I find this episode to be one of the most annoying! First off, no one can convince me that sloppy, awkward Beaver was ever athletic enough to get an award. Secondly, my dad would have simply wooped my ass if I disobeyed him like that and on top of it caused my parents to argue. I was thinking the whole time that Ward should have just yanked his ass over there without bailing him out, maybe the little creep would have learned a lesson. :rolleyes: Is it just me or is this truely one of the most annoying episodes besides the silent treatment?

if in real life a father did what Ward did, it would teach the kid they could disobey and the father would always be there with a hidden solution. this was one of my 5 least favorite episodes.

It was unrealistic on a lot of levels. First as you point out Desilu, how in the heck did Beaver get to be an athlete? :lol: And, Ward caving in was so uncharacteristic too!

That's what I'm saying. In the earlier years, Ward would have layed down the law (which I feel is one of his sexiest characteristics :D ). The writers seemed to have mellowed him out when it came to allowing certain things to happen later on, which disappoints me because when I see Ward, I see a hot caveman type man....oh don't get me started! :lol: I just think that Ward was good at playing "the man of the house", he just had that look about him.

Well I don't like Ward's hot temper in the early years very well either. But it does seem that by the last couple of seasons he did go the opposite extreme. Although in last night's story, what were they supposed to do? They couldn't beat beaver into submission or anything! :lol:

No they couldn't beat him but I certainly could have! :lol: But I think that Ward should have stuck to his first decision and not take him at all. I think June was out of line once again in underminding his authority. That is another thing, they made it to where June had more say which I thought was wrong for that era. You watch, I'll get blasted for that comment but that is how I was raised so that is why I feel like that. ;)

You won't get blasted by me for criticizing June! :lol: I feel she was really bossy and snobbish. The proper thing for them to have done would have been to either have him dress correctly or not go, as you say!

Well, yes June did have her moments and this was one of them. I don't feel like she meant to be bossy and snobby but that was alot of aunt Martha. I do however think that Ward should have stepped in and put her in her place once in a while just as it was said to have been back then. Most husbands from that era would have and I think they should have done that with Ward and June more often to make it more realistic...and of course to feed my thoughts. :lol: I do think in most ways June's heart was in the right place. I'm sure that raising 2 boys, one of which was more gullible and reckless than the other could make any mother scared out of her mind. :lol:

I think Aunt Martha and the Bronsons did make June snobbish. And in the later years she was too bossy. I agree Amy that Ward should have stepped up a little more than he did too. :D

All this board needs is another Amy! Hi desilu#1! :wave:

:lol: Hi Tonyd! :wave:

All this board needs is another Amy! Hi desilu#1! :wave:

I told him that was your name too! :D

Now they will probably close this thread too because every word isn't dealing with LITB!

Is that why they closed the other?

Last week we were really going off topic and they made a big announcement that there would be only 1 thread of that type allowed. :lol:

Ok then, speaking of annoying episodes, I find the silent treatment to be another annoying one where again I thought that they wrote Ward wrong in this episode. 1) Ward was always angry if the boys upset or disrespected their mother in any way, so I thought it was very silly that he didn't see that Beaver was doing just that and then when he did find out about it, he calmy talked to him like it was no big deal. Although, June being as nice as she was asked Ward to not take him out to the shed.

I wholeheartedly agree about "Silent Treatment." I can't believe that Ward was so blind to the way Beaver was treating June, as well as his leniency toward Beaver when "dawn finally broke on Marblehead," so to speak. I also couldn't believe just how long Beaver carried on about being sent to the store.

The only thing that bugged me about this ep was that stuck up Terry Richmond. I felt like giving him a slap. I'm sure glad he wasn't a regular on the show.

Beaver wanted to dress casual for the awards ceremonies because his buddies had agreed to dress casual. He wanted to be a member of the group. It was fine that he stuck to his guns and went to the dinner in casual dress. And I think Ward was correct in bringing along a jacket and tie for Beave "just in case."

When Ward and June insisted Beaver dress well for the dinner, I think Beaver should have called a couple of his buddies to let them know what was going on at 211 Pine. Beaver: "Hello, Gilbert? This is Beaver. My mom and dad want me to dress up for the dinner. Are you still going casual?" Gilbert: "Naw, Beave. My mom and dad said I've got to wear a jacket and a tie. And Richard just called ... he said he's got to wear a jacket and tie, too."

