Not being pregnant alone would cause it, but if she really felt her life was in danger, it may have contributed to how irrational she was acting, which may have gotten so bad that it lead to things like schizophrenia.

Schizophrenia isn't caused by things like hormonal imbalances or immense fears. While the exact cause(s) are still up for debate, there is very strong evidence to suggest they are almost entirely neurological.

I'm not a doctor, but my own sister developed issues similar and behavior while pregnant with my nephew. She actually attacked my step dad.

I have also known someone who exhibited similar behavior while pregnant. In fact, many of her symptoms mirror behaviors Tammy was exhibiting around the time of her disappearance: debilitating fear, sudden panic, accusations and other statements not apparently or clearly based in reality. However, these came in the form of "attacks", rather than a continued paranoia and disturbance like Tammy apparently displayed. I can say for certain what the cause of those attacks were, but the symptoms looked a lot like prepartum/postpartum psychosis, which is of course episodic.

I'm curious too about the out of town party, and think the a lot of answers lay there.

I don't know what to think about it. One day I think she had an undiagnosed disorder. The next I think she was responding quite normally to the stress of knowing a lot of overwhelming, potentially dangerous information and not feeling able to tell anyone else about it. This one's an extremely tough one for me to even begin to put a finger on--always has been.

Schizophrenia isn't caused by things like hormonal imbalances or immense fears. While the exact cause(s) are still up for debate, there is very strong evidence to suggest they are almost entirely neurological.


It can trigger disorders a person may be predispositioned to. That I know is a fact, because it was the case with my sister as diagnosed by a doctor. Maybe that wasn't the case with Tammy, but to me it rings as a very good possibility.

Unfortunately I believe Tammy had a mental breakdown which resulted in amnesia and caused her to lose herself, were she went could be either hitch hiking or she was abducted/taken advantage of by someone. She may have gotten lost and died of the elements. But i honestly do not think she is alive, too many years have gone by, and no leads or clues, she met with foul play maybe someone she knew. Sad case, i feel terrible that her mother never found out what happened to her.

I also agree that whatever happened to her, she's probably not alive anymore, and was most likely killed by someone, be it someone she knew, or a stranger. Poor girl, and poor family :(

But at the same time, if he was trying to kidnap her or if Tammy felt threatened by him, I certainly don't think he would just sit there at the gas station and allow her to make 3 phone calls from the payphone.



I think this guy and Tammy were on the way to get an abortion, she began having second thoughts and that's what led to the argument. I doubt he thought about killing her in the beginning so he would have allowed her to get out and make phone calls, get something from the station etc. When she got back in the car and continued to refuse to get the abortion that was when he decided to she had to die.

I'm not buying into Rick Adams' odd story about her "confessing her love for him" on the 5th. Also, Rick Adams' claimed that Tammy told him she might be going away for a while. What is the first thing one says about someone who is missing?


I'm so glad someone else picked up on that. The pace with which he speaks and the way he mimics the conversation between he and her made me think this was just some guy who got friendzoned by Tammy trying to insinuate there was more to the relationship. The whole statement may have been a lie, but not because he knows anything, but just because he wanted to be on TV. I would be interested in knowing if this item came out to the police first, or to UM.

I think this guy and Tammy were on the way to get an abortion, she began having second thoughts and that's what led to the argument. I doubt he thought about killing her in the beginning so he would have allowed her to get out and make phone calls, get something from the station etc. When she got back in the car and continued to refuse to get the abortion that was when he decided to she had to die.

With all due respect, that's some pretty bold speculation in light of the fact that the rumor Leppert was pregnant has never been substantiated, nor that she was sexually involved with ANYONE at the time she disappeared, let alone this guy who dropped her off.



I'm so glad someone else picked up on that. The pace with which he speaks and the way he mimics the conversation between he and her made me think this was just some guy who got friendzoned by Tammy trying to insinuate there was more to the relationship. The whole statement may have been a lie, but not because he knows anything, but just because he wanted to be on TV. I would be interested in knowing if this item came out to the police first, or to UM.

I believe Rick Adams is telling the truth. There is definite evidence to suggest they were indeed close friends--close enough for those kind of statements to have a basis in reality. And "going away for a while" could have easily meant California, not her hiding out from some unknown threat.

Maybe he wanted her to get the abortion because the kid wasn't his?

I think it'd be more likely that if this was the case, and she refused to get the abortion, that he could go into a rage and kill her.

I agree with MegtheEgg86, as usual. Tammy was in the process of getting ready to go to California for 6 months. What else could "going away for a while," be in Rick's mind?

It may not come across that way in the UM interview, but articles about Rick's last meeting with Tammy are not romantic. When she told him that she loved him, she meant as a friend. Haven't you ever told a friend that you loved him/her? I have countless times. The two of them hugged afterwards. They didn't make out or make future romantic plans or discuss their relationship. They simply went to Temple to pray and they made plans to return to church the following afternoon but she had already disappeared. Rick said dating Tammy was always out of the question because of the attention she got everywhere she went and her obsession with always looking perfect (hair, makeup, clothes) when she went out in public. He said it drove him nuts and that he wouldn't have the energy to compete for her attention.

I too would like to know where the information about her being pregnant came from because it was never even proven. Given her paranoia of not being able to trust anyone, not even her family, during those last several months makes it highly unlikely that she would have trusted a guy enough to sleep with him.

I wonder if maybe this was an illegal abortion gone wrong, that lead to her death and a cover up. This was in the early 1980's, where abortions were still kind of taboo.

I too would like to know where the information about her being pregnant came from because it was never even proven. Given her paranoia of not being able to trust anyone, not even her family, during those last several months makes it highly unlikely that she would have trusted a guy enough to sleep with him.
I agree. She was allegedly three months along, but her paranoia and strange behavior had been going on much longer than that. I really wonder who thought she was pregnant and passed that information along. Something theorized that the person she was afraid of forced himself on her, but who knows? It's all speculation given the little information we have. Tammy's pregnancy could be a simple rumor.

I also believe Rick Adams. He seems so genuine in his interview and I also believe that the love he mentioned was not a romantic love. Tammy was desperate when she went to the church to pray and I believe she fully intended to go back and join him there. He seemed like a great friend who wanted to be there for her.

We have to remember that she met with a lot of people due to being in films so it could be someone from one of the movies she did. Remember Spring Break (1982) a lot of extras are in the movie, she could of met a few guys who may have known where she lived. Maybe she was raped by one of them before filming Scar face (1983), but i believe someone from one of those productions did something, I would not be shocked if she slept with a producer or agent to help her get in and fit in, this is hollywood. Maybe even a producer of one of the movies raped her or stalked her, and he made her dissapear to keep her quiet.:(

They aired Tammy's story on the updated UM today. They made a big mess of it. Dennis Farina said Tammy was 17. Then the segment ended with her being dropped off at the Glass Bank with little mention of the "friend" who left her there. Since that's where they ended the story, they didn't tell us about the phone calls she made.

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They aired Tammy's story on the updated UM today. They made a big mess of it. Dennis Farina said Tammy was 17. Then the segment ended with her being dropped off at the Glass Bank with little mention of the "friend" who left her there. Since that's where they ended the story, they didn't tell us about the phone calls she made.

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To be fair, the original segment never mentioned the phone calls either. We discovered that tidbit several years later when old articles were posted online and the majority of us thought it was probably UM's tradition of intentionally withholding a few facts from the story so that operators at the telecenter would know which callers to write off.

It's also interesting that the original Tammy Lynn segment was one of UM's longer segments, around 14ish minutes. And there's an article online where Tammy's mother Linda said it's impossible to really tell Tammy's story in just 14 minutes but she was still thankful that UM was going to air the case. I'm sure the revamped Farina version (which is probably around 5 minutes) is probably as bad as you said.

To be fair, the original segment never mentioned the phone calls either. We discovered that tidbit several years later when old articles were posted online and the majority of us thought it was probably UM's tradition of intentionally withholding a few facts from the story so that operators at the telecenter would know which callers to write off.

It's also interesting that the original Tammy Lynn segment was one of UM's longer segments, around 14ish minutes. And there's an article online where Tammy's mother Linda said it's impossible to really tell Tammy's story in just 14 minutes but she was still thankful that UM was going to air the case. I'm sure the revamped Farina version (which is probably around 5 minutes) is probably as bad as you said.

Thank you for letting me know about the phone calls. I honestly can't remember much about the Robert Stack episodes. It's been so many years since I saw them, and I really miss them. IIRC, today's segment was around 10-12 minutes. (I wasn't paying close attention.) In the original version, there was a little bit of info about Tammy's "friend," right? I seem to remember that, which may have been the extra few minutes that was missing. I don't remember them just cutting the story off when she was dropped off.

Why did Tammy have three social security numbers? Is that even possible?

I too would like to know where the information about her being pregnant came from because it was never even proven. Given her paranoia of not being able to trust anyone, not even her family, during those last several months makes it highly unlikely that she would have trusted a guy enough to sleep with him.

Perhaps the information about Tammy being pregnant was leaked by a family member. Here's a link to a forum where it seems, Tammys sister mentions it being a possibility.

If you scroll down,you can read the actual police report on Tammy's disappearance.

http://icaremissingpersonscoldcases.yuku.com/topic/408/Tammy-Lynn-Leppert-missing-since-July-6-1983-from-Fla#.U26OVVfYGJ8

Thanks for the link. I saw in the police report Tami's mom made that Tami had on flip flops and had her purse with her. Over the years it has been said she was barefoot and had no purse. So why the change? And why is there a question as to what cars she was in? They know the person she was last with , so they most know what car he drives. And the cops did not talk to that guy till two years after Tammy disappeared? I would think the last person she was with would be the first person they would talk too. Apparently they did do a ground search after they stopped acting like she was a runaway. You would think the police would have more concern after the unusually behavior Tammy was exhibiting before she disappeared.

Slightly off topic...was Tami's scene used in the movie? Scarface, that is. I swear that is her in the blue bikini at the car right before the guy is chainsawed.

Slightly off topic...was Tami's scene used in the movie? Scarface, that is. I swear that is her in the blue bikini at the car right before the guy is chainsawed.

Yes that is her.

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tammy3.jpg

But she had her meltdown shortly after and had to quit the film. A later scene involved her character slapping Vinny by the swimming pool, so the part was recast with this girl...

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/Tammy2.jpg

Oh cool. Thanks.

Yes, Tami's mother did pass away.

The woman in the blue bikini at poolside in Scarface replaced Tami after her onset nervous breakdown. This woman got the credit for this part without Tami receiving any credit.

aspengold, according to the date Charley Project has (June 1st for the window breaking incident), I think those dates in question July 1, July 2, July 4, should probably be JUNE and not JULY.

But Charley Project also says that the date she went missing was after 11:00am on JULY 6. I wonder why her mom was calling and looking for her on July 3 and July 4? Was she just checking to see if Tammy was with friends, not as in "she's missing, we can't find her, have you seen her?" but more like "I just got home and Tammy didn't leave a note, is she over at your house"?

Far Off Promise, IIRC, Tammy was screened for drugs when she was admitted to the psychiatric ward and she was clean. If it was drugs that made her go crazy and bust out the window, they might have still been in detectable levels at that time.

How long does it take for some of the harder drugs to leave the system? I looked up cocaine. If the interwebs are to be believed, after one use, it can be detected for 1-3 days. In a habitual user, it can be detected in the urine 12 weeks after use. If she'd last been using drugs in March and April, I wonder if they would show up on a drug screen in June, using early 1980s medical technology?
Tami disappeared on the weekend before July 4th (Monday), not in June.

I wonder if any sightings of here were reported. My take is she saw a murder at one of the parties and had a nervous breakdown.
No sightings of her reported after Keith (supposedly) dropped her off at the "Glass Bank" in Cocoa Beach. Lots of swamps (with alligators) between Cocoa Beach and Orlando, especially along the St. John's River with multitudes of fishing roads and paths. There was also some talk back then that maybe she was abducted to be sold into sex slavery.

The glass bank where she was last seen has just been tore down. Kind of feels weird. I don't drive by without saying my prayers for Tami and her family.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjCFzilJlr8

I'm not sure if Christopher Wilder has been ruled out as a suspect, but if he were in the area at the time Tami went missing, I'd bet dollars to donuts he was involved. She was JUST his type.

She is pretty much every guys type.

I'm not sure if Christopher Wilder has been ruled out as a suspect, but if he were in the area at the time Tami went missing, I'd bet dollars to donuts he was involved. She was JUST his type.

Yeah, I mentioned that a little while ago, I think they called him "The Beauty Queen Killer" or something. His crime spree that we know of started in 1984 in Florida, and Tammy vanished in 1983 Florida, so it's definitely a strong possibility.

I don't know if she was every guy's type, but she might have ended up getting a bit part (possibly a breakthrough) on Miami Vice had she not disappeared. She certainly had the requisite looks for that show.

It doesn't seem that many questions were asked about the out of town party, or who was in attendance (Keith? It also sounds like the sort of event that Wilder would have went to, and allegedly Wilder had met Tammy on the Spring Break set). I don't believe that something necessarily happened at the party, but that she may have had interactions with someone there who meant her harm. The same with the pregnancy allegations; it's a bit unusual that there's never been any mention of whom she was dating other than Rick Adams, any exes, or what led someone to suspect that she *might* have been pregnant.

I think that the timing and urgency of those last calls tend to suggest that something happened to Tammy very shortly thereafter. Why did she make no further effort to contact other friends in an attempt to travel to Ft. Lauderdale (as Keith claimed she was wanting to)? It sounds like she had some plans on traveling to California to further her career, what motivation would there be for her to go to Ft. Lauderdale?

He is still listed as a suspect but without her body it is hard to pin it on him. He was suspected in other cases as well but those victims bodies were found. He would often just dump the bodies so she could have been dumped into a body of water and never found. They had a case of a young girl that was killed on 48 hrs awhile back that disappeared in FL from a mall. I always thought he might have kidnapped her. Since he decided to commit suicide we will likely never know how many crimes he was responsible for. I'm sure that he started committing murder thought before he became a spree killer.

That was my impression, too. Also the fact that he posed as a photographer. I could see where he could have easily duped a young actress/model like Tammy, especially considering her emotional state at the time.

I miss Tammy and her friendship!

I miss Tammy and her friendship!
Did you know her personally?

This is one of those cases where I'm still shocked that something has not happened. I believe that she was raped which is what may have caused the issues she was experiencing. I also believe whoever that last person was that she jumped into a vehicle with, is the one who may have killed her. That person saying he dropped her off in a bank parking lot after an argument is disturbingly similar to the Wendy Camp case when the exact same excuse is given.


I'm just surprised nothing has come of this case.

