View Full Version : Cases that are still in my head....
Sneaky 03-08-2005, 06:09 PM I think we all have them. They sit in our head and spin round and round. They come up at strange times and simply won't go away. I really wish I could do something for those involved.
The ones that I will probably always remember:
1) From the first episode. The guy, I think his first name was Don, disappeared into a remote section of Wyoming. His body was found years later, and the police felt he died in a storm shortly after his vehicle was found. His family however, uncovered evidence that pointed to him being alive after the storm, and in another location. Anyone know his full name, or any other online sources of information?
2) The Tommy Burkett case. This one, without a doubt, affects me the most. I check thepacc.org often, but unfortunately there are no recent updates. I spoke with Tommy's mother once or twice a few years ago via email, and I was sad to find out that she passed. God bless her and her husband. I think that one of the reasons that this case affected me so much was the UM episode. I have NEVER seen such a poor example of a police officer as the piece of garbage that was on that show, lying his ass off. It made me what to scream.
3) The Joyce McClain case, in East Millinockett, Maine. The reason this stays with me, as I have mentioned in other threads, is I have a few ties to the area.
What cases keep you up at night?
zakattak3 03-08-2005, 07:02 PM An episode I saw recently involving a man who woke up in a field and couldn't remember anything and couldn't find his family or anyone who knew him, but once it was aired on tv, his family found him and it turned out he was wanted by the police. That episode has made me wonder how depressing it would be to live that man's life.
justins5256 03-08-2005, 09:04 PM 1) From the first episode. The guy, I think his first name was Don, disappeared into a remote section of Wyoming. His body was found years later, and the police felt he died in a storm shortly after his vehicle was found. His family however, uncovered evidence that pointed to him being alive after the storm, and in another location. Anyone know his full name, or any other online sources of information?
His name was Donald Kemp.
Justin
DeeeNah 03-08-2005, 10:01 PM The one case that always sticks with me is the case of this couple that crashed their car, left their car and were found in diff stages of decomposition. This case always gives me the creeps.
DarkDante 03-08-2005, 11:03 PM 2) The Tommy Burkett case. This one, without a doubt, affects me the most. I check thepacc.org often, but unfortunately there are no recent updates. I spoke with Tommy's mother once or twice a few years ago via email, and I was sad to find out that she passed. God bless her and her husband. I think that one of the reasons that this case affected me so much was the UM episode. I have NEVER seen such a poor example of a police officer as the piece of garbage that was on that show, lying his ass off. It made me what to scream.
Yeah the Burkett case is another one I'd like to have on tape but don't just another perplexing mystery although what actually happened can probably be ascertained by the audiance and what follows is solely my OPINION. I've been a UM fan for many years now and I've noticed a number of their cases (Burkett, Ives & Henry and to some degree Norman Ladner) all have the commonality of either FBI involvement or some type of drug activity in the southern United States in the late 80s-early 90s when this country was going through a rabid drug problem (compare the massive campaigns on television directed at those of us who grew up in the early 90s to the ones aired now you will find the earlier campaigns a lot more grim then the current ones indicating a more serious problem backed up by statistical data - but I digress)
One way the government sought to ebb out the drug trafficing problem especially in the southern United States was to rangle informents whether they be drug smugglers who had been busted (for example Barry Seal) or college students involved in the program possibly due to similar circumstances (Tommy Burkett) - These individuals are promised "protection" as part of their "contract" as narc agents and steps above and beyond what some of us would view as human decency or moral ethics are taken to secure this.
Now here is my opinion as to what happened to Thomas Burkett, Mr. Burkett being a nineteen year old college student was tragically expendable, at some point I'm sure Thomas turned up some evidence of drug activity at the Marymount College in Virginia and possibly and had the bad run of luck to implicate some students whose parents and family members were high ranking in either the college or in the state government.
AGAIN I must stress that Burkett was expendable. These officials apparently had some kickbacks coming their way and it was determined by any number of individuals that it would be in the best interest of those people involved that Mr. Burkett be disposed of. That being said I do not believe Burkett was murdered by a contract hit but by the same students who harassed him around the college in the weeks prior to his death. I even open the possibility that these individuals did not show up to the Burkett residence that day to murder Tommy but merely to "shake him up" and it just escalated from there. The cover-up that ensued is not only to protect the murderers but their relations in the greater Virginia area. I don't think this case will ever be solved because much like the other cases mentioned above it would be a great embarassment to the officials involved and possibly present a danger of exposing the FBI program which Thomas was a part of something that obviously would not be in this country's best interest.
