"she hasn't laughed since the mark harmon episode"

NOW THIS, is a true MOONLIGHTING episode. this is one that is as good as the 2nd and 3rd seasons type of episodes.
annie charnock arrives. and the triangle is created.
i really hate the defensive way david treats maddie at the end.

i really liked herbert's film presentation. glad to see he's so on the job.

what's the deal with dave's hair?? i noticed while he and annie were dancing, it looked woven in the back. is it movie related?

who was that babe at the beginning at the elevator? sure looked familair. ;) ;) ;)

one of the best in a long time.

rating: 9.6

I'm sorry, but I detest this one so much that I can't even watch it. The ONLY thing I can say is that David looked SOOO good in black. I just can't buy the fact that he would treat Maddie like this. I think the writers were trying to reverse the Mark Harmon storyline here, but it just doesn't ring true to me at all. (And I didn't even have to say the b----'s name!)

the way they treated each other was bad. i could take maddie acting as she did IF she acted as such because she was concerned about annie being married. she can say that's it all she wants but the truth is, she didn't want dave to be with annie. she is still hiding her feelings.
dave was just following through with annie, not in retaliation, but i think he would feel that maddie will never let him into her heart. so he goes where he is welcomed. and it just happened to be someone close to maddie.

I give this one a 0.6 -- I don't understand your love of this episode at all.

I thought the episode was hurtful and sad. I think the writers tried to re-create the Sam/Maddie/David trilogy and that the writers/producers failed badly. There was no love in this or the next 2 episodes (Eine Kleine... and Lunar Eclipse). There seemd to be no indecision on David's part. It seemed all seemed contrived to me. As I recall, Virginia Madsen was on the cover of People, just as Mark Harmon had been. I could go on and on.

I JUST HATED THIS EPISODE.

Me too. I saw it two times. (I have no idea why I did that btw)
It was so not Maddie and so not David.

I....I can't even talk about this episode

BLEH!

omg: omg:

i don't see how you guys can hate this one so much ????
it had all the old quality everything that the show had been missing.
it had the tension between dave and maddie. it had both of them denying the truth about how they feel about each other. it had great chemistry between dave-maddie, dave-annie, and annie-maddie. it had all the great subplots stroylines with office personell. it has bert trying his best to become a master detective. all the music set the scenes just right. ??????
i just don't see what we see so different. oh well, just shows we are different. :)

In which scenes did you see David showing feelings for Maddie in When Girls Collide? I didn't see a "torn between two women" David at all.

I gotta agree with the others here, bry. This is one dismal episode.

First off, the two setups at the beginning...Maddie in her shrinks office and David with the "roving" eye in the elevator....puts the viewer on notice that this episode is going to be about how each of the two try to "move on" past their failed relationship. And that I am afraid is exactly what is wrong with this episode and the ones that follow up. As Moonlighting fans of David and Maddie and especially of David and Maddie TOGETHER....that is just not what we are tuning in for. Sorry!

So as the episode tries to explore this conflict and David grows further apart from Maddie and Maddie retreats more and more into denial that David's separation is bothering her, collectively our stomachs start to turn.

We all see Annie as the interloper in much the same way that we saw Walter Bishop as the interloper. Sam we could deal with and the triangle worked and kept us involved. Walter and now Annie feels like someone is jerking us around. What was the whole triangle with Sam all about but resolving the situation for us by getting David and Maddie together? We loved it and the ratings reflected that. But trying to rebeat that drum by throwing a monkey wrench in first with Walter and then with Annie, well we had been there, done that and had the emotional scars to prove it. This seemed contrived by the writers to us because it felt wrong to us knowing what all had gone before.

So bry, it isn't necessarily we didn't like the tension....we didn't like the cause of the tension this time and we sure didn't like the outside character coming in to cause the conflict. Usually M&D have enough conflict between themselves to cause the tension. Get rid of these guest stars coming in and messing with the dynamic--other than in the trilogy, it never worked--not with Camille, not with Walter Bishop, and certainly not with Annie.

i don't know, i just see it. it is not an "in your face" type of thing i see, but rather a form of denial and "moving on" to prove to themselves that they are over each other. a forced moving on.
i said earlier that i felt david went where he was emotionaly welcomed and that was with annie, but that is not neccessarily where he wanted to be. so he settled for what he could, with her instead of with maddie.

