I'm real mad at VH1 right now. Not only did they make her Jo character seem like a real 80's super-villain, but they also made her look like a total softie afterwards. Not to mention that "single mother" remark. What is VH1 trying to do? Make her look like a gay person? Don't they even know Nancy McKeon is happily MARRIED to a male? WTF!(Hear loud truck horn honking twice while saying last 3 words.) VH1 should at least get the facts straight about her life after Facts of Life. They didn't even mention that she starred for 4 years on The Division as well as her starring role on Category 6 DOD, which BTW was a hit on CBS.

They didn't mind telling all the facts and starring roles of Kim Fields and Mindy Cohn, though.

1. how does "single mother" equal "lesbian"? Are you that naive? If they wanted to make Nancy look like a lesbian, they would've said "she's raising her child with her partner". Plenty of single mothers who aren't lesbians out there. Angelina Jolie's a single mother... does that mean I'm saying she likes fish? Even if Nancy was a lesbian, which she isn't, so what? You'd be surprised at the large number of gays and lesbians who love Facts Of Life, it's up there with The Golden Girls and Roseanne with us.

2. They did mention The Division, which believe it or not, wasn't really that big a show. And they did mention she's worked steadily too.

3. They painted Jo as "the tough one", which she was, and the clips they showed were ones that depicted her that way.

4. maybe the fact that Nancy resents her FOL past is why VH1 didn't give her the respect they gave Mindy, Kim (who I'd say has had a bigger post-FOL career) and Lisa, because they look to FOL with pride instead of disdain. Maybe if Nancy had given an interview or something VH1 might've cared more to get their facts in order. But remember, Nancy was "too good" to do a reunion movie, even tho Kim Fields did it, and she had more post-FOL success on Living Single than Nancy ever had on The Division.

1. how does "single mother" equal "lesbian"? Are you that naive? If they wanted to make Nancy look like a lesbian, they would've said "she's raising her child with her partner". Plenty of single mothers who aren't lesbians out there. Angelina Jolie's a single mother... does that mean I'm saying she likes fish? Even if Nancy was a lesbian, which she isn't, so what? You'd be surprised at the large number of gays and lesbians who love Facts Of Life, it's up there with The Golden Girls and Roseanne with us.

2. They did mention The Division, which believe it or not, wasn't really that big a show. And they did mention she's worked steadily too.

3. They painted Jo as "the tough one", which she was, and the clips they showed were ones that depicted her that way.

4. maybe the fact that Nancy resents her FOL past is why VH1 didn't give her the respect they gave Mindy, Kim (who I'd say has had a bigger post-FOL career) and Lisa, because they look to FOL with pride instead of disdain. Maybe if Nancy had given an interview or something VH1 might've cared more to get their facts in order. But remember, Nancy was "too good" to do a reunion movie, even tho Kim Fields did it, and she had more post-FOL success on Living Single than Nancy ever had on The Division.

Yeah, Queel Latifah, whoop dee doo. But who got to act with the likes of Sean Astin, Lou Diamond Phillips, Joe Pantonialo, Dixie Carter, Bonnie Bedelia, Randy Quaid, and the great Brian Dennehi. And not as guest stars on The Division or her other shows, either. Definitely not Tootie. And who cares if Tootie will be on a future show wit Lil Bow Wow. #2 biggie. Wow. And BTW, I wasn't the one that implied that Nancy was gay, either. Have ya ever heard of Code words or Code phraises. Like "He kicked the dust" meaning he's really dead, or "He played this one" really to mean he screwed this dude over big time. Some people use the term "single mother" to mean the lady is a lesbian raising a kid. And how do you know if Angelina Jolie is gay or not. Heck, they even claim Ms. Jolie even had a love affair with this one woman in the past. Angelina Jolie is just a plain ole' strange woman. And back to Nancy McKeon. She's not gay, not even by their said "code words" at all. She's not a single mother. She's a happily married mother who's still married to a Mr. Marc Andrus.


And remember, Angelina Jolie may be going out with Brad Pitt, but it was Brad Pitt who hit on Her, not her that hit on him. I never even seen them kiss, either. I think, based on Ms. Jolie's love past, that she may be gay in real life. But that's just Angelina Jolie, not anybody else. And I think Angelina Jolie is only hanging around Brad Pitt for sheer publicity. Now why do you really think she and Billy Bob Thornton divorced. If Angelina was really straight, she would still be with Billy Bob. Think about it. It's only time before Ms. Jolie really opens up to her own truth.

