"what..you haven't done anyting spontaneous in your life"

maddie dreams of her life with david. the new david she believes he will be, the way she always wanted him to be. yet she yearns for the old david.
walter bishop debutes on the train. they talk. eventualy, maddie tells walter that david is not the baby's father.
maddie is back at Blue Moon. she tells david that she married walter bishop the night before in las vegas. and the baby is not his.

pat boone did a great job as the new david in maddies dreams. he was a ward cleaver and jim anderson rolled into one.

the marriage was upsetting enough to knock the rating down a bit. nobody watching wanted that.

rating: 6.5

There are some really cool things about this episode (Maddie's hot dream of her and David in the living room---patterned right after Body Heat...replete with the music, the windchimes, the busted glass door) and how the office greets her back and even David's reaction to seeing her.... But I don't particularly care for all the Freudian stuff going on in Maddie's head about trains, husbands, and the office...I think they are trying to make you understand and symphathize with her crisis....but all I wanted at that point was her butt in L.A. with David.

Cybill/Maddie is just beautiful in this episode. And from the moment she is back in the office for real, the whole series regains its chemistry..... and even though she announces the baby isn't David's and she is married to someone else..... I know I just never believed her on either point. She may think she went through the motions of marrying someone else, but I knew it would never stick...and I knew and I firmly believe she knew that was David's baby.

Boy Cindy, what is it today on this board?! You took the whole story right of my mouth!

I have so many mixed emotions about this one. I love Maddie's dream, of course. It was great seeing Bruce and Cybill back together again and what a reunion scene! I also loved their real reunion and how they look at each other. I also loved the things Maddie said to Walter about David. Maddie usually didn't let her guard down like that. But...then there's the ending where we're supposed to believe that Maddie is so unhinged about the possiblity of changing David or marrying him that she elopes after three days. Sorry, I can't buy it! And it was so cruel for the fans after having Maddie and David apart for months. In spite of that, I think the next three episodes after this one are very good! And I agree that Maddie knew deep down that David was the father. I think he did too, as we will see in the next episodes.

I remember adoring this episode when I first saw it, but I think that was probably only because of the reunion scene. :p That's one of my favorite ML scenes ever...just because of "The Look." *sigh*

:D

Ya know....something just crossed my mind about this episode. This episode unsettled me quite a bit at the time and it wasn't just how it ended...it was throughout it, and I never could quite figure out why. But re-reading these posts, I think I know why now. During this episode, the show was playing with our emotions. There were at least 3 or 4 times there were reunions of Maddie and David...well or so we thought at first, and then they weren't real. First, right at the beginning we see Maddie walk into the office and we think this is the reunion with David...but then it is the Pat Boone David and not the real David. And then we have that Body Heat dream of Maddie that reunites Maddie with the real David....except this is a dream and not real either. And then when she finally does for real arrive at the office, we see their reunion but then they fight and David storms out. So there is still another reunion where he comes in to make up and we think FINALLY! but then we find out that they are not really reunited like we would like, since she is now married to someone else.

I guess what I am saying is there was no real reunion with the two characters that we had been waiting and waiting and waiting for. It was all an illusion of reunion. And that is what unsettled me.

I remember too being very dissapointed when Maddie said she was married when Dave was hugging and kissing her and welcoming her...
What a bummer, that ruined my mood!
(and almost the whole epi)

I saw the beginning, where Maddie comes out of the elevator and is covering her belly with her purse. I also saw the ending and it made me sad that David walked out of her office and yelled CONGRATULATIONS in such a non-believing way. (of course I understand why, but Maddies look in her eyes saddens me...:( )

I still have to wait for the rest to download (I know, I know, I promise to buy the DVDs when they come out ;) You know me, I want the real deal)

It's almost on 50%, and I started before I went to London...

*sigh*

I agree that this episode is quite an anti climax all the way through. Just as you think they will be honest with each other, something happens..

