came accross as a young guy, trying hard not to show his tortured inner pain with tears and be strong. Maybe we aren't watching the same show here. ;)
BibleCode06 03-04-2007, 09:51 PM Are you seriously comparing Rob to that dork Larry Gibson? Any person with horrible to medicore eye sight could tell that Gibson was guilty as sin. There was NO emotion from him whatsoever, no worry in his eyes, nothing genuine about him at all during the entire segment. He made me sick just watching him. Him and Chad Loe (Wendy Kamp's ex-hubby) are the only times I have ever watched Unsolved Mysteries and literally pointed at the TV screen and yelled, "GUILTY!"
Watching Rob, I never got that feeling at all. He came accross as a young guy, trying hard not to show his tortured inner pain with tears and be strong. Maybe we aren't watching the same show here. ;)
We are watching the same show. Well my eye sight is 20-20. I can send you a copy of my last eye exam results. Let other people watch and determine for themselves. I did see similarities in their facial expressions. Btw, i have also interviewed criminals including homicide cases in real life. I am certainly entitled to make my own determinations.
I also NEVER said that Rob was 100% guilty. I said that I had questions of suspicion. Me, hosted by RS, and kane raised questions which is part of healthy debate. The APB, roadblock, pregnancy, his conversation are all questions. Do you have copies of the entire police reports, transcripts, interviews? So let's not be presumptous that we know more about the case then the next one. My last comment was that I needed more info on the police investigation. Me, Hosted by RS, and Kane are entitled to raise questions. Unless this board is consolidated by three people who can force their opinion as fact upon others?
In boards, people are entitled to opinions which are subjective. You have indulged on your ramblings and diatribes about rignt wing christians and no one has taken you to task. Your You Tube postings created unnecesary friction between the moderator and other posters. Yet I never said nothing.
:rolleyes:
dynoguy88 03-04-2007, 10:12 PM Excuse me?
Wow, exaggerate much? A total of one post (out of my 800+) which consisted of not more than a couple sentences of my opinion of the extreme right wing and that is considered ramblings and diatribes in your mind?
I never once said Rob was 100% innocent either. I never once said you weren't entitled to your own opinions (don't put words in my mouth) I was just amazed that you would compare Rob to a miserable guy that couldn't be more guilty and that we obviously don't see the same thing.... hey, it's a message board, nothing wrong with a debate. Yet, you decided to switch my words around as an attack on you and that you shouldn't state your opinion. I can see you're going to be a fun person to discuss cases with. :rolleyes:
One last thing, my YouTube postings - How did I cause friction between posters and the moderator? I think they were all just curious to know WHY you couldn't post YouTube links on this message board. There was no fighting or friction between the members of this board. Once again, exaggerate much? Way to pull untrue things out of mid air to prove your point.
Awsi Dooger 03-04-2007, 10:13 PM kane7474: I believe that this killer is a lot like the New Hampshire serial killer, as I think both stalked LOCATIONS and not actual victims. What this means is that the killers have pre-selected locations in mind, and keep driving by periodically waiting for a victim to appear at that location. So with that in mind, it is very possible to have a pre-selected escape route planned.
Right. That's almost exactly what I was going to post after seeing kane7474's reply.
But I reject the accomplice aspect. Accomplices are pure fiction, for the most part, used to explain oddities that really aren't odd at all. In this case a guy with a considerable head start on a rural road late at night and with unknown destination simply got away.
kane7474 03-04-2007, 11:37 PM After really looking into this I can't see any way that Rob could be guilty of the crime. Here is the scenerio for him to pull this off- Angela leaves her female friend around 11:00pm so we know she was alive and well at that point. Rob gets the phone call from her just after 11pm and his brother is witness to this. His brother also can confirm what time Rob went running out of the house jumped in the car and sped away. Now someone said earlier that Rob was at the police station around midnight, so this would mean if he had done this he went to the payphone where she was, (we know she was there because that is where her car was left) abducted her, killed her, disposed of her body then driven back to the main part of town drove down the street throwing his car in reverse (to lend credence to his story of giving chase) then went to call police with the story he cooked up. All of this would have had to taken place in about 45 minutes. Im sure this is the same evidence that law enforcement looked at when they cleared him. I would really like to see the full police reports and find out if indeed an APB was put out or if Mutual Aid was enacted. My guess is the police had a very slow reaction time and the killer got very lucky.
SP4CE INV4DERZ 03-05-2007, 12:47 AM One last thing, my YouTube postings - How did I cause friction between posters and the moderator? I think they were all just curious to know WHY you couldn't post YouTube links on this message board. There was no fighting or friction between the members of this board. Once again, exaggerate much? Way to pull untrue things out of mid air to prove your point.
I'm not saying this was your fault but I happen to know for a fact that this whole YT thing has caused its fair share of friction for Crystaldawn.
btw, to those who question Rob's behavour here, you've given me something to think about next time I watch Angela Hammond's case.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-05-2007, 01:01 AM After really looking into this I can't see any way that Rob could be guilty of the crime.
WOO! Kane7474 and I are finally on the same page! :banana: :banana: :banana:
dynoguy88 03-05-2007, 01:53 AM I'm not saying this was your fault but I happen to know for a fact that this whole YT thing has caused its fair share of friction for Crystaldawn.
Yes, I know it did. But that was also going on LONG before I even started uploading segments to YouTube. BibleCode06 is acting like I actually set out to CAUSE friction between crystaldawn and the posters here which couldn't be farther from the truth.
Can we please get back on topic here and drop any personal insults? Thank you.
wiseguy182 03-05-2007, 04:25 AM Awsi had a good point recently about little real world twists. I just thought of another one for this case: Notice when Angela interrupts her conversation with Rob, and steps out of the booth to ask the guy "Do you need help with something" or something to that effect. Angela is perhaps a tad suspicious at this point, and probably said that to reaffirm herself that this was nothing to worry about. Unforunately, we all know what happened next.
chet_58 03-05-2007, 06:25 AM I wish there were more details in this case.. The whole case is based off of what one person saw and tahts Rob. It seems almost impossible that someobody that was even driving in Clinton that night didnt even see the vehicle?? This is what leads everyone to believe Rob could of made the whole thing up.. I think he would of had to have an accomplice. What is Rob doing now?
LooksLikeCRicci 03-05-2007, 11:38 AM I disagree with the accomplice theory. I tend to agree with others on the board who feel that the abductor/killer was a man who just happened to get VERY VERY lucky.
In response to the earlier post about Rob being unable to get a license plate number, didn't he say that the vehicle was dirty and that the plates were covered with mud/dirt? I'll have to rewatch this segment to make sure, but I want to say that there is a reason Rob didn't get the license plate number. My best guess is that he didn't get as close as UM portrayed the segment...
chet_58 03-05-2007, 12:23 PM Its almost impossible to believe that someone got that lucky to get away but i guess it happened?? I would hate to think Rob did it but he could of, the whole story on UM is based on what Rob said.. No witnesses.
Jediknight1823 03-05-2007, 04:47 PM In response to the earlier post about Rob being unable to get a license plate number, didn't he say that the vehicle was dirty and that the plates were covered with mud/dirt? I'll have to rewatch this segment to make sure, but I want to say that there is a reason Rob didn't get the license plate number. My best guess is that he didn't get as close as UM portrayed the segment...
He may not have gotten as close to the truck as the UM segment said. But I'd imagine that getting the license plate wasn't exactly priority number 1 in his mind. The number 1 priority would be to get his girlfriend back, and in that situation, he probably wasn't thinking clearly. He left the house in a hurry, and didn't even hang up the phone. He was focused on catching the guy and getting Angela back. I find it believable that he wouldn't get the plate number.
I don't think that Rob had anything to do with it. I go with the theory that it was someone who had an escape route planned. It could have also been the only time he drove that vehicle.
kane7474 03-05-2007, 04:54 PM WOO! Kane7474 and I are finally on the same page! :banana: :banana: :banana:
Dont speak to fast, I haven't given you the whole CIA angle in this yet lol
LooksLikeCRicci 03-05-2007, 05:04 PM Oh, I was waiting for the CIA angle. It's come to be your trademark... :p
BibleCode06 03-05-2007, 05:49 PM [QUOTE=chet_58]I wish there were more details in this case.. QUOTE]
That is all I am saying. We need more info to fill in the gaps. Here are a few more questions that more details can help filling in.
What happened between 10PM to 11:15PM? She left Rob at 10PM and was going home. Yet she calls him 75 minutes later from a booth only 7 blocks away. Did she go shopping that late? I mean only 7-11 and Wallmarts are opened that late in those towns. Why would a pregnant women be wandering around that late instead of going directly home? If anyone knows please fill in the time gap.
The criminal must be one hell of a driver. One hand in the wheel of a high speed chase and another hand holding Angie who we must assume was fighting for her life. When she saw Rob did that inspire her to hit him in the eyes or groin? Did she try to jump? Was there defensive wounds?
Was there skid marks that left tire prints within a short radius of the incident? All we hear the Missouri Police say that it was linked to the other abductions. WHich I concede could have happened. But answers to these questions would be helpful.
Finally, last not always jump to conclusions about facial expressions and body language. How many can say that really thought that the DJ Radio Hoax was a fraud? The guy even said "We will trade all publicity for this case not to be true." Many bought Susan Smith's passionate teary-eyed story about a black guy taking her kids. All the sobs and weeps turned out to be fake as she killed them her self. I myself once interviewed a Red haired 17-year old Arizona boy for pre-arraignment ROR purposes. He seemed innocuous and docile. It turned out he escaped from a juvenile facility after decapitating a police officer.
I can't say that Rob is 100% innocent or guilty. But if his story is true then the killer must be one of the most daring and highly skilled MF we have ever seen. :(
LooksLikeCRicci 03-05-2007, 06:53 PM I'm positive that Angela Hammond wasn't Laci Peterson pregnant at the time she disappeared. Given that it wasn't even mentioned in the UM segment or on her Doe Network page, I would be willing to bet that she was in the early stages of pregnancy; no more than 12 weeks. While I understand why her activities of that night may be of interest, I don't really think they are significant unless she was later abducted by someone who had spotted her earlier that night. Quite a few people have mentioned that they feel the abductor staked out a location and this is the most plausible theory to me, in the sense that the abductor picked a remote location and just waited for someone to stumble into the trap.
Angela Hammond was 4'11," and 120 pounds. I know that petite women can be fiesty (I'm a petite woman) but I find it hard to believe that a girl Angela's size could fend off an attacker, especially if he had done something to the passenger side door which made it unable for her to open it. This is pure speculation, but who's to say that the abductor didn't disable the passenger door? At 4'11," and 120 pounds, it's pretty easy for someone to grab you and toss you into a pickup before you know what's happening. I've got a few inches on Angela and more self-defense training, yet when I place myself in the same situation, I realistically view my chances of escape as slim.
To me, this case is one filled with "if only's." If only Angela hadn't stopped to call Rob from the pay phone... if only Rob had come by a few minutes earlier... if only someone happened by the area at the time of the abduction... if only someone had seen the high speed chase... if only it hadn't been past 11pm on a Thursday night... In my opinion, there were just too many variables that even the most skilled of predators could not account for. Therefore, I still feel that the abductor was not skilled, but simply very lucky.
kane7474 03-05-2007, 10:49 PM [QUOTE=chet_58]I wish there were more details in this case.. QUOTE]
That is all I am saying. We need more info to fill in the gaps. Here are a few more questions that more details can help filling in.
What happened between 10PM to 11:15PM? She left Rob at 10PM and was going home. Yet she calls him 75 minutes later from a booth only 7 blocks away. Did she go shopping that late? I mean only 7-11 and Wallmarts are opened that late in those towns. Why would a pregnant women be wandering around that late instead of going directly home? If anyone knows please fill in the time gap.
The criminal must be one hell of a driver. One hand in the wheel of a high speed chase and another hand holding Angie who we must assume was fighting for her life. When she saw Rob did that inspire her to hit him in the eyes or groin? Did she try to jump? Was there defensive wounds?
Was there skid marks that left tire prints within a short radius of the incident? All we hear the Missouri Police say that it was linked to the other abductions. WHich I concede could have happened. But answers to these questions would be helpful.
Finally, last not always jump to conclusions about facial expressions and body language. How many can say that really thought that the DJ Radio Hoax was a fraud? The guy even said "We will trade all publicity for this case not to be true." Many bought Susan Smith's passionate teary-eyed story about a black guy taking her kids. All the sobs and weeps turned out to be fake as she killed them her self. I myself once interviewed a Red haired 17-year old Arizona boy for pre-arraignment ROR purposes. He seemed innocuous and docile. It turned out he escaped from a juvenile facility after decapitating a police officer.
I can't say that Rob is 100% innocent or guilty. But if his story is true then the killer must be one of the most daring and highly skilled MF we have ever seen. :(
As the story went Angela dropped Rob off at his house after the BBQ because he had to watch his little brother. She went to visit a friend of hers and thats where she was between 10 and 11pm. Im guessing this friend of hers confirmed this to the police.
I spoke to a friend today that has lived in Clinton for the last 25 years and I asked him about this case. The first words out of his mouth was that "Not many people beileve Rob's story". The funny thing is though they don't beileve he killed her, instead they think she ran away and she along with Rob cooked up the abduction story so she could move somewhere else. I know it sounds odd but according to this guy that is the popular opinion of people in the area. I really dont know if people who say things like that ever looked into the case or know about the other abductions.
I also asked this guy if he thought it would be possible to pull this off and if the killer could have really gotten away so easily. He told me it did not surprise him in the least and here's why- Where Rob's car broke down during the chase was very close to the Clinton city limit, so if Rob contacted them they would have called the Henry county sherriffs dept first. My friend told me that this Sherriffs dept is a bunch of incompetant boobs (this was his exact words) that couldn't get a cat out of a tree. If the killer got on hwy 13 it would only take him 10 or 15 minutes to get out of Henry county and into Johnson county, from there it would only take him another 20 minutes to hit I-70 and from that point he could have went anywhere. On the other hand if he traveled the opposite direction he could have gotten into Benton county in about 20-30minutes, this is a very rural area with lots of gravel backroads and wooded areas to hide in.
So you see, if it took Rob some time to contact the police then even more time for the locals to contact the county this guy could have easily been out of their jurisdiction. This would leave only the handfull of hiway patrol officers (if they were indeed contacted) to search for the truck.
My Friend also told me that for many years after this ordeal Angela's family was being contacted by police telling them that she had been sighted in Cananda and a few other places.
chet_58 03-05-2007, 11:10 PM [QUOTE=BibleCode06]
As the story went Angela dropped Rob off at his house after the BBQ because he had to watch his little brother. She went to visit a friend of hers and thats where she was between 10 and 11pm. Im guessing this friend of hers confirmed this to the police.
I spoke to a friend today that has lived in Clinton for the last 25 years and I asked him about this case. The first words out of his mouth was that "Not many people beileve Rob's story". The funny thing is though they don't beileve he killed her, instead they think she ran away and she along with Rob cooked up the abduction story so she could move somewhere else. I know it sounds odd but according to this guy that is the popular opinion of people in the area. I really dont know if people who say things like that ever looked into the case or know about the other abductions.
I also asked this guy if he thought it would be possible to pull this off and if the killer could have really gotten away so easily. He told me it did not surprise him in the least and here's why- Where Rob's car broke down during the chase was very close to the Clinton city limit, so if Rob contacted them they would have called the Henry county sherriffs dept first. My friend told me that this Sherriffs dept is a bunch of incompetant boobs (this was his exact words) that couldn't get a cat out of a tree. If the killer got on hwy 13 it would only take him 10 or 15 minutes to get out of Henry county and into Johnson county, from there it would only take him another 20 minutes to hit I-70 and from that point he could have went anywhere. On the other hand if he traveled the opposite direction he could have gotten into Benton county in about 20-30minutes, this is a very rural area with lots of gravel backroads and wooded areas to hide in.
So you see, if it took Rob some time to contact the police then even more time for the locals to contact the county this guy could have easily been out of their jurisdiction. This would leave only the handfull of hiway patrol officers (if they were indeed contacted) to search for the truck.
My Friend also told me that for many years after this ordeal Angela's family was being contacted by police telling them that she had been sighted in Cananda and a few other places.
I could see rob doing it before anglea just dissapearing... If she dissapeared on her own to get away what did she drive, where did she go, why did she go??? If she was pregnant why would she leave her fiance and her family??? Who is the ex boyfriend that was being questioned.. I could see on the UM clip picture of a newspaper that Rob and an ex boyfriend were being questioned. It just seems way too weird that she would call when she was only 7 blocks away and pregnant. Why didnt she just stop bye??? where did she live??? Rob also said on hin UM interview that he was meeting her uptown that night??? WHy would he meet her up town on Thursday night when nobody was anywhere to be seen in Clinton. If a truck existed someone, somewhere saw it that night besides Rob and Angela.. What if Angela is alive somewhere??? Where are people getting these spottings from Canada, i know UM said something about it at the end , but i just cant see her being alive and thats why I think this all has to fall back on Rob.
kane7474 03-06-2007, 02:16 PM [QUOTE=kane7474]
I could see rob doing it before anglea just dissapearing... If she dissapeared on her own to get away what did she drive, where did she go, why did she go??? If she was pregnant why would she leave her fiance and her family??? Who is the ex boyfriend that was being questioned.. I could see on the UM clip picture of a newspaper that Rob and an ex boyfriend were being questioned. It just seems way too weird that she would call when she was only 7 blocks away and pregnant. Why didnt she just stop bye??? where did she live??? Rob also said on hin UM interview that he was meeting her uptown that night??? WHy would he meet her up town on Thursday night when nobody was anywhere to be seen in Clinton. If a truck existed someone, somewhere saw it that night besides Rob and Angela.. What if Angela is alive somewhere??? Where are people getting these spottings from Canada, i know UM said something about it at the end , but i just cant see her being alive and thats why I think this all has to fall back on Rob.
You raise a very interesting point about who the ex boyfriend is. I always thought the whole story about Angela dropping Rob off then going to a freinds then calling him within an hour was odd. They were newly engaged and this is the point in time when couples want to spend every waking moment with one another, so why then did she just not stay at the house with him? Could it be that she actually went to see this ex boyfriend and Rob got a call from someone informing him, then he leaves the house in a jealous rage, catches her at the phone booth, kills her and disposes of the body, then cooks up the whole story. I guess this scenrio could be possible it would mean Rob's little brother would not have to be lying, he had no idea why Rob ran out and got into the car and sped off. It would mean though the ex boyfriend would have to be lying about being with Angela, the female friend would have to be lying if she confirmed that Angela was with her just before the incident. Rob would also have had to hide the body really well in a short amount of time, keep in mind they had hundreds of people out combing the area on foot the next day. This would also mean that Rob fooled a polygraph and every investigator that looked into the case.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-06-2007, 02:57 PM LOL. You had me worried for a second, Kane7474. I thought you were going to switch sides on me again! :)
Back to my celebrating... :banana::banana::banana:
chet_58 03-06-2007, 04:00 PM What is that song that is playing on angelas radio when she drops off rob on the UM segment?? I know i have heard that before.. Also how old was Robs brother????? Was he a teenager, was he an infant? and im still wondering who this x boyfriend is??? THeres so many things that UM didnt fill in and I cant find any information on it anywhere
kane7474 03-06-2007, 04:36 PM LOL. You had me worried for a second, Kane7474. I thought you were going to switch sides on me again! :)
Back to my celebrating... :banana::banana::banana:
No Not at all Im just trying to explore the possibilities to show that it would have been near impossible for him to pull off and get away with.;)
kane7474 03-06-2007, 04:56 PM What is that song that is playing on angelas radio when she drops off rob on the UM segment?? I know i have heard that before.. Also how old was Robs brother????? Was he a teenager, was he an infant? and im still wondering who this x boyfriend is??? THeres so many things that UM didnt fill in and I cant find any information on it anywhere
I can't hear the song well enough to know exactly what it is because Stack is talking over it. From what I could hear it sounds like either Morrisey or the Cure.
longliveum 03-06-2007, 06:33 PM Can we post newspaper articles here? I have about 4-5 in my email that I purchased to read about this case from the Kansas City Star archives. One of the articles stated Angela worked tallying evening accounts at a Clinton bank. There was another article that said two other witnesses saw a man in a truck at the location of the crime matching the description of the suspect.
Hmmmm, I thought that was interesting. Anyway, would be happy to post these if it isn't against this website's rules. It would also take up quite a bit of space on a post so I don't know about that either. If someone could just let me know either way.
BibleCode06 03-06-2007, 07:11 PM [QUOTE=kane7474]
I could see rob doing it before anglea just dissapearing... If she dissapeared on her own to get away what did she drive, where did she go, why did she go??? If she was pregnant why would she leave her fiance and her family??? Who is the ex boyfriend that was being questioned.. I could see on the UM clip picture of a newspaper that Rob and an ex boyfriend were being questioned. It just seems way too weird that she would call when she was only 7 blocks away and pregnant. Why didnt she just stop bye??? where did she live??? Rob also said on hin UM interview that he was meeting her uptown that night??? WHy would he meet her up town on Thursday night when nobody was anywhere to be seen in Clinton. If a truck existed someone, somewhere saw it that night besides Rob and Angela.. What if Angela is alive somewhere??? Where are people getting these spottings from Canada, i know UM said something about it at the end , but i just cant see her being alive and thats why I think this all has to fall back on Rob.
TRUER WORDS couldn't have been spoken. I mean the next day she works and why stay up so late in a weekday? I will raise a few more questions and let the board answer them. So it will be my last post on this to avoid giving TJ and CD a headache.
1)Where is the Truck? Many Criminals after commiting a crime often abandon the vehicle especially after a manhunt is after thier suspicious looking truck. Even the young Texas killing spree kid wearing the IRON MAIDEN "Purgatory" shirt knew to throw the car in a lake or swamp. The killer knew that Rob saw his truck and reported it to the authorities and likely wouldn't keep driving it. Of course, he might have thrown it in a nice lake or swamp but you would think it would turn up by now, I mean it's not like a small dodge neon.
2)The police narrowed the vehicle up to 1600 matches. Yet after many computer runs and assuming help from FBI profilers they don't come up with nothing. The authorities have the technology available to match it with other felons or possible suspicious criminals.
3) The Highway escape-The killer had to kill Angie before he headed to the highway. There is no way he will have the manual dexterity of driving at a high speed on a multi-lane highway while having someone fighting them. So he had to park the car and shoot. Likely in a more populated area if he was headed to the highway. I have lived in small rural areas. We all know that 18 Wheel Truckers work 24 hours a day and highways often have stable traffic regardless of the time of day. Yet no one reported nothing in the days after the dissapperance.
4)From leaving the barbecue at 9PM to the phone call of 11:15PM that gives ROB over 2 hours to kill and dispose. Also Angie didn't go upstairs so his little brother can't corroborate his story that she dropped him off.
These are just questions. If Rob's story is true then the guy was more them lucky he was daring to take someone from a phone booth where they could have been talking to police for all he knew and also skilled to hide his license plate# with mud and not getting stopped or drawing suspicion, driving with one arm and wresting angie, killing her in silence, escaping the APB if there was one, not having someone see you in the highway, disposing the body in a way that no one finds it, eliminating the vehicle after the crime, and also not getting any questioning after the police and FBI investigate 1600 possible hits. Once again, he is one highly skilled WELL you know what.
kadrmas15 03-06-2007, 11:36 PM Okay, I think that Rob Schafer is innocent. Some have asked, well why didnt they find the truck? It could be the guy was from Kansas, Clinton isnt super far from the Kansas border. Also in regards to road blocks, in those days I am sure that communication between law enforcement agencies in different counties and jurisdictions was terrible. The guy in the truck I imagien high tailed it out of there and I also imagine he was very familiar with the area and probably stuck to gravel country roads to avoid having to go on the more frequented roads where cops or lots of other traffic may be. I will tell you that at least in my area here in rural Minnesota cops do not patrol gravel roads on a regular or even semi regular basis. They dont like to get their cars dirty and a lot of them do not go on gravel unless they are called out there.
This guy in the truck I am sure had done this before and I agree with Awsi that I think that while this guy didnt stalk Angela or any other victim he did select sites to stake out. I am sure he had seen this site before in Clinton and had studied it and liked what he saw.
Also, I believe someone earlier was saying some nonsense about how "if that were my girlfriend I would have been down there right away and blah, blah, blah. Well I will tell you, I remember in the renactment that Rob said "maybe I should come down there." Angie reassured him more than once I believe that things were okay and that he didnt need to come down. I think Angie was made uneasy by the man in the truck but I dont think she was alarmed by him at least not to the point to ask Rob to come down. Rob was about 7 blocks away, Rob flew out of the house and the last thing he heard on the phone was the guy in the truck saying "I didnt need to use the phone anyway." He sped down, and was down there in like a minute it seemed like. I am sure the cops checked out his c ar to make sure the transmission was in fact destroyed basically. The times dont add up with Rob having been able to pull this off because her body would have been found I think had he done it. I have been in towns the size of Clinton before at night, and I believe this happened on a week night at like 10, 11 at night. I will tell you I think things would have been dead in that town, there might have been a few drunks in the downtown bars and that would have been about the extent of people out. So I dont really think it is all that far fetched that no one saw Rob speeding down the street or saw the mysterious truck. IT could also b e people s aw it and didnt come forward because they didnt want to be involved.
As I said, this is the kind of crap that happens when they cant find who did it. People start to get mad and they want to blame someone for it and Rob Schafer certainly is a convinenent person for people to blame for it. If in fact the time frames add up the guy in the truck would have been out of the county probably by the time the Clinton police got an APB out, and I am sure the neighboring county's didnt know about this stuff until long after Angie had been abducted and I am sure the Missouri state highway patrol was only watching the highways and major roads and I am sure you wouldnt see troopers stationed on the county gravel roads.
Also people stay up late all the time if they have to work the next day. I dont think that means Rob must be lying because she was up late at night. I mean that sounds like just desperation to try to prove Rob guilty. Also who is to say the killer shot her? He might have shot her, however he might have perferred a less noisy way of killing her like stabbing her or strangling her or something like that. Also it is very possible the truck wasnt found because besides the fact there were over 3 thousand possiblities in Missouri, who is to say the truck was even registered in Missouri? The killer could have very well been from a neighboring state like Kansas, Oklahoma or Arkansas. I mean I guess I dont think Rob's story is that far fetched. I mean it isnt exactly unheard of for a killer to plan things ahead of time and go to great lengths to avoid detection. He could have taken a gravel road which is what I think he did. You could go on gravel roads at night and have little to no traffic. You would be free to pretty much do anything you wanted. Didnt Angie go to see a friend after her and Rob left the Barbaque? Than after she left the friends house she stopped at the phones in the center of town? I thought that is how it went?
LooksLikeCRicci 03-07-2007, 12:52 AM Don't forget that Angie was either 19 or 20 at the time of her disappearance. I'm 27 and I'm up at all hours of the night, no matter what the day of the week is. :)
Awsi Dooger 03-07-2007, 01:33 AM Can we post newspaper articles here? I have about 4-5 in my email that I purchased to read about this case from the Kansas City Star archives. One of the articles stated Angela worked tallying evening accounts at a Clinton bank. There was another article that said two other witnesses saw a man in a truck at the location of the crime matching the description of the suspect.
Hmmmm, I thought that was interesting. Anyway, would be happy to post these if it isn't against this website's rules. It would also take up quite a bit of space on a post so I don't know about that either. If someone could just let me know either way.
As far as I know there's no reason you can't post those articles. I'd love to see them. Rules vary from site to site. Some only allow three paragraphs from a copyrighted source but here I've seen entire lengthy articles posted many times. Go for it.
longliveum 03-07-2007, 11:55 AM OK, here goes, I will post a couple now and a couple more later when time permits:
The Kansas City Star
April 7, 1991
Clinton woman is kidnapped Boyfriend hears her screams.Link to other abductions suspected.
Author: JOE LAMBE; Staff Writer
Edition: METROPOLITAN
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
Estimated printed pages: 2
Article Text:
Before she disappeared late Thursday, Angela M. Hammond got off work and called her boyfriend from a pay telephone in an empty supermarket parking lot in Clinton, Mo.
As she spoke, the 20-year-old woman noticed an old green pickup circling the lot. Suspicious, she described the truck over the phone. The truck stopped, and she told her boyfriend of the man who got out - a white man with glasses, a mustache and a beard.
Then she screamed, said her boyfriend, Rob Shafer of Clinton.
The phone went dead.
Shafer, 18, said in an interview Saturday that after Hammond screamed he jumped into his car and raced to the Food Barn parking lot, about 11 p.m. Thursday.
He passed what he thought was a yellow truck. Then he heard Hammond scream again.
"When she screamed at me out the window," he said, "I put it in reverse and started chasing him. " Shafer chased the truck about a mile, he said, racing so! uth on Clinton's 2nd Street, then turning west on Culvert Drive.
But his car's transmission failed, Shafer said, and the pickup - maybe a 1969 or 1970 Ford - sped away. The truck may have had a decal of a water scene on the back window.
Hammond has not been seen since. Police found her car in the parking lot that night, said Clinton Detective Damon Parsons. The FBI and Henry County Sheriff also are investigating.
Authorities believe Hammond's abduction could be related to kidnappings in January and February of women in Camden County, Mo., and Nevada, Mo.
One of the women, Trudy Darby, 42, was abducted in January from a convenience store near Macks Creek in Camden County, where she worked as a clerk. Shortly before she disappeared, about 10 p.m. Jan. 19, she called her son from work telling him about a suspicious man outside the store.
When her son arrived five minutes later, he found only his mother's purse and an empty ! cash drawer, police said. Authorities found Darby's nude body two day s later in the Little Niangua River.
She had been shot twice in the head with a shotgun.
The other woman, also a convenience store clerk, disappeared Feb. 27, right after closing up for the night about 10 p.m. Police said the woman, Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30, has never been found. Her car was discovered the next morning outside the Nevada convenience store.
