"i'm just.....acting happy. aren't you happy?"

after doing the big "it", our heroes wake up and argue about how to keep last night a secret. maddie says it was a mistake. just then, a woman comes to hire the to prove her boyfriend really loves her.
her fathers fakes his death to frame the boyfriend. they both admit to murder to protect the other. the father realizes the man did love his daughter after all.
dave and maddie continue to work things out. even in the car on a hill. and they beign to get heated and the car rolls down the hill backward. they are just too preoccupied to notice...

rating: 6

don't cha just love how so many times the clients problems reflect dave and maddies at the moment?

As I've said before, I've never understood why Maddie wants to forget anything ever happened between her and David. It's probably typical Maddie to panic about being 'spontuneous' tho!!

It's great to watch Maddie struggle between heart and head in this episode, tho it doesn't seem to take much to get her to succumb again "there's just a part of me that can't help wanting to find that spot on your neck..." ;)

One of the best eps ever in my opinion!!!! David is just adorable in this episode....sigh...:D


Mul

Yes! One of the BEST!

Finally a chance to see the normally "stiff and tense" Maddie being in heat.

The car scene is a killer, that guy knows how to talk a woman in the bed!

She can't resist, she just CAN'T!!!

Terrific.:crazy:

I absolutely loved this episode. I would give it a 10.

The car scenes were so wonderful - and that last scene - love it, love it, love it. They just couldn't stay away from each other.

I loved the way the plot kind of followed their own story.

I can watch this episode repeatedly (and I do:lol: ).


Like Taz says, "Why does this keep happening?" "...because it's terrific, that's why!"

I gotta agree!! This one was hot, hot, hot!! Definitely one of the best episodes. A 10+ in my book!

Yes, I agree Taz it was impressive how David could talk Maddie into bed like that ;) It took them 2 years to get to that point start with, but it obviously became addictive after that!! Proves, as you say that whilst Maddie could be one of those "Essed words", she could melt just as easily!!

Mul

:D

I never saw this episode because I was on vacation when it aired:( (I'm now downloading it LOL:D )

Oh it will definitely be worth it Dutchie! It's a great episode, funny, touching at times, as well as sexy...

Mul
:D

Oh wow! Now this is my alltime favorite episode of Moonlighting. I could write a book to tell you all the cool things about this one.

Some of my fav. elements:

1) The title and its relationship to the famous quote by Alexander Pope (To err is human, to forgive divine) as well as a cinematic reference to the film The Heiress with Olivia deHaviland who is a woman that has a similar quandry as the client.

2) How Agnes reacts to each M & D the morning after when they come into work. How ironic that Maddie enters as subdued, quiet as ever...and Agnes spots it in a minute and is all over here saying Wow what happened...you look different...you look great. And then when David arrives a bit later broadcasting his glee and with his song selection announcing exactly what he is deligted about....Agnes, just looks at him and doesn't pick up on it then at all. Too funny!!!

3) David and Maddie are just so physical with each other in this episode.... I love how they can't keep their hands off each other...and this to me rings true when one is first starting up a physical relationship. All they want to do is you-know-what!!! That scene in the car when David seduces Maddie to me is such a revealing bit in that one can only imagine how hot hot hot these two are together.

4) I love the client and her fiance...they are really great people and there only problem is they are in love with someone outside of their own particular social strata.... and exageration in a way of the dichotomy between Maddie and David...or at least parallels Maddie's assessment of why they shouldn't be together.

5) I love the resolution of this one. Love does triumph...even in the case of David and Maddie. The first time I saw that ending scene with the car rolling backwards down the hill that was so funny and unexpected to me. Can you imagine their shock when they realized where they were and what was happening....once they got to the bottom of the hill and stopped.... I bet somebody coming to check out the problem got an eyeful!!

everybody is in character.
it is well written.
it is sexy.
it is about love.
simply moonlighting at its best.

Now I am really gonna be naughty here....you know what to me is just the sexiest part of this episode.... and there are plenty of great moments to pick from.... but here is the real pulse pounder ....

Sitting in the car as David is telling Maddie about all the various things he wants to be doing to her body with his mouth....notice how he starts at the back of her neck....and each time he adds something, he gets lower and lower and lower. Oh my! The mind reels at the possibilities!

just a little easter egg here- angel kiss means what you think it means-to some folks.