Beaver then would have discovered that his buddies were also being told that they had to dress up for the dinner and the unpleasantness could have been avoided. This episode was similar to the one about the Monster Sweatshirts. In that one, Beaver agreed to wear his sweatshirt to school because his buddies had agreed to do the same thing. Beaver wound up getting into trouble because he remained loyal to his buddies and did what he thought they were going to do. Beaver should have known better - his buddies had betrayed him in other episodes and they simply were people who could not be trusted or depended upon in most situations.

No they couldn't beat him but I certainly could have! :lol: But I think that Ward should have stuck to his first decision and not take him at all. I think June was out of line once again in underminding his authority. That is another thing, they made it to where June had more say which I thought was wrong for that era. You watch, I'll get blasted for that comment but that is how I was raised so that is why I feel like that. ;)

I'm not blasting you, but I don't see anything wrong with the woman having more to say for once. ;)

Now they will probably close this thread too because every word isn't dealing with LITB!

:lol: Hey Amy! :wave: Hey AJ! :wave: Hey everyone else! :wave: LOL!

Ok then, speaking of annoying episodes, I find the silent treatment to be another annoying one where again I thought that they wrote Ward wrong in this episode. 1) Ward was always angry if the boys upset or disrespected their mother in any way, so I thought it was very silly that he didn't see that Beaver was doing just that and then when he did find out about it, he calmy talked to him like it was no big deal. Although, June being as nice as she was asked Ward to not take him out to the shed.

I didn't like this one either. Beaver was being too mean to his mother, and it was too immature for his character, (once again.) I wouldn't do that anymore, but if I had when I was younger I would have faced more severe punishments than Beaver did! Probably no computer for like a week or something like that lol.

Beaver wanted to dress casual for the awards ceremonies because his buddies had agreed to dress casual. He wanted to be a member of the group. It was fine that he stuck to his guns and went to the dinner in casual dress. And I think Ward was correct in bringing along a jacket and tie for Beave "just in case."

When Ward and June insisted Beaver dress well for the dinner, I think Beaver should have called a couple of his buddies to let them know what was going on at 211 Pine. Beaver: "Hello, Gilbert? This is Beaver. My mom and dad want me to dress up for the dinner. Are you still going casual?" Gilbert: "Naw, Beave. My mom and dad said I've got to wear a jacket and a tie. And Richard just called ... he said he's got to wear a jacket and tie, too."

Beaver then would have discovered that his buddies were also being told that they had to dress up for the dinner and the unpleasantness could have been avoided. This episode was similar to the one about the Monster Sweatshirts. In that one, Beaver agreed to wear his sweatshirt to school because his buddies had agreed to do the same thing. Beaver wound up getting into trouble because he remained loyal to his buddies and did what he thought they were going to do. Beaver should have known better - his buddies had betrayed him in other episodes and they simply were people who could not be trusted or depended upon in most situations.

I see your point, but if Beaver would have thought of the logical way out, (which is like an oxi-moron) then there wouldn't really be any plot to the episode because there wouldn't be any problem.

Hi Kristen! :wave: I think you might have misunderstood me on the woman having more say. What I was talking about was June doing that in that era when it wasn't "accepted". I thought that on the show they should have made her more submissive because that's supposedly how it was and it would have been more realistic or so my grandmothers tell me. Of course times have changed and I feel differently about it now. When it comes to watching these old shows, one of the attractions for me is the old beliefs. ;)

Hi Kristen! :wave: I think you might have misunderstood me on the woman having more say. What I was talking about was June doing that in that era when it wasn't "accepted". I thought that on the show they should have made her more submissive because that's supposedly how it was and it would have been more realistic or so my grandmothers tell me. Of course times have changed and I feel differently about it now. When it comes to watching these old shows, one of the attractions for me is the old beliefs. ;)

Oh I know what you mean and I am not criticizing you. Sometimes it is interesting to see another culture, even if you don't agree with it. I think it was stupid that the women were supposed to let the men, "take charge" all the time though. Let's not get into women's rights now, or this thread might be deleted too! ;)

I can understand your point, some of it was infuriating but I'm what I call an "in betweener", meaning I'm at the age where I can appreciate both sides. I was born in 1972 so that was a time when women still had limits but more freedom. I don't know I guess I sometimes see the "old world charm" as sexy. :D In the Ward and Ricky Ricardo kind of way! :lol:

I can understand your point, some of it was infuriating but I'm what I call an "in betweener", meaning I'm at the age where I can appreciate both sides. I was born in 1972 so that was a time when women still had limits but more freedom. I don't know I guess I sometimes see the "old world charm" as sexy. :D In the Ward and Ricky Ricardo kind of way! :lol:

I dunno, my Mom said stuff like that bothered her more when she was younger. She still believes in all that women's right stuff but she doesn't get as angry about it. As for me, "One small step for woman, on large step for woman kind!" LOL!