Now before anyone starts shouting conspiracy theory or libel I suggest you stop by the PACC website as most of the info is gleaned from there and make your own decision - this is just my brief analysis of the data found there and the UM segment itself
Later.
dynoguy88 03-09-2005, 12:25 AM I think we all have them. They sit in our head and spin round and round. They come up at strange times and simply won't go away. I really wish I could do something for those involved.
Boy, that is the truth. The Maples case (kidnapping two of their grandchildren Kristi and Bobby Baskin) has always stayed close with me. I've even had several dreams over the last couple of years that I met Mark and Debbie Baskin and helped them reunite with their kids. They are never far from my thoughts and prayers. I think writing them a letter 2 years ago felt really good.
Another recent case involving that little 5 foot 2 scum bag, Jesse James Hollywood, taking part in the murder of 15 year old Nick Markowitz has also disturbed me greatly. I know the FBI is trying as hard as they can to find this horrible person and I pray that he is caught.
Sneaky - What ties did you have to East Millinockett, Maine where Joyce McClain was killed? Did you have friends/family that lived there or did you usually drive though the area often? That was always a depressing case as well. She was killed in 1980, the same year I was born. That's quite a while for an unsolved murder...I'm sure her family and friends must be devasted that a killer still hasn't been caught.
Sneaky 03-09-2005, 09:22 PM The one case that always sticks with me is the case of this couple that crashed their car, left their car and were found in diff stages of decomposition. This case always gives me the creeps.
Yikes, thats one that I have never seen! What other details can you give me? I would like to read more about it. Thanks in advance.
Sneaky 03-09-2005, 09:29 PM Sneaky - What ties did you have to East Millinockett, Maine where Joyce McClain was killed? Did you have friends/family that lived there or did you usually drive though the area often? That was always a depressing case as well. She was killed in 1980, the same year I was born. That's quite a while for an unsolved murder...I'm sure her family and friends must be devasted that a killer still hasn't been caught.
My family has had a hunting cabin in the region for twenty years. I know a fair amount of locals, no one personally related to the case however. I have spoken with a few people about the case, and as with any small town, everyone has different theories. A few, and I say this carefully, have been presented rather strongly.
I live about three hours from the area, in the western Maine mountains, so there are not too many people around hear who knowmuch about the case, but older generations clearly remember it being on tv.
Mr. Fuji 03-10-2005, 12:41 AM Yikes, thats one that I have never seen! What other details can you give me? I would like to read more about it. Thanks in advance.
I don't remember their names, but this story was about a Native American couple and their friend that drove home drunk and slipped on some ice and crashed their car. The two girls were trapped in the car; the guy supposedly was thrown from the vehicle. One of the girls managed to escape from the car, but she shut the door and left, not paying any attention to or trying to help the other girl who was still trapped in the car. The girl who was trapped eventually made it out, but the couple was missing. They later found the couple's bodies, both washed up in a lake that was previously frozen, and they were in different stages of decomposition.
I thought this case was interesting but blatantly obvious. The only logical explanation was that the two people fell into the ice and drowned. It's easy to explain why their bodies were in different stages of decomposition: the male was a big, fat man and the female was much smaller. There was little evidence presented to suggest anything other than this explanation. The only thing that was a mystery to me was why their idiot father let them drive home in the drunken state they were in. On the reenactment, I remember the father saying, "You guys been drinking a lot tonight, huh? Well, drive home safe, see ya later." What an idiot.
DeeeNah 03-10-2005, 04:36 AM I don't remember their names, but this story was about a Native American couple and their friend that drove home drunk and slipped on some ice and crashed their car. The two girls were trapped in the car; the guy supposedly was thrown from the vehicle. One of the girls managed to escape from the car, but she shut the door and left, not paying any attention to or trying to help the other girl who was still trapped in the car. The girl who was trapped eventually made it out, but the couple was missing. They later found the couple's bodies, both washed up in a lake that was previously frozen, and they were in different stages of decomposition.