Originally posted by CindyK
Now I am really gonna be naughty here....you know what to me is just the sexiest part of this episode.... and there are plenty of great moments to pick from.... but here is the real pulse pounder ....

Sitting in the car as David is telling Maddie about all the various things he wants to be doing to her body with his mouth....notice how he starts at the back of her neck....and each time he adds something, he gets lower and lower and lower. Oh my! The mind reels at the possibilities!

Yeah!! This one is for your OWN fantasies!!

:blush: :blush: :eyes: :love:

Originally posted by pmarier
just a little easter egg here- angel kiss means what you think it means-to some folks.

I'm not trying to be out of the loop, but I don't know what you are referring to. Does "angel kiss" have a special meaning that I am not aware of?

The car scene was definitely one of the sexiest scenes in Moonlighting. Yikes -- between baby kisses, angel kisses, the looks both of them gave each other, and "that spot on your neck", WOW!

We will always remember "the spot on her neck just below her hairline".................*CY*

If I get a chance I will ask her in London if she has this spot for real!! LOL!!:D

Originally posted by Tazmania
We will always remember "the spot on her neck just below her hairline".................*CY*

If I get a chance I will ask her in London if she has this spot for real!! LOL!!:D

Ask her. Ask her.

But I have a feeling it's true. Please remember In 'n Outlaws. I think her neck is very sensual.:happyface

It's a pretty long one!.....Or is that a long pretty one?

I promise I will ask her if .... I get the chance.

I'll put it back.

Ooooh Taz, it was the way the TONGUE touched the area just below her hairline.

:D :D

Originally posted by kismet
Ooooh Taz, it was the way the TONGUE touched the area just below her hairline.:D

Quit while you're ahead......

Precisely!


huh huh huh. She said head.

Now I am being really bad!

Head? That's bad!

Why did you edit your post Kis??

It was funny and Very SSSSSexy!

You know what's even badder?

Where did the tongue go after the Angel Kisses?

OkOK OK I 'll stop too!

Or we can make it a new Round Robin!? LOL :D

I thought you meant that I went too far, that I crossed the line.

Originally posted by kismet
I thought you meant that I went too far, that I crossed the line.

Get outta here ofcourse NOT!
We Dutch girls can handle everything, we don't do sensorship in Holland!

I'll put it back.

In the meantime, what are angel kisses?

I'm a mom of 4 and I don't know what angel kisses are!

I think it has something to do with using the tongue maybe??

Dunno, how you Americans interpret this.

Gotta go to bed now......... hope I'll get some sleep........;)

Originally posted by Tazmania

We Dutch girls can handle everything, we don't do sensorship in Holland!

SO TRUE!:D It's great to be Dutch. Oh, and we are often named in movies:D

Originally posted by kismet
I'll put it back.

Ooooh Taz, it was the way the TONGUE touched the area just below her hairline.

:D :D

D: Oooh Maddie I like that!
M: Oooohhhh! Bruuuuuce!!

:D :D :D :D :D :D

Did anyone ever answer kismet and her question about angel kisses? In context of the conversation in the car between David and Maddie, it appears the definition of angel kisses being used here would be soft, sweet, gentle kisses...sorta like nibbles, I guess. The other more "earthier" use of angel kisses that I have heard of would certainly not apply to someone's belly....soooooo......let's just go with the gentle, nibbly kisses here, ok?

Originally posted by CindyK
Did anyone ever answer kismet and her question about angel kisses? In context of the conversation in the car between David and Maddie, it appears the definition of angel kisses being used here would be soft, sweet, gentle kisses...sorta like nibbles, I guess. The other more "earthier" use of angel kisses that I have heard of would certainly not apply to someone's belly....soooooo......let's just go with the gentle, nibbly kisses here, ok?

LMAO!!!:lol:

Yeah, let's stick to nibbling!

Originally posted by CindyK
Did anyone ever answer kismet and her question about angel kisses? In context of the conversation in the car between David and Maddie, it appears the definition of angel kisses being used here would be soft, sweet, gentle kisses...sorta like nibbles, I guess. The other more "earthier" use of angel kisses that I have heard of would certainly not apply to someone's belly....soooooo......let's just go with the gentle, nibbly kisses here, ok?



Soooooooooo, exactly where would they be applied?:D

The mind reels...

