I will say Thelma, she was sexy and had that sexy dance with that hip movement but didn't really bring any humor to the show.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
I will say Thelma, she was sexy and had that sexy dance with that hip movement but didn't really bring any humor to the show. JJ...What an annoying mother; and he was not funny either

Wow, I didn't know we were allowed to write words like that even if there's a * in between. But, if a moderator did it, it must be allowed.

I hate to say it, but my least favorite character was James. His authoritarian way of running the family was just too extreme (and he wasn't even a very good provider). Problematic situations seemed to escalate due to his overreactions and he just seemed to make the household nervous. I mean, it was sad about the character's death and all, but I honestly think the family appeared much calmer without him. When I watch the post-James episodes such as the one about Thelma wanting to marry her African boyfriend, Michael wanting to move in with a White female, or any other conflict, I can only think about how much worse James would have probably made each situation. The producers were in error to create a character like James in the first place. A strong African American male role model does not have to be a Fascist. JMO

Originally posted by GeeBee
I hate to say it, but my least favorite character was James. His authoritarian way of running the family was just too extreme (and he wasn't even a very good provider). Problematic situations seemed to escalate due to his overreactions and he just seemed to make the household nervous. I mean, it was sad about the character's death and all, but I honestly think the family appeared much calmer without him. When I watch the post-James episodes such as the one about Thelma wanting to marry her African boyfriend, Michael wanting to move in with a White female, or any other conflict, I can only think about how much worse James would have probably made each situation. The producers were in error to create a character like James in the first place. A strong African American male role model does not have to be a Fascist. JMO




When he was mad, it was for a reason.

Bully trying to lay up in his home

Getting laid off

Being told he was too old for a job

His Daughter engaged to a OLD MAN

His Daughter engaged to a guy he didn;t know

School promised his a job after graduation and there was none

His Wife refusing to do a commercial for $5000 because she didn't want to lie


I caN GO ON AND ON

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
When he was mad, it was for a reason.

Bully trying to lay up in his home

Getting laid off

Being told he was too old for a job

His Daughter engaged to a OLD MAN

His Daughter engaged to a guy he didn;t know

School promised his a job after graduation and there was none

His Wife refusing to do a commercial for $5000 because she didn't want to lie


I caN GO ON AND ON


It's not a question of whether he had a right to be angry, it's a question of how he handled his anger.

As for his wife not wanting to lie for $5,000, her instincts turned out to be right because the "medicine" could make a child drunk. Believe it or not, no amount of money is worth selling your soul for.

I'll go with Michael.

Well, so far, Florida is the only Evans who wasn't named as someone's least favorite.

Originally posted by GeeBee
I hate to say it, but my least favorite character was James. His authoritarian way of running the family was just too extreme (and he wasn't even a very good provider). Problematic situations seemed to escalate due to his overreactions and he just seemed to make the household nervous.

I'd say James is my least favorite too. His anger reminded me too much of my "father".

Originally posted by GeeBee
Wow, I didn't know we were allowed to write words like that even if there's a * in between. But, if a moderator did it, it must be allowed. Nobody is allowed to use that WORD that is why I edited out; apologize for cursing...It was un-called for:o

Originally posted by GeeBee
Well, so far, Florida is the only Evans who wasn't named as someone's least favorite.


I don't think anyone would say Florida since she was easy to like.

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'd say James is my least favorite too. His anger reminded me too much of my "father".


He reminded me of my father too but I still liked James.

I have to be honest. I liked them all, sometimes equally depending on the episodes. If I were to pick a least favorite it most likely would not be in the Evans family.

james for almost the same reasons gee bee said there was no reason for him to scream every ep.

Originally posted by snl fan
james for almost the same reasons gee bee said there was no reason for him to scream every ep.


James didn't scream in every ep. In season one he was very laid back up until that episode-THE CHECKUP-LOL

thats true but all the yelling and hollering he did in years 2 and 3 made up for it for the record i dont think the show was as good after john amos left

Originally posted by snl fan
thats true but all the yelling and hollering he did in years 2 and 3 made up for it for the record i dont think the show was as good after john amos left

Actually the season John Amos was killed off the show still did pretty well in the ratings. The show wasn;t good after Esther Rolle left and Norman Lear was able to see that and persuaded her to come back but by time she returned in 1978, it was too late. The show had lost too many viewers.

I guess my vote goes to Thelma as well. She just didn't provide any laughs for me.

If I had to choose one it would be Michael.

