Contributor, can knock a fictional tv character all he/she wants. It is pointless. Without Debra, there is no show. PERIOD Debra is the foundation, without her all you have is a show about two brothers who are miserable who constantly look for their mothers approval. A couple of brothers in their 40's by the way. A mother who refuses to cut the cord and a father who cannot or will not show much affection. Debra is the balance, the straw that stirs the drink. You can over-ANALyze things that are wrong with Debra, but then again you could do that with every character on the show. You choose not to. Contributor, what's your point? You can't win. Remember this is TV.

Debra is only a television character, but she is a television character that is superficial, insensitive, abrasive, and hypocritcal.

She's a character that is loving ,supportive, tolerant, sensitive, kind, tough, hard working, helpful, sexy, giving, persistent, intelligent, spiritual and last but certainly not least f-u-n-n-y!

Supportive? What show have you been watching? She doesn't even bother reading Raymond's column, and in the Christmas letter episode Raymond disclosed that Debra is so non supporting that he didn't mention to her the turn down of his application for a better position at his newspaper.

To categorize Debra as a hard worker is a joke. She was employed one day during the time the Barones are married.

Brian Damage has created a fictitious character within a fictitious character.

Contributor!You analyse this fictionnal character for years now!What's the point!You hate Debra!So,what?Life goes on you know!

Originally posted by Contributor
Supportive? What show have you been watching? She doesn't even bother reading Raymond's column, and in the Christmas letter episode Raymond disclosed that Debra is so non supporting that he didn't mention to her the turn down of his application for a better position at his newspaper.

To categorize Debra as a hard worker is a joke. She was employed one day during the time the Barones are married.

Brian Damage has created a fictitious character within a fictitious character.


She is a housewife that has to take care of three children(two of which are twins) and she has to do it with little or no help from her husband. Who would rather play golf than take his kids to the park. And just because she doesn't read Raymond's column doesn't make her less supportive. Big deal, she is not a sports fan. His parents don't read the column either. She is hard working in other ways and supportive in other ways. Those are the facts. Sorry you can't see that.

Brian Damage, Debra is a piker. Sorry you can't see that.

Women of the 1950s and 1960s had five or six kids and handled all the household responsibilities with little or no help from their husbands. Three kids is not much of a chore in comparison.

The husband was the bread winner and the wife ran the household.

Where is this alleged support? Brian Damage, you apparently forgot the wedding invitations episode in which it was revealed that Debra wasn't even willing to put a tape in a VCR for Raymond. Sorry, you can't see that.

Debra is a loathsome character. Sorry you can't see that.

How about the Tee Ball episode?

There wasn't Frank and Marie to blame for Debra's abrasive behavior.

The tee ball orchestrator spent many unpaid hours organizing tee ball for the pre-school neighborhood kids. Though he went to extremes, his heart was in the right place.

The menus for the children were probably discussed and agreed on before the season started. Debra had a month to six weeks notice to get some of the many approved snacks on the orchestrator's list.

Debra incessantly moans about being unappreciated, but she doesn't reciprocate with appreciation for others. It was more paramount for Debra to throw her weight around than to be decent to a fellow who was trying to help.

A decent human being would have chuckled at the "approved snacks", but conformed with the menu to non verbally express gratitude to the tee ball orchestrator for giving so much to the kids.

Considering the orchestrator's time and effort, the "approved snacks" list wasn't grossly out of line.

I don't care how many Emmy's (in a comparatively weak field) the over-rated Patricia Heaton receives, Debra is a classless character. Sorry, you can't see that Brian Damage.

Remember how Debra acted in the episode in which Ray won an award. She was snide after the introduction of Ray's fellow nominees. Sorry, you can't see that Brian Damage.

*Yawn*

First of all, you obviously never raised two children the exact same age. That is hard, very hard. 50's, 60's or now there is no difference. The only difference is now women have more rights and just don't blindly do whatever their husbands tell them to do.