Now kismet... Specifically these particular ones being discussed David says are on Maddie's belly....but he doesn't continue that discussion to tell us more because they both attack each other at about that point.

yikes!
i had no idea what i started!
i've been out of town on business for a couple of days, and by the way, ate a business lunch at the marie calendar restaurant in los angeles where one of the fourth season episodes was filmed.
anyway, to show how dull i am, for me 'angel kiss' is about intense bonding love. my mom used to give me 'angel kisses' by kissing the tips of each of my eyelashes, one by one. for me that was the easter egg. as i said in a previous post, for me this episode is sexy, but it's also about love. but this is probably just my mothers influence.

My opinion:

If he found that spot on her neck beneath her hairline, then he also found "some other spot" beneath some other hairline......
hahahahah!!

LMAO!!!! :lol:

ahum... sorry, just letting myself go here............ :D

:eek: ;) :D

I know.......... that was really naughty.....
:D

Yeah but very funny Taz!!

:lol:


Mul

Just remembered my favourite phrase that David uses in this epi, it goes something like this:-

"I've got a teensy tinsy question mark knawing at the base of my noggin, these past few days have been quite a clam bake and I didn't...really...come dressed for the party"

:D

Mul

"Oh, you mean if it's safe?"
"Absolutely"

NOT!
ZZZING!! PREGNANT!!



:D

Ok let's reopen this discussion a bit. Why on earth do you think she would tell him it was safe, absolutely safe....when obviously it wasn't....surely she would know, right?

Of course, I know a couple of possible theories....but let's see what everyone else says.

Well maybe she misunderstood him, if you say safe it could mean safe as in pregnancy or safe as in a disease.
Maybe she meant the last one, and maybe David did too!

I didn't see this episode so now you've made me wondering Cindy
:D

Methinks Maddie knew what "safe" meant.

Did she know that Sam wasn't really the guy for her, and made a decision to "just go for it", knowing full well what the consequences might be? A woman in her 30's would know when ovulation might happen, wouldn't she? You might have a week or so to play with fire.:cool:

Originally posted by Tazmania
"Oh, you mean if it's safe?"
"Absolutely"

NOT!
ZZZING!! PREGNANT!!



:D

Do you think she was pregnant in that picture?:lol:

No I think she just ate too much!!

LOL!!:lol:

During this epi, Maddie was definite that it was "safe", saying she is a grown woman who takes responsibility for what she does with her body. Whether whatever she was doing to make it safe actually worked or not is another matter.....mistakes do happen!

Part of me wishes that ML had ended with this episode, before all the complicated pregnancy, marriage and separation stories of Season 4. And way before the bitter and irritable epi's of Season 5. :mad:

Having them getting together like this and Maddie finding David impossible to resist despite her best efforts, then ending with a really sweet moment where she seems to accept things and have real feelings for him, would've been great as an ending.

This is despite there being several epi's in seasons 4 and 5 with great storylines....

Mul
:crazy:

Ok here are my thoughts...

I think we can surmise that either Maddie was using something for birth control and it failed..... or she wasn't using anything and therefore not exactly telling the truth.

So if it is the first option, that she was using something that failed, my best guess is that the method of choice back then was The Pill.... and frankly, it would be really unusual for the Pill to fail. Unless she just forgot to take it for a few days....but I would think she would know whether she had taken it or not and if she had not taken it, she would have been misrepresenting the fact it was safe. So if we accept failure of method to be at fault, then it is a reasonable possibility that Maddie was at fault in not taking the Pill when she should have and she didn't tell David this fact....which bothers me.


And the other option is that she wasn't using birth control and she misrepresented that she was. I kinda think this seems in character to me because Maddie has always been evasive with David about personal matters....not wanting to admit her dating habits or how lonely she is. I don't think Maddie has been seeing any man regularly for quite some time and more than likely has had no need for birth control the past two years.....She is not the type to have had casual sex with someone she doesn't know very well....and in the past two years or so...she has only been around David and since they were not sleeping together up to that point, I can't see how or why she would have been taking birth control pills all along. But as she never wants to admit certain things to David, she would have not wanted him to know that she has been celibate for quite a while....and therefore, told him she was a modern woman--leading him to believe she was on the pill.

I personally also think that Sam Crawford would never have been the type to take a chance or have spontaneous, unthought out sex...and he would have used a condom.