I think the scene (Body heat type dream sequence) is not only a great scene ;) but its very telling. Maddie needs David, whether she realises it or not. "I need this, I need you".

I still find it hard to believe however that she really thinks that by settling down with her, David would become a dull but dutiful husband. After knowing him for several years she should know better! David is someone with a real love of life, a spark, and if anything, she sparks him off even more!

Mul

Ya know....something just crossed my mind about this episode. This episode unsettled me quite a bit at the time and it wasn't just how it ended...it was throughout it, and I never could quite figure out why. But re-reading these posts, I think I know why now. During this episode, the show was playing with our emotions. There were at least 3 or 4 times there were reunions of Maddie and David...well or so we thought at first, and then they weren't real. First, right at the beginning we see Maddie walk into the office and we think this is the reunion with David...but then it is the Pat Boone David and not the real David. And then we have that Body Heat dream of Maddie that reunites Maddie with the real David....except this is a dream and not real either. And then when she finally does for real arrive at the office, we see their reunion but then they fight and David storms out. So there is still another reunion where he comes in to make up and we think FINALLY! but then we find out that they are not really reunited like we would like, since she is now married to someone else.

I guess what I am saying is there was no real reunion with the two characters that we had been waiting and waiting and waiting for. It was all an illusion of reunion. And that is what unsettled me.

I am having a great Moonlighting week. I am off work and abc1 just showed this episode which is another I hadn't seen before. While I think there were lots of good bits in it and I really rather liked it I agree with Cindy that its an unsettling episode. However I find myself unsettled by Moonlighting anyway, it has a way of getting under my skin and making me feel ... unsettled is as good a word as any. Maybe I am just crazy:crazy:

Hi , I saw that episode too this morning .I know we all hate the fact that it`s in this one she tells David that she is married and that he isn`t the father of her baby but it`s worth watching just for the Body Heat scene!!!!.My hubby was off work today and even he came and sat down and watched that part!And the part when David places his hand on Maddies pregnant belly and gets to feel the baby for the first time(when he stills thinks it`s his child,before Maddie drops her bombshell)Priceless!
The only problem is -is that i find my self screaming at the screen when Maddie tells David that the baby isn`t his and the fact that she has suddenly married this stranger(THIS IS NOT MADDIE AT ALL) she would have never married some guy after knowing him for just 3 days .She made David wait 2 YEARS before getting between the sheets with him , it didn`t make sense then and it doesn`t make sense now to me , eveytime i watch it my blood boils > WHY DID YOU DO IT GLENN!.:mad: :confused:

I'm with you, Laura! When and if we see season 4 on DVD, it should make for some very interesting commentaries trying to explain the inconsistencies in the writing. For starters, how about Maddie telling her Mom she doesn't know who the father is, then later telling Walter the baby isn't David's. :mad:

I'm with you, Laura! When and if we see season 4 on DVD, it should make for some very interesting commentaries trying to explain the inconsistencies in the writing. For starters, how about Maddie telling her Mom she doesn't know who the father is, then later telling Walter the baby isn't David's. :mad:
I think it will be interesting too ,to hear the excuses that they come up with for the wrongs that happened. Having David and Maddie finally get together wasn`t the problem,it was how the writers dealt with it afterwards, it was handled all wrong .BUT i have a nasty feeling that everyone involved in those storylines are going to avoid the issue and dance around it and not discuss it.
Considering that Glenn has always said that when he wrote the character -Maddie Hayes- he had Cybill in mind, he should have listened to Cybill a bit more,she understood the character better than anyone . Cybill knew that it was totally out of character for Maddie!!I applaude her for standing up to Glenn
There`s something that Glenn says during the reunion dvd segment that bugs me .He says that it was his job to make sure that Bruce and Cybill had scenes and lines that were actable and true to their characters and sometimes that came very late -so i have 1 question for Glenn WHAT HAPPENED!. What went on in season 4 was NOT true to Maddies character at all ! :confused:Remember when McGuilicuddy got married.

