Hey did anyone see the case today about a young pregnant woman and her 6 year old son dissapearing? I was wondering if that case had ever been solved, and what year did this happen. Also what do you guys think? Do you think that the husband had anything to do with this?

I did a search after I saw this story today, their profile on Doe Network and MPCCN said they were still missing. I never used to think the husband was involved, he seemed to be telling the truth during his interview and when he said parts of the letter he received from Cecilia didn't sound like her made it seem as if he had no part in writing it. But on the other hand some things make him seem suspicious. The generic goodbye card and engagement and wedding rings in her jeep seem to have been planted. If it was a random person who abducted them, they wouldn't have gone to all that trouble. Also the fact that the letter from her wasn't handwritten so they couldn't verify it came from her. The most incriminating thing is when they said she didn't seem to take anything, clothes, toys, not even a toothbrush. So I would say I think the husband knows a lot more than he's saying.

I personally think that the husband knows who did the killing, or possibly even set up the killing, and he didn't do it just to save himself from obvious speculation, and also from his alibis from being at work or whatever. The mysterious phone calls she was getting from his co-workers and the threats make this seem evident to me. Since the husband didn't necessarily commit the crime, according to his plea, he can say he is 100% innocent, say she ran away, and get on with his life. The reasoning for her (and his son, which is even more sad if hes ever found dead) to be killed though is still a mystery to me. Everything seemed so perfect in the segment. It didnt make sense.

I remember the case but dont recall if they ever suspected that maybe she was being stalked for her unborn or not? Was that a theory? Man, this is exactly why I wish I had every espisode on tape :(

Originally posted by hottstuff25
I personally think that the husband knows who did the killing, or possibly even set up the killing, and he didn't do it just to save himself from obvious speculation, and also from his alibis from being at work or whatever.

Killing? What killing? We only know that Cecelia Newball and Rene Perez Jr. are missing. If anything, the more time passes, the less likely it seems that they are alive. Nevertheless, as long as they are missing, they are presumed alive until there's real proof to the contrary.

Wow, all these years and they are still missing. It seems like somebody involved would have slipped up somewhere along the way by now.

Wow, all these years and they are still missing. It seems like somebody involved would have slipped up somewhere along the way by now.
yeah I feel the same way. :(

I never knew what to think of this case. I have searched on here a few times and it has not been discussed too often.

It seems like someone was trying to lure her away from her home. The husband is the obvious suspect here, but on the other hand, he never did strike me as a murderer (assuming they are dead). Just a gut feeling.

I think there was some evidence that she left intentionally and maybe that is the most reasonable explanation. I seem to recall a rather dubious note was found indicating that she met a rich man (was he a doctor?) and she wasn't sure if the baby she was carrying was her husband's or the lover's. Since she was that close to giving birth - correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought she was far along into the pregnancy - maybe she decided it would be better to leave then with her lover and start a new life in the event she did give birth and the baby looked nothing like her husband.

Justin, IIRC, she was 8 or 8 1/2 months pregnant, so she was ready to deliver any day when she disappeared.

JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.
Those women tend to get caught pretty quickly. I'm doubtful that's what happened here.

Usually they do get caught quickly, but there's a lady in New York who's baby was abducted just as she and her sister walked out of the hospital with it to take the newborn home. That was around 1986 and the baby was never found.

Then there's Young Lay's newborn, who was abducted from his mother (who they murdered) and they didn't find the kid for 6 years.

So it's a possibility, just maybe not the most likely explanation for why she disappeared.

Justin, IIRC, she was 8 or 8 1/2 months pregnant, so she was ready to deliver any day when she disappeared.

JMO, but I believe this is very possible that this is one of those cases where she was watched and abducted because of her ver obvious pregnancy, by one of those crazy women who kills the pregnant woman and C-sections the baby to pass the child off as their own.