David and Maddie just sorta happened (erupted) that night, and nary a condom was in sight. After the fact, maybe Maddie feels like she would be at fault for not being prepared, and so she tells a tiny little fib to cover. I think maybe she thought that would be the end of it...nothing further to worry about....but then it keeps happening again and again...and maybe this is part of the reason she acts the way she does about it continuing. She knows what a gamble is being played and wants to avoid it.

But then I don't know any of this....just guessing about the characters based on what I do know about them.

WOW!

You know what's funny. I don't think people ever talk about the characters of a show like we are doing here:D I could be wrong about that tho:confused:

Sure they do dutchie...and then some. I know X-Files boards I used to visit went into all types of minutae concerning the characters....and I bet many many of the forums over here do to. Fans feel like they know the characters very very well...and so they are able to discuss all types of topics about them...speculating on their actions, motivations, feelings, etc.

I bet all the popular shows have similarly obessed fans!

Originally posted by CindyK
Sure they do dutchie...and then some. I know X-Files boards I used to visit went into all types of minutae concerning the characters....and I bet many many of the forums over here do to. Fans feel like they know the characters very very well...and so they are able to discuss all types of topics about them...speculating on their actions, motivations, feelings, etc.

I bet all the popular shows have similarly obessed fans!

Mmm, so true, Cindy. Before this particular board was established here, I used to post over at the Cheers board...and lemme tell ya...those are some pretty passionate fans.

Also, from the stories I've heard about the Facts of Life craze that went on here at SO a few years back, I could tell you that those fans are (or were) pretty dang obsessed. :nod:

*sigh of relief* Ah, it's good to be back. ;)

again, an episode that is so much like real life, i felt like i was drinking a cold drink on a hot summer day.

i love the way maddie had 2nd and 3rd thoughts.

i love the way she still couldn't resist david.

i love the way david looks and acts so confident. he has a different feel about him. he's come home. wonderful.

i absolutely love the last scene in the car when david agrees with maddie about stopping her romance. and then he carefully asks her for romance. this is so david. agreeing with maddie and then waiting for her to agree with him. he's done this from the start.

and the very best is when maddie without being in a state of passion, said yes threw her kiss. she had come home to david.

I just love, love, love this episode. I watch it repeatedly.

Me too Kismet! Love this one!

Having now watched most of season 2 and 3 actually in order for the first time, I find it difficult to understand Maddies mood on the "morning after". Even when she was still with Sam, she constantly tried to push David to tell her how he felt about her, even when he was silent and said nothing. She shared that wonderfully sweet kiss with him that night she snuck out of bed. She really seemed to suffer when he wouldn't tell her how he felt. She had made her decision about Sam anyway, even tho she was too late to let him know.

So, when David has told her he loved her, and showed her how much he loves her, she then feels unhappy. More than unhappy. By the time we get to the 'Trip to the Moon' in the next season, she seems bored and annoyed by him, saying it was all about se x and nothing else, as if they had never shared any sweet, affectionate moments or dates (which they had throughout the 2nd and 3rd seasons). This confuses me the more I've seen it.

Mebbe it's just me! Essay over!

Mul

This is how it should have been forever and ever..............

I think Maddie's frame of mind has more to do with that she thinks this relationship is reckless and feels too spontaneous to her...not carefully thought out and controlled like Maddie wants things to be. She feels out of control in this relationship because it is so passionate and so all-consuming. And besides it is her and David's game to play adversaries. Each jockeying for control. If she goes along with him fully in the bedroom and in the emotional stakes....she feels somehow that she is allowing him all the control.

So that is why she questions what she is doing. I think that she feels like she just got swept away by the passion and thinks she needs to reign herself back in and push David back a bit. And this is her mind talking, not her heart or her body. So this conflict inside her drives her to act the way she does. And that makes her a complex character which makes her much more compelling to watch.

It is exciting to us because we are enjoying the passion...and we love these two volitile characters. But I think one of the reasons we are excited by them is because of this raging emotional battle.

OH WOW!

I just saw this episode for the first time.

I LOVED IT!!:loveya:

I did find Maddie a bit annoying in this episode though. Now she has what she wanted and now she starts complaining a bit. I love the first scene the scene in the middle and the scene at the end:D That was so funny:D but it's also sad because I already saw the episode after this one...

