My vote for who will never be caught is Donald Eugene Webb and Victor Manuel Gerena. Webb brutally beat to death the cop who chased him after he committed a jewelery store robbery in the early eighties somewhere in Pennsylvania. Being that it happened in, I believe 1983, he has been on the FBI's ten most wanted list for a very long time. He is probably dead. Also, Gerena is the one responsible for the armored car robbery in which very much money was stolen and he injected his coworkers (He was an employee at the time) with an unknown substance, it had no effect. He has also been on the FBI's ten most wanted list. He is believed to have ties to hardline rebels in Puerts Rico who want independence from the U.S.A.

My vote for who I am surprised has not been caught is Blockledge. I believe his first name is Richard and he killed his girlfriend/wife, Tanya Koprick. He was an upset pharmacy student, and was dismissed from the university due to poor grades. This happened I believe in the late 80's. I am just surprised they have not caught this maniac.

Please post your thoughts as I think this will be an interesting topic??!!

has always struck me as very much the intellectual - the kind that can use his creative ways and superior intellect to evade authorities for as long as he wants to.

I believe one fugitive and one possible fugitive that might never be found are first fugitive William Bradford Bishop who murdered his entire family in the late 70s - Bishop was already in his mid 50s then and by now would be basically an aging senior citizen if not already dead. If he is still on the run it's basically a lock that his knowledge of the international scene as described in the segment is helping him elude capture. Another possible fugitive is Dale Kirkstetter who was accused of aiding a raid on platinum plant he worked at - it is possible that Dale was not involved at all and was murdered by the robbers but many here feel he was a willing participant. Either way he would be another one possibly in his 80s by now if indeed he went on the lam.

I'd like to add to this one person I was surprised to see captured is Jesse James Hollywood - I thought his dad with all his mafia connections would have kept his son hidden much longer then he did although I always believed he would be eventually flushed out. Also one capture I wished never would have happened was the case of Margo Freshwater - I have signed the "Free Margo" petition and hope that she is granted clemency as I don't believe her to be a criminal just someone who was caught up in the web of a madman's trail of murder.

Later.

What makes Bocklidge an intellectual?? The fact that he failed out of pharmacy school? Intellectuals are more oriented with philosophy, psychology and areas that require heavy reading and writing. Pharmacy requires a lot of studying, but it is more suited to the common overachiever. Bocklidge was simply not capable of succeeding and was more of a sociopath, in that he blamed everybody else for his shortcomings as a student. Remember how he went looking to murder the dean and the board that voted to keep him out? People who believe that the whole world is out to get them, see everyone and everything as a means to achieve something. This guy was a sociopath scumbag. Ted Bundy was highly intelligent and he was caught. Many highly intelligent criminals are apprehended. My theory is that he is hiding out in Northern Canada in a sparsely populated region.

Two words - Mike Riemer.

Did he kill his girlfriend, Diana Robertson, like I believe, or was he a victim of an unknown serial killer? Either way, there is still a fugitive at large that has killed at least three people, Diana and the two other campers who were killed a few months earlier. Both Diana and the female camper both had tube socks wrapped around their necks.

I actually do hope he gets caught for the hidious crime he committed however true intellect can not be measured in my opinion by how one does in school. I believe that Richard Bocklidge in many ways is a very intelligent individual and unfortunatley has not put his intelligence to good ends. I think he is another case of someone who was at one point extremely ambitious and perhaps might be an overachiever. The problem is that is cases with some people due to whatever demons they have not gotten rid of over the course of their life (and I would not be surprised if there are a ton of skeletons in Bocklidge's closet) that something can trigger them into a form of psychosis where all that ambition and energy is focussed onto something sinister than on more positive endevors. I think when Bocklidge was denied re-admission to the college I believe it sent his rapidly deteriorating mind over the edge and resulted in the horrid crime we have on our hands now.

One of the final symptoms of people such as Bocklidge is as you stated "the whole world is out to get them" another common statement from these people is "that the devil has consumed their soul". They begin to live their life in a constant state of fear and panic and one of two things usually happens - if turned inward usually a nervous breakdown and if outward an extreme act of violence as in this case. However if Bocklidge has been able to at least bury some of his demons since the time of the murder it is my OPINION that he is using all his intellect and focussing all his energy that at one point must have been focussed on more positive endevors on evading police - I don't think Dick Bocklidge will ever be caught personally but hope for society that he is because unless he has recieved treatment there is nothing stopping him from having another violent episode triggered by a benign event again.

the fugitives who will never be caught in my opinion are the person or persons responsible for the murder of the Morgan guy, Charles i believe.
government people are too heavily involved and are covering up the case.

I agree, the killers of Charles Morgan are going to be very difficult to catch. It's been 27 years since he was killed and the police STILL don't have a suspect.

were both professional hits or had the looks of a professional hit. Therefore finding the hitman might be small potatoes compared to finding who ordered the hit - Most of us can make a pretty good guess about who or what is behind a lot of these "mysterious deaths" I mean I believe in Morgan's case it had to be someone with access to some type of government agency. I mean LSD or whatever drug they gave him is pretty hard (and expensive) for Joe Schmoe to come by and an extreme way of intimidating someone. I think with Morgan, Casolaro, Doug Johnston, Tommy Burkett, Kevin Ives & Don Henry, Norman Ladner - the key to all of these lie in the government in the late 70s-late 80s. All these individuals ran afoul of either the FBI/witness protection program/drug ring gammit or our defense/CIA blackhawk program (for lack of a better term)

Casolaro & Morgan were both at the time of their death looking into various government cover ups or incidents surrounding our defense program. Whether it be the CIA or military defense or whatever. I think in both men's case they got pretty much close to revealing some information that would point out some corruption or flaws in our defense program. In Morgan's case it probably had to due with rouge CIA agents making a few bucks on the side selling weapons or information to the contras and in Danny Casolaro's case I won't even begin to speculate because I believe the young journalist hit upon a motherload of information that could have possibly resulted in the jailing and/or impeachment of several top government officials due to scandals in the Republican party in the 1980s. Doug Johnston is the true "innocent victim" in this whole plot because he didn't have any knowledge of any of these scandals and just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time as the hitman intended to kill Don Devereux who I believe by coming forward with his story on UM may have saved his life due to the knowledge that he was being targeted now being so widely known.


In the cases of Ives & Henry, Burkett and possibly Norman Ladner - all four seemed to run afoul of the drug rings in the southern United States in the 1980s-early 90s. There are a number of books on the topic of Mena Arkansas and Barry Seal and various drug cover ups and the FBI's involvement in these cover-ups involving the witness protection program. Although none of the allegations can be proven it is stunnng that all four youngsters deaths seemed to circle around the drug trade in one form or another.

Later.

The people who killed Dave Bocks. I don't think they will be caught since no one even knows who "they" are, except for themselves that is.

Here are some fugitives or suspects that I am surprised to see have not been tried and convicted for their crimes:

1. Sam Patel - suspected of murdering Joan Jefferies

2. Paul Pollis _ suspected of murdering his very large wife with aid from his own parents, I believe, in Girard Ohio.

3. Sherman - man who placed wife's skull outside his favorite hangout.

Note: I believe Timothy McClure is innocent and did not kill his mother on his wedding night in Reno Nevada due to lack of motive and the fact that by all accounts he had such a close relationshipo with her.

I don't know what to think about McClure but there was a guy who I spoke with on this board around a year or so ago who worked with Tim McClure for several years after the death of his mother and in his words "Tim was one strange dude" - Apparently their job involved a lot of "people skills" and being able to work in groups and Tim would sort of keep to himself and always seemed very leary of people being around him and gave a lot of people "strange vibes"

take that for what it's worth.

Later.

i'm shocked they caught the green river killer.

the segment just on today about Angela Hammond. That guy will never be caught.

that guy has probably already been executed. Her abducter is said to be Kenneth McDuff, who was executed in 98. Famous serial killer for being twice sentenced to death row. A and E also did an American Justice on him. Search this message board for Hammond info and you will find links where this connection is made.

whenever government people are involved, rest assured years will pass before killers are caught

whenever government people are involved, rest assured years will pass before killers are caught
I am just wondering how many pple here believe in govt killings? I am still sceptical. Maybe cos I belong to such a small country (Singapore), where the govt does everything for you, so I tend to not believe that my govt is capable of this.