I think your theory holds water, TracyLynn. We can't forget that it was a woman that had been making phone calls and trying to lure Ceceila out to meet her. I wonder if the police ever looked into the possibility, and perhaps checked to see if any women within say, a 50 mile radius, reported an "unattended home birth" around the date that Ceceilia vanished. Or maybe did so when it came time to get the baby a birth certificate? There could likely be a paper trail somewhere.

I understand that the husband is always going to be a suspect in these cases, but this guy just didn't give me the vibe that some previous UM spouses did. I think there are at least a few other possibilities in this case, I wish there were some updates!

Hi,

I just watched this elsewhere online, it's definitely worth viewing for those unfamiliar with the story.

What I don't understand is why the police have stated their belief that the husband has something to do with her disappearance. I mean, it is possible that he knows more than he is telling but on both the Doe Network and the UM episode they mention that the police suspect the husband. I don't really understand why they would say this unless there is more they know that has been publicly released. Based on the information we know, it doesn't seem to lead to such a conclusion.

Also, it seems that the mysterious woman caller actually used the name of a co-worker of the husband's so she had some type of contact with the husband or knowledge of his workplace.

The whole thing seems very odd- the husband's strange behavior post-disappearance, the bizarre notes and 2 bizarre calls, nothing really adds up to anything. Also, the husband appears to have a complete and total lack of motive for both killing his wife and his stepson (or having them killed).

Troublesome case.

What I don't understand is why the police have stated their belief that the husband has something to do with her disappearance. I mean, it is possible that he knows more than he is telling but on both the Doe Network and the UM episode they mention that the police suspect the husband. I don't really understand why they would say this unless there is more they know that has been publicly released. Based on the information we know, it doesn't seem to lead to such a conclusion.

Could just be because he is her husband and probably was the closest person to her at the time of her disappearance. Most murder investigations begin with the family unless it is immediately obvious that someone else was involved.

I re-read my earlier post on this thread, and having not seen the segment again more recently, I concur with what I said back then. I don't have a definite opinion on it. The husband could have done something to her, but I just didn't get the same vibe from Alfredo Newball that I did get from some other "concerned" spouses like Judy Groezinger, Mark Nichols, Paul Pollis, Don Sherman, etc. Just a gut feeling really.

Hmm, yes, I am inclined to agree with Justin and a few others. I do not know what it is but for some reason I have NEVER had even the slightest feeling that Alfredo Newbal did this or had anything to do with the disappearance of his wife and step son. Yes he should have been investigated as he was the husband, he was the stepfather and he was the presumed father of the child Ceceila was carrying. However I just do not think he did it for some reason, it is like with Justin, just a gut feeling.

I think the problem in this case was the LAPD was WAY too quick to focus in on Alfredo and only Alfredo and thus the opportunity to investigate other leads and other suspects ceased. It was tunnel vision. I actually do think it is very likely, that Ceceila was killed by this mystery woman. But who knows? I mean by all accounts, Alfredo and Ceceila had a good marriage, and that Alfredo and his stepson had a good relationship and got along well. So I just do not see the motive here. By all accounts Alfredo was excited that Ceceila was pregnant and was not apprehensive or angry or upset about it in anyway. So I do not know, only Alfredo knows for sure but I have always had the feeling that unlike some of the other 'concerned' spouses that Alfredo really is innocent.

Yeah Alfredo is innocent in my book. There wasn't any dirt on the guy. No one came forward with any details. Only the friend and the cop said he seemed unusually calm when realizing of her disappearance. I mean, she apparently left him, he wasn't thinking she was kidnapped. So he could have had other emotions ranging from sad, depressed, shocked and so on. Either one of those emotions are normal for a man who just realized that his wife left him.

IMO they are looking in the wrong direction. It is almost as if the cops are putting all of their eggs in one basket and hoping he slips up. There are many husbands who gave you the creeps and acted weird in the interviews, Alfredo wasn't one of them. I kept waiting for the dirt on him but it never came and it left me wondering why he is zeroed in on.