This is one of those cases where I'm still shocked that something has not happened. I believe that she was raped which is what may have caused the issues she was experiencing. I also believe whoever that last person was that she jumped into a vehicle with, is the one who may have killed her. That person saying he dropped her off in a bank parking lot after an argument is disturbingly similar to the Wendy Camp case when the exact same excuse is given.


I'm just surprised nothing has come of this case.
I, too, always thought that she was raped and/or witness to a murder or something like that.

You all realize programs like this are put together very quickly with little to no research. This show especially. They have a contractor in the vicinity do the filmography and question the witnesses through written interrogatories. Neither Robert Stack nor Dennis Farina ever traveled to the locations. Everything I see on this board and the other boards pertaining to Leppert's disappearance are nothing but speculations, anecdotal hypothesis, and contradictory "evidence". That anyone actually believes the Cocoa Beach Police Department continues to investigate this after 33 years is delusional. They barely investigated this in 1983. I know for a fact that information about her being seen on the beach and near the old bank building was given to the Police within a week of her going missing and they never followed up on it. This information was again provided to them a year and a half later and the same detective barely remembered the first report. Cocoa Beach was (and still is) a very small beach community that literately only exists because of beach goers and tourists. The faster they can get a story involving violence out of the media, the better. And in 1983 more so.

don't think tammy was normal, seemed a little bit weird. My guess is she ran away and was killed in something unrelated to anything she thought she saw. I mean what could she have possibly seen at a party for a straight to vhs movie that would be worth her to be murdered?

Its florida, what if a gator killed her? What if she were ran over and became a jane doe?

It was a theatrical release. It brought in about 25 million, which was good for 1983. Especially for a film shot in less than a week for about 1 million.

Neither Robert Stack nor Dennis Farina ever traveled to the locations.
For Dennis Farina, this is true. He stayed in a studio. Robert Stack, however, was on location for many segments. Not that it really matters for the investigation factor, as Stack the host, not a researcher.

I will agree with you, however, about the LE involvement. It doesn't seem like police made that much of an effort on this case. If the Cocoa Beach PD has an active cold case unit, I also doubt much of anything is being done at all, unfortunately. If police had pounced on this from day one of even week one, we could possibly have answers today. This should have been treated as a suspicious disappearance from the get go, especially considering Tammy's frantic phone calls to her aunt (which, to be fair, were not known until her aunt returned from vacation a few days later).

May I ask how you know for a fact that police didn't follow up for more than a week?

WishfulDreamer,
I meant to answer your question about where Tami appeared in "Scareface" and logged on tonight to do so. However, I see that several people already answered your question. Tami's only appearance in "Scarface" was that scene where she is speaking with the lookout who is sitting in the convertible during "the chainsaw" scene. I think Tami also had a very short line in that scene, but the line was cut out. As for "Spring Break", she appears in several spots and is identifiable. She is in one scene where she is dancing by a swimming pool. In another scene, she is the female boxer at the club where the guys watch the wet t-shirt contest. Also, those are Tami's hips on the "Spring Break" movie poster. It's been many years since I've seen "Little Darlings", but I do remember that she is sitting right behind Kristi McNichol and Tatum O'Neal in one of the camp cafeteria scenes.
I also see where someone posted a recent picture of the "Glass Bank" and said that the bank building had been closed up for about 20 years. At the time of Tami's disappearance, the "Glass Bank" building was in use and was a well known building in Cocoa Beach. Also, a popular nightspot at the time, "Brassy's Nightclub" was behind the "Glass Bank". The ABC Lounge was just north of the bank in the same parking lot area. That spot is also where A1A splits up into 2-lane one-way sections. The "Glass Bank" was off of the south bound one-way side with Catalina Isles Blvd/Cedar Ave one block west of the bank, and there was also a Winn Dixie grocery store in a shopping plaza there and a gas station across the street. With the businesses around there, the Catalina Isles neighborhood and a beach access, this place was not a remote spot. It is amazing that no one saw her around there, or at least noticed an attractive young blonde in apparent distress, especially on a holiday weekend in mid-summer in a Florida beach town.
Someone else also recently wrote that Tami's boyfriend dropped her off there. Keith, the one who dropped her off, was just a male friend and not a boyfriend.
Something else of interest: The sister of those 3 Florida siblings (2 brothers and a sister) who went on a crime spree in Florida and Colorado where they were captured back in 2010 or 2011, worked at a strip joint in "No Man's Land", the strip of land in between Cocoa Beach and Cape Canaveral. I mention this because I think that building that the strip club is in is the same building that Tami's mother, Linda Curtis, operated her Galaxy Studios from in the very early '80s, which was right in front of the old Mouse Trap Restaurant and across A1A from Our Saviour's Catholic School and Church. She later moved her studio to Merritt Island near a Pizza Hut. I once saw Tami at the First Baptist Church of Merritt Island which was only a couple of blocks from the studio.
Just thought I'd add some extra information. I can't believe it's been almost 30 years since her disappearance.

You must have lived there or still do. I grew up in Orlando but remember going to Cocoa beach as far back as the sixties when I was a wee lad. Mouse Trap, the old and tiny Ron Jon's, Hong Kong House, The Moon Hut, and of course Bernard's Surf. Of course when I was stationed there at Patrick from 1985 to 1988, there was Teaser's in Cape Canaveral, and the Inner Room which I think is the strip club you were talking about. Brassy's was great. I saw the Ramones, X, Cheap Trick, Blackfoot, Warren Zevon, and a few others there. Remember the rotating bar and lighted dance floor at ABC? If you ever listened to WFIT I did a show there for a few months for a friend who was out of commission due to a motorcycle accident. My DJ name was "Soldier Boy". Sadly, like the way Tammy disappeared, much of the Cocoa Beach I remember is gone forever.

For Dennis Farina, this is true. He stayed in a studio. Robert Stack, however, was on location for many segments. Not that it really matters for the investigation factor, as Stack the host, not a researcher.

I will agree with you, however, about the LE involvement. It doesn't seem like police made that much of an effort on this case. If the Cocoa Beach PD has an active cold case unit, I also doubt much of anything is being done at all, unfortunately. If police had pounced on this from day one of even week one, we could possibly have answers today. This should have been treated as a suspicious disappearance from the get go, especially considering Tammy's frantic phone calls to her aunt (which, to be fair, were not known until her aunt returned from vacation a few days later).

May I ask how you know for a fact that police didn't follow up for more than a week?

Because I called them after I saw the story on the news the following Monday. Then again when I got stationed at Patrick Air Force Base in the spring of 1985. I was there on July 6th, 1983 and saw her on A1A across from the gas station while I was getting gasoline for my trip back to Orlando.

Oh brother. Yep, he's a nut.

Just start answering all his posts by quoting ancient philosophers and throwing in some latin. ("Sic gorgiamos allos subjectatos nunc" in nonsensical fake latin that is the Addams Family motto. It means, "We gladly feast on those who would subdue us." And it's kinda fitting, since that guy is trying to be king of that message board and subdue the normal members there.)

After that, switch to asian influences and maybe go to ichingonline.net and ask it a few questions. Then post the answers to him as if they have some real meaning to the conversation.

Here's what I got after I asked the I-ching "is she alive?" and throwing the coins. (btw, I don't believe in this stuff, but if it's useful for messing with the troll's head, go for it. lol)

The I-ching told me:

A Prince who shouts orders but will not walk among his people may as well try to command the four winds.

A playful Zephyr dances and delights beneath indulgent Heaven and a strong, addictive temptation, is much more dangerous than it seems. (in latin: tentatio est plus periculosus = temptation is very hazardous)

We gladly feast upon those who would subdue us

Because I called them after I saw the story on the news the following Monday. Then again when I got stationed at Patrick Air Force Base in the spring of 1985. I was there on July 6th, 1983 and saw her on A1A across from the gas station while I was getting gasoline for my trip back to Orlando.
Wow, that's crazy. And very good of you to call the police. It's too bad that they didn't follow up :(

Here we go again....

Well now that they found out who "Sharon Marshall" was this is probably one of my top "wish list" cases that I'd like to be solved.

Again? How so?

Well now that they found out who "Sharon Marshall" was this is probably one of my top "wish list" cases that I'd like to be solved.

This is nothing even remotely similar. Leppert was most likely killed by Keith Roberts. He was never properly investigated by the Cocoa Beach Police Investigator handling the case and he as well as later investigators who took over the case after his retirement have publicly stated so. He was evasive about his residence, age, and occupation. This man resided in Melbourne Florida as recently as 2009 (May still be there).

Calls to report what I observed on the date she went missing were ignored.

i believe the CBPD just thought she ran away and after they decided this they did not want to pursue it further.

This is nothing even remotely similar.

I don't think atomicfizz implied that it was, just that this one has now moved up on her 'Cases I'd Really Like to See Solved' list.

This is nothing even remotely similar. Leppert was most likely killed by Keith Roberts. He was never properly investigated by the Cocoa Beach Police Investigator handling the case and he as well as later investigators who took over the case after his retirement have publicly stated so. He was evasive about his residence, age, and occupation. This man resided in Melbourne Florida as recently as 2009 (May still be there).

Calls to report what I observed on the date she went missing were ignored.

i believe the CBPD just thought she ran away and after they decided this they did not want to pursue it further.

Who is Keith Roberts? What connection did he have with Tami?

Thank you Meg, you are correct. I don't think they are similar at all, just both cases I have been fascinated with and always hoped we'd eventually find answers for.

thedrstrangelove: I am sorry that you feel they didn't investigate this enough and they did not follow up on your lead. I hope you keep trying, eventually someone might be assigned to the case who is interested. Are you sure that they have not checked him out and somehow ruled him out?

eta: I googled and Keith Roberts is the last person to have seen Tammy alive. Is he the guy who supposedly dropped her off near the glass bank building?

I watched this segment again, and I thought it said that Rick Adams was the last person to see Tammy alive. Either way, I don't think the last man to see her alive was properly investigated. It's so easy to get into an argument, lose your temper, and cause someone harm. This is what Charlotte Pollis' mother thinks happened to Charlotte.

I watched this segment again, and I thought it said that Rick Adams was the last person to see Tammy alive. Either way, I don't think the last man to see her alive was properly investigated. It's so easy to get into an argument, lose your temper, and cause someone harm. This is what Charlotte Pollis' mother thinks happened to Charlotte.
Rick Adams was the friend interviewed in the segment, but not the one who dropped her off by the glass bank. That was another individual. If you look at some articles you'll see that the last time Rick and Tammy saw each other, they prayed together because she was so scared something was about to happen to her.

The man last seen with her was investigated, but I still find something hokey. We know for sure Tammy was dropped off near there (she left three voicemails on her aunt's answering machine from a nearby payphone) but that doesn't mean that the man last seen with her couldn't have picked her back up. I think Tammy was murdered either the man she was afraid of or by another predator. Christopher Wilder was in the area, after all.

Has no one come forward about this party?? If the party is the place something crazy happened, seems like at least 1 person would have said something. I do understand fear, but after all these years..

One of the weirder cases UM ever profiled.

Has no one come forward about this party?? If the party is the place something crazy happened, seems like at least 1 person would have said something. I do understand fear, but after all these years..

It might not have been something that happened at the party specifically. She was out of town for that party, unchaperoned for the entire weekend at just 17 years of age. If she saw something that scared her, it could have been at any point over the course of those two days.

According to the segment, she came back a different person and was never the same again. But I've never read of any police investigations or interviews with people she associated with that weekend to get a clearer picture of what might have happened. That was when all the paranoia started.

It might not have been something that happened at the party specifically. She was out of town for that party, unchaperoned for the entire weekend at just 17 years of age. If she saw something that scared her, it could have been at any point over the course of those two days.

According to the segment, she came back a different person and was never the same again. But I've never read of any police investigations or interviews with people she associated with that weekend to get a clearer picture of what might have happened. That was when all the paranoia started.

True, thanks for the response. It could have been a one on one thing at a hotel room or wherever she was staying.

The contents of the voicemails she left on the aunts machine should say something about her state at the time. I think someone who was exhibiting such paranoia during that time would be emphatic about being scared and needing help.

I have been following this case for a little over 10 years now, and after all I have seen, I have come to believe that Tammy was not a victim of foul play on July 6th, and that it is far more likely that she went into hiding. Some of the main tenants that have led me to feel confident on this conclusion are the following:

1.) Tammy had been very upset for a while leading up to this, including mentioning being a witness to some very disturbing illegal activity. This eventually leads up to her being put in a psych ward for 72 hours.

2.) Right before she disappears she specifically tells a friend that she is going to be going away for a while.

3.) Then she does disappear, and does so on July 6th. Her mother did not even report and fill out a missing persons report until July 11th. This strikes me as very peculiar, especially since the daughter had recently had mental issues, and was last in the company of someone that she was supposedly so afraid of according to the mother.

4.) Tim Rue unfortunately comes off as crazy, with words not so seasoned with salt. However, if you peel away that craziness, you begin to notice that some things he has said he has never wavered on, which includes him quoting Wing or Linda during the disappearing time. For instance, he stated that he suggested they post a missing person's notice in the newspaper offering reward money for any info in helping find her. He states that Wing quickly got upset with him and said "Are you trying to get her killed? Do you like having sex with dead people?" Another incident, he over hears Linda and Wing talking and heard them talk about if they thought he (Tim) would risk Tammy's life. Just from these quotes alone, it does not make sense with the scenario of a missing endangered girl who might be dead. Makes more sense for a girl that is in hiding who's life might be in danger if she gets exposed.

5.) Another person earlier on (in 2009) made a very valid point, in pointing out how this family is not united in these search efforts, in fact, Suzanne being the only one that has made any kind of active effort. From what I have observed over the past 10 years, I notice this to be true as well. When it comes to the immediate family that grew up with Tammy, they are quiet as church mice, and there is nothing from them at all that shows any active search effort. They won't even show up to interact in any of her threads, or even correct Tim when he makes his wild claims about running away to be a prostitute. But to me this is significant because I have never heard of a family who has a loved one feared dead out there, not even lifting much of a finger, where the adopted child is the one being so proactive instead. It's bizarre. Apparently, Suzanne noticed this to and it had bothered her as you will see below.