I thought this case was interesting but blatantly obvious. The only logical explanation was that the two people fell into the ice and drowned. It's easy to explain why their bodies were in different stages of decomposition: the male was a big, fat man and the female was much smaller. There was little evidence presented to suggest anything other than this explanation. The only thing that was a mystery to me was why their idiot father let them drive home in the drunken state they were in. On the reenactment, I remember the father saying, "You guys been drinking a lot tonight, huh? Well, drive home safe, see ya later." What an idiot.
Just a note, there were sources that their friends spotted the guy a few days after the accident. I'm not too sure how true this was.
Another case that creeps me out is Tara Calico.
dynoguy88 03-10-2005, 12:31 PM Another case that creeps me out is Tara Calico.
I've been watching Unsolved Mysteries since it first came on the air in 1987 and I STILL have not seen the Tara Calico case. Not even once. I've read alot about it on the net and seen the pictures that ended up in Florida - but still, I'm waiting to see it. Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?
justins5256 03-10-2005, 01:04 PM Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?
No. The last time this was shown was during the 2am installment a few years ago. Have you ever seen the story about the Roswell UFO crash? The Calico case was originally a part of that episode.
I wish Lifetime would bring the 2am slot back. I remember staying up till 2am, having a few drinks, and watching UM for thirty minutes before drifting off to sleep. It was the perfect way to close out the evening.
You would think they could find some time to fit it in somewhere. I mean, the Golden Girls is on how many times?
Justin
DeeeNah 03-10-2005, 09:51 PM I've been watching Unsolved Mysteries since it first came on the air in 1987 and I STILL have not seen the Tara Calico case. Not even once. I've read alot about it on the net and seen the pictures that ended up in Florida - but still, I'm waiting to see it. Do you think Lifetime will ever show it?
Do u think the girl in the pictures are her? I'm gonna go off a tangent here and say that I don't think the girl in the picture is her. They look kinda different.
justins5256 03-10-2005, 11:43 PM Do u think the girl in the pictures are her? I'm gonna go off a tangent here and say that I don't think the girl in the picture is her. They look kinda different.
That is an interesting theory, and one I've heard elsewhere. In the foreground of the picture, a VC Andrews novel is visable. The title is "My Sweet Audrina". From what I've heard (I myself have not read the novel), the plot focuses on a girl who is held captive in an attic by her grandmother.
I've often wondered if the Calico Polaroid is, in reality, a part of someone's high school literature class project. Maybe they were trying to act out a scene from the book.
On the other hand, "My Sweet Audrina" was supposedly Calico's favorite novel, so it really could go either way... :confused:
Justin
nohwheregirl 03-10-2005, 11:43 PM The Native American couple were Arnold Archambeau & Ruby Bruguier. While it's a possibility that they fell through the ice and weren't found until spring, the police detective working the case was absolutely adamant that this could not be the case. He had searched the area dozens of times before their bodies showed up, and the ditch where they were found was frozen solid at the time of the accident. If I'm remembering correctly, this took place in one of the northern states (dakotas? montana? idaho?), so it's sort of inconceivable that a shallow body of water would be liquid underneath a few inches of ice in the middle of the winter.
Also, an interesting little fact about the Roswell episode, they showed clips from it (including Bob Stack) on Peter Jenning's special on UFO's last month.
DeeeNah 03-11-2005, 12:25 AM That is an interesting theory, and one I've heard elsewhere. In the foreground of the picture, a VC Andrews novel is visable. The title is "My Sweet Audrina". From what I've heard (I myself have not read the novel), the plot focuses on a girl who is held captive in an attic by her grandmother.
I've often wondered if the Calico Polaroid is, in reality, a part of someone's high school literature class project. Maybe they were trying to act out a scene from the book.
On the other hand, "My Sweet Audrina" was supposedly Calico's favorite novel, so it really could go either way... :confused:
Justin
I've read the theories about the novel being her fave novel but just facial wise, I just don't think it's her. Well, let's hope this case gets solved soon as it still gives me the creeps.
Also, the boy that was in the polaroid picture together with her. They thought that he was Michael Henley but in the end his remains were found. They believed he died during the turkey hunt which he went missing from. So this picture actually creates more questions than answers. who is the girl in the picture? Is she tara calico? And who is the young boy that is gagged and bounded behind her?
justins5256 03-11-2005, 12:37 AM I've read the theories about the novel being her fave novel but just facial wise, I just don't think it's her. Well, let's hope this case gets solved soon as it still gives me the creeps.
