Another board I used to go to did something like this. They dedicated a thread to "mysteries" where everyone just posted things that didn't make sense, didn't add up, conflicted with something else said in the show, etc. I thought it might be fun to see what we came up with for Cheers! I hope there isn't already a thread like this, I didn't see (an active!) one. :)

The fact that Anthony announced that Annie (Carla's daughter-in-law) was pregnant, and Carla went into a crisis.
But after the episode ended, it was never mentioned again.

In the Tortellis spinoff, she is not pregnant either.

Technically not a "mystery" - but does anybody know who actually painted that picture of Diane in the final episode of season 2? I really like that painting.

In "Call Me Irresponsible " the gang sends Carla flowers that are supposedly from Eddie for their second wedding anniversary. She knows they aren't from Eddie because he signed the card "Edward" but his real name is "Gui."

But then in "Death Takes a Holiday on Ice," Eddie is called "Edward LeBec" at his funeral.

Originally posted by Chambers
Technically not a "mystery" - but does anybody know who actually painted that picture of Diane in the final episode of season 2? I really like that painting.

Do you mean that hysterical black velvet painting?

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Do you mean that hysterical black velvet painting?
Haha no - not the horrible mail-order one. I'm talking about the one Chrisopher LLoyd's character painted. The grey and white one.

Maybe there's a "special thanks" kind of thing for it in the closing credits? I haven't seen that episode in years, even though it's on the DVDs.

Originally posted by slackermonkey
Maybe there's a "special thanks" kind of thing for it in the closing credits? I haven't seen that episode in years, even though it's on the DVDs.

Oh good idea. I should check out the credits.

Actually, the reason that Anthony/Annie's baby was dropped was because Rhea had an absolute cow over the idea of having to play a grandmother and stormed into the producers' office, screaming that no way were they bringing a baby onto the series. She ordered Anthony and Annie OFF THE SHOW. Further, not wanting to share the spotlight with Jay Thomas any longer, she ordered him written out as well so that all future "Carla" stories could concentrate ONLY on Carla (and not Carla/Jay or Carla and her kids). That's why Jay Thomas was killed "off-screen" and never actually seen again, and why Anthony and Annie were never mentioned again.

Originally posted by studio_archives
Actually, the reason that Anthony/Annie's baby was dropped was because Rhea had an absolute cow over the idea of having to play a grandmother and stormed into the producers' office, screaming that no way were they bringing a baby onto the series. She ordered Anthony and Annie OFF THE SHOW. Further, not wanting to share the spotlight with Jay Thomas any longer, she ordered him written out as well so that all future "Carla" stories could concentrate ONLY on Carla (and not Carla/Jay or Carla and her kids). That's why Jay Thomas was killed "off-screen" and never actually seen again, and why Anthony and Annie were never mentioned again.

Wow...how did you learn all this?

I never thought of Anthony and Annie being part of the whole "focus on Carla only thing"
Makes sense now, though.


I did however hear that the entire cast (sans Rhea) and the guy that played Eddie all thought he would come back in the next season as a main character, but Rhea was sick of having to share her time with him. She thought Carla should be single

At the time I was dating one of the runners on the show (Lori Moneymaker). And it wasn't that Anthony & Annie were hogging all the screentime. No, it was more that Rhea didn't want to share any of the spotlight at all -- with anyone. When they did a "Carla" show, she wanted it to be just about Carla, instead of Carla & Eddie or Carla & Nick or Carla & her kids. Rhea, you have to understand, felt that she was only cast on CHEERS (and especially on TAXI) because of her husband. As a result, she was very insecure.

Originally posted by studio_archives
At the time I was dating one of the runners on the show (Lori Moneymaker). And it wasn't that Anthony & Annie were hogging all the screentime. No, it was more that Rhea didn't want to share any of the spotlight at all -- with anyone. When they did a "Carla" show, she wanted it to be just about Carla, instead of Carla & Eddie or Carla & Nick or Carla & her kids. Rhea, you have to understand, felt that she was only cast on CHEERS (and especially on TAXI) because of her husband. As a result, she was very insecure.

What exactly is a runner?


And this is very cool.
I hope you stay around.
The closest we've gotten to a cast member yet....
Did you meet any of them??

I think he's talking about a showrunner. It's a producer who works behind-the-scenes and... runs the show. :p

I can kind of understand where Rhea was coming from, though. She went straight from her "Taxi" appearances to "Cheers," and she would hardly ever get a story unless it involved pregnancy or Nick & Loretta. Especially in the later years, she got shafted when it came to stories.

Originally posted by studio_archives
At the time I was dating one of the runners on the show (Lori Moneymaker).

Wow!
I'd love it if you shared your knowledge with us.
This is very exciting for us, you see.

No, no, I mean 'runner' as in Producers' Assistant -- someone who runs to get them a sandwich, runs to get them more coffee, etc. A showrunner is quite different. A showrunner is the producer in charge. At that time David Lee and David Angel (who died on 911) were the show runners. Lori was a mere runner.