6.) Then there is Suzanne's own words to letters to Tim back in 2002. She mentions some very odd details that she encountered during her searches for Tammy, especially when it came to dealing with Tammy's immediate family members. Note the following from Suzanne herself: "Why does Lindas' stories keep changing? Why do the police reports keep changing? Why does the information in the N.C.I.C. keep changing? Why does Tammy have three social security numbers? It seems as though everybody is hiding something, and everybody is hiding something different. " AND ALSO...."
I've had to scratch and pester everyone to get any information at all on
Tammy. I've decided that either no one cares about what happened to Tammy, or everyone is hiding something.....The first time that I heard about Tammy, a few family members felt that Linda, her mother, killed her and buried her in the back yard at the house in Rockledge. The N.C.I.C. on Tammy is not showing up her social security number, it's someone else's', and her dental records have changed twice, from Cocoa Beach P.D. Linda did not tell the truth about anything on Tammy and would not give the police anything, no personal belongings of Tammys' to help identify her.....If they were telling the truth, why did they lie and tell stories like this. People are hiding something and they don't care..... The Curtis family all acted fine with me until I brought up the subject of Tammy. Whenever I mentioned her name everyone acted paranoid. It's like they either know, or are hiding something. It's a big family secret. I cannot be a part of a family that knows something about Tammy but won't say anything." (The original full contents of these letters can be found here https://groups.google.com/forum/#!msg/alt.true-crime/cCUORA-dwhA/KT8QYTO_OIcJ)

Although Suzanne insists that she feels Tammy is dead, she was definitely onto something there, and it's not something you typically see with a family that is concerned about a loved one being in a shallow grave out there. Between the changed stories, the weird behavior from them when Tammy is mentioned, the multiple social security numbers, and so forth, these kinds of behavior are more of a hallmark for someone who is in hiding, most likely someone who made arrangements with a witness protection program. When you actually look at the entire picture, including leading up to the disappearance, witness protection is what makes full sense out of the entire context.

In the end, I really hope Suzanne gets her answers, she really deserves this, as she's looked long and hard long enough.

This has probably been discussed in the multiple other threads about Tami, but I really don't have the time to look it up right now. My opinions have more to do with Tami's home life than her actual disappearance. Some of my opinions I'm going to discuss probably won't be very popular or nice, but here it goes.

I always wanted to know more about the actual relationship between Tami and her mother Linda. Linda stated that Tami always pushed herself to win these pageants and was very driven. But the segment stated that Tami was only four when she was entered in her first competition. That's 14 out of her 18 years spent on the pageant circuit. It's very unlikely that Tami knew any other way of life except that of a beauty queen/model. So I think she was probably pushed by her mother to be the best at everything rather than always pushing herself to win.

When Tami got older and began to understand that this life of photoshoots and auditions was not typical of other girls her age (assuming she ever realized this at all), did it lead to tension between her and her mother? I just find it hard to believe that Tami was just this happy and bubbly teenager who went to a party and came back disturbed. I don't know what happened at this party, but I have a feeling that tensions may have been brewing between Linda and Tami long before that.

The more I've watched this segment, the more I see Linda Curtis as a pageant mom living through her daughter. Her saying that Tami "pushed herself" when she had been in pageants since age four is outrageous. And some of those modeling pics of Tami shown in the segment were rather inappropriate for a teen girl. And I've ALWAYS believed that Wing Flanagan knew more than he let on.

Given all that I have looked into for such a long time, I am much inclined to agree with Unsolved88 about the home life. It seems the indoctrination in this modeling/pageant lifestyle started so early, that Tammy never stood much of a chance to sprout into a being independent from whatever her mother wanted her to be. Now I don't think this is why she left, as I already stated my reasons for why, and how I think she left, but this does suggest to me that being mentally troubled is unlikely something that happened over night.

Given all that I have looked into for such a long time, I am much inclined to agree with Unsolved88 about the home life. It seems the indoctrination in this modeling/pageant lifestyle started so early, that Tammy never stood much of a chance to sprout into a being independent from whatever her mother wanted her to be. Now I don't think this is why she left, as I already stated my reasons for why, and how I think she left, but this does suggest to me that being mentally troubled is unlikely something that happened over night.

When RS said that Tami won 280 out of the 300 pageants she competed in, I'm kind of curious as to how Linda reacted to the 20 she lost. Based on what I've been reading up on, I find it hard to believe she simply took it on the chin and didn't rub Tami's nose in it.

I was just thinking about the scene where Tami apparently has a psychotic episode and takes a baseball bat to the window and it made me wonder. Did the neighbors ever see or hear anything unusual? What were the Lepperts like as neighbors? Were they the type to invite neighbors over for coffee or dinner or were they the odd, reclusive type? Did anyone ever notice any tension between Linda and Tami? Did Tami in particular have any friends in the neighborhood that she played with as a child or hung out with that she might have confided in, other than her remarks to Rick Adams?

I ask because it seems like a vast majority of the info in the segment comes from Linda. I'd be interested to know what, if anything, the neighbors observed as outsiders. Like I said, I don't believe Linda and Tami had a healthy relationship and it may have showed. And if Tami was showing signs of mental problems such as when she broke the window, it would have been hard to keep such erratic behavior under wraps for long.

Whether or not Linda Curtis was one of those psychotic stage moms you see on TV all the time these days, we'll never really know. But I get the feeling that Tammy's beauty pageant days were probably coming to an end around the time of her disappearance anyway. Her upcoming six month trip to California was for acting auditions. And half a year away from pageants was probably the longest break from that lifestyle since she started competing at age 4.

On top of everything else during that final year, Tammy was growing very discouraged that her acting career had not yet taken off. Every role she had gotten to that point were bit parts in movies where she would make an appearance and never say more than one line. I never got the creepy foretelling feeling from Tammy telling Rick Adams that she was going to go away for a while...because she was! To California for six months.

There are some interesting quotes from Tammy in an article featured on her from April 24, 1980 - three years before her disappearance - that dwell on what we're talking about here...

"It'll take a while but I want to win an Academy Award and meet people like Burt Reynolds and Lee Majors. Acting. It's in my blood. I've always wanted people to watch me and love to have my picture taken."

And even more telling...

"I don't want to do too much more modeling. For some reason, people look down on models and beauty queens. I've found out who I am through those experiences. I think I have the talent to go on to bigger and better things."

Sounds to me that she looked at the beauty pageant thing, and the celebrity status that came with it, as her opportunity to break into the acting world. So even though she might not have been as happy about doing the pageant circuit, it was worth it to get her foot in the door of Hollywood.

That's why I don't get the sense that she was running away to hide from her mother. I really think she came across foul play. Hitchhiking wasn't looked at as dangerous in the early 80's as it is today and I feel the wrong person might have picked her up and done away with her.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1696&dat=19800424&id=L_4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BJgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6685,4631116&hl=en

I never got the creepy foretelling feeling from Tammy telling Rick Adams that she was going to go away for a while...because she was! To California for six months. You found nothing creepy or strange about her distraught mannerisms with Rick, her crying inconsoluble to him, while telling him that she thinks someone is trying to kill her, and that she "seen something she shouldn't have seen" all in the same time she told him she was going away for a while? Well I do, as given the context she said she was going away for a while, it looks more like a get out of danger type of going away, rather than some hopeful excited girl, joyfully planning a trip to CA to pursue acting career.


That's why I don't get the sense that she was running away to hide from her mother. I really think she came across foul play. Hitchhiking wasn't looked at as dangerous in the early 80's as it is today and I feel the wrong person might have picked her up and done away with her.
I don't believe she was hiding from mom either, regardless of their relations. I think Mom knew exactly what was going on, to be honest. Why else did mom decide not to report her missing for about 5 days, even though mom thought she was afraid of the guy she was last seen with, and had just gotten out of a psych ward? Why would mom refuse an offer to feature her missing with reward money for information, or Wing say the strange stuff he did to someone when it was suggested? What's up with the multiple SSI numbers, and the changes in stories or the strange manner her family who knew her acted when her adopted out sister started asking about her? The family's lack of participation in on going searches? The list goes on and on. As I said, I have been looking at this case for a very long time and the witness protection type of program is what makes the most sense out of all the strangeness surrounding the case.

I ask because it seems like a vast majority of the info in the segment comes from Linda. I'd be interested to know what, if anything, the neighbors observed as outsiders. Like I said, I don't believe Linda and Tami had a healthy relationship and it may have showed. And if Tami was showing signs of mental problems such as when she broke the window, it would have been hard to keep such erratic behavior under wraps for long.Exactly! Linda is the big source of all that, and yet Suzanne, as she explained in a letter in 2002 found Linda to be rather dishonest "from Cocoa Beach P.D. Linda did not tell the truth about anything on Tammy and would not give the police anything, no personal belongings of Tammys' to help identify her"

The more I've watched this segment, the more I see Linda Curtis as a pageant mom living through her daughter. Her saying that Tami "pushed herself" when she had been in pageants since age four is outrageous. And some of those modeling pics of Tami shown in the segment were rather inappropriate for a teen girl. And I've ALWAYS believed that Wing Flanagan knew more than he let on.

I agreed with your whole post, especially this part. Tammy's home life seemed....quite interesting, to say the least. I always got the vibe -- and this is total speculation -- that Tammy's mother was....potentially...NOT the type to be like, "you know, that's not really appropriate for a girl her age, no thank you" re: offers that may have been made re: Tammy.

I always thought it was possible Tammy may have been exposed to things too "adult" for her and hence the mental instability and such.

As far as her actual disappearance, I thought she was (and this really narrows it down) either abducted by Wilder, harmed by her "friend" who dropped her off or abducted by a random psycho after being dropped off.

In all 3 scenarios, though, I think her mental instability (that may very well have resulted from a far-too-adult upbringing) put her in a very vulnerable spot.

I found these interesting posts on a reddit thread for Tammy:

I read on another board that Wing Flannagan was her Mother's partner. Also a post from her sister asking that people don't forget this case. The sister added that Tammy/Tammi may have been 3 months pregnant. Which would seem to be a somewhat important issue considering the circumstances.

Someone replied:

I did some beauty pageants when I was a kid and took "classes", for lack of a better descriptor, at Linda's house. She had pictures of Tammy and her trophies all over the house and mentioned her often. I'm not sure Wing was her partner in the romantic sense, but I do remember him giving me the creeps as a kid. I have always wondered if he was involved somehow. I wonder if he is still alive?

Someone else replied:

I read...though I'm not sure where...that he did become her partner at some point. It's very interesting that he gave you the creeps though....instinct has an important role in keeping children safe. We've all met that on neighbour I'm sure...the one that you just didn't want to be around growing up. The only thing that made me think about him as a suspect was the statistics of missing kids...more times than not it's someone close.

More interesting info. gleaned from the 'net:

From the unsolved.com website: (I don't remember this from the UM episode, but apparently it's taken from the segment?)

According to Detective Skragg, it was the last time Tami Lynn would be seen alive:

"She disappeared without a trace. We talked to some of her close friends. They felt strongly that Tami was having problems at home and...she wanted to leave home."

A comment on the Unsolved.com site:

The thing about her being dropped off 5 miles is way off. It is nearly 15 miles and two inter-coastal waterway bridges away from Rockledge. I'm from Orlando and was at the Beach that day. I actually spoke with Tammy and the guy she was with on the beach near Ron Jon's Surf Shop. There were 4 or five others there and we chatted a bit about how poor the waves were that day. They said they were leaving and walked off toward where I assumed they parked. About a half hour later, I decided to leave and fueled up at the Exxon Station right by the Glass Bank Building and saw her hitching north, which would be the way for her to get home. When I went in to pay she was right in front of the station on A1A. When I came out less than 2 minutes later a Blue Maverick 4 door was pulling off of the side of the road heading north and she was gone. It was close but not close enough to see a passenger in the car. I thought nothing of it until I saw the report on the local news a few days later. I called the Cocoa beach police to inform them. A detective asked me a few questions, took my name and contact information and never heard back from them. In the fall of 1984 I enlisted in the Air Force and ended up stationed at Patrick AFB just south of Cocoa Beach in January of 1985. That summer there was a story in the Florida Today about Tammy near the 2 year anniversary of her going missing and I again contacted the police. I spoke to the same detective and he barely remembered my first call to him. It shows you how much interest the cops had in this matter.

One thing I found tough to believe about this case: Tammy's mom noted that on the day Tammy disappeared, she wasn't paying close attention to what Tammy was doing that day.

I know this is speculative but Linda Curtis seemed like a rather controlling, shrewd woman. I don't really see her puttering around the house and not noticing her prized child leaving the home to do lord-knows-what.

Just a random thought.

One thing I found tough to believe about this case: Tammy's mom noted that on the day Tammy disappeared, she wasn't paying close attention to what Tammy was doing that day.

I know this is speculative but Linda Curtis seemed like a rather controlling, shrewd woman. I don't really see her puttering around the house and not noticing her prized child leaving the home to do lord-knows-what.

Just a random thought.

Yeah, I always found that odd. On the day her daughter — who she believes is mentally ill — leaves the house never to be seen again, Linda is totally preoccupied. The segment shows her on the phone and I've always wondered if she was trying to secure another modeling/acting gig for Tami.

I've also felt the same way about Linda possibly not being willing to say no to certain gigs for Tami based on age-appropriateness. Again, speculation, but I have a feeling that if Tami ever mentioned to her mother that certain photo sessions or outfits made her uncomfortable, Linda may have guilted or browbeat Tami into doing it. I'm thinking of these two photos in particular which have always struck me as too mature for an underage teen girl.

http://crimeshots.com/TLL4.jpg
http://www.geocities.ws/findtammy/bathingsuit.jpg

I think I read that she was only 13 or 14 in those photos.

It was close but not close enough to see a passenger in the car. I thought nothing of it until I saw the report on the local news a few days later. There is a problem with this. Tammy went missing on July 6, and the missing person's report was not done until July 11, which is 5 days later. On the 12th, there was a newspaper article on it by Hanna Lea Skolnick. So this took longer than a few days to even be on record at the police station, never mind in a news paper.
I know this is speculative but Linda Curtis seemed like a rather controlling, shrewd woman. I don't really see her puttering around the house and not noticing her prized child leaving the home to do lord-knows-what. I actually find this to be more observant than speculative. I mean, she may have genuinely been distracted when Tammy left, however, there is no way I can possibly wrap my head around the fact that such a woman took so long with a missing person's report about her own daughter who: A) Claimed to see her daughter leave with the man her daughter feared so much. B.) Had just had her daughter committed to a psych ward for some kind of break down. C.) Stated that her daughter kept talking about someone trying to kill her. (also confirmed by Rick Adams) D. Stated that her daughter claimed to see something she shouldn't have, in fact drugs and money laundering mentioned, allegedly implicating big wigs in FL. (Rick Adams at least confirms that Tammy had stated to him she saw something she shouldn't have, and was an emotional mess the night before the disappearance.) E. Who claims her daughter showed signs of acute paranoia and was afraid to leave the house, or even eat from her plate much of the time. It doesn't even seem possible. What mother, especially a domineering one, would NOT be frantic at the police station that very same night? When my brother went missing, I was at the police station in less than 24 hours filling out a missing person's report so that even though he was an adult, they could actively keep an eye out and contact me if seeing anything about him; and I had less of a reason to believe that he could be out there in trouble in the world than Linda would have had about Tammy. (Four days later my brother did turn up alive and well.) In 2013, I had a friend I went to college with, who wound up missing in the middle of the night on December 8th, who was 50 years old at the time and suffered from PTSD and acute paranoia. The fact that she had these mental illnesses, and the oddity about her disappearance caused the police to immediately act on it, out search the woods and area for her. She is still missing.