Contrary again :crazy: I am with Bry on this one to a certain extent. David couldn't have Maddie and he couldn't have the elevator girl so he took the next woman to come along.

I am sure if the show hadn't finished and there ahd been time to resolve things we might look on these Annie episodes alittle less hatefully.

For me, until recently they were some of the few I had watched and there is still enough magic in them to make me love the show

I think David, in particular, was written very badly in this one. In the Mark Harmon episodes, we genuinely felt Maddie struggle between between her head and her heart until she finally let herself admit how she felt about David. In this one, we never see David struggle at all. I can understand that he must have been pretty sick of the way Maddie treated him, but for him to fall right into an affair with her (married!) cousin just doesn't seem like David to me. (At least she seemed a little concerned about whether it would hurt Maddie.) In the last scene where Maddie came to his apartment to talk, he treated her terribly. In any other season, David would have jumped at any opportunity she gave him to make up. They obviously wanted the cliff hanger to lead into the next episode, but I didn't see the old tension between them so much as anger on David's part. It just didn't make any sense to me.

Originally posted by CyBr
I think David, in particular, was written very badly in this one. In the Mark Harmon episodes, we genuinely felt Maddie struggle between between her head and her heart until she finally let herself admit how she felt about David. In this one, we never see David struggle at all. I can understand that he must have been pretty sick of the way Maddie treated him, but for him to fall right into an affair with her (married!) cousin just doesn't seem like David to me. (At least she seemed a little concerned about whether it would hurt Maddie.) In the last scene where Maddie came to his apartment to talk, he treated her terribly. In any other season, David would have jumped at any opportunity she gave him to make up. They obviously wanted the cliff hanger to lead into the next episode, but I didn't see the old tension between them so much as anger on David's part. It just didn't make any sense to me.

I agree with you, CyBr, on everything you wrote.
I think the apartment scene with David and Maddie is my least favorite scene in Moonlighting. Talk about being mean spirited and downright hurtful!

I think this episode reflects exactly the way the show was going.
Down!
M & D hardly have any chemistry on this one and the last ones.
David is cold and bitter and we start to feel sorry for Maddie.
Maddie has always been the cold one but always with a heart, this attitude doesn't become David.

To me this was:" David.... with a vengeance......"



:(

Is this the episode where David and Annie wander around the streets to "Just my imagination"? When seeing that scene, I often thought it should have been written for David and Maddie instead. I hate the bit where David and Annie disapear, leaving Maddie, like some old maiden aunt asleep unstairs... Very mean spirited and horrible...

:(

Mul

Okay--I'm really lost here. Maddie and David seem so different in the pilot and the first three episodes, it seemed that it was a fun, intense, sexy, loving, goofy show. and yet this 4th episode....I don't get it.
Glen Gordon Caron, what are you thinking?
Moonlighting has taken a turn, now it is quite serious and Maddie and David don't even like each other. And I don't like David at all--I really thought I was getting a cozy sort of starting to fall in love with this goofball, but I really can't imagine any woman wanting him anywhere near her. And why would he kick his boss out of his bedroom. If she's there ( She is Madolyn Hayes--the moral one from the episode before this one) she obvious needs to talk to him. And they seemed to smile in there eyes whenever they talked to each other before this episode. In this episode it just seemed like two people who really, really dislike one another.

given the recent incidents with each others emotions, can't you guys see why they may not like each other?

Yes, you can see why they would be upset with each other at this point, after all they've been through, but in this episode they were downright nasty, particularly David, and this just seemed totally out of character. They've always been mad at each other for some reason or another, but not in such a hateful manner. I thought it was a nice touch at the end having David come home to find Maddie asleep on his bed, like in I'm Curious when she came home to find him asleep in her bed. That was a really significant move for Maddie, but David is so mean to her. I didn't like this episode. Too depressing!