Hammond worked tallying evening accounts at a Clinton bank. Max Geiman, special agent for the FBI in Kansas City, said there was no solid evidence linking the three abductions, but police were examining possible connections.
"This is extremely suspicous," he said.
Police searched the area by air Saturday but found nothing, Parsons said.
Angela's parents, Kathy and Chris Hammond of Olathe, said Saturday that all they can do now is wait and worry. Kathy Hammond has been passing out her stepdaughter's picture to newspapers and television stations, hoping for a breakthrough.
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The Kansas City Star
April 11, 1991
FBI questions teens about missing woman Lie-detector tests are given to her fiance and former boyfriend.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP; Springfield Correspondent
Edition: MID-AMERICA
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: C1
Estimated printed pages: 2
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The fiance and a former boyfriend of a missing Clinton, Mo., woman were given lie-detector tests Wednesday, but investigators refused to comment on the results.
The two teen-agers said they were questioned about whether they were involved in the disappearance of 20-year-old Angela M. Hammond, who apparently was abducted a week ago from a Clinton supermarket parking lot.
"I guess they were just trying to clear us as suspects," said Bill Barker, the 17-year-old former boyfriend of Hammond, in a telephone interview. "They were asking why we would do something like this to her. " Hammond's fiance, Rob Shafer, said FBI agents administering the tests implied that he and Barker might have been involved.
"They don't think my story's very good," Shafer, 18, said by phone. "I told them everything I know. " Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons, who is heading the investigation, and FBI spokesman Max Geiman declined to ! discuss the polygraph tests. Both men said investigators continued to follow up on leads but had not made any substantial progress Wednesday.
Parsons said that while "everyone is a suspect," Shafer and Barker were questioned as "primary witnesses. " Barker said he was questioned for about three hours Wednesday afternoon; Shafer said he spent about five hours with FBI agents.
"I think they're barking up the wrong tree here," Shafer said.
"They need to focus on who really did this and not on people who didn't. " Hammond, who is four months pregnant, disappeared last Thursday from a parking lot telephone booth at a Clinton supermarket. Shafer has said he and Hammond were talking about a suspicious man nearby when he heard her scream and the phone line went dead.
Shafer said he jumped in his truck and was rushing toward the parking lot, a few blocks from his home, when he heard Hammond yell his name from a passing pickup. Shafer sa! id he tried to follow the truck but could not catch it before his truc k's transmission gave out.
Parsons said Shafer was given a ride to the police station and arrived about midnight. Hammond was last seen by friends about 11:15 p.m. Thursday. She apparently stopped at the phone booth because she did not have a telephone.
Shafer and Barker said they have been out looking for Hammond every day since she disappeared.
"We haven't found anything yet," said Barker, who has continued his friendship with Hammond since they stopped dating late last year. "In a way that could be good. We just don't know. " Hammond was described as 5 feet tall, 140 pounds, with light brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white shirt with black spots, black slacks and tennis shoes. The truck was described as a green, late 1960s model Ford with a water or fish scene in the back window.
kane7474 03-07-2007, 12:26 PM WOW, Did everyone notice that in the first article we get a whole different story about where she had been before she was kidnapped. Its says that she had just gotten off work at the bank then went to the pay phone to call Rob. So what about the BBQ they were supposedly at? What about the freind she went to see after dropping Rob off? Was all this made up by UM. Rob actually gave the account on the show so someone is off here. Was she at work or at a freinds house? Thank you for posting the articles I hope you have more.
Something else I noticed, in the second article it says that friends last saw Angela at 11:15 then goes on to say Rob was at the police station around midnight. As I said before this gave him about 45 minutes to pull of the crime and hide the body. I just dont see that its possible for him to be involved.
kane7474 03-07-2007, 02:42 PM [QUOTE=chet_58]
TRUER WORDS couldn't have been spoken. I mean the next day she works and why stay up so late in a weekday? I will raise a few more questions and let the board answer them. So it will be my last post on this to avoid giving TJ and CD a headache.
1)Where is the Truck? Many Criminals after commiting a crime often abandon the vehicle especially after a manhunt is after thier suspicious looking truck. Even the young Texas killing spree kid wearing the IRON MAIDEN "Purgatory" shirt knew to throw the car in a lake or swamp. The killer knew that Rob saw his truck and reported it to the authorities and likely wouldn't keep driving it. Of course, he might have thrown it in a nice lake or swamp but you would think it would turn up by now, I mean it's not like a small dodge neon.
2)The police narrowed the vehicle up to 1600 matches. Yet after many computer runs and assuming help from FBI profilers they don't come up with nothing. The authorities have the technology available to match it with other felons or possible suspicious criminals.
3) The Highway escape-The killer had to kill Angie before he headed to the highway. There is no way he will have the manual dexterity of driving at a high speed on a multi-lane highway while having someone fighting them. So he had to park the car and shoot. Likely in a more populated area if he was headed to the highway. I have lived in small rural areas. We all know that 18 Wheel Truckers work 24 hours a day and highways often have stable traffic regardless of the time of day. Yet no one reported nothing in the days after the dissapperance.
4)From leaving the barbecue at 9PM to the phone call of 11:15PM that gives ROB over 2 hours to kill and dispose. Also Angie didn't go upstairs so his little brother can't corroborate his story that she dropped him off.
These are just questions. If Rob's story is true then the guy was more them lucky he was daring to take someone from a phone booth where they could have been talking to police for all he knew and also skilled to hide his license plate# with mud and not getting stopped or drawing suspicion, driving with one arm and wresting angie, killing her in silence, escaping the APB if there was one, not having someone see you in the highway, disposing the body in a way that no one finds it, eliminating the vehicle after the crime, and also not getting any questioning after the police and FBI investigate 1600 possible hits. Once again, he is one highly skilled WELL you know what.
I will do my best to answer your questions with the information that we have now.
1. Where is the truck? That body style and year of truck was very popular as you heard on the segment the highway patrol came up with 1600 possible matches in the state of Missouri and we dont even know if the truck was indeed registered here. He could easily remove the mural in the back window and the truck blends in with all the rest. For all we know once he got far enough away he could have taken the truck to a junk yard and sold it for scrap.
Next, The killer did not have to kill Angie before getting away. He could have knocked her out or sedated her with chlorophorm, who knows. He may also have conviced her that he would not hurt her if she would just be calm, in her panic state of mind she may have beileved him and not fought with him. As far as someone reporting seeing the truck goes, just imagine yourself driving down the highway one night and the next day someone asking you to remember a certain vehicle that drove by you or passed you. If your not looking for a certain car then you just space off and pay no mind to every make and model of car that you encounter.
As for your last question about them leaving the BBQ and Rob having two hours to kill her, for that to have happened Rob's brother would have had to by lying when he said Rob was home watching him at 10pm and Angie's friend would have had to lie when she said she was with her between 10:00 and 11:00PM. I also don't think it took any skill on the part of the abductor to hide his plates, a handful of mud would do the trick just fine. When you talk about how odd it is he got away just think about the other two women in the area that disappeared, no one saw anything suspicious then either, no witnesses and no one was ever caught and charged with the crime.
longliveum 03-07-2007, 03:27 PM You're welcome Kane7474...here are the last (3) of the articles I have. I would have loved to have downloaded all of them but I had to pay $3 or $4 for each so I had to set a limit.
The Kansas City Star
April 13, 1991
Are disappearances linked? Investigators need proof Serial killer theory is built on thin evidence.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP; Springfield Correspondent
Edition: MID-AMERICA
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
Index Terms:
Murder
Estimated printed pages: 4
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CLINTON, Mo.-As gruesome as it sounds, investigators really need another body.
They would rather find Cheryl Ann Kenney and Angela Hammond alive, of course, but if the two missing women are dead, authorities need to find them to help piece together what is now little more than a scrambled puzzle of speculation and coincidence.
The disappearances of Kenney in Nevada and Hammond in Clinton, and the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby in Macks Creek, have prompted investigators, residents and the press to wonder about a link - to ask whether a serial killer is at work in west-central Missouri.
But so far, federal, state, county and local officers searching for the two women have barely enough information to try to find them, let alone figure out whether they are victims of the same criminal.
"You've got to have some concrete physical evidence before determining if there's any pattern," said Max Geiman, an FBI spokesm! an in Kansas City. "There's not been anything at all to tie these together yet. " Typically, serial killer investigations develop by looking for patterns in victims, methods or frequency.
In the three recent cases, over less than 11 weeks, Darby, Kenney and Hammond disappeared from otherwise deserted stores in their rural hometowns, about 80 miles apart.
Each woman is white and was alone when she vanished. At least two, and possibly all three, apparently were outside the store. In two of the cases, a possible suspect was described as a white man with a beard and moustache.
But in other respects, no pattern is apparent.
The women range in age from 20 to 42. They vary in height from 5 feet to 5 feet 7 inches. Two are blonde; one has light-brown hair. One was robbed of cash; the others had little or no money.
Geiman said investigators cannot really connect the apparent abductions without finding the women.
I! f they are dead, finding them would provide critical information to de velop a profile of the killer. Such information includes autopsy results to let officers know how the person died, and perhaps some similarities in the areas where the bodies are found.
Without anything specific to suggest a serial killer in the three recent cases, investigators at this point continue to tackle the disappearances as separate cases, while continuing to compare notes.
Meanwhile, rumors fly in all three towns about what happened to the women, and residents try to keep it from happening again.
Neighbors watch out for each other a little more, and friends keep better tabs on friends.
Debbie Hicks, who, with her husband, owns the convenience store where Darby worked, said she is much more aware of strangers.
"I find myself watching what cars pull up and who gets out," Hicks said. "We've always known that someone might pull a gun or something,but this wasn't just a robbery. This was different. It's sick. " Darby vanishes ! in January The first case began unfolding about 10 p.m. on Jan. 19 when Trudy Darby, 42, was closing the K&D Country Corner convenience store in Macks Creek. Darby called her son because she was concerned about a suspicious man outside. She gave no description.
By the time her son arrived a few minutes later, Darby was gone. The store was unlocked, the lights were on, and about $220 was missing from the cash drawer.
Her nude body was found two days later in the Little Niangua River. She had been shot twice in the head with an automatic pistol.
About three or four weeks later, authorities found all of Darby's clothes in the river. Tipton said they also found the store's bank bag with Darby's rings inside, but not the stolen cash.
Area residents who passed by the store the Saturday night Darby disappeared told authorities of a large, light blue car, possibly a Chevrolet Impala or Caprice, parked in a rest area near the store. Tipton said the man was described as "barely fitting behind the w heel," in his late 30s or early 40s, with a beard and moustache.
That man has not been found. Tipton said he has little else to go on, even though his case is farther along than the others in that Darby's body was found.
"Our case is at a standstill," the sheriff said. "If one of their cases develops, our case may develop. " About 80 miles west of Macks Creek on U.S. 54 in Nevada, Cheryl Ann Kenney vanished 39 days after Darby disappeared.
Shortly after 10 p.m. on Feb. 27, Kenney, 30, locked up LJ's Quality Convenience Store. She has not been heard from since.
Nevada police say they found her car parked at the store. It was locked and undisturbed. Nothing was missing from the store.
"We don't have a suspect or anything," Nevada Police Capt. John Eador said. "We can't say we've even had an abduction for sure, but we're working it as if there's foul play involved and hoping for the best. " Police checked into thr! ee possible sightings of Kenney in Lamar, Mo., in March, but none of those was confirmed. Authorities also question whether she would voluntarily have left her husband, two children and ailing father while carrying only about $6. Thirty-six days after Kenney disappeared, Hammond, 20, vanished shortly before midnight April 4 from a Clinton parking lot less than a mile from her home.
As she talked with her fiance, Hammond described a suspicious man in a pickup who was in the parking lot, the fiance told police.
A moment later, she screamed and the line went dead.
Hammond's fiance, Rob Shafer, said he headed for the parking lot. On his way, he said, he passed a pickup and heard Hammond scream his name. Shafer tried to follow the late 1960s Ford truck, which had a water or fish scene in the rear window, but was unable to catch it before his truck's transmission failed.
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The Kansas City Star
October 4, 1991
Family of missing woman hasn't given up hope Angela Hammond vanished 6 months ago.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP; Springfield Correspondent
Edition: METROPOLITAN
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
Index Terms:
Kidnapping
Estimated printed pages: 3
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CLINTON, Mo. - Day by day, those who know Angela Hammond try to get on with their lives.
Her fiance trains for the military. Her mother plans a long-delayed vacation. Her best friend seeks work in Colorado.
And yet they can't forget the night, six months ago today, when Hammond vanished just a few blocks from this west-central Missouri town's square. She hasn't been seen or heard from since.
"I know the statistics aren't good at this point for finding her, but until something happens, you can't give up," Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook, said this week. "The hope is always going to be there. " Hammond, 20, disappeared about 11:45 p.m. on April 4. Police think she was abducted while talking to her fiance from a pay telephone in supermarket parking lot. Hammond's fiance heard her scream, then the line went dead.
The disappearance sparked an intensive air and ground search across the region for days. A sp! ecial team of investigators - including Highway Patrol officers and federal agents - dug into the case. A reward fund topped $16,000.
Authorities also searched unsuccessfully for possible links to two similar disappearances in western Missouri.
In Nevada, a convenience store worker disappeared after closing up shop Feb. 27. In Macks Creek, Mo., another convenience store worker was robbed and abducted Jan. 19. Her body was found in the Little Niangua River two days later. Those cases also remain unsolved.
Investigators said this week that although similarities exist among the three cases, there still is no concrete evidence to connect the crimes.
And so far no solid clues in Hammond's case have been found.
Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said the investigation was no further along today than it was a few weeks after Hammond was abducted.
"There's someone out there who has information, but they just may not real! ize it," Parsons said. "Until they come forward or until she's found, there really is not much more we could do. " Authorities and Hammond's friends and family are now pinning their hopes on network television for leads in the case. The NBC-TV program "Unsolved Mysteries" will be in Clinton next week to re-enact the kidnapping. The episode is tentatively set to air in early December.
"Hopefully somebody will see this and have some information," said Hammond's stepmother, Kathy Hammond, of Olathe. "We feel so helpless and frustrated because there isn't anything we can do.
Maybe this show will bring some answers. " But the show may bring false hope. David Rader, one of the program's producers, said only two of 49 missing-persons cases presented on the show have been solved.
Police are looking for a late 1960s model Ford pickup with a water or outdoor scene in the rear window and possibly with a white top. The truck may have damage to its left front fender.
Two witnesses told police they saw a whit! e man with a mustache wearing a dark-colored baseball-style cap sitting in the truck near the telephone booth Hammond was using.
The witnesses' description is similar to one Hammond gave her fiance moments before the line went dead.
The lingering investigation has left Hammond's friends and family in a state of limbo.
"I guess you think time will heal everything, but we're six months down the road now and I'm still not any better," Cook said.
"It's still just a roller coaster of emotions. " This week Cook was planning her first vacation since her daughter disappeared. She won a trip to Florida through her work, but leaving was not an easy decision to make.
"I need some time to step back, but it was hard to decide to go out of town," Cook said. "I was convinced, though, that it would be OK to leave for a couple of days, and I really need that time. " Rob Shafer, Hammond's fiance, has been training as a National Guardsma! n at Fort Eustis, Va., since June. Attempts to reach him by telephone this week were unsuccessful.
But Hammond's mother said Shafer seems to be taking the disappearance hard. "He's kind of shut himself off," Cook said.
Posters still hang in storefront windows here and at truck stops and rest areas across the Midwest. Police have checked possible sightings of Hammond as far as Texas and looked into suspects in and out of prison. Conservation agents patrolling the area's hills and lakes are routinely reminded of the case.
"At least I know people are still out there looking," Cook said.
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The Kansas City Star
December 14, 1991
Missing Missouri woman reportedly sighted Angela Hammond disappeared in April. Man says he saw her in Canada in September.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP; Springfield Correspondent
Edition: METROPOLITAN
Section: METROPOLITAN
Page: C1
Estimated printed pages: 2
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An unconfirmed sighting of a missing Missouri woman has sparked new - but cautious - hope that she may be alive.
A Canadian resident says he saw Angela Hammond leaving a drugstore in Selkirk, Manitoba, Canada, in September. She got into a pickup truck.
Hammond, 20, has been missing since April 4, when she disappeared while talking to her fiance from an outdoor telephone in Clinton, Mo.
Russell Smith of Libau, Manitoba, said in a telephone interview Friday that he is positive that he saw Hammond.
"I know that I saw the girl," Smith said. "I know that for a fact. I may not remember someone's name, but I never forget a face. " Smith said he saw Hammond get into a green truck, which had a white top and a mural in the rear window. The truck's description is nearly identical to one seen near Hammond minutes before she disappeared.
Authorities in Clinton and in Canada said Friday that they do not doub! t Smith's sincerity but have been unable to confirm his sighting.
"Whether it's good or not, who knows? " Clinton Police Chief Bob Pattison said. "It was good enough to alert the Canadian authorities, but so far nothing has turned up. " Sgt. Bob MacQuarrie of the Royal Canadian Mounted Police said in a telephone interview Friday that his officers followed up on the tip without success.
"We're at a dead end," MacQuarrie said. "We've tried about everything we can do here. " Hammond was four months pregnant when she vanished and would have already given birth when Smith believes he saw her. Canadian police showed Hammond's picture everywhere, from hospitals to infant-clothing stores, motels to social-service agencies, but came up empty-handed.
Smith, 41, said he stumbled into the case in October while visiting relatives in Urich, Mo., which is about 15 miles from Clinton.
Smith noticed a missing persons poster featuring Hammon! d and thought she looked familiar. He later remembered he had seen a woman resembling Hammond leaving the Selkirk drugstore. Smith then went to Clinton police.
Selkirk is near Winnipeg, Manitoba, about 850 miles north of Kansas City on Interstate 29.
Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook, said Friday that the possible sighting was encouraging, but "I try to take it all with a grain of salt. " Police continue to look for possible links to at least three other apparent abductions that occurred this year within an 80-mile radius. So far, no connection has been established. The three: Trudy Darby, 42, who disappeared from the Camden County, Mo., convenience store where she worked. Moments earlier during a telephone conversation, she had told her son of a suspicious-looking man outside. Darby's body was found two days later. She had been shot to death.
Cheryl Ann Kinney, 30, who vanished after locking up a Nevada, Mo., convenience store where she worked. Her car, parked about 50 feet from the store, appeared t! o be untouched. She has not been found.
Karol M. Sullens, 18, who was last seen sitting in a pickup with two men on the parking lot of a Galena, Kan., bar where she was a dancer. Sullens left about $300 in cash and her street clothes in the bar.
justins5256 03-07-2007, 04:15 PM You're welcome Kane7474...here are the last (3) of the articles I have. I would have loved to have downloaded all of them but I had to pay $3 or $4 for each so I had to set a limit.
Not sure if this is what you are looking for but...
Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Squad draws a blank from tips on missing woman 700 calls follow TV show.None substantial.
Author: The Associated Press
Date: February 15, 1992
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: C2
CLINTON, Mo. - A renewed investigation into the April 1991 disappearance of a young Clinton woman slowed Friday, despite about 700 tips triggered by a national television show. "Right now we haven't come up with anything ... that will support the case as to her known whereabouts or put some conclusion on this case. We have kind of drawn a blank," said Tom Van Zandt, spokesman for the Rural Major Case Squad.
A segment last week on NBC television's "Unsolved Mysteries" about the disappearance of Angela Hammond, 20, produced telephone calls from throughout the United States and Canada, but none of the clues was substantial, Van Zandt said.
The major case squad, comprising officers from police agencies in 11 counties and the Missouri Highway Patrol, was activated for five days through Friday after the report.
"We've run down just about all the leads and wrapped things up today," Van Zandt said Friday. "The matter has been turned back to Clinton police and Henry County authorities.
"The case is going to remain open. If something comes up, we'll probably be back down there. " Most of the tips in the Hammond case came from outside the west-central section of Missouri where she lived and pertained to purported sightings of her, a possible suspect in her disappearance or the pickup truck the suspect drove, Van Zandt said.
Police say Hammond disappeared the night of April 4 while talking to her fiance, Rob Shafer, from a pay telephone in a grocery's parking lot. Shafer said Hammond told him a man got out of a pickup truck and walked up to the phone booth twice. Shafer said he then heard a scream.
Shafer said he drove toward the grocery, passed a pickup and heard his fiance scream his name from the truck. He said his truck stalled when he chased the other vehicle.
Hammond was the third woman to disappear from a store within an 80-mile radius since mid-January 1991. The body of Trudy Darby, 42, of Macks Creek was found after she vanished from the store where she worked. Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30, was never seen after she closed a Nevada convenience store Feb. 27, 1991.
Van Zandt said the reopened investigation did not develop new leads on the other women's deaths.
Author: The Associated Press
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: C2
Copyright 1992, 1996 The Kansas City Star Co.
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Good news series, other items of note
Author: BARRY GARRON
Date: December 10, 1991
Section: STYLE
Page: F2
News, notes, events and happenings in the wonderful world of broadcasting: Good news is where you find it, and VH-1 found it in Kansas City. The video music cable channel, carried on Jones Intercable and Telecable, was in the area Monday to tape some good news for a series of 70-second spots that could begin to run as early as late January.
The segments are on Kansas City Habitat for Humanity, which has built 64 homes for low-income families. Other VH-1 segments have been taped in Chicago, Detroit and Wichita. More are to be taped on the West Coast next year.
Producer-director Scott Moore taped interviews with John Pritchard, founder of the local chapter, and Marian Landes, a volunteer. He also taped at two houses on Highland Avenue, where Habitat has built more than a dozen homes.
Beginning as early as late January, VH-1 will show these "good news" segments throughout the day for several months. "In these times, a little glimmer of hope is what everybody needs," Moore said.
The segments do not yet have a name. VH-1 planned to call them "Local Heroes" until it found out that the Arts & Entertainment channel already was using that name.
The abduction of Angela Hammond, who is believed to have been taken from a phone booth in a supermarket parking lot in Clinton, Mo., will be re-enacted on "Unsolved Mysteries" at 7 p.m. Wednesday on Channel 4. The incident occurred April 4. Local actors were hired for two of the key roles. Tammy Stevens of Blue Springs plays Hammond, who was 20 at the time. Paul Wirtz plays her fiance, Rob Shafer, the last person to whom she is known to have spoken.
KSMO, Channel 62, has purchased local broadcast rights to carry reruns of "Empty Nest. " The situation comedy is available for broadcast in syndication beginning in the fall of 1993.
Starting this week, Chiefs linebacker Derrick Thomas' radio show originates from Three-G's Restaurant and Lounge, 6015 Troost Ave. The show is broadcast at 6 p.m. Mondays on KPRS-FM (103.3).
The program emcee is Al Wallace of WDAF, Channel 4. The program, "3rd-and-Long," features in-person and phone interviews as well as comments from listeners.
KMBZ-AM (980) and sister station KLTH-FM (99.7) will solicit donations and pledges on Wednesday for the Salvation Army during the annual Radio-A-Thon.
KMBZ reporter Dan Verbeck will be stationed at the southeast corner of Southwest Trafficway and Westport Road from 5 to 8:30 a.m. KLTH hosts Jim Welch and Roberta Solomon will be at a service station on the corner of College Boulevard and Antioch Road from 5:30 to 9 a.m. J.C. Lunceford, afternoon disc jockey on KCFX-FM (101.1), will camp out for 51 hours at Price Chopper, 103rd Street and State Line Road, to collect non-perishable food for Harvesters. Lunceford's show will be broadca st from the parking lot today through Thursday.
Lunceford's goal is to surpass the 2.5 tons of food collected last year.
KBEA-AM (1480) will mark Frank Sinatra's 76th birthday by playing his music and collecting signatures on a giant birthday card.
Host Dave Wilson and Metro Traffic reporter Bill Grady will play Sinatra songs and provide Sinatra trivia from 7 to 9 a.m. Thursday. The card will be available for signatures between 10 a.m. and 1 p.m. at the Ward Parkway Shopping Center and between 2 and 6 p.m. at the Indian Springs Shopping Center.
Reporter Dan Verbeck is the host of an hourlong, commercial-free news special on death and dying at 2 p.m. Thursday on KMBZ-AM (980).
The program, "Making the Decision: Living Fully by Dying," includes an interview with the director of the Kansas City Hospice and a hospice patient.
The program will be repeated at 7 p.m. Friday and 11 a.m. Saturday.
Author: BARRY GARRON
Section: STYLE
Page: F2
Column: BARRY GARRON
Copyright 1991, 1996 The Kansas City Star Co.
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Family of missing woman hasn't given up hope Angela Hammond vanished 6 months ago.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Date: October 4, 1991
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
CLINTON, Mo. - Day by day, those who know Angela Hammond try to get on with their lives. Her fiance trains for the military. Her mother plans a long-delayed vacation. Her best friend seeks work in Colorado.
And yet they can't forget the night, six months ago today, when Hammond vanished just a few blocks from this west-central Missouri town's square. She hasn't been seen or heard from since.
"I know the statistics aren't good at this point for finding her, but until something happens, you can't give up," Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook, said this week. "The hope is always going to be there. " Hammond, 20, disappeared about 11:45 p.m. on April 4. Police think she was abducted while talking to her fiance from a pay telephone in supermarket parking lot. Hammond's fiance heard her scream, then the line went dead.
The disappearance sparked an intensive air and ground search across the region for days. A special team of investigators - including Highway Patrol officers and federal agents - dug into the case. A reward fund topped $16,000.
Authorities also searched unsuccessfully for possible links to two similar disappearances in western Missouri.
In Nevada, a convenience store worker disappeared after closing up shop Feb. 27. In Macks Creek, Mo., another convenience store worker was robbed and abducted Jan. 19. Her body was found in the Little Niangua River two days later. Those cases also remain unsolved.
Investigators said this week that although similarities exist among the three cases, there still is no concrete evidence to connect the crimes.
And so far no solid clues in Hammond's case have been found.
Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said the investigation was no further along today than it was a few weeks after Hammond was abducted.
"There's someone out there who has information, but they just may not realize it," Parsons said. "Until they come forward or until she's found, there really is not much more we could do. " Authorities and Hammond's friends and family are now pinning their hopes on network television for leads in the case. The NBC-TV program "Unsolved Mysteries" will be in Clinton next week to re-enact the kidnapping. The episode is tentatively set to air in early December.
"Hopefully somebody will see this and have some information," said Hammond's stepmother, Kathy Hammond, of Olathe. "We feel so helpless and frustrated because there isn't anything we can do.
Maybe this show will bring some answers. " But the show may bring false hope. David Rader, one of the program's producers, said only two of 49 missing-persons cases presented on the show have been solved.
Police are looking for a late 1960s model Ford pickup with a water or outdoor scene in the rear window and possibly with a white top. The truck may have damage to its left front fender.
Two witnesses told police they saw a white man with a mustache wearing a dark-colored baseball-style cap sitting in the truck near the telephone booth Hammond was using.
The witnesses' description is similar to one Hammond gave her fiance moments before the line went dead.
The lingering investigation has left Hammond's friends and family in a state of limbo.
"I guess you think time will heal everything, but we're six months down the road now and I'm still not any better," Cook said.
"It's still just a roller coaster of emotions. " This week Cook was planning her first vacation since her daughter disappeared. She won a trip to Florida through her work, but leaving was not an easy decision to make.
"I need some time to step back, but it was hard to decide to go out of town," Cook said. "I was convinced, though, that it would be OK to leave for a couple of days, and I really need that time. " Rob Shafer, Hammond's fiance, has been training as a National Guardsman at Fort Eustis, Va., since June. Attempts to reach him by telephone this week were unsuccessful.
But Hammond's mother said Shafer seems to be taking the disappearance hard. "He's kind of shut himself off," Cook said.
Posters still hang in storefront windows here and at truck stops and rest areas across the Midwest. Police have checked possible sightings of Hammond as far as Texas and looked into suspects in and out of prison. Conservation agents patrolling the area's hills and lakes are routinely reminded of the case.
"At least I know people are still out there looking," Cook said.
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Crime squad enlisted to aid Clinton police Leads had been exhausted in apparent abduction of woman.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Date: April 16, 1991
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: B1
Eleven days after a 20-year-old woman vanished from a store parking lot, police in Clinton, Mo., have called in the Missouri Rural Crime Squad for help. About 25 officers from 15 counties began poring over information Monday in the disappearance of Angela M. Hammond.
Hammond apparently was abducted April 4 while she talked to her fiance from a telephone booth at a Clinton supermarket parking lot.
She has not been seen since.
Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said in a telephone interview Monday that his department asked for the special squad now "because we needed the help. " Parsons said he did not think the week-and-a-half delay in seeking the extra assistance had hampered the search for Hammond.
Since Hammond disappeared, Clinton officers have received assistance from the FBI, Missouri Highway Patrol and Henry County Sheriff's Department.
But after exhausting all their leads, investigators have decided to attack the case with more manpower, said Thomas Van Zandt, the squad's spokesman and the Lexington, Mo., police chief.
The squad will focus on finding the pickup truck thought to have been used by Hammond's abductor, Van Zandt said. At this time, however, the squad will not look into two other recent cases in which women were abducted in west central Missouri, he said.
Hammond described a truck and a suspicious man to her fiance while they talked on the phone shortly before midnight April 4. Then the telephone line went dead. Her fiance, Rob Shafer, said he saw a pickup fitting Hammond's description as he raced toward the supermarket after the call was disconnected. But he could not catch up with it.
Van Zandt said the truck is thought to be a green, late 1960s model Ford with a water or fishing scene in the rear window. The truck also may have damage to its left front bumper, he said.
Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook, said she was glad to see the added help of the crime squad.
"They're not sitting still," Cook said. "They're working on it, so we're very pleased. We've more or less left the investigation up to the police, and they've been wonderful. " Hammond is white, 5 feet tall and weighs 140 pounds. She has brown eyes and light brown hair. She was last seen wearing a white shirt with black spots, black slacks and tennis shoes.