Back to Tammy, when you look at how most mothers or loved ones would act like, and how police act when mitigating circumstances are involved that elude to an adult being in potential danger, how everyone actually acted in this case seems quite ludicrous.

Now in the article on July 12, 1983 detective Bartman says "Lt. David Bartman of the Cocoa Beach Police Department said his officers' task was made more difficult by the delayed report and by the fact that Leppert, who recently turned 18, is legally an adult. " The fact that she was an adult would have been irrelevant based all the things Linda stated, or even Rick. What's weird is Linda's actual police report that was filled out, she mentions the mental problems, and the recent psych ward stay but says absolutely nothing about Tammy stating someone is trying to kill her, or that Tammy claims she saw something she should not have; illegal activity like money laundering or drugs involved. Another thing she does not mention in the report is Tammy being afraid of the man she drove away with. You'd think you would make sure the police knew of all this first and fore most when you haven't seen your daughter in 5 days. Very odd, don't you think?

I totally agree Oceanus, I think the mom's delay in reporting seems outrageous given the circumstances. Wouldn't you start to freak out if your emotionally precarious daughter wasn't home by like, that very afternoon she disappeared?

Does anyone know if the UM segment -- or a news article -- mentions what Linda was doing the day Tammy went missing (and the few days before she finally made a missing persons report)?

I am also extremely curious as to why and how the local police seemed to clear the friend who dropped her off so quickly. Does this dude have a rock-solid alibi we just don't know about, or was this lazy police work?

An article about Wing Flanagan from 1982. Apparently, he was a 14-year-old film director. Linda Curtis is also quoted in it. Their quotes are....interesting, to say the least.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19820913&id=0tktAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FFkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7086,3182523&hl=en

I totally agree Oceanus, I think the mom's delay in reporting seems outrageous given the circumstances. Wouldn't you start to freak out if your emotionally precarious daughter wasn't home by like, that very afternoon she disappeared? Right? It is totally bizarre, and inconsistent with the typical parent who fears something may have happened to their daughter; especially in context of all the mitigating factors. Also, given how domineering and controlling this mother appears. Only if the mother actually wasn't worried, or may know more than letting on, it might make better sense.
Does anyone know if the UM segment -- or a news article -- mentions what Linda was doing the day Tammy went missing (and the few days before she finally made a missing persons report)?That will probably always be a bit of a mystery unfortunately. Linda claims she spent that time calling Tammy's friends to look for her, but that should not have taken 5 days.
I am also extremely curious as to why and how the local police seemed to clear the friend who dropped her off so quickly. Does this dude have a rock-solid alibi we just don't know about, or was this lazy police work?It's neigh unlikely that Police would quickly clear a suspect, especially the person that was last seen with Tammy. To say they never considered him a suspect is a pretty bold statement too. Also, the police that have this old case now, are well within their rights to re-interview everyone, including Keith. A lot of old murder and missing person cases have been solved this way when new detectives have a case. Yet, they don't seem to be doing that either. So it seems they are aware of something that is not leaked out to the public either. If she was in something like a witness protection program this would actually make a lot of sense.

An article about Wing Flanagan from 1982. Apparently, he was a 14-year-old film director. Linda Curtis is also quoted in it. Their quotes are....interesting, to say the least.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=950&dat=19820913&id=0tktAAAAIBAJ&sjid=FFkDAAAAIBAJ&pg=7086,3182523&hl=enGeez, interesting to say the least; especially the part where Linda talks about how 14 year old Wing "likes being cuddled to sleep". The part where he claims he changed his name from John to Wing at age 2 is silly. I call nonsense on that for obvious reasons. :lol:

Geez, interesting to say the least; especially the part where Linda talks about how 14 year old Wing "likes being cuddled to sleep". The part where he claims he changed his name from John to Wing at age 2 is silly. I call nonsense on that for obvious reasons. :lol:

He sounded like quite a character in that interview.

Geez, interesting to say the least; especially the part where Linda talks about how 14 year old Wing "likes being cuddled to sleep". The part where he claims he changed his name from John to Wing at age 2 is silly. I call nonsense on that for obvious reasons. :lol:

Yes, my BS monitor went off the charts with the name thing. No two-year-old decides to change their name. It sounds more like a teenage "I want to be different" kind of phase.

Linda talking about the cuddling is kind of...just...ew! She's not his mother or anything. Who the hell would say that in an interview about one of their clients?
Did she have no filter that day?

Wow...in addition to being over-the-top hilarious, that article (to me) showed some interesting elements of Linda's and Wing's relationship (there is another news article which referred to an adult Wing as Linda's "longtime partner"....I will find it and link in a moment).

Anyway, I found it interesting that an adult woman would mention a 14-year-old boy being "cuddled to sleep" (by whom??!! Imagine if the genders were reversed!). Also interesting that Linda said she took one look at Wing and knew she wouldn't treat him like a child....even though he was a child....very interesting.

Just for the record, I don't think Linda and Wing did anything to make Tammy disappear, I just think Tammy's home environment potentially exposed her to things highly inappropriate for a teenager and thus may have contributed, in various ways, to putting Tammy in harm's way.

The infamous "longtime partner" comment:

http://z13.invisionfree.com/PorchlightUSA/ar/t1730.htm

MOTHER DIES WITHOUT AN ANSWER TO MYSTERY OF MISSING DAUGHTER
by Billy Cox
Florida Today
Oct 5, 1995

Modeling Agent, Linda Curtis, died early Wednesday morning without resolving her greatest sorrow -- the fate of her daughter.

Curtis, 54, passed away at Florida Hospital in Orlando, following a blood infection she contracted over the weekend. She had been diagnosed as terminally ill months ago from kidney and liver failure.

"We kept her going through artificial means for as long as we could. Those were her wishes," said photographer Wing Flanagan, her longtime partner, "Her heart just gave out."

A Cocoa native, Curtis attained nationsl prominence in the 1980s for coaching so many girls to victory in beauty pageants. In 1983, however, her life turned upside down with the disappearance of her 18-year0old daughter, Tami Lynn Leppert.

Leppert, a model and aspiring actress, vanished without a trace from Cocoa Beach, where she was last seen near the Glass Bank. Curtis moved to Orlando shortly thereafter.

"Unsolved Mysteries" solicited leads nationwide in 1992, but repeated showings of the Leppert episode produced dead ends. Curtis made a final public appeal for help in Florida Today three weeks ago.

Funeral arrangements were not available Wednesday.

Another thing that confuses me about Linda Curtis: At one point, she filed suit against the estate of Christopher Wilder. However, in one article she seems almost adamant that it was the "money laundering conspiracy amongst local bigwigs" that did Tammy in. Well, which was it? The serial killer targeting models or the money laundering operation? She has also pointed the finger @ Keith (the friend who dropped Tammy off).

Also, I'm confused: why, exactly, would a money laundering operation involving local bigwigs want to kill a 18-year-old girl? For what? Did they think she was going to blow the lid off the whole operation? She wasn't a journalist or a private investigator...Why would a teenager even care about that stuff? (If I was 18 and someone told me local influential people were money laundering, I'd be like, umm ok? What's that? Who cares?!)

I agree that article is quite telling, especially where she says Wing is like a 60 year old trapped in a 14 year old body kind of statement. Makes me think she had something for him.
Also, I'm confused: why, exactly, would a money laundering operation involving local bigwigs want to kill a 18-year-old girl? For what? Did they think she was going to blow the lid off the whole operation? She wasn't a journalist or a private investigator...Why would a teenager even care about that stuff? (If I was 18 and someone told me local influential people were money laundering, I'd be like, umm ok? What's that? Who cares?!) It could be, they felt she could, at some point wind up on the witness stand against them, and they might want to kill her if she saw something like this, in order to prevent that from ever happening.

Another thing that confuses me about Linda Curtis: At one point, she filed suit against the estate of Christopher Wilder. However, in one article she seems almost adamant that it was the "money laundering conspiracy amongst local bigwigs" that did Tammy in. Well, which was it? The serial killer targeting models or the money laundering operation? She has also pointed the finger @ Keith (the friend who dropped Tammy off).


I totally forgot about the suit against Wilder's estate. Like you said, which is it? Was she just changing her theories when it suited her? FWIW, I don't believe there was ever any actual evidence that Wilder killed Tami other than the fact that he was in the area in the early 1980s.

I also want to know more about Tami and Wing's relationship. Did they get along? Wing says in the segment that they basically got along like brother and sister. But again, like Linda, I don't know if I totally buy his version of events. Based on the article, I could kind of see Wing (who was 60 in a 14-year-old body :rolleyes: ) acting like a male Linda in terms of trying to boss Tami around and give her career advice. I wonder if something like that happened. Either way, this whole family dynamic appears to be far more dysfunctional than Linda, Wing, and UM would have us believe.

Funny thing is, I just was googling "Wing Flanagan" and found a YouTube video on the premiere of his new (and first) film "Kanashimi" from 2015. This was his first film and was in 2015, yet in that article, from 1982, he said he wanted to move on to films very shortly. Funny and interesting stuff. If you google that video you can actually see him talking quite a bit, sounds exactly the same, but looks quite a bit different.

Funny thing is, I just was googling "Wing Flanagan" and found a YouTube video on the premiere of his new (and first) film "Kanashimi" from 2015. This was his first film and was in 2015, yet in that article, from 1982, he said he wanted to move on to films very shortly. Funny and interesting stuff. If you google that video you can actually see him talking quite a bit, sounds exactly the same, but looks quite a bit different.I think I may have seen it when I googled him to see how he made out as a director. Not so much from what I see.

I am also wondering why Linda and Tami were supposedly living @ Wing's parent's house in Rockledge (the UM segment makes it seem like it was Linda's home, and Wing was staying there...however back in this thread someone mentions Linda and Tami were actually staying with Wing and his parents...I wonder why)?

As a child agent, I'm surprised Linda wasn't living somewhere like Orlando, Miami, Ft. Lauderdale, etc. (I know she moved to Orlando later, but why was she staying in Rockledge in the early 80s?)

^^^ Yes, another weird thing, there was not even so much as a peep out of Wing's parents about Tammy, or what they think happened, or anything about them witnessing the alleged craziness that Tammy was supposedly doing in their home.

I also think its likely she would have told someone at some point Who's to say she did not? Just because no one went public with it, doesn't mean that people have not been in touch with her. Wing and Linda suggested things that appear like they certainly knew what was going on. For all we know she even testified on the stand about somethingshe saw, and it was kept out of the public for witness protection reasons.
If the premise is that she was stalked and killed by those criminals she saw prior, and that she died the day she went missing. Not likely, considering that she made a phone call to her sister's house a couple weeks later, and had also been spotted various times, including someone that knew her, 4 months later when they both made eye contact with each other.
I think its also highly unlikely, had she been still living right now, that she wouldn't have long ago spilled the info about who and what she say that day that spooked her. And the fact she was a teenager only heightens this fact. She was just a kid. I think she would have told someone soon about what happened.I guess what I said above applies here too.

I also think its likely she would have told someone at some point. If the premise is that she was stalked and killed by those criminals she saw prior, and that she died the day she went missing. I think its also highly unlikely, had she been still living right now, that she wouldn't have long ago spilled the info about who and what she say that day that spooked her. And the fact she was a teenager only heightens this fact. She was just a kid. I think she would have told someone soon about what happened.


almost everyone spills the beans to someone sooner or later. it is a basic facet of human nature. that's why actual conspiracies are much rarer than we seem to think and when someone disappears and there is no peep, they are probably dead. two students kill a little girl in VA and both spill the beans on each other. if more than one person is involved, one will almost assuredly spill.

To me, the money laundering cabal-turned-murderers sounds too outlandish to be true -- then again, this WAS Florida in the 80s. Drug money was rampant and money laundering schemes were not exactly uncommon. I just don't know.

Things I want to know about this case:

-What, specifically, did Tami say in the phone messages to her aunt? (Were these ever made public?)

-What, specifically, was in Linda's supposed book about the money laundering conspiracy? (Or was the proposed book just blustering on Linda's part?)

-What, specifically, led police to believe the guy who dropped Tami off was not a viable suspect?

-Why did Tami's friends believe she was having problems at home? What did Tami confide to them re: her home life?

-Why were Tami and Linda supposedly living with Wing Flanagan's family in Rockledge in the early 80s?

-What was in the report Tami supposedly made to police re: the money laundering conspiracy?

To me, the money laundering cabal-turned-murderers sounds too outlandish to be true -- then again, this WAS Florida in the 80s. Drug money was rampant and money laundering schemes were not exactly uncommon. I just don't know. It's not all that outlandish when you thinking about the total context of this case. Apparently, this all involved a party she was at during the scarface production. Think about whom might be at this party, and what someone might walk into. Also, she specifically told Rick she saw something she shouldn't have and he states he observed her to be scared to death about it, and she stated in a very distraught tearful manner that she was going away for a while. Then you have Linda insisting that Tammy went to the police about it, the police admit to recalling her showing up, but deny it was about this, which would be expected if they wanted to preserve her safety. Then you got Wing reacting in a strange way when a friend suggested they put up monetary reward in the paper to help find her. "Are you trying to get her killed?" is what he said. He knew she wasn't already dead some where because.....why?

You have Linda waiting to official do a missing person's report and police being pretty relaxed about it all, as if they already knew and this might have been red tape process to make her appear missing and endangered. Also, she omits the whole thing about Tammy thinking someone was out to kill her or seeing things she should not have on the report, which seems far too important to omit. Why? Could it be the police were already aware of this in the first place?

Then she has several SSI numbers that were not her SSI numbers. When people have SSI numbers that differ from their birth one, they are hiding their identity, typically to take on a new one. People may do this for safety reasons or for fraud usually, and I doubt she was involved with Fraud, this is actually more consistent with the whole "I saw something I should not have" thing that she told Rick.

Been reading through all of these speculations and think that Tami's statements about "seeing something she shouldn't have" is a pretty reasonable line of inquisition and likely something that didn't get explored either due to local politics-- like the involvement of local politicians or "local bigwigs" as suggested by some of the previous posts.

Considering the caliber of film that she was working on "Spring Break" was aimed towards the party crowd, and certainly would draw a number of these sorts of "fast-life" sorts of people. Say what you will about Hollywood, but in personal experience knowing a number of actors, drug use and possession is not uncommon, and especially in the 1980s at the height of the cocaine era.

I'm betting Tami witnessed some sort of cocaine or related drug trafficking deal, of a fairly sizable proportion with a significant amount of funds and either disappeared of her own accord for her safety or fell victim to foul play.