In my opinion the whole pregnancy and marrriage storyline was not necessary

Glenn says something on the DVDs about incorporating Cybill's pregnancy into the show but as far as I can see that's not what happened. When she was pregnant and we could all see it we didn't know Maddie was and later when Maddie came back from Chicago Cybill had had the twins :confused:

Yeah i never understood that either .At the time when it first aired in 1987 and Cybill was pregnant i assumed that they were going to write the real pregnancy into the show and that there would be no need to pad her out, but maybe with her bad morning sickness they had to re-think it.But it does seem a bit ironic that the writers spent all that effort on covering up the real bump only to give her a fake one later on .If they never intended to use the real pregnancy why bother writing it in to the show at all ,especailly because how they ended the pregnancy. I know it`s only television but i remember watching it back then and feeling totally numb and really upset ( i thought that all American tv shows had happy ending?).I would have rather them left the pregnancy thing out all together than give her a `miscarriage`although technically considering how far gone she was it would have had to have been a still-birth or a neo-natel death. I felt that the writers swept the whole thing under the carpet ,they should have given us closure and shown us something like the funeral or we could have seen Maddies parents come to LA for support and they could have given the baby a name /and i would have like to have seen both Maddie and David finding out that in-fact David was the babys father afterall.I understand that Moonlighting was supposed to be an upbeat funny show but i feel that the writers lit the fuse by doing the whole dead baby thing in the first place, so why couldn`t they have followed it through.As much as i love that scene in the elevator in Stuck Between A Yuk.... i just dont believe that it would have been enough for them to comes to terms with their loss. I mean how can a couple of hours being trapped in a lift alone together and a few tears be classed as dealing `with it` . I would have also like to have seen David grieving a bit more than he did ,we never really got to see how he felt about her losing the baby.
It just seems wrong that according to script ,Maddie and David have only just buried their baby 2 weeks prior and the writers have got them both running around doing silly chase scenes , laughing and making jokes at the end like nothing has happened.

That would have been a much more interesting storyline

I agree that they made a big mistake writing in the pregnancy that had to carry on way past Cybill's real pregnancy. That made no sense to me. The writers' strike just made it even worse. Maddie was pregnant forever! I think they could have kept it light and very "Moonlighting" to just ignore the fact that Cybill was obviously pregnant. They knew they were a TV show, right? Maddie didn't have to be pregnant. Instead, it got very dramatic with Maddie leaving David and finding out she was pregnant. Then it got completely convoluted with Maddie not knowing who the father was, then deciding it was Sam, and then marrying Walter to save David?? Then came the miscarriage, which was never mentioned again after "Yuk." By the time they tried to get back to the old formula of solving cases with a little flirting (very little), it was as if the past few years between them had never happened. :mad:

(Sorry for the rant! I'm calm... :lol: )

I have heard people say before that Maddie was pregnant for an awfully long time so I just checked the air dates. Wow she was prengant from at least May 1987 to Dec 1988. That's crazy even for Moonlighting

Jay Daniel's dates were almost as long.
According to him, Cybill was pregnant from September of 1986 until October of 1987.:eek:
That woman sure has long pregnancies in real life and in pretend life.:D
She must have been really tired.:wave:

In my opinion the whole pregnancy and marrriage storyline was not necessary

Glenn says something on the DVDs about incorporating Cybill's pregnancy into the show

I think you're exactly right... that is the cop-out he/they are probably going to use and it is just that.... a cop-out. There would have been plenty of ways to deal with her return rather than having her marry someone else and risk fans (and David) NEVER being able to forgive her for it. It was a bad play... they should just admit it and offer to apologize with a movie! :dance:

I think you're exactly right... that is the cop-out he/they are probably going to use and it is just that.... a cop-out. There would have been plenty of ways to deal with her return rather than having her marry someone else and risk fans (and David) NEVER being able to forgive her for it. It was a bad play... they should just admit it and offer to apologize with a movie! :dance:

"...apologize with a movie!" Good one.:lol:

... apologize with a movie! :dance:

Not so sure about that. At least not a Moonlighting movie. But I'd love to see Cybill and Bruce work together again in something else

Is the song "Tracks of my tears" in this episode? Or anywhere in ML? I can´t seem to find it, I only have it on CD. Confused..