The mystery woman seems to be the key. Stranger things have happened than a woman being kidnapped for her unborn child. I'm sure the abductors didn't plan on having a 6 year old kid dragged along with them but either way even the friend of Cecilia thought it was too fantastic of a coincidence.

I don't buy into her leaving him. She would contact her family at the very least. And I don't buy into Alfredo doing it. He has no motive, and there was seemingly a great marriage with a woman who worshipped the ground he walked on. Abduction is my pick

I also do not believe that Alfredo had anything to do with his wife's disappearance. Cecelia's friend (the man that Alfredo apparently phoned that night) said that he would have been screaming over the phone at the person he thought his wife was with, but I think that Alfredo was calm because he honestly figured that Cece was with this guy and wasn't the least bit afraid.

I did wonder, however, if Alfredo knew more than he was telling. Not that he was involved directly, but that he had an idea of who *was* involved and why, and chose not to disclose this information for some reason. This is just my opinion, though.

TracyLynn's theory is a good one.

bump

Alfredo was a strange guy, that's for sure

The only odd thing about Alfredo when he mentioned he was leaving work on the day Cecile dissapeared and it struck him as he was going out the door that he had to go kiss her again. Not odd I guess but just makes you question if he knew something. I have no idea where to lead on this but based on the photos she was a very attractive lady and I'm sure had had a lot of mens attention. Either she ran off with a more wealthy guy whom could have fathered her baby as one letter indicated or she was abducted so someone could take her baby. Strange case, hopefully someday it gets solved.

with disappearances, usually you know if there is foul play through their "preparation" for disappearance.

there was no "preparation" for leaving her husband. There was no mention of it. Thus everyone and LE pretty much know there is foul play involved.

she is quite attractive.

his story doesn't fit. the magical feeling he had and calling home "fearing the worst". fearing what...what feeling is he having. I'm sure LE is asking this and not content with his answers.

the letters are clearly suspicious. i mean the letter has information has information that probably indicates he wrote it himself. he's not even concerned his pregnant wife is gone at night.

one interesting fact was that her friends said she was totally in love and happy in the relationship.

its clear that she and her son are probably deceased and that alfredo had something to do with it. without bodies and without more evidence its really hard to crack this case. i'd really like to hear more from friends what cece was telling them about their marriage. i'd like to test for dna on that letter in off chance you might get a trace. there might be ways to crack this case. trace what alfredo was doing afterwards. trace phone calls from the appoximate times those suspicious calls were made.

I see one of two things happening here:

-I think it's entirely possible that the letter sent to Alfredo was authentic and Cecelia simply decided to run away with a lover (possibly the father to her unborn child and not Alfredo) to a foreign country. The only thing that would not make any sense with this scenario however, is that Ceceila's son did not take any toys or any other belongings with him.

-I think the more likely scenario is that whoever the "mysterious woman caller" was is responsible for Ceceila's disappearance. I think this may have been a setup of some sort by a group of people who wanted to steal her unborn baby. I believe this is why the woman lied about the "baby furniture" over the phone, so she could get Ceceila away without arousing her suspicion. I don't think they anticipated her bringing along her son Renee, however and unfortunately I think both of them were killed.

I never got the impression that Alfredo Newball was involved, or being "untruthful". I just don't see any reason given as to why Alfredo would do any harm to Ceceila, considering she was pregnant with his baby and about to give birth. Even Ceceila's friend never made any mention of a rift in their relationship. The evidence against him just isn't there.

No preparation was made, no clothing or toys for the kid, no luggage was done, and - I must remind you - we have a 8 months pregnant woman. Have you ever seen a woman that pregnant attempt to move around? It would have been hard for her to move around without help, without preparation in case she breaks her waters. She would have also been flagged in any hospital and airport in the United States after having been declared missing.