Well, anyways, I can't thank Taz enough for the episodes :D

Thank you!

greets Steph

Hurrah!! So glad you've now seen this episode, it's one of my favourites. I agree with Cindy's point about the fact that Maddie felt she had given too much of herself and had to rein things in again. It felt too out of control for her.

It's like Maddie says "I don't just give myself to people"... "and when I do, IF I do, it isn't like this, all wild and frenzied?!" :lol:

Her passion for David seems out of control to her and can't deal with being this much out of control. David is so happy the morning after and can't understand why she's not happy, especially "after two years of is you is or is you aint" .

It makes for really frustrating viewing tho, I agree Steph!


Mul
:wave:

I'm dying to see this episode! Can anyone tell me where I can download it? I have Limewire but nothing comes up. Thanks :)

Try Emule Amy! :wave:

Thank you so much Tazmania! I'm off to download :cool:

Ur welcome! ;)

hum... I think -but i'm not really sure :D - i like more this episode than "I'm curious, Maddie", 'cause that one was about just passion, and this one is about both passion and its consequences, a bunch of complicated situations to handle. And i think the way Maddie handles them is the most immature one even though she thinks quite the contrary! >_<!

It's like Maddie says "I don't just give myself to people"... "and when I do, IF I do, it isn't like this, all wild and frenzied?!" Her passion for David seems out of control to her and can't deal with being this much out of control. David is so happy the morning after and can't understand why she's not happy

I totally agree with this (and with some of you other guys who say similar things along these lines too). i think she was also afraid of losing the chemistry -- that whole "move us to sunday night" routine was classic.

I think this was totally in tune for Maddie -- and even though it was a convention of reality (b/c of Cyb being ordered to rest) i even could believe Maddie running away. The Walter Bishop thing though, Not. So. Much.

But then, even Walter folds into this in a way as part of Maddies bigger issue: wanting to keep David in reckless pursuit and to (i think) rekindle the excitement of the "two years of is you is or is you aint." more than control or fear, i think this was her twisted way of flirting with him--to push him away and make him start all over again. Had GCC stayed on, i think they would have done just that and bantered right back into bed by the end. But with his departure there was no more of that playfulness, and it all just seemed harsh when they would spar with each other -- right up to the ultimate nasty mind game they play on each other in the whole annie thing. I mean, i get that he was wanting to reassert his dominance and all that and show her he'd had enough of their mutual silliness, but dude. seriously. when you actually put in its appropriate timeline context (i.e. just under or about a year from heiress) it just is a complete turn around.

Especially considering all those season 5 "dates" (i.e. color of maddie) and gifts (hello pearls???) I mean, WTF?

ok. i've ranted enough.

Hi Caitybelle,

Well put!! I can't even think about those last few episodes w/out cringing. Okay, there were 12? episodes in Season 5. The first of which was Womb, then, like you said, they had all those "dates." The way it ended, considering how usually playful, yet sometimes hurtful their arguments could be, you always felt love from those two. What was the point of Annie? I couldn't even see that movie "Sideways" because Virginai Madsen was in it. What would have been the big deal to have those two end up together in the end. They could have even kept the baby. I mean, I know they (the writers) probably felt the show wouldn't be the same with M & d as parents, but hello, it had already changed and progressed from where it was in the first two seasons. Look at Friends. Ross and Rachel, Monica and Chandler...some of their best episodes (I think) came after they got together. That's life, right? People grow and change. If they had the baby, there would have been only 11 episodes with that storyline, and it probably would have been better than what they gave us. I will say, I did, however like some season 5 eps...I liked Womb, despite the sad ending, Color of Maddie was okay, Take My Wife, etc. But Annie? I really hated that storyline...good thing she left. But, I do wish in Lunar Eclipse, that David would have said something to Maddie after her sweet comment to him. Instead he just turns to her and they go to clips...ugh.

Okay, now I'm done. I hope my ranting made sense. Oh, and I apologize for my run-on sentences.

~Kara

Kara --
I totally agree! And you know, it's always seemed like just plain lazy writing for show creators/writers who blame not putting leads together on the "Moonlighting effect." Scuse moi, but Moon jumped the shark when they DIDN'T put them together. And like you say, there are plenty of instances where it works. I think its just harder for them to come up with stuff for some reason b/c they think happiness is boring. As Scully would say, "Sure. Fine. Whatever."