I thought he was really dry and boring.

i am absolutely cringing over the fact that people are picking James Evans. Do you not get how bad times were then? He had a ton of pressure trying to provide for his family. He ruled his family with tough love and discipline but was also very loving and admitted when he overreacted or took things too far. Do you remember a lot of the episodes (at least the first 2 seasons) ending with him and Florida embracing or kissing OR the family in one big bear hug formation? James was by far, the BEST character on the show. If you look at the state of AA families now, it's sad. Most children are growing up without a strong father figure in the home. And growing up in the ghetto/hood...wherever...you need that. You can't be a passive father giving out timeouts when you are bringing up children in the ghetto. That is old school parenting....you guys don't know anything about that. AAs and Caucasions bring their children up distinctly different...this show proves this point. JMO.

Dang, I got all worked up and off track. OK, least fav would have to be Michael. I think he stole the show quite a bit when he was a kid. Michael was used to promote all of the pro-black consciousness of the times and i loved that about him. But what happened to all of that when he got older? He no longer had any kind of character after he got a moustache. He was just there mocking JJ and playing Penny's sidekick. He didn't have any huge storylines anymore. I'm not sure what team he's playing for either and his feminine ways keep poking out, even when he's talking to chick on the CB. He should've went and joined the Black Panthers after Season 2. Woulda been fine with that. Hey, what season is the Satan Nights? 4?

All just my 2 cents.

Michael when he was being militant-especially when he was little.It bugged me a lot.

Originally posted by knl9674
i am absolutely cringing over the fact that people are picking James Evans. Do you not get how bad times were then? He had a ton of pressure trying to provide for his family. He ruled his family with tough love and discipline but was also very loving and admitted when he overreacted or took things too far. Do you remember a lot of the episodes (at least the first 2 seasons) ending with him and Florida embracing or kissing OR the family in one big bear hug formation? James was by far, the BEST character on the show. If you look at the state of AA families now, it's sad. Most children are growing up without a strong father figure in the home. And growing up in the ghetto/hood...wherever...you need that. You can't be a passive father giving out timeouts when you are bringing up children in the ghetto. That is old school parenting....you guys don't know anything about that. AAs and Caucasions bring their children up distinctly different...this show proves this point. JMO.

Dang, I got all worked up and off track. OK, least fav would have to be Michael. I think he stole the show quite a bit when he was a kid. Michael was used to promote all of the pro-black consciousness of the times and i loved that about him. But what happened to all of that when he got older? He no longer had any kind of character after he got a moustache. He was just there mocking JJ and playing Penny's sidekick. He didn't have any huge storylines anymore. I'm not sure what team he's playing for either and his feminine ways keep poking out, even when he's talking to chick on the CB. He should've went and joined the Black Panthers after Season 2. Woulda been fine with that. Hey, what season is the Satan Nights? 4?

All just my 2 cents.



I guess you would have to have a beef with the writers/producers. They were the ones that gave lines and took out lines. Not much you can do on stage or before a camera without lines to say.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by knl9674
i am absolutely cringing over the fact that people are picking James Evans. Do you not get how bad times were then? He had a ton of pressure trying to provide for his family. He ruled his family with tough love and discipline but was also very loving and admitted when he overreacted or took things too far. Do you remember a lot of the episodes (at least the first 2 seasons) ending with him and Florida embracing or kissing OR the family in one big bear hug formation? James was by far, the BEST character on the show. If you look at the state of AA families now, it's sad. Most children are growing up without a strong father figure in the home. And growing up in the ghetto/hood...wherever...you need that. You can't be a passive father giving out timeouts when you are bringing up children in the ghetto. That is old school parenting....you guys don't know anything about that. AAs and Caucasions bring their children up distinctly different...this show proves this point. JMO.




Yes, it is just your opinion and it's my opinion that James was the least desirable member of the Evans family. Since we're not likely to change one another's opinion, we may just have to learn to live with them. One can be a strong father figure without being as extreme as he was. There are generally three types of parenting styles: Authoritarian (ruling with an iron fist), Permissive (passive with little to no discipline), and Authoritative (which tries to strike a balance between discipline and love). Authoritative is considered to be the best by many because it does not go to either extreme.

I don't believe in playing the race card about issues like these either because it ultimately sounds like racial stereotypes. Furthermore, a TV show cannot "prove" anything; it's how the writer and producers choose to do it. If TV shows are the standard, then the Cosbys "proved" that a strong black male role model can be strict, but fair without being passive or abusive.