I see your point, but if Beaver would have thought of the logical way out, (which is like an oxi-moron) then there wouldn't really be any plot to the episode because there wouldn't be any problem.

Oh, I agree. But I think we both recognize the fact that LITB wasn't the most sensible production on TV. It was originally produced for morons (tee-hee!) and it's only today that scholars and persons of great taste and discrimination (such as you and me) are uncovering the show's inconsistencies, flaws, irrationality, and skewed perceptions. (Tee-hee!)

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Do you recognize this pic? It's "Blue Boy" by Thomas Gainsborough. Did you know it hangs in the Cleaver foyer?

"Blue Boy" portrays Jonathan Buttall, the son of a successful hardware merchant, who was a close friend of the artist Thomas Gainsborough. The work was executed during Gainsborough's extended stay in Bath before he finally settled in London in 1774. The artist has dressed the young man in a costume dating from about 140 years before the portrait was painted. This type of costume was familiar through the portraits of the great Flemish painter, Anthony van Dyck (1559-1641), who was resident in England during the early 17th century. Gainsborough greatly admired the work of Van Dyck and seems to have conceived The Blue Boy as an act of homage to that master.

Oh, I agree. But I think we both recognize the fact that LITB wasn't the most sensible production on 50s TV. It was originally produced for the consumption of morons and it's only today that scholars (such as you and I) are uncovering the show's total inconsistencies, flaws, irrationality, and skewed perceptions. Tee-hee!

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Do you recognize this pic? It's Blue Boy by Thomas Gainsborough. Did you know it hangs in the Cleaver foyer?

"Blue Boy" portrays Jonathan Buttall, the son of a successful hardware merchant, who was a close friend of the artist Thomas Gainsborough. The work was executed during Gainsborough's extended stay in Bath before he finally settled in London in 1774. The artist has dressed the young man in a costume dating from about 140 years before the portrait was painted. This type of costume was familiar through the portraits of the great Flemish painter, Anthony van Dyck (1559-1641), who was resident in England during the early 17th century. Gainsborough greatly admired the work of Van Dyck and seems to have conceived The Blue Boy as an act of homage to that master.

What in the world does this dissertation in art history have to do wth Beaver's football award?

Hey Mr. moderator sir: I thought we had to stay really "on topic!" :rolleyes:

Oh, I agree. But I think we both recognize the fact that LITB wasn't the most sensible production on 50s TV. It was originally produced for the consumption of morons and it's only today that scholars (such as you and I) are uncovering the show's total inconsistencies, flaws, irrationality, and skewed perceptions. Tee-hee!


Maybe so, but I enjoy watching the show just as much as a, "moron" as you consider it! :lol:

Maybe so, but I enjoy watching the show just as much as a "moron" as you consider it! :lol:

Oh, I love the show. I really feel like a moron watching it when I should be watching something intellectual like a documentary or a news show or the book review channel! Tee-hee! I can't help it - I love Leave It to Beaver and I will be a faithful viewer forever and ever!

What in the world does this dissertation in art history have to do wth Beaver's football award?

Hey Mr. moderator sir: I thought we had to stay really "on topic!" :rolleyes:


Oh, dear! I'm so sorry! I didn't mean to upset anyone! I only thought that this picture - which I love - would be of interest to those who recognize it as the picture hanging in the foyer of the Cleaver home. You're quite correct - it has nothing to do with Beaver's football award and I should have posted it as a new topic. Once again, I'm terribly sorry and I will be quite careful in the future!

I haven't watched this episode yet, it's on the DVR but mom's taking a nap in her room.. She's not sick or anything, just wanted to rest...

There was a comment about the Monster Sweatshirt episode where it was said Beaver's friends let him down...

I don't think they did in my view... When Ward and June told Beaver to change the sweatshirt, he SHOULD have thought, his friends' parents wouldn't let them either....