The strained relations with her family, and the fact that she was exposed to a very "adult" lifestyle at a fairly young age may indicate that she was either more savvy than she let on and knew that something was going to cause her serious harm...

This line of logic, that local corruption has lead to a disinterest in her case seems supported by the fact that police were either unwilling or lacking interest to follow up with the eyewitness report of her spotted at the Exxon gas station, in the Cocoa Beach area, even though the tip was phoned in shortly after the report was filed... there could be multiple reasons for this, either the wish for the whole situation to 'go away' so as to not damage tourism in the area, or to not involve any "bigwigs" in any messy local politics.

In any case, this whole situation is pretty baffling, and frankly I'm surprised there have been so few updates surrounding this particular case...

To me, the money laundering cabal-turned-murderers sounds too outlandish to be true -- then again, this WAS Florida in the 80s. Drug money was rampant and money laundering schemes were not exactly uncommon. I just don't know.

Things I want to know about this case:

-What, specifically, did Tami say in the phone messages to her aunt? (Were these ever made public?)


-What, specifically, was in Linda's supposed book about the money laundering conspiracy? (Or was the proposed book just blustering on Linda's part?)

-What, specifically, led police to believe the guy who dropped Tami off was not a viable suspect?

-Why did Tami's friends believe she was having problems at home? What did Tami confide to them re: her home life?

-Why were Tami and Linda supposedly living with Wing Flanagan's family in Rockledge in the early 80s?


-What was in the report Tami supposedly made to police re: the money laundering conspiracy?

She never made one she just asked about a missing purse or wallet.


All that is known on the phone calls is her Aunt worked nere buy and Tami left three frantic phone messages on her work answering machine giving her location and wanting a ride. The Aunt was out of town when the phone calls were made



I wonder what Tami and that guy who dropped her off were fighting about?


Linda left her husband an other two kids for Tami's career. She has said her husband made her chose between them. Which is why they lived with Flannigans. Linda has said Wing was he photographer at one time.

Still believe a psychotic break is the explanation for the behavior...not what happened to her though. She really was at the right age and the behavior fits a diagnosis such bipolar with psychotic features or schizophrenia. She never really got an eval so I can't say for sure but it really seems to be the most likely reason for her behavior.

Still believe a psychotic break is the explanation for the behavior...not what happened to her though. She really was at the right age and the behavior fits a diagnosis such bipolar with psychotic features or schizophrenia. She never really got an eval so I can't say for sure but it really seems to be the most likely reason for her behavior.Before the missing thing, she had been at a psych ward for 72 hours, so I think at least some form of evaluation was conducted.

In the segment, Tammy's mother says that prior to her disappearing, she made her mom promise to get even with "this person". Later in that same conversation, Tammy's mom mentioned "this person" as a "he". Clearly Tammy gave her a name and Tammy's mother was talking about someone specifically without using the name on television. My question is, has this persons name ever been disclosed? It seems like that would be the first person to investigate, which I'm sure it was.

Also, no chance in hell do I buy the story of that guy who said he dropped her off in the middle of nowhere. The first thing that came to mind was the Wendy Camp case where her ex in laws claimed they dropped her, her daughter and sister in law off at a Walmart, when in actuality, they murdered them and buried their bodies. I wonder if the person she left with, was the same person she told her mother to get even with?

In the segment, Tammy's mother says that prior to her disappearing, she made her mom promise to get even with "this person". Later in that same conversation, Tammy's mom mentioned "this person" as a "he". Clearly Tammy gave her a name and Tammy's mother was talking about someone specifically without using the name on television. My question is, has this persons name ever been disclosed? It seems like that would be the first person to investigate, which I'm sure it was.

Also, no chance in hell do I buy the story of that guy who said he dropped her off in the middle of nowhere. The first thing that came to mind was the Wendy Camp case where her ex in laws claimed they dropped her, her daughter and sister in law off at a Walmart, when in actuality, they murdered them and buried their bodies. I wonder if the person she left with, was the same person she told her mother to get even with?
I believe there is a possibility that Tammy's mother was referring to the man who picked her up the day she went missing. According to many sources the man who dropped off Tammy had been cleared by the police. Earlier in this thread someone had mentioned that Tammy got out the car, and used a payphone to call her aunt who owned a furniture store nearby. Her aunt didn't answer but she left a message and sounded frantic. This information is never mentioned in the segment, and it's suspicious she decided to leave a message, rather than try again or go to the store itself. Maybe Tammy was in a state of paranoia or anxiety and wasn't thinking straight. She could have been thinking someone was watching her, and sought refuge to the wrong person.

I believe there is a possibility that Tammy's mother was referring to the man who picked her up the day she went missing. According to many sources the man who dropped off Tammy had been cleared by the police. Earlier in this thread someone had mentioned that Tammy got out the car, and used a payphone to call her aunt who owned a furniture store nearby. Her aunt didn't answer but she left a message and sounded frantic. This information is never mentioned in the segment, and it's suspicious she decided to leave a message, rather than try again or go to the store itself. Maybe Tammy was in a state of paranoia or anxiety and wasn't thinking straight. She could have been thinking someone was watching her, and sought refuge to the wrong person.

She made three phone calls to the aunt who was, unfortunately, out of town.

For the longest time, I didn't believe the guy who said he kicked her out of the car and never saw her again. But the three phone calls she made were from a payphone outside a gas station that was less than half a block from the Glass Bank. And that lends credence to the guy's story that he kicked her out of the car where he claimed he did.

What happened to her after the third attempted phone call is anyone's guess. I'd think the most logical explanation would be that she tried to hitch a ride with someone since hitch hiking wasn't as taboo in 1983 as it is now, and whomever picked her up did away with her. But in her usual paranoid state, which was so bad that there were times she thought her own family members were trying to poison her, it seems unlikely that she would try to get in a car with a stranger. It's a bizarre headscractcher.

A tragic footnote in this case is if Tammy's aunt wasn't out of town that day and at her store, Tammy would probably have never disappeared.

Wow, that does make this even more suspicious now. It slipped my mind she was paranoid of her own family. Hitching a ride with a stranger seems so odd now... damn. I hope that people who she claimed were out to get her didn't actually show up. Then again, she wasn't even in the right sate of mind. Something had o have prevented her from going to the store.

I read this on unsolved.com, don't know how credible it is, but here goes:

"The thing about her being dropped off 5 miles is way off. It is nearly 15 miles and two inter-coastal waterway bridges away from Rockledge. I'm from Orlando and was at the Beach that day. I actually spoke with Tammy and the guy she was with on the beach near Ron Jon's Surf Shop. There were 4 or five others there and we chatted a bit about how poor the waves were that day. They said they were leaving and walked off toward where I assumed they parked. About a half hour later, I decided to leave and fueled up at the Exxon Station right by the Glass Bank Building and saw her hitching north, which would be the way for her to get home. When I went in to pay she was right in front of the station on A1A. When I came out less than 2 minutes later a Blue Maverick 4 door was pulling off of the side of the road heading north and she was gone. It was close but not close enough to see a passenger in the car. I thought nothing of it until I saw the report on the local news a few days later. I called the Cocoa beach police to inform them. A detective asked me a few questions, took my name and contact information and never heard back from them. In the fall of 1984 I enlisted in the Air Force and ended up stationed at Patrick AFB just south of Cocoa Beach in January of 1985. That summer there was a story in the Florida Today about Tammy near the 2 year anniversary of her going missing and I again contacted the police. I spoke to the same detective and he barely remembered my first call to him. It shows you how much interest the cops had in this matter"

That summer there was a story in the Florida Today about Tammy near the 2 year anniversary of her going missing and I again contacted the police. I spoke to the same detective and he barely remembered my first call to him. It shows you how much interest the cops had in this matter"

If true, that's sad.

One of my lurker friends recently came across a DVD collection that had "Spring Break" in it. I'm pretty sure he bought it *just* so he could see Tammy in it. :) He sent me some screenshots of her scene in the movie, along with an observation that if she were alive, she would have absolutely been found already because of how beautiful she was.

After seeing her in the movie, I have to agree with that observation. Her scene in the movie was minimal at best, but she just dominated the screen when she was on it and literally outshined everyone else around her. Mental illness aside, I think Tammy just attracted attention naturally, and this is what led to her demise.

In the segment, Tammy's mother says that prior to her disappearing, she made her mom promise to get even with "this person". Later in that same conversation, Tammy's mom mentioned "this person" as a "he". Clearly Tammy gave her a name and Tammy's mother was talking about someone specifically without using the name on television. My question is, has this persons name ever been disclosed? It seems like that would be the first person to investigate, which I'm sure it was.It has already been disclosed that the mother pointed out that "Keith" the man Tammy left with was who the mother says Tammy was afraid of. With that in mind, isn't it odd that mom waited 5 days before even reporting her missing? You see your child run off with someone that they are allegedly afraid of and don't return home, I don't see any parent of sound mind, with that scenario waiting 5 days before notifying police; no, they'd be at that station by early evening flipping out about it. It makes no sense at all.

Submitted by Mark (not verified) on Sun, 07/26/2015 - 14:54

The thing about her being dropped off 5 miles is way off. It is nearly 15 miles and two inter-coastal waterway bridges away from Rockledge. I'm from Orlando and was at the Beach that day. I actually spoke with Tammy and the guy she was with on the beach near Ron Jon's Surf Shop. There were 4 or five others there and we chatted a bit about how poor the waves were that day. They said they were leaving and walked off toward where I assumed they parked. About a half hour later, I decided to leave and fueled up at the Exxon Station right by the Glass Bank Building and saw her hitching north, which would be the way for her to get home. When I went in to pay she was right in front of the station on A1A. When I came out less than 2 minutes later a Blue Maverick 4 door was pulling off of the side of the road heading north and she was gone. It was close but not close enough to see a passenger in the car. I thought nothing of it until I saw the report on the local news a few days later. I called the Cocoa beach police to inform them. A detective asked me a few questions, took my name and contact information and never heard back from them. In the fall of 1984 I enlisted in the Air Force and ended up stationed at Patrick AFB just south of Cocoa Beach in January of 1985. That summer there was a story in the Florida Today about Tammy near the 2 year anniversary of her going missing and I again contacted the police. I spoke to the same detective and he barely remembered my first call to him. It shows you how much interest the cops had in this matter.

So she was hitchhiking?

For the longest time, I didn't believe the guy who said he kicked her out of the car and never saw her again. But the three phone calls she made were from a payphone outside a gas station that was less than half a block from the Glass Bank. And that lends credence to the guy's story that he kicked her out of the car where he claimed he did.

What happened to her after the third attempted phone call is anyone's guess. I'd think the most logical explanation would be that she tried to hitch a ride with someone since hitch hiking wasn't as taboo in 1983 as it is now, and whomever picked her up did away with her. But in her usual paranoid state, which was so bad that there were times she thought her own family members were trying to poison her, it seems unlikely that she would try to get in a car with a stranger. It's a bizarre headscractcher.


With that information, it's possible that Keith wasn't involved with her disappearance, but I can't imagine dropping off a woman 15 miles from her house. Tammy might not have been in the habit of hitch hiking, but she had just been ditched in another town, likely without the means to pay for a taxi. She may have been in such a fearful state due to mental illness that she took the risk of getting into a stranger's vehicle, rather than staying in that area.

I don't think she was mentally ill.

I think it wasn't a party that she went to - I think that was the first attempt for her to get the abortion. Something happened there or she saw something that really freaked her out, and she didn't go through with it. I think she was really conflicted between her career and those pressures and maybe didn't want to have the abortion. She maybe thought that she would die from the procedure.

I think she was worried about someone taking her against her will. Finally, she relented and agreed to go, which is when she left on that day. Now, if she went to a reputable clinic, the procedure would go smoothly with no complications. But who knows. Maybe she got out of the car herself and decided she couldn't go through with it.

At this point though, I'm stumped on what would have happened. Could she have just disappeared by choice? It would be interesting to see if there are any births recorded 6 months later. Maybe she couldn't go to a hospital and died in a home childbirth. If it wasn't publicized that she was pregnant, it would be easy for her to hide as no one would be looking for a pregnant girl - they'd be looking for a blonde bombshell.

Thoughts?

Even pregnant, I think Tammy would stand out in a crowd. Whatever that "it factor" is that makes people famous, she had it. I think she would have still had it at nine months pregnant and SOMEONE would have seen her.

Even pregnant, I think Tammy would stand out in a crowd. Whatever that "it factor" is that makes people famous, she had it. I think she would have still had it at nine months pregnant and SOMEONE would have seen her.

Yes. Especially with how young she was.

I just watched a video on YouTube that gave a history of the Glass Bank, the building where Tammy was dropped off at when she was last seen.

It's got a neat, short history. Plenty of pictures. By far, the most interesting stuff comes from the two story, windowless penthouse on top of the building that was added on about 20 years ago. Once you walked in the Fourier, you were greeted with a fake footbridge surrounded by a waterfall, rock and fake plants. A two story loft living room with a sunken couch and sunken spa. There was no door to the master bedroom. It was only accessible through a padded tunnel. The owner of the penthouse killed himself two years ago and the building has since been torn down.

Its about a building featured in a UM segment more than Tammy herself but still a cool video. If anyone wants to see it, type in 'Abandonned Glass Bank' into the forbidden site.

I didn't watch the video, but I have read some stuff about the Glass Bank (no doubt while I was looking up Tammy Leppart stuff) and the history really IS fascinating.

The pictures of the abandoned building before it was torn down was creepy as hell, if you ask me. This beautiful, interesting building with all those windows... just empty inside.

I watched the video last night. Frank Wolf, the man who built the condo on top, is kind of unsolved mystery unto himself. Definitely worth the watch.

I keep thinking,

If I got in a car with no shoes, it would before 1 reason. I know I am not going to be getting out and would be just to "talk"
Also if you drop someone off, with no shoes on the cement is going to be hot. The first thing I know I would do is get off the cement and call someone. More then likely a food place or store. So someone would remember the person that came in to use the phone with no shoes on.

I keep thinking,

If I got in a car with no shoes, it would before 1 reason. I know I am not going to be getting out and would be just to "talk"
Also if you drop someone off, with no shoes on the cement is going to be hot. The first thing I know I would do is get off the cement and call someone. More then likely a food place or store. So someone would remember the person that came in to use the phone with no shoes on.

Having spent an extended amount of my formative years in the Sunshine State, I can assure you that simply is not the case. The old adage, "No shirt, no shoes, no service" does not apply in the state of Florida. It's not uncommon for people to walk around into pretty much any business, barring high end eateries, with no shoes on. Especially in areas with prominent beaches like Cocoa Beach and the like. I can recount many days and nights where I didn't put shoes on for an entire day while growing up there. The fact that she disappeared without wearing shoes is 100% irrelevant from an investigative standpoint.