Nope, I can't remember the song ever being played in this episode...

Mul

What I like about Tracks Of My Tears:
-The fake David: "Does a bear have fur? Does water turn to ice when you freeze it?" And "Because of you, I´m a changed man. -Yeah, I know..."
-The story at dinner on the train "My mother was dead at the time, and my father was missing... That´s okay, we found him later." ;D
-The reunion.. The looks they give eachother. I`m usually not fond of Bert but I love his speech!
-The hugs. ;)

And my dislike:
-"David, I´m married." She would never do that, I´ve never been more surprised in my life. I didn´t believe her either at first. Not after the way she talked about "her husband David" on the train. I like to turn the tv off before this point, after this it gets ugly..

I apologize if I got something wrong, I´m just writing from my somewhat lacking memory.. :)

I totally agree jkalen with everything you said - I think the reunion "gaze" is amazing, I can feel the electricity sparking off them again. :eek: :dance: Chemistry lost after I Am Curious...? NO WAY!!!
But the way Maddie announces to David she is married just takes away all that in a very clinical way. Me not like that bit :(

The chemistry is still there today, they just can´t loose it! ;)

What I like about Tracks Of My Tears:

-The story at dinner on the train "My mother was dead at the time, and my father was missing... That´s okay, we found him later." ;D
:)


OMG, that line is great. I can hear it in my head right now and I'm laughing. Too funny!:lol:

For me personally what makes this episode worth it`s weight in gold, is the reunion scene ( before Maddie announces that she has got married ) I can watch the part where David and Maddie make eye contact from across the office a thousand times and it still gives me goose pimples.And not forgeting when David asks to touch Maddie`s swollen pregnant belly and the way she looks at him while he is doing it is just magical:)
Oh Oh Oh , i also nearly forgot that great GREAT kiss between them during Maddies dream: HOT!!
Don`t you just love it when Bruce uses his tongue!;) :D

As far as how strange and non sensical this story line became, so untrue to Maddie Hayes as a character, I have one answer. I feel like Glen was punishing Cybill. I honestly believe, based on what I've read, that there really was a "boys club" atmosphere on that set. Cybill was a real threat to these "boys" because she was so stunningly beautiful and because she was smart and strong and stuck up for herself and her character. I think that Glen was "in love" with Cybill's persona pre Moonlighting and that when he pushed her and she pushed back just as hard if not harder, that he resorted to schoolboy bully tactics and bullied her in the way that he could; by manipulating her character. What do you all think?

I agree.

I think that the way Glenn felt about Cybill was shown in the direction of the show.

It sometimes became a "how mad can we get her" and "how much can we promote Bruce" kind of show.

Cybill = bad girl
Bruce = good boy

Glenn, on the DVD commentaries, came across as still very bitter towards Cybill, and it had only been 16 years since the show ended when that reunion occurred!!

I also find it very interesting that NO ONE seems to listen to both Bruce AND Cybill when they REPEATEDLY say that they did not fight all of the time.

Exactly!

I also think that Glen lived vicariously through Bruce during the whole series. And, in turn, had a bit of jealousy when it came to Bruce and Cybill's unique relationship. Yes, there was tension, but I've also read that Bruce and Cybill were very close, and OBVIOUSLY were very sexually attracted to one another. When this was a threat to Glen, I think he tried to get Bruce on his side with all of his antics. And when you think of it at the time, Bruce was probably more willing to go along with Glen and get a "big head" because this was all before or at the very beginning of his fame. Yet, after all was said and done, there was still that connection with Cybill.