And no, in comparison, Nancy is not gay in any way at all. And no, Nancy is not even divorced at all, either. She's still married. And BTW, did all the former kid stars do interviews on VH1? No. And most of those had their facts told straight. Just not Nancy for some reason. And yes, The Division was big on cable, for about 3 seasons until they replaced one of the important ones with a low rate actress. And yes, Nancy's character on The Division was more big, so big in fact that they did major storylines based on her character. Compared to Nancy's character on The Division, Kim Fields character on Living Single would be minor. I've seen Living Single, alot of Living Single eppisodes in fact, and I know that Queen Latifah was gettin' most of the lines, and the other lady or 2 ladies other than Kim Fields were getting more lines, too. Kim was just like the little sister on the show, basically the one who hung around the others 2 or 3 ladies during the run. Kim's character on LS was probably the lady who had the least storylines on the show. QL was the one, of course, who had the most. So yes, based on shows and movies with major storylines around their characters, Nancy had it more successful than Kim.

And also, I just finished watching the VH1 100 greatest child stars eppisode and seen Kim Fields turn come up, and they said after Facts was over, she was in Living Single for 4 seasons and produced and directed shows and cartoons afterwards(not even starring in them). Man, that's the same # of seasons Nancy McKeon has starred on The Division. And Nancy has been on movies both TV and Feature Films in between Facts and The Division and after TD. IE The Tracy Thurman movie, Love Honor and Obey TLMM*, A Mothers Gift, Teresa's Tattoo, The Wrong Woman, In My Sister's Shadow, Comfort and Joy, and Category 6 DOD*. All these Nancy has been in as a main character. 4 of these listed are either on vhs or dvd. Nancy has been in 2 miniseries. How many has Tootie aka Kim Fields been in miniserieswise? I could only think of one film on tape or dvd Kim has been in. Me and Mrs. Jones in which she starred on as a main character. That's just 1 under Kim Field's belt. And that movie was just a romance type movie that to me kinda didn't fit my tastes for romance-comedy-drama hybrid types of movies. So yes, overall, Nancy McKeon had it more successful than Kim Fields to this day. Maybe not during the 90's. But when it comes between these 2, the 21st century belongs to Nancy McKeon.

Some people use the term "single mother" to mean the lady is a lesbian raising a kid.


:lol: That is the most stupidest thing I have ever heard.


Now why do you really think she and Billy Bob Thornton divorced. If Angelina was really straight, she would still be with Billy Bob. Think about it. It's only time before Ms. Jolie really opens up to her own truth.



Just because a woman divorces a man doesn't make them gay. Angelina is probably looking for the right guy.

Okay, here's something ELSE you have to realize----maybe the people at VH1 know that Success is not defined by starring roles. See---for Nancy McKeon to have been more famous on the Division, people actually have to WATCH the show. Just because they gave her character major story lines doesn't mean that she WAS the show. Meanwhile, Kim Fields, while maybe not having as many lines (which I really think isn't the truth---she was a major character in LS), could have been a more memorable character, thereby being more FAMOUS than Nancy McKeon and having a higher TVQ--which is probably what VH1 goes by, anyway. It seems like they're that kind of station.

And the other thing is that---you have to figure---YOU seem to be a very huge Nancy McKeon fan. Get over the fact that not everyone is. I happened to love Charlotte Rae, Angela Lansbury, Tyne Daly, William Windom, Len Cariou, Jerry Orbach, Stephen Sondheim, Jerry Herman, Jule Styne...(well, you get the point), A LOT more than I EVER liked Nancy McKeon. It's a matter of opinion. YOU can claim that Nancy McKeon is more famous than the rest of them, but really, it just depends on what you watch. I've talked to people before who had no idea who Nancy McKeon was when I would talk about The Division, but if I'd bring up Kim Fields, they knew who she was. So, get over it. omg. People make mistakes and screw up facts all the time. That's why they call it show biz.

And besides that---they apparently accomplished their goal. You watched it. And now you're complaining about it(which just gives them free publicity and makes others want to watch it to catch those mistakes). Way to go! You're promoting something that you didn't like.

And remember, Angelina Jolie may be going out with Brad Pitt, but it was Brad Pitt who hit on Her, not her that hit on him. I never even seen them kiss, either. I think, based on Ms. Jolie's love past, that she may be gay in real life. But that's just Angelina Jolie, not anybody else. And I think Angelina Jolie is only hanging around Brad Pitt for sheer publicity. Now why do you really think she and Billy Bob Thornton divorced. If Angelina was really straight, she would still be with Billy Bob. Think about it.

so everyone who gets divorced is doing so because they're gay? LOL.