Anyone with information is asked to call the Clinton Police Department at (816) 885-5561.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: B1
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Are disappearances linked? Investigators need proof Serial killer theory is built on thin evidence.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Date: April 13, 1991
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
CLINTON, Mo.-As gruesome as it sounds, investigators really need another body. They would rather find Cheryl Ann Kenney and Angela Hammond alive, of course, but if the two missing women are dead, authorities need to find them to help piece together what is now little more than a scrambled puzzle of speculation and coincidence.
The disappearances of Kenney in Nevada and Hammond in Clinton, and the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby in Macks Creek, have prompted investigators, residents and the press to wonder about a link - to ask whether a serial killer is at work in west-central Missouri.
But so far, federal, state, county and local officers searching for the two women have barely enough information to try to find them, let alone figure out whether they are victims of the same criminal.
"You've got to have some concrete physical evidence before determining if there's any pattern," said Max Geiman, an FBI spokesman in Kansas City. "There's not been anything at all to tie these together yet. " Typically, serial killer investigations develop by looking for patterns in victims, methods or frequency.
In the three recent cases, over less than 11 weeks, Darby, Kenney and Hammond disappeared from otherwise deserted stores in their rural hometowns, about 80 miles apart.
Each woman is white and was alone when she vanished. At least two, and possibly all three, apparently were outside the store. In two of the cases, a possible suspect was described as a white man with a beard and moustache.
But in other respects, no pattern is apparent.
The women range in age from 20 to 42. They vary in height from 5 feet to 5 feet 7 inches. Two are blonde; one has light-brown hair. One was robbed of cash; the others had little or no money.
Geiman said investigators cannot really connect the apparent abductions without finding the women.
If they are dead, finding them would provide critical information to develop a profile of the killer. Such information includes autopsy results to let officers know how the person died, and perhaps some similarities in the areas where the bodies are found.
Without anything specific to suggest a serial killer in the three recent cases, investigators at this point continue to tackle the disappearances as separate cases, while continuing to compare notes.
Meanwhile, rumors fly in all three towns about what happened to the women, and residents try to keep it from happening again.
Neighbors watch out for each other a little more, and friends keep better tabs on friends.
Debbie Hicks, who, with her husband, owns the convenience store where Darby worked, said she is much more aware of strangers.
"I find myself watching what cars pull up and who gets out," Hicks said. "We've always known that someone might pull a gun or something,but this wasn't just a robbery. This was different. It's sick. " Darby vanishes in January The first case began unfolding about 10 p.m. on Jan. 19 when Trudy Darby, 42, was closing the K&D Country Corner convenience store in Macks Creek. Darby called her son because she was concerned about a suspicious man outside. She gave no description.
By the time her son arrived a few minutes later, Darby was gone. The store was unlocked, the lights were on, and about $220 was missing from the cash drawer.
Her nude body was found two days later in the Little Niangua River. She had been shot twice in the head with an automatic pistol.
About three or four weeks later, authorities found all of Darby's clothes in the river. Tipton said they also found the store's bank bag with Darby's rings inside, but not the stolen cash.
Area residents who passed by the store the Saturday night Darby disappeared told authorities of a large, light blue car, possibly a Chevrolet Impala or Caprice, parked in a rest area near the store.
Tipton said the man was described as "barely fitting behind the wheel," in his late 30s or early 40s, with a beard and moustache.
That man has not been found. Tipton said he has little else to go on, even though his case is farther along than the others in that Darby's body was found.
"Our case is at a standstill," the sheriff said. "If one of their cases develops, our case may develop. " About 80 miles west of Macks Creek on U.S. 54 in Nevada, Cheryl Ann Kenney vanished 39 days after Darby disappeared.
Shortly after 10 p.m. on Feb. 27, Kenney, 30, locked up LJ's Quality Convenience Store. She has not been heard from since.
Nevada police say they found her car parked at the store. It was locked and undisturbed. Nothing was missing from the store.
"We don't have a suspect or anything," Nevada Police Capt. John Eador said. "We can't say we've even had an abduction for sure, but we're working it as if there's foul play involved and hoping for the best. " Police checked into three possible sightings of Kenney in Lamar, Mo., in March, but none of those was confirmed. Authorities also question whether she would voluntarily have left her husband, two children and ailing father while carrying only about $6. Thirty-six days after Kenney disappeared, Hammond, 20, vanished shortly before midnight April 4 from a Clinton parking lot less than a mile from her home.
As she talked with her fiance, Hammond described a suspicious man in a pickup who was in the parking lot, the fiance told police.
A moment later, she screamed and the line went dead.
Hammond's fiance, Rob Shafer, said he headed for the parking lot. On his way, he said, he passed a pickup and heard Hammond scream his name. Shafer tried to follow the late 1960s Ford truck, which had a water or fish scene in the rear window, but was unable to catch it before his truck's transmission failed.
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: FBI questions teens about missing woman Lie-detector tests are given to her fiance and former boyfriend.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Date: April 11, 1991
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: C1
The fiance and a former boyfriend of a missing Clinton, Mo., woman were given lie-detector tests Wednesday, but investigators refused to comment on the results. The two teen-agers said they were questioned about whether they were involved in the disappearance of 20-year-old Angela M. Hammond, who apparently was abducted a week ago from a Clinton supermarket parking lot.
"I guess they were just trying to clear us as suspects," said Bill Barker, the 17-year-old former boyfriend of Hammond, in a telephone interview. "They were asking why we would do something like this to her. " Hammond's fiance, Rob Shafer, said FBI agents administering the tests implied that he and Barker might have been involved.
"They don't think my story's very good," Shafer, 18, said by phone. "I told them everything I know. " Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons, who is heading the investigation, and FBI spokesman Max Geiman declined to discuss the polygraph tests. Both men said investigators continued to follow up on leads but had not made any substantial progress Wednesday.
Parsons said that while "everyone is a suspect," Shafer and Barker were questioned as "primary witnesses. " Barker said he was questioned for about three hours Wednesday afternoon; Shafer said he spent about five hours with FBI agents.
"I think they're barking up the wrong tree here," Shafer said.
"They need to focus on who really did this and not on people who didn't. " Hammond, who is four months pregnant, disappeared last Thursday from a parking lot telephone booth at a Clinton supermarket. Shafer has said he and Hammond were talking about a suspicious man nearby when he heard her scream and the phone line went dead.
Shafer said he jumped in his truck and was rushing toward the parking lot, a few blocks from his home, when he heard Hammond yell his name from a passing pickup. Shafer said he tried to follow the truck but could not catch it before his truck's transmission gave out.
Parsons said Shafer was given a ride to the police station and arrived about midnight. Hammond was last seen by friends about 11:15 p.m. Thursday. She apparently stopped at the phone booth because she did not have a telephone.
Shafer and Barker said they have been out looking for Hammond every day since she disappeared.
"We haven't found anything yet," said Barker, who has continued his friendship with Hammond since they stopped dating late last year. "In a way that could be good. We just don't know. " Hammond was described as 5 feet tall, 140 pounds, with light brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white shirt with black spots, black slacks and tennis shoes. The truck was described as a green, late 1960s model Ford with a water or fish scene in the back window. Anyone with information is asked to call the Clinton Police Department at (816) 885-5561.
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Section: MID-AMERICA
Page: C1
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Paper: Hutchinson News, The (KS)
Title: 04/09/91
Date: April 9, 1991
Since Jan. 19, three women from towns within 80 miles of one another have disappeared late at night from deserted stores. Two of the women were closing up shop. The third, Ms. Hammond, had stopped to call her fiance.Third woman vanishes from a store
By Lane Beauchamp
Kansas City Star
CLINTON, Mo. _ A woman screams, her pay phone goes dead. With that, the FBI and police in west-central Missouri have yet a third baffling case of a woman vanishing from a store in her hometown. The disappearance Thursday of Angela M. Hammond from a telephone booth outside the Food Barn in Clinton is sparking new concern among investigators that the crimes are more than coincidence. Since Jan. 19, three women from towns within 80 miles of one another have disappeared late at night from deserted stores. Two of the women were closing up shop. The third, Ms. Hammond, had stopped to call her fiance. Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said Sunday that there is nothing definitive to link the crimes, but "you've got to keep it in mind." FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said, "The possibility that all are related is only a theory at this point but one we are investigating." One of the three women, Trudy Darby of Macks Creek, was found dead. The search continues for Ms. Hammond and Cheryl!
Ann Kenney of Nevada. The absence of any solid leads makes the going rough. In Ms. Darby's case, police have gotten conflicting descriptions of a man seen in the area. No one has been able to provide a suspect in the Kenney case. Ms. Hammond's case gives police the best lead so far. And even that is a sketchy description of a suspect: a dirty-looking white man with a mustache and beard, driving a 1969 or 1970 Ford pickup and wearing overalls. Local, county, state and federal authorities are sharing notes and following up leads in hopes of breaking open the three cases. The women: _ Angela M. Hammond, 20. She was last heard from Thursday night when she talked to her fiance from the telephone booth. She told her fiance of a truck circling the lot. Then he heard a scream and the line went dead. _ Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30. Ms. Kenney was last seen Feb. 27 as she closed a Nevada convenience store. The store was found locked, and her car was parked nearby. Nevada Police Lt. Norman !
Turner said Sunday that authorities have not ruled out that Ms. Kenney
, depressed over her mother's recent death, may have left on her own. But, Turner said, she left behind her two children and husband, an ailing father she visited every day and her car. Ms. Kenney also had only about $6 when she vanished. _ Trudy Darby, 42. Ms. Darby disappeared Jan. 19 from the Camden County convenience store where she worked. In a brief telephone conversation with her son that evening she told of a suspicious-looking man outside. The store was found unlocked and the cash drawer empty. Ms. Darby was found shot to death two days later. Investigators have said there might be a link between Ms. Darby's abduction and killing and an attempted kidnapping 90 minutes earlier in Sedalia. As for the search for Ms. Hammond on Sunday, there were no developments, Parsons said. About 250 volunteers searched the woods and fields of Clinton and Henry County, looking for any sign of Ms. Hammond or the man she described, but they came across nothing. "I just want to find her!
," said Ms. Hammond's 18-year-old fiance, Rob Shafer. "I haven't lost hope." Friends and relatives described Ms. Hammond as an outgoing, personable woman who "loved to have fun." Ms. Hammond usually worked nights at a Clinton bank but did not work the night she disappeared. Ms. Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Ms. Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Ms. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer. Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. During that conversation Ms. Hammond told of a man who used a telephone next to her, left in a pickup truck, then returned and circled the parking lot. A moment later, Shafer heard Ms. Hammond scream. Shafer said he drove toward the supermarket, only a few blocks from his house. As he approached he saw a yellow or green pickup coming toward him and heard Ms. Hammond scream his name. Although he did not see her, he turned around and tri!
ed to follow the truck. He lost it when his truck stalled. As searcher
s fanned out Sunday, Ms. Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook of nearby Montrose, expressed amazement at the support. "You never know how many friends you have until something like this happens," Ms. Cook said. "It's absolutely wonderful." Ms. Cook also echoed a feeling shared by many throughout this community: "Things like this just don't happen in places like Clinton, Mo. She didn't know enough to be afraid." Darlene McFeters, assistant manager at a convenience store two blocks from where Ms. Hammond disappeared, said the event had made her more careful. "You move to a small town thinking you're getting away from that," Ms. McFeters said. "I don't know how anybody could not be more cautious now. You just have to be."
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Search turns up no new clues in disappearance
Author: Springfield Bureau
Date: April 9, 1991
Section: JOHNSON COUNTY/METRO
Page: B6
The Henry County Sheriff's Department and police in Clinton, Mo., are continuing to investigate the disappearance of a 20-year-old Clinton woman. Authorities say the woman, Angela M. Hammond, last was heard from in a telephone call to her fiance Thursday night. She made the call from a grocery store parking lot.
Authorities say the fiance, Rob Shafer, 18, was talking to Hammond when she reported that a strange vehicle was circling the lot. She screamed, and the phone line went dead. Her car was found near the pay phone, officers said.
More than 150 volunteers on Sunday combed roadside areas in Henry and Clinton counties but discovered no leads in the disappearance.
Authorities were continuing to check leads Monday, but no active searches were under way, according to a dispatcher with the Clinton Police Department.
Author: Springfield Bureau
Section: JOHNSON COUNTY/METRO
Page: B6
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Latest disappearance offers first lead
Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP
Date: April 8, 1991
Section: METROPOLITAN
Page: B1
CLINTON, Mo. - A woman screams, her pay phone goes dead. With that, the FBI and police in west-central Missouri have yet a third baffling case of a woman vanishing from a store in her hometown. The disappearance Thursday of Angela M. Hammond from a telephone booth outside the Food Barn in Clinton is sparking new concern among investigators that the crimes are more than coincidence.
Since Jan. 19, three women from towns within 80 miles of one another have disappeared late at night from deserted stores. Two of the women were closing up shop. The third, Hammond, had stopped to call her fiance.
Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said Sunday that there is nothing definitive to link the crimes, but "you've got to keep it in mind. " FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said, "The possibility that all are related is only a theory at this point but one we are investigating. " One of the three women, Trudy Darby of Macks Creek, was found dead. The search continues for Hammond and Cheryl Ann Kenney of Nevada.
The absence of any solid leads makes the going rough. In Darby's case, police have gotten conflicting descriptions of a man seen in the area. No one has been able to provide a suspect in the Kenney case.
Hammond's case gives police the best lead so far. And even that is a sketchy description of a suspect: a dirty-looking white man with a mustache and beard, driving a 1969 or 1970 Ford pickup and wearing overalls.
Local, county, state and federal authorities are sharing notes and following up leads in hopes of breaking open the three cases.
The women: Angela M. Hammond, 20. Hammond was last heard from Thursday night when she talked to her fiance from the telephone booth. She told her fiance of a truck circling the lot. Then he heard a scream and the line went dead.
Hammond, who is four months pregnant, was born in the Kansas City area and moved away at age 4. Her father, Chris Hammond, lives in Olathe.
Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30. Kenney was last seen Feb. 27 as she closed a Nevada convenience store. The store was found locked, and Kenney's car was parked nearby.
Nevada Police Lt. Norman Turner said Sunday that authorities have not ruled out that Kenney, depressed over her mother's recent death, may have left on her own. But, Turner said, she left behind her two children and husband, an ailing father she visited every day and her car. Kenney also had only about $6 when she vanished.
Trudy Darby, 42. Darby disappeared Jan. 19 from the Camden County convenience store where she worked. In a brief telephone conversation with her son that evening she told of a suspicious-looking man outside. The store was found unlocked and the cash drawer empty.
Darby was found shot to death in the Little Niangua River two days later.
Investigators have said there might be a link between Darby's abduction and killing and an attempted kidnapping 90 minutes earlier in Sedalia.
As for the search for Hammond on Sunday, there were no developments, Parsons said.
About 250 volunteers searched the woods and fields of Clinton and Henry County, looking for any sign of Hammond or the man she described, but they came across nothing.
"I just want to find her," said Hammond's 18-year-old fiance, Rob Shafer. "I haven't lost hope. " Friends and relatives described Hammond as an outgoing, personable young woman who "loved to have fun. " Hammond usually worked nights at a Clinton bank but did not work the night she disappeared.
Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer.
Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. During that conversation Hammond told of a man who used a telephone next to her, left in a pickup truck, then returned and circled the parking lot. A moment later, Shafer heard Hammond scream.
Shafer said he drove toward the supermarket, only a few blocks from his house. As he approached he saw a yellow or green pickup coming toward him and heard Hammond scream his name. Although he did not see her, he turned around and tried to follow the truck. He lost it when his truck stalled.
As the searchers fanned out Sunday afternoon, Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook of nearby Montrose, expressed amazement at the support.
"You never know how many friends you have until something like this happens," Cook said. "It's absolutely wonderful. " Cook also echoed a feeling shared by many throughout this community: "Things like this just don't happen in places like Clinton, Mo. She didn't know enough to be afraid. " Chris Hammond, staying in Clinton, could not be reached Sunday night.
Darlene McFeters, assistant manager at a convenience store two blocks from where Hammond disappeared, said the event had made her more careful.
"You move to a small town thinking you're getting away from that," McFeters said. "I don't know how anybody could not be more cautious now.
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Paper: Tulsa World
Title: Three vanishings baffle FBI - Missouri residents stunned, cautious
Author: Scripps Howard News Service
Date: April 8, 1991
Section: NEWS
Page: 2A
CLINTON, Mo. - A woman screams and then the phone goes dead. With that, the FBI and police in west-central Missouri have yet a third baffling case of a woman vanishing from a store in her hometown.
The disappearance Thursday of Angela M. Hammond from a telephone booth outside the Food Barn in Clinton is sparking new concern among investigators that the crimes are more than coincidence.Since Jan. 19, three women from towns within 80 miles of
one another have disappeared late at night from deserted
stores. Two of the women were closing up shop. The third, Hammond, had stopped to call her fiance.
Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons said Sunday that there is nothing definitive to link the crimes, but "you've got to keep it in mind."
FBI spokesman Jeff Lanza said, "The possibility that all are related is only a theory at this point but one we are investigating."
One of the three women, Trudy Darby of Macks Creek, was found dead. The search continues for Hammond and Cheryl
Ann Kenney of Nevada, Mo.
The absence of any solid leads makes the going rough. In Darby's case, police have gotten conflicting descriptions of a man seen in the area. No one has been able to provide a suspect in the Kenney case.
Hammond's case gives police the best lead so far. And even that is a sketchy description of a suspect: a dirty-looking white man with a mustache and beard, driving a 1969 or 1970 Ford pickup and wearing overalls.
Investigators look for clues
Local, county, state and federal authorities are sharing notes and following up leads in hopes of breaking open the three cases.
The women:
Hammond, 20, was last heard from Thursday night when she talked to her fiance from the telephone booth. She told
her fiance of a truck circling the lot. Then he heard a
scream and the line went dead.
Kenney, 30, was seen Feb. 27 as she closed a Nevada convenience store. The store was found locked, and her car was parked nearby.
Nevada Police Lt. Norman Turner said Sunday that authorities have not ruled out that Kenney, depressed over her mother's recent death, may have left on her own. But, Turner said, she left behind her two children and husband, an ailing
father she visited every day, and her car. Kenney also had only about $6 when she vanished.
Darby, 42, disappeared Jan. 19 from the Camden County convenience store where she worked. In a brief telephone conversation with her son that evening she told of a suspicious-looking man outside. The store was found unlocked and the cash drawer empty.
Darby was found shot to death two days later.
Investigators have said there might be a link between Darby's abduction and killing and an attempted kidnapping 90 minutes earlier in Sedalia.
As for the search for Hammond on Sunday, there were no developments, Parsons said.
Town searches for woman
About 250 volunteers searched the woods and fields of Clinton and Henry County, looking for any sign of Hammond or the
man she described, but they came across nothing.
"I just want to find her," said Hammond's 18-year-old
fiance, Rob Shafer. "I haven't lost hope."
Friends and relatives described Hammond as an outgoing, personable woman who "loved to have fun." Hammond usually worked nights at a Clinton bank but did not work the night she disappeared.
Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer.
Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. During that conversation Hammond told of a man who used a telephone
next to her, left in a pickup truck, then returned and circled the parking lot. A moment later, Shafer heard Hammond scream.
Shafer said he drove toward the supermarket, only a few blocks from his house. As he approached he saw a yellow
or green pickup coming toward him and heard Hammond scream his name. Although he did not see her, he turned around
and tried to follow the truck. He lost it when his truck stalled.
As searchers fanned out Sunday, Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook of nearby Montrose, expressed amazement at the support.
"You never know how many friends you have until something like this happens," Cook said. "It's absolutely wonderful." Unsuspecting victims
Cook also echoed a feeling shared by many throughout this community: "Things like this just don't happen in places
like Clinton, Mo. She didn't know enough to be afraid."
Darlene McFeters, assistant manager at a convenience store two blocks from where Hammond disappeared, said the event had made her more careful.
"You move to a small town thinking you're getting away from that," McFeters said. "I don't know how anybody could not be more cautious now. You just have to be."
Author: Scripps Howard News Service
Section: NEWS
Page: 2A
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Paper: The Kansas City Star
Title: Clinton woman is kidnapped Boyfriend hears her screams.Link to other abductions suspected.
Author: JOE LAMBE
Date: April 7, 1991
Section: NATIONAL/WORLD
Page: A1
Before she disappeared late Thursday, Angela M. Hammond got off work and called her boyfriend from a pay telephone in an empty supermarket parking lot in Clinton, Mo. As she spoke, the 20-year-old woman noticed an old green pickup circling the lot. Suspicious, she described the truck over the phone. The truck stopped, and she told her boyfriend of the man who got out - a white man with glasses, a mustache and a beard.
Then she screamed, said her boyfriend, Rob Shafer of Clinton.
The phone went dead.
Shafer, 18, said in an interview Saturday that after Hammond screamed he jumped into his car and raced to the Food Barn parking lot, about 11 p.m. Thursday.
He passed what he thought was a yellow truck. Then he heard Hammond scream again.
"When she screamed at me out the window," he said, "I put it in reverse and started chasing him. " Shafer chased the truck about a mile, he said, racing south on Clinton's 2nd Street, then turning west on Culvert Drive.
But his car's transmission failed, Shafer said, and the pickup - maybe a 1969 or 1970 Ford - sped away. The truck may have had a decal of a water scene on the back window.
Hammond has not been seen since. Police found her car in the parking lot that night, said Clinton Detective Damon Parsons. The FBI and Henry County Sheriff also are investigating.
Authorities believe Hammond's abduction could be related to kidnappings in January and February of women in Camden County, Mo., and Nevada, Mo.
One of the women, Trudy Darby, 42, was abducted in January from a convenience store near Macks Creek in Camden County, where she worked as a clerk. Shortly before she disappeared, about 10 p.m. Jan. 19, she called her son from work telling him about a suspicious man outside the store.
When her son arrived five minutes later, he found only his mother's purse and an empty cash drawer, police said. Authorities found Darby's nude body two days later in the Little Niangua River.
She had been shot twice in the head with a shotgun.
The other woman, also a convenience store clerk, disappeared Feb. 27, right after closing up for the night about 10 p.m. Police said the woman, Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30, has never been found. Her car was discovered the next morning outside the Nevada convenience store.
Hammond worked tallying evening accounts at a Clinton bank. Max Geiman, special agent for the FBI in Kansas City, said there was no solid evidence linking the three abductions, but police were examining possible connections.
"This is extremely suspicous," he said.
Police searched the area by air Saturday but found nothing, Parsons said.
Angela's parents, Kathy and Chris Hammond of Olathe, said Saturday that all they can do now is wait and worry. Kathy Hammond has been passing out her stepdaughter's picture to newspapers and television stations, hoping for a breakthrough.
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dynoguy88 03-07-2007, 04:51 PM Well, those further articles explain that she didn't have to work that night. At least we now know that. I'm very curious about that sighting of Angela in Canada, though. I hope that witness wasn't making that sighting up because the description of her and the truck match.
I went on to YouTube and took a virtual tour through Clinton thanks to some videos that were posted. The town still looks very much the same as it did on the UM segment 16 years ago.
Tap Dancer 03-07-2007, 06:22 PM Hammond usually worked nights at a Clinton bank but did not work the night she disappeared.
Before she disappeared late Thursday, Angela M. Hammond got off work and called her boyfriend from a pay telephone in an empty supermarket parking lot in Clinton, Mo.
I wonder which is true? :confused:
Awsi Dooger 03-07-2007, 10:04 PM Thanks to longliveum and justin for posting these articles. I just started sampling them but a few things jumped out from the first few:
* Angela apparently did not have a phone, explaining why she stopped to call from the pay phone
* Rob did not arrive at the police station until midnight, after being driven there. Presumably he didn't begin telling his story until that point. The abductor was long gone
* The murder that may have been related, Trudy Darby, could have included a sexual assault before the murder. I don't believe the UM segment mentioned that, although it certainly could be guessed from incidents like this. Darby's body was found nude and her clothes were located elsewhere several weeks later
Awsi Dooger 03-07-2007, 10:58 PM Seems to be plenty of corroboration on Rob's story in those articles:
"Two witnesses told police they saw a white man with a mustache wearing a dark-colored baseball-style cap sitting in the truck near the telephone booth Hammond was using. The witnesses' description is similar to one Hammond gave her fiance moments before the line went dead."
Also the specific name of a friend who Angela was with prior to the abduction:
"Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer.
Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. During that conversation Hammond told of a man who used a telephone next to her, left in a pickup truck, then returned and circled the parking lot. A moment later, Shafer heard Hammond scream."
Wow, that last paragraph is significantly different than the UM version. It has the guy calling then leaving in his truck before returning, while UM depicted him stepping into the other booth briefly then going to the truck to use a flashlight before he grabbed Angela.
That would be sick if Angela had a chance to depart while he was gone, but chose not to. Some similarities to the second Zodiac attack at Rock Springs golf course. In that incident the Zodiac apparently hesitated and drove away after parking briefly next to the victims, then returned and opened fire within minutes, after they did not leave.
kane7474 03-08-2007, 11:39 AM Its not odd at all for a reporter to get a few details mixed up, it happens all the time. I would have to say that the UM version is probably correct because their account of the events came right from Rob.
I think the posted articles further prove why Rob was never charged as a suspect. We have learned that other people saw the man and the truck, also the witness statements from Angie's friend support the timeline of events which clearly shows Rob did not have the time to pull this off.
However I am still curious about how long it took Rob to contact police and what the reaction was from them once notified. I realize the article states he was "taken" to the police station around midnight, but they do not tell us whether he was able to call them before he was taken there. Several times it is stated that hundreds of volunteers where out searching for her the next day but nothing is said about the first reaction by law enforcement. Their best chance of finding her alive would have been right after she was taken, not the next day. I know that police depts. will never admit fault or openly say that they mis handled a case, likewise different law enforcement agencies will cover for one anothers mistakes. I am betting the local and county cops botched this one and they know it. Was there an APB put out? Was the highway patrol and all neighboring counties alerted in a timely manner? Where the police helicopters from Kansas City called in to search?
Ive noticed that in the articles and in the UM segemt they seem to present a clear recolection of events between 9pm and 11:15, however after the chase ends everything goes very vaugue until the next morning when volunteers where out combing the woods. I am guessing the reason for the vaugeness in this time period is that there was some type of screw up on the part of the police. It could be that they did not beileve Rob's story and treated him as a suspect or possibly there was a lack of communication between the Clinton police and other agencies. It just seems to me they are covering up what went on directly after she was reported missing.
kadrmas15 03-08-2007, 03:14 PM Well I am pretty sure the guy in the truck was long gone. If Schafer's car broke down, I am sure the cops checked the transmission to confirm that actually did happen. There wasnt cell phones back then, if Schafer even called the cops within moments the guy in the truck would have been speeding down a gravel country road I am sure with no cops on it. He would have been dumb to take a well traveled road where there would be cops. The guy was probably in Kansas by the time got mobilized and I am sure back then that law enforcement agencies in different counties and jurisdictions did not communicate well together. I dont even think in a lot of cases they communicate that well now but it is better now than it was in the early 90's. I am pretty sure though the guy in the truck was long gone from the area by the time the police were mobilized.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-08-2007, 06:25 PM I am sure back then that law enforcement agencies in different counties and jurisdictions did not communicate well together
You're saying that like they communicate well now... :rolleyes:
kadrmas15 03-08-2007, 06:44 PM Haha, well believe me CRicci, I dont think they communicate well together now, at least more often than not they dont communicate well. I know in some areas the local cops tend to not care much for the state guys but I dont know if it is like that everywhere. I know around here for the most part something could happen in one county and it seems that cops in a neighboring county more often than not wouldnt know anything about what was going on in neighboring counties. How are the communications out in Montana between agencies? We actually had a fugitive from my neighboring county that was arrested in Billings, Montana a couple of years ago. He killed an elderly man here that had taken him in after his release from prison and then stole his car and his bank cards and stuff. He made it to Billings and then foolishly got drunk and decided to drive around and he got in a car accident.
kane7474 03-08-2007, 07:54 PM Today I got to speek with a former Henry County Sherriffs deputy that was part of the investigation into Angela's dissaperance. I used to work with this guy and I remember him saying that he was from Urich and was a County sherriffs deputy. I just today put two and two together and realized that Urich is indeed in Henry county and called him.
He told me he remembered the case very well and it was the stangest thing that law enforcement in that area had ever dealt with. Most of what he told me I already knew from the UM episode and the newspaper articles. However I did find out something new when I asked him how it was possible that this guy was able to get away in a truck that should stand out like a sore thumb. His response was, even if the Clinton police had contacted Henry county within minutes of the abduction it would have served little purpose, because at that time period (1991) on a weekday and that late at night, Henry county would have only had two officers on duty to cover their entire area. He said most of the counties around there would have had about the same number of officers on duty. He went on to say that the highway patrol would have only had one or two officers in the area and there is no telling as to where they were when this took place.
I then asked him what his honest opinion was as to what happened to her and he responded just like the last person from Clinton that I asked. He said he thinks she ran away because of problems at home and had Rob cook up the story. So I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that if the story were true they would have found a body or the truck by now. Then I reminded him about Cherl Kenney who went missing much the same way Angela did and has never been found, I asked him if he thought the two were tied in and he basically said there is really no way to know until you find bodies. He did tell me though that its entirely possible that the abductor could live somewhere in southern Missouri deep in the ozarks where cops are never seen, there are literly hundreds of miles of wooded unpopulated areas where this guy could reside. If he made it back to his place without being seen he could have hid or chopped up his truck and very well could be holding Angela and Cheryl to this day.
kane7474 03-08-2007, 09:01 PM Check this out, just one year after Angela's abduction we have a similar case in Springfield. Could they be related?
On June 7, 1992, the Springfield, Missouri Police Department was notified of the disappearance of three women from a residence in central Springfield.