Agreed. I believe I read somewhere (here?) about there being differences in the earlobes of the girl in the picture, and Tara. Might be worth checking out. Kinda makes you wonder about the "experts" who examined the picture for UM and said they were "85 percent certain" the girl in the photo was Tara.
Also, the boy that was in the polaroid picture together with her. They thought that he was Michael Henley but in the end his remains were found. They believed he died during the turkey hunt which he went missing from. So this picture actually creates more questions than answers. who is the girl in the picture? Is she tara calico? And who is the young boy that is gagged and bounded behind her?
Exactly. It couldn't possibly be Henley. Interestingly enough, the boy was not in the other two photographs the police have.
Justin
DeeeNah 03-11-2005, 04:24 AM just another case that came to my mind are the 2 Mary Morris murders.
UMfan77 03-12-2005, 12:22 PM I think that the segment on the Mary Morris murders is one of the most unbelievable cases that was ever done. The first Mary Morris had no enemies and didn't have any dark secrets. She was basicly a good person; who would've wanted her dead? The second Mary Morris that was killed had knew a co-worker that didn't like her and had made threats on her life. During the 911 call was made during her murder, I think she mentions who the killer is. The call wasn't aired on UM. They were both found in burned cars and within a week of each other. I wonder why the police don't think they're connected.
DeeeNah 03-13-2005, 09:55 PM I think that the segment on the Mary Morris murders is one of the most unbelievable cases that was ever done. The first Mary Morris had no enemies and didn't have any dark secrets. She was basicly a good person; who would've wanted her dead? The second Mary Morris that was killed had knew a co-worker that didn't like her and had made threats on her life. During the 911 call was made during her murder, I think she mentions who the killer is. The call wasn't aired on UM. They were both found in burned cars and within a week of each other. I wonder why the police don't think they're connected.
They probably did not want to alert any more mary morris's in the area. I remebered reading a post here from the suposedly "evil" colleague of the 2nd Mary Morris. apparently, he said that he has been potrayed unfairly by UM. Makes you think about the other side of the coin...whether UM has been playing up the suspects so it makes it more intriguing....
mortytbusybody 03-14-2005, 10:46 PM I know I might get some negative replies from this one, but my theory is that Mary McGinnis Morris' husband is guilty (sorry his name escapes me at the moment). I think the true story went something like this:
Mary McGinnis Morris and her husband had been having marital problems. This is not disputed by anyone, even the husband himself. They are still trying to work things out, playing the charade of a happily married couple, what have you. Mary comes home one night and complains to her husband about her new co-worker (Koala, who posts occasionally on this site). I'm not implying that Koala is a bad person, but for whatever reason Mary and Koala's personalities do not mesh (c'mon we've all worked with someone who for one reason or another gets under our skin, that's life). Now, Mary's husband has already made up his mind to kill his wife, and the sizeable life insurance policy he has out on her would explain why he choses murder over divorce. (It's possible too that he is one of those personalities that "If I can't have her, nobody can") When Mary complains about Koala bothering her, her husband seizes the opportunity. I'm sure he has access to her office to knock pictures over, leave nasty notes, etc and make it look like Koala did it. (I mean, my boyfriend has access to my work place, and if he was seen hanging out there, even when I'm not around, he wouldn't draw any suspicion from my co-workers) Meanwhile, the husband hires a hit man (obviously not a very good one) to kill he wife. The hit man kills Mary Lou Morris by mistake, then days later kills the correct target. I know in my heart Koala couldn't have done it for three reasons:
1) Mary would have recognized him and said so in her last phone call to 911. The police haven't released the tape, but if she blurted out "Help, Koala is trying to kill me!" then we wouldn't have an unsolved mystery here, would we?
2) If Koala had hired a hit man then all investigators would need to do is examine his bank statements to see if a large amount of money was recently spent. Mary's husband is set to receive that large life-insurance policy so it is more difficult to track whether he parted with a large sum of money or not. ("Oh, that missing $20,000...laywer's fees, accountant fees, funeral expences, etc.")