The people who killed Dave Bocks. I don't think they will be caught since no one even knows who "they" are, except for themselves that is.

I think that the people that killed Dave Bocks will eventually get theirs as it is almost certain that they were employees of the same nuclear plant. And if they were, they'll probably die of cancer from their exposure to the radiation and toxic fumes from the plant. :mad:

I think that the people that killed Dave Bocks will eventually get theirs as it is almost certain that they were employees of the same nuclear plant. And if they were, they'll probably die of cancer from their exposure to the radiation and toxic fumes from the plant. :mad:

Well maybe. It could have happened already. Remember from the end of the episode how the NLO plant has been inactive for 16 years now, though the building still remains with Bocks' remains somewhere in the premisis. I also feel those responsible were employed at the same plant. I

It would be ironic if that were to happen as they killed him to keep him quiet about safety violations, only to die themselves from the results of those very safety violations. It'd be karmic too.

im surprised heather tallchief has not been caught...


most of the deaths having to do with US soldiers and apparent cover ups wont be solved in my opinion

He was barely 40 when he killed his family in '76, not in his mid-50s as another poster estimated. I am extremely surprised there does not seem to be more emphasis on the Bishop case. His name barely shows up on a Google search. That's the one guy I'm surprised has not been caught.

Joseph Maloney. Geez I wish he would get caught. Soon.

jeeps

I am just wondering how many pple here believe in govt killings? I am still sceptical. Maybe cos I belong to such a small country (Singapore), where the govt does everything for you, so I tend to not believe that my govt is capable of this.

Oh believe me, If you live in the United States, and think for yourself with half of a brain, you know how corrupt things are. In this country, the only thing that matters is money. With the so called "free-enterprise economy", it brings out the worst in people. Greed is so rampant in this country, just trust me, government cover ups and murders are much more common than the average person would be willing to believe or admit.

Does anybody remember the case of the guy who killed his whole family and disappeared, only to be seen by a former friend all the way in Rome, Italy? Is that one of the cases being discussed in this thread? I've always wondered if they caught that guy.

The Danny Casolaro case comes to mind as a case where they will never capture who killed him, currently he "committed" suicide."

Bugsy Siegel's killer.

too many people in the american government are corrupt, power hungry and therefore
do not like people talking...

too many people in the american government are corrupt, power hungry and therefore
do not like people talking...

Until they can get a book deal, just ask "Deep Throat."

Does anybody remember the case of the guy who killed his whole family and disappeared, only to be seen by a former friend all the way in Rome, Italy? Is that one of the cases being discussed in this thread? I've always wondered if they caught that guy.

Thats the Bishop case talked about above.

Donald Eugene Webb would be 74 years old today. I hope they do find him, dead or alive. www.fbi.gov/mostwant/topten/fugitives/webb.htm

Dumb question: was Webb profiled on UM and on 12-13-89? From that episode's synopsis:

the FBI hunt for a Massachusetts man wanted, according to this report, in connection with the murder of a Pennsylvania police chief

I want to say that I've seen Webb's UM segment but if I have, it has been years since I've seen it.

Webb is either out of the country or dead. He was mentioned on the very FIRST UM episode when Burr went through the-then FBI top 10! Victor Gerena was also on the list and he's still at large. AMW has recently profiled him.

I think Webb is still alive and yes, he's definitely out of the country. He's probably in Europe or central America. Genera is known to be in Cuba and Castro will never turn him in.

i dont think the bowling alley murderers, the I 70 murderer, and the person responsible for most of the missing kids will be found

Interesting they showed the Danny Casolaro case today. 8/12/2005 I justed finished the book The Octopus: The Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro very interesting read for those interested in the case.

Interesting they showed the Danny Casolaro case today. 8/12/2005 I justed finished the book The Octopus: The Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro very interesting read for those interested in the case.

Cool. I didn't even know that a book was written about the Danny Casolaro case. Where did you get it? I'd love to get a copy.

Interesting they showed the Danny Casolaro case today. 8/12/2005 I justed finished the book The Octopus: The Secret Government and the Death of Danny Casolaro very interesting read for those interested in the case.

One of my law professors was involved in the INSLAW litigation back in the early eighties. She never met Casalero personally, but she is familar with the case. She thinks the brief case containing all of his research was stolen prompting him to commit suicide.

Cool. I didn't even know that a book was written about the Danny Casolaro case. Where did you get it? I'd love to get a copy.


I'm a firm believer in using Andrew Carnegie's guilt to my advantage. I checked the book out from the library.

One of my law professors was involved in the INSLAW litigation back in the early eighties. She never met Casalero personally, but she is familar with the case. She thinks the brief case containing all of his research was stolen prompting him to commit suicide.

Then you have got to read the book! No way this guy commited suicide. No way...

Donald Eugene Webb will be caught in the near future. Please watch. He is also living right here in the U.S. There is no reason DEW shold be running loose with this Internet and modern technology. People like us have to speak up when we see a look-a-like, ect.

Donald Eugene Webb will be caught in the near future. Please watch. He is also living right here in the U.S. There is no reason DEW shold be running loose with this Internet and modern technology. People like us have to speak up when we see a look-a-like, ect.
Wimpydodo, do you know something we don't?

A few to add to the list, maybe of avoiding capture:

Megan Curl's killer or killers

The Zodiac Killer of course, if they caught him I would like to see his biography to see if the books written about him have some similarities.

Elizabeth Campbell's abductor, was he really an Asian man?

The East Area Rapist

Chad Maurer's killer(s) will probably never be apprehended thanks to the Chicago PD's mishandling and loss of key evidence such as the jacket that was in Chad's car which didn't belong to him.

Zodiac,DB Cooper, Webb.. there are a ton of them that were profiled that won't be caught and the key word here is alive.

As for a question posed earlier why do people in the US believe that the government can be responsible for unsolved crimes? Well first of all, remember that we're Americans, we didn't get to be Americans because we enjoyed a lovely relationship with the last people that ruled us. We tend to be independent and suspicious.

Second of all, despite this, the US government has SADLY admitted to crimes, testing on citizens without their knowledge,Slavery/Jim Crowe laws were sanctioned if not endoresed, Internment during WW2 of minorities, domestic spying programs since the 1900s and a list too numerous to continue with, and all of them have given many good law abiding, flag waiving Americans pause to think.. yes its possible that the government Could do that.

The people that will never be caught are Gloria Schulze, Kenneth Frank, Frank Montenegro , William Bradford Bishop, Victor Genera, Donald Eugene Webb, Robert Fisher and James Bulger. I wish to God that they would be captured but I know they never will be. Victor Genera is in Cuba and protected by Fidel Castro. Unless we invade Cuba, he will remain free until he dies. I also believe Donald Eugene Webb is still alive but he is probably in his 60s. He's definitely in Europe and nobody knows what he looks like now. It's been almost 30 years. He is one of the lucky criminals who will get away with murder. The FBI should remove him from the ten most wanted list. There is no hope for his capture. I do believe however that Rufino Castenada will eventually be captured since AMW has broadcast his case many times. Maybe Robert Fisher will be caught but I'm not holding my breath. I hope I'm wrong. He should've gotten a divorce. Murder is not answer, Especially when it involves the children who were innocent. :mad:

Rufino Castenada has been caught, according to amw.com, in October '07. Finally. He's one of the ones I always hoped would be caught after seeing it on both shows.

I would be very surprised (but relieved) if they ever catch the man who raped and shot "Debby" as well as the case of the female victim who was raped (by two different men, I think) while on a canoe trip with her son.

But then again, I never thought they would have ever solved the double homicide of Joxanne Jeeves and her son.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=173479

Although the ones who ordered the murder of Mickey Thompson and his wife were caught and convicted, the two men (African-American I believe) who actually committed the crime are still at large and nobody knows who they are.

I dont know if anyone posted this, or saw this.. if its been posted forgive me

From the WIKIPEDIA website-

Donald Eugene Webb (born July 14, 1931 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma) is a fugitive from justice wanted for allegedly killing police chief Gregory Adams in the small community of Saxonburg, Pennsylvania on December 4, 1980. On May 4, 1981, he became the 375th fugitive to be placed on the Federal Bureau of Investigations's "Ten Most Wanted" list. Still at large after more than a quarter of a century, Webb was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted List longer than any other fugitive since its creation in 1950, remaining on it for 25 years, 10 months, and 27 days.