Why would anybody, straight or gay, want Billy Bob Thornton when they can have Brad Pitt?

Okay, here's something ELSE you have to realize----maybe the people at VH1 know that Success is not defined by starring roles. See---for Nancy McKeon to have been more famous on the Division, people actually have to WATCH the show. Just because they gave her character major story lines doesn't mean that she WAS the show. Meanwhile, Kim Fields, while maybe not having as many lines (which I really think isn't the truth---she was a major character in LS), could have been a more memorable character, thereby being more FAMOUS than Nancy McKeon and having a higher TVQ--which is probably what VH1 goes by, anyway. It seems like they're that kind of station.

And the other thing is that---you have to figure---YOU seem to be a very huge Nancy McKeon fan. Get over the fact that not everyone is. I happened to love Charlotte Rae, Angela Lansbury, Tyne Daly, William Windom, Len Cariou, Jerry Orbach, Stephen Sondheim, Jerry Herman, Jule Styne...(well, you get the point), A LOT more than I EVER liked Nancy McKeon. It's a matter of opinion. YOU can claim that Nancy McKeon is more famous than the rest of them, but really, it just depends on what you watch. I've talked to people before who had no idea who Nancy McKeon was when I would talk about The Division, but if I'd bring up Kim Fields, they knew who she was. So, get over it. omg. People make mistakes and screw up facts all the time. That's why they call it show biz.

And besides that---they apparently accomplished their goal. You watched it. And now you're complaining about it(which just gives them free publicity and makes others want to watch it to catch those mistakes). Way to go! You're promoting something that you didn't like.


you hit the mark perfectly. The ONLY people I know who ever watched The Division were hardcore Jo fans. To many people, it was just another Lifetime show. I mentioned to a friend I was shocked that Nancy was by far the lowest FOL-er, and he said "oh, she should be higher because of that cancelled Lifetime show, right?" and laughed.

Say what you want between Living Single vs. The Division, LS was a more popular show. It still runs on reruns and it went off the air seven years ago. I admit I never was a frequent watcher of the show, but Regine (Kim's character) was always a major part in the episodes I have seen. While Kim will always be Tootie (in the sense that Ron Howard will always be Opie or Richie depending on the person), she did break the typecast and enjoyed success as an adult actress after FOL ended. And you can bash "but it's a Queen Latifah show!!" all you want, Queen Latifah brings in money and is respected in Hollywood, many people would be honored to work with her.

so everyone who gets divorced is doing so because they're gay? LOL.

Why would anybody, straight or gay, want Billy Bob Thornton when they can have Brad Pitt?

:lol: No kidding. Billy Bob is nothin but a dumb hick bastard that makes rednecks look like Rockefellers.

Lets watch the language please.

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Ok...I think all this arguing about who was where on the list should stop...they ALL made the list....awesome for FOL entirly. I was happy about that. And I have never heard that referring to a woman as being a "single mother" automatically makes her a homosexual. Thats bulls***. Then would that be like saying all "single fathers" are gay as well? Or all "plant lovers" smoke pot? Don't think so. But I think we should all be happy about all of the FOL child stars making the list.

Ok...I think all this arguing about who was where on the list should stop...they ALL made the list....awesome for FOL entirly. I was happy about that. And I have never heard that referring to a woman as being a "single mother" automatically makes her a homosexual. Thats bulls***. Then would that be like saying all "single fathers" are gay as well? Or all "plant lovers" smoke pot? Don't think so. But I think we should all be happy about all of the FOL child stars making the list.

Tecnically, not all FOL stars made the list. What about Macanzie Astin and Sherrie Krenn. They were both on the show, too, for more than 1 year. Mac was on for more than 3 seasons, in fact. Sherrie was on for 2 or 3 seasons, as well. That's a long time, ya know. Those 2 didn't make the list.

I think that Gizmo1 was talking about all the main girls and besides those 2 didn't really do anything before the facts of life from what I hear.Do you always have to start arguing on these boards its getting kind of ridiculous now.

Actually Angelina is bisexual. She openly had an affair with another woman (I think it was before Billy Bob). But that still has nothing to do with her being a single mom.

Any woman who's separated, divorced, widowed, with children is considered a single mother.

I don't think VH1 dissed her at all. The character of Jo WAS a little tough - what she called a "tomboy". Plenty of girls I knew acted like she did but it didn't make them any less feminine or a lesbian.