You mean to tell me Raymond couldn't see a tape that was clearly labeled "Wedding" and not expect Debra to get upset. Poor Raymond was so busy watching a football game that he couldn't take the time to find a suitable tape and place it in the VCR. Boo-hoo.

As far as the snacks go she didn't bring candy or twinkies, she brought pretzels. Was it on the list? No. Should the "orchestrator" make a big deal out of it? Hell no. To add to that, Raymond should of supported his wife right or wrong and instead begged for that man's approval. Yet, Debra is supposed to just stand back with a smile on her face. Yeah right.

Debra is flawed, her biggest problem isn't being cold hearted or abrasive. It's being waaaaay too tolerant of her husband and family.

P.S., Overrated? Once maybe you can say luck, but twice I don't think so. Plus she won best actress from Screen Actors Guild(Which is voted by her peers in the industry) Your so called points are laughable. Sorry you can't see that.

What Brian Damage said.

:yeahthat

Originally posted by Brian Damage
Sorry you can't see that.

:lol:

Contributor!You remind me of my mother in law who just can't see that time change after 50 years...Stop living in the past.Look outside,you see that people changed alot since.It's a show that explain the reality of today in the funniest way.When I watch a show,I want to enjoy it,not look up every detailes you know?I hate some characters on tv but,I don't go to the message boards and put them down in front of their fans.That's very rude.

Guys, it's just a TV show! Lighten up and just enjoy it, okay??

Originally posted by Dr. Thong
Guys, it's just a TV show! Lighten up and just enjoy it, okay??

We do. :)

Brian Damage, I agree with you. Contributor, Debra is not perfect. sure, she can be a witch sometimes. Roseanne was always a witch, but I don't see you bashing her. Its apparent you are not wanted here, Contributor, so go......um.....go contribute.

Debra is great! I don't know how she can put up with Ray and Marie...I would've left long ago!:lol:

Deb can be a witch, but she rocks! I love her. In fact I really love the whole cast. None of them really get to me. I am so bummed the show is ending.

Debra's great! :D

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I agree, Debra is the balance, sure she has her flaws but she is still a fantastic wife and mother. I mean look at what she has to put up with. I thoughtless bumbling idiot of a husband and overbearing in-laws who live right across the street. Debra is A+++ for putting up with all their crap.

Supportive? What show have you been watching? She doesn't even bother reading Raymond's column, and in the Christmas letter episode Raymond disclosed that Debra is so non supporting that he didn't mention to her the turn down of his application for a better position at his newspaper.

To categorize Debra as a hard worker is a joke. She was employed one day during the time the Barones are married.

Brian Damage has created a fictitious character within a fictitious character.


I agree with you totally Contributor...... I don't and never really liked her on the show..... She is always yelling and blaming everything on Raymond.....Even if he does help, if it's not her way then it's the wrong way..... Marie to bugs me...she babies Ray over Robert and I do feel sorry for Debra only when Marie is around cause of the way she treats her... I couldn't handle having a mother-inlaw like her and I certainly wouldn't live across the street from them...... NO!NO!

Debra seemed to always scowl at Ray everytime that he made a comment
and she always made faces at him when she became angry with him.

I was thinking that "Everybody Loves Debra" might not be an accurate thread title as far as I'm concerned. With me, it's more like I lust Debra. Even when she's berating Ray, she's still hot. Feisty and spunky. I think Ray's a wiener for putting up with it. He deserves it half the time. :D

Without Debra, there is no show. PERIOD Debra is the foundation, without her all you have is a show about two brothers who are miserable who constantly look for their mothers approval. .