He was removed from the list on March 31, 2007, without ever being located. He was replaced by Shauntay L. Henderson, who was caught on her very first day as a "Top Tenner." (Webb was placed on the list before Henderson was even born.)

That Wadatta, rapist and hammer-basher guy, surprised he wasn't caught. How do you miss a crazy dude with dreadlocks and a withered arm?

Brad Bishop on both counts. Murdered his wife, mother, and three sons aged 5 to 14 in 1976, then disappeared.

I'm still surprised Sal Guardado was never caught. This guy was such a loose cannon, you'd think he would have slipped up over the years.

The killers of Sherry Lyall Hart as well - that's a maddening case, pushing a woman over a cliff and running off before the trial can even start.

Jesslyn Rich's murderer will probably never be caught either. :mad:

Brad Bishop's at the top of my list, for sure. How can a guy that's had multiple confirmed sightings all over Europe still elude authorities for over 30 years?

Whitey Bulger, the man who ordered the hit on former World Jai-Alai president John Callahan (and many more).

DEW.

"Carol's" attacker.

Kevin Ives' and Don Henry's murderers.

Jay Durham's assailant.

Dwayne McCorkendale's killer.


I actually think the I-70/I-35 shootings have a slightly better chance of being solved than the above...and I still think Donald Blom looks just like those composite sketches.

That Wadatta, rapist and hammer-basher guy, surprised he wasn't caught. How do you miss a crazy dude with dreadlocks and a withered arm?

Considering that Wadadda speaks Spanish, French and English. He could be in any number of Latin American countries.

He could easily pass for Dominican, Haitian, Brazilian, Jamaican, & Antiguan.

I'm not surprised he hasn't been found. He could be hiding in the hills of any number of those countries.


-You also have to consider he cut his dreadlocks and may have a cast or always wear a glove over that hand.

Angela Hammond's kidnapper (likely killer) will likely never be caught. I've always maintained it ISN'T Rob Shaver who did it

Paul Polis looks like he got away with murder, there isn't a case out there that screams "circumstantial evidence" to the ying yang, but still.......no proof

Mike Morris accused of putting a hit on his wife Mary. It was the case of the mistake hit that killed "another" Mary Morris accidentally. Who in the hell was he talking to when he called his own wife's cell phone after her frantic 911 call? My guess, the contract killer. $700,000 of life insurance money later Morris is rich and free

Larry Gibson will never be solved, yeah I know he did jail time but the body is probably in a cement block

Don Dixon, friend of Eric Tamiyasu had SOMETHING to do with the death, ditto for Sheriff Wampler, but they seemed to be covering for each other and have compared notes to a tee

Hmm, yes Waddada, I think Waddada, is probably out of the country so I agree with masterminds theory. Waddada as mastermind pointed out, can speak at least three different languages. Spanish, French and English. So besides being anywhere in the United States he could be in various Central and South American countries as well as in Canada, the UK, France, Spain, etc. If he is in the United States, my guess is he is in a large urban area such as Miami or New York where he had earlier ties.

Others I am surprised have remained on the run so long, Brad Bishop, but again he spoke 5 different languages and could be anywhere. He is another one I suspect is out of the country. There have been several confirmed sightings of him in Western Europe. Bishop speaks 5 languages, English, Spanish, French, Italian and Serbo-Croatian. Donald Eugene Webb, although it is suspected that Greg Adams might have shot Webb before Webb escaped and that Webb might have died later on from the gunshot wound.

Mike Morris accused of putting a hit on his wife Mary. It was the case of the mistake hit that killed "another" Mary Morris accidentally. Who in the hell was he talking to when he called his own wife's cell phone after her frantic 911 call? My guess, the contract killer. $700,000 of life insurance money later Morris is rich and free

Are we free to talk about the two Mary Murders, administrator?

Are we free to talk about the two Mary Murders, administrator?

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Pretty sure there was a thread on the case that got locked. That was before my time, so I'm not sure why--but it was probably for a good reason.

Originally Posted by Mastermind
Are we free to talk about the two Mary Murders, administrator?

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I seem to remember that there was huge fight on this board between the 2nd Mary Morris relatives, the suspected disgruntled employee at the clinic & the 2nd Mary Morris husband.

I think most of the threads are locked.

It's shame cause I would really like to discuss that case. :(

BRAD BISHOP or BRADFORD BISHOP- there should've been a freaking international manhunt for him


instead of a "hey let us know if you see him on vacation in Europe"


i remember watching that case maybe 10 years ago as a kid and that SOB still hasn't been caught lol

i remember watching that case maybe 10 years ago as a kid and that SOB still hasn't been caught lol

Unless your a spy or terrorist, it's difficult to get other international jurisdictions to care or cooperate as much as domestic jurisdictions.

Was Brad Bishop even on the 10 most wanted list?

i remember watching that case maybe 10 years ago as a kid and that SOB still hasn't been caught lol

If your a caucasian male going to lam it, the best place to do so is in Europe.IMHO. As long as you can speak the language of that nation fluently, no one is going to question who your not a native. Plus, there a fewer US ties between police jurisdictions there than in places like Mexico or Latin America.

Well, Bishop is very smart and if anyone could hide out in plain sight it would be him. If I remember right there have been confirmed sightings of him in Italy, Switzerland and Sweden. Lots of people have gone on the lam in Europe. Ira Einhorn hid out over there for nearly 20 years. Joseph Maloney fled to over there and is probably still somewhere over there if he is still alive. John Hawkins was on the run in Europe for 5 years before he was captured in the Netherlands. Steve Wilson was on the run for 8 years, he was captured in England although he spent most of his time on the run in Florida. But yes, to be honest Europe, if you are a white male is the ideal place to hide out because it seems for the most part, European police could really give a crap less if some American is on the run over there.

that's sad tho...what if Bishop has a new family and kills them? lol

that's sad tho...what if Bishop has a new family and kills them? lol

I don't mean to sound unfeeling or macabre here, but investigation wise, that would be the best thing to happen.

If he kills again in the same manner, there is more a likelihood he will get caught and do time for that crime. It also would help in locating him.

I don't mean to sound unfeeling or macabre here, but investigation wise, that would be the best thing to happen.

If he kills again in the same manner, there is more a likelihood he will get caught and do time for that crime. It also would help in locating him.

Personally, I'd rather have him never caught than have him take out an entire other family and then get caught. Maybe that's just me.

I still wonder if he defected somewhere behind the Iron Curtain.

I still wonder if he defected somewhere behind the Iron Curtain.

That's an interesting notion, being that he knew at least one Slavic language (Serbo-Croatian) and German, I think. Perhaps they offered him protection, the ability to completely take on a new identity in Eastern Europe or East Germany (the former being more likely, if I were assuming) in return for his services. But I'm unsure. Certainly JMO, but I don't see Brad Bishop getting in cahoots with any political entity. I see him as more of a loner, quasi-"survivalist" type squatting in areas that he's familiar and comfortable with (Italy, for example). I would suppose the rationale would be that any link at all to a government or political institution could be a potential link back to the U.S.

I still wonder if he defected somewhere behind the Iron Curtain.

The fact that he appeared in Western Europe and NATO countries kind of dispels that theory. I mean I doubt the Soviet Union would have let him roam around Western Europe going back and forth.


He wasn't in intelligence, so it's not like he had anything to offer them.

It wouldn't be that difficult for the Soviets to find out that he was wanted for murder either. Would they really want a guy like him into their country?

The fact that he appeared in Western Europe and NATO countries kind of dispels that theory. I mean I doubt the Soviet Union would have let him roam around Western Europe going back and forth.


He wasn't in intelligence, so it's not like he had anything to offer them.

It wouldn't be that difficult for the Soviets to find out that he was wanted for murder either. Would they really want a guy like him into their country?

While he wasn't in intelligence, he would still have had some security clearance and access to some information that would have been of interest to other governments.