I haven't changed my mind one bit on this case: it has foul play written all about it. She wasn't the type, nor she had the history or character traits, to have waited 8 months to dump a cuckold husband to run away with her lover: she would have done is as soon as she learned she was to have a baby if she was, and every character witness attests that she adored her husband.

However, there is absolutely no proof that links Alfredo to any foul play either, except the usual "the husband must have done it". We have the third hypothesis which is credible as well : that indeed a nurse or a woman crazed for a baby, with or without accomplices, lured Cecilia away from her husband, killed her and René, stole her baby, and got rid of the bodies.

People argue that he didn't seem concerned, and they base their impressions on what Alfredo exhibited during the interview. First, not all people break down and weep like little girls in front of the camera. Some do, and some do not. He could have very well tried to remain cool to give the appearance that he was in control of himself. Second, he might have been nervous or bewildered by the interview and that the fact he was considered a suspect, and maybe Alfredo is a socially awkward person. Third, remember that interviews were edited and cut in montage, so we do not know what has been left out before diffusion. Fourth and finally, not a shred of evidence has been showed that might link Alfredo to any wrongdoing in this case, after years of investigation, except that he believe that she has left him for another man. If he hasn't done anything to her, and he does not believe that a woman would be wacko enough to kill his wife and stepson, there's not a lot of options for him remaining that hoping she is indeed alive and well with another man: It's the least horrifying option.

I read a couple news accounts from the past year that police have confirmed that Alfredo Newball was having an affair at the time of Cecilia and Rene's disappearance. I think he had something to do with it. Possible scenarios:

- Alfredo was behind Cecelia’s and son’s disappearance. Think about it. She got pregnant right after they got married. She had a 4 year old son. Alfredo was a nurse’s assistant, so I doubt he had much money. I think he felt like he had gotten into something and started regretting it, plus he had a new girlfriend. (Sound familiar? – typical Scott Peterson). The phone call from the woman about the furniture was either a set up to put Cecelia and her son somewhere away from the apartment to kill them, or Alfredo killed them the night before and intended for it to appear she had been abducted. I definitely believe the girlfriend was involved.
- Possibly the girlfriend killed them herself, but why would Alfredo not go to the police? Why would he try to cover for her if he wasn't involved?
- Alfredo might have hired someone to kill them, but it’s doubtful he had the money, unless the gf had some money.
- Did Alfredo end up marrying the gf? Where is she now? If she wasn’t involved, or even if she was somewhat involved, why not go to the police? If they are no longer together, I wonder how the relationship ended.

Comments/Questions:
- Why was Cecilia’s car parked in front of the apartment? Why would an unknown killer, Alfredo or his gf park it in broad daylight and risk being seen? Unless it was actually parked there at night. Maybe it wasn’t parked there at all and Alfredo just claimed it was. But why?
- An unknown killer wouldn’t go to the trouble of writing notes, pretending to be Cecilia.
- Even in the unlikely event Cecilia did write the notes, why would she go to the trouble of detailing her whereabouts and who she was with? Not very likely. If anything, she would have just stated that she was leaving. Of course, she didn’t take anything, so we basically know she didn’t leave of her own volition.

I read a couple news accounts from the past year that police have confirmed that Alfredo Newball was having an affair at the time of Cecilia and Rene's disappearance. I think he had something to do with it. Possible scenarios:

- Alfredo was behind Cecelia’s and son’s disappearance. Think about it. She got pregnant right after they got married. She had a 4 year old son. Alfredo was a nurse’s assistant, so I doubt he had much money. I think he felt like he had gotten into something and started regretting it, plus he had a new girlfriend. (Sound familiar? – typical Scott Peterson). The phone call from the woman about the furniture was either a set up to put Cecelia and her son somewhere away from the apartment to kill them, or Alfredo killed them the night before and intended for it to appear she had been abducted. I definitely believe the girlfriend was involved.
- Possibly the girlfriend killed them herself, but why would Alfredo not go to the police? Why would he try to cover for her if he wasn't involved?
- Alfredo might have hired someone to kill them, but it’s doubtful he had the money, unless the gf had some money.
- Did Alfredo end up marrying the gf? Where is she now? If she wasn’t involved, or even if she was somewhat involved, why not go to the police? If they are no longer together, I wonder how the relationship ended.