3) Motive motive motive!!! By Koala's own admission he knows Mary was handling things wrong at the hospital. Why kill her when you could have her fired instead? Isn't that sweeter revenge?
Anyway, there is also the 4 minute telephone conversation made from the husband to Mary's cell phone AFTER the 911 phone call. He claims it just rang for 4 minutes, but in that case it wouldn't show up on the phone bill. He wanted to make sure his hit-man didn't mess up again. So they prearranged the call to make sure the hitman was in the right place and had killed the right Mary Morris.
The sad truth is that I believe most of the women murdered in UM cases where there is a troubled relationship involved go back to the husband/boyfriend/ex. Wendy Camp, Kathy Page, Dottie Caylor...god there are so many others I can't think of their names right now. I think all these lovely women were murdered by the men they once so loved and trusted. I know a lot of you would agree with me on it, too.
Sorry to vent, thanks for reading. Your thoughts are appreciated.
DeeeNah 03-14-2005, 11:18 PM mortytbusybody >>that's a very good post from you. Really makes you think about this case. It is sad that two innocent women were murdered over money. Not only that, this murder also affected a person who may or may not have anything to do with the murder. a murder really is like a ripple. It can create many aftershocks to people who were involved.
I hope the police investigate all aspects of this case. Including Koala (Sorry if u r reading this) as well as the husband.
U.M. Fanatic 03-23-2005, 12:03 AM Count me in as one who wants to see the Tara Calico case. I didn't know the first polaroid was found in Port St Joe, Florida. I vacationed in a community called Cape San Blas that is only 5 miles away from there, right on the beach. I've driven through this small town; I had no idea this is where the first picture was found. It is a very nice community.
Reading the older posts on Tara, I found the picture of the two kids bound and gagged. C R E E P Y ! :eek: I thought I had read that someone on the board had written Lifetime to air a specific order of episodes from a certain season and they did. Do you think it would do any good to ask them to show this one again?
TCB(SC) 03-23-2005, 04:57 PM The case that remains in my head are the I-70 killer murders. That was one of the scariest cases I've ever seen, and I still get the chills everytime I see it.
DeeeNah 03-23-2005, 09:49 PM Could u refresh my memory on that pls?
nohwheregirl 03-23-2005, 11:58 PM Could u refresh my memory on that pls?
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think the I-70 murders was the suspected serial killer (white male, slender, reddish hair) who murdered several employees/customers at strip malls along I-70 in Indiana (and possibly Ohio?). I know one of the places he hit was a bridal shop.
I know there are other cases known as the "I-70 murders" that have not been featured on UM, and I believe are thought to be unconnected to this guy. I'm not really sure of the details, but I believe it involved the murder of young men. The A&E American Justice episode (that was on tonight) says that serial killer Herb Baumeister is a suspect in these non-UM murders, but since he killed himself before capture, we may never know.
Koala 03-30-2005, 06:10 AM I'm glad that the Mary Morris cases are still alive as someone requested on this forum a couple of years ago. I think about it too often. I think I will start a new thread tomorrow or so and reveal everything that was ever said to me, observed, and speculated about the Mary Mcginnis murder. I don't know anymore than anybody else about the other one. Let the chips fall where they may. I'm the coworker of Mary's in the case.
I know there are other cases known as the "I-70 murders" that have not been featured on UM, and I believe are thought to be unconnected to this guy. I'm not really sure of the details, but I believe it involved the murder of young men. The A&E American Justice episode (that was on tonight) says that serial killer Herb Baumeister is a suspect in these non-UM murders, but since he killed himself before capture, we may never know.
Indeed, the I-70 killings that Herbert Baumeister was suspected of were a different case altogether. Those were stranglings of young gay men.
The I-70 killings that UM did feature were shooting deaths in shopping centers of Interstate 70. And as you can see, the I-70 shooting deaths and the I-70 stranglings are NOT related (other than by the name "I-70").
DeeeNah 03-30-2005, 08:51 PM I'm glad that the Mary Morris cases are still alive as someone requested on this forum a couple of years ago. I think about it too often. I think I will start a new thread tomorrow or so and reveal everything that was ever said to me, observed, and speculated about the Mary Mcginnis murder. I don't know anymore than anybody else about the other one. Let the chips fall where they may. I'm the coworker of Mary's in the case.