Love Gem

In the middle of When Girls Collide and Lunar Eclipse, you have In 'n Outlaws and Eine Kleine Nacht Musik.

I thought there was chemistry between David and Maddie in Eine Kleine. It is not one of my favorites (oh heck, I still hate it) but I can stomach some of the scenes.

BUT then you see In 'n Outlaws and you go "HEY WAIT A MINUTE!" They sure didn't hate each other in that one. I can watch certain scenes from that one over and over and over again. :D

Inconsistency? I don't know what to think about the end of ML. It hurts me so much that the thought of re-watching WGC or Lunar Eclipse gives me the heebeegeebees. How do you spell that word?!

However you spell heebeegeebees, I totally agree Kismet...I can't stand to watch those episodes where Maddie and Dave seem to hate each other for no reason. *Shudder*

Especially when you watch all the season 1, 2 and 3 epis where its just wonderful stuff... :crazy:



Mul

I don't think there was any "chemistry" or "tension" between Maddie And David. They seemed to truly dislike each other in this episode. David acted like the "dog" that Maddie always accused him of being. Who wrote this one - not the David and Maddie we know.

well you are right about the writer being different. This episode was written by Merrill Markoe...a writer who once was a writer on David Letterman and Garry Shandling's show and she has since go on to author several books, the best known one called "Merrill Markoe's Guide to Love" which is a humorus (although somewhat sarcastic) look at love advice (seminars, self help books, etc.). I guess you could say it was a spoof of those guides to love relationship books.

Here is an interview transcript with her from an appearance on Good Morning America that is posted. http://users.abac.com/ksitterley/mm97p.htm If you read this and see some of her discussion about "terrifying unstable neurotic love" I guess you can see where she was trying to go a bit in this episode by her comment about the abusive love relationship "All the time, no matter how I'm acting on the outside, I'm loving you on the inside."

Anyway, no, she was not a regular writer for the series and yes, it does show in this episode.

a young boy in the 'moonlighting social club' told me that around this time david was dating maddies Married Cousin!!! he thought that was "seriously screwy" because in the priest episode, david found it repugnant that the priest was in love with a Married woman. i totally agree with my young friend.

Is this the episode where David and Annie wander around the streets to "Just my imagination"? When seeing that scene, I often thought it should have been written for David and Maddie instead. I hate the bit where David and Annie disapear, leaving Maddie, like some old maiden aunt asleep unstairs... Very mean spirited and horrible...

:(

Mul


Moonlighting has taken a turn, now it is quite serious and Maddie and David ...just seemed like two people who really, really dislike one another.

This sums up my feelings and most of the posts here. I can actually see how some would like this one however. I don't know, I can stretch and see someone else's point of view as if it were my own - if that makes any sense. But honestly, David's behavior towards the Demi Moore cameo and his attraction to Annie should have been reserved for Maddie. He does not seem conflicted between feelings for Maddie vs. Annie or the unknown woman in the lobby. He's angry with his female lead of four years and ga-ga for the next skirts who appear. Meanwhile Maddie is calling David every kind of degenerate which is out of place and hateful too. Season 4 love-struck, expectant father David is now a degenerate? Why'd they approve this Merrill chick's script anyway? Were they asking anyone with a suit on in the streets of LA at the time if they wanted to write for a dying show?

That said, I actually liked David and Annie's date - the way it was shot and with "Just My Imagination" playing. It would have been a perfect reunion date for David and Maddie - a Maddie with one of her more glamorous hairstyles, that is. What was up with Cybill's hair in Season 5?? :confused:. But no, Maddie's looking all washed out compared to Annie and the unknown woman and she goes straight to bed leaving David with Annie and they go out and "moonlight" like Annie's the female lead of the show. What?? Did the theme song even make sense anymore at this point?

This episode is definitely all kinds of wrong and my thought is that the producers no longer cared - which is no excuse not to be consistent with characterization and not to be true to the original premise of the story which gained the show it's fan base from the start. It shouldn't be - oh the ratings are bad so write anything; the show will be cancelled soon anyway. I hate that kind of capitalist businessman's thinking; it never bodes well for art.