On similar lines, I almost fell off the couch when I saw them put Harm and Mac together at the end of Jag. Given their repeated jerking around of the audience, I'd given up hope to the point of actually stopping my viewing and waiting until the series ended to see if checking out reruns would be worth it. I just hate being disappointed.

We just have to all gang up and start our own new show. I am convinced. And give bonuses to writers who figure out how best to pander to the audience.
Problem solved! :)

--Lisa

Hey Lisa,

that is so funny that you stopped watching Jag until the end, so did I :) All I kept saying was, "oh, they won't get together. Look at Maddie and David. I hate series finales because thy're always terrible." What a suprise it was to see them together! I was relieved. I mean, I know it's only a show, but I love happy endings. There's enough sadness in the real world, so I love escapism, ya know?

BTW, starting our own show sounds good to me :) Oh, one more thing, if Moonlighting was ever remade, who do you think would make a good Maddie and David? It would probably be terrible because they'd have so much to live up to. Impossible task I think.

~Kara

In my opinion, there are NO actors/actresses that could EVER live up to the accomplishments of Cybill and Bruce.

If a movie was made, it would have to have Cy and BW in it or why bother?

Those two were made for each other -- you could see it right from the Pilot.

so true :)

I have to agree that nobody else could ever play the parts of Maddie and David. They ARE Cybill and Bruce. Or Cybill and Bruce are them. That chemistry is why we are all so addicted and nobody else can compare. I would cry if they ever decided to do a movie without Cybill and Bruce!

Hey Lisa,

that is so funny that you stopped watching Jag until the end, so did I :) All I kept saying was, "oh, they won't get together. Look at Maddie and David. I hate series finales because thy're always terrible." What a suprise it was to see them together! I was relieved. I mean, I know it's only a show, but I love happy endings. There's enough sadness in the real world, so I love escapism, ya know?

BTW, starting our own show sounds good to me :) Oh, one more thing, if Moonlighting was ever remade, who do you think would make a good Maddie and David? It would probably be terrible because they'd have so much to live up to. Impossible task I think.

~Kara

Kara -- I totally missed this to reply. dur! :rolleyes:

Yeah, you know, Bellasario -- totally expected him to screw up the ending, what with Scott Bakula never making it home, and Magnum driving off a cliff in an ending (though I think there were 2 endings -- one where he didn't) and Bellasario's constant "well its my show and I'll do what I wanna routine." I basically threw it out when they put Mac with Webb -- LIKE WHERE IN HECK DID THAT COME FROM??? -- and Bellasario was like< "well, we were in contract negotiations with David James Elliot so didn't know if he was coming back and wanted a future for Mac." <!!!!!!!!> What? are you kidding? that is the lamest excuse ever. Plus, it reeked of the whole Cybill/GCC feud, where I'm convinced Walter Bishop and a whole host of other "why is Maddie being so cruel to him" issues matriculated from. So I threw out Jag until I was sure it was safe again. Just couldn't take the disappointment. Again. :mad:

But hey, turned out ok -- suprise suprise!!!

As for Moon movie -- I so can't think of anyone. At all. Cyb and Bruce are just too good. And, it's hard since it's such a chemistry experiment and you never can predict which actors could pull it off. Unfortuately, i know it will get made by someone someday, and it's probably gonna be a tanker. to all of us, i mean. We'll all hate it b/c it could never quite be the same. The kiddies, of course, will think Paris Hilton and Johnny Knoxville were just brilliant....

AAAAGH! I've just disgusted myself with that imagry and must wash it away with some coffee. Didn't mean to scar anyone. :o

Hey Lisa,

Quantum Leap got to you too, huh? That was such a stupid ending, but hey, at least Al got back with Beth. Seriously, the only finale I think I enjoyed was Friends and wasn't even their best work. But, it was great to see Ross and Rachel finally admitting they belong together. BTW, that scenario of Paris Hilton and Johnny Knoxville has me hysterical!! LOL. That would be AWFUL!!!! You're so right, the kids would eat it up. Maybe throw in Jessica Simpson as Agnes. Whatta ya think? Let's hope, that say 20 years from now, if they ever do make a Moonlighting movie, they would take care when it comes to casting Maddie and David. But like you said, we would hate it anyway, no one can ever match what Bruce and Cybill had together...or still have together. Ahh, if only those two would do a commentary TOGETHER for season 3, then we could see. I'm sure it's still there :)

~Kara

I agree with you here, Caitybelle! I even forgave the Walter Bishop storyline as I could sorta see what they were doing... I started to enjoy ML again in early season 5, with the gifts, the kissing on the desk and the playing pool and the feeling that they were working towards something. Then suddenly the Annie storyline and David just seems mean for no reason, as if he's had a personality transplant and Maddie suddenly doesn't seem to care too much saying that she's over him now. Well the whole point is that we didn't ever want Maddie and David to be over!! Part of me wishes that it had ended at the end of Season 3, with them in the car, crashing into the hens!