Will be looking forward to your thread. Will be good to get an inside perspective on the case rather then just hearing what UM has to say.
Awsi Dooger 03-31-2005, 07:47 AM I want that guy caught as much as anyone UM ever featured. So pointless and cowardly, just execution style murders in back rooms of small businesses. It didn't even seem like robbery was a motive at all.
You've got to hand it to the black guy who had the instincts not to go in the back room with the murderer, after he walked in to pick up a wedding item. I'm not confident the guy was as calm as UM depicted, but one heck of a live saving performance, regardless
Jester 03-31-2005, 02:53 PM Another case that creeps me out is Tara Calico.
Just looked this up. This case is weird. I just wish we could get an update of some sorts.
notleavingquietly 04-07-2005, 04:29 PM This has gone on long enough. Almost 16 years now. The Albuquerque police know all about the photograph, the van, the two children. Ask them. Call the UM hotline. 16 years and now maybe it will come to a head. I'm going to post on as many boards as I can. Think about it. Call UM. See what the status of the case is. Who is the boy?
This has gone on long enough. Almost 16 years now. The Albuquerque police know all about the photograph, the van, the two children. Ask them. Call the UM hotline. 16 years and now maybe it will come to a head. I'm going to post on as many boards as I can. Think about it. Call UM. See what the status of the case is. Who is the boy?
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Thinman 04-08-2005, 02:53 PM I still think about the Rachael Runyan kidnap/murder. How anyone could do that to a 4 year old child is beyond reason. Then, my blood ran cold when they showed the graffiti on the public restroom stall where someone took credit for the crime.
robertstackfan 04-11-2005, 12:40 PM There is a thread on the Americas Most Wanted website about this case.
http://www.americasmostwanted.com
click on Forums, then Messages, then Missing Children, then Tara Leigh Calico
Here's the picture that was aired on UM
http://www.geocities.com/jenbirdscully/calico.html
crystaldawn 04-11-2005, 01:47 PM One case that I always found so heartbreaking was the story of Jon Purvis. He was the diagnosed schizophrenic who was convicted of murder then later it was overturned and he was released. The heartbreaking part was about the mother who was murdered and that the little girl (probably 1-2 years old) wasn't murdered when her mother was but died of dehydration. I remember Robert Stack calling it an "almost unspeakable tragedy". I can't bear to think of that little girl in her crib crying for her mother probably for days because she was so hungry while her mother lay dead in the kitchen. I can't imagine a much worse way to go. :(
robertstackfan 04-13-2005, 05:14 PM Hey crystaldawn,
Have you got anything on the 9/20/89 episode? We've been really racking our brains trying to figure out what was originally said. That's so cool you have tapes and stuff. I read somewhere you said you trade clips and stuff. I didn't have a VCR back then (and just had the power company take out this one). :(
crystaldawn 04-13-2005, 05:24 PM Hey! I have the Tara Calico story in my collection. Actually I got it in a trade so I'm not sure when my copy of the story aired. It may have been an early Lifetime airing. Do you have a question about it? I can go back and rewatch it if so.
robertstackfan 04-13-2005, 05:27 PM Was the photo found in a book on the rack? In a book on the ground? or just the photo? And who was the boy? They know now that it wasn't Michael Henly. I thought they said the boy was riding a bike too.
All I can say is its a good thing no ones relying on me to solve anything. :confused:
Was the photo found in a book on the rack? In a book on the ground? or just the photo? And who was the boy? They know now that it wasn't Michael Henly. I thought they said the boy was riding a bike too.
All I can say is its a good thing no ones relying on me to solve anything. :confused:
The photo was found on the ground. There was a parked van. And when it was suddenly gone moments later, there was the photo.
Michael Henley, Jr. disappeared while camping with his father in the spring of 1988. A few months later, Tara Calico disappeared while riding her bike. I understand that Michael was found dead in 1990.