Yeah, I never thought much of the barefoot thing, either. I know quite a few folks up here in the sticks who go without shoes during the summer, too...

Yeah, I never thought much of the barefoot thing, either. I know quite a few folks up here in the sticks who go without shoes during the summer, too...

It's also extremely common in Florida for men to go into gas stations, convenient stores and the like whilst shirtless. In fact, the most common attire for a late teens thru early thirties Floridian male is a pair of jean shorts and a pair of sunglasses and that's it. Add a bikini top and make the shorts much shorter and that's par for the course for young women's attire. Nobody even notices because it is so extremely common. I was just there visiting relatives last summer and this is still very much the case. Tammy Lynn being barefoot isn't even a red herring, it's completely inconsequential.

She is still missing to this day.

She is still missing to this day.

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She is still missing to this day.

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:lol:

it was mentioned that tammy was NOT barefoot UM got that wrong


I keep thinking,

If I got in a car with no shoes, it would before 1 reason. I know I am not going to be getting out and would be just to "talk"
Also if you drop someone off, with no shoes on the cement is going to be hot. The first thing I know I would do is get off the cement and call someone. More then likely a food place or store. So someone would remember the person that came in to use the phone with no shoes on.

it was mentioned that tammy was NOT barefoot UM got that wrong
We're was this mentioned.

I keep thinking,

If I got in a car with no shoes, it would before 1 reason. I know I am not going to be getting out and would be just to "talk"
Also if you drop someone off, with no shoes on the cement is going to be hot. The first thing I know I would do is get off the cement and call someone. More then likely a food place or store. So someone would remember the person that came in to use the phone with no shoes on.
She was wearing shoes, flip flops. That was one of the details the video and other sources had wrong.

We're was this mentioned.Not only has her sister corrected that info on several occasions but you can find it on this police report as well. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/icaremissingpersonscoldcases/imageproxy.php?url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/Tammy/PoliceReportsmalla.jpg

Not only has her sister corrected that info on several occasions but you can find it on this police report as well. https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/icaremissingpersonscoldcases/imageproxy.php?url=http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v247/suzannec4444/Tammy/PoliceReportsmalla.jpg
I looked at the police report via the link you provided. I wonder why Tammy's mother took so long to report her missing. Also, the date on the report that Linda (Tammy's mother) said she went missing, doesn't correspond with the date I was told she went missing. Linda called my mom on Sunday, July 3rd, 1983, to ask if I might know where Tammy is. I was away on vacation at the time so my mother contacted me and told me that Linda said Tammy went missing on Saturday, which would have been July 2nd - not July 6th as the report states. Could Linda and "WM" (whom Linda told me was Keith) be covering up something? Did Keith do something to Tammy, whereas her mom and Keith concocted a story for the police to protect Keith? Or, did Linda do something to Tammy and did Keith help Linda dispose of Tammy? What about Wing Flanagan? Could he have been part of this scheme as well? After all, Tammy and Linda were living with Wing's family at the time. And what about Rick Adams? Where does he fit into all of this, if at all? From what I remember from the last time I saw a rerun of the UM show, it seemed like Rick was trying to portray himself as being much more involved with Tammy than he really was. I think he was just trying to milk the attention as some people who appear on stage alot like to do - he used to play in a rock band. What I'm about to say next is rumor and hearsay, but several people involved with Linda, Tammy and Galaxy Studios, said that they thought Linda, not Tammy though, was involved with witchcraft. I do not know if she was or not. The only peculiar actions I witnessed was that Linda liked to light a candle every night at the same time in front of a painting of a clown whom she claimed she was somehow connected with spiritually. I am not trying to spread rumors or speak ill of anyone. I am only sharing what I knew of at the time, what I heard back then, and what I recall myself. After Tammy returned home following her nervous breakdown on the set of "Scarface", Linda called me to tell me that Tammy was under a 72-hour psychological watch. Tammy and I spoke a couple of times after that, but she did not tell me anything about what happened in Miami. Nor did she allude to anything distressing going on at home. Tammy talked about plans for us to go ice skating at a rink in Orlando. That happened to be the last time I heard anything from her. I had always assumed she went to California, either to seek success in Hollywood or to live with a sister of hers that I heard lived out there. I think I even said that to my mom when she told me about Linda's call. I wish I had taken it more seriously back then, but I just thought that Linda probably thought that Tammy had, but used the police and the media to generate information that might end up exposing Tammy's whereabouts. It's so sad because Tammy wasn't as happy as she appeared to be or as happy as she wanted to be. I suspected that Tammy really wasn't into all the pageantry and movies, but that it was all her mom's doing. I wish I had been more observant back then. I never suspected that she disappeared due to foul play. I didn't start to wonder until years later when her mother passed away and there wasn't any mentioning of Tammy showing up for her mother's funeral.

I wonder why Tammy's mother took so long to report her missing Very strange isn't it? On one hand you have Linda saying on the TV show that Tammy was unstable, and kept saying some one wants to kill her, and then when she doesn't come home, it takes about a week to contact the police for help?
Also, the date on the report that Linda (Tammy's mother) said she went missing, doesn't correspond with the date I was told she went missing. Linda called my mom on Sunday, July 3rd, 1983, to ask if I might know where Tammy is. I was away on vacation at the time so my mother contacted me and told me that Linda said Tammy went missing on Saturday, which would have been July 2nd - not July 6th as the report states. I recall you explaining this earlier down and it stood out like a sore thumb to me, because I was aware of this police report and what it said. It leads me to conclude that the time discrepancy means that the stages were already being set in place for a disappearing act. I am betting that there was probably several friends houses that received calls that week end, but maybe they did not remember it.

From everything I have seen I have little doubts that Linda, and Wing were involved. Perhaps they did not harm her, I don't believe she was harmed. But they aided in the disappearance. Too much about them does not add up. Then, that person True, he saved a collection of emails sent to him from Suzanne, and she brings up the fact that Tammy had multiple social security numbers. Now, people don't have multiple social security numbers attached to their name unless there is identity theft involved, or if there are legal legit reasons why officials would want to give some one a whole new identity, SSI and all. Any rate, it means some sort of change in identity, legally done or not. This, among other things I've discovered points me in the direction of thinking some type of witness protection program. Although I don't think I can rule out the possibility that Tammy ran off and wanted to be fully estranged, and learned the art of taking on different SSI numbers. But then this doesn't make sense out of Wing snapping at that Tim guy when he suggested a newspaper article featuring a reward for info on Tammy during those times. Wing apparently said to him "Are you trying to get her killed?" Now if Wing wasn't involved when how did he know she was still alive, and why would he think a reasonable idea about posting a missing person's reward would harm rather than help, right? Also, this shows he may have known she was in a witness protection and that the act could endanger her.

Above all, thank you for your response. I can't imagine how hard it must be for some one that was truly her friend to have gone through all that, and be left wondering why it happened, and just having her duck out of their life without explanation or indication. Also, it's sad to think that Tammy was thrust into a life style that she may not have ever wanted, and felt that kind of unhappiness. I suppose if she did devise a very clever way of disappearing never to return, I would not blame her.

I brought this up in another thread where there was a discussion about Tami Lynn Leppert. Since no one answered, I thought I’d try this thread and see what you have to say.

I've always wondered how accurate the segment portrayed her behavior. Because on one hand, her behavior is textbook mental illness. Elaborate conspiracy theories and massive paranoia that doesn't really make a lot of sense. There's been speculation that maybe she witnessed a crime while working on a movie set, but I keep thinking of stuff like when she made her stepbrother taste her food because she thought it might be poisoned. If she really believed that some crime syndicate was after her and trying to poison her, why would she have him taste test it? Most people don't want a loved one to be poisoned.

But the segment also said that she had been briefly hospitalized and was released without a diagnosis, which makes me curious. If she was in a psychiatric ward, then she would have been observed and evaluated by people with more than just a layman's knowledge of mental illness. If she was that obviously mentally ill, they probably would have noticed and diagnosed her with something.

But Unsolved Mysteries has been known to leave out information in segments, so someone want to help me out?

Very strange isn't it? On one hand you have Linda saying on the TV show that Tammy was unstable, and kept saying some one wants to kill her, and then when she doesn't come home, it takes about a week to contact the police for help?

In 1983, I'm pretty sure a person had to be missing 48 hours before you could report it to police. But waiting a week? That does seem very strange.

In 1983, I'm pretty sure a person had to be missing 48 hours before you could report it to police. But waiting a week? That does seem very strange.
It depends on the case and circumstances surrounding the disappearance. For instance, if there is no reason to believe that there could be any danger, or psych issues then yes, 48 hours is normal. It's still that way today. In THIS case, you had a girl just barely 18 recently released from a psych ward eval, who's mother says she left the house without any over night bags, stating she will be back soon, as well has shown odd behavior, acute paranoia and fear of people trying to kill her, who also claimed that she saw something she shouldn't have at a party she went to. This is what her mother says and I have no doubts had her mother showed up at the police station that particular night and furnished them with all these claims, they would have considered her potentially endangered and been out searching for her then and there. Just like other cases of police looking for adults missing under odd circumstances within the same date. So yes, it's extremely odd for her mother to sit there on TV making the statements about how scared her daughter allegedly was, and how dangerous the situation was, even claiming that the man she left with was the one she claimed wanted to hurt her daughter, waiting out the week. The police actually at some point expressed frustration that she didn't come to them that day with all this. I feel that this was intentional on the part of her mother, there's just no other logical reason why.

Another case of this, I am personally close to, where the police did not make the family wait 48 hours is the lady featured in the missing person's case below. Given the circumstances and what they were told by her sister, they assemble search teams hours later. This is a friend of mine, I fear the worst in this case, but hopeful that she does turn up alive. https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/23080/6

I've always wondered how accurate the segment portrayed her behavior. Because on one hand, her behavior is textbook mental illness. Elaborate conspiracy theories and massive paranoia that doesn't really make a lot of sense. Excellent question. In fact, her friends who have been kind enough to come forward and talk about any of this all seem to mention that there wasn't anything out of the ordinary with her at all like this.
There's been speculation that maybe she witnessed a crime while working on a movie set, but I keep thinking of stuff like when she made her stepbrother taste her food because she thought it might be poisoned. If she really believed that some crime syndicate was after her and trying to poison her, why would she have him taste test it? Most people don't want a loved one to be poisoned. Remember, it's all really speculation, there was no outside witnesses to any of this. Believing it would mean solely believing that her mother and Wing were being honest. For all we know, none of this happened.
But the segment also said that she had been briefly hospitalized and was released without a diagnosis, which makes me curious. If she was in a psychiatric ward, then she would have been observed and evaluated by people with more than just a layman's knowledge of mental illness. If she was that obviously mentally ill, they probably would have noticed and diagnosed her with something. That visit occurred and they gave her a clean bill of psych health, even more unusual if all the stuff that Linda and Wing claimed, was actually happening. There was some one else on one of the threads who said they had all the official records including this one. They had also said they were going to share them, but changed their mind after some colorful members ran them off the forum, which is unfortunate.

Was this Rick Adams fellow and "the friend that picked her up and drove to the beach" and had an argument with the same person?

If true surely at some point he must have been considered a suspect and in my mind very well could have been responsible.

I know there's been a lot of theories presented on this case. Given the non-stop parade of accusations of sexual misconduct against famous actors, directors, etc these days, I think the most likely scenario was that Tammy was sexually assaulted during the movie shoot and unfortunately, it had a tremendous effect on her mental health.

I know there's been a lot of theories presented on this case. Given the non-stop parade of accusations of sexual misconduct against famous actors, directors, etc these days, I think the most likely scenario was that Tammy was sexually assaulted during the movie shoot and unfortunately, it had a tremendous effect on her mental health.

Classic overreaction. This is the type of thing that makes me worry about jury pools and their gullibility to slickster lawyers on either side. Sure there have been a flurry of high profile accusations and concessions recently. It is nothing more than unusual distribution over a short stretch. To assign a wide net over the industry and proclaim it must have happened to one particular girl decades ago and caused her mental issues is a ridiculous leap.

Let's say there had been zero sexual misconduct claims involving famous Hollywood types over the past year or so. Would that make it less likely that Tammy Leppert, or anyone else from 1983, had been a victim?

It reminds me of people who believe DB Cooper -- whoever he was -- didn't survive the jump from the plane. Wonderful. Now we're going up there and mirror the conditions. One guy after another is going to jump. Do you really want to say he's not going to make it? Good luck to you. The jumpers are far more secure than your money, should you actually risk it that way.

No different than actresses from the '80s or whenever. Yeah, we've heard all the stories. But let's go back and see one after another enter those casting rooms..couch and all. We've got the video and audio. Now let's see how frequently something untoward happens.

Not that time. Not that time. Not that time.

What's going on? How can our stereotype be failing?

And yes...I'd be laughing like heck. Why understand percentaging when outer limits is available?

Classic overreaction. This is the type of thing that makes me worry about jury pools and their gullibility to slickster lawyers on either side. Sure there have been a flurry of high profile accusations and concessions recently. It is nothing more than unusual distribution over a short stretch. To assign a wide net over the industry and proclaim it must have happened to one particular girl decades ago and caused her mental issues is a ridiculous leap.

Let's say there had been zero sexual misconduct claims involving famous Hollywood types over the past year or so. Would that make it less likely that Tammy Leppert, or anyone else from 1983, had been a victim?

It reminds me of people who believe DB Cooper -- whoever he was -- didn't survive the jump from the plane. Wonderful. Now we're going up there and mirror the conditions. One guy after another is going to jump. Do you really want to say he's not going to make it? Good luck to you. The jumpers are far more secure than your money, should you actually risk it that way.

No different than actresses from the '80s or whenever. Yeah, we've heard all the stories. But let's go back and see one after another enter those casting rooms..couch and all. We've got the video and audio. Now let's see how frequently something untoward happens.

Not that time. Not that time. Not that time.

What's going on? How can our stereotype be failing?

And yes...I'd be laughing like heck. Why understand percentaging when outer limits is available?

Can you prove that it didn't happen?

No?

Then your argument holds no water.

If you would have read that post carefully, I said it was the most likely scenario. Not that it "must have happened."

Was this Rick Adams fellow and "the friend that picked her up and drove to the beach" and had an argument with the same person?

If true surely at some point he must have been considered a suspect and in my mind very well could have been responsible.

Rick Adams was a close friend of Tammy’s and he was not the same man that picked her up and said he dropped her off at the Glass Bank the day she disappeared. That guy’s name was Keith Roberts. Yes I’m surprised he wasn’t looked at more closely either. Meaning Keith.

Was this Rick Adams fellow and "the friend that picked her up and drove to the beach" and had an argument with the same person?

