This morning's episode(Vint and the kids move in) made reference to 3 bedrooms upstairs. Mama's, Fran's and Eunice and Ellen's(Fran's studio) in which Sonia moves into. In a later episode Sonia states that her room is microscopic. Well, you know how teenage girls are! :lol: They do tend to exaggerate. So according to this episode there ARE 3 bedrooms upstairs!
So this brings up another question. When Iola stayed there after running away from home why didn't Mama put her in there? Also when The Bone Crushers and the people who rented rooms there during homecoming week had no other place to sleep other than Bubba's room or Mama's room? What happened to the other bedroom? Maybe she was using the room for something else?
Case in point. In my house my son's old bedroom is very very small and I have turned it into my computer room. And my fourth bedroom downstairs is now a storeroom.Ok I'm done! :crazy: :wave:

No comments? Ok.............................. :lol: :wave:

Your right on that. Eunice and Ellen shared a room and Vint had his own room and Mama and Carl had a room.

When Vint and the kids moved in Aunt Fran said she meaning Sonja can't have my studio it is so tiny and I need it for my writings.

Buzz was supposed to have a room in the atic, but the episode when Mama's birthday I think it was he birthday and Buzz helped Mama clean the attic, when they were cleaning the attic, there did not look like a place where Buzz had a bed at.

Wonder why they decided to get rid of the extra bedroom for in the Syndication for? Did they think no one would have noticed the missing bedroom?

Wonder why they decided to get rid of the extra bedroom for in the Syndication for? Did they think no one would have noticed the missing bedroom?



Well, they sure didn't realize that they would have us to answer to! Dweebs! :lol:

Another question. Whose room was Buzz in when he was getting ready for the homecoming dance? That certainly wasn't the attic! :confused:

Another question. Whose room was Buzz in when he was getting ready for the homecoming dance? That certainly wasn't the attic! :confused:
They only showed that room once right?

They only showed that room once right?
It was at least twice...Bubba moved in and you saw him putting up posters...and I believe Mama's cousin Lynda slept in there in one episode...

Oh, I didn't realize. I thought those were two different rooms. :)

Oh, I didn't realize. I thought those were two different rooms. :)
OOPS, I misread your post...I thought you said Bubba, not Buzz! Sorry, disregard my post. Carry on. :blush:

You know as much mistakes we find about shows maybe some of us on this sitcoms message baord can make our own tv sitcom mistake free, lol.

Since we the viewers seem to know alot about tv sitcoms wouldn't be a bad idea if some of us on this message board got together and made a tv sitcom.

If we get together and sell enough sitcom tapes to other willing to buy we can put that money together and start out own production company. Doesn't sound like a bad idea.

Any way back to the bedrooms. The episode where Bubba is in the bedroom putting up Twisted Sister posters, is right after Aunt Fran died and Mama said some to this effect if I am wrong someone coreect me on it, she said good lord what would Aunt Fran think of this pictures she probably be rolling over in her grave, I traded one Twisted Sister for another and surely don't need that and made Bubba take them down, which he put back up.

So Bubba took Aunt Frans room.

It was at least twice...Bubba moved in and you saw him putting up posters...and I believe Mama's cousin Lynda slept in there in one episode...

Don't forget "Bedtime for Bubba", where all the characters are in his room---except Bubba, lol (the one where Mama thinks he and Toni are havin' sex, lol).

They also showed Bubba's room in the episode where's tThere's Smoke when Bonita Rokeke, escaped from the Juvenile Hall where Bubba was at and she climbed in the window and and told Bubba nice Boxers and he hid her in his closet and she kept screaming she is hungry and wanted Bubba to get him food.

This morning's episode(Vint and the kids move in) made reference to 3 bedrooms upstairs. Mama's, Fran's and Eunice and Ellen's(Fran's studio) in which Sonia moves into. In a later episode Sonia states that her room is microscopic. Well, you know how teenage girls are! :lol: They do tend to exaggerate. So according to this episode there ARE 3 bedrooms upstairs!
So this brings up another question. When Iola stayed there after running away from home why didn't Mama put her in there? Also when The Bone Crushers and the people who rented rooms there during homecoming week had no other place to sleep other than Bubba's room or Mama's room? What happened to the other bedroom? Maybe she was using the room for something else?
Case in point. In my house my son's old bedroom is very very small and I have turned it into my computer room. And my fourth bedroom downstairs is now a storeroom.Ok I'm done! :crazy: :wave:

Because when the show left NBC and entered syndication, the budget was trimmed and the producers began cutting corners. As a result, the number of bedrooms declined from four to three.