I think that Gizmo1 was talking about all the main girls and besides those 2 didn't really do anything before the facts of life from what I hear.Do you always have to start arguing on these boards its getting kind of ridiculous now.

Nope. I wasn't arguing.

you hit the mark perfectly. The ONLY people I know who ever watched The Division were hardcore Jo fans. To many people, it was just another Lifetime show. I mentioned to a friend I was shocked that Nancy was by far the lowest FOL-er, and he said "oh, she should be higher because of that cancelled Lifetime show, right?" and laughed.

Say what you want between Living Single vs. The Division, LS was a more popular show. It still runs on reruns and it went off the air seven years ago. I admit I never was a frequent watcher of the show, but Regine (Kim's character) was always a major part in the episodes I have seen. While Kim will always be Tootie (in the sense that Ron Howard will always be Opie or Richie depending on the person), she did break the typecast and enjoyed success as an adult actress after FOL ended. And you can bash "but it's a Queen Latifah show!!" all you want, Queen Latifah brings in money and is respected in Hollywood, many people would be honored to work with her.

Living Single was only more popular than The Division because it was on the Free FOX channel. The Division, on the other hand, was on cable. Cable costs money per month. Who wants to pay on a monthly thing to watch tv? You were right.
Yet, for cable(payed) tv, The Division was still very damn popular. It was in the top 10 or top 12 for basic cable(still tolled) tv. Some sights out there even claim if The Division was on regular tv like Fox, CBS, or any of the other top 6 channels, it would be extremely popular, like top 10 or top 12. Let's just say this is a top 6 vs cable thing. Heck, Living Single would be more popular than The Shield, Spongebob Squarepant, or The Dead Zone, all 3 shows on basic cable.


And the Queen Latifah bringing in the money in Hollywood thing. Guess what, Queen Latifah became even more popular with the Steve Martin movie Bringing Down the House. That movie basically has reinvented The Queen.

And on to the # sceme. Who said Nancy should have the higher # out of the 4? Heck, yeah Kim had the highest # out of the 4. Guess what? Lisa Whelchel had the 2nd highest # out of the 4. Does that mean Lisa Whelchel had a better acting career than Nancy McKeon with a better TV show or movies? Didn't you think they may be ranking them based on child star cuteness rather than post child star success? Yes Tootie was the cutest out of the 4, followed by Blair, and then Natalie, and finally Jo. And if you read the ultimate list, You'll find out that the #1 was Gary Coleman, one who also had it real hard as an adult.

In my opinion, SOME OF you guys are blowing this out of proportion. All people make mistakes. Might as well get over it.

I agree with Erica H. Sure a lot of us had to rewind and listen again and were a little disappointed at first but it was a mistake. We all make 'em and move on:) Hopefully it wasn't true lol

well, I don't totally buy the "pay vs. free" thing as something to help or hurt a television shows popularity.

About 4 years ago, the most popular series on television was The Sopranos, even tho it aired on HBO, which gets even less subscribers than FX, Lifetime and USA, but yet it was the most talked about show on television and was probably bigger (at the time) than ANYTHING on free television.

Times have changed, cable is no stigma, shows like Monk and The Shield do wonderfully, better than many shows on the networks. This isn't like 20 years ago when only so many people had cable and they were niche.

Not that I think Nancy McKeon is gay, but if Jo wasn't butch.... nobody in the entire world was.
She was always my least favorite of the four anyways. I'm glad the other three ranked higher.

Not that I think Nancy McKeon is gay, but if Jo wasn't butch.... nobody in the entire world was.
She was always my least favorite of the four anyways. I'm glad the other three ranked higher.

Jo wasn't butch. She was just tough hearted. Being a girl who's tough minded doesn't automatically make her butch, ya know. And BTW, Jo was the reason FOL's ratings soared during season 2. Not Blair, not Tootie, not Natalie, but because of Jo. Do you think FOL would have been as popular if Jo didn't exist, but they kept Molly or the Blonde with a baseball cap from season 1 as the 4th girl instead? You tell me what you think, barwars.

I think you missed the part where "barwars" stated his/her opinion. You CAN have a different one. You're allowed.

Ok...I think all this arguing about who was where on the list should stop...they ALL made the list....awesome for FOL entirly. I was happy about that. And I have never heard that referring to a woman as being a "single mother" automatically makes her a homosexual. Thats bulls***. Then would that be like saying all "single fathers" are gay as well? Or all "plant lovers" smoke pot? Don't think so. But I think we should all be happy about all of the FOL child stars making the list.