Would they really allow a murderer in? Plenty of countries accepted far worse criminals after WWII for the information they possessed. His ability to speak English with an American accent could have been valuable in and of itself. As a government operative, he could have been traveling throughout western Europe. This would have given him the career satisfaction/importance he lacked with the US. More than one State Department employee switched teams during the Cold War.

Or, he could have become a Yugoslavian goat herder. :)

i dont think the bowling alley murderers, the I 70 murderer, and the person responsible for most of the missing kids will be found

It's MIND BLOWING to think they never caught the I70 killer and to think he's probably living a pretty good life with his family and grandkids or whoever by now.

He never even got much from his killlings did he? Just a few dollars and some wedding dresses or something?? lol

Although the ones who ordered the murder of Mickey Thompson and his wife were caught and convicted, the two men (African-American I believe) who actually committed the crime are still at large and nobody knows who they are.

Yeah, I recall how they rode away on bicycles. I wonder why the guy they caught who ordered the murders doesn't turn in those guys to get a reduction in sentence?

It's MIND BLOWING to think they never caught the I70 killer and to think he's probably living a pretty good life with his family and grandkids or whoever by now.

Since the I-70 killer was a thrill killer, i doubt he's living at all.

I personally think he killed himself or was arrested for some other crime.

For the most part, thrill killers rarely stop killing so suddenly. That' why I don;t think he's living or living free.

Yeah, I recall how they rode away on bicycles. I wonder why the guy they caught who ordered the murders doesn't turn in those guys to get a reduction in sentence?

Those hitmen probably have connections in jail, so it would be wise not to be a snitch.

The hitmen probably also have the addresses of their loved ones as well.

In most proxy murders, the LE tends to be less concerned with the hitmen and more with the clients.

Those hitmen probably have connections in jail, so it would be wise not to be a snitch.

The hitmen probably also have the addresses of their loved ones as well.
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eh if you can get a sentence of 25+ cut down to maybe 15 years, why the hell not??


25+ years for many people IS a life sentence

why hasnt ZODIAC been caught yet

Those hitmen probably have connections in jail, so it would be wise not to be a snitch.

The hitmen probably also have the addresses of their loved ones as well.

In most proxy murders, the LE tends to be less concerned with the hitmen and more with the clients.

But he could be put in PC for helping the prosecution. As far as the hitmen hurting his family once they arrest the hitmen it would be very obvious if his family ends up dead who they would look to. They would look right at the hitmen knowing they had something to do with it.

Plus the guy who is jail for race car driver's murder would probably get out sooner than the 2 black men if he turned them in.

why hasnt ZODIAC been caught yet

The police actual had him and saw him walking down the street but were giving a wrong description so they never even stoopped to question him!

WHAT happened to that story a couple months ago of that California women who claimed her dad was the Zodiac and he even drove her around to some of the murder scenes! Did anything ever come of that??

It got national attention but I've heard nothing since then.

why hasnt ZODIAC been caught yet

As a member of Zodiackiller.com and avid Z investigator, i am not surprised he hasn't been caught.

1.Because he only had 4 incidents, that each occurred in 4 different jurisdictions. He stopped killing for some reason and just wrote letters.
He was not the prolific and constant killer like the DC sniper and others. Z was mostly about his letters, than actual murders. Heck he only killed 5 people.

2.The Zodiac case did not even get into full blown investigation until his last attack in San Francisco. The best police detectives did not get on the case until the San Francisco murder. Prior to that it was 3 local small police departments that treated each Zodiac murder as if it was a separate incident. Heck nobody knew they were Zodiac killings until Z himself wrote and told them it was.

3. Z was not a normal serial killer. he was more of a terrorist. He knew exactly what he wanted to do and planned the murders. IMHO, Z had above average intelligence.

4. As a poster said before, Z was a lucky bastard

a. He was lucky that Mike Mageau wound up so messed up that he could never identify him.
b. He was lucky that the police at Cherry and Washington never arrested him
c. he was lucky that Arthur Leigh Alan (if he isn;t Z himself) came along and drew so much of the attention toward himself as Zodiac. This prevented people from looking at other suspects.


WHAT happened to that story a couple months ago of that California women who claimed her dad was the Zodiac and he even drove her around to some of the murder scenes! Did anything ever come of that??

Hoax.

I should mention that there has been a potential Ted Bundy connection to Zodiac. Not necessarily that Z was Ted, but it is interesting. You'll have to read about it elsewhere. ;)

But he could be put in PC for helping the prosecution. As far as the hitmen hurting his family once they arrest the hitmen it would be very obvious if his family ends up dead who they would look to. They would look right at the hitmen knowing they had something to do with it.

Plus the guy who is jail for race car driver's murder would probably get out sooner than the 2 black men if he turned them in.

I should have said this first, but I wasn't thinking. :D

They probably don;t know the identity or location of those guys that did the shooting, because they probably didn;t hire them in the first place. There most likely was a broker or a go between that got the shooters from somewhere. The clients probably never even met the shooters. And if they had, it was probably in an bar somewhere and the gentlemen introduced themselves as "mr. jones" and "mr. Smith".

how do we know zodiac didn't commit other murders and just not take credit for them

I should have said this first, but I wasn't thinking. :D

They probably don;t know the identity or location of those guys that did the shooting, because they probably didn;t hire them in the first place. There most likely was a broker or a go between that got the shooters from somewhere. The clients probably never even met the shooters. And if they had, it was probably in an bar somewhere and the gentlemen introduced themselves as "mr. jones" and "mr. Smith".

At least he could give police artists his rendition of what those 2 guys look like so they can get their faces out there.

Plus if he did help police they could be looked more favorably upon by the authorities and COULD have it easier in prison. Not saying that for sure but it's possible.

how do we know zodiac didn't commit other murders and just not take credit for them

Possibly but you can say that about ANY killer or even any one of US! :lol:

It's unlikely because the Zodiac liked to brag about his crime and write letters and the such.

Originally Posted by Blackout805
how do we know zodiac didn't commit other murders and just not take credit for them


Actually , Z tended to do the opposite. He took credit for crimes he didn't committ.

if anything I tend to think it's more possible that Z had fewer murders, rather than more murders:

1. It's not that far-fetched that the first killings at Lake Herman Road may not have been Zs and that he based the Blue Rock Springs murder to match the Lake Herman Road murder. After all, Z's writing campaign did not begin until after the second incident. For some reason the first incident didn't warrant a letter.

2. There have always been questions about the Stine murder. It's the oddball murder out of the bunch. There were some cab murders that happened around the time. Maybe Z found a way to take credit for this one.

what if Z killed someone and felt his job was "too sloppy" and decided not to take credit?


it's certainly possible....i knew he's linked to atleast 5 murders but claimed 37 lol

what if Z killed someone and felt his job was "too sloppy" and decided not to take credit?

Technically Blue Rock Springs was sloppy in that Z left a survivor who could have easily identified him.

Z was also sloppy at Lake Berryessa he left another victim alive.

He was even sloppy in Presidio Heights, considering he allowed a police officer to see his face.

Z could easily have not taken credit for any of those murders. Why would Z be scared.


[QUOTE]it's certainly possible....i knew he's linked to atleast 5 murders but claimed 37 lol

1. We made an effort to see if it was possible to like 37 murders to Z. Technically it is possible but I seriously doubt it.

2. I believe Z changed his bodycount in one of the letters. :rolleyes:

3. Considering what a liar and egomaniac Z was, I;m shocked he didn't say he killed 50 people. That along with his garbage cipher code and his ridiculous radian puzzle. :rolleyes:

4. Again, Z was not a normal serial killer, he was more of a terrorist, the murders were not necessarily of importance to him as much as the fear he could create via his letters.

5. Once made the claim that he would not announce his killings, Z really didn;t have to kill anymore. All he had to do was read the newspaper and take credit for any crime he wished. Like he did so often.

6. I personally believe that the fact that the composite sketch resembled him so much prompted Z to stop killing.

7. I think 37-0 may be another example of a 'secret Zodiac code". It may also represent a football score. I have read an unconfirmed report that there was a local area high school football game that had that exact score when that letter came out. That line can also be read as Z-37, P-0. Not sure what that would mean. Battleship maybe? Bingo?:D

8. It is also possible that the letter was a copycat letter. It's been speculated by many that a good percentage of the Z letters may not even be authentic.