The parents of Stacy McCall, one of the missing women, contacted the police department in reference to their daughter's disappearance from the home of Sherrill Levitt and Suzanne Streeter, the other two missing women. Upon officers' arrival, the house bore no signs of a struggle, but rather the appearance of the missing women being abducted. All personal property was left behind including purses, money, clothing, cars, keys, cigarettes, and the family dog.
Stacy McCall and Suzanne Streeter had graduated from high school the day before their disappearance and were last seen at approximately 2:15 a.m. on 06/07/92 when they left a graduation party in a nearby community enroute to the Levitt/Streeter home at 1717 E. Delmar, Springfield. It appeared as though they had arrived at the residence because their clothing, jewelry, purses, and vehicles were still at this location.
Suzanne's mother, Sherrill Levitt, was last heard from at approximately 11:15 p.m. on 06/06/92 when she talked with a friend about painting a chest of drawers. Levitt's car, purse, keys, etc., were left at the residence and it appeared as though her bed had been slept in when friends and police arrived to check the residence.
With the assistance of the Federal Bureau of Investigations, Missouri State Highway Patrol, and numerous other law enforcement agencies, an extensive investigation into the lives of the missing women has been conducted with no positive leads concerning the reason for their disappearance or their location.
A reward fund of $42,000 has been established for the location and prosecution of the persons responsible for the abduction of the three women. Anyone with information into the disappearance of Mrs. Levitt, Miss Streeter, and Miss McCall is requested to contact the Springfield Police Department or CRIME STOPPERS.
Awsi Dooger 03-08-2007, 10:48 PM That Springfield case is discussed on webseluths and also on this forum, above in the non-UM cases section.
Awsi Dooger 03-08-2007, 11:26 PM I then asked him what his honest opinion was as to what happened to her and he responded just like the last person from Clinton that I asked. He said he thinks she ran away because of problems at home and had Rob cook up the story. So I asked him how he came to that conclusion and he said that if the story were true they would have found a body or the truck by now.
Gad, I'd thrill to wager against that conclusion. It definitely helped me in regard to evaluating probability once I loved to Las Vegas. Here you need to know what true odds are. I see tourists all the time walk up to the sportsbook and take a ridiculous number on something, smiling and completely oblivious that they just got royally screwed.
It reminds me of something I saw on Hardball today. A female political analyst, one on the same side I am, made a remarkably ignorant forecast about one presidential candidate. Chris Matthews had the exact instinct I had at the time. He cut her off in pure frustration and said, "I wish I could bet people on things like this."
Exactly. That's the way I felt about Richard Floyd McCoy as DB Cooper in those long threads last year. Arguing is pointless. Somehow find a result and let me align with one side.
Just because a specific person was being searched for, and a description of a truck, that hardly justifies a conclusive leap that they would have been found if the story was legit. kane7474's post revealed what I guessed to be true and mentioned in a previous post, that few law enforcement were probably chase-ready late at night in that area. So we have no idea where the truck ended up. Just that it turned west out of Clinton at something like 11:45 PM. From there the permutations are massive in number.
It really irks the hell out of me. How can someone with a law enforcement background make a statement like that? This is an unknown vehicle. It's not like the Lisa Marie Kimmell case where you KNOW EXACTLY what the vehicle is; make, model, year, license plate and serial number. Here you have merely a few details, apparently not even a partial license plate number. This required disposing of one small female and one unknown old truck. Heck, police could have come into contact with the truck many times subsequently and had no idea it was connected to this case.
dynoguy88 03-09-2007, 12:24 AM Sheesh.... after reading that, I guess if you're going to get abducted, it's worse to get abducted from a small town.
kane7474 03-09-2007, 08:38 AM Sheesh.... after reading that, I guess if you're going to get abducted, it's worse to get abducted from a small town.
Indeed, and if we had a serial killer that abducted all these girls I'll bet he considered what you just said before he started.
kane7474 03-09-2007, 08:44 AM That Springfield case is discussed on webseluths and also on this forum, above in the non-UM cases section.Right, and has anyone ever suggested that all these cases could be tied in? You have abductions in Macks Creek, Nevada, Clinton and Springfield all in about a years time. Its like the killer/abductor made a circle of sorts, it also lends credence to the theory that this guy lives deep in the ozarks and only leaves his area long enough to grab some young girls. He sticks to fairly rural areas and strikes late at night knowing full well that there is a lack of law enforcement at this time.
longliveum 03-09-2007, 10:57 AM What does everyone think about the possibility Angela did run away and Rob covered for her? I honestly don't know what to think, part of the time I feel she was abducted and then I read something like this that starts to change my mind. One thing that keeps going through my mind is if she had problems at home and her and Rob were engaged anyway, why didn't they just did get married and move away? I keep thinking what would be so bad that it would make BOTH of them agree to make this up and live apart the rest of their lives, especially with her being pregnant with his baby? Thank you Kane7474 for posting that information, that was very interesting to me to read.
kane7474 03-09-2007, 11:24 AM What does everyone think about the possibility Angela did run away and Rob covered for her? I honestly don't know what to think, part of the time I feel she was abducted and then I read something like this that starts to change my mind. One thing that keeps going through my mind is if she had problems at home and her and Rob were engaged anyway, why didn't they just did get married and move away? I keep thinking what would be so bad that it would make BOTH of them agree to make this up and live apart the rest of their lives, especially with her being pregnant with his baby? Thank you Kane7474 for posting that information, that was very interesting to me to read.
Long, I wouldnt put to much into the theory of her running away. Both of the people (including the Deputy) who told me that did not consider the other abductions in the area or all of the evidence in this case. From what I understand people came up with this idea after all the sightings of her that came in from UM. All the papers in town published this information and thats what got people thinking this way. They do not dig in like we do in here, instead they take whats on the surface
longliveum 03-09-2007, 12:01 PM Good point, that makes it more clear to me now. Not that I would rather her have been kidnapped but I didn't like the idea of her just running away. Thanks.
Awsi Dooger 03-09-2007, 10:47 PM The guess that she ran away wasn't really the thing that bothered me about the deputy's comment. Like kane7474 said, that could be due to lack of specific information.
I was more annoyed by his statement that they would have found the body and car if the story were legit. I think that's typical of specialists, in virtually any line of work. If they are convinced they worked hard and followed every lead, if the desired result doesn't follow then they question the initial source. The alternative to that is faulting themself, which they don't want to do.
Really there's no blame at all. That's what I was getting at in terms of probability. Just because you checked every lead doesn't mean you ever had a good lead. You might have looked in every junkyard and logical spot, but cars are mobile by definition, and not especially large or difficult to alter or conceal.
The true crime stories that bug me the most are the ones where the crime is so atypical that authorities dismiss it as a made up story and cynically suspect the family/close friends. This case had potential for that. Just think if the timeline had been somewhat different, and no witnesses like Rob's little brother. Other cases in that category are the Ramseys, Dr. MacDonald (IMO), and the UM case where the man's mother was killed after he gave the guy a lift from Hardees late at night in his truck.
kadrmas15 03-09-2007, 11:38 PM Yes Awsi, I agree that it is how it gets when the body isnt found. When the body isnt found and a suspect isnt caught, people get frustrated and start looking for someone to stick it on just to put their own minds at ease. What that deputy said kind of ticked me off in the sense that he was basically saying that if she were dead her body would have found. Not true. I am just really glad they didnt bust Rob for this because he would have been really easy for people to lay the blame on and wrongfully convict.
chet_58 03-13-2007, 02:16 AM This case totally boggles my mind... One minute im thinking rob did it , but now after reading articles maybe she is still alive somewhere???? But being pregnant and running away doesnt make much sense...Angela was 20, it said her ex boyfriend was 17, and Rob was 18.. Kind of odd for a 20 year old women to be dating a high school kid thats 17. Was Rob in high school at the time of the dissaperance?? Im guessing Angela was class of 89 or 90 and Rob was Class of 91? Not that this has anything to do with it. Does anyone have a clue what ever happened to Rob??? Im almost starting to believe that a pickup never existed wheter if she was killed by Rob or ranaway to Canada because of problems. Did they find Angelas fingerprints on the pay phone, did they find any other fingerprints on the pay phone... Did a call register from that payphone after 11:15 to Rob Shafers house... Someone else could of made the call and Angela may of never been at the phone booth.. Kyla could be an accomplice to Rob which is a crazy idea, but she has never been found you have to look at all angles..
Awsi Dooger 03-13-2007, 03:43 AM The age differences are a bit strange but in a small town of about 9000 people you won't have large graduating classes of people your own age. Angela turned 20 just two months before the abduction, and it's possible Rob and the ex-boyfriend were close to 19 and 18.
What evidence do we have of problems? I guess the assumption is it was an engagement brought on by the pregnancy but how can we be sure of that? I think the reports said Angela was four months pregnant. That was in April 1991. The UM segment said he have her a diamond ring in January. So they might not have known she was pregnant at the time.
One of the articles said two witnesses saw the truck and a man inside who fit Angela's description to Rob of what he looked like.
chet_58 03-13-2007, 06:14 AM Well its obvious if she was 4 months pregnant that they were only engaged because Rob got her pregnant. Getting married was a common thing to do when someone got pregnant then. Nowdays people dont just get married because they are pregnant. Did Angela attend Clinton high school??? I saw somewhere that her mother lived in Montrose, MO. I think thats around 15 minutes outside of Clinton and its a very very small school.
chet_58 03-13-2007, 06:35 AM Alot of weird stuff was going on from 1991-1993 in the Southeast Kansas, Southwest Missouri and Central Missouri area. Those 3 women from Springfield dissapeared in 1992. 3 women from Central Missouri dissapeared in 1991. In 1993 Ginger Hudson of Pittsburg, KS went missing and has still never been found. In 1993 Stefanie Schmidt i believe a 19 year old student at Pittsburg State was raped and killed by Donald Gideon. In 1989 in closeby Noel, MO a bank president was killed thrown alive into the lake. I believe there was also a woman from Galena, KS back in 1991 or 1992 that was abducted as well. I know that Stefanies case and the bankers case have been solved but maybe Donald Gideon had something to do with the dissapearances of all the other women??? or maybe there was another serial killer on the loose in this area at the time. All these places are all pretty close together. I wonder why anything on Ginger Hudson was never found?????? They never profiled anything on her.
wiseguy182 03-13-2007, 06:49 AM Did the I-70 killer ever make his way to Missouri and/or Kansas? I believe most of his killings were in that part of the country (Indiana and other Midwest states.) The exception being the three in Texas that they thought he might be responsible for.
kadrmas15 03-14-2007, 08:45 PM Well it doesnt necessarily have to mean that she was engaged to Rob just because she was pregnant. IT could be that they really loved each other and werent just engaged because of the pregnancy. I do think the same guy that abducted Hammond was a serial abducter/killer. I do not think it was Kenneth McDuff however I do think that the description of the abductor did match the man who assisted McDuff in Colleen Reed's abduction and probably other abductions, Alva Hank Worley.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-14-2007, 09:21 PM It's an interesting theory that it was Worley. Didn't McDuff say in his defense that Worley wanted to kidnap and kill a woman who ended up being Colleen Reed?
It would fit the fact pattern of the Colleen Reed disappearance... single woman alone in a location and taken against her will. Interesting theory, Kadrmas!
kadrmas15 03-14-2007, 10:14 PM It is an interesting theory indeed CRicci, I mean it is probably unlikely but it is possible. I am sure they wanted to go after Worley down in Texas as in put him on death row but they went easy on him to testify against McDuff. Worley I believe got a 40 year sentence and is still in prison in Texas. Indeed McDuff did try to shift the blame to Worley saying it was Worley's idea to abduct and rape Colleen Reed, I cant remember if McDuff tried to deny he was there at all when that happened or if he said he was just along for the ride. He said Worley "picked out" Colleen Reed so I dont know, I guess the only one that is still alive that really knows what happened there is Worley and I am sure he is going to keep his mouth shut because that is about the only hope he has of ever getting out of prison before he is like 70 years old.
kadrmas15 03-14-2007, 10:18 PM Yes, Worley is now 49 years old and became eligible for parole in May of 2002. However he has been denied and I doubt he gets out on parole. IF he is not released on parole his release date is set for May 14th, 2032 when Worley will be 75 years old. His release date is set so he might have to potentially serve every day of his full sentence before he is released. I am thinking that is how it will be but you never know.
Awsi Dooger 03-15-2007, 12:03 AM Well, regarding the theory that Worley did it alone, here's a strange thread I came across last week while researching McDuff. It's a recent thread on another site, started in early February 2007, regarding Worley's parole hearing.
I was reading the thread last week and amazed when many of Worley's relatives had posted, including his daughter. They stood up for him and insisted it was a one time event. Here's one long rant, from someone who says Worley was his/her uncle:
http://www.websitetoolbox.com/tool/post/rcooke/vpost?id=1676418&trail=15#10
"First, I want you to know my heart and soul cries for your losses. Both Rachel and Colleen. I totally agree with top capital punishment for all that are convicted of evil crimes. BUT....I do NOT agree with how you put half the stories in public view for them to react on. Your comments on Alva Hank Worley are shallow, unjust and unfair. Alva Hank Worley was as much a victim a Colleen Reed. He lost his life also. One really bad judgement changed many lives. Alva Hank Worley met Kenneth Allen McDuff through his ex-wife. Kenneth lived with them! Alva Hank Worley went to visit his kids one day and Kenneth was there. There with Alvas family! Evil demons in our world look just like you and me. How was he to know Kenneth Allen McDuff was a monster? Would you have known? Would you have just known by looking at him that he was a killer?, a tormenter?, a rapist? No, I don't think you would. If we had that abiliy, we would rid them before they could attack us. Wouldn't we? I have read many different reviews, stories, web pages after webpages and none of them tell the WHOLE story. I's easy to judge someone when all you hear is half the story. Or the "gossip" or the lies. PEOPLES OPINIONS...NOT THE REAL HARD TRUE FACTS! Alva Hank Worley is a very kind-hearted, giving, loving, generous person. The horror of that night will forever haunt him. Here is the TRUE story!
Alva Hank Worley met Kenneth Allen McDuff at his ex-wifes house while visiting with his babies. Kenneth asked Alva to go cruising with him....to tell the truth, and this is what it is all about, right? To find pot. They both smoked pot. And Kenneth asked him to go with him to find some..NOT TO FIND A VICTIM as was said. Alva Hank Worley had no reason not to trust him. He lived with his family! So, they went for a drive. McDuff obviously was out for something else. Worley had no idea what he was going to do. If he had, he would have had NO part in this and he would have done all he could to have stopped it. I know this for a fact. Alva Hank Worley has never hurt anyone and never would. He was in the passener seat when McDuff pulled into the car wash. He had no idea why McDuff stopped there. The next thing he knew, McDuff was pulling a woman to the car. McDuff made Alva Hank get out and drive. McDuff threw Colleen in the car. Alva Hank was driving now. This part only a few know. Alva Hank drove out of the car wash going the WRONG WAY on a oneway on purpose!!!! He tried to get attention. Never a cop when ya need one, right? right. He drove wrecklessly. He really tried but he knew McDuff had a gun. McDuff told him he did. Did you know this???? So, now McDuff is in the back seat with a lady and with a gun. What would you do at this point? Now, we can say what we would have done but in the heat of things, do you think straight? Especially in a case like this. No, you wouldn't. And I wouldn't. I would be so scared I couldn't breathe. So many times after the fact we say...gosh if I would have just done this or done that.....but after the fact. Alva Hank Worley knew he was in trouble and he was terrified. He thought he was go to be killed too. The experience was tramatic. He didn't know what to do. He was forced. He was threatened. McDuff always needed someone else to be there, someone he could say did it. He was SO evil! Colleen was sexually assulted and mudered. McDuff dropped Alva Hank off at his sisters house and told him if you say a word I will kill your kids and family. Alva Hank had NO reason to doubt him after what just happened. Would you? Alva Hank did not kill her, McDuff did! And he is gone, dead, out of our world! Thank God! Alva Hank did not know if she was dead or alive when he left. He was in terror. He knew McDuff would kill his babies. McDuff would kill his family. He lived with them!!!! To get this straight...they did NOT know he was a killer or rapist or anything other than a friend either. I don't know how they knew him or even met him. I don't know and I don't care. I am blessed to NEVER have known him. Alva Hank did tell. HE TURNED HIMSELF IN! He didn't run. He was scared. My uncle and friend ALVA HANK WORLEY IS INNOCENT! He has paid fully for just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And being another VICTIM of Kenneth Allen McDuff. The truth is there. Before you sign THE PETITION, make sure you know the facts before you leave a man in prison for something he had no control over. Uncle Hank is no monster. No threat to society. He is not perfect. But neither are we. God is our judge. God knows all the facts. God knows the truth and God will take care of it. Quit telling half the story. Tell the whole truth or shut up.
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kadrmas15 03-15-2007, 12:49 AM Hmm Awsi, that is interesting. I dont know I guess I cant say for sure that Worley is a bad guy but I will tell you he did rape Colleen Reed and admitted as such. Whether or not it was his idea to abduct her and all that is unknown but I dont really buy this stuff that Worley is sweet as apple pie. I mean maybe he isnt a monster but he did do something horrible. I understand why he took the plea bargain, 40 years was about the best he was going to get. But I did look at the thread and it found it interesting. Maybe Worley didnt participate in the murder but he did rape Colleen Reed, he admitted to that and gun to your head or not, it is pretty sick. I cant say that I feel bad Worley is where he is. I dont think Worley would cause the streets of Texas to go into chaos if he were released but I wont be pushing for his parole either.
Awsi Dooger 03-15-2007, 01:27 AM kadrmas, in that McDuff thread I posted a link in which Worley said he and McDuff took turns raping Colleen Reed in the back seat while driving down the freeway, before pulling over to a desolate site and continuing similar sexual assault on the hood of the car. So I'm not buying the excuses either, although it may be true he never did anything horrible before or after.
For one thing, the UM depiction in that Colleen Reed segment has them driving slowly through residential streets, obviously unfamiliar with the area including which streets were one way. Hard to believe they weren't looking for a victim. If they both smoked pot then the logical conclusion is they did it frequently and would know where to access it, from the same sources they always used. You troll for victims somewhere you're not known and won't be easily identified.
Thiussat 03-15-2007, 04:34 AM This case is interesting and it is one of the spookiest cases I have seen on UM. It is definitely one to watch late at night.
I find a few flaws in the boyfriend's story.
1) His car just so happened to go out during the "pursuit." Did the authorities ever check his car and really see if his transmission was stripped? Even if it was, it doesn't mean he didn't strip it on purpose after the fact.
2) The fact that he claims that the killer said "I didn't need to use the phone anyway" sounds a bit contrived and Hollywoodish to me.
3) It is odd that no one in town noticed this supposed "car chase." I know that model of Ford pick-up truck, they are quite loud.
4) If Angela was indeed pregnant, you have your motive. Rob was only 18 and may have freaked about the news.
5) The fact that no one in town saw any sort of pick-up truck like Rob described. It would be a tough one to miss with the rear window decorations.
6) Rob had the means, the motive, and opportunity. He was last one to see her alive. All this case lacks is a witness and a body. Other than that, Rob is convicted in any court.
I realize Rob's parents do say he really was at home on the phone with Angela when he said he was. But, I submit to you that it is possible that he simply told Angela to stay put, then he left the house in a fury (acting in front of his parents) and then goes straight to see her. He then kills her, and perhaps has a friend help with the disposal of her body. Then, he contrives this abductor story. Everything is just too convenient for Rob. What are the chances that he would make it to the phone booth in time to actually SEE the suspect and Angela. Further, what are the chances that his car would just so happen go out? I know he lived very close to the phone booth, but his story is just too perfect. All the planets would have to be lined up for his scenario to be true.
I told a friend about this case the other day. He had never seen the segment. I actually told it with the bias that I believed Rob's story. My friend immediately said "I don't know about that. Something stinks here. I think the BF is involved." He pointed out that what gave it away was the fact that the supposed abductor said "I didn't need the phone anyway." I agree with him, it does sound made up.
All the facts point toward the BF as far as I am aware.
kadrmas15 03-15-2007, 05:49 AM Haha, oh wow. Okay, talk about people trying to bust someone's balls over it because they cant find who did it.
Yes, I am sure the cops did check Rob's car and I am sure they went through his story with a finetooth comb. Do you really think they would take anything he said just on face value alone? I sure dont.
How could Rob strip the car down on a street? It doesnt make sense. I am sure the cops checked out his car to make sure that he did in fact throw out the transmission, it would be immediately suspect for him to claim as such so I am sure they checked it thoroughly to make sure he was telling the truth.
He could have heard the killer say "I didnt need to use the phone anyway." I certainly wouldnt say he didnt hear it. Neither I nor you heard what was said. Personally I think what is more Hollywoodish is someone thinking that some 20 year old kid would have the pre meditation in him to plan to knock off his girlfriend he seemingly loved and yet plan this whole transmission throw out thing yet be able to fool the cops and pretty much everyone else. I mean come on.
Also it is uuite possible that no one saw nor heard the car chase. Who knows if the truck was loud or not? It could have been in perfect condition with a new muffler and therefore not loud. Plus this happened on a week night late at night, after 11 at night, in the early 90's in a town with fewer than 10 thousand people. Also who said it wasnt noticed? That is how the reneactment portrayed it, doesnt mean that is exactly how it went down. Trust me, on a week night these towns would be dead at that time of night, so it isnt surprising that there wasnt a crowd of people standing around outside saying "gee there is a loud truck and a station wagon chasing behind."
If Angie was pregnant still no motive. Honestly, Rob hardly seems the type to knock off his girlfriend because she was pregnant. However it isnt even known if this was the case, it wasnt mentioned in the UM segment, not to say it wasnt going on but there seems to be back and forth theories on whether or not she was really pregnant. Also I think Rob was older than 18. I dont know, I just dont think it was a motive.
Also there were people that came forward that claimed to have saw the truck before the abduction happened. 2nd, as I mentioned earlier this was a town of less than 10 thousand people on a weeknight late at night in the early 90's it was dead and there were few if any people out at that time of night. Not at all uncommon.
Rob I can say fairly surely would not be for sure convicted if brought to trial on this even now. For you to say he would be is just arrogant.
Also Rob didnt make it to the phone booth before Angie was abducted. He heard her scream he ran to his car raced downtown and saw the guy in the truck coming from the opposite direction blocks from the phone booth. I am sure the cops did time all this stuff out and I am sure it was possible, again Clinton is a small town not a booming metropolis. Also it wasnt Rob's parents who said it, they werent home, he was baby sitting his little brother after the BBQ, his little brother was the one who gave him the alibi.
Also if it was him and some friend doing this crap, they are teenagers and one of them would break down and confess, I think you try to build up Rob as this pre mediating psycho path that is just completely capable of pulling off a pre meditated murder when I think that is far from the case. He wouldnt have had time to dispose of the body in a place where it would never be found, even if your theory was true the body would have been found he simply wouldnt have had the time to dispose of it in a place where it wouldnt be.
You act like it is just impossible for this story to be true when in fact it really isnt. First off it isnt the perfect story as you claim. 2nd off he didnt make it to the phone booth, he saw the killer heading out of town in the truck and he came across him and chased after him. He was going to go after him and he threw his car into reverse without coming to a stop first which damaged his tranmission. This isnt some out of the woods impossible theory, it happens all the time to people who are driving automatic transmissions.
Maybe if you would have had all the details right instead of picking and choosing them your friend might have been able to accurately depict whether or not Rob was telling the truth.
Awsi Dooger 03-15-2007, 06:26 AM I'm amazed at all the skepticism late in this thread.
Here's a section of one of the articles:
"Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m."
Okay, and we know that Rob was given a lift to the police station at midnight. So that gives him a full 45 minutes to find and kill Angela, dispose of her body so well that it's never found, leave her car at the pay phone, go home and trick his brother with the phony phone call from Angela, presumably clean up and change clothes, stage the blown transmission, and contact authorities before he's taken to the station.
And somehow he also managed to do it during a night when two people would claim they saw a truck and person in it who matched the description Rob gave. Oh wait, I suppose during his scampering around he saw that truck and quickly decided the guy wasn't from the area and would never be located, so let's use him as the perpetrator.
If Rob managed all that, the same question can be used in reverse, i.e., why didn't anyone in town see any of it?
Thiussat 03-15-2007, 06:28 AM I remember that now. Rob never made it to the booth, but passed them on the road. You're right, I remember now. However, this makes his story even more suspect. Was this the only route away from the phone booth? If not, then chances are that they probably wouldn't pass each other.
Rob has to be the prime suspect. Sure, its possible that she really was abducted by some stranger, but we will never know for sure until her body is found.
I don't remember hearing anyone in the segment say that there were people who had seen the truck in that town in the days prior. Is this really true? If so, then it makes his story more credible. But, as far as I am concerned, there is more against him than for him.
I live in a small town too. Born and raised in a town with about 10,000 people in it (in mid 90's). As a teen, we used to be mischevious and drag race etc... You would be surprised how many people reported us, even on these "back roads" where no one was supposed to be awake, much less looking.
Again, a stranger may be involved here, but there is ZERO evidence of it. The only evidence we have is a fantastic story by her BF, who was probably estranged from her in the first place. Until otherwise proven, the working hypothesis should be that he is the prime suspect (unless there have been updates on the case clearing him).
Thiussat 03-15-2007, 06:40 AM Okay, and we know that Rob was given a lift to the police station at midnight. So that gives him a full 45 minutes to find and kill Angela, dispose of her body so well that it's never found, leave her car at the pay phone, go home and trick his brother with the phony phone call from Angela, presumably clean up and change clothes, stage the blown transmission, and contact authorities before he's taken to the station.
Her car was ALREADY at the pay phone, so scratch him doing anything with her car. He was ALREADY at home when Angela called. This is confirmed by his brother. I am saying he may have killed her AFTER the phone conversation. So scratch that.
This leaves him 45 minutes to kill her, dispose of her, change clothes, call cops. His transmission may have already been blown (and he used it as a story to convince them).
Yes, I admit it is a bit odd that her body was never found since, presumably, he would have to take quite a bit of time to find such a location to dispose of it. Also, there was, I assume, no blood or any other physical evidence found in his car.
The thing I want to be clear on is this: were there any witnesses in any form or fashion? Were there any witnesses to the truck being in that town and acting suspciously? Most importantly, did anyone witness that truck driving around that very night? If a man really abducted her, then I assume he would have seen her and her friend cruising around and probably followed them around. I find it unlikely that this man just "happened" upon Angela at the booth. I think he saw her and her GF cruising around. Did Angela's friend remember the truck?
If you can show me witnesses of that, then I may come around. I didn't realize the window of time was so small for Rob. This seems to be on his side.
kane7474 03-15-2007, 07:45 AM Her car was ALREADY at the pay phone, so scratch him doing anything with her car. He was ALREADY at home when Angela called. This is confirmed by his brother. I am saying he may have killed her AFTER the phone conversation. So scratch that.
This leaves him 45 minutes to kill her, dispose of her, change clothes, call cops. His transmission may have already been blown (and he used it as a story to convince them).
Yes, I admit it is a bit odd that her body was never found since, presumably, he would have to take quite a bit of time to find such a location to dispose of it. Also, there was, I assume, no blood or any other physical evidence found in his car.
The thing I want to be clear on is this: were there any witnesses in any form or fashion? Were there any witnesses to the truck being in that town and acting suspciously? Most importantly, did anyone witness that truck driving around that very night? If a man really abducted her, then I assume he would have seen her and her friend cruising around and probably followed them around. I find it unlikely that this man just "happened" upon Angela at the booth. I think he saw her and her GF cruising around. Did Angela's friend remember the truck?
If you can show me witnesses of that, then I may come around. I didn't realize the window of time was so small for Rob. This seems to be on his side.
You should really read through the thread we have already established a timeline of events that I think proves Rob is telling the truth. I realize you think its odd that there are no witnesses except Rob, you must consider though there are no witnesses to the abductions of Trudy Darby, Cheryl Kenney or the three girls in Springfield. So you see its no so uncommon to not have witnesses in an abduction case. Keep in mind that Rob was investigated by the Clinton Police, the Henry County Sheriffs and the FBI, none of them ever named him as a suspect.
GoldenDelicious 03-15-2007, 11:29 AM I grew up in Clinton. I just checked the only Clinton High School yearbook I have here at my house, and she's not in it, though she would be based on her age, so she may have gone to Montrose High.
I personally don't know of anyone who believes Rob is guilty. You have to consider that Clinton is a small town, so not many people are out on a weeknight. At the same time, Henry County is an area of many small towns and rural areas. There are tons of back roads for someone to take and never be seen by the police. Heck, we all managed to "party" every weekend night on rural roads when I was in high school, not even pulled off into a field, just simply parked cars on a rural road and did what teenagers do and never were caught--no one ever drove by past a certain time. On a week night, it woud be quite easy to drive down a maze of rural roads and hide yourself and your truck.
Also, though small, Clinton is the county seat and draws people in for shopping, entertainment (such as it is), etc, from all the smaller towns in the area. Additionally, it is close to Truman Lake, a major destination for fishermen, boaters, etc. There are lots of people going through at any given time. We have several fast food restaurants because of the "lake traffic" as everyone refers to it. You certainly don't "know everyone" and a stranger in a dirty green truck would likely attract no attention at all. There are always men driving dirty old trucks around Clinton, and many of the drivers are not so clean appearing themselves, to put it politely. I am pretty sure this man/truck would not be noticed, but would simply blend in. The fact that the truck was not seen by anyone means nothing to me. The phone booth, though right at an intersection, was in a dark, deserted (at that time of night) parking lot, one that if you were driving by then, you would have no reason to look over at. I can easily believe all this happened without anyone noticing.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-15-2007, 11:41 AM I'm still stuck on the earlier posts regarding what Awsi found on the web regarding Worley. The junior prosecutor in me wants to point out several flaws in this "description" of Worley:
1. Worley "didn't have a choice" in the matter-- Okay, whatever. You always have a choice. You don't like what's going on in the car, you GET OUT OF THE CAR. Yeah, perhaps McDuff had a gun... but by the time that they abducted Colleen Reed, Worley KNEW it was going to happen. He had plenty of time to get out of the car before then. The ONLY person who didn't have a choice in the matter was the victim, Colleen Reed.