Mul

but, david had a reason to be mean. he was hurt, and hurt badly. not that i agree with the reasoning there, but i have seen many times that one person in a relationship grows bitter and retaliates when the couple breaks. this was just art portraying real life issues in this situation. right or wrong, it happens. and the writers brought that to life here.

Of course, David had every right to be bitter and hurt, but to me, the writing isn't consistent. One minute he's fine, the next he's just a little stroppy, the next he's really hurt. I think it's a writing problem with season 5 rather than a realism problem.

Mul

I'm a-board again! <--- what a nonsense! :lol:

Now that i've finished watching the whole series :( I think I agree with both of you Mul & bry, 'cause i find it normal that David can be upset with the way their relationship is shaping up -sometimes he looks like an annoyed kid-, but i also think everything takes place so suddenly. I think it depends a lot on how much you desire the story for going well or not :D

Besos!

you think maybe he was putting up a front at sometimes, but himself at other times?

He seemed exhausted to me during some of season 5. He probably had lots to do with wrapping up Die Hard, plus he had an infant daughter. He looked heavier as well. Cybill also seemed exhausted.

His character came across as callous and uncaring during some of the scenes.

They both appeared to be going through the motions instead of caring about their characters or each other like they did during the first 3 seasons.

It didn't help that their characters were just pals, as well.:mad:

He probably had lots to do with wrapping up Die Hard, plus he had an infant daughter.

Wow kismet you'd be a great calendar! hehe :p

In my opinion last season was the season of the apathy, it seems like all the characters -but Burt :lol:- knew how the story was going to end...

In the original DVD of the pilot that came out several years ago, Bruce says in the commentary he did with Glenn Caron that by the fifth season he and Cybill were so mentally and physically exhausted that it was an effort to say the lines. So I think you nailed it, Kismet!

Thank you so much for the information CyBr!!!

For those who haven't any ML DVDs -like me- these commentaries are very much interesting! :happyface

I have the DVD of the pilot that came out a while ago and still haven't gotten round to listening to the commentary yet! I really must. Thanks for the info CyBr.

Love Gem

I think you've got it Kismet. It really looks like an effort by then...

Gem, where did you get the Pilot DVD from? I want to get a copy and Amazon don't seem to have any new ones left...

Mul

Hi everyone,

I agree, it did look like an effort for them by season 5. Ya know what I noticed though? It seemed like Maddie was acting more like David at times. I don't mean by her words, but with her actions. I watched Perfetc the other day and she still seemed interested. I could be way off, but please tell me what you think. The scene in the car when David tells her why it didn't work. Check out her facial expression and the tone of her voice when she says, "Yes, I guess we did." (talk it to death) Then, in David's office, she sits on the couch while he's resting. And, also in David's office, she sits on the corner of his desk to talk to him (David used to do that). I don't know, it just seems to me, that for her, it wasn't over. I'm probably just "grasping at straws." What do you think?

Kara

Yep Kara I agree with you - Maddie still seems to have hope in Season 5, whereas after a certain time, David just doesn't seem bothered. Maddie makes all the moves - I've just remembered that she initiated the almost kiss in Plastic Fantastic Lovers (David is the one who seems to pull away from her), and she kisses him in Take my wife for Example.

Hmm interesting! :lol:

Mul

I agree with you Kara. She's much more interested than he is in season 5. It really is although they have swapped roles. There's that scene in Take My Wife where she's trying to find out if he's seeing anyone and he's being really evasive.

Mul - I got my copy from www.play.com. It was really cheap, a fiver or something. And it arrives in three days.

Love Gem

Buy that Moonlighting pilot DVD if you can. I tried earlier this year to buy a second copy and I was unable to find it anywhere.

I just checked that link and it doesn't seem to be the same ML pilot that I have. My copy has a purple and black cover and does not include any other episodes. Did yours have commentary with it?