Originally posted by GeeBee
Yes, it is just your opinion and it's my opinion that James was the least desirable member of the Evans family. Since we're not likely to change one another's opinion, we may just have to learn to live with them. One can be a strong father figure without being as extreme as he was. There are generally three types of parenting styles: Authoritarian (ruling with an iron fist), Permissive (passive with little to no discipline), and Authoritative (which tries to strike a balance between discipline and love). Authoritative is considered to be the best by many because it does not go to either extreme.

I don't believe in playing the race card about issues like these either because it ultimately sounds like racial stereotypes. Furthermore, a TV show cannot "prove" anything; it's how the writer and producers choose to do it. If TV shows are the standard, then the Cosbys "proved" that a strong black male role model can be strict, but fair without being passive or abusive.




When was James ever ABUSIVE??????????????????????

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
When was James ever ABUSIVE??????????????????????


See other thread.

are you kidding me trying to compare the Cosby's with the Evans as far as parenting? what exactly are you smoking over there? Cosby kids could have a "talking to" b/c what kind of trouble were they getting into in the 1980s with 6 figure incomes? Oh, I forgot Theo got his ear pierced or Vanessa wore makeup to school. OH...the BIG one when Rudy stole $5 for a tshirt? Are you high yet?
Compared with James keeping his children from street pushers in the building, gang activity and pimps.

Yes, we have our own opinions and it is not about pulling the race card. This can be a racial discussion b/c it is life from an AA perspective so race is an obvious factor.

Bottom line: AA and Whites raise their children differently. This is not a stereotype, but just a fact. I grew up in both households so I have both the experience and the knowledge. I put my life on the fact that you can not say the same. To have a true opinion on something, you have to have as much info on it as possible, otherwise everything that comes out of your mouth is moot. You're essentially spewing nonsense.
Speak on what you know and enjoy the show. :D

I believe that we can't make a sweeping generalization about how any race raise their children.I think it's indivual.Some white household families are run with an iron fist and Some Black families do the "time-out" thing.To be honest,I think it's more of a socio-economic issue.
I also come from a mixed racial background,and I've seen several different child-rearing styles on both sides of the families.

Originally posted by knl9674
are you kidding me trying to compare the Cosby's with the Evans as far as parenting? what exactly are you smoking over there? Cosby kids could have a "talking to" b/c what kind of trouble were they getting into in the 1980s with 6 figure incomes? Oh, I forgot Theo got his ear pierced or Vanessa wore makeup to school. OH...the BIG one when Rudy stole $5 for a tshirt? Are you high yet?
Compared with James keeping his children from street pushers in the building, gang activity and pimps.

Yes, we have our own opinions and it is not about pulling the race card. This can be a racial discussion b/c it is life from an AA perspective so race is an obvious factor.

Bottom line: AA and Whites raise their children differently. This is not a stereotype, but just a fact. I grew up in both households so I have both the experience and the knowledge. I put my life on the fact that you can not say the same. To have a true opinion on something, you have to have as much info on it as possible, otherwise everything that comes out of your mouth is moot. You're essentially spewing nonsense.
Speak on what you know and enjoy the show. :D

I'll let you decide whether a Masters Degree in Social Work and three years of experience with crisis intervention in African American and Caucasian families qualifies me to speak on this subject. Then again, I really don't care what you think, I'll say what I believe to be correct. Anytime you generalize, you discriminate and your generalizations are not even consistent. Last I checked, The Cosbys were an African American family too. Are you saying that money and success make people "less African American"? I hate racism in all its forms.

you're backsliding. you don't care what i think, so why do you continue to aim your pointless jabber at me?

you care juuust a little.

thanks for the resume. but you continue to prove my points.

Originally posted by knl9674
you're backsliding. you don't care what i think, so why do you continue to aim your pointless jabber at me?

you care juuust a little.

thanks for the resume. but you continue to prove my points.


I do care a little, the same way that I care about a fly buzzing in my ear. Education and experience are where it's at, my friend.

(stretches and yawns)

is that you AGAIN?

Originally posted by knl9674
(stretches and yawns)

is that you AGAIN?


Yeah, but you don't have to respond if the whole thing upsets you too much.

can you say childish?
my choosing not to respond is not b/c anything that you type is upsetting, but it's just plain annoying.

you need a hug don't you?
(reaches out to give GeeBee a hug)

there, there. it's okay. inhale deeply, exhale slowly. that's it. you're doing well.

oops hold on...i see what's causing the problem. let me remove this stick from your behind. (snatches)

see...don't you see things differently now? isn't life so much more beautiful and stress free?

(gives big bear hug)

no, no..don't thank me. anyone with half a heart woulda done the same.