2. "McDuff made Alva Hank get out and drive"-- If he was so innocent in the whole matter and didn't want to hurt a woman, do you get in the car and drive? No. YOU SAY NO. YOU WALK AWAY. You don't comply, and you certainly DON'T stop and switch drivers so you can BOTH have your way with Colleen Reed.
3. Worley was an unwilling accomplice. "He was forced. He was threatened."-- Okay. Then why did he help hold Colleen Reed down and rape her repeatedly? Why did he not just stand by, but ASSIST in the crime? His actions don't match this description.
4. "My uncle and friend ALVA HANK WORLEY IS INNOCENT! He has paid fully for just being at the wrong place at the wrong time. And being another VICTIM of Kenneth Allen McDuff."-- "Victim" implies that something bad must have happened to Worley. The only "bad" thing that I see is that he was sent to prison and is being denied parole. He was sent to prison because he participated in the kidnapping, rape, and murder of Colleen Reed. I don't care if he was a good person both before and after the crime. Your life can change forever because of ONE. BAD. DECISION. Worley did not make ONE bad decision that night. He made several. I'm not saying that he's a monster, either, but I am stressing that he is a person who needs to be held accountable for his mistakes.
Sorry for the rant. People who break the law and then insist that the law shouldn't apply to them infuriate me.
dynoguy88 03-15-2007, 02:52 PM If Angela was indeed pregnant, you have your motive. Rob was only 18 and may have freaked about the news.
I don't know if I agree with that. Rob and Angela got engaged in early January 1991 - a full 3 months before she was kidnapped. He was looking forward to a career in the military where I'm sure he would be able to support Angela and the baby.
Thiussat 03-15-2007, 06:54 PM I am starting to come around to Rob's side on this. I have not seen the segment in a year or two and some of the details I had forgotten. For example, I never knew that he only had 45 minutes between the dissapearance and when he was taken to the police station. This is very important, obviously.
I still maintain, though, that the evidence is lacking for any other suspect.
hostedbyrobertstack 03-15-2007, 07:37 PM like i said before I always found this story as made up when I saw it on lifetime, but no one knows what actually happened obviously. Then when I came on here and found out his girlfriend was pregnant, that made me think even more against Rob. Even with 45 minutes, I'm sure it could be done. He could have already had a "place" in mind to kill her and hide her body that maybe wouldn't be found, and that place wouldn't have to be far away. This case goes both ways, althought with many cases, the truth ends up being something I never would even guess, so he very well could have been involved.
shamac 03-18-2007, 12:30 PM everyone in the family knew Angie was pregnant. Her mother was excited at the prospect of being a grandmother. As for Rob, Marsha never suspected him. They were all at the BBQ that night, no family friction. Also Angie graduated from Montrose.
chet_58 03-19-2007, 12:21 AM Was Rob Shafer a senior in high school when this happened or was he out of school???? It said he was 18 at the time and it was in April
longliveum 03-19-2007, 01:09 PM What ever happened to Rob? Someone else said he lives in Lamar, Missouri. Did he eventually marry or have children? Just curious.
dynoguy88 03-19-2007, 02:34 PM What ever happened to Rob? Someone else said he lives in Lamar, Missouri. Did he eventually marry or have children? Just curious.
According to Peoplefinder.com, Rob has two cities listed as his residence. Lamar, Missouri. It says he now lives in Butler, Missouri which is about 57 miles away according to yahoo maps.
LooksLikeCRicci 03-19-2007, 04:25 PM Nice sleuthing, Dynoguy! I always wondered what happened to Rob myself. I assumed he married but I was just curious.
kadrmas15 03-20-2007, 12:39 AM Hey nice picture CRicci. As for Rob, I never seriously suspected the guy, I just dont think he had anything to do with it. Does that mean he for sure didnt do it? Of course not. I just think the odds happen to be against it. I hope Rob is living a happy life and he is probably married and has kids by now. I would be curious if he ever joined the military?
As for Worley, I dont know, I mean maybe he isnt such a bad guy. However for him to say he is innocent, I dont know. I mean maybe he didnt have anything to do with the murder, maybe when he left Colleen Reed was really alive and McDuff took her off somewhere. However Worley certainly did nothing to stop the murder and besides that according to McDuff it was Worley's idea to rape Colleen Reed and that Worley even "picked her out" while they were driving around Austin. Heck, by Worley's own admission him and McDuff took turns between driving and raping Colleen Reed while they were driving north on I-35 out of Austin.
shamac 03-20-2007, 10:02 AM Rob lives in Jasper. Butler is about 42 miles east of Clinton. He moved to Butler after he married.
longliveum 03-20-2007, 04:19 PM Thanks, shamac, for the update on Rob. What a horrible thing to live with. I'm glad to know he married and was able to get on with his life (as much as possible).
chet_58 03-22-2007, 01:03 PM What does Rob do in Jasper???? DId he also go to Montrose or was he a Clinton High School kid???? Someone said they had a yearbook, what year did Rob graduate????
freshwater 04-18-2007, 02:27 PM Short-time reader, first time poster.......
I'm not sure if this is mentioned in the 9 pages of posts here regarding this case, but I believe the Trudy Darby murder was solved. I googled her name and got something about a guy appealing his conviction in this case. I just skimmed it, but he allegedly said his brother and another guy were involved in the Darby murder. It seems unconnected to the Hammond kidnapping, IMHO.
crystaldawn 04-18-2007, 02:46 PM Short-time reader, first time poster.......
I'm not sure if this is mentioned in the 9 pages of posts here regarding this case, but I believe the Trudy Darby murder was solved. I googled her name and got something about a guy appealing his conviction in this case. I just skimmed it, but he allegedly said his brother and another guy were involved in the Darby murder. It seems unconnected to the Hammond kidnapping, IMHO.
Welcome to the board and thanks for pointing that out. I didn't know someone had been convicted of her murder. I found that webpage you're speaking of and here is a part concerning Trudy's murder I thought you guys might want to read:
"At approximately 10:00 p.m. on January 19, 1991, Trudy Darby was working at the K & D convenience store in Macks Creek, Camden County, Missouri. Just prior to closing the store for the evening, Ms. Darby noticed a suspicious looking man standing outside the front of the store. She immediately telephoned her home and spoke to her son, Waylon Darby, whom she asked to come to the store to help her close up. That telephone call ended abruptly.
Before her son arrived to help, Trudy Darby was abducted at gun point by at least three men. Upon arriving at the store and discovering that his mother was gone, Waylon Darby called the Camden County Sheriff's Department. Trooper Jimmy Mays of the Missouri State Highway Patrol arrived at the scene and "processed" the store and surrounding area. Despite extensive search efforts that evening, Trudy Darby was not found.
On January 21, 1991, a concerned citizen heard a report from one of his neighbors that he heard a gunshot near the Little Niangua River on the night of Ms. Darby's abduction. After investigating himself and discovering what appeared to be blood and blond hair on the road near the river, the citizen contacted Deputy Crocker of the Camden County Sheriff's Department, who in turn contacted Trooper Mays, and together the two officers went to the river and investigated.
They discovered the blood, hair and a spent .38 caliber shell casing near the river. The two officers also discovered that the flow of the water in the river created a whirlpool near a bridge, and they believed that anything thrown in the river would have either stayed near the whirlpool or would have not floated very far downstream.
Next, the officers contacted the Missouri Highway Patrol and requested a helicopter search along the river. The helicopter search resulted in locating a nude female body that was about four feet under water and approximately three-quarter's of a mile downstream from where the blood, hair and shell casing were found. The body was identified as Trudy Darby.
The blood and hair found on the road near the river were later determined to match Trudy Darby's blood and hair by the Missouri State Highway Patrol Crime Laboratory.
An autopsy was performed by Dr. Jay Dix on Trudy Darby's body on January 22, 1991. Dr. Dix determined that Trudy Darby's death was caused by two gunshot wounds. The first shot entered the right side of her head creating a gutter wound across her right ear, and the bullet then lodged in her skull after traveling about one inch. The trajectory of the bullet indicated that it came from behind and to the right of the victim. The second shot entered the back of Ms. Darby's head and traveled up through her brain before coming to rest below her scalp.
The investigation into who abducted and murdered Trudy Darby revealed little until the Summer of 1994.
Between 1992 and 1993, Defendant was living with family members near Kansas City, Missouri, and during his stay there he revealed to Elizabeth Corpening that he was involved in the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby. Ms. Corpening was disturbed by this revelation but did not take it too seriously.
Thereafter, in 1993 Defendant revealed to Carl Blakely, a former neighbor of Defendant, that he was involved in the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby. However, this time Defendant's revelation was taken seriously and was reported to Trooper Mays. During the same time period, Gretchen Chastain, a former girlfriend of Defendant, also reported to Trooper Mays that Defendant had revealed to her that he was involved in the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby.
Armed with these reports, Trooper Mays had Defendant arrested. After his arrest, Defendant was interviewed by three officers. One of the officers was a juvenile officer because at the time of the murder, Defendant would have been fifteen years old. At the beginning of the interview, Defendant denied his involvement in this crime. However, later during the interview, Defendant changed his mind and revealed that he was present during the commission of the crimes. Defendant also implicated his brother and one other individual.
It appears that Defendant, together with his brother and at least one other person, arrived at the K & D convenience store on January 19, 1991, with the purpose of robbing and abducting Trudy Darby.
After entering the store and taking money from the cash register, Trudy Darby was dragged out of the store and thrown into the trunk of their automobile. Trudy Darby was then taken to a barn located near the convenience store where she was repeatedly raped and beaten by Defendant and the other persons involved. She was then shot once in the head and placed back into the trunk of their automobile. Defendant and his co-conspirators then drove to the Little Niangua River and opened the trunk and discovered that Trudy Darby was still alive. She was shot in the head again. Her body was then thrown into the river.
During Defendant's incarceration pending trial on this matter, he revealed to at least three inmates that he was involved in the abduction and murder of Trudy Darby. These three inmates each testified against Defendant.
One of the inmates was Edward Thomas, with whom Defendant became acquainted at the Fulton Diagnostic Center. Defendant was under the mistaken belief that Edward Thomas, a "jailhouse lawyer," could help him "beat" the charges pending against him. During the course of several conversations and some thirteen hand-written letters to Edward Thomas, Defendant revealed his involvement in the murder of Trudy Darby.
Thereafter, Edward Thomas turned over all the letters he received from Defendant and revealed the substance of his conversations with Defendant to the Camden County Sheriff's Department. These letters were all introduced into evidence by the prosecution during Defendant's trial.
Defendant did not testify on his own behalf at trial nor did he present any evidence on his behalf. Defendant was convicted by a jury of first degree murder and kidnapping and was sentenced to life in prison without eligibility for parole or probation."
LooksLikeCRicci 04-18-2007, 04:46 PM Wow. Thanks for posting that.
freshwater 04-18-2007, 05:17 PM From the Missouri Dept. of Corrections website......these two guys are in prison for the murder of Trudy Darby (life sentences). They may be brothers, although they have different last names. Rush was 15 at the time of the murder, and Chaney was 29 or 30.
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microeconomia 04-18-2007, 07:17 PM Thanks for that information freshwater. Finally, justice has been done in the case concerning Ms. Darby´s horrible murder:)
kane7474 04-23-2007, 07:50 PM Well who's to say that these guys (or atleast one of them) were not also involved in the Hammond case. They could have very well felt like they got away with the murder of Trudy Darby and decided to do it again. The crimes are so similar and happened in a close time frame, its got to be a possibility. Any thoughts?
kane7474 04-23-2007, 08:20 PM [QUOTE=freshwater]From the Missouri Dept. of Corrections website......these two guys are in prison for the murder of Trudy Darby (life sentences). They may be brothers, although they have different last names. Rush was 15 at the time of the murder, and Chaney was 29 or 30.
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kane7474 04-23-2007, 08:57 PM Ok I dug into this in the MO courts website. Turns out the attorney for Rush tried to file an apeal to his sentence in 1997. The reason? The judge had allowed into evidence writings by Rush where he openly admitted to committing OTHER SIMILAR crimes. Hows that for a smoking gun.
Here is a qoute from one of Rush's writings
FN1. All statutory references are to RSMo 1994, unless otherwise indicated.
FN2. For example, Defendant wrote to Edward Thomas that "I never told you about them other bitchs . . . ." With regard to some evidence, he wrote "because if it gets found by accident it can get us involved in killing them other ****ing bitchs. . . ." Furthermore, Defendant wrote "hey dog I tried to explain a little about them other bitchs I hope your not mad at me. . . ." Defendant also explained to Edward Thomas in a letter that "the cops don't even know about my brother and me killing any other bitchs except Macks Creek." Finally, Defendant wrote that "them other bitchs in my last letter to you were both like that bitch in Macks Creek we all tortured the bitchs then ****ed the dog **** out of em. . . ." These examples represent the degree of detail which Defendant referred to other crimes. All spelling and grammatical errors in these examples belong to the author of the letters, Defendant.
chet_58 04-24-2007, 12:34 AM Does anyone have any clue what kind of vehicle these men were driving at the time...If this was wrote about the other "bitchs" then obviously he is referring to the Kenney lady from Nevada, MO and Angela Hammond from Clinton.
kane7474 04-24-2007, 08:04 AM Im sure there is some way to do a DMV check and find out if any of them owned an older pick up truck. I don't want to get too overzealous here but Im fairly sure we have our suspects. Several people have asked how it is the driver of the truck was able to control Angela and still drive, the answer is there were actually two abductors. Does Chaney not look like the hairy bearded man that Angela described? After circling the block and picking their victim Rush may have been let out of the truck out of Angela's sight. As Chaney fiddled around in the truck distracting her Rush could have snuck up on her and they both drug her into the truck. This guy has openly said they comitted other similar crimes in regards to Trudy Darby, we know of several similar crimes in the same general area and during the same time period. What more do we need here?
LooksLikeCRicci 04-24-2007, 11:06 AM Wowww.... again, I'm impressed with some good online sleuthing. Nice work, Kane7474!
Quick law for y'all: The reason that this guy is filing an appeal is because his writings about the "other b****es" was presumably in violation of Rule of Evidence 404(b), which stipulates that evidence of previous bad acts is not allowed to be entered against you in court, as it is extremely prejudicial. HOWEVER, the loophole to this rule is that such evidence can be entered if it establishes a pattern of behavior. Based on the language of the writings which Kane7474 has uncovered, I'm a firm believer that this writing does establish such a pattern. However, that's for an appellate judge to decide, not me. :(
I'm intrigued by this new development. I don't want to get too excited, either, but it is definitely plausible. I'm just sad to read that if Angela WAS abducted by these men, she was obviously raped and tortured before she was killed.
NOTANEWSBROADCAST 04-25-2007, 01:51 AM Look Guys Im One Of Those Members Here That Do More Reading Than Posting But I Am Posting This To Say That What If?? What If We Are On To Something?? Lets Face It - We Are The Only People Pretty Much In The World Talking About These Cold Cases That Have Fallen Into Obscurity - What If We Can Make Some Noise And Notify That Parsons Detective Guy From The Hammond Segment And At Least Mention It To Him To Look Into This? A While Back I Broke It To You Guys That Angela Was Pregnant With Robs Baby When Abducted - I Wouldn't Be Posting This If I Didn't Feel That Maybe We Can Make A Difference - Think About It.
kane7474 04-25-2007, 07:52 AM Look Guys Im One Of Those Members Here That Do More Reading Than Posting But I Am Posting This To Say That What If?? What If We Are On To Something?? Lets Face It - We Are The Only People Pretty Much In The World Talking About These Cold Cases That Have Fallen Into Obscurity - What If We Can Make Some Noise And Notify That Parsons Detective Guy From The Hammond Segment And At Least Mention It To Him To Look Into This? A While Back I Broke It To You Guys That Angela Was Pregnant With Robs Baby When Abducted - I Wouldn't Be Posting This If I Didn't Feel That Maybe We Can Make A Difference - Think About It.
I agree with you but I wonder whether we should go to the police first or the media. The problem with going to the dectectives first would be they may just blow this off, being that if it turns out these men are guilty of this crime investigators would have some egg on their face. The information that we have uncovered has been right under their noses since at least 1994. It just boggles my mind that when this prosecutor brought these writings by Jess Rush into evidence they didnt look into the other crimes he spoke of. If we go to the local media with the new information it will force the police to check into it. Any thoughts or ideas on the best way to present this? If this does turn out to be the case cracker I just want to make sure that everyone on this webforum gets the credit for it, there has been alot of debate and discussion over the past year that has brought us to where we are now everyone should share in the credit.
James T 04-25-2007, 08:21 AM Ok so if there were two or more people in the van then does that not differ from Rob's version? he made no mention of anybody else other than the driver which is highly unlikely, also would it not be smarter for one to drive while the other one holds her down or ties her up out of sight in the back rather than driving around with a screaming woman in the front while the guy twiddles his thumbs out of sight?
kane7474 04-25-2007, 10:27 AM Ok so if there were two or more people in the van then does that not differ from Rob's version? he made no mention of anybody else other than the driver which is highly unlikely, also would it not be smarter for one to drive while the other one holds her down or ties her up out of sight in the back rather than driving around with a screaming woman in the front while the guy twiddles his thumbs out of sight?
Rob got a glimpse of them speeding by him, he may very well of not seen the other person in the truck. It could have been that the accomplice was in the process of tying her up when she was able to raise her head, see Rob driving by and scream. Also they were in a pick up truck, not a van. So if they would have been in the back they would not have been out of sight.
NOTANEWSBROADCAST 04-25-2007, 01:14 PM Kane - Then Maybe The Media Might Be The 1st Best Thing - You Guys Never Know What We May Be Onto - Lets Also Just Keep In Mind What Was Slightly Mentioned A Little While Ago Too (which I Kept At The Back Of My Mind) - Kenneth Mcduff's Assistant, Hank Worley In The Abduction Of Colleen Reed Looks A Lot Like The Decription That Angela Gave That Night - You Never Know - Lets Keep Talking About This Guys.
kane7474 04-25-2007, 01:56 PM Kane - Then Maybe The Media Might Be The 1st Best Thing - You Guys Never Know What We May Be Onto - Lets Also Just Keep In Mind What Was Slightly Mentioned A Little While Ago Too (which I Kept At The Back Of My Mind) - Kenneth Mcduff's Assistant, Hank Worley In The Abduction Of Colleen Reed Looks A Lot Like The Decription That Angela Gave That Night - You Never Know - Lets Keep Talking About This Guys.
I have been searching for more court records in the Trudy Darby case. All I can come up with are some documents from the appeals court concerning Jess Rush. I have been able to find excerpts from the 13 letters he wrote in which he mentions committing similar crimes but have not yet had any success finding them in their entirety. I have found no information as to the trial of Marvin Chaney, other then the fact that he has what appears to be the same type of sentence as Rush, life without parole. Rush metioned to police during his confession that there were three people involved in Darby's kidnapping, rape and murder. I have had no luck finding the identity of the 3rd person, does this mean we have someone that was involved in this terrible crime still walking the streets today. Whether it was Chaney and Rush or Mcduff's buddy one thing is for sure, none of them are going to admit it. There is nothing to plea bargin for here, if any of them were to come clean they would only be giving themselves a death sentence. Therefore its going to take alot of investigative work to pin it on any of the three. First we need to know who is the third person involved in the Darby murder, Second we need to know if a truck matching the one Rob Shaffer saw take Angela was ever registered to Chaney or the 3 rd accomplice. Third, police need to take all of the witnesses that Rush told about killing Trudy and interview them again. Its quite possible he bragged about killing Angela or Cheryl Kenney and they didnt take him seriously at the time. Lastly they should interview inmates that have had contact with Rush since he was sentenced, the guy is so ignorant he may still be bragging to this day.
If you read Rush's writings its obvious he is a derranged killer. He openly talks about how he enjoys raping and killing women even going so far as to say he wanted to "rape her then shoot her in the head and watch her brains come out". Now, we know for a fact he is guilty of Trudy Darby's murder, we also know there are two other dissappearances of young women in the same general area and in the same time frame. Its interesting to note that in one of Rush's rantings he states that if they only would have burned Darby's body they would have gotten away with it. Now do you think he is speaking from experience? Does he know for a fact that if you burn a body it will not be found? Does he know this because he has in fact done it and gotten away with it?
kane7474 04-25-2007, 02:56 PM Here is another Quote from the letters that Jess Rush wrote to the jailhouse lawyer:
I just wish my brother would have done like I said at the barn and burnt the bitch up but that ***** ass cheevers and parel desided to take the bitch to a ****in river instead. I was to ****ed up to argue with em all I wanted to do was **** the bitch then shoot her in the head to watch her brains come out. Sounds cool huh? . . . if the bitch would have not moved in the trunk at the river my brother wouldn't of had to shoot her in the head again just the have the cops find a shell the stupid mother ****er the only smart thing we did was have marshels brother greg burn the barn other wise the mother ****ers would have a lot more on us. im glad they don't know every thing else we did or i'd be on death row . . . . End Quote
So here we have him mentioning people with the names Cheevers and Parel also he says Marshalls brother Greg burned the barn to destroy evidence. So according to this we have three more people involved that were never charged. These are people that could be swayed to rat out each other if indeed they had knowledge of the other murders.
NOTANEWSBROADCAST 04-25-2007, 05:13 PM Wow Kane - I just found out that Cheryl Ann Kenney's body was found in 2000 - I don't think this was ever reported here. Interestingly enough, that same site mentions the Darby case as still unsolved. (I tried to link this but i couldn't - if you google or yahoo "Charley Project Angela Hammond" you'll find the page.
kane7474 04-25-2007, 07:10 PM Wow Kane - I just found out that Cheryl Ann Kenney's body was found in 2000 - I don't think this was ever reported here. Interestingly enough, that same site mentions the Darby case as still unsolved. (I tried to link this but i couldn't - if you google or yahoo "Charley Project Angela Hammond" you'll find the page.
I looked at what your talking about and honestly I think they have that wrong. I have searched every newspaper in the state that is available online and there is no mention anywhere of Kenney's body being found. Keep in mind they are saying that her skeleton was found in 2000 and Darby's murder is still unsolved. By 1998 two men had been convicted in the Darby case, therefore I must question the accuracy of their information.
kadrmas15 04-26-2007, 12:50 AM Well Kane, I am still surprised you are not trying to bust Rob Shaffer's balls over Angela's disapperance. I mean if you cant find the guy who did it might as well settle on a guy who looks good right?
Wrong! Shaffer didnt do it, I know you were not saying that right now, but I honestly think if you had your way Shaffer would have been arrested and convicted and either serving time on death row or prison for a crime he did not commit.
Babydollz24 04-26-2007, 01:46 AM This case has always freaked me out. Like why was there no body ever found? I'm sure everyone must think ( I hate to say this) that she's no longer with us. There is no evidence or sightings to confirm that she is alive. I just wish that this case could be solved, so it would give her family some closure, so they can have an Idea of what happened. Its been how many years now?this case is so creepy, and i think that maybe it should be brought to people's attention about those to creeps that killed that other woman. From what that dude said, they didn't know what else they had done.....
kane7474 04-26-2007, 07:38 AM Well Kane, I am still surprised you are not trying to bust Rob Shaffer's balls over Angela's disapperance. I mean if you cant find the guy who did it might as well settle on a guy who looks good right?
Wrong! Shaffer didnt do it, I know you were not saying that right now, but I honestly think if you had your way Shaffer would have been arrested and convicted and either serving time on death row or prison for a crime he did not commit.
WTF? Have you been paying attention? was I not the one that came up with the timeline that showed it would have been virtually impossible for Rob to have been involved? Go back and read my prior posts on here, I did say that people I knew in Clinton did not beleive his story, but after talking to them more indepth I realized they had based that opinion on false information. None of the people who thought he was guilty had ever really dug into the case or looked at the evidence.
James T 04-26-2007, 07:59 AM Why do they even bother locking these inhuman cretins up? just put a bullet between their eyes, no morals, no brains, no reedeming qualities at all.
Here is another Quote from the letters that Jess Rush wrote to the jailhouse lawyer:
I just wish my brother would have done like I said at the barn and burnt the bitch up but that ***** ass cheevers and parel desided to take the bitch to a ****in river instead. I was to ****ed up to argue with em all I wanted to do was **** the bitch then shoot her in the head to watch her brains come out. Sounds cool huh? . . . if the bitch would have not moved in the trunk at the river my brother wouldn't of had to shoot her in the head again just the have the cops find a shell the stupid mother ****er the only smart thing we did was have marshels brother greg burn the barn other wise the mother ****ers would have a lot more on us. im glad they don't know every thing else we did or i'd be on death row . . . . End Quote
So here we have him mentioning people with the names Cheevers and Parel also he says Marshalls brother Greg burned the barn to destroy evidence. So according to this we have three more people involved that were never charged. These are people that could be swayed to rat out each other if indeed they had knowledge of the other murders.
kane7474 04-26-2007, 10:24 AM Why do they even bother locking these inhuman cretins up? just put a bullet between their eyes, no morals, no brains, no reedeming qualities at all.
Well I agree with you on that, if we can get the investigators to start looking at Rush and Chaney maybe these scumbags will be removed from the earth. Not by a bullet to the head but a needle in the arm will suffice.
freshwater 04-26-2007, 02:59 PM Kind of stupid, but when I read this story today I got chills when I saw the name of the boy's mother.....(glad they caught this SOB, too)
Kidney transplant fugitive caught in Mexico
(CNN) -- A Kentucky man who had been on the lam for more than a year after he was released from jail to donate a kidney to his son was captured in Mexico on Wednesday, a deputy U.S. Marshal said.
Byron Perkins and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Howard, were captured in Puerto Vallarta on Mexico's Pacific coast, said Deputy U.S. Marshal Dawn Izgarjan.
The pair arrived Wednesday night in Los Angeles, where they face an initial court appearance Thursday.
Perkins was released from jail without bond by a federal judge in January 2006 so he could complete testing before donating a kidney to his teenage son, Destin. At the time, he was awaiting a possible life sentence following a conviction on drug, weapon and other charges.
Perkins was not wearing a tracking ankle bracelet because doctors told the court it would have interfered with medical tests.
Doctors said Perkins appeared to be a perfect match for his son. But on the final day of hospital tests, he failed to show up. Perkins left behind a letter promising he would "come through" for his son, who needed dialysis. U.S. Marshals put him on their "Most Wanted" list.
"I don't know how he could lay his head down at night, just knowing that he ran away and left me up here to die like that," Destin Perkins told CNN's Anderson Cooper after receiving news of his father's capture. "That's just one of my main questions, is why he did it and how he could do it."
Now 17, Destin Perkins received a kidney last August from an anonymous cadaver donor in California. "As of today, I'm doing fine, just fine," he said. "The kidney's working great."
Destin Perkins' mother, Angela Hammond, told CNN, "it's about time." She said she hopes Perkins can "sit and realize how he hurt his children."
Deputy U.S. Marshal Joe Chabarria, who accompanied Perkins and Howard on their flight to Los Angeles, told reporters the pair had come from the state of Colima and were "making their way back up" when they arrived in Puerto Vallarta. They were recognized while walking in the downtown area, he said.
"They knew they were being sought after," Chabarria said. He said the two "looked like they were tired. They were ready to come back."
Izgarjan, who is based in Louisville, Kentucky, told CNN the two had been working odd jobs in Mexico, never staying in one place too long. Before Puerto Vallarta, she said, they were in a town near Manzanillo.
"There's a lot of anger between me and him right now," Destin Perkins said. "I would like to see him and tell him what I think and just ask one question: Why he did it? It's kind of sad that he would run out on me like that."
At the time, he said, he was angry and depressed. "It really wasn't healthy on me at the time. I was 16 years old, and I had to worry about this."
His father's actions have hurt his entire family, he said, adding that his grandfather -- Byron Perkins' father -- has since died of cancer.
Asked if the pair should be in jail, he said, "That's where both of them deserve to be. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of their life, they both deserve to be behind bars."
CNN's Susan Candiotti contributed to this report.
kane7474 04-26-2007, 03:04 PM Kind of stupid, but when I read this story today I got chills when I saw the name of the boy's mother.....(glad they caught this SOB, too)
Kidney transplant fugitive caught in Mexico
(CNN) -- A Kentucky man who had been on the lam for more than a year after he was released from jail to donate a kidney to his son was captured in Mexico on Wednesday, a deputy U.S. Marshal said.
Byron Perkins and his girlfriend, Lee Ann Howard, were captured in Puerto Vallarta on Mexico's Pacific coast, said Deputy U.S. Marshal Dawn Izgarjan.
The pair arrived Wednesday night in Los Angeles, where they face an initial court appearance Thursday.
Perkins was released from jail without bond by a federal judge in January 2006 so he could complete testing before donating a kidney to his teenage son, Destin. At the time, he was awaiting a possible life sentence following a conviction on drug, weapon and other charges.
Perkins was not wearing a tracking ankle bracelet because doctors told the court it would have interfered with medical tests.
Doctors said Perkins appeared to be a perfect match for his son. But on the final day of hospital tests, he failed to show up. Perkins left behind a letter promising he would "come through" for his son, who needed dialysis. U.S. Marshals put him on their "Most Wanted" list.
"I don't know how he could lay his head down at night, just knowing that he ran away and left me up here to die like that," Destin Perkins told CNN's Anderson Cooper after receiving news of his father's capture. "That's just one of my main questions, is why he did it and how he could do it."
Now 17, Destin Perkins received a kidney last August from an anonymous cadaver donor in California. "As of today, I'm doing fine, just fine," he said. "The kidney's working great."
Destin Perkins' mother, Angela Hammond, told CNN, "it's about time." She said she hopes Perkins can "sit and realize how he hurt his children."