Originally posted by studio_archives
No, no, I mean 'runner' as in Producers' Assistant -- someone who runs to get them a sandwich, runs to get them more coffee, etc. A showrunner is quite different. A showrunner is the producer in charge. At that time David Lee and David Angel (who died on 911) were the show runners. Lori was a mere runner.

haha, well that's still amazing. Did you pick up on anything else the cast did?
When were you involved with her (what seasons of the show)?

Originally posted by studio_archives
No, no, I mean 'runner' as in Producers' Assistant -- someone who runs to get them a sandwich, runs to get them more coffee, etc. A showrunner is quite different. A showrunner is the producer in charge. At that time David Lee and David Angel (who died on 911) were the show runners. Lori was a mere runner.

My bad. I was wondering why I'd never heard of her or seen her name in the credits.

Lori has a chared card in the closing credits, en masee with the other assistants. She later moved on to work on BECKER as a line producer.

Here is a photo I took on the set, looking in the front door of the bar from "outside" in the alley. For more on set photos, you can visit my website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/

Originally posted by studio_archives
Lori has a chared card in the closing credits, en masee with the other assistants. She later moved on to work on BECKER as a line producer.

Here is a photo I took on the set, looking in the front door of the bar from "outside" in the alley. For more on set photos, you can visit my website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/

Quite possibly the coolest thing ever.

Originally posted by studio_archives
Lori has a chared card in the closing credits, en masee with the other assistants. She later moved on to work on BECKER as a line producer.

Here is a photo I took on the set, looking in the front door of the bar from "outside" in the alley. For more on set photos, you can visit my website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/


I'm still at the WOW phase. That is absolutely AWESOME. You're so lucky.

How does one become a runner??
And, if you don't mind me asking.... is the pay worth it??



I'm with you Chambers, definately WOW.

Originally posted by studio_archives
Lori has a chared card in the closing credits, en masee with the other assistants. She later moved on to work on BECKER as a line producer.

I meant as a showrunner. Back before I knew the difference between that and a 'runner.' :p

And those pictures are awesome. Thanks a lot for sharing.

Originally posted by barwars
How does one become a runner??
And, if you don't mind me asking.... is the pay worth it??


That's my dream job (if I fail as a sitcom writer). You get to sort of act like a stalker...but you get paid!

This is what the alley/steps outside the front door of the bar actually looked like, looking down from the top of the staircase toward the front door of the bar.

Originally posted by studio_archives
This is what the alley/steps outside the front door of the bar actually looked like, looking down from the top of the staircase toward the front door of the bar.

Very cool.

Originally posted by Chambers
That's my dream job (if I fail as a sitcom writer). You get to sort of act like a stalker...but you get paid!

I've read that many producers were once a producer's assitant (which I now know is a runner)

Originally posted by studio_archives
This is what the alley/steps outside the front door of the bar actually looked like, looking down from the top of the staircase toward the front door of the bar.

That has got to be the most famous entrance in sitcom history.

Sorry, but I had to shrink the photo down quite a bit to get it posted, but if you look closely you'll see a LIGHT hanging on the right side of the door. That's a cue light. It glows red when someone is supposed to enter. Also, if you look on the floor at the left side of the door you'll see a white bucket. That's to spit your gum into before you make an entrance. Little backstage trivia...

"I've read that many producers were once a producer's assitant (which I now know is a runner)"

Maybe some Line Producers (meaning budget producers, not creative producers), but I can't think of a single writer's assistant who was bumped up to staff writer. There's a stigma that's hard to overcome. I do know a lot of runners who managed to work their way up to editers and Line producers and even directors, but no writers. It's a very private party and a lot of people want in. A lot. I was amazed at how many staff members tried to write TORTELLIS scripts.

On the mysteries front:

Why was Frasier and Lilith's horrible parenting approach never resolved. It was touched upon, but really, nothing changed. Seriously, they hung out at the bar in the middle of the day, at night, we assume they must spend some time at there respective jobs...
Isn't that, you know, neglect?

Originally posted by Pirate Jenny
On the mysteries front:

Why was Frasier and Lilith's horrible parenting approach never resolved. It was touched upon, but really, nothing changed. Seriously, they hung out at the bar in the middle of the day, at night, we assume they must spend some time at there respective jobs...
Isn't that, you know, neglect?

Not if you have enough money to pay somebody to raise your kid.

Originally posted by studio_archives
Sorry, but I had to shrink the photo down quite a bit to get it posted, but if you look closely you'll see a LIGHT hanging on the right side of the door. That's a cue light. It glows red when someone is supposed to enter. Also, if you look on the floor at the left side of the door you'll see a white bucket. That's to spit your gum into before you make an entrance. Little backstage trivia...

Very cool.
So did you ever meet or just see any cast members?? If so, which ones?

when serefina got married in season 11, didnt all her kids show up? wasnt anthony and annie in that ep? or, at least, in season 6 when eddie and carla got married?