Wait a sec, we have to fair to Ray. He doesn't look for his mother's approval. As a matter of fact, his whole point was to warn everyone (including Debra) about his family, especially his mother. Remember, Debra didn't believe him when he warned her before they were married? Remember how he plotted on where to move to avoid his parents? Hey, he told Debra, don't blame Ray if she didn't listen. ;)

First of all, I have to ask, hey Celine.....who is that guy in your avatar picture, he's cute!!!!!! :happyface

Second of all, I don't really like Debra's character much either... I do find she sucks the fun out of alot of situations, I also couldn't handle the meddleing mother-inlaw.... That would drive me crazy to have someone over every day like that and to critisize everything I did too.....
I didn't find Debra all that funny, I like Ray he is the one that makes the show what it is, not Debra..... I loved the episode where they both were trying to see who could go the longest without sex, and when they were trying to seduce each other and Ray with his silk boxers copying Debra's moves, that was so halarious...... :lol:

I loved the episode where they both were trying to see who could go the longest without sex, and when they were trying to seduce each other and Ray with his silk boxers copying Debra's moves, that was so halarious...... :lol:

What episode was that? What season?

What episode was that? What season?

It was a few weeks ago, this season, "The Power of No"

[QUOTE=Contributor]Supportive? What show have you been watching? She doesn't even bother reading Raymond's column, and in the Christmas letter episode Raymond disclosed that Debra is so non supporting that he didn't mention to her the turn down of his application for a better position at his newspaper.

To categorize Debra as a hard worker is a joke. She was employed one day during the time the Barones are married.
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EXCUUUUUUSE me - have you ever stayed at home, tried to keep up on housework, yardwork, laundry, getting nutrious meals for a family, doing all the shopping, errands, running kids around, etc.? You don't think that's a full time job in itself??? Try like a 24/7 job buddy! You are clueless and sound like a chauvenist from the 50s. I guess you'd rather a woman supports you.

Debra is a great charater and she does what she does becuase she loves the family and if you cant see that then something is wrong, i mean she puts up with marie and frank becuase she loves ray and she loves her children and want to give them everything, so what shes a little testy but at least she cares and whatever she does she does becuase she wants to not becuase someone forces her too. and in the episode t-ball she had a point of not bringing the snacks, all it was, was that pompus little ass was on a power trip. so i can see were she's commin' from.. so come on!

Running a household is work M*****F*********

And when I'm feeling low,
She comes as no surprise.
Turns me on with her love.
Takes me to paradise.



RICK JAMES

"Cocaine is a hell of a drug.":D
RICK JAMES, R.I.P.

Debra is only a television character, but she is a television character that is superficial, insensitive, abrasive, and hypocritcal.

She's also very sexy. I'd hit:D

She's also very sexy. I'd hit:D

haha... yeah, If I went that way, I would too!

Debra certainly sparks a lot of emotions here. As a fairly new viewer to ELR, I am still catching up on episodes that I have not yet seen. Debra can be seen as two ways:

1. A woman who is fed up with her inlaws spending more time in her and Rays house than they do in their own home, Marie's constant interferance and snide remarks, Frank's crudeness, and Roberts mopiness. Also, she has Ray's lack of interest to contend with as well. All that would drive even the calmest, most rational person to the brink of madness.

2. An over-critical, sometimes self centered woman who constantly finds falult and nitpicks everything to death.

Often, the writers found the balance between the two, but there are times when Debra flies of f the handle at the slightest thing. I just finished watching the Season 1 DVD, and here are a couple of examples.

In the "I Love You" episode where she is saying that Ray never says "I love you" to her, he realzies that his parents never said it either, and he talks ot Franks about it, and Marie comes in as they are talking. Later, Frank and Marie make a show of "I Love you," and Debra gets mad at Ray for dealing with the problem like that. IMO, he did the right thing by trying to get to the root of the problem, it was the others who went to the extreme.

In "the Game," where they play Scruples, Marie makes up a question about whether Ray would take her in if she were alone (Frank having passed away). He tries to dance around in, then finally says "yes" to placate her. Debra gets mad at him for making that decision without discussing it. It was silly because it was apparent that Ray was saying that to get Marie to drop it.

In Debra's defense, though, a lot of her hissy fits wold be avoided it Ray were more attentive to her.

One time I didn't like her, though, was in the show where there was a PTA meeting or something and Debra told people that she didn't know who Ray was becuase he ebmarrassed her. That was mean and they dealt with it.

Every character adds something special to the show, but Debra gives it that bit of an edge.

Alfred