Deputy U.S. Marshal Joe Chabarria, who accompanied Perkins and Howard on their flight to Los Angeles, told reporters the pair had come from the state of Colima and were "making their way back up" when they arrived in Puerto Vallarta. They were recognized while walking in the downtown area, he said.
"They knew they were being sought after," Chabarria said. He said the two "looked like they were tired. They were ready to come back."
Izgarjan, who is based in Louisville, Kentucky, told CNN the two had been working odd jobs in Mexico, never staying in one place too long. Before Puerto Vallarta, she said, they were in a town near Manzanillo.
"There's a lot of anger between me and him right now," Destin Perkins said. "I would like to see him and tell him what I think and just ask one question: Why he did it? It's kind of sad that he would run out on me like that."
At the time, he said, he was angry and depressed. "It really wasn't healthy on me at the time. I was 16 years old, and I had to worry about this."
His father's actions have hurt his entire family, he said, adding that his grandfather -- Byron Perkins' father -- has since died of cancer.
Asked if the pair should be in jail, he said, "That's where both of them deserve to be. As far as I'm concerned, the rest of their life, they both deserve to be behind bars."
CNN's Susan Candiotti contributed to this report.
Yes, I too came up with that story awhile back when I put Angela Hammond into a search engine. It is eary
ddelta 04-30-2007, 09:45 AM Such exciting news! I do have a little bit to add...awhile back I found an article on Cheryl Kenney and to date she has not been found. Here is a quote from the article.
Okay guys i found some information about CHeryl Kenney...apparently she is still missing
This is from a 2004 article
Referring to a case that the police had been working since 1991 McCarty held up a poster with a picture of Cheryl Kenney, who has been missing since disappearing from a convenience store where she worked.
"This case is still an open investigation at the Nevada Police Department," McCarty said. "We will continue to look for her until we resolve the case."
Kenney was last seen at the Quality Convenience Store on E. Austin Boulevard,Wednesday, Feb. 27, 1991, and reportedly failed to come home from work, even though her time card said she checked out at 10 p.m.
Her car was left at the business and her husband, Walter, said there was no one there when he checked at 2:30 a.m. Kenney reported his wife missing the following morning, and although the police received tips on the missing woman, she has never been found.
That was in 2004 so the charleyproject must be wrong.
The minute i saw the picture of the guy on the right i thought that could def be the guy who was the dirty looking one. Maybe he distracted Angela while the other guy pounced? And when Rob drove past the truck the other guy was down on the floor holding her down. Just a thought.
I would hope someone at least calls or emails the detective involved in the case to let him know. I am almost positive that it is being investigated already. Trudy's case was linked to Angelas way back in the 90's, anyone who have been found guilty of one case I am sure is/has been investigated. They might not have enough to go on...but I would love to know if they are considered a prime suspect in Angela's case.
I pretty much have seen every single UM case, but Angela's is the case that stuck with me the most. How great would it be to see her case solved by the help of the people on this board. Would make my year!
Good work Kane.
kane7474 05-01-2007, 08:02 AM Such exciting news! I do have a little bit to add...awhile back I found an article on Cheryl Kenney and to date she has not been found. Here is a quote from the article.
Okay guys i found some information about CHeryl Kenney...apparently she is still missing
This is from a 2004 article
Referring to a case that the police had been working since 1991 McCarty held up a poster with a picture of Cheryl Kenney, who has been missing since disappearing from a convenience store where she worked.
"This case is still an open investigation at the Nevada Police Department," McCarty said. "We will continue to look for her until we resolve the case."
Kenney was last seen at the Quality Convenience Store on E. Austin Boulevard,Wednesday, Feb. 27, 1991, and reportedly failed to come home from work, even though her time card said she checked out at 10 p.m.
Her car was left at the business and her husband, Walter, said there was no one there when he checked at 2:30 a.m. Kenney reported his wife missing the following morning, and although the police received tips on the missing woman, she has never been found.
That was in 2004 so the charleyproject must be wrong.
The minute i saw the picture of the guy on the right i thought that could def be the guy who was the dirty looking one. Maybe he distracted Angela while the other guy pounced? And when Rob drove past the truck the other guy was down on the floor holding her down. Just a thought.
I would hope someone at least calls or emails the detective involved in the case to let him know. I am almost positive that it is being investigated already. Trudy's case was linked to Angelas way back in the 90's, anyone who have been found guilty of one case I am sure is/has been investigated. They might not have enough to go on...but I would love to know if they are considered a prime suspect in Angela's case.
I pretty much have seen every single UM case, but Angela's is the case that stuck with me the most. How great would it be to see her case solved by the help of the people on this board. Would make my year!
Good work Kane.
Im actually quite sure that Charley project has it wrong when it comes to Kenny's remains being found as I have found nothing to support that. Great find on that article by the way, where did you come up with that? I have been combing the net for any additional info on Kenney but have found nothing.
I do plan on taking what we have uncovered to both the media and the lead investigator, before I do though Id like to find a few more pieces to the puzzle. Im trying to find more transcipts from the trials of Rush and Chaney. I would also like to find transcripts from when Rush was first questioned by police, I think the identities of the other persons involved with Trudy Darby's murder may lie in those police reports. These are the guys that investigators need to go after, both Chaney and Rush are serving life sentences and have no reason to talk. Who knows what these others might reveal to stay out of prison or get a lighter sentence.
When you speak of your theory about the dirtry guy distracting her, I must say that is the exact scenrio I came up with. It really does explain alot of the unanswered questions. I can see Chaney fooling around in front of the truck then walking over to her then walking back as she turns back to the payphone Rush could have grabbed her, she screams, Chaney walks back to the phone makes the comment "I didnt need to use the phone anyway" then hangs up the reciever. It also makes perfect sense that one of them was trying to contain her while the other one drove. She could have thrown the truck out of gear, she could have jerked the steering wheel causing the driver to wreck, she could have even opened the door and jumped out, unless of course there was someone else controlling her while the other drove. Just a thought
LooksLikeCRicci 05-01-2007, 09:04 PM While this is one of the FEW cases where Kane7474 and I rest on the same side... I do have to say one thing. If this was the case (and I'm not saying that it wasn't) but wouldn't Rob have seen the second perp?
Just curious.
NOTANEWSBROADCAST 05-02-2007, 01:50 AM Its True - Rob Described The 1 Person He Saw - But That Doesn't Mean That That 1 Person Behind The Wheel Did Not Drive Off To A Location Where Another Individual Was Waiting There To Do What They Were Going To Do To Angela - Remember In The Recreation Of What Happened To Trudy Darby She Described Only 1 Suspicious Character Outside Her Store And I Guess To Our Knowledge Now There Were More Than 1 Involved In The Crime - But In The Actual Abduction It Is Very Possible For It To Have Been The 1 .
kadrmas15 05-02-2007, 02:16 AM Well I think we all need to take a breather and stop even trying to accuse Rob Shaffer of any wrong doing. But that is just my opinion. I mean if you guys want to go on a witchunt and get Shaffer arrested for a crime he didnt do that is up to you. However there is no evidence a 2nd person was involved in either Darby's killing or Hammond's, unless you know something I dont of course.
LooksLikeCRicci 05-02-2007, 04:22 AM Whoa! I wasn't trying to accuse Rob Schafer at ALL. I've very consistently stated that I felt he was innocent of any wrongdoing in Angela's disappearance. I was simply questioning a possible "break" that Kane7474 may have made in the case. That's all. I wasn't trying to go after Rob. In my mind, he was cleared in the weeks after Angela disappeared.
kane7474 05-02-2007, 10:40 PM Well I think we all need to take a breather and stop even trying to accuse Rob Shaffer of any wrong doing. But that is just my opinion. I mean if you guys want to go on a witchunt and get Shaffer arrested for a crime he didnt do that is up to you. However there is no evidence a 2nd person was involved in either Darby's killing or Hammond's, unless you know something I dont of course.
What is the matter with you? This is the second time you have made some off the wall senseless comment about people accusing Rob. Will you do us all a favor and read through the posts so you will have some clue as to what you are talking about.
kane7474 05-02-2007, 10:45 PM While this is one of the FEW cases where Kane7474 and I rest on the same side... I do have to say one thing. If this was the case (and I'm not saying that it wasn't) but wouldn't Rob have seen the second perp?
Just curious.
Remember the only shot Rob had at seeing the man in the truck was as he was passing him at a high rate of speed. It is very possible that the other person was laying in the seat and trying to hold Angela down. As someone else stated on here, Trudy Darby only saw one suspicious person but we know there were atleast two involved with her murder.
kane7474 05-02-2007, 10:48 PM Well I think we all need to take a breather and stop even trying to accuse Rob Shaffer of any wrong doing. But that is just my opinion. I mean if you guys want to go on a witchunt and get Shaffer arrested for a crime he didnt do that is up to you. However there is no evidence a 2nd person was involved in either Darby's killing or Hammond's, unless you know something I dont of course.
Oh and also you say there is no evidence that a 2nd person was involved with Darby's murder? Why then are there two men serving life sentences for her Kidnapping, rape and murder? Please read through the posts before you comment again.
NOTANEWSBROADCAST 05-03-2007, 12:50 AM Hey Kane - That Was Me Who Mentioned That Trudy Darby Only Saw One Person Outside Her Store.
kadrmas15 05-03-2007, 01:30 AM Kane, I will do whatever I want okay? CRicci, sorry for the misunderstanding, I do apologize. As for Kane, well I am sorry I ticked you off, that was not my intent however I did read through your posts. I apologize for flying off the handle but please dont order me around okay?
LooksLikeCRicci 05-03-2007, 05:45 AM Kadrmas15: No problem. It happens. I just wanted to let you know that I'm with you: Rob Schafer is obviously innocent. :)
kane7474 05-03-2007, 01:11 PM [QUOTE=NOTANEWSBROADCAST]Hey Kane - That Was Me Who Mentioned That Trudy Darby Only Saw One Person Outside Her Store.[/QUOTE
Yes, and its a good point. It shows that one person may have been hiding out while the other prepared for the abduction.
kane7474 05-03-2007, 01:14 PM Kane, I will do whatever I want okay? CRicci, sorry for the misunderstanding, I do apologize. As for Kane, well I am sorry I ticked you off, that was not my intent however I did read through your posts. I apologize for flying off the handle but please dont order me around okay?
Im not ordering you around. It was just frustrating that in two seperate posts you are saying that we are accusing Rob. It gave the impression that you were not reading what we were actually saying as you seemed to be way out in left field.
Proudmama 08-05-2007, 11:11 PM I've read all eleven pages of yalls detective work. I have always been fascinated by this case ever since I first saw it. Everytime I see a fish on the back of a truck I think of this case and say a quick prayer for her family. I went on the internet today to specifically look up this case to find if there have been any new leads as I have done a few other times. I came across this website and read all you guys posts. Anything NEW? Surely somebody else (police) have investigated the possibility of those guys doing it!!??? But you never know?!? Anyway if you guys have done anything else like notified police, media, found anything else out on the internet I would love to hear. I always thought this would make a very scarey movie! I mean imagine the boyfriend, seeing her in the truck and not being able to get to her. He must replay that over and over in his mind. Ugh! This was always the creepiest case for me and I have never forgotten it. It is interesting to see that I am not the only one. Update me if possible. Thanks
LooksLikeCRicci 08-09-2007, 03:27 AM Hey Proudmama,
Unfortunately, there have been no updates in Angela's case. I did hear that her boyfriend Rob did eventually get married. That was good, at least for me, to hear, as I'm sure Angela would have wanted him to move on and be happy if they couldn't have been together.
Metaph0ric 05-20-2008, 05:46 PM So I came across this thread, and I actually lived in Clinton, Missouri. Where this girl was abducted from. And I knew her brother, because I went to school with him. I just wanted to let any one know that was interested in this case still, that they have still not found this girl. There was never any effort put out to really find her. You can still however see the missing posters placed through out the town sometimes. There's not that many though. I think most have forgotten about it.
Drakken 05-21-2008, 12:11 PM So I came across this thread, and I actually lived in Clinton, Missouri. Where this girl was abducted from. And I knew her brother, because I went to school with him. I just wanted to let any one know that was interested in this case still, that they have still not found this girl. There was never any effort put out to really find her. You can still however see the missing posters placed through out the town sometimes. There's not that many though. I think most have forgotten about it.
Thank you very much for posting here. She is certainly not forgotten here. :)
You say that there was not really a real effort from the police to find her. Could you tell us more about it? We already know that there are problems of communication between the various county polices in the area, but please inform us about how the investigation was handled if you know more about it.
OhReally 10-10-2008, 05:05 PM So I came across this thread, and I actually lived in Clinton, Missouri. Where this girl was abducted from. And I knew her brother, because I went to school with him. I just wanted to let any one know that was interested in this case still, that they have still not found this girl. There was never any effort put out to really find her. You can still however see the missing posters placed through out the town sometimes. There's not that many though. I think most have forgotten about it.
I challenge Metaphoric's statement. If he "knows" Angie's brother, then he would know that there was a hell of a lot of effort put forth to find her!! And no, she is not forgotten, at all. He would also know that as of this date, the Police department is still ACTIVELY working this case and following leads. This is not a "cold case"!! The investigation into her disappearance will continue until there are no more leads to be followed. As far as problems regarding communications between various police agencies in the area.... Welcome to rural Missouri in 1991. It was not just an issue in this area, but rather an issue in nearly all rural areas. 17 years ago police agencies were not as well equipped with technology and manpower as they are today. The officers at that time did all that they knew to do and all that they could do. Bottom line!!
kane7474 10-10-2008, 05:12 PM I challenge Metaphoric's statement. If he "knows" Angie's brother, then he would know that there was a hell of a lot of effort put forth to find her!! And no, she is not forgotten, at all. He would also know that as of this date, the Police department is still ACTIVELY working this case and following leads. This is not a "cold case"!! The investigation into her disappearance will continue until there are no more leads to be followed. As far as problems regarding communications between various police agencies in the area.... Welcome to rural Missouri in 1991. It was not just an issue in this area, but rather an issue in nearly all rural areas. 17 years ago police agencies were not as well equipped with technology and manpower as they are today. The officers at that time did all that they knew to do and all that they could do. Bottom line!!
So why don't investigators take a long hard look at Marvin Chaney and Jess Rush as suspects? I beileve that the prosecutors already know these men were involved in her dissapearance but for some reason don't seem to willing to pursue it. If your not clear on what Im talking about just go back and read through this thread. I think there is more then enough evidence to link the men convicted of Trudy Darby's murder to Angela. Read through this http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=217153&page=3
OhReally 10-11-2008, 03:50 AM I am EXTREMELY familiar with the case. Trust me when I say this. Have you ever taken a good hard look at the case that Chaney and Rush are in prison on (Darby)? I encourage you to do so. I don't mean just read what's on the internet. The case is closed and the case is (should be) available to the public. I don't know what your location is, but drive to the Camden County, MO P.A.'s office and ask to read the file (on Rush). It's quite interesting. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I get a little offended when someone says that "There was never any effort put out to really find her." This is far from the truth. In regards to Rush and Chaney..... The only "real" evidence that convicted the two men was hearsay and some letters that Rush wrote to "Ed Thomas". Ed Thomas is an alias for Ed Raifsnider (This is in the case file). HEre's a little link about Mr. Raifsnider http://www.amw.com/fugitives/capture.cfm?id=27558 Not exactly the guy to be trusted... As I said, It's very interesting to say the least.
kane7474 10-14-2008, 12:19 AM I am EXTREMELY familiar with the case. Trust me when I say this. Have you ever taken a good hard look at the case that Chaney and Rush are in prison on (Darby)? I encourage you to do so. I don't mean just read what's on the internet. The case is closed and the case is (should be) available to the public. I don't know what your location is, but drive to the Camden County, MO P.A.'s office and ask to read the file (on Rush). It's quite interesting. I'm not trying to ruffle any feathers, but I get a little offended when someone says that This is far from the truth. In regards to Rush and Chaney..... The only "real" evidence that convicted the two men was hearsay and some letters that Rush wrote to "Ed Thomas". Ed Thomas is an alias for Ed Raifsnider (This is in the case file). HEre's a little link about Mr. Raifsnider http://www.amw.com/fugitives/capture.cfm?id=27558 Not exactly the guy to be trusted... As I said, It's very interesting to say the least.
Actually, the letters were not what convicted Jess Rush. It was his confession and his descption of the events that made the case. In the letters he talked about killing other women, yet no other charges were ever brought. In the police report it says he implicated that 3 people took part in Darby's murder yet only him and his half brother were charged.
Also why did Chaney plead guilty?
Ed Thomas or Raifsnider was not the only person that Rush bragged to either. Thomas did turn over hand written letters he had recieved in prison from Rush. Im also curious how you know that Thomas and Raifsnider are the same person? Rush had already been jailed and admitted to the crime to police as well as having atleast three people state he had bragged about the murder to them before ever speaking to Thomas. See the following quote
Armed with these reports, Trooper Mays had Defendant arrested. After his arrest, Defendant was interviewed by three officers. One of the officers was a juvenile officer because at the time of the murder, Defendant would have been fifteen years old. At the beginning of the interview, Defendant denied his involvement in this crime. However, later during the interview, Defendant changed his mind and revealed that he was present during the commission of the crimes. Defendant also implicated his brother and one other individual.
It appears that Defendant, together with his brother and at least one other person, arrived at the K & D convenience store on January 19, 1991, with the purpose of robbing and abducting Trudy Darby.
Rush admitted to the crime long before writing the letters.
Here's something else you might find interesting, this next quote comes from Jess Rush's attorney during closing statements in his trail. It seems his attorney is admitting his clients guilt to me.
The thing I stress to you is that this was a 15 year-old child when this awful thing happened. What does that do to the mind of a child and how does he deal with it? Those of you who have children know that the worst situation, the harder a child tries to rationalize it in his own mind, he needs an excuse or a reason or a justification. At that age, he wants also to prove what a big man he is . . . . But if he tells someone, he has to bluff it out and pretend it was a terrific thing, cool; or else he has to tell it as though he was merely an observer. But that latter option isn't macho, isn't cool; it isn't the way he tells it unless he's talking to someone he perceives to be an understanding person or one in a position of authority.
And the following is straight from Court Records on Marvin Chaney (who pled guilty) showing that prosecutors had physical evidence linking him to three other murders
Due to the nature of Movant's claims, there is no need to recite the facts relating to his underlying conviction.
FN3. Mr. Berrigan testified the State had previously approached him with physical evidence that Movant had been involved in the murders of several other women. Mr. Berrigan further testified the State's previous plea offers required Movant "to confess to the murders of these [three] other women . . ." in order to avoid the death penalty. The plea offer made the evening prior to trial was the first plea offer that did not reference these other possible crimes.
Now if you are close to the case as you have stated please tell me who these other three women are? Why was he not charged with their murders and allowed to only plead guilty to Darby's murder only?
Why were there no other arrest made in the Darby case when Rush stated to Police there were atleast three people involved?
You have Rush talking about killing other woman in his letters, you have prosecutors that claim to have physical evidence linking Chaney to other murders. This was happening in the same time frame and the same general area of Angela Hammond's dissapearance. This is why I think they should be looked at as suspects.
OhReally 10-14-2008, 12:45 PM Actually, the letters were not what convicted Jess Rush. It was his confession and his descption of the events that made the case.
Yes, I stand corrected. His "admission" to the Police did not help him at all, however the letters were presented in to evidence and definitely helped to "seal the deal". Ever read about false confessions? Just curious. The confession is seriously flawed. Ever heard of leading confessions? Ever heard of guarantees being made to someone to coerce them to confess?
In the police report it says he implicated that 3 people took part in Darby's murder yet only him and his half brother were charged.
Very good point, I wonder why the third person wasn't convicted. Rush does implicate a third person in his confession, and gives his name, but this person is never charged. Here's the name of the others involved I just wish my brother would have done like I said at the barn and burnt the b*tch up but that p*ssy a*s cheevers and parel desided to take the bi*ch to a f*ckin river instead. I was to f*cked up to argue with em all I wanted to do was f*ck the bit*h then shoot her in the head to watch her brains come out. Sounds cool huh? . . . if the b*tch would have not moved in the trunk at the river my brother wouldn't of had to shoot her in the head again just the have the cops find a shell the stupid mother f*cker the only smart thing we did was have marshels brother greg burn the barn other wise the mother f*ckers would have a lot more on us. im glad they don't know every thing else we did or i'd be on death row . . . . http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=mo&vol=/appeals/071997/&invol=11107_97
At least one of these men was named in Rush's confession to the police. Why wasn't he charged?? (If Rush's confession and these letters were so believable)
Also why did Chaney plead guilty?
Chaney entered an Alford plea. It appears that you are pretty familiar with the legal system, so I won't go into the details of an Alford plea. Possible needle in the arm or life in prison...... which would you rather have??
Ed Thomas or Raifsnider was not the only person that Rush bragged to either. Thomas did turn over hand written letters he had recieved in prison from Rush. Im also curious how you know that Thomas and Raifsnider are the same person? Rush had already been jailed and admitted to the crime to police as well as having atleast three people state he had bragged about the murder to them before ever speaking to Thomas.
You're right, Thomas is not the only person he bragged to. If you know a guy, who has told the same story to 10 different people, and each version of the story told is drastically different, would you believe this guy?? Just curious. Trust the fact that I know Thomas and Raifsnider are the same person. Like I said, it's in the case file. It's also important to understand that Thomas got something out of this deal, he got released from prison.
Here's something else you might find interesting, this next quote comes from Jess Rush's attorney during closing statements in his trail. It seems his attorney is admitting his clients guilt to me.
I won't even begin to comment on the competency of Rush's attorney. Is he admitting his clients guilt? Maybe, I don't know. The evidence against his client seems to be overwhelming, however when looked at under a microscope holes the size of Texas can be punched in it.
And the following is straight from Court Records on Marvin Chaney (who pled guilty) showing that prosecutors had physical evidence linking him to three other murders
The physical evidence referred to in this entry refers to the letters that Rush wrote. There is ABSOLUTELY no other physical evidence that can be directly connected to Chaney or Rush and ANY of the victims. None. Period. Again, Chaney pled guilty to avoid the possibility of the death penalty.
Now if you are close to the case as you have stated please tell me who these other three women are? Why was he not charged with their murders and allowed to only plead guilty to Darby's murder only?
Why were there no other arrest made in the Darby case when Rush stated to Police there were atleast three people involved?
You have Rush talking about killing other woman in his letters, you have prosecutors that claim to have physical evidence linking Chaney to other murders. This was happening in the same time frame and the same general area of Angela Hammond's dissapearance. This is why I think they should be looked at as suspects.
Yes, I am very close to the case. Who are the other women? Your guess is as good as mine. They are never mentioned in the letters by name. The excerpts that you read on legal websites concerning Chaney and Rush's appeals are just that, “EXCERPTS”. When the letters are read word for word, they are less than believable. The details that Rush attempts to provide about the homicides do not match the case FACTS. For instance, if a woman was kidnapped from a convenience store, but NOTHING was taken from the store, but I later tell you that I kidnapped the woman and I tell you where you can find the cash register that I stole from the store, what would be your opinion regarding my involvement? I can pull bits and pieces out of just about any text and make it seem really terrible. But when the entire context of the text is read, it may only be a nursery rhyme. Catch my drift? Another point, lets say you and I are buddies and I write you letters occasionally. In each of these letters (all 13 of them within a few months) all I ever talk about is how tough I was in the 6th grade and how I was always beating people up. And each time I talked about my violent escapades the stories were vague and inconsistent. What would your opinion be of me and my stories. The question of why no other arrests were made in the Darby case is a great question, one that we will probably never know the answer to. We can speculate all day long, but we will never know exactly why.
I respect the fact that you have thoroughly investigated this/these cases and you bring up some very valid points. However, the facts go much deeper than anything you can find on the Internet. If you were presented with the entire Darby case file, I'm sure that you would see some serious issues. It is my absolute hope that the person responsible for the abduction of Angela Hammond is found and brought to justice and that the body of Angie can be found.
kane7474 10-15-2008, 10:45 AM Yes, I stand corrected. His "admission" to the Police did not help him at all, however the letters were presented in to evidence and definitely helped to "seal the deal". Ever read about false confessions? Just curious. The confession is seriously flawed. Ever heard of leading confessions? Ever heard of guarantees being made to someone to coerce them to confess?
Very good point, I wonder why the third person wasn't convicted. Rush does implicate a third person in his confession, and gives his name, but this person is never charged. Here's the name of the others involved http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=mo&vol=/appeals/071997/&invol=11107_97
At least one of these men was named in Rush's confession to the police. Why wasn't he charged?? (If Rush's confession and these letters were so believable)
Chaney entered an Alford plea. It appears that you are pretty familiar with the legal system, so I won't go into the details of an Alford plea. Possible needle in the arm or life in prison...... which would you rather have??
You're right, Thomas is not the only person he bragged to. If you know a guy, who has told the same story to 10 different people, and each version of the story told is drastically different, would you believe this guy?? Just curious. Trust the fact that I know Thomas and Raifsnider are the same person. Like I said, it's in the case file. It's also important to understand that Thomas got something out of this deal, he got released from prison.
I won't even begin to comment on the competency of Rush's attorney. Is he admitting his clients guilt? Maybe, I don't know. The evidence against his client seems to be overwhelming, however when looked at under a microscope holes the size of Texas can be punched in it.
The physical evidence referred to in this entry refers to the letters that Rush wrote. There is ABSOLUTELY no other physical evidence that can be directly connected to Chaney or Rush and ANY of the victims. None. Period. Again, Chaney pled guilty to avoid the possibility of the death penalty.
Yes, I am very close to the case. Who are the other women? Your guess is as good as mine. They are never mentioned in the letters by name. The excerpts that you read on legal websites concerning Chaney and Rush's appeals are just that, “EXCERPTS”. When the letters are read word for word, they are less than believable. The details that Rush attempts to provide about the homicides do not match the case FACTS. For instance, if a woman was kidnapped from a convenience store, but NOTHING was taken from the store, but I later tell you that I kidnapped the woman and I tell you where you can find the cash register that I stole from the store, what would be your opinion regarding my involvement? I can pull bits and pieces out of just about any text and make it seem really terrible. But when the entire context of the text is read, it may only be a nursery rhyme. Catch my drift? Another point, lets say you and I are buddies and I write you letters occasionally. In each of these letters (all 13 of them within a few months) all I ever talk about is how tough I was in the 6th grade and how I was always beating people up. And each time I talked about my violent escapades the stories were vague and inconsistent. What would your opinion be of me and my stories. The question of why no other arrests were made in the Darby case is a great question, one that we will probably never know the answer to. We can speculate all day long, but we will never know exactly why.
I respect the fact that you have thoroughly investigated this/these cases and you bring up some very valid points. However, the facts go much deeper than anything you can find on the Internet. If you were presented with the entire Darby case file, I'm sure that you would see some serious issues. It is my absolute hope that the person responsible for the abduction of Angela Hammond is found and brought to justice and that the body of Angie can be found.
I understand what your saying about seeing the actual entire case file and that is something I plan to do in this case. The exceprts and information that I have read is simply all I have to go on here. There is no doubt that our criminal justice system is not perfect and people are railroaded all the time.
I just can't phathom though if these guys were innocent and there was not one shred of physical evidence linking them to the crime why their lawyers would not exploit that.
I mean if Im Chaney's attorney and the only evidence against my client are some off the wall inconsistent statements by a juvenile delinquent, then I would say Im going to trial. I would put Rush on the witness stand and see what he changed his story to then. Again with no physical evidence and no eye witness accounts or DNA I can't imagine a jury convicting him. But who knows.
As far as Rush is concerned why would his attorney present no evidence to his clients innocence and then basically admit he took part in the murder in closing statements? Why not put him on the stand and let him tell the jury that he was just trying to be cool by bragging about taking part in a murder? I realize that he may not have been able to afford much of an attorney but come on, a student in their first year of law school could have done better than this.
It's also hard to imagine that Rush would take the time to learn detailed facts about a murder/rape/abduction and then go around telling people that he took part in it so that he could appear macho or cool.
I would also like to know if it is true that Darby was raped, was there any tissue or DNA samples taken? Was Chaney's vehicles checked for hair, blood or human fiber belonging to Darby? Also are you telling me that the only physical evidence linking Chaney to three other murders were the letters written by Rush? When I hear the words "physical evidence" Im thinking something much more credible then letters written in prison. Again though in the excerpts I have read there is no mention as to what the evidence is. Also in the excepts, Rush never said they killed three other women he just said "other bitches". Again though maybe if you see the letters in full the exact number is mentioned.
Something else here too, if prosecutors just wanted to pin this murder on these men to get it solved and off their desks, why not charge them with Hammond and Kenney's murders also? Most everyone beileved the three were all related somehow so why not pin those on them too. Why not atleast investigate them for it?
One other thing Id like to ask of you and being close to this case you might be able to answer.
What was the first reaction by law enforcement directly after Angela was kidnapped? Did they get out an APB, did they immediatley send officers on the chase, did they alert neighboring counties and cities, did the highway patrol get involved quickly? What was the intial reaction when Rob showed up at the police station? From what I have been able to gather it just sounds like the next day they sent search teams out to find a body. Which tells me that at least in the very beginning they thought Rob was lying and may have let the real killer get away while focusing on Rob. You have any thoughts on that?