Comments/Questions:
- Why was Cecilia’s car parked in front of the apartment? Why would an unknown killer, Alfredo or his gf park it in broad daylight and risk being seen? Unless it was actually parked there at night. Maybe it wasn’t parked there at all and Alfredo just claimed it was. But why?
- An unknown killer wouldn’t go to the trouble of writing notes, pretending to be Cecilia.
- Even in the unlikely event Cecilia did write the notes, why would she go to the trouble of detailing her whereabouts and who she was with? Not very likely. If anything, she would have just stated that she was leaving. Of course, she didn’t take anything, so we basically know she didn’t leave of her own volition.

Very interesting information about Alfredo Newball. Do you happen to have a link to the articles that talk about the affair? Initially I really thought he was genuine but if he was having an affair at the time she went missing it would cast more suspicion on him as well as the woman he was dating then.

Very interesting information about Alfredo Newball. Do you happen to have a link to the articles that talk about the affair? Initially I really thought he was genuine but if he was having an affair at the time she went missing it would cast more suspicion on him as well as the woman he was dating then.

I tried to post the url but because I'm new, I'm not allowed. Have to post at least 5 times? Anyway, it's lacountymurders.com where the LA Sheriff's office posted a bulletin asking for information because it has been determined he was having an affair. Another article I found basically quoted this article.

It's been almost 18 years since the disappearance. It's time for justice. I hope authorities can wrap this case up so there is justice for Cecilia, Rene and the baby. So sad.

I'd have to say that if Alfredo was indeed having an extramarital affair then he's almost certainly going to be considered a suspect. I wonder if the "mysterious woman" on the phone was in fact Alfredo's mistress? And if Alfredo knew Cecelia was going to be murdered, doesn't that bring a new meaning to the reason he stopped and kissed her one last time (the last time he is alleged to have seen her)?

I tried to post the url but because I'm new, I'm not allowed. Have to post at least 5 times? Anyway, it's lacountymurders.com where the LA Sheriff's office posted a bulletin asking for information because it has been determined he was having an affair. Another article I found basically quoted this article.

It's been almost 18 years since the disappearance. It's time for justice. I hope authorities can wrap this case up so there is justice for Cecilia, Rene and the baby. So sad.

Thanks for the info. Here's the link:

http://www.lacountymurders.com/wanted/099-00062-3199-011.pdf

I found another old article about her case. Pretty strange that Rene Perez' father apparently moved into the apartment with Alfredo after the two went missing.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-09-29/local/me-44410_1_police-fear

Thanks for the info. Here's the link:

http://www.lacountymurders.com/wanted/099-00062-3199-011.pdf

I found another old article about her case. Pretty strange that Rene Perez' father apparently moved into the apartment with Alfredo after the two went missing.

http://articles.latimes.com/1994-09-29/local/me-44410_1_police-fear

Thanks for the link! I definitely find it extremely odd that Rene's father moved in with Alfredo after they went missing. Unless it was just him staying over with the hopes that Cecelia was alive and wond call and/or return to the apartment.

I was surprised to find I haven't commented on this case before.

I too didn't get the impression Alfredo was involved. I checked out that second article above, and he was apparently grief-stricken. If he came off as unconcerned in the segment (a vibe which I didn't get) there are many explanations for it, as Drakken pionted out. Plus, there's the consideration that time has passed since then. There is some (but perhaps not complete) truth to the adage "time heals all wounds." and perhaps the initial shock wore off.