9. You also have to keep in mind that Z has graduated to building bombs and shooting off little kiddies on the school bus. Doing simple murders would be a letdown.

Sean/Don who murdered Tracy Lynn Fitzpatrick.

I can't believe they didn't arrest that guy in the apartment. Pleading the 5th amendment my ass.

Just saw the Kenneth Frank episode. He drugs two women, rapes them---is found guilty but then ( I think) was let free until he had to show up for jail (which of course, he never did) Can't believe that guy is still roaming around free. I also don't believe it was the first time he drugged/raped women, or that he has stopped. And if he hasn't stopped, why hasn't he been caught? (could he be in a country where if you are raped you are socially shunned, so much so that you wouldn't report it??) Hope this guy gets caught soon.

Just saw the Kenneth Frank episode. He drugs two women, rapes them---is found guilty but then ( I think) was let free until he had to show up for jail (which of course, he never did) Can't believe that guy is still roaming around free. I also don't believe it was the first time he drugged/raped women, or that he has stopped. And if he hasn't stopped, why hasn't he been caught? (could he be in a country where if you are raped you are socially shunned, so much so that you wouldn't report it??) Hope this guy gets caught soon.

I believe Kenneth Frank was captured in Israel in 2007. I don't know if he's back here and in prison, though.

Missfit...thanks for the update! So they did catch him after all! Will have to google and see what I can find about his capture.

Editing to post link to more info about his capture.

http://www.theawarenesscenter.org/Frank_Kenneth.html

I'm surprised that Whitey Bulger has not been captured after all these years.
Especially with all the attention the movie "The Departed" garnered on him.

It seems like every time they get close to him he always seems to stay a step ahead.

Makes you wonder if he has buddies in the FBI that are helping him.:mad:

What about Osama Bin Laden or even Mullah Omar, the supreme Taliban leader who was protecting Bin Laden while he was in Afghanistan?

It's AMAZING they haven't found Mullah Omar because he is right there in Afghanistan since he'd never leave there. Bin Laden is probably on the border of Pakistan and Afghanistan but is more likely in the tribal areas of Pakistan because he's safe from U.S. troops going there.

Bin Laden is probably in Pakistan. U.S. troops are not allowed there so there is no chance in Hell he'll ever be caught or killed. No one even cares about Omar. If the U.S. and Afghan government wanted to, they would have captured him years ago.

Are we free to talk about the two Mary Murders, administrator?

I think its ok that we talk about it. I started a thread on that case yesterday not knowing that the previous ones had been removed, but no one has deleted the thread or asked me to stop.

As for this question, I don't think the following will be caught":

Dwayne McCorkendale's killer
The Blind River killer
Whoever killed Eric Tamiyasu
Chad Noe and his family
Dave Bocks murderer

The Blind River killer

He may have been arrested for another crime. I have a feeling that guy was a career criminal. He probably didn't stop at the McAllisters.

Whoever killed Eric Tamiyasu

If someone is willing to talk, I believe the crime could be solved.

What about the I-70 killer?? That has to be one of the most notorious unsolved serial killers in the HISOTRY of the U.S.!!

I remember seeing him on TV in the 80s/90s and how he just ruthlessly killed people along those stores on I-70.

I CAN'T BELIEVE they never caught him. The sad thing is they've just given up on him it appears.

He was profiled on AMW in the 90s but he's not been on in years and years and I sure as hell haven't seen him anywhere else.

Bin Laden is probably in Pakistan. U.S. troops are not allowed there so there is no chance in Hell he'll ever be caught or killed. No one even cares about Omar. If the U.S. and Afghan government wanted to, they would have captured him years ago.

LOL! There is still a $10 million reward for Omar's capture. Or even more.

He is responsible for killing many U.S. soldiers since he ordered his forces against the U.S.

The U.S. just isn't broadcasting it in the media because they have so many other problems there but they are still looking for him eventhough we don't hear about it.

What about the I-70 killer?? That has to be one of the most notorious unsolved serial killers in the HISOTRY of the U.S.!!

I remember seeing him on TV in the 80s/90s and how he just ruthlessly killed people along those stores on I-70.

I CAN'T BELIEVE they never caught him. The sad thing is they've just given up on him it appears.

He's either:

1. In jail for some other crime
2. committed suicide shortly after.
3. Was killed in the process of another attack.

I feel confident that his killing days are over. We just won;t know why or how.

He's either:

1. In jail for some other crime
2. committed suicide shortly after.
3. Was killed in the process of another attack.

I feel confident that his killing days are over. We just won;t know why or how.

Yeah his killing days are over but maybe he just stopped killing and decided to quit while he was ahead.

There is no doubt he would've gotten the death penalty and depending which state he could've already been executed by now.

I heard a FBI profiler once say that if serial killers aren't caught then they mellow out in old age and either stop killing or drastically reduce it.

Yeah his killing days are over but maybe he just stopped killing and decided to quit while he was ahead.

Odds are againts that. Remember there had to be a pretty dire situation that prompted the spree.

I heard a FBI profiler once say that if serial killers aren't caught then they mellow out in old age and either stop killing or drastically reduce it.

1. Wouldn;t the I-70 killer be a thrill killer, rather than a serial killer?
2. Most people slow down their activities as the get older. A serial killer is no different than a lawyer or baseball player. Age, disability, responsibilities, changing homes, getting married..etc. This is why I feel profiling is a crock. It
basically says what should be common sense. :rolleyes:

Serial killers often kill for the thrill too so they can be both.

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Serial killers often kill for the thrill too so they can be both.

Thrill killer is probably the wrong word. I mean the I-70 is a spree killer, rather than a serial killer.

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Serial killers often kill for the thrill too so they can be both.

Thrill killer is probably the wrong word. I mean the I-70 is a spree killer, rather than a serial killer.

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Thrill killer is probably the wrong word. I mean the I-70 is a spree killer, rather than a serial killer.

A spree killer is someone like Charles Starkweather who killed several people within a week or so.

The highway gave its name to the "I-70 Killer," a serial killer who committed a string of murders within a few miles of it in several Midwestern states in the 1980s. No suspect has ever been apprehended despite the widespread publicity the murders have generated, including their being featured several times on the television show America's Most Wanted and Unsolved Mysteries. However, Herb Baumeister, from Westfield, Indiana, is widely suspected as being the killer. Baumeister committed suicide after numerous human bones were discovered on his estate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_70

But there are actually TWO I-70 Killers and the one featured on UM is the one who killed in the early 90s and then stopped killing for a while and then killed again in Texas.

So there is a suspect for the first I-70 killer who committed suicide but I don't think for the 2nd below and that was the one we all saw like the episode where they showed at the bridal store.

"I-70/I-35 Killer" (8+) Police are searching for a man who has killed five women and a man in at least three Midwestern states and three more women in Texas. Their prime suspect is male in his mid-20s to early 30s. He is described as thin, 5-foot-7, with sandy blond hair with a reddish tint and a day-old beard.

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Thrill killer is probably the wrong word. I mean the I-70 is a spree killer, rather than a serial killer.

Spree killers kill a number of people at different locations within a very short timespan without cooldowns.

The I-70 Killer is/was definitely a serial killer because of the cooldowns between the murder that cannot be accounted by simply be in transient movement. He was taking breaks.

He's either:

1. In jail for some other crime
2. committed suicide shortly after.
3. Was killed in the process of another attack.

I feel confident that his killing days are over. We just won;t know why or how.

Or maybe he quit while he was ahead and is living a normal life like the Zodiac Killer, the guy who killed Jon Benet Ramsey and the 2003 West Virginia sniper. :rolleyes:

LOL! There is still a $10 million reward for Omar's capture. Or even more.

He is responsible for killing many U.S. soldiers since he ordered his forces against the U.S.

The U.S. just isn't broadcasting it in the media because they have so many other problems there but they are still looking for him eventhough we don't hear about it.

LOL, if you say so.

Or maybe he quit while he was ahead and is living a normal life like the Zodiac Killer, the guy who killed Jon Benet Ramsey and the 2003 West Virginia sniper.