I agree w/ Gizmo on this one. Whoever started this is acting really... well, I don't wanna say immature, but this really gotta stop. This is bad as the whole fight that went on here around the time Nick@Nite was still airin eps of FOL. We need to be happy that they're just even on the list and those of you who are makin a big fuss, let's remember it's not the 80s anymore and the 'good ol days' ain't what they used to be.
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And for the person who said about Angelina Jolie not bein straight cause she didn't stay with B.B. Thornton, what's that? Honestly, that's like sayin the fact I'm Wiccan and like Willow/Tara from BuffyTVS makes me a lesbian... :rolleyes: Makes no sense whatsoever, but hey; whatever floats your boat. :wave:

Jo wasn't butch.

she didn't look butch in seasons 6 and 7 where she had the spikey mullet?

Okay, I get it. Let's not fight anymore on this board.

And yes I said Anjelina Jolie wasn't straight. She's not totally gay, either. She's Bisexual. She even admitted it on one of her interviews. Not to mention Mrs. Tomb Raider star also kissed her own bro. on the lips. Yuck! Anjelina Jolie is just one wierd chick. I don't even know why I brought her up on a FOL board anyways. She was never even on the show. And I never, ever, not once, said or claimed myself, that Nancy McKeon or any of the characters she's portrayed, were gay. Never. I'm only saying I've found links on the internet by people(the real lowlifes who write these online pages) who claim she's gay. And I would't even have done this thread if VH1 didn't claim Nancy McKeon as a single mom. Man when I heard that on TV, I was totally offended.

Okay, I get it. Let's not fight anymore on this board.

And yes I said Anjelina Jolie wasn't straight. She's not totally gay, either. She's Bisexual. She even admitted it on one of her interviews. Not to mention Mrs. Tomb Raider star also kissed her own bro. on the lips. Yuck! Anjelina Jolie is just one wierd chick. I don't even know why I brought her up on a FOL board anyways. She was never even on the show. And I never, ever, not once, said or claimed myself, that Nancy McKeon or any of the characters she's portrayed, were gay. Never. I'm only saying I've found links on the internet by people(the real lowlifes who write these online pages) who claim she's gay. And I would't even have done this thread if VH1 didn't claim Nancy McKeon as a single mom. Man when I heard that on TV, I was totally offended.

listen: Nancy is straight.

But... why do you act like it's such a bad thing that a lot of lesbians looked up to Jo in the 1980's? No, Jo wasn't a lesbian, but in a pre-Roseanne, pre-Ellen world, she was the closest thing that a teenage lesbian could see on tv and identify with. Believe it or not, I don't think there was anything wrong with the fact that Jo brought in a lesbian audience to the show (I mean, you heard people say Kim Fields brought black people to the show, was there anything wrong with that?). I know plenty of 30-something lesbians who tell me they knew Jo was straight, but at the same time she was the closest thing to a lesbian that they could look up to on TV back then.

listen: Nancy is straight.

But... why do you act like it's such a bad thing that a lot of lesbians looked up to Jo in the 1980's? No, Jo wasn't a lesbian, but in a pre-Roseanne, pre-Ellen world, she was the closest thing that a teenage lesbian could see on tv and identify with. Believe it or not, I don't think there was anything wrong with the fact that Jo brought in a lesbian audience to the show (I mean, you heard people say Kim Fields brought black people to the show, was there anything wrong with that?). I know plenty of 30-something lesbians who tell me they knew Jo was straight, but at the same time she was the closest thing to a lesbian that they could look up to on TV back then.

Okay, you got me.

Let this one go now. Okay?

I didn't even know that she was that much of an icon back then.

It be better if we didn't even post anymore on this one thread. Let's post on other threads. Happy stuff that is. I see this thread is doing bad allready.

And I would't even have done this thread if VH1 didn't claim Nancy McKeon as a single mom. Man when I heard that on TV, I was totally offended.

You really are ignorant, aren't you??

You really are ignorant, aren't you??

No.

I think that Gizmo1 was talking about all the main girls and besides those 2 didn't really do anything before the facts of life from what I hear.Do you always have to start arguing on these boards its getting kind of ridiculous now.

Thank you and yes you are correct, I was talking about the main girls. ;)

I don't know but i agree with the comments that Nancy should have scored a lot higher on that list. I love that they recognize Kim Field's greatness though! #Vindicated.