Nurse1187 11-17-2008, 08:18 PM Hello everyone,
My name is Sara and I live very close to Clinton, Mo. At the time of Angela's abduction my sister Teresa was working at Circle K that was the name of the convenience store she was at when taken. Upon investigation, the investigators and police told my sister that they though the abductor may have been after her. My sister and Angela were nearly identical from the backside and my sister was working the night of her abduction. Their hair and body shape exactly the same. This case hits very close to home because of this. I do remember in 04' when they had found the remains (bones) and tried to follow up on it but never heard anything else until finding this blog today. I think it is great how you all keep an interest in Angela. My sister spoke to her often, she was a regular Circle K customer. When they found the bones several years ago my sister was the first person I called. It is scary to think what could have happened. But, after further investigation (from what I understand) there were other motives and that the original theory that it was actually my sister he was after was forgotten. My family mentions Angela every once in a while. She is missed and we never lose hope that some day her dissappearance will be solved.
crystaldawn 11-17-2008, 09:23 PM Hello everyone,
My name is Sara and I live very close to Clinton, Mo. At the time of Angela's abduction my sister Teresa was working at Circle K that was the name of the convenience store she was at when taken. Upon investigation, the investigators and police told my sister that they though the abductor may have been after her. My sister and Angela were nearly identical from the backside and my sister was working the night of her abduction. Their hair and body shape exactly the same. This case hits very close to home because of this. I do remember in 04' when they had found the remains (bones) and tried to follow up on it but never heard anything else until finding this blog today. I think it is great how you all keep an interest in Angela. My sister spoke to her often, she was a regular Circle K customer. When they found the bones several years ago my sister was the first person I called. It is scary to think what could have happened. But, after further investigation (from what I understand) there were other motives and that the original theory that it was actually my sister he was after was forgotten. My family mentions Angela every once in a while. She is missed and we never lose hope that some day her dissappearance will be solved.
Thanks for posting! Very interesting that Angela could have been mistaken for your sister. Does your sister remember anyone matching the abductor's description (or with the fish decal on the back window of his pickup truck) hanging around the store when she worked? Also I'm curious what you mean by "when the bones were found". My understanding is Angela's remains have never been found as she is still listed on the missing persons websites. Whose remains were you speaking of?
Nurse1187 11-18-2008, 07:51 PM Since my sister was working that night she saw the pickup truck circle several times. But, what people need to understand is that Clinton is a very small "close" town. You know the kind. Where everyone smiles and waves at each other. I come from an even smaller town close to Clinton. My sister didn't think much of it because poeple cruise the square every weekend and she thought it was just someone coming off of the square. There was someone else working with my sister that night. But I don't remember who exactly. My sister had went back into the freezer and was doing an inventory when Angela was actually taken. You know there have been so many rumors and mis-information. For example, I read on here earlier where someone had said the store was a "Safeway" and is now a car lot. The store was never a car lot or Safeway and it is still a convenient store now called "Everydays". It just makes me wonder where people get their info. As for the bones...I believe it was in 04 maybe 06 there had been some bones found here in MO I would have to look up exactly where. But, investigators thought they may have been Angela's. After DNA testing, there was no positive match. It was very disapointing. I have not heard much else about it until I found this site. I like many, thought that most had forgotten about Angela. Which is sad, but I think this is really remarkable how so many still keep and interest in her. I should call my sister. I could ask for some more details. It has been a while since we have talked about it. I'll make sure to keep checking up and post what she has to say.
Nurse1187 11-18-2008, 11:16 PM Adding on to my previous post....
I talked to my sister shortly after posting and like I said it had been quite a while since we had talked about it. Angela was not abducted in front of Circle K, it was half a block down (easily seen from Circle K). Also, apparently it was another convenient store which is now Jim Raysik's. Sorry for the mis-information. Like I said before there have been so many rumors and the facts have been so distorted that when you don't talk about it often you can forget exactly what took place. Angela and Rob had been in the store( Circle K) while my sister was working earlier that night. The phone booth WAS in front of what is now Jim RaysiK's car dealership. My sister said she still thinks about Angela very often and had no idea anyone was still interested in the case, but was very pleased to hear that there are some that still are.
dawnfla6aa2 11-19-2008, 12:44 AM I have been haunted by this case for several years. I'm not sure why, out of all of the UM cases, this one stood out the most. I have also over the years looked for updates. I hope that some day there is closure to this case so her family can rest.
Thank you to everyone who's given thier insight. This has been very interesting for me to read.
MegtheEgg86 11-23-2008, 02:00 AM Does anyone know why Cheryl Ann Kenney does not have a Charley Project or doenetwork page? I have been able to find virtually nothing on her or her disappeance, except what was given in the Angela Hammond segment. I was always under the impression she was never found after her abduction.
EDIT: Dummy me. Wasn't reading carefully enough; saw that Kenney's remains were found in 2000. Sorry, guys. :rolleyes:
TheCars1986 11-23-2008, 02:37 AM I'm pretty sure, it's nothing but pure speculation, but people theorize that the same people responsible for the murder of Trudy Darby also were responsible for Angela Hammond and Cheryl Kenney. Other than a few blurbs about her disappearing on some websites I also can't find anything out about her. Some reports list her as twenty and others list her as thirty so we know how reliable the media can be. I'm pretty sure she was never found because there's a myspace page for Angela Hammond and it doesn't mention anything about Cheryl being found or any sort of update for the two.
chet_58 11-27-2008, 05:02 AM You would think this case would have gotten somewhere.... How can almost 20 years passed and no one what so ever has came forward???? I drive through Clinton atleast once a month and when I go by Raysick motors it creaps me out.... Where exactly were those pay phones located? What is Rob Shafer doing at this moment??? He still in the area
CaseFiles 12-26-2008, 12:24 PM I just found this board yesterday and this thread has been quite an interesting read. I am a Nevada native, and I remember vaguely the Kenney disappearance (my job at the time kept me out of town more than I was home) and the discovery of the skeleton. I will check with some people I know here that work for the PD and the paper and see if I can get more details on this case.
GoldenDelicious 01-02-2009, 11:25 AM Where exactly were those pay phones located? What is Rob Shafer doing at this moment??? He still in the area
I don't know what became of Rob Shafer, but the phone booths were right at the edge of the parking lot next to the intersection of 2nd and Jefferson. The booths were lined up facing Jefferson Street, not 2nd.
tangledweb 01-19-2009, 07:42 PM Jess Rush, in his appeal, mentions a Greg Marshel, who is listed at MissouriCase.net as having lived at 623 Montclair, Apt 3A, Springfield, MO in July (and August), 1991, just 4 miles from the Springfield 3 Missing Women's address at 1717 E. Delmar St., Springfield, MO. He lived in the area of the teenage grave robbers who knew Stacey McCall and Suzie Streeter and they all may have known each other in high school.
Does anyone know whether Greg Marshel went to high school with Suzie or Stacey in Springfield, MO and whether he had ties to Macks Creek, MO?
Also, Jess states that other murder evidence was destroyed in the barn fire.
Does anyone close to the case know whether police investigator's sifted through the ruins for evidence of other crimes, specifically evidence related to the reference in Marvin Cheney's appeal regarding his implication in the similar murders of three other women?
(Since I don't know exactly when the barn fire was AFTER the abduction, rape and murder of Trudy Darby, I am unable to determine whether evidence (skeletons) from the 3MW case was also destroyed in that fire or is still there waiting to be discovered. I'm assuming that a barn fire wouldn't cremate 3 skeletons. I'm also assuming that Cheney and Rush weren't arrested until several years later, after Trudy Darby was murdered and so wouldn't have had Greg Marshel burn the barn until that time, which would have also been after the disappearance of the Springfield 3MW.)
Does anyone know the full names of Cheever's or Parel?
What was the race of the defendants, black or white?
Thanks for any help!
tangledweb
MissouriCase.net:
MARSHEL , GREG , Defendant
623 E MONTCLAIR
APT 3A
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65807
07/25/1991
(Defendant referred to is Jess Rush, co-defendant of Marvin Chaney)
It is noteworthy that in two of Defendant's letters he expressly admitted his direct involvement in the murder of Trudy Darby. In one letter he wrote:
I just wish my brother would have done like I said at the barn and burnt the bitch up but that ***** ass cheevers and parel desided to take the bitch to a ****in river instead. I was to ****ed up to argue with em all I wanted to do was **** the bitch then shoot her in the head to watch her brains come out. Sounds cool huh? . . . if the bitch would have not moved in the trunk at the river my brother wouldn't of had to shoot her in the head again just the have the cops find a shell the stupid mother ****er the only smart thing we did was have marshels brother greg burn the barn other wise the mother ****ers would have a lot more on us. im glad they don't know every thing else we did or i'd be on death row . . .
http://www.courts.mo.gov/file/Opinion_SD21014.rtf
michael morano 01-21-2009, 06:52 PM hi guys my name is mike morano im 18 years old i live in the bronx new york and when i was a little boy i watched unsolved mysteries alot robert stack always gave me the creeps...but there was one case that haunts me to this day and weirdly will haunt me forever its the one of angela hammond and just typing this is giving me chills i watched that case and it gave me nightmares as a child but now im 18 years old turning 19 in may and for some reason i feel like i must know what happened..i googled about angela hammond and it brought me to this page and i was happy to see all of you great people that still care about this poor girl and her family...as i read your statements it seems that you people are very smart and know alot about the case,i know about the case alot as well i know she was 4 months pregnant and i know that her boyfriend at the time rob schafer gave us a skeptical story at first but i believe him and his story and i pray for that family everyday...most 18 year old new yorkers care about drinking and partying but not me im a kid that has a heart and i have morals and i do care about innocent people and this is the most heartbreaking thing that i have ever come across...its good to see people care i wish i would become a detective in clinton and solve this case myself...please reply to me and give me and little bit of info that u guys have..thanks guys and lets say a prayer for this poor girl that was taken from a family and a boyfriend that loved her
TracyLynnS 01-21-2009, 07:29 PM Hi Michael, I'm glad you found us here! Welcome. :)
Angela's case has always been close to my heart too. I was 24 years old when Angela was abducted.... just a few years older than her.
I saw the original UM episode about her case and it's bothered me all these years. And to think that you saw reruns of it as a child, and here you are too, a new generation, trying to help solve her abduction.
That's wonderful! It just goes to show you that UM needs to stay on the air. These victims stories are still relevent. They deserve to not be forgotten, and most of all, they deserve justice.
Arnold_OldSchool 01-22-2009, 02:13 PM this was just on again, and even though I've seen it tons, it still haunts me...
kane7474 01-26-2009, 05:24 PM Jess Rush, in his appeal, mentions a Greg Marshel, who is listed at MissouriCase.net as having lived at 623 Montclair, Apt 3A, Springfield, MO in July (and August), 1991, just 4 miles from the Springfield 3 Missing Women's address at 1717 E. Delmar St., Springfield, MO. He lived in the area of the teenage grave robbers who knew Stacey McCall and Suzie Streeter and they all may have known each other in high school.
Does anyone know whether Greg Marshel went to high school with Suzie or Stacey in Springfield, MO and whether he had ties to Macks Creek, MO?
Also, Jess states that other murder evidence was destroyed in the barn fire.
Does anyone close to the case know whether police investigator's sifted through the ruins for evidence of other crimes, specifically evidence related to the reference in Marvin Cheney's appeal regarding his implication in the similar murders of three other women?
(Since I don't know exactly when the barn fire was AFTER the abduction, rape and murder of Trudy Darby, I am unable to determine whether evidence (skeletons) from the 3MW case was also destroyed in that fire or is still there waiting to be discovered. I'm assuming that a barn fire wouldn't cremate 3 skeletons. I'm also assuming that Cheney and Rush weren't arrested until several years later, after Trudy Darby was murdered and so wouldn't have had Greg Marshel burn the barn until that time, which would have also been after the disappearance of the Springfield 3MW.)
Does anyone know the full names of Cheever's or Parel?
What was the race of the defendants, black or white?
Thanks for any help!
tangledweb
MissouriCase.net:
MARSHEL , GREG , Defendant
623 E MONTCLAIR
APT 3A
SPRINGFIELD, MO 65807
07/25/1991
(Defendant referred to is Jess Rush, co-defendant of Marvin Chaney)
http://www.courts.mo.gov/file/Opinion_SD21014.rtf
Im glad someone else has brought this up. I can't understand why the other people named in Jess Rush's letters were never brought to trial. If the letters were enough to get Marvin Chaney convicted then why not the others? There are pictures on one of these threads of both Chaney and Rush and both are white males.
No one knows the first names of Cheevers or Parel, you would think the investigators would have looked into who these men are a little more. It would seem there are several men that took part in a gruesome rape and murder that are walking around free to this day.
I don't know when the barn was burned but would guess it was atleast two years before police caught up to Cheney and Rush so there would really be no evidence to sift through.
I have stated many times that I think the murder of Darby along with the dissapearences of Hammond, Kenney and the Springfield three are all related. I think the men in prison for Darby's murder where involved in all of them and investigators need to focus on them until the truth comes out.
TracyLynnS 01-27-2009, 06:22 PM I'm not saying these cases are actually related, but there are some interesting similarities.
Angela Hammond
Abducted 1991
State Missouri
Age 20
Time of Abduction 11:15 PM
Suspect Vehicle Old Green Pickup Truck with unusual full back window fish decal
Tara Calico
Abducted 1988 (3 years before Angela Hammond)
State New Mexico
Age 19
Time of Abduction doenetwork.org says both "before noon" and "11:45 PM" (a 12 hour time difference, meaning she was either seen being followed by the suspect truck in the late morning or the late evening, one of those times given at doenetwork.org must be a mistake (unless there are conflicting witness reports)
Suspect Vehicle UM reenactment shows Old Green Pickup Truck with white home made camper top, doenetwork says 1953 Ford pick up, dirty white or light gray, with home made white shell
crazytatsink 02-28-2009, 07:18 PM I am the son of Cheryl Ann Kenney, i was 10 years old at the time of the disappearence. Today mark 18 years for the disppearence. Please ask questions i would love to let everyone know the real truth behind the state of missouri and how they REALLY handle these cases!
crazytatsink 02-28-2009, 07:20 PM Does anyone know why Cheryl Ann Kenney does not have a Charley Project or doenetwork page? I have been able to find virtually nothing on her or her disappeance, except what was given in the Angela Hammond segment. I was always under the impression she was never found after her abduction.
EDIT: Dummy me. Wasn't reading carefully enough; saw that Kenney's remains were found in 2000. Sorry, guys. :rolleyes:
Get the facts the remains were proven not be of her
crazytatsink 02-28-2009, 07:22 PM Marvin Chaney and Jess Rush were half brothers or stepbrothers. They lived by osceola, mo. their families still reside there.
Necco 02-28-2009, 07:45 PM Get the facts the remains were proven not be of her
Sorry for your loss.
So, Doe Network has it wrong and your mom is still missing? I bet people here could tell you how to get her listed on the various missing people clearinghouses.
crystaldawn 02-28-2009, 10:50 PM I am the son of Cheryl Ann Kenney, i was 10 years old at the time of the disappearence. Today mark 18 years for the disppearence. Please ask questions i would love to let everyone know the real truth behind the state of missouri and how they REALLY handle these cases!
Thanks so much for posting! So when you said the anniversary of her disappearance I assume that means she was never found. On the charley project page on Angela Hammond they say Cheryl's remains were found in a local field in 2000. They really need to correct that. Here's a link if you want to check it out:
http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/h/hammond_angela.html
Any other info you'd like to tell us about your mother's disappearance that UM left out, feel free. Such a sad case and I'm sorry about your mother's disappearance.
crazytatsink 03-01-2009, 04:22 PM Yeah the charley project is wrong. The bones that were found were proven to be that of a male not a female or this is what they say, the cops in these areas are good at trying to cover up stuff. The bones went to dna research last year and nothing ever hit the news about the identity of the bones. Yes yesterday marked the 18th year that she has been missing without nothing to go by except for jess rush and marvin chaney, these two are the top of the investigation at this time.
MegtheEgg86 03-02-2009, 02:53 PM Yeah the charley project is wrong. The bones that were found were proven to be that of a male not a female or this is what they say, the cops in these areas are good at trying to cover up stuff. The bones went to dna research last year and nothing ever hit the news about the identity of the bones. Yes yesterday marked the 18th year that she has been missing without nothing to go by except for jess rush and marvin chaney, these two are the top of the investigation at this time.
Wow, thank you so much for posting. I remember searching for any news articles about your mother after I read the Charley Project page, and being really puzzled when I couldn't find any. I hope her case can be solved. Has there been any headway in the case at all since her disappearance, any idea about what may have happened?
Cori aka ChrisSCrush 03-03-2009, 05:59 AM If they have the wrong remains they should also try to find out whose those are.
yuppielawyer 03-03-2009, 01:57 PM I'm pretty sure they know that.
BobStackdaman 03-05-2009, 07:24 PM Hey folks.....new poster here.....glad to find a site dedicated to one of my fav all time shows.....
Im still suprised this case about angela hammond has still yet to be solved......UGH.....
Lakeboy 03-05-2009, 07:48 PM I am the son of Cheryl Ann Kenney, i was 10 years old at the time of the disappearence. Today mark 18 years for the disppearence. Please ask questions i would love to let everyone know the real truth behind the state of missouri and how they REALLY handle these cases!
I am new to this site but have followed this case for a long time. Why is there not more info on your Mom??? The only time anyone mentions her is when they bring up Angela Hammond. There are very few details.
It says she disappeared shortly after closing the conveinence store. When was the last time anyone saw or talked to her??? Was there any evidence or did she simply disappear without a trace???
You mentioned the cops being crooked. Can you tell me a little more about that??
Sorry for so many questions but I am very interested in hearing more about this. Sorry for your loss.
Lakeboy 03-05-2009, 08:03 PM [QUOTE=chet_58]I wish there were more details in this case.. QUOTE]
That is all I am saying. We need more info to fill in the gaps. Here are a few more questions that more details can help filling in.
What happened between 10PM to 11:15PM? She left Rob at 10PM and was going home. Yet she calls him 75 minutes later from a booth only 7 blocks away. Did she go shopping that late? I mean only 7-11 and Wallmarts are opened that late in those towns. Why would a pregnant women be wandering around that late instead of going directly home? If anyone knows please fill in the time gap.
The criminal must be one hell of a driver. One hand in the wheel of a high speed chase and another hand holding Angie who we must assume was fighting for her life. When she saw Rob did that inspire her to hit him in the eyes or groin? Did she try to jump? Was there defensive wounds?
Was there skid marks that left tire prints within a short radius of the incident? All we hear the Missouri Police say that it was linked to the other abductions. WHich I concede could have happened. But answers to these questions would be helpful.
Finally, last not always jump to conclusions about facial expressions and body language. How many can say that really thought that the DJ Radio Hoax was a fraud? The guy even said "We will trade all publicity for this case not to be true." Many bought Susan Smith's passionate teary-eyed story about a black guy taking her kids. All the sobs and weeps turned out to be fake as she killed them her self. I myself once interviewed a Red haired 17-year old Arizona boy for pre-arraignment ROR purposes. He seemed innocuous and docile. It turned out he escaped from a juvenile facility after decapitating a police officer.
I can't say that Rob is 100% innocent or guilty. But if his story is true then the killer must be one of the most daring and highly skilled MF we have ever seen. :(
I am not saying whether Rob is guilty or not but there are a few things that have always bothered me about his story.
1) He babysit his brother starting at 10PM and then after his mother got home him and Angela were going out again. Why would someone who needed a babysitter only need one from 10PM till later. I would think his mom must work second shift and would need a babysitter the whole night. Maybe there is an explanation to this that I don't know.
2) Why we she call him from a pay phone 45 minutes later??? Why not just go to his house since they were going out again later.
3) Why would she go into such detail about a person and car that she did not think was suspicious???
If Rob's story is true, it is ashame they did not have cell phones back then. Maybe the police could have caught him once Rob's car broke down.
crazytatsink 03-09-2009, 12:48 AM lakeboy, yeah they say that there was a person who worked nearby that heard my mother and someone else arguing the night she disappeared, but nothing was followed up. The last time that anybody heard from her was February 27, 1991 she was reported missing the next day, she was supposed to be home by 10:20pm but she never returned, my stepdad went to the convenience store that she worked at and the car was there and the store was locked up and she was nowhere to be found. You also ask how the cops are crooked, the nevada, mo. police department scrutinized her in the papers for almost 3 months after the disappearence stating that she may have just got up and left on her own this went in the papers for awhile which means that they did not work the case. A skeleton and a few bones were found outside of nevada, mo. aroun d 2000. The skull sat in an evidence room for awhile without being worked on, i went to them about investigating the skull and remains further around 2004-2005 I asked for the mo. highway patrol's main person investigating this case to perform another dna test on the remainsthat they had, the officer advised me that there was nothing else that they could do, i still insisted that they please try, this officer told me bluntly " How 'bout i just send you the ****ing bones in the mail and you can pay for your own dna tests", i backed off and didnt work the case for awhile. I contacted people all the way up to the FBI and they told me there was nothing they could do 'cause it didnt happen of government property. I finally got the Hwy. Ptrl. to do another dna test in texas and the results as far as the investigating officer told me were that of a male, this after telling me that the skull looked to be that of my mothers, that the teeth and everything match her to a T. Well time has passed again and the cops keep *uck*ng me around when i call and try to work on this case. The skull they found had been shot with a .38 special in the head, not pointing no fingers, but the local cops back then only carried .38 specials, but like i said, "not pointing no fingers", it seems like these cops are covering one of their own!
Cori aka ChrisSCrush 03-09-2009, 05:08 AM I am not saying whether Rob is guilty or not but there are a few things that have always bothered me about his story.
3) Why would she go into such detail about a person and car that she did not think was suspicious???
This has always bothered me. Why make the call at all, then elaborately describe a car circling the block? Was Angela supposed to have described the fish decal, or was that from another sighting? It's hard to believe someone on the phone to her boyfriend mentioning such details.
TracyLynnS 03-09-2009, 11:27 AM Crazytatsink,
That is just unbelievable! I wish that when the cop told you "how about I just send you the effing bones and you can pay for your own DNA tests" that you could have forced the SOB to do it!
Did they ever let you have any pictures of the remains or anything? Did they compare dental xrays?
As far as them screwing around with deciding on the gender of the person's body they have in their custody... Whether the bones belong to a male or female, it doesn't take too long before even person without formal education can look at a skull and give you a fairly accurate indication of whether it's male or female. More educated people can look at a skull and get a very good idea of the ethnicity of the person.
UGH! How dare they treat you and the victim like this. It's outrageous.
Cori aka ChrisSCrush 03-09-2009, 03:49 PM Crazytatsink,
That is just unbelievable! I wish that when the cop told you "how about I just send you the effing bones and you can pay for your own DNA tests" that you could have forced the SOB to do it!
UGH! How dare they treat you and the victim like this. It's outrageous.
Could proof be obtained of this and charges filed?
TracyLynnS 03-09-2009, 04:56 PM Could proof be obtained of this and charges filed?
IDK. Is there any LE lurking the boards here who could offer advice?
The cops told crazytatsink that the bones were not the mother, then said that the bones were the mother; not her/are her, back and forth. For some weird reason, they can't make up their minds.
They sure don't seem to be investigating the case any further. I think I'd go make a pest out of myself, show up at their offices, and announce that I've come to collect my mother's remains. (Maybe under the ruse of a providing a proper burial or whatever.) Send registered letters, requiring a signature to be returned, etc, etc.
But sheesh. Screw 'em. Irritate the crap out of them until they are FORCED to do something. Call the local tv stations like "Channel 2 to the Rescue" or whatever is available in the area. Call the smart ass cop's office every day, and act like a nut: "I miss my momma, I want my momma. Why you gotta do this to her family and keep that poor murdered woman who's already been through so much from gettin a proper burial?"
Then switch tactics when calling and say that they're holding her body hostage because even in the year 2009, they haven't got their crap together enough to be able to make a definitive ID so that the body can be released to the family. Tell 'em your lawyer is preparing to file the paperwork to have the body ID'd and released to the family ASAP. Bluff 'em if ya gotta.
If he has a direct line, where they can see your number on the caller ID, use *67 first, to mask your identity. If this guy thinks he's really an important person, too important to be taking calls from regular folks like us, then after a while, tell the phone answering wench that you are Dr. Anderson calling for Sgt. SoandSo and could she put you through to his office right away.
Or use this one. Have a friend call (*67) "hello this is Dr. Anderson's office, I have Dr. Anderson on the line for Sgt. SoandSo, could you put him through please? Then you (Dr. Anderson) take the line and rip the cop a new one.
Also, write the local newspapers and tell them what cops are doing. Tell the whole story. They've had her body for years and won't give her to the family. It's got to be against the law somehow. It's not like she's a Jane Doe. There's at least one family who's got a good reason to believe she's related. It's time for the county to finalize this case.
But if the cops are covering for one of their own, be prepared to get the heck out of dodge. I had a cop who was my neighbor and was stalking me. He knew I lived in his neighborhood, but not where. He stalked me around town. The last time I caught him following me, he was drunk driving and talking on his cell phone. His cops buddies covered for him AND told him my address! I had to move. They take care of their own so you gotta watch your back. Not all of them are there to protect and serve. There are definitely some ego trippers in the bunch who should be in the jail instead of guarding it.
But I swear, if I were in this situation, I'd call that SOB so many times that he's be afraid to answer his phone.
And CrazyTatsInk, YOU are the one with the power in this situation. Don't let them think that they can take it away from you. It's in your hands. You're the boss. You call the shots. It sounds like they've done just about all they can do without authorization from the next of kin. And they've probably overstepped that boundary already. Give 'em hell! :cuss: <-Call 'em up and do this.
Lakeboy 03-09-2009, 09:55 PM lakeboy, yeah they say that there was a person who worked nearby that heard my mother and someone else arguing the night she disappeared, but nothing was followed up. The last time that anybody heard from her was February 27, 1991 she was reported missing the next day, she was supposed to be home by 10:20pm but she never returned, my stepdad went to the convenience store that she worked at and the car was there and the store was locked up and she was nowhere to be found. You also ask how the cops are crooked, the nevada, mo. police department scrutinized her in the papers for almost 3 months after the disappearence stating that she may have just got up and left on her own this went in the papers for awhile which means that they did not work the case. A skeleton and a few bones were found outside of nevada, mo. aroun d 2000. The skull sat in an evidence room for awhile without being worked on, i went to them about investigating the skull and remains further around 2004-2005 I asked for the mo. highway patrol's main person investigating this case to perform another dna test on the remainsthat they had, the officer advised me that there was nothing else that they could do, i still insisted that they please try, this officer told me bluntly " How 'bout i just send you the ****ing bones in the mail and you can pay for your own dna tests", i backed off and didnt work the case for awhile. I contacted people all the way up to the FBI and they told me there was nothing they could do 'cause it didnt happen of government property. I finally got the Hwy. Ptrl. to do another dna test in texas and the results as far as the investigating officer told me were that of a male, this after telling me that the skull looked to be that of my mothers, that the teeth and everything match her to a T. Well time has passed again and the cops keep *uck*ng me around when i call and try to work on this case. The skull they found had been shot with a .38 special in the head, not pointing no fingers, but the local cops back then only carried .38 specials, but like i said, "not pointing no fingers", it seems like these cops are covering one of their own!
Thanks for giving me the info on this case. I remember when this originally aired on Unsolved Mysteries and I have always wondered about her. I can't believe that someone heard her arguing the night of the disapperance but they never investigated it. Also, if she were going to run away wouldn't she take her car with her??? It does sound like the cops are covering something.
I see that you live in Arizona now. I see why. I wouldn't want to be missing person in this town. I am sorry that you are having such a hard time figuring out what happened to your Mom. Maybe someone on here can help you.
brandonjitaliano 03-18-2009, 06:40 PM Ive always wondered, have the missouri authorities ever taken a closer look at Tommy Lynn Sells? He always seemed to be a good fit to me, on all three of these cases!
crazytatsink 03-18-2009, 07:03 PM Who is Tommy Lynn Sells never heard that name before. Do you know any records of this person on what he has done in the past!?
TracyLynnS 03-19-2009, 09:31 AM Who is Tommy Lynn Sells never heard that name before. Do you know any records of this person on what he has done in the past!?
One thing that I remember he did was enter a woman's house and beat her and her 2 year old son to death with a baseball bat.
The woman was pregnant. He beat her until she actually gave birth to the baby and then he beat the baby to death, too.
Here's an 11 page article on him at trutv. It's detailed and sickening.
http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/serial_killers/predators/tommy_sells/index.html
Drakken 03-19-2009, 02:03 PM Who is Tommy Lynn Sells never heard that name before. Do you know any records of this person on what he has done in the past!?
One of the most vicious and cold-hearted serial murderer ever to come out from the US. He was a transient who move using trains and hitchhikes. He would enter homes and kill anyone found there by various means, even babies and children.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tommy_Lynn_Sells
However, I doubt it was Tommy Lynn Sells, if only because abductions were not part of his M.O. He prefered to enter homes to commit crimes there by various means.
MegtheEgg86 04-02-2009, 11:15 PM Angela Hammond's younger brother has a MySpace page set up for his sister, and tonight this bulletin was posted:
To all my Loved Ones,
The Kansas City Star will be publishing an article in regard to new findings in my abduction/murder that is a giant leap forward into solving our case. The article will be written by Tony Rizzo of the Kansas City Star and will be featured in Sunday the 5th or Monday the 6th of April's newspaper. Please keep your eyes and ears open and pass the word on to anyone you know that may pay an interest into the solving of this heinous crime.
**PLEASE DO A SMALL PART TO HELP SOLVE MY CASE BY RE-POSTING THIS BULLETIN ON YOUR PAGES (MS OR FB) SO THAT WE CAN SPREAD MUCH NEEDED AWARENESS!!!
**PLEASE ALSO ADD US TO YOUR FRIENDS LIST!!!
**REMEMBER; ANY MEDIA, GOOD OR BAD, IS GOOD MEDIA!!!
Thank you and God Bless,
Angie
PS: I will send updates as necessary and also try to post the articles/clips on my MySpace and Facebook pages.
www.myspace.com/angelamariehammond
www.facebook.com/people/angela-marie-hammond/1637589229
www.angelamariehammond@gmail.com
http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_angela_hammond.htm
www.kansascitystar.com
OhReally 04-02-2009, 11:35 PM Angela Hammond's younger brother has a MySpace page set up for his sister, and tonight this bulletin was posted:
To all my Loved Ones,
The Kansas City Star will be publishing an article in regard to new findings in my abduction/murder that is a giant leap forward into solving our case. The article will be written by Tony Rizzo of the Kansas City Star and will be featured in Sunday the 5th or Monday the 6th of April's newspaper. Please keep your eyes and ears open and pass the word on to anyone you know that may pay an interest into the solving of this heinous crime.