All three of the murderers you listed are different from the I-70 killer

1. Zodiac was probably more of a terrorist much like The Unabomber. He lived a normal life because killing wasn;t a compulsion for him as much as writing his letters was. Zodiac stopped killing most lkeley because he didn;t have to anymore. His letters and legend generated all the publicity he needed.


2. If you believe the Jon Benet Ramsey killer was an intruder, that murder was most likely the killers first and ONLY foray into murder. All indicators point to it being a revenge murder against John Ramsey. The murderer of Jon Benet Ramsey is NOT a serial criminal. If he was, considering how amateurish he handled Jon Benet murder, he'd be an easy person to catch. This intruder is living a normal life, because he'ws not a career criminal to begin with. He's some idiot who just got lucky of a one-shot murder.

Course if you believe that Patsy Ramsey is the killer. Well she's dead.



3. The West Virginia sniper is a spree killer IMHO. Such a stop to a crime spree over such a short period of a few days, usually indicates a radical change occured. Death, suicide or arrest.

My reasoning for why the I-70 killer is dead has to do with the fact that his profile is more of a spree killer or thrill killer, IMHO. Those type of killers tend to not stop unless arrested, incarcerated or
LOL, if you say so.
Be respectful, please.

BTW George Ramo if your wondering:

I do believe that Zodiac(if not dead from natural causes) could very much be alive.

He wound up living a normal life, mostly because he started the crimes living a normal life.

I don;t believe Zodiac is a psychotic, I think he is more a meglomaniac or egomaniac if you will.

Mastermind what did you think of that report last year that got national news from some lady in San Fran who said her dad was the Zodiac killer and she drove around with him to some of his murders and even had some of the victims possessions. He's dead now.

We never heard of it again so I suppose she wasn't that credible but she seemed to be quite intriguing at the time. I remember seeing a show about Zodiac suspects and even 1 or 2 others they suspect are dead now so he's most likely dead.

Patsy Ramsey has pretty much been cleared as even John Walsh has adamantly said she has no connection to it and some big FBI guy like Clint Van Zandt said the same thing although I don't recall exactly which big FBI guy said that.

Patsy Ramsey has pretty much been cleared as even John Walsh has adamantly said she has no connection to it and some big FBI guy like Clint Van Zandt said the same thing although I don't recall exactly which big FBI guy said that.

I personally don't believe the Ramseys were involved. Despite my annoyance at the over exposure and media sensationalism surrounding this case (Child Beauty Queen Murdered!!), I'll be darned if it's not one of the strangest murder cases we've encountered in the U.S. I have the feeling it will never be solved. I still hope that it will, I just have the feeling....

I personally don't believe the Ramseys were involved. Despite my annoyance at the over exposure and media sensationalism surrounding this case (Child Beauty Queen Murdered!!), I'll be darned if it's not one of the strangest murder cases we've encountered in the U.S. I have the feeling it will never be solved. I still hope that it will, I just have the feeling....

Dr.Michael Baden, who is the best forensic pathologist in the country along with Cyril Wecht, said years ago that he feels the Jon Benet case will be solved.

I think he's probably wrong! :o

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Originally Posted by nohwheregirl
I personally don't believe the Ramseys were involved. Despite my annoyance at the over exposure and media sensationalism surrounding this case (Child Beauty Queen Murdered!!), I'll be darned if it's not one of the strangest murder cases we've encountered in the U.S. I have the feeling it will never be solved. I still hope that it will, I just have the feeling....


Dr.Michael Baden, who is the best forensic pathologist in the country along with Cyril Wecht, said years ago that he feels the Jon Benet case will be solved.

I think he's probably wrong!

If Patsey Ramsey is the killer, it definitely won't be solved.

But if it' an intruder, how can it be unsolvable?
There so much we know
1. We have an extensive ransom note, that not only gives us a handwriting sample but a an extensive insight into the killers mind.
2. We have DNA that might be the killer's DNA.
3. We know that the killer has to be a close associate of the Ramseys that's visited the house multiple times.

That should be more than enough to find this "intruder".

I'll be darned if it's not one of the strangest murder cases we've encountered in the U.S. I have the feeling it will never be solved. I still hope that it will, I just have the feeling....

IMHO, It's only strange because of two things

1. ransom note in conjunction with the body being left at the scene. I think this case becomes a lot easier to understand if you assume that the killer never intended for her body to be found. Which I personally feel is the case.

2. It cannot be determined whether she was hit first or strangled first. Which one happened first changes the case dramatically. If she was hit first, the strangulation was a cover. If she was strangled first the blow was to killer her immediately.

Patsy Ramsey has pretty much been cleared as even John Walsh has adamantly said she has no connection to it and some big FBI guy like Clint Van Zandt said the same thing although I don't recall exactly which big FBI guy said that.


1. The only real reason they got cleared is because of the foreign DNA. That's it. Nothing else. Compare that the Mark Karr who got cleared for reasons other than the DNA (didn;t know the Ramseys, had an alibi.)

2. Patsy Ramsey was dead by the time she got cleared. So it became a moot point. This is an important point to keep in mind about this case. If Patsey murdered her daughter, the case is unsolvable! Nobody to prosecute.

3. Be careful of a lot of these FBI guys and profilers when they talk about this case. A lot of them did so when they had book deals and AFTER they retired. :rolleyes: Not like they have a job to risk losing if their incorrect.:rolleyes:

Mastermind what did you think of that report last year that got national news from some lady in San Fran who said her dad was the Zodiac killer and she drove around with him to some of his murders and even had some of the victims possessions. He's dead now.

We never heard of it again so I suppose she wasn't that credible but she seemed to be quite intriguing at the time.

Jack Tarrance?:confused: I don;t think he could remain sober enough to committ the Zodiac crimes.:D It's a hoax. The daughter is off her rocker. Do a google search and you'll see what I mean. Or go on to zodiackiller.com and you'll get the reall scoop on Jack.

I remember seeing a show about Zodiac suspects and even 1 or 2 others they suspect are dead now so he's most likely dead.

1. All of the 3 prime suspects for Zodiac are deceased. ( two of these guys were in bad shape to pyshical health to begin with.. Allen and Marshall)
a. Richard Gaikowski
b. Arthur Leigh Allen
c. Rick Marshall


That being said...Most of the investigators of the Zodiac killings are still alive and very active. And some of those guys were much older than Z's supposed demographic.

There could be another suspect out there that has yet to be discovered. That person may very well be alive.

Ralph Probst
Blair Adams
Matt Flore
Gary Grant Jr.
Dick Hansen
O'Neal Moore

Its a shame no suspects have ever been found for any of these murders. :(

Between all of the people-finding technology on the internet today, having a fairly uncommon last name, and being the flamboyant, full-of-himself hothead that he is, I'm surprised that Randall Utterback hasn't been caught yet.

Well, Bishop is very smart and if anyone could hide out in plain sight it would be him. If I remember right there have been confirmed sightings of him in Italy, Switzerland and Sweden. Lots of people have gone on the lam in Europe. Ira Einhorn hid out over there for nearly 20 years. Joseph Maloney fled to over there and is probably still somewhere over there if he is still alive. John Hawkins was on the run in Europe for 5 years before he was captured in the Netherlands. Steve Wilson was on the run for 8 years, he was captured in England although he spent most of his time on the run in Florida. But yes, to be honest Europe, if you are a white male is the ideal place to hide out because it seems for the most part, European police could really give a crap less if some American is on the run over there. Just to be accurate, John Hawkins was captured on the island of Sardinia, close to Italy. The tip that led to his capture came from a woman that lived in the Netherlands.

Notables that will probably never be solved that piss me off:

Jeffery Digman murder, people murdered to cover up people's underhanded **** always grinds my gears. And they usually aren't solved.

Joe Maloney: Total piece of garbage, abuser and spouse killer. He'd be in his 70's now if he is alive. Whevever you are better own up with Jesus soon Joe or you are getting yours real soon. European nations' ******** lack of an extradition treaty won't help you forever.

Tanya Van Cylenborg and her b/f Jay: Absoloute scum to send those tormenting greeting cards to grieving parents. I still think that case is solvable though. DNA is a wonderful thing.

Dog kennel arsonist: Only a complete lowlife would burn 59 dogs alive. I pray this trash is in prison for another crime. Somehow I doubt it though.