I agree that the letter/card was, in most likelihood, not written by Cecilia, but that doesn't necessarily mean Alfredo was behind it. I think the statement that she left for Honduras with a doctor named Arturo may have been something to throw the impending investigation into her disappearance off track. Then again, maybe not. If she's moved to another part of the world, she wouldn't be extremely easy to track.

It seemed there was a fair chance they were lured away by the woman, and met with foul play shortly thereafter, though I can't dismiss the possibility of voluntary disappearance.

I was surprised to find I haven't commented on this case before.

I too didn't get the impression Alfredo was involved. I checked out that second article above, and he was apparently grief-stricken. If he came off as unconcerned in the segment (a vibe which I didn't get) there are many explanations for it, as Drakken pionted out. Plus, there's the consideration that time has passed since then. There is some (but perhaps not complete) truth to the adage "time heals all wounds." and perhaps the initial shock wore off.

I agree that the letter/card was, in most likelihood, not written by Cecilia, but that doesn't necessarily mean Alfredo was behind it. I think the statement that she left for Honduras with a doctor named Arturo may have been something to throw the impending investigation into her disappearance off track. Then again, maybe not. If she's moved to another part of the world, she wouldn't be extremely easy to track.

It seemed there was a fair chance they were lured away by the woman, and met with foul play shortly thereafter, though I can't dismiss the possibility of voluntary disappearance.


One of my biggest pet peeves with UM (well, actually fans of UM ...many of whom are on this board) is how quick they are to point out that somebody did not seem grief stricken when interviewed or based on a reenactment. You have to remember these segments are sometimes not broadcast until several years after the disappearance, murder, etc. Also, the segments are short but that does not mean the interviews are short. They are edited to fit into the tidy segments UM used. The one example I always point to is Colleen Ritter. Folks on here said she didn't seem upset about her parents. For the 8 minutes (or so) Colleen actually appeared on camera, she may have bee interviewed for an hour being asked about her parents, etc. She could have broken down during that time (possibly to the point anything she said would be unusable since you couldn't understand it through the crying). Her segment isn't the only one. Some folks say Tim McClure didn't seem concerned during his reenactment.[I] Are you kidding me? It's a reenactment. People also said the same thing about Rob Shaffer in the Angela Hammond segment. Tim McClure's interview seemed strange for sure but to point to any reenactment (or an interview yeas after the fact) as a basis for an opinion of guilt or innocence is absurd to me.

Fair enough, but Tim's mood during his interview is by far not the only reason he's guilty. I won't repeat the many reasons here, I'll just say they can be easily found.

Actually, I thought Tim's mood during the segment was one of the few things (if not, the only thing) that worked to his advantage. They had implied he was something of a mama's boy, and his relative soft-spokenness seemed to back that up.

Anyways, it was stated that Rene's father moved into Alfredo's apartment right afterwards. That would be another thing to point to Alfredo's innocence. If he was guilty, I can't imagine him inviting Rene's father to live with him, where his every move and statement can be monitored. If Alfredo had killed them at the home, he would have to clean up all that evidence. No doubt Rene's father would be looking for blood splatters.

I haven't seen this segment in ages but i thought Alfredo was very much guilty as well. I felt he would've been the prime suspect, and that the evidence best pointed towards him, if only circumstantially. But as another poster mentioned earlier in the thread, this certainly seems to be a case where a lack of physical evidence pointing toward a crime has obviously severely stalled the investigation.

http://www.lacountymurders.com/wanted/099-00062-3199-011.pdf

Wanted to bump this thread up because we were discussing it in another thread (where I thought I had new news). But way back in 2012, a new member here brought up info about the link mentioned above.

It's the one that states that as of 2011, police determined that Alfredo was having an affair during Cecelia's pregnancy and is considered a POI in the Cecelia and Rene's disappearances.

I don't know how I missed that info before....

Definitely leaning towards this "mystery woman" as the one Alfredo was having an affair with. And I think he knows what happened, but he probably didn't do the actual killing.