**PLEASE DO A SMALL PART TO HELP SOLVE MY CASE BY RE-POSTING THIS BULLETIN ON YOUR PAGES (MS OR FB) SO THAT WE CAN SPREAD MUCH NEEDED AWARENESS!!!
**PLEASE ALSO ADD US TO YOUR FRIENDS LIST!!!
**REMEMBER; ANY MEDIA, GOOD OR BAD, IS GOOD MEDIA!!!
Thank you and God Bless,
Angie
PS: I will send updates as necessary and also try to post the articles/clips on my MySpace and Facebook pages.
www.myspace.com/angelamariehammond
www.facebook.com/people/angela-marie-hammond/1637589229
www.angelamariehammond@gmail.com
http://www.unsolved.com/ajaxfiles/mis_angela_hammond.htm
www.kansascitystar.com
I was just about to post the same thing. Everyone be sure to check out the KC Star on Sunday, or the Springfield News-Leader (Not sure what day, Should be sometime between Friday and Monday)...... Could be interesting.... :)
Additionally, check this out... Missouri Project Rest (http://www.mshp.dps.missouri.gov/MSHPWeb/PatrolDivisions/DDCC/Units/MissingPersonsJuvenileUnit/Documents/ProjectRestHalltownPoster0708.pdf)
kane7474 04-03-2009, 05:29 AM I cant wait to see what they have to say on this. I sent some of what we posted on here to the star awhile back. Maybe they picked up on it. We'll see. I noticed on the myspace page they mention murder of Trudy Darby as if they beileve it was connected to Angela's disappearance but no mention of the fact that Darby's murder was solved and the perpatraitors could very well be Angela's killers.
kane7474 04-03-2009, 04:39 PM Yeah the charley project is wrong. The bones that were found were proven to be that of a male not a female or this is what they say, the cops in these areas are good at trying to cover up stuff. The bones went to dna research last year and nothing ever hit the news about the identity of the bones. Yes yesterday marked the 18th year that she has been missing without nothing to go by except for jess rush and marvin chaney, these two are the top of the investigation at this time.
Im sure you have looked into this more then anyone (including law enforcement) so I would like to ask you what you think of Jess Rush and Marvin Chaney as suspects? They were convicted of Darby's murder and according to court records the prosecutor had physical evidence that Chaney was involved in three other murders. Chaney was tried only for the murder of Darby in exchange for pleading guilty. In your opinion how do they rate as suspects???
TracyLynnS 04-04-2009, 02:38 PM Just FYI, if you have a myspace page and would like to add Angela Hammond's page to your friend's list, her brother is very fast about answering the friends requests to add everyone to the friends list in order to get the word out to as many people as possible regarding Angela's case.
crazytatsink 04-04-2009, 07:11 PM In my own opinion I hope these two burn in hell while their bodies still have feeling, they are predators that got off doing alot and the others that were accomplices in these kidnappings need to get the balls to step forward and put their mucscle where their mouths are. The ones that were named marshall, greg, cheevers, and parel sitting out there not having a worry about what they were involved in and just laying back while everyone is trying to figure this out and just bottling up all the info that we all need to solve these cases. In my opinion Marvin and Jess were involved in the three cases, there was also an attempted abduction before either angela or trudy, Where is this person and why didnt they get her to do an ID on marvin and Jess, hmmm maybe another coverup just to keep from having to do some real investigation among the missouri law enforcement!!!!!! Like I said these two need to come forward their asses are already going to burn when they die so why not just fess up and take the torturing punishment that they deserve. They need to feel the pain these women had to go through, damn unfortunate they cant get out for a couple days so we can treat them how they need to be treated! As I said IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!
porchlight 04-05-2009, 12:31 AM http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...D=2009904040337
Tips still trickle in from 1991 abduction
Amos Bridges • News-Leader • April 4, 2009
It's been 18 years since Angela Hammond was abducted from a grocery store parking lot in Clinton.
The 20-year-old bank worker, recently engaged, was talking to her fiancé on a pay phone April 4, 1991. It was late, so when a suspicious-looking man in a green truck pulled into the lot and approached another booth, Hammond started relaying details over the phone.
Moments later, the conversation ended with a scream. Despite several weeks of intense searching, Hammond was never seen again.
After almost two decades, Clinton police haven't given up.
snip. more at link
More info here as well http://z10.invisionfree.com/usedtobedoe/index.php?showtopic=6855&st=0&
Zoneboy 04-05-2009, 01:33 AM porchlight's link isn't working, Here's the article in it's entirety with a new link.
Link (http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904040337&GID=7R2YXsXbVAlbckVEFHO8Xbn70pw52Dw8tpg1RcnopUU%3D)
It's been 18 years since Angela Hammond was abducted from a grocery store parking lot in Clinton.
The 20-year-old bank worker, recently engaged, was talking to her fiancé on a pay phone April 4, 1991. It was late, so when a suspicious-looking man in a green truck pulled into the lot and approached another booth, Hammond started relaying details over the phone.
Moments later, the conversation ended with a scream. Despite several weeks of intense searching, Hammond was never seen again.
After almost two decades, Clinton police haven't given up.
"We really don't consider this to be a cold case at this point," said Clinton Police Sgt. Paul Abbott. "We've been working on this case diligently for the last 18 years. On occasion we have fewer and fewer leads, but here recently it seems like there's been renewed interest by the public ... "We feel like this is an open, active investigation right now."
Abbott and other investigators hope renewed public attention, as well as advances in DNA testing and other forensic techniques, will help identify a suspect and shed light on Hammond's fate.
"Once we started talking about it, everyone else started talking about it, too," Abbott said. "We would get a trickle of a lead here, a trickle of a lead there ...
"Now it's not uncommon for us to get two or three new and different leads on this case every single week."
Mother Wants Closure
Initially linked to two other kidnappings in early 1991, Hammond's abduction preceded Springfield's three missing women case by 14 months.
Although unrelated to the June 7, 1992 disappearance of Stacy McCall, Suzie Streeter and Sherill Levitt, Hammond's abduction had a similar effect on the Clinton community.
"This is apple pie America. Things like that just don't happen here," said Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook.
Cook -- who befriended Stacy McCall's mother, Janis, and appeared with the Springfield woman on a 1992 episode of Oprah Winfrey's television show -- said she just wants to find out what happened to her daughter "and bring her home, one way or the other."
"I realize that after 18 years it's not very hopeful that she'd still be alive," Cook said. " ... At least I would know what happened to her and maybe have some closure. That not knowing is what kills you."
Many Details From Scene
Throughout the years, some of the best information detectives received came from Hammond herself.
"That information came from her and was relayed to her fiancé at the time," Abbott said.
Hammond described a two-tone green truck -- similar to an early '70s model Ford -- that circled the block several times before pulling into the lot near her car.
The truck had a mural in its back window of a fish jumping out of water, she noted, and the driver, a white man, was "scruffy" looking.
The bearded man was wearing overalls and glasses when he got out of the truck and approached the pay phone next to Hammond.
He picked up the phone, then hung it up a moment later. Hammond asked him if he needed to use the phone she was using, but he said he'd try again later.
Hammond told her fiancé, Rob Shafer, that the man then returned to his truck walking back toward her.
Then she screamed. The line went dead.
Shafer, an 18-year-old high school senior, told police he jumped in his own truck and raced toward the grocery store a few blocks away.
On the way, he passed a truck and heard Hammond shout his name.
"When she screamed at me out the window, I put it in reverse and started chasing him," Shafer told the News-Leader in 1991.
After only a mile, his transmission gave out -- it had been damaged when he frantically turned around.
The truck carrying Hammond disappeared into the night.
Authorities Hopeful
Searches by Clinton police and members of the Missouri Rural Crime Squad turned up no sign of the young woman or her assailant.
Reward funds totaling $16,000 were set up. In addition to Hammond's mother's appearance on "Oprah," the case was featured on "Unsolved Mysteries" in February 1992.
More than 600 tips poured in, but none of the leads panned out.
Shafer, the last person to speak with Hammond, was investigated "extensively" and ruled out as a suspect, Abbott said. "We still feel that way."
Although they believe the basic description of Hammond's kidnapping is accurate, detectives are open to the possibility that details -- such as the make or model of the suspect's truck -- could have been miscommunicated in the couple's conversation.
"There can always be discrepancies ... it can be like playing the old telephone game," Abbott said.
The truck, which Hammond described as a Ford like the one Shafer drove, might have been a Dodge or a Chevrolet, for example. Or Shafer might have misinterpreted her description of the mural on the back window.
"We've considered that," Abbott said. "We've looked at a lot of older trucks."
It's unlikely the suspect is still driving the vehicle, but it might jog someone's memory, he said.
One new development, Abbott said, is that detectives no longer think Hammond's abduction was related to others that occurred nearby in 1991.
"Initially we always looked at this case from the viewpoint that it was probably associated with the Cheryl Ann Kenney case in Nevada and the Trudy Darby case in Macks Creek," he said.
Both women were convenience store clerks who disappeared a few months before Hammond was kidnapped. Darby's nude body was found in the Little Niangua River two days after she disappeared, shot twice in the head. Kenney has never been found.
"At this point we think it is unlikely that our case is related to those two cases," Abbott said, saying the investigation is now more focused on the Clinton area, with tips indicating a local suspect.
Police also hope technology may provide a break.
Abbott would not specifically describe what evidence has been preserved since Hammond was abducted, but said several items are being reprocessed. "We're hopeful that we may be able to develop some DNA profiles of a possible suspect in the future."
Hammond's mother, said Clinton police "have been wonderful" about keeping her updated about the case.
The recent activity is encouraging, Cook said. "As long as something's going on with it, you've got the hope that maybe they will find something ...
"If anybody knows anything out there, we'd really like their help."
crazytatsink 04-05-2009, 10:48 AM This does not make to much sense, since in the beginnging they have stated that Rob was driving a car. In this article they state that he was driving a truck that was around the same model as the one that kidnapped Angela. Then they said that he may have misinterpreted the decal (mural) in the back window, if Rob chased this truck like they said he did then how could he misinterpret the most visible thing about the truck. Maybe someone needs to keep their stories straight so the facts can stay facts. Maybe if the media and the investigators would keep everything straight we might find out what the actual facts are instead of the media or what not putting it in their own words.
crazytatsink 04-05-2009, 10:50 AM This does not make to much sense, since in the beginnging they have stated that Rob was driving a car. In this article they state that he was driving a truck that was around the same model as the one that kidnapped Angela. Then they said that he may have misinterpreted the decal (mural) in the back window, if Rob chased this truck like they said he did then how could he misinterpret the most visible thing about the truck. Maybe someone needs to keep their stories straight so the facts can stay facts. Maybe if the media and the investigators would keep everything straight we might find out what the actual facts are instead of the media or what not putting it in their own words
kane7474 04-05-2009, 07:03 PM porchlight's link isn't working, Here's the article in it's entirety with a new link.
Link (http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904040337&GID=7R2YXsXbVAlbckVEFHO8Xbn70pw52Dw8tpg1RcnopUU%3D)
It's been 18 years since Angela Hammond was abducted from a grocery store parking lot in Clinton.
The 20-year-old bank worker, recently engaged, was talking to her fiancé on a pay phone April 4, 1991. It was late, so when a suspicious-looking man in a green truck pulled into the lot and approached another booth, Hammond started relaying details over the phone.
Moments later, the conversation ended with a scream. Despite several weeks of intense searching, Hammond was never seen again.
After almost two decades, Clinton police haven't given up.
"We really don't consider this to be a cold case at this point," said Clinton Police Sgt. Paul Abbott. "We've been working on this case diligently for the last 18 years. On occasion we have fewer and fewer leads, but here recently it seems like there's been renewed interest by the public ... "We feel like this is an open, active investigation right now."
Abbott and other investigators hope renewed public attention, as well as advances in DNA testing and other forensic techniques, will help identify a suspect and shed light on Hammond's fate.
"Once we started talking about it, everyone else started talking about it, too," Abbott said. "We would get a trickle of a lead here, a trickle of a lead there ...
"Now it's not uncommon for us to get two or three new and different leads on this case every single week."
Mother Wants Closure
Initially linked to two other kidnappings in early 1991, Hammond's abduction preceded Springfield's three missing women case by 14 months.
Although unrelated to the June 7, 1992 disappearance of Stacy McCall, Suzie Streeter and Sherill Levitt, Hammond's abduction had a similar effect on the Clinton community.
"This is apple pie America. Things like that just don't happen here," said Hammond's mother, Marsha Cook.
Cook -- who befriended Stacy McCall's mother, Janis, and appeared with the Springfield woman on a 1992 episode of Oprah Winfrey's television show -- said she just wants to find out what happened to her daughter "and bring her home, one way or the other."
"I realize that after 18 years it's not very hopeful that she'd still be alive," Cook said. " ... At least I would know what happened to her and maybe have some closure. That not knowing is what kills you."
Many Details From Scene
Throughout the years, some of the best information detectives received came from Hammond herself.
"That information came from her and was relayed to her fiancé at the time," Abbott said.
Hammond described a two-tone green truck -- similar to an early '70s model Ford -- that circled the block several times before pulling into the lot near her car.
The truck had a mural in its back window of a fish jumping out of water, she noted, and the driver, a white man, was "scruffy" looking.
The bearded man was wearing overalls and glasses when he got out of the truck and approached the pay phone next to Hammond.
He picked up the phone, then hung it up a moment later. Hammond asked him if he needed to use the phone she was using, but he said he'd try again later.
Hammond told her fiancé, Rob Shafer, that the man then returned to his truck walking back toward her.
Then she screamed. The line went dead.
Shafer, an 18-year-old high school senior, told police he jumped in his own truck and raced toward the grocery store a few blocks away.
On the way, he passed a truck and heard Hammond shout his name.
"When she screamed at me out the window, I put it in reverse and started chasing him," Shafer told the News-Leader in 1991.
After only a mile, his transmission gave out -- it had been damaged when he frantically turned around.
The truck carrying Hammond disappeared into the night.
Authorities Hopeful
Searches by Clinton police and members of the Missouri Rural Crime Squad turned up no sign of the young woman or her assailant.
Reward funds totaling $16,000 were set up. In addition to Hammond's mother's appearance on "Oprah," the case was featured on "Unsolved Mysteries" in February 1992.
More than 600 tips poured in, but none of the leads panned out.
Shafer, the last person to speak with Hammond, was investigated "extensively" and ruled out as a suspect, Abbott said. "We still feel that way."
Although they believe the basic description of Hammond's kidnapping is accurate, detectives are open to the possibility that details -- such as the make or model of the suspect's truck -- could have been miscommunicated in the couple's conversation.
"There can always be discrepancies ... it can be like playing the old telephone game," Abbott said.
The truck, which Hammond described as a Ford like the one Shafer drove, might have been a Dodge or a Chevrolet, for example. Or Shafer might have misinterpreted her description of the mural on the back window.
"We've considered that," Abbott said. "We've looked at a lot of older trucks."
It's unlikely the suspect is still driving the vehicle, but it might jog someone's memory, he said.
One new development, Abbott said, is that detectives no longer think Hammond's abduction was related to others that occurred nearby in 1991.
"Initially we always looked at this case from the viewpoint that it was probably associated with the Cheryl Ann Kenney case in Nevada and the Trudy Darby case in Macks Creek," he said.
Both women were convenience store clerks who disappeared a few months before Hammond was kidnapped. Darby's nude body was found in the Little Niangua River two days after she disappeared, shot twice in the head. Kenney has never been found.
"At this point we think it is unlikely that our case is related to those two cases," Abbott said, saying the investigation is now more focused on the Clinton area, with tips indicating a local suspect.
Police also hope technology may provide a break.
Abbott would not specifically describe what evidence has been preserved since Hammond was abducted, but said several items are being reprocessed. "We're hopeful that we may be able to develop some DNA profiles of a possible suspect in the future."
Hammond's mother, said Clinton police "have been wonderful" about keeping her updated about the case.
The recent activity is encouraging, Cook said. "As long as something's going on with it, you've got the hope that maybe they will find something ...
"If anybody knows anything out there, we'd really like their help."
Now they are saying that the Hammond case is NOT related to the Darby and Kenney cases? They also say that it is not related to springfield three? How do they know this with only one of these cases being solved? Unreal
JimmyHendricks 04-06-2009, 02:29 AM Here is the link to the KC Star article:
http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1125960.html
I had no idea that she was pregnant.
Cori aka ChrisSCrush 04-06-2009, 03:34 AM Here is the link to the KC Star article:
http://www.kansascity.com/637/story/1125960.html
I had no idea that she was pregnant.
Neither did I. Are people absolutely convinced the boyfriend didn't do it or have someone else do it to get out of marrying her?
Apostapler 04-06-2009, 05:21 AM Neither did I. Are people absolutely convinced the boyfriend didn't do it or have someone else do it to get out of marrying her?
If I recall correctly, he passed a polygraph and was eliminated very early on. Also, he had proposed marriage to her. I think he was fine with the idea of marrying Angela.
TracyLynnS 04-06-2009, 10:11 AM I agree with crazytatsink. Why, nearly 20 years later, does this new article come out with such different information than what we've come to know as facts?
For one thing, why was the boyfriend's vehicle changed from a car (as we have be told) to a truck that is almost identical to the kidnapper's vehicle? The article goes into a lot of detail on this point. If this was fact, from the beginning, wouldn't people close to the case have pointed that out?
OhReally 04-06-2009, 10:36 AM I don't think anyone was ever "told" that Rob's vehicle was a car, I think it was assumed since that's what was used in the UM segment. Hollywood does weird things. But, if anyone can find an original article that states "Rob was driving a car", I'd love to see it. I don't think the focus of the investigation was what kind of vehicle Rob was driving, rather, it was on what kind of vehicle the suspect was driving. Rob could have been driving a scooter for all that it matters, the important vehicle was the suspect's vehicle.
Now they are saying that the Hammond case is NOT related to the Darby and Kenney cases? They also say that it is not related to springfield three? How do they know this with only one of these cases being solved? Unreal
Why is that unreal? Maybe the investigators "investigated" and made this determination. I don't get you guys, if the cops don't investigate, they get accused of "not doing anything" if they do investigate and come to a conclusion that doesn't set right with you guys, it's "unreal". Let them do their job, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
lorenhammond83 04-06-2009, 01:45 PM Neither did I. Are people absolutely convinced the boyfriend didn't do it or have someone else do it to get out of marrying her?
Rob (Angie's Boyfriend) did not do it. It is not feasible considering the minute amount of time he would have had to cover up the evidence before he reported the news of her disappearance. We need to out rule him completely as the police have done on multiple occasions and leave it that way.
I do believe are answers lie in the Clinton/Surrounding area and the persons involved are very close knit and most likely heavy drug users (rural Missouri so Meth is a good assumption). People know what happened and they are afraid of coming forward…
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MegtheEgg86 04-06-2009, 03:49 PM From the Star:
She wasn’t there when her daughter was taken, but later, Cook watched an “Unsolved Mysteries” crew re-create the abduction. A very convincing actress played Angela Hammond.
“That girl could scream,” Cook said
I concur. That scream sounds like something out of a nightmare.
kane7474 04-06-2009, 04:43 PM In my own opinion I hope these two burn in hell while their bodies still have feeling, they are predators that got off doing alot and the others that were accomplices in these kidnappings need to get the balls to step forward and put their mucscle where their mouths are. The ones that were named marshall, greg, cheevers, and parel sitting out there not having a worry about what they were involved in and just laying back while everyone is trying to figure this out and just bottling up all the info that we all need to solve these cases. In my opinion Marvin and Jess were involved in the three cases, there was also an attempted abduction before either angela or trudy, Where is this person and why didnt they get her to do an ID on marvin and Jess, hmmm maybe another coverup just to keep from having to do some real investigation among the missouri law enforcement!!!!!! Like I said these two need to come forward their asses are already going to burn when they die so why not just fess up and take the torturing punishment that they deserve. They need to feel the pain these women had to go through, damn unfortunate they cant get out for a couple days so we can treat them how they need to be treated! As I said IN MY OPINION!!!!!!!!!!!!
Im glad someone else feels the other suspects named in Rush's letters should be investigated. I think by doing this investigators might uncover exactly what happened to these "other women" that he mentioned. It may well turn out that one of them was Angela or Sheryl. Then again the prosecutors would have to admit that this information was available to them since 1994 and they choose to do nothing with it so don't hold your breath.
kane7474 04-06-2009, 04:50 PM I don't think anyone was ever "told" that Rob's vehicle was a car, I think it was assumed since that's what was used in the UM segment. Hollywood does weird things. But, if anyone can find an original article that states "Rob was driving a car", I'd love to see it. I don't think the focus of the investigation was what kind of vehicle Rob was driving, rather, it was on what kind of vehicle the suspect was driving. Rob could have been driving a scooter for all that it matters, the important vehicle was the suspect's vehicle.
Why is that unreal? Maybe the investigators "investigated" and made this determination. I don't get you guys, if the cops don't investigate, they get accused of "not doing anything" if they do investigate and come to a conclusion that doesn't set right with you guys, it's "unreal". Let them do their job, I'm sure they know what they're doing.
Why is this unreal? Okay, because only the Darby case has been solved. There are no suspects in the Springfield three case or the disappearances of Kenny and Hammond. Therefore how can ANYONE say they are not related? In the absence of a perpatraitor how the hell could anyone know if the same person was responsible for all of them??????????????????? So if they investigated as you seem to think they have, please explain how they could have came to such a conclusion with no suspects, no evidence and no witnesses? Let me know on that one. There has been NO new information on the girls from Springfield, Kenny or Hammond since the day they went missing. Unless investigators are keeping some smoking gun under wraps there is no way they can say these cases are unrelated.
kane7474 04-06-2009, 04:53 PM Rob (Angie's Boyfriend) did not do it. It is not feasible considering the minute amount of time he would have had to cover up the evidence before he reported the news of her disappearance. We need to out rule him completely as the police have done on multiple occasions and leave it that way.
I do believe are answers lie in the Clinton/Surrounding area and the persons involved are very close knit and most likely heavy drug users (rual Missouri so Meth is a good assumption). People know what happened and they are afraid of coming forward…
Please be our friend on MySpace and now Facebook to help spread awareness and to also get updates on Angie’s case.
www.myspace.com/angelamariehammond
www.facebook.com/people/angela-marie-hammond/1637589229
Tipsters may remain anonymous by emailing Angela’s family at angelamariehammond@gmail.com or by contacting the Clinton Police Department at (660) 885-2679 or tips@clintonmopd.com
Glad your on here, If you read through this entire thread you will see that anyone who has followed this case closely knows that Rob wasnt involved. Please look through our thread and let us know what you think of some of the ideas as to what may of happened. Do you think the men convicted of Trudy Darby's murder could have been involved? We would love to hear what you think.
TracyLynnS 04-06-2009, 05:21 PM OhReally,
From the official unsolved website, www.unsolved.com
"Rob turned around on the street and chased the pickup through downtown. But he didn't realize that when he threw his car into reverse, the transmission had been severely damaged."
TracyLynnS 04-06-2009, 05:33 PM This is an interesting bit from the article: One promising suspect from a nearby county had a pickup truck similar to the one associated with the abduction. But the owner had a solid alibi: He was under arrest in California at the time.
So a guy in a nearby county has a similar truck, but he was in jail in california when Angie went missing. I wonder who had the use of his truck while he was stuck in jail way out in california? Did the cops process the truck to see if there was evidence that it had been used to abduct Angie?
With the truck's owner out of state and in jail, it would be easy to take it and use it without his knowledge or consent. I sure hope the cops followed up on that.
Necco 04-06-2009, 05:38 PM I wonder if Unsolved Mysteries opted to depict Rob driving a car rather than a truck to make the perpetrator's truck stand out more.
That recent article did clear up at least thing people were questioning, why she was using a payphone (she didn't have a home phone).
crazytatsink 04-07-2009, 12:18 AM This was posted in the kansas city star ::
One promising suspect from a nearby county had a pickup truck similar to the one associated with the abduction. But the owner had a solid alibi: He was under arrest in California at the time.
Ok then where was his truck at the time of the abduction? When was he actually arrested? Does he fit the profile?
Juist thoughts!!!!
kane7474 04-07-2009, 05:20 AM This was posted in the kansas city star ::
One promising suspect from a nearby county had a pickup truck similar to the one associated with the abduction. But the owner had a solid alibi: He was under arrest in California at the time.
Ok then where was his truck at the time of the abduction? When was he actually arrested? Does he fit the profile?
Juist thoughts!!!!
There was a segment on our local news tonight about Angela. The lead in was that there was new information but actually nothing new was revealed. The investigator said again that somehow they know that Angela's abduction is not related to any other abductions that happened around the same time. Ofcourse no mention of how they now know this. He also stated that there was new evidence in the form of DNA that "might" produce a suspect. Go figure that one out.
Now about this story concerning someone in the area having a similar truck but being out of town. Is someone really trying to convince us that in the last 18 years this has never been looked into? The Clinton police, Henry County sherriffs and the FBI all overlooked this? This is highly suspect. During the unsolved mysteries episode it was said that over 1500 people with trucks matching the description where investigated and nothing turned up. Now all of a sudden we are considering that someone could have used someone elses truck?
Honestly I think that this case has been generating alot of attention lately and law enforcement in the area just wants to let everyone know they are still actively pursuing it. I don't think they have anything new whatsoever, I think they are just making a few headlines to show us they are still on the case. Ofcourse if this new evidence comes out maybe I will be proven wrong. Time will tell.
TracyLynnS 04-07-2009, 11:46 AM I can't imagine what this "new dna" evidence could be. If she scratched the attacker and managed to leave blood evidence behind, maybe smeared on the phone booth, you'd think that they would have said something about that by now.
It can't be something like a cigarette butt or a beer can left at the scene, because that could belong to anybody..
kane7474 04-07-2009, 01:44 PM I can't imagine what this "new dna" evidence could be. If she scratched the attacker and managed to leave blood evidence behind, maybe smeared on the phone booth, you'd think that they would have said something about that by now.
It can't be something like a cigarette butt or a beer can left at the scene, because that could belong to anybody..
Well we have heard that the attacker was using the payphone next to her maybe someone decided 18 years later to dust it for prints?
If new "DNA" evidence really does exsist then that tells me that investigators have had a suspect all along that they have seized property from and have possibly found Angie's DNA on that property. Honestly I cant think of any other way DNA would be solving this case.
lorenhammond83 04-07-2009, 05:09 PM Most Recent Media Updates:
Posted 04/04/09: http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904040337
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1125960.html
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.ky3.com/news/local/42534797.html
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.kmbc.com/news/19110648/detail.html
Video Interview with Paul Abbott (detective) and my father (Chris Hammond) http://www.kmbc.com/video/19112308/
Please advise if others have been seen as I try and keep all Angie's media scrap-booked......
Thank you!
TracyLynnS 04-07-2009, 05:13 PM Attention LOREN HAMMOND
We need you to clear up a question for us, if you don't mind. Two different sources are giving two different descriptions of the vehicle that Rob was driving the night he tried to save Angela.
Unsolved Mysteries, on their website and in their re-enactment, said that he was driving a car. I think charley project says it was a car, too.
But at least one of the recent newspaper articles states very clearly that he was driving a truck that was almost identical to the one driven by the perpetrator.
Could you please let us know what kind of vehicle Rob was actually driving that night?
OhReally 04-07-2009, 06:02 PM For what it's worth, ROB WAS DRIVING A TRUCK THAT NIGHT.
lorenhammond83 04-07-2009, 10:01 PM Attention LOREN HAMMOND
We need you to clear up a question for us, if you don't mind. Two different sources are giving two different descriptions of the vehicle that Rob was driving the night he tried to save Angela.
Unsolved Mysteries, on their website and in their re-enactment, said that he was driving a car. I think charley project says it was a car, too.
But at least one of the recent newspaper articles states very clearly that he was driving a truck that was almost identical to the one driven by the perpetrator.
Could you please let us know what kind of vehicle Rob was actually driving that night?
It was definitely a truck. OhReally seems to know their facts. I am happy to help and or answer any questions you all may have.
crazytatsink 04-07-2009, 10:49 PM I talked with an investigator there and asked that question about the car. I was told that Unsolved Mysteries depicted that the vehicle Rob was driving was a car but INFACT HE WAS DRIVING A TRUCK!!!!
kane7474 04-08-2009, 05:11 AM It was definitely a truck. OhReally seems to know their facts. I am happy to help and or answer any questions you all may have.
Could you tell us why the investigators now seem to be very confident that Angela's dissapearance is not related to other similar abductions that happened in the same general time period?
kane7474 04-08-2009, 05:25 AM Most Recent Media Updates:
Posted 04/04/09: http://www.news-leader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2009904040337
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.kansascity.com/115/story/1125960.html
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.ky3.com/news/local/42534797.html
Posted 04/06/09: http://www.kmbc.com/news/19110648/detail.html
Video Interview with Paul Abbott (detective) and my father (Chris Hammond) http://www.kmbc.com/video/19112308/
Please advise if others have been seen as I try and keep all Angie's media scrap-booked......
Thank you!
I did notice that one of the stories mentions that two men involved another similar crime were looked at and basically cleared as suspects. Im guessing that must be Marvin Chaney and Jess Rush. Interesting, I sure hope whatever it is the investigators have comes to light soon.
wiseguy182 04-08-2009, 06:38 AM now if Rob was lying, why would he create a truck that looked exactly like his ????
TracyLynnS 04-08-2009, 10:21 AM It was definitely a truck. OhReally seems to know their facts. I am happy to help and or answer any questions you all may have.
Thanks so much! I really appreciate you clearing that up for us. :)
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