People make too much over Buzz's room in the attick. Hell why couldn't HALF of the attick be fixed up like a bedroom?

My friend's house was like that, only it was in his basement, half of the basement was like a regular basement with regular basement stuff, then there was a door leading to the other half which was a little den where he watched TV.

And they forgot about the 3rd bedroom in the syndicated episodes b/c they knew it'd be funnier to keep Vint and Naomi in the basement. My thoery is, the 3rd bedroom did not exist in the syndicated episodes b/c if you notice Mama's house was a lot smaller, if you notice the big window in the livingroom is gone, so the bedroom was prolly over that, lol

My thoeries are either A) the syndicated episodes took place in a different universe and are unconnected to the NBC episodes, OR the room was just used for a storage room.

i miss watching Mama/s family such a cute good classic show it belongs on tv right about now.

This morning's episode(Vint and the kids move in) made reference to 3 bedrooms upstairs. Mama's, Fran's and Eunice and Ellen's(Fran's studio) in which Sonia moves into. In a later episode Sonia states that her room is microscopic. Well, you know how teenage girls are! :lol: They do tend to exaggerate. So according to this episode there ARE 3 bedrooms upstairs!
So this brings up another question. When Iola stayed there after running away from home why didn't Mama put her in there? Also when The Bone Crushers and the people who rented rooms there during homecoming week had no other place to sleep other than Bubba's room or Mama's room? What happened to the other bedroom? Maybe she was using the room for something else?
Case in point. In my house my son's old bedroom is very very small and I have turned it into my computer room. And my fourth bedroom downstairs is now a storeroom.Ok I'm done! :crazy: :wave:


Obviously I don't think the 3rd bedroom existed in the syndicated episodes. Sometimes I think the synd. eppis take place in a different universe than the NBC eppis the characters are just so different.

It's not just a question about why didn't Iola or the Bone Crushers stay in the 3rd bedroom, but if it had existed I think Vint and Naomi would have moved in there. I think the reason they did away with it was b/c they thought it would be funnier to keep Vint and Naomi in the basement.

So the NBC history is a little different than the synd. history.;

In the NBC episodes I we know Sonya's room is Eunice and Ellen's old bedroom and I assume Franny's room is Vint's old bedroom.

In the synd. episodes I want to think that Budda's room/Franny's old bedroom is Eunice and Ellen's old bedroom and maybe Vint STILL had a room in the basement. That's just my opinion.

it was probably also partly a plot device, to keep Naomi and Vint living in the basement! (remember when Aunt Fran dies, they are looking forward to getting her old room, until Bubba arrives).

I just imagine Sonya's room being very small. Too small for a couple for sure. And Mama wanted Bubba in Fran's room to easier keep an eye on him, plus she probably felt bad that his parents left him there, and didn't want to put him in the smaller room.

This is how I try to rationalize it, anyway.:)

Got to love the continuity errors, sometimes it can result from different sets of writers and producers. Sometimes, they even forget small details they write themselves. I hate when they just simply don't mention or explain a missing character, they carry on if the person never existed. Many shows do this with children, relatives, friends, etc.

I always thought the upstairs had two bedrooms myself and the attic was a room. Wasn't there an episode during the syndicated years where they cleaned out the attic even though we didn't actually see the attic

Wasn't there an episode during the syndicated years where they cleaned out the attic even though we didn't actually see the attic

I remember an episode with Mama and Bubba crammed together in the attic. Mama was telling Bubba a story about a family member getting a bible. It had something to do with Bubba's graduation. Maybe someone else can remember the title?

I remember an episode with Mama and Bubba crammed together in the attic. Mama was telling Bubba a story about a family member getting a bible. It had something to do with Bubba's graduation. Maybe someone else can remember the title?