That clown who shot that poor woman in the face out of the black truck: Absoloutely senseless crime. It seemed solvable to me since there was a surviving eye witness. I never could understand that. She didn't know him, there wasn't a sexual assault or robbery, why in the world do that?

Lee Wackerhagen: There is some doubt whether he is the killer or a victim, but for osme reason the case always bugged me I hope its solved.

Those are the cases that stand out in my mind the most.
Those are the ones off the top of my head

DB COOPER

I'm surprised Sharon Kinne hasn't been captured. I don't think the Camilla Lyman case will ever be solved. Just felt like changing things up because a lot of people mentioned Brad Bishop and Joe Maloney. I don't think William Fischer will be captured. 25 years and nothing for an over weight drug addict

There could be another suspect out there that has yet to be discovered. That person may very well be alive.

Am I the only one who thinks there might be something to the Unabomber/Zodiac being the same person theory?

Seems like there was a lot of compelling evidence. Kaczynski lived in the area at the time of the murders, bore a resemblance to him, the Zodiac killings stopped around the time the Unabomber killings started, and there was those mathematical codes as well.

I have always thought it was naive to think a killer can't change his MO. There are a lot of imaginative sickos out there, and Kascynski is clearly one of them.

Has this theory ever been disproved? I don't know of Ted Kascynski has ever been interviewed about it, probably couldn't believe anything he said the guy is probably certifiable.

I just am curious if anything was found to disprove this.

I am surprised that after all these years Chad Noe still hasn't been arrested or had another "drunken stupor" and told the wrong people that he killed or took part in the killing of Wendy Camp, her daughter and her sister in law.

I don't think the murders of Keith Warren, Gary Grant Jr., Dave Bocks or disappearance of Dale Kerstetter will ever be solved.

I don't think the murders of Keith Warren, Gary Grant Jr., Dave Bocks or disappearance of Dale Kerstetter will ever be solved.

Gary Grant Jr.- agreed. There's a lot more to that case. And the only witness we have is mentally impaired.

Dave Bocks- agreed. There is too much too lose for so many people in that case if the truth ever got out.

Keith Warren -agreed. Same as above.


Dale Kerstetter - there may be nothing to solve. The only crime there may be a case of grand larceny.

Dale Kerstetter - there may be nothing to solve. The only crime there may be a case of grand larceny.


What I meant was the question of was he involved or was he innocent? I highly doubt that is ever solved unless Dale is still alive and comes back to tell the story.

What cases will never be solved
1) The Wackers- They likely are passed away now
2) Circleville letters
3) Keith Warren- it's a coverup and unless someone tells (and they wont) it will remian unsolved.

I don't think the murders of Keith Warren, Gary Grant Jr., Dave Bocks or disappearance of Dale Kerstetter will ever be solved.

I think Kerstetter, regardless of his possible complicity in the robbery, was disposed of shortly afterwards.

I probably differ from the majority of opinion here, but I think Boo Mason had some involvement in Gary Grant Jr.'s death (either directly or as a witness).

Others that have a less likelihood of being solved:

Ayleen (sp?) Conway
Judy Smith
Ralph Probst -- it wouldn't be surprising at all if some crooked police were involved in his death or cover up (my grandfather and uncle were police officers in Chicago in the same era; too bad they both passed away before I learned about this case.)
Tommy Burkett (although they have the name of the student who was harassing him, there was some unusual behavior by the police as well)
Charles Morgan/Danny Casolero
Footlocker skeleton's identity (someone posted on here a while back that it possibly was the exhumed remains of an old time criminal -- interesting, but who knows how credible that information is).

The killers of Dave Bocks and Keith Warren will never be caught IMO

Philip Breen, who conned his wife and owned a sports team

Okay, the one UM fugitive that I'm absolutely stunned has never been caught after all these years is Sal Guardado. At the time he committed his murder, the bum had lost his job and his car, was crashing on his girlfriend's aunt's couch, and I'd be shocked if even had enough money for bus fare outta town. I don't know how this guy was able to evade authorities for the rest of that day, let alone 27 years!

Also, given that he had such a violent, uncontrollable temper, I'm surprised he wouldn't done something else to draw attention to himself. I guess he could have escaped somewhere like Mexico or Puerto Rico, but where did he get the money to go there? Given how long it's been since there have been any sightings of him, I have to wonder if he's dead now.

Okay, the one UM fugitive that I'm absolutely stunned has never been caught after all these years is Sal Guardado. At the time he committed his murder, the bum had lost his job and his car, was crashing on his girlfriend's aunt's couch, and I'd be shocked if even had enough money for bus fare outta town. I don't know how this guy was able to evade authorities for the rest of that day, let alone 27 years!

Also, given that he had such a violent, uncontrollable temper, I'm surprised he wouldn't done something else to draw attention to himself. I guess he could have escaped somewhere like Mexico or Puerto Rico, but where did he get the money to go there? Given how long it's been since there have been any sightings of him, I have to wonder if he's dead now.

Indeed. He seemed like such a loose cannon and definitely wasn't very industrious.

Salvatore Caruana. Hasnt been seen since 1987, would now be in his early to mid 70s if hes still alive. If he hasnt been caught after this length of time, I doubt he ever will. Looks like some of his charges have passed the statute of limitations (Conspiracy to possess with intent to distribute), but hes still wanted for bail jumping and Income Tax fraud:

http://www.justice.gov/marshals/wanted/major-cases/caruana.htm

What cases will never be solved
1) The Wackers- They likely are passed away now


Unfortunately, that's the case. Bill died in 1999, and Dorothy in the summer of 2011.

Okay, the one UM fugitive that I'm absolutely stunned has never been caught after all these years is Sal Guardado. At the time he committed his murder, the bum had lost his job and his car, was crashing on his girlfriend's aunt's couch, and I'd be shocked if even had enough money for bus fare outta town. I don't know how this guy was able to evade authorities for the rest of that day, let alone 27 years!

Also, given that he had such a violent, uncontrollable temper, I'm surprised he wouldn't done something else to draw attention to himself. I guess he could have escaped somewhere like Mexico or Puerto Rico, but where did he get the money to go there? Given how long it's been since there have been any sightings of him, I have to wonder if he's dead now.
I think he might be dead since he seemed like he could snap easily. He was not right next to the border so you're right, how would he have gotten there? He didn't have a car to escape in but made it out of the city and out of sight for all these years somehow. Weird.

Unfortunately, that's the case. Bill died in 1999, and Dorothy in the summer of 2011.

What is the Wackers case about please?

Hey guys, I was shocked to find out that the 1982 Tylenol murders that killed SEVEN are still unsolved! Was that ever profiled on UM?

What is the Wackers case about please?
The Wackers case is almost legendary in my opinion, one of the less serious of cases where an elderly couple who were or thought they were harrased by someone for years they heard sounds around their property and other phenomenon but no one ever saw anything happen even when the property was under surveillance and it's questionable if it ever happened.

The Wackers case is almost legendary in my opinion, one of the less serious of cases where an elderly couple who were or thought they were harrased by someone for years they heard sounds around their property and other phenomenon but no one ever saw anything happen even when the property was under surveillance and it's questionable if it ever happened.

What about when she was tied up and the guy came to use the phone. U saying she made it up? Then who tied her up?

Any update on Dan Tondevold? It seems very strange he would kill himself after going through all that trouble of stealing all that money from Mrs. Berry. Is that really his body? It's sad that Mrs. Berry must be dead by now. I wonder what happened to her antebellum estate?

I would also have to say Donald Webb, but I believe he's still alive today. However, if 10 or 20 years go by and we still haven't heard anything about him, we'll know he's dead for sure.

I think he's dead, but I think he died not long after the struggle with, and murder of, Greg Adams. I think either Adams shot and wounded him or he was shot accidentally, and that he didn't seek legitimate medical treatment for fear of being recognized and/or arrested, and subsequently died from his wound(s).

What about when she was tied up and the guy came to use the phone. U saying she made it up? Then who tied her up?

Any update on Dan Tondevold? It seems very strange he would kill himself after going through all that trouble of stealing all that money from Mrs. Berry. Is that really his body? It's sad that Mrs. Berry must be dead by now. I wonder what happened to her antebellum estate?

I don't necessarily call that incident harassment but it is possible she tied herself up like Cindy James hog tied herself.