If true surely at some point he must have been considered a suspect and in my mind very well could have been responsible.No, that was Keith Roberts. If you noticed on the unsolved Segment her mother claims that this was the same man Tammy was afraid of. Then why did her mother wait a week to contact police at all about this, right? That of itself is very off. Police did question Keith but did not go further. Rick Adams was the friend who claimed to spend the night before with Tammy and that Tammy was crying and hugging him and telling him she's going away for a while and such.

I know there's been a lot of theories presented on this case. Given the non-stop parade of accusations of sexual misconduct against famous actors, directors, etc these days, I think the most likely scenario was that Tammy was sexually assaulted during the movie shoot and unfortunately, it had a tremendous effect on her mental health.Hmmm I suppose you never know. Tammy had been in hundreds of beauty pageants and it would at least be hard to imagine that some dirty old men never made any passes at her during these pageants and such. What Linda and Wing alluded to was her supposedly seeing something horrible that she shouldn't have seen. Something scary and traumatic for her. In that case, I would think a murder or something close to that.

Ok thanks for that, interesting.

Hmmm I suppose you never know. Tammy had been in hundreds of beauty pageants and it would at least be hard to imagine that some dirty old men never made any passes at her during these pageants and such.

I think it might be possible that Tammy had been sexually assaulted at some point. Linda does seem to have questionable judgment when it comes to what is and isn’t appropriate for a child. Have you seen the photo of taken of Tammy wearing a zebra-pattern swimsuit at age thirteen?

When I first watched this case yeeears ago, I was of the opinion that Tami had a legitimate reason to be afraid. I thought that she had witnessed something that she wasn't supposed to (a murder or a drug deal maybe) and was scared for her life. I thought it was possible that she had been threatened not to reveal what she had seen, and she had become paranoid. Then whomever was threatening her eventually carried out that threat and murdered her.

I recently rewatched this episode with a friend when it appeared on Amazon. Accompanied with some light research, I have changed my mind. Now, while I believe that there is a possibility that Tami witnessed something she shouldn't have, I no longer think she was the victim of foul play, nor do I think she's dead. I actually think there's a good chance that she's still alive out there. However, if she is dead, I don't think she was murdered, but most likely committed suicide.

I have a few theories which can sort of be mixed and matched, but overall here are my thoughts:

1.) Tami either witnessed something that made her paranoid/fear for her life (murder, drug deal, something illegal) or she was experiencing early signs of mental illness and was, essentially, making herself crazy and imagining someone was coming after her. Either way, the experience changed her as a person. Her old life no longer made sense to her, and she was obviously scared for her life. She couldn't tell her family the truth and her personality was changing, and she became too "ill" to continue acting. It seems like to be she probably felt like she had no place to go; she couldn't be at home, because she couldn't confide in the people closest to her, and they couldn't recognize her newfound personality. She couldn't return to the Hollywood life because she couldn't continue to perform acting roles due to her paranoid state and emotional outbursts. Tami didn't seem to have anywhere to go, and regardless of whether or not someone was actually after her or if she was just delusional, I think it's most likely that she felt scared and changed enough to go change her identity and move on with her life, since her previous one no longer made sense with who she had become.

2.) Same as above, except with a different possibility. Entertaining the idea that Tami did die, I don't deny that it's possible that she committed suicide. I base this around the same idea as above; something (experience, mental state) changed her, she couldn't confide in anyone, couldn't mentally handle what was going on, and she took her own life. How? I honestly don't know. I find suicide or murder unlikely, mostly because a body has never been found. I think what really convinced me was where Tami was last seen. I believe she was dropped off by a friend near a mall after a fight? It wasn't the friend, and I don't think Tami would have just casually wandered into the people she was afraid of... how would they have known to find her there? How would they have anticipated the fight she would have with her friend and that Tami would just get out of the car and start walking? Tami thought that the person (or people) after her were watching her mother's house where she was staying. I don't recall ever hearing any details about a car following her around, though I could be wrong. Anyway, if it were suicide, wouldn't her body have been located almost immediately? Any large bodies of water in the area? Bridges? I see several ways for someone to commit suicide, but how could their body remain hidden if they do so out in the open? If Tami went to a hotel to kill herself, her body would have been discovered and reported to the local police. If she jumped from somewhere or drowned, could mother nature hide her body for that long? I really don't know as I'm unfamiliar with that area.

I've also read the possibility that Tami, distraught, possibly ran into someone who took advantage of her in her fragile state and murdered her... I just find that a bit too coincidental. Did the particular area where Tami was dropped off see a lot of crime? Yeeeeah... I find it a bit too much of a coincidence.

Overall, I don't think Tami killed herself or was a victim of foul play. I maintain that it's possible she witnessed something that caused her worry and grief, to the point where she had a mental breakdown, but I also think it's possible that she developed a mental illness that caused her to imagine someone was stalking her. Either way, it changed her. I think it's likely she walked away and started a new life with a new identity.

I used to have a hard time believing that people could just walk away from their life, go into hiding and emerge as a different person... It has always sounded so Lifetime movie to me. How can people, no matter what they are going through, walk away from everything they know? How can they just abandon their families with no answers? I struggle with the Amy Bradley case too, for THIS reason (different circumstances I know). But overall, I think it's possible that trauma can have a life changing effect on someone and to that person starting over is the only way they can feel safe and normal again.

To argue that, if Tami is still alive and living a new life under a different name, why does she not come forward and tell her story? Well, why would she? It's been over 30 years. She'd be in her early fifties at this point and she's most likely a completely different person that has adapted to her environment. It's possible she is still in the same mental state where she is still fearful of what would happened if she were to reveal herself.. who knows.

I think it might be possible that Tammy had been sexually assaulted at some point. Linda does seem to have questionable judgment when it comes to what is and isn’t appropriate for a child. Have you seen the photo of taken of Tammy wearing a zebra-pattern swimsuit at age thirteen?

Different time back then, society wasn't really uptight about things like that like society has been the last 20-25 years.

I've also read the possibility that Tami, distraught, possibly ran into someone who took advantage of her in her fragile state and murdered her.

This is the theory that I most agree with.

More violent offenders live in Florida than any other state. It's true today and it may have even been true back then. Christopher Wilder, the "Model Killer," may have already been operating in the area at the time. It's so easy for a man with bad intentions to pick her up intending to "help," and then get rid of her.

This is the theory that I most agree with.

More violent offenders live in Florida than any other state. It's true today and it may have even been true back then. Christopher Wilder, the "Model Killer," may have already been operating in the area at the time. It's so easy for a man with bad intentions to pick her up intending to "help," and then get rid of her.

My gut told me for the longest time that (despite this happening in the early 80's) she would not have gotten in a car with a stranger if she were having recent fits of even her own family members poisoning her. If she's not going to trust her family, why trust a stranger?

But then I remember that Wing said there were days where she was completely on edge and days where she was normal. I guess it all depends what her mindset was at that moment. If it was a "normal" day for her, maybe she would have trusted a stranger to give her a ride.

Although it's also possible something triggered her after the fight in the car with her friend. If she had another meltdown after the phone calls to her aunt, she might not have trusted anyone. It's impossible to know.

My gut told me for the longest time that (despite this happening in the early 80's) she would not have gotten in a car with a stranger if she were having recent fits of even her own family members poisoning her. If she's not going to trust her family, why trust a stranger?

But then I remember that Wing said there were days where she was completely on edge and days where she was normal. I guess it all depends what her mindset was at that moment. If it was a "normal" day for her, maybe she would have trusted a stranger to give her a ride.

Although it's also possible something triggered her after the fight in the car with her friend. If she had another meltdown after the phone calls to her aunt, she might not have trusted anyone. It's impossible to know.

I think that's another problem that I have with the killed-by-a-stranger theory; Tami didn't trust anyone Like you're saying, she didn't even trust her own family. In her state, I just can't see her going off with someone, ESPECIALLY someone she didn't know. I would think she would view it as too risky and not to mention, extremely suspicious. The only way I can see it happening was if she was taken by force, but even then I can see Tami (prone to emotional outbursts) fighting back, screaming etc basically kicking up quite a fuss. And if she kicked up that big of a fuss, that would have drew a fair amount of attention. Like, I realize it's not completely unheard of for someone to be kidnapped in broad daylight and there be no witnesses, but in this case I find it highly unlikely.

I think what it boils down to is that I find it way too coincidental that Tami, in the midst of an emotional breakdown, would happen to run into a murderer/serial killer while on the run from someone else (real or imaginary). Jesus, that would be a cruel twist of fate.

But then I remember that Wing said there were days where she was completely on edge and days where she was normal. I guess it all depends what her mindset was at that moment. If it was a "normal" day for her, maybe she would have trusted a stranger to give her a ride.

That's a great point, but I'm thinking that it maybe wasn't such a "normal" day for Tami? Apparently the fight she had with the friend that dropped her off was pretty trivial, and I'm guessing that if she was getting stressed out and starting fights, then it wasn't a good day.

If a person believes someone is after her to kill her for seeing something she shouldn't, the last person she should trust is a stranger, who might be sent by those out to kill her! Rather than willingly get in a car perhaps she was abducted.

But then I remember that Wing said there were days where she was completely on edge and days where she was normal. I guess it all depends what her mindset was at that moment. If it was a "normal" day for her, maybe she would have trusted a stranger to give her a ride.
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Oceanus says that all this information about Tami’s unstable behavior, comes from her mom and Wing, and hasn’t been verified by anyone else. Said that Tami’s other friends have insisted that Tami wasn’t acting abnormally.

As for the why, I don’t know. I don’t have too much difficulty in believing that maybe Tami wasn’t as crazy about modeling and acting as her mother claimed.

I don’t have too much difficulty in believing that maybe Tami wasn’t as crazy about modeling and acting as her mother claimed.

Tammy said publicly in a newspaper article three years before she disappeared that she was looking forward to the day when she wouldn't be modeling anymore. Her exact quote...

"I don't want to do too much more modeling. For some reason, people look down on models and beauty queens. I've found out who I am through those experiences. I think I have the talent to go on to bigger and better things."

However, in that same article, she did make it known how much she would like to be an actress when she said...

"It'll take a while but I want to win an Academy Award and meet people like Burt Reynolds and Lee Majors. Acting. It's in my blood."

Here's the article if you're interested in it. Dated April 24, 1980.

https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=1696&dat=19800424&id=L_4eAAAAIBAJ&sjid=BJgEAAAAIBAJ&pg=6685,4631116&hl=en

https://ci.memecdn.com/6484855.jpg

I almost choked on my lunch. :lol:

and I also believe the mother and the manager could be involved in some way...
The mother seems very cynical -from my point of view- and she's seems concerned because her way to earning money was mostly Tammy and if Tammy dissapears... well she doesn't have anything to sell.
I know it sounds very hard. But that's the feeling I get after watching the segment.

Maybe Tammy acted her ownd dissapearence, tired of modeling, sick from what she saw at the movie studios and tired of mom.

and I also believe the mother and the manager could be involved in some way...
The mother seems very cynical -from my point of view- and she's seems concerned because her way to earning money was mostly Tammy and if Tammy dissapears... well she doesn't have anything to sell.
I know it sounds very hard. But that's the feeling I get after watching the segment.

Maybe Tammy acted her ownd dissapearence, tired of modeling, sick from what she saw at the movie studios and tired of mom.

I went around in circles reading through this particular thread, then stumbled upon this one:

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=367034&highlight=tammy+lynn+leppert

It's only three pages, so not too long. By the end of page two, there's a somewhat viable theory that comes together.

https://truecrimefactor.com/2017/01/27/true-crime-factor-interview-debbie-palacios/

Anyone listend ot this? This is Tammi's sister Debbie. I find it entresting that the families preast told them some 20 years after Tammi had been missing that she told him she saw some one get killed.

How does Heather O'Rourke having an undiagnosed medical condition translate into her being molested to death? https://people.com/archive/heather-orourkes-grieving-mother-tells-why-shes-suing-her-childs-doctors-for-wrongful-death-vol-29-no-23/

what does heather o'rourke have to do with tammi?

Found this while browsing today:

https://m.ebay.com/itm/May-3-1980-TV-Times-TELE-VUE-TAMI-LYNN-LEPPERT-LITTLE-DARLINGS-KENTUCKY-DERBY/352411727817?hash=item520d6037c9%3Ag%3ACTkAAOSwrx5UX%7ElH&_nkw=lynn+leppert&_from=R40&rt=nc

She sertainly was intrested in moving on to acting. They only thing that adds up too me is Tammy finally got a hold of some one on the phone she thought she new and they picked her up and took her off and killed her. And she did not hitchhike , becasue she would have been to scared too. The only other thing that stands to reason is she had some psychological break down and does not remember who she is. The first sounds more plausable, though I do whish she is still alive. It is fact she was making phone calls , to her Aunt and a friend of hers that owned a video store near buy both said they got phone calls from her on that day and they were not in to recieve the calls. It is obvious she was looking for a ride after that lug nut friend of hers dropped her off. I beleive the phone calls because why would they like to the local paper? Nothing to loose or gain from it. I do not think they will find her in the area. Coco Beach is a busy resort area. Peope are all over the place if something happend to her there it would have been seen by some one, if she killed her self it would have been seen by some one and if her remains are in the area they would have been found buy now. What ever happened to her , happened out of that area. And the police totaly screwd this up in 1983 , because they were ignorant about how to deal with missing persons cases. This was a completly solveable case at that time, thanks to th sloppiness and laziness on the polices is part she still missing. I see now they are trying to make up for it buy testing every remains that come their way too see if their Tammys . Well I hope they find her, so her family can be at peace. It is the least they can do for them !

In case anyone hasn't seen it or didn't realize, the movie "Spring Break" is now available for streaming on Amazon Prime. I watched it just to try to see her in the movie.

In case anyone hasn't seen it or didn't realize, the movie "Spring Break" is now available for streaming on Amazon Prime. I watched it just to try to see her in the movie.

https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LhAYnTABX1A/WsqEKJ02oDI/AAAAAAAAHzk/h3-bRNWGhKEvzVlX-cPTzlr57LZ-HGOZQCLcBGAs/s1600/TLL-SPRING%2BBREAK.jpg

She’s the “boxing girl” in the movie. She has no dialogue but is on screen for about a full minute.

This case has always intrigued me. I believe she saw something she wasn't supposed to.

Spring Break. Saw that flick at the 99c movie. Never thought I’d see Bob Stack mention that movie. Lol. Scarface maybe....

She is still missing there were rumors she knew something about the scarface movie

Semi unrelated...but I'm curious to know whereabouts in Rockledge FL did she live? I lived in Rockledge , FL for 3 years (just recently moved 1 town south to Melbourne). The episode shows her leaving what is supposed to be her house. Based on what knowledge of the area I have, it seems as though "home" is located on, or just off, River Rd (a road that runs down the coast of the Indian River). I lived in that vicinity. It just totally freaks me out, understandably. I wonder if she actually lived in that area, or if the River Rd setting was just a TV setting.