What I found interesting on the season 3 commentary with Glen, Bruce, and Cybill, is that it seemed like all of what I said could easily been seen with the body language and comments. Bruce was physically in the middle of Cybill and Glen. Glen was bitter and mean with Cybill, still trying to get digs in; Bruce and Cybill were still magical. Most notably at the end, when Bruce and Cybill hug and have some intimate exchange. There in the right frame of the screen is Glen, just looking on, being an observer. Hmmmm, interesting.......

Great observation ovrthmn!

I think you have hit the proverbial nail on the head!
On a number of occasions it has been noted that Glenn did mould the David Addison character in his own image or rather what he would have liked to have been.
And if you have read the Moonlighting Magic book im sure Peter Werner mentions that he thinks Glenn always had in his mind his personal image of his`blonde shiska goddess` aka Cybill . So when he was writing the female lead it was only natural that Cybill would pop into his subconcious.My point being that Glenn had this pre-conceived image of how Cybill/Maddie would and should behave and when Cybill took the lead and gave Maddie a real personality maybe based on her own ideas of how the character should have developed it differed quite a bit from his own ideas.
Anyway to cut a long story short there probably was a bit of jealousy and maybe he resented Bruce and Cybills closeness and sexual chemistry and didn`t bargain on his two leads having the hots for one another off-screen as well as on ,so maybe Glenn felt like he was an an observer.
So did he unwittingly drive a wedge between the two of them? Maybe we`ll never know! I just don`t understand how Glenn could go from being transfixed by her to not being able to be in the same room as her.And i don`t think it was entirely down to Cybills strong personality or getting pregnant when the ratings for the show where at a high. Go figure?

Anymore opinions...

BTW I think Glenn is a genius for bringing his vision to life so i hope no one takes any of this as Glenn bashing.

I found the article that i`m referring to.

` ''Moonlighting'' is Caron's dream come true, according to one of the show's directors, Peter Werner. As he puts it: ''I think this Long Island Jewish boy always had a fantasy blond shiksa'' - Gentile -''goddess. He also had an image of himself as being a fast-talking, wisecracking, down-in-the-street hustler. What he created was something out of the deep fantasy of his dreams. It's so much a part of his soul and he loves it so much that it works.''

Awesome theory! It sounds so true! The Season 3 commentaries bothered me the exact same way.

I agree with you. The Memories of Moonlighting thing made me feel uncomfortable for Cybill, she seemed to be physically trying to sit as far away from Glen as possible. It has been a long time guys, get over it!

I also agree that Glen is a genius, and Bruce and Cybill fine actors. Maybe all these artistic personalties were just too "big" to work together in harmony.

I also find it very interesting that NO ONE seems to listen to both Bruce AND Cybill when they REPEATEDLY say that they did not fight all of the time.

Soo true, Kis. It's become an urban myth that the show was miserable from the start and they constantly fought. No one listens to what Cybill and Bruce say about how much fun they had and what a great show it was to work on. You only have to watch the show to see it, let alone see the bloopers which are so much fun.

Cybill has said often how the arguments she and Bruce had were almost always just before they did an argument scene on set.

Mul

PS Much like the rest of you, I have great rspect to Glenn for what he created. However, it would have been wonderful for Bruce and Cybill to have done an interview with just the two of them together.... Glenn did nearly all the talking in the interview and commentary on the DVD, and whenever Bruce and Cybill started to get chatty, it suddenly got cut off when Glenn started talking again. A bit annoying!

You only have to watch the show to see it, let alone see the bloopers which are so much fun.

PS Much like the rest of you, I have great rspect to Glenn for what he created. However, it would have been wonderful for Bruce and Cybill to have done an interview with just the two of them together....

I agree with you Mul, I always thought the bloopers show how much they had fun on the set, during the bad time too (4 -5 season), when something was no more like former season.

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