I don't necessarily call that incident harassment but it is possible she tied herself up like Cindy James hog tied herself.

So if she did tie herself up are you implying the Wackers were mentally ill or something? :lol:

What about when she was tied up and the guy came to use the phone. U saying she made it up? Then who tied her up?


There's a thread about it here, although the answer given summed it up. In my opinion, it's the most hotly-debated UM case on these boards. There are a few different potential angles: Was it a random attacker? Was it Bill? Was it a family member? Were they making it all up? Unfortunately, we'll probably never know.

Robert Fisher. I'm shocked that he hasn't been found after 11 years after killing his wife and 2 kids in Arizona. Is he out there or did he kill himself to avoid detection?

Robert Fisher. I'm shocked that he hasn't been found after 11 years after killing his wife and 2 kids in Arizona. Is he out there or did he kill himself to avoid detection?

Me too, it seems to me like he would've been found within at least five years. His crime was so incredibly over the top that suicide seems a good possibility, but who knows.

Randy Yager -- The Outlaws Motorcycle Gang has chapters throughout the world and he could be in Europe or Russia for all we know. Despite him being a USMS 15 Most Wanted Fugitive, I somewhat doubt he'll ever be captured.

Arthur Lee Washington -- He probably died from AIDS back in the 90's while on the run.

William Peter Fischer -- He fled with over $100,000 after the double homicide so he could have fled the country. However he was overweight, an alcoholic and was addicted to crack cocaine so I doubt he lived much longer.


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Also I'm inquiring as to why these UM fugitives (among many others) have never been caught. When mentioned, I also want to know if any of them were profiled on America's Most Wanted in the 1990's.

Pedro Uribe -- Drug kingpin who was part of Colombia's infamous Medellin Drug Cartel. Miguel Villegas, Luis and Ivan Arango and Hugo Balbin were also members in the drug operation. It's likely that all of these fugitives fled to Colombia after 1986. After the Medellin Cartel went down it's fairly possible that at least half of these fugitives were killed. Was this case on AMW in the 90's?

Richard Bare -- I am really surprised no one's ever been able to find Bare. I've read he may be dressing as a woman so I feel the FBI needs to do some age-enchanced photos of Bare, both looking as a man and as a woman. Aired on AMW from 1990-2004.

Lance Bedgood -- There's nothing about him to incidate why he's managed to be on the run for 25 years. Like Bare, an age-enhanced photo of him really needs to be done. Aired on AMW from 1990-2000.

Carlos Berdeja -- I wish more attention was given to this fugitive. After all, he's charged with killing a female co-worker by raping, bludgeoning, strangling and then running her over with a car. Was this case on AMW in the mid-late 90's?

I don't necessarily call that incident harassment but it is possible she tied herself up like Cindy James hog tied herself.

You talk like thats an established fact, thats never been proven it was just a theory.

So if she did tie herself up are you implying the Wackers were mentally ill or something? :lol:

I honestly don't know but from the segment I don't think it says there was any evidence of someone else doing it, no motive or a suspect apart from the thief (if there was one) who returned the items.

You talk like thats an established fact, thats never been proven it was just a theory.

Most of what people say here aren't facts, do I have to put IMHO on every post? the Vancouver police aren't treating it as murder so if a murderer didn't tie her up I think she did.

I honestly don't know but from the segment I don't think it says there was any evidence of someone else doing it, no motive or a suspect apart from the thief (if there was one) who returned the items.

It is very strange that items were returned! Thieves IRL don't go around returning items!

It is very strange that items were returned! Thieves IRL don't go around returning items!

Its not so strange if the motive was never them wanting the items to begin with. The motive was probably to mess with the Wackers' heads.

Bin Laden is probably in Pakistan. U.S. troops are not allowed there so there is no chance in Hell he'll ever be caught or killed. No one even cares about Omar. If the U.S. and Afghan government wanted to, they would have captured him years ago.
you were partially right.

Here is the thing that people need to understand about the media and our government(especially the department of defense). the defense department must have some privacy to get their job done. Bin Laden is a perfect example. Good job by our military working together to make it happen.

In regards to caselero and chuck morgan I'm not sure what to think. you can't link the entire government (or any one agency) together in that. for the most part people that work for government agencies are law obiding citizens like everyone else. But like every other walk of life you have that small percentage of people that cheat and break the law and they ruin it for everyone else. clearly the law enforcement agencies have questionable tactics in the way they pursue high profile criminal organizations. My suggestion to people(like casselaro who was probably trying to do a good thing but paid the price) is to stay out of it and let the pros do their jobs. If they get into the wrong side of the law in the process it is their problem and they will probably pay for it in the end. I think too many people make too much of this and overplay it like it is hollywood.

DB Cooper and Frank Morris wont ever be caught they commited the perfect crime. Dont think theyll ever catch the Phantom Killer, or the Original Night Stalker either. Some criminals are just to damn smart for there own good.

You talk like thats an established fact, thats never been proven it was just a theory.

The writer they interviewed from the Vancouver Sun sold it for me,everything he said made it so obvious she was making it up.

DB Cooper and Frank Morris wont ever be caught they commited the perfect crime. Dont think theyll ever catch the Phantom Killer, or the Original Night Stalker either. Some criminals are just to damn smart for there own good.

DB Cooper took advntage of a flaw in aircraft design. If someone tried than now or in the past 30 years they couldn't do it since you cannot open an airplane door in midflight anymore!

DB Cooper took advntage of a flaw in aircraft design. If someone tried than now or in the past 30 years they couldn't do it since you cannot open an airplane door in midflight anymore!

Yeah but that was then,who knows perhaps if he never came along then maybe they might not have changed the flaws,they wouldnt have had a reason to. The guy knew alot about air craft choosing that plane inparticular,he was a cerebral assasin.

Yeah but that was then,who knows perhaps if he never came along then maybe they might not have changed the flaws,they wouldnt have had a reason to. The guy knew alot about air craft choosing that plane inparticular,he was a cerebral assasin.

It seems a little strange that Cooper would go through all that for $200K and a very risky jump. He could've died and maybe he did!

It seems a little strange that Cooper would go through all that for $200K and a very risky jump. He could've died and maybe he did!

Yeah thats fair,I just find it puzzling if he died and the money was left wouldnt someone else have found it and spent some of it by know. I was curious how come the female hostage didnt cofirm whether or not that man who was killed trying to hijack a second plane was also DB

Yeah thats fair,I just find it puzzling if he died and the money was left wouldnt someone else have found it and spent some of it by know.

I think DB may have laundered the money,he wasnt stupid wouldnt have just gone and spent it willie nillie knowing he extorted from the FBI. He was a complete enigma,

Well they did find some of his bills in the woods in the Northwest although I don't know how much. After all this time the money would've completely decomposed so they'll never find it. Think of what all those soaking rains in the NW would do to it!

Well they did find some of his bills in the woods in the Northwest although I don't know how much. After all this time the money would've completely decomposed so they'll never find it. Think of what all those soaking rains in the NW would do to it!

Wasnt much I think 5 grand they found. You make a fair argument I just have a strong feeling he pulled it off.

Wasnt much I think 5 grand they found. You make a fair argument I just have a strong feeling he pulled it off.

Evidence?

Is DB staying at your house? :lol:

It seems a little strange that Cooper would go through all that for $200K and a very risky jump. He could've died and maybe he did!
well I'm bumping this just to get the threads moving along. and I'm bored. not surprised to find cooper in this thread.

I see this poster was banned...in 1971 200K was a lot of money. one could have definitely retired off of that then. that and the more he asked for the heavier the loot. If you put into perspective that his flight from Portland to seattle was 20 bucks. you can't make that drive today or in 2012(when this was posted) for that price.

others to note...sal guardado, William Bradford bishop, ONS, phillip fraser's killer(male version of bonnie wilder).

I'm sure I've commented before on this thread, but I don't feel like reading all ten pages to see what I said:

I don't think we'll find Angela Hammond's killer. Same with Tammy Leppart. I question if Paul Flores will ever be brought to justice (and man, am I hoping for a breakthrough in that case.)

I would REALLY like to see some of these unknown John/Jane Does identified. In some cases, I'm kinda shocked that it hasn't been done yet.