Who was the boy in the photo? As far as anyone knows, because of the duct tape on his mouth, the boy was never conclusively identified. :(
crystaldawn 04-13-2005, 09:37 PM robertstackfan, I think the book you were referring to was a book that was seen in the photo next to the girl. The name of the book escapes me but it was one of Tara's favorite authors thus lending credence to the idea that it was her in the photo. Do you guys think the picture was left on purpose or accidentally fell out? I think it could have just fallen out of the van because it was found face down in the parking lot. If the abductor(s) wanted it to be seen they could have thought of a much better place to leave it in my opinion.
justins5256 04-13-2005, 09:56 PM Do you guys think the picture was left on purpose or accidentally fell out? I think it could have just fallen out of the van because it was found face down in the parking lot. If the abductor(s) wanted it to be seen they could have thought of a much better place to leave it in my opinion.
It was intentional. Probably to taunt those who had seen the van earlier that day, almost as if to say "look what we had in the back of our van, and you didn't know". The fact that two other photographs were found also points to it being more than just a simple mistake.
Justin
DeeeNah 04-14-2005, 02:08 AM Yeah I definitely agree with you justins5256. Just too much coincidence for it to be not intentional. This case is definitely talked about over and over. Not just this board, but alot of boards as well. I mean, I am just wondering, how long can a person keep 2 bounded people in the back of his van? There is bound to be some clues.
robertstackfan 04-14-2005, 01:22 PM Wow. You guys are on it. Thanks. And it was definitely left intentionally by the children. Unfortunately, there's no reward. That's really sad cause we don't know for sure who the boy is and Tara's family isn't wealthy. I agree that after all these years if there was a big enough reward someone would at least call. Maybe an ex who overheard.
But again if the reward is based on arrest and conviction that could be tough, especially if a person is deceased.
What do you all think about an ex or a former in-law? and not trying to be funny here
justins5256 04-14-2005, 07:59 PM What do you all think about an ex or a former in-law? and not trying to be funny here
They seemed to imply otherwise on the UM broadcast. I always figured this one was a non-family abduction. Or how about this scenario:
The Polaroid is not sinister at all. Rather it is intended to represent a scene from the VC Andrews novel "My Sweet Audrina" (which is in the foreground). Afterall, the plot of Audrina is about a kidnapping. Perhaps it was a part of someone's high school english class project.
Justin
justins5256 04-14-2005, 08:03 PM Yeah I definitely agree with you justins5256. Just too much coincidence for it to be not intentional.
Exactly, and who is going to be stupid enough to "lose" a photo of this magnitude?
Justin
crystaldawn 04-14-2005, 10:25 PM This has probably been posted on here before but here's an article from 2003 about this case. It gives some further details about what was visible in the picture and talks about the other two pictures that were found.
http://web.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/091903_news_tara.shtml
Infojunkie 04-14-2005, 11:52 PM Hi all,
Just wanted to post a quick note about the speculation of the VC Andrews book. It's not really about an abduction, it's more a story of lies, betrayal...the usual stuff VC Andrews writes about. Family secrets always play a huge role in her books and they are usually very weird. VC Andrews was/is? a very popular author for that age group, high school-college, and usually girls, so I don't think that the book would be a real big clue into identifying the girl in the photo.
Just my 2 cents.
Patti
I agree that after all these years if there was a big enough reward someone would at least call. Maybe an ex who overheard.
But again if the reward is based on arrest and conviction that could be tough, especially if a person is deceased.
What do you all think about an ex or a former in-law?
That wouldn't be entirely impossible. I mean, I've heard stories about a criminal being undone by an ex-wife or other former significant other. Stranger things have become a criminal's downfall. So one never knows.
DeeeNah 04-15-2005, 11:57 PM This has probably been posted on here before but here's an article from 2003 about this case. It gives some further details about what was visible in the picture and talks about the other two pictures that were found.
http://web.abqtrib.com/archives/news03/091903_news_tara.shtml
Thanks for posting the article up :)
Bluejay 04-26-2005, 04:45 AM You're thinking of "Flowers in the Attic". "My Sweet Audrina" is an earlier book, about a girl who is made to think she is someone other than who she really is. Her family want her to assume her dead sister's personality and identity, leaving her none for herself. They play some pretty exorbitant mindgames. There's the usual plot twists. It's actually one of her better books.
Could the idea of trying to turn someone into someone else be a factor?
DeeeNah 04-26-2005, 09:36 AM I dunno how critical the visibility of the book in the picture plays. It could just be a case of someone leaving it in the picture. Not bothering to remove it.
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