;)

knl9674, CCRYDER1968 and GeeBee...I find all of your opinions absolutely correct. ALL OF YOU! Believe it or not. Out of the six billion or so people on this whole planet earth, no two people of any race does something a certain way and then again some of them do. I have lived in three different countries, in black neighborhoods and white and now multicultural. I've seen all of what the three of you have said. You are all correct.:confused:

I love people with open minds,who can see different sides of the truth!(And with intellegence w/o resorting to name calling or verbal jabs) Thanx,Laney!:wave: :)

You're welcome, "CC.....". Understanding never comes from disputation. :wave:

Originally posted by knl9674

you need a hug don't you?
(reaches out to give GeeBee a hug)

there, there. it's okay. inhale deeply, exhale slowly. that's it. you're doing well.

oops hold on...i see what's causing the problem. let me remove this stick from your behind. (snatches)

see...don't you see things differently now? isn't life so much more beautiful and stress free?

(gives big bear hug)

no, no..don't thank me. anyone with half a heart woulda done the same.


;)

I've already asked you to keep your fantasies off of these boards.

Originally posted by knl9674
can you say childish?
my choosing not to respond is not b/c anything that you type is upsetting, but it's just plain annoying.


And yet, you keep responding. Strange.

Originally posted by GeeBee
I've already asked you to keep your fantasies off of these boards. :mad: And I am asking if taking "Off Topics" off this board...Thanks

My least favorite character was Bookman and Wilona. Didn't see a purpose for them. There were some and I do mean some clothes wilona wore that were kinda cute, but she just wasn't funny. Booman got on my last nerves, and that crying Wanda. YUK!:mad:

Florida has bugged me since I got season two. I just don't like her.

Originally posted by The Modfather
Florida has bugged me since I got season two. I just don't like her.



Why? because she was allergic to money?-LOL

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Why? because she was allergic to money?-LOL


She was only allergic to dirty money.

Michael.

I'll go with Florida and not because she is a bad person.It's due to the fact that at times, she can be a little bit too goody two shoes (which Thelma admitted).

Florida has bugged me since I got season two. I just don't like her.

:yeahthat :nod:

:yeahthat :nod:


Flo was alright with me

JJ to be honest. I don't understand what was so funny about him?? All of his jokes were corny & he annoyed me a whole lot of the time!!

To be honest, all of them made me sick at some point.

To be honest, all of them made me sick at some point.


James was proabably the only one who never annoyed me

JJ used to be my least favorite (still is), but after watching Florida:

Talk James into returning the supermarket money

Refuses to lie for Vita a Brite and earn $5000.00

talks James into not taking the Alaska job

didn't want James working for a crooked preacher, who just happens to be an old pal of his...

Yup, Florida is the one.

A couple weeks ago, I would have said J.J. However, he wasn't a bad guy. A doofus, yes, but his intentions were good.

Since I have to pick somebody, I guess I'd have to say Thelma for mostly trivial reasons. Her high-pitched whines got on my nerves. Plus, she put J.J. down cold in an early episode (I forgot which one), talking about how he wasn't a real artist or something like that.

A couple weeks ago, I would have said J.J. However, he wasn't a bad guy. A doofus, yes, but his intentions were good.

Since I have to pick somebody, I guess I'd have to say Thelma for mostly trivial reasons. Her high-pitched whines got on my nerves. Plus, she put J.J. down cold in an early episode (I forgot which one), talking about how he wasn't a real artist or something like that.



One of those high pitch moments was in Part 2 of the Big Move, and it really annoyed me.

One of those high pitch moments was in Part 2 of the Big Move, and it really annoyed me.



What moment could that be in "The Big Move pt. 2.

Was it when she said, "Oh Ma What's, What's WRONNNGG!!

Cause I loved how she got loud with Flo, and Flo put her in check.

What moment could that be in "The Big Move pt. 2.

Was it when she said, "Oh Ma What's, What's WRONNNGG!!

Cause I loved how she got loud with Flo, and Flo put her in check.


Yup, that's the part, She was shaking and everything, i was like damm, that was a bit much

I totally agree.

Or when she whined to J.J. that everybody was laughing, while she and Michael were in her room crying.

I gotta say, I liked that part when they was so confused why Flo wasn't crying. Thelma was just frustrated cause they didn't understand what was the deal with Flo. And I liked when Thelma told JJ that Flo said everybody should be singing and BEATING DRUMS, and that they were wrong for feeling the pain of James' death.

To this day, it is still JJ...he reminds me of a skinny, black, Mr. Ed... puke: and to make matters worse, is when they show a scene with JJ without any clothes on (only his drawers) enough for me to start batting for the other team... :thumbsdow