Definitely leaning towards this "mystery woman" as the one Alfredo was having an affair with. And I think he knows what happened, but he probably didn't do the actual killing.

I agree. And I sooooooo wanted him to be completely innocent in this, but I don't think that's the case. He may not have been the killer, but I think Rene and Cecelia are dead and Alfredo knows exactly what happened.

It's been awhile since I've seen the segment, but I had no idea that none of Cecilia's personal belongings were taken with her when she disappeared. That's a huge red flag that she did not disappear on her own free will.

Having recently re-watched this segment and then found this topic on the boards and reading how Alfredo was having an affair, I'm inclined to agree with those of you who believe Alfredo was involved but not necessarily the killer.

A poster above mentioned that Alfredo was having an affair at the time of Cecila and Rene's disappearance. I'd be curious to know how much longer Alfredo carried on a relationship with that woman and if that woman's phone records were checked to see if she was "mystery woman" calling Cecelia.

It has been mentioned, but I will go over the theories again, theories that came into my mind too:

-Cecilia did not cheat on Alfredo, it was the exact opposite. When she found out that Alfredo was cheating on her, Cecilia and him got into an argument, and whether he meant to or not, Alfredo killed Cecilia, and Rene was collateral damage, as he witnessed it and could report it to police.

-The woman who called Cecilia about the infidelity on videotape was a lover of Alfredo's, who may have killed Cecilia and Rene to get them out of the way so she and Alfredo could have a relationship.

-The other woman caller who wanted Cecilia to pick out a piece of furniture for the baby shower, probably couldn't have a child of her own or had lost a child, and lured Cecilia somewhere and killed her, and then removed her baby by force. This call and the prior phone call might or might not be from the same woman.

Due to Alfredo's behavior, I believe the most plausible theory is that Alfredo killed Cecilia, whether they got into an argument or not, so he could be with another woman (or women), or Cecilia was angry about the affair(s) she possibly had found out about and Alfredo killed her due to the fact he was cheating on her all together and wanted to shut Cecilia up (also killing Rene Perez because he witnessed his mom's murder and could report it, or was going to be killed anyways), and may or may not have continued to see said lover (or lovers) after the fact.

It's also possible Alfredo did not want to father a second child after all, and killed Cecilia, Rene and the unborn child. Another possibility is that Alfredo and another person (a male acquaintance or a female lover) planned and carried out the murders of Cecilia and Rene so that Alfredo and his female lover could be together, maybe even taking the unborn child as their own (after removing it from Cecilia), and nobody knew Alfredo's lover so that this possible fact could be hidden. Could also be said that one of Alfredo's lovers killed Cecilia and Rene via her own motives and Alfredo did not know about this, only learning about it secondhand from the lover, and did not want to tell the police or Cecilia's family when they questioned him, either out of fear, shock or guilt.

Lastly, another possibility is that a woman, whether related to Alfredo's extramarital affairs or not, lured Cecilia away, under the pretense of giving Cecilia baby furniture, and killed Cecilia somewhere away from home and cut the unborn baby out of her to take for herself, either because she had lost a child of her own, was unable to have a child, or to sell the child. Rene in this case was collateral damage because Cecilia took him with her when they went out to see this woman about baby furniture.

I can see why people might be suspicious of Alfredo, but I don't know... I just always got this vibe from him that he was completely innocent. One detail that stuck out for me in his UM interview was when he made his public plea for Cecilia to tell someone she's alive and specifically asked her to contact her father because he wasn't doing well. I thought he sounded sincere when he said that and genuinely sad about the fact that Cecilia's father was suffering. It just didn't strike me as something a guilty person would say.

I wouldn't discount the possibility that Alfredo might have been having an affair or something and was reluctant to talk about it, but I don't think he had anything to do with the disappearances.

I think the mystery woman who planned the fake baby shower did it. I always thought she wanted a baby and tried to take hers.