Anthony and Annie did not appear during season 11, and I don't think any of Carla's kids appeared when she married Eddie.

Anthony & Annie weren't in that 11th season episode -- or even mentioned. By that time, Timothy & Mandy and J Thomas had all been fired (thanks to Rhea!!!) and banned from the series. The last time Anthony and Annie were there was "Slumber Party Massacre" which was filmed in early 1989.

For photos of the CHEERS set, visit the Studio Archives website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/

Originally posted by studio_archives
For photos of the CHEERS set, visit the Studio Archives website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/

You should put your website link in your signature. Don't post it on every message you write because people will interpret it as spam.

So what other stories do you have about the cast?

Originally posted by Michael1973
Anthony and Annie did not appear during season 11, and I don't think any of Carla's kids appeared when she married Eddie.

I thought that Anthony did... because he got into an argument with Eddie and Carla wanted to marry Eddie anyway, even though her son hated him, which was why it was even worse of him to not want to marry Carla when his mother didn't like her.

But anyway, this episode was in 1987, which was before they got fired, anyway, right? :)

You are mistaken. You're thinking of the 1987 2-part episode in which Carla & Eddie got married. Both Anthony and Annie were in that episode (Little Carla, Married At Last."), yes. They were NOT, however, in the 11th season episode in which Carla's daughter Leah Reimi (sp) got married. Nick and Loretta were, but, as I said in an earlier post, Anthony and Annie had been banished by that point and were not even mentioned in the episode.

I was there the week they shot "Little Carla..." and I took many photos during camera blocking and filming, including shots of Anthony and Annie (Timothy and Mandy) on the set. I will post one below. The rest are on my website.

I was also on the set during filming on "Slumber Party Massacre."

Looking at all of these pictures, I've decided there needs to be a "Cheers" coffee table book. They have ones for "Friends" and "Will & Grace" and eleventy billion for "Seinfeld"... why not "Cheers?"

Originally posted by studio_archives
Anthony & Annie weren't in that 11th season episode -- or even mentioned. By that time, Timothy & Mandy and J Thomas had all been fired (thanks to Rhea!!!) and banned from the series. The last time Anthony and Annie were there was "Slumber Party Massacre" which was filmed in early 1989.

For photos of the CHEERS set, visit the Studio Archives website:

http://mysite.verizon.net/vzentja9/


I visited that link and LOVED it!!!! http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v34/TroyandLindseyFan/hearts.gif

Why were those actors fired?

Originally posted by Michael1973
Why were those actors fired?

I think they got fired because Rhea didn't want to share a storyline with other characters. So she got them fired much as Shelley would have gotten Kelsey fired (good lord) had she gotten her way.

Originally posted by Chambers
I think they got fired because Rhea didn't want to share a storyline with other characters. So she got them fired much as Shelley would have gotten Kelsey fired (good lord) had she gotten her way.

Oh, life would have never made since if Kelsey had been fired.

Originally posted by Moondance
Oh, life would have never made since if Kelsey had been fired.

So true. I can't imagine the show without him as a regular. Imagine if he had stayed for only the 7 episodes he was first signed up to do? (Is that right?)

Why did Shelley want him fired, anyway? I heard it was because she wanted Sam and Diane back together. (Which would've been way too soon anyway!) Ironically, she put the nail in that coffin when she ended up leaving. lol.

Frasier was in more than seven episodes throughout season 3, but I don't know if he was supposed to stick around all season as he did or if he was supposed to be in seven and got extended for more episodes.

Shelley wanted Frasier off for a number of reasons, but mostly she wanted Sam & Diane back together and didn't like the character of Frasier because she thought one intellectual in the bar was enough.

A question for studio_archives:
Did you get to meet Phoef Sutton? He was always one of my favourite Cheers writers. props:

Even though we're way off the mysteries topic, lol, this one puzzles me. I don't know if it's because I've only seen this episode on TV Land so maybe something's cut? But in Chambers vs. Malone when everyone gathers around (what was his name?) Sam's lawyer at the bar to hear about how he was arressted, there's a roll of wrapping paper on the bar. lol. It just seemed so random to me. Is there a scene that's missing or something?

Also, Frasier kept saying in season 11 that he and Lilith had been married seven years. Which isn't right, right? What makes it even more obvious is that in that same episode, Woody says he came to Boston seven years ago (which was correct) and he appeared before Frasier even returned after almost marrying Diane.

Originally posted by ChambersVsMalone
Even though we're way off the mysteries topic, lol, this one puzzles me. I don't know if it's because I've only seen this episode on TV Land so maybe something's cut? But in Chambers vs. Malone when everyone gathers around (what was his name?) Sam's lawyer at the bar to hear about how he was arressted, there's a roll of wrapping paper on the bar. lol. It just seemed so random to me. Is there a scene that's missing or something?

Considering the episodes on TV Land are syndicated, then more than likely, yes, something's missing there.

Syndication = evil.