Gidget, you have 2 episodes confused here! It was Buzz and Mama in the attic and she told him a story about her 30th birthday and wanting a deep freezer. The one you are thinking of was Bubba's graduation. They never entered the attic in that episode. Another point. Didn't Buzz use the attic as his bedroom? It seems to me that he did. Upstairs Fran, Sonia and Mama had bedrooms but I am sure that Buzz was in the attic.

Okay, here's the bedroom breakdown:

Master Bedroom: Thelma (and Carl until his death)

Bedroom (2): Vint (as a child); later, Fran (until her death); then Bubba

Bedroom (3): Ellen & Eunice (as Children); later Fran's sewing room; then Sonya
(When Buzz and Sonya went to live with their mother, they knocked the wall out to make one big bedroom)

Attic Room: Buzz (During the time he lived with Mama) and half the attic was for regular storage.

Basement: Vint and (after they got married) Naomi

That just leaves Iola (When she ran away from home): She probably got Bubba's room; and Bubba went to Buzz's old attic room :) Update: Iola slept with Thelma in her bed, so Bubba didn't have to move.

Thanks for the correction PennyLane!

Okay, here's the bedroom breakdown:

Master Bedroom: Thelma (and Carl until his death)

Bedroom (2): Vint (as a child); later, Fran (until her death); then Bubba

Bedroom (3): Ellen & Eunice (as Children); later Fran's sewing room; then Sonya
(When Buzz and Sonya went to live with their mother, they knocked the wall out to make one big bedroom)

Attic Room: Buzz (During the time he lived with Mama) and half the attic was for regular storage.

Basement: Vint and (after they got married) Naomi

That just leaves Iola (When she ran away from home): She probably got Bubba's room; and Bubba went to Buzz's old attic room :)

Nope, Iola shared Thelma's room. Remember she wanted Thelma to drink 10 heaping cups of water before bedtime.

Okay, here's the bedroom breakdown:

Master Bedroom: Thelma (and Carl until his death)

Bedroom (2): Vint (as a child); later, Fran (until her death); then Bubba

Bedroom (3): Ellen & Eunice (as Children); later Fran's sewing room; then Sonya
(When Buzz and Sonya went to live with their mother, they knocked the wall out to make one big bedroom)

Attic Room: Buzz (During the time he lived with Mama) and half the attic was for regular storage.

Basement: Vint and (after they got married) Naomi

That just leaves Iola (When she ran away from home): She probably got Bubba's room; and Bubba went to Buzz's old attic room :)


I like your thoery better than anyone elses :) I never thought about them knocking the wall out, but yeah that sounds good :) Mama's house was definitly remodeled in the syndicated episodes. Sometimes I think the the syndicated episodes are not canon to the NBC episodes.

I like your thoery better than anyone elses :) I never thought about them knocking the wall out, but yeah that sounds good :) Mama's house was definitly remodeled in the syndicated episodes. Sometimes I think the the syndicated episodes are not canon to the NBC episodes.

Yeah, I like to come up with simple explanations (like knocking out a wall) to solve questions of lack of continuity to favorite tv shows.

Now I need to explain why Mama lived in a completely different house on the "Family Schetches" of The Carol Burnett Show! Also, what happened to Mama's other son, Phillip, the writer?:confused: :confused:

It's just overlooked, terrible writing and lacked accuracy.

I like your thoery better than anyone elses :) I never thought about them knocking the wall out, but yeah that sounds good :) Mama's house was definitly remodeled in the syndicated episodes. Sometimes I think the the syndicated episodes are not canon to the NBC episodes.

In large part, canon did carry over despite the revamped cast (and house). I don't remember history out and out being changed. It's not like the writers redid things to the point where Buzz, Sonya, Ellen, Ed and Eunice never existed. The more glaring thing for me is that they were just forgotten for the most part.
For instance, after the episode about her will, Fran was never mentioned again. Buzz and Sonya were never mentioned after Fran's funeral. On the other hand, even though Ellen wasn't seen after again her surgery, she was mentioned at least a few times and, I believe, included in flashbacks.
You think those relatives would have come up at least in conversation sometimes, or maybe their pictures would be around the house. Maybe on that Thanksgiving episode, which would have been the first such holiday without Fran. I know my first holidays after grandparents or other relatives died were not easy and had many mentions of our recently deceased relatives.