Mine has a purple cover too. It does have commentary with Bruce and Glenn.

The one I have is red - it's different to yours because it's a different release, I think. Mine is region 2, and I believe it was only released as region 2. It also has the epsidode The Lady in the Iron Mask and A Womb With a View on it. Odd choices, I thought. Does yours have those episodes too or does it just have the pilot?

Ok, so I just found my copy and put it in and realised that there isn't actually a commentary on it anyway!! I don't know why I always thought it had - I must have heard you guys talking about your copies and assumed ours was the same. Sorry Mul - don't go out and get it if you wanted it for the commentary!

Love Gem

I wonder if the original DVD of the pilot was pulled off the shelves when Seasons 1 & 2 came out. The older one was not released by Lions Gate. It didn't include any other episodes but it had Bruce's screen test, a screen test of another actor trying out as David, and commentary from Bruce and Glenn.

Did you guys try e-bay?

Love Gem

Darn looks like I've missed the boat with this one... I can't find it anywhere! When it first came out I didn't have a region free DVD player. I agree, they've probably pulled it since the Season 1/2 DVDs came out. Not fair, I wanted to see Bruce's screen test and hear the commentary!

eBay sounds like a good place to look, thanks Gem. I've also put a request in at Amazon to let me know if any second-hand copies surface.

Mul

I just looked at Amazon.com and it looks to me like there are copies available. Search "Moonlighting Pilot" and you'll see them. I'm assuming it should work with a region free DVD player. Good luck! :)

I agree with you Kara. She's much more interested than he is in season 5. It really is although they have swapped roles. There's that scene in Take My Wife where she's trying to find out if he's seeing anyone and he's being really evasive.

(posted by Mul) Yep Kara I agree with you - Maddie still seems to have hope in Season 5, whereas after a certain time, David just doesn't seem bothered. Maddie makes all the moves - I've just remembered that she initiated the almost kiss in Plastic Fantastic Lovers (David is the one who seems to pull away from her), and she kisses him in Take my wife for Example.

Hmm interesting!

Mul



Thanks guys. I also noticed some other instances in season 5 like that...

Between a Yuk and a Hard Place...when David grabs Maddie's hand, and says, "we have a meatloaf in the oven." She wants to finish listening and doesn't let go of his hand. Then, they sit back on the couch holding hands, and David seems suprised by this, but he's enjoying it. Ok, so that was an example of them both being interested, but I like that scene :)

That's true Kara. He isn't completly detatched, especially earlier on in the series. In The Colour Of Maddie and Shirts and Skins he asks her out for dinner. Also in Shirts and Skins she makes that comment at the end - he says that he wasn't thinking about the case when he turned the information over, he was thinking about her and what she thought of him and she replies by saying that's not true, that their relationship was nothing like the case because Mr Fast (or whatever his name was) came onto someone who didn't want him too. That was kind of sweet.

Oh and there's that car scene in I See England, when he says 'it wouldn't be a heaven without you'. that was sweet too, but to be honest, I didn't think it was very sincere!

Love Gem

OMG I have just watched this episode for the first time. Wow it was worth the wait ;)

OMG I have just watched this episode for the first time. Wow it was worth the wait ;)
Said you`d enjoy ,dont you just love the scene in the office the morning after when Maddies doing her 1 step forward 2 steps backward speach with David. My favourite line thats said in that scene is from David when he`s saying about the third time that they made love and Maddie says "what third time, i dont remember a third time" and David replies back with " come to think of it you were pretty quiet,i just figured you were trying not to disturb the neighbours";) Ha ha ha ha! i always laugh out loud when i hear that line:lol: Were they really that NOISY!(the mind reels)
What about that famous car scene heh! ,dont you just love the way that the two them pounce on one another after David done with telling Maddie what he wants to do to her . Also when Maddie looks over at David just before she grabs him, take a close look at where her eyes wander down to :D she looks down towards Davids lap. Now what could she be looking at thats in that general area!!!;) Heiress Human is an episode i can watch again and again (and i often do) and NEVER get tired of .

I enjoyed it a lot but it was also sad watching after I know how things end

I know ,but you have to try and block all that out and enjoy all those special moments in this episode as they do .Thats what i do , i try not to think about how it all ends too much. It`s too painfull!!BOO HOO!