Yeah, I like to come up with simple explanations (like knocking out a wall) to solve questions of lack of continuity to favorite tv shows.

Now I need to explain why Mama lived in a completely different house on the "Family Schetches" of The Carol Burnett Show! Also, what happened to Mama's other son, Phillip, the writer?:confused: :confused:


Well Mama's house DID look similar on the Carol Burnett sketches, I always just assumed it was being shown from the opposite angle since ppl entered from the left.

I've even speculated that MAYBE Mama moved to another house on her smae block, that would account why it looks similar but noticeably different.

But in the Family Sketches I thought Eunice's house looked more like Mama's in Mama's Family.

In large part, canon did carry over despite the revamped cast (and house). I don't remember history out and out being changed. It's not like the writers redid things to the point where Buzz, Sonya, Ellen, Ed and Eunice never existed. The more glaring thing for me is that they were just forgotten for the most part.
For instance, after the episode about her will, Fran was never mentioned again. Buzz and Sonya were never mentioned after Fran's funeral. On the other hand, even though Ellen wasn't seen after again her surgery, she was mentioned at least a few times and, I believe, included in flashbacks.
You think those relatives would have come up at least in conversation sometimes, or maybe their pictures would be around the house. Maybe on that Thanksgiving episode, which would have been the first such holiday without Fran. I know my first holidays after grandparents or other relatives died were not easy and had many mentions of our recently deceased relatives.


Fran actually was mentioned a couple of times in the later episode. Vint mentioned that Aunt Fran didn't want their mother's ring so that's why Mama ended up with it. And when Mama thought Bubba had a girl in his room she says, "Not in my dead sister's bed!"


I remeber once Naomi was recalling that she and Vint were married in the living room, when actually it was the dining area, but I guess you could count them as the same room.

What I mean by it not being canon exactly, in the syndicated episodes, I think history prolly happned pretty well as we saw it but it would have been in a more "syndicated episodes" type way, if THAT makes any since.

For e.g. in the syndicated episodes once Mama had a flashback to when she was pregnant with Ellen, and her house still looked like it does in the syndicated episodes, if history was exactly the same it should have looked more like it did in the NBC years, there should have been a big window in the living room and all but it was not there.

And in the syndicated episodes IF they had thought back to Vint's and Naomi's wedding, I would say Iola would have been there.


Things like that, it that makes any sense.

Fran actually was mentioned a couple of times in the later episode. Vint mentioned that Aunt Fran didn't want their mother's ring so that's why Mama ended up with it. And when Mama thought Bubba had a girl in his room she says, "Not in my dead sister's bed!"

I remeber once Naomi was recalling that she and Vint were married in the living room, when actually it was the dining area, but I guess you could count them as the same room.

What I mean by it not being canon exactly, in the syndicated episodes, I think history prolly happned pretty well as we saw it but it would have been in a more "syndicated episodes" type way, if THAT makes any since.

For e.g. in the syndicated episodes once Mama had a flashback to when she was pregnant with Ellen, and her house still looked like it does in the syndicated episodes, if history was exactly the same it should have looked more like it did in the NBC years, there should have been a big window in the living room and all but it was not there.

And in the syndicated episodes IF they had thought back to Vint's and Naomi's wedding, I would say Iola would have been there.

Things like that, it that makes any sense.

That makes perfect sense. I had forgotten the mentions of Fran as the syndicated series progressed. I am sure I'll stumble across those as I watch more of the later shows.

In large part, canon did carry over despite the revamped cast (and house). I don't remember history out and out being changed. It's not like the writers redid things to the point where Buzz, Sonya, Ellen, Ed and Eunice never existed. The more glaring thing for me is that they were just forgotten for the most part.
For instance, after the episode about her will, Fran was never mentioned again. Buzz and Sonya were never mentioned after Fran's funeral. On the other hand, even though Ellen wasn't seen after again her surgery, she was mentioned at least a few times and, I believe, included in flashbacks.
You think those relatives would have come up at least in conversation sometimes, or maybe their pictures would be around the house. Maybe on that Thanksgiving episode, which would have been the first such holiday without Fran. I know my first holidays after grandparents or other relatives died were not easy and had many mentions of our recently deceased relatives.

Yes, Eunice and Ellen appear as children, along with Vint and Iola (as children), a much younger Mama, and Carl's voice coming from the bathroom! :lol:

Fran actually was mentioned a couple of times in the later episode. Vint mentioned that Aunt Fran didn't want their mother's ring so that's why Mama ended up with it. And when Mama thought Bubba had a girl in his room she says, "Not in my dead sister's bed!"


I remeber once Naomi was recalling that she and Vint were married in the living room, when actually it was the dining area, but I guess you could count them as the same room.

What I mean by it not being canon exactly, in the syndicated episodes, I think history prolly happned pretty well as we saw it but it would have been in a more "syndicated episodes" type way, if THAT makes any since.

For e.g. in the syndicated episodes once Mama had a flashback to when she was pregnant with Ellen, and her house still looked like it does in the syndicated episodes, if history was exactly the same it should have looked more like it did in the NBC years, there should have been a big window in the living room and all but it was not there.

And in the syndicated episodes IF they had thought back to Vint's and Naomi's wedding, I would say Iola would have been there.


Things like that, it that makes any sense.

I have come across those mentions of Fran within the past few days. Oddly enough, both occurred in the span of three episodes. Maybe one of the writers had watched some of the NBC shows?
It's possible that a viewer who had/has only seen the syndicated episodes might think no more of a mention of Aunt Fran than regular viewers would of the sometimes-mentioned "Aunt Ina" - in other words, a character talked about off the cuff but never seen. To a veteran viewer like many of us here, it carries a different context.

I was just thinking about this today ! Glad I found a thread on this topic! A bedroom and an attic room disappeared !!

When Fran was still alive and Buzz and Sonja lived there. Mama had the front bedroom, Fran had a room, and an office (which became Sonja's room when she moved in) and Buzz had the attic room. And of course Vint and Naomi in the basement!

Than when Fran dies and Bubba moved in, there suddenly was only two bedrooms and no attic room!

That doesn't make sense because when the kids, Ellen, Eunice and Vint were little. It would have been Mama and Carl in the master bedroom ,the girls in another bedroom and Vint in the third bedroom. They wouldn't have had a little boy sleeping in a basement room!!

This is probably the biggest continuity error the show has. For the most part, MF had really good continuity. You could tell the writers knew a lot about the show's history and it was cared for.

after the episode about her will, Fran was never mentioned again.

Fran actually was mentioned a couple of times in the later episode. Vint mentioned that Aunt Fran didn't want their mother's ring so that's why Mama ended up with it. And when Mama thought Bubba had a girl in his room she says, "Not in my dead sister's bed!"

Yes, Fran was mentioned a few times in syndication after the episodes dealing with her death and her will (though the ring was actually a brooch). Another time was when Mama made Naomi help her polish the silver and Naomi said she didn't understand why they were going to the trouble because "We never use this stuff". And Mama says "We do so! I had it out at your weddin'...or was that your Aunt Fran's funeral?...either way, it was some tragic occasion." lol


I remeber once Naomi was recalling that she and Vint were married in the living room, when actually it was the dining area, but I guess you could count them as the same room.

She actually said "Come to think of it honey, you and I were married in this room". And since the dining/living room was one very large open room, she was right.


For e.g. in the syndicated episodes once Mama had a flashback to when she was pregnant with Ellen, and her house still looked like it does in the syndicated episodes, if history was exactly the same it should have looked more like it did in the NBC years, there should have been a big window in the living room and all but it was not there.

Well, the "Mama's Family" universe is different from the "Family sketches" universe. They would (and did) keep flashbacks true to the house on the TV series rather than the Burnett show sketches.


And in the syndicated episodes IF they had thought back to Vint's and Naomi's wedding, I would say Iola would have been there.

Well she may not have started hanging around Mama until later. Besides that it would have probably hurt her to see Vinton get married to Naomi, instead of making her "happy for a friend" to see him get married to her.