Semi unrelated...but I'm curious to know whereabouts in Rockledge FL did she live? I lived in Rockledge , FL for 3 years (just recently moved 1 town south to Melbourne). The episode shows her leaving what is supposed to be her house. Based on what knowledge of the area I have, it seems as though "home" is located on, or just off, River Rd (a road that runs down the coast of the Indian River). I lived in that vicinity. It just totally freaks me out, understandably. I wonder if she actually lived in that area, or if the River Rd setting was just a TV setting.

Tammy's sister found the house several years back. It's at 1052 Pompeno in Rockledge. The house was white back when Tammy lived there. I don't think the house featured in the reenactment is the same house...

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC1.jpg

http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad64/andy80_bucket/TammyPIC2.jpg

Definitely not the same house featured in the re-enactment. This address is much further inland then what is shown in the episode. Cross the main-ish road to the north and you're in what is now considered the ghetto.

It just irks me that all of this was so close to where I lived at one point (about 2 miles from the address you provided. I get it was Florida in the 1980's so anything was fair game, but still. Either way, Florida seems to be a hotbed for unsolved stuff. We have "Florida man" for a reason I suppose lol

Tammy and her mother Linda lived with me and my dad in cocoa when Tammy was prob. around 11 yo. I have met Rick and everyone else that Tammy had been seeing. I have read every post here and just wanted everyone to know some facts about her.
The day she was missing, she was with the guy in a white corvette and he worked in a bank in Orlando. When I got home that afternoon, they told me that she called me to come pick her up at the glass bank in cocoa beach. I went out there and she was no where to be found.
I have talked to Tammy's sister in cal. to clarify some of the information being posted. Some of these post are very close and some are way off. Tammy was a head turner no doubt and she did date guys that she thought would give her money. I don't consider that as prostitution because lots of women do that.
At one point she was dating this 31 yo man that tried to chase us down one day. I forget his name but remember him well because one night they were in his car and I wanted to fight with him.
When Tammy was missing, they lived in Merritt Island, not Rockledge. Tammy had told me that she was afraid for her life and that someone was out to kill her. She was very scared and too scared to tell the police. she said she saw stuff she should not have seen. she would not tell me what it was. I just wanted to say that I knew her better than any of these other people she dated. Her mother encouraged her to go out with multiple guys so her mother could pay the rent and keep the lights on. her mother never left the couch unless it was to go to the bathroom/eat/sleep.
As far as the UM tape is concerned, you will notice that most of it is about her acting and how beautiful she was. Her mother really wanted the press more than finding her daughter. Don't get me wrong, her mother loved her but thought of her as her way to fame.
I am sad to this day and think of her often. I still have a photo of us. I think the guy in the corvette was Keith now thinking more about this and the 31 yo guy, his name was Roy. To this day, I think Roy had something to do with her missing.

Semi unrelated...but I'm curious to know whereabouts in Rockledge FL did she live? I lived in Rockledge , FL for 3 years (just recently moved 1 town south to Melbourne). The episode shows her leaving what is supposed to be her house. Based on what knowledge of the area I have, it seems as though "home" is located on, or just off, River Rd (a road that runs down the coast of the Indian River). I lived in that vicinity. It just totally freaks me out, understandably. I wonder if she actually lived in that area, or if the River Rd setting was just a TV setting.
She and her mom moved around alot throughout Brevard County. She lived in Cocoa and Merritt Island mostly. If I remember correctly, at the time of her disappearance she was living in South Merritt Island off of New Found Harbor Drive or South Banana River Drive. She had an uncle who operated a chartered bus service in Cocoa Beach/Cape Canaveral in the Cocoa Beach Pier and old Mousetrap Rest & Bar area, across the street from Our Saviour's Church/School.

Tammy and her mother Linda lived with me and my dad in cocoa when Tammy was prob. around 11 yo. I have met Rick and everyone else that Tammy had been seeing. I have read every post here and just wanted everyone to know some facts about her.
The day she was missing, she was with the guy in a white corvette and he worked in a bank in Orlando. When I got home that afternoon, they told me that she called me to come pick her up at the glass bank in cocoa beach. I went out there and she was no where to be found.
I have talked to Tammy's sister in cal. to clarify some of the information being posted. Some of these post are very close and some are way off. Tammy was a head turner no doubt and she did date guys that she thought would give her money. I don't consider that as prostitution because lots of women do that.
At one point she was dating this 31 yo man that tried to chase us down one day. I forget his name but remember him well because one night they were in his car and I wanted to fight with him.
When Tammy was missing, they lived in Merritt Island, not Rockledge. Tammy had told me that she was afraid for her life and that someone was out to kill her. She was very scared and too scared to tell the police. she said she saw stuff she should not have seen. she would not tell me what it was. I just wanted to say that I knew her better than any of these other people she dated. Her mother encouraged her to go out with multiple guys so her mother could pay the rent and keep the lights on. her mother never left the couch unless it was to go to the bathroom/eat/sleep.
As far as the UM tape is concerned, you will notice that most of it is about her acting and how beautiful she was. Her mother really wanted the press more than finding her daughter. Don't get me wrong, her mother loved her but thought of her as her way to fame.
I am sad to this day and think of her often. I still have a photo of us. I think the guy in the corvette was Keith now thinking more about this and the 31 yo guy, his name was Roy. To this day, I think Roy had something to do with her missing.
There were a couple of guys hung around "the shop" that did odd jobs for Tami's mom - Keith and some older guy, maybe the one someone mentioned as Roy. If I remember him correctly, he had dark hair and mustache (back in the early 1980s). I agree with you about her living in Merritt Island at the time of her disappearance, not Rockledge. I too believe that Tami's mom was more into what she could get from Tami than anything else. They verbally fought alot. At first I thought Tami got tired of her mom and ran off to California to live with her sister and find an agent in LA. Tami was still quite shaken and anxious between the time she got home from the hospital and the time of her disappearance. When she and I last talked she seemed upset about something, like she had something on her mind. We had auditioned in Miami together and did audition videos. When I found out her mom had passed away and there wasn't any word about Tami, that's when I began to think the worst. I thought that she would have shown up for her mother's funeral, if she was still alive, despite their volatile relationship. One of the guys on the Unsolved Mysteries show seemed to exaggerate his relationship with her, making himself out to be more significant in her life than really was. When I was doing Cabaret at BCC, one of the guys in the play asked me about Tami and I told him just what I said above - that I thought she ran off to California. I wish she had, because she probably would have done great in Hollywood with the professional assistance of a California based agent and away from her overbearing "stage mother".

Tammy and her mother Linda lived with me and my dad in cocoa when Tammy was prob. around 11 yo. I have met Rick and everyone else that Tammy had been seeing. I have read every post here and just wanted everyone to know some facts about her.
The day she was missing, she was with the guy in a white corvette and he worked in a bank in Orlando. When I got home that afternoon, they told me that she called me to come pick her up at the glass bank in cocoa beach. I went out there and she was no where to be found.
I have talked to Tammy's sister in cal. to clarify some of the information being posted. Some of these post are very close and some are way off. Tammy was a head turner no doubt and she did date guys that she thought would give her money. I don't consider that as prostitution because lots of women do that.
At one point she was dating this 31 yo man that tried to chase us down one day. I forget his name but remember him well because one night they were in his car and I wanted to fight with him.
When Tammy was missing, they lived in Merritt Island, not Rockledge. Tammy had told me that she was afraid for her life and that someone was out to kill her. She was very scared and too scared to tell the police. she said she saw stuff she should not have seen. she would not tell me what it was. I just wanted to say that I knew her better than any of these other people she dated. Her mother encouraged her to go out with multiple guys so her mother could pay the rent and keep the lights on. her mother never left the couch unless it was to go to the bathroom/eat/sleep.
As far as the UM tape is concerned, you will notice that most of it is about her acting and how beautiful she was. Her mother really wanted the press more than finding her daughter. Don't get me wrong, her mother loved her but thought of her as her way to fame.
I am sad to this day and think of her often. I still have a photo of us. I think the guy in the corvette was Keith now thinking more about this and the 31 yo guy, his name was Roy. To this day, I think Roy had something to do with her missing.


What do you make of the rumor that Tammy got involved with and was later killed by Paul Land??

(The theory is posited here - Land is mentioned in the comments below:
https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/12/todays-blind-items-killed-by-her.html )

(Said theory is discussed a bit in this thread: https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=367034&highlight=tammy+lynn+leppert )

There were a couple of guys hung around "the shop" that did odd jobs for Tami's mom - Keith and some older guy, maybe the one someone mentioned as Roy. If I remember him correctly, he had dark hair and mustache (back in the early 1980s). I agree with you about her living in Merritt Island at the time of her disappearance, not Rockledge. I too believe that Tami's mom was more into what she could get from Tami than anything else. They verbally fought alot. At first I thought Tami got tired of her mom and ran off to California to live with her sister and find an agent in LA. Tami was still quite shaken and anxious between the time she got home from the hospital and the time of her disappearance. When she and I last talked she seemed upset about something, like she had something on her mind. We had auditioned in Miami together and did audition videos. When I found out her mom had passed away and there wasn't any word about Tami, that's when I began to think the worst. I thought that she would have shown up for her mother's funeral, if she was still alive, despite their volatile relationship. One of the guys on the Unsolved Mysteries show seemed to exaggerate his relationship with her, making himself out to be more significant in her life than really was. When I was doing Cabaret at BCC, one of the guys in the play asked me about Tami and I told him just what I said above - that I thought she ran off to California. I wish she had, because she probably would have done great in Hollywood with the professional assistance of a California based agent and away from her overbearing "stage mother".

Rick at the time worked for a cable company and seemed to be a nice guy, but Tammy needed more than Rick could offer her ($). Roy was in his 30's and him and I did not get along at all. Tammy liked to think she had more control over men than she really did, and I think she got into a car with someone that she thought she could either handle or trust. There were some real weird guys that would come to Lynda's house and hang out just to watch tammy. Linda allowed it because they would help her with rent and had a vehicle to take her/them around.
Keith who actually drove Tammy that day to the bank in Cocoa Beach where they got in some argument should have made sure she was safe and not allowed her to just leave. I know she can be stubborn, but he should have called her mother and let her know about the situation. Keith worked at a bank in Orlando and she had told me that he was into some shady stuff.

Just curious, did the police interview you at all? It seems like what you are saying would be of some interest to them.

not one person ever asked me anything.

not one person ever asked me anything.


Man it feels like the cops do not want to solve this. They have not done near enough investigating as they should have done then or now. They could have found out then she was making phone calls and matched their numbers with a list of calls from pay phone in area. How many are there in that area? Her Aunt and told the local news paper when Unsolved mystery was filming in area tht Tammy had left three mesages on her machine when she was out of town oin the day she disappeared. Not to mention a friend of hers who ran video store near buy , said he had message on his answering machine the day Tammy disappeared and he was not in his shop either. Now you gota phone message from Tammy that day too. It seems it is now a fact she was making phone calls after she was dropped off at the glass bank. She went off with one some. The investigators need to get off their butts re infestigate everyone she knows and as many guys she dated. Do they leg work and they will probably figure out who she went off with. What is is even more misterious is this is a busy vacation area in broad date light in the summer and no one saw her walking down the street or getting in a car? Strange.

Not sure if anyone has seen this or commented on it, but...

So I was looking at this case's page on the Unsolved Mysteries website...where in the comments people can be a little more flip in suggesting theories.

Anyways, buried in the comments is someone suggesting that you go to the Crazy Days and Nights website, which I feel is a half way reputable celeb gossip blog, and search for a story called 'Killed by her Boyfriend." It's located here:

https://www.crazydaysandnights.net/2017/12/todays-blind-items-killed-by-her.html

So, that is an interesting read. I think if you do enough quick research there is one actor that pretty much sticks out to me as the would be killer, as described by the blog.

Has this ever come up in discussion about this case?




EDIT: SORRY I AM STUPID IT'S LITERALLY 2 inches above my post.

My thinking on this case is state mommy was pimping her daughter out to Hollywood thugs. She saw something criminal at a Hollywood party that deeply traumatized her and knew it would do no good telling her pimp mama. She had no one. I think she was breaking down because years of her mothers exploitation and whatever it was she witnessed and I think she left with the promise of safety from yet another adult that wanted to exploit her. My gut is either she was killed by him or sex trafficked. With her close link with Hollywood and her so used to the exploitation by adults it was probably not too difficult to do. Nobody was talking about ST back then and get countless women and children were sex trafficked into prostitution. She probably languished there until some pimp / trafficker killed her.

But surely not on the same level, I would imagine. Being a guy, I can't relate and speak from personal experience, obviously. But I've never known or heard of a woman whose pregnancy hormones were THAT extreme ... Paranoia to the point of thinking your family is poisoning you and breaking windows with a baseball bat.

I too tend to think she witnessed something horrible mainly because I don't think psychological disorders can just develope overnight. And there are no reports that she had any mental issues or paranoia at any time in her life prior to that last year before she went missing.

I've always wanted to know the specifics of that out of town weekend party she went to unchaperoned because she was never the same after that.

Oh yes, those female hormones are real! Plus if she was suffering some sort of PTSD or trauma from the Hollywood party this would make complete sense. Her breakdown is very believable. I don’t believe it was drugs but rather a reaction to a trauma. Possibly rape or witness to a rape or murder.

I agree 100% I think this ties back to Hollywood elite whom are protected like Catholic priests, it seems.

I've seen the threads about TLL numerous times on this forum, but never knew anything about the case until seeing the segment in the S05 premiere.

Extremely strange. I think TLL was mentally unbalanced and/or on drugs. I'm not convinced that someone was actually "after" her, but it's definitely possible. I.e., she could have had mental issues & also had someone after her as well.

The big question obviously is: What happened to her?! The last time she was seen was in a parking lot - barefoot, and with no purse - and possibly near a busy highway (according to what was seen in the segment). I see several possibilities:

1) Without money - she tried to hitch-hike home, and was killed by whoever picked her up. If this is what happened, it was probably a crime of opportunity.

2) Someone was targeting her, kidnapped her, and killed her.

3) She was accidentally hit by a car (possibly at night), and the person panicked & disposed of the body.

4) The most unlikely possibility is that she is still alive somewhere; possibly homeless. But, if that's the case you would think she would have turned up by now.

It does seem like her mother used TLL to her own financial advantage. Sad. I wonder what would have happened if she had made it out to CA to try and become an actress. Would she have made it big in Hollywood, or faded into obscurity?!

I have seen Scarface (vicious film) but don't remember her character; it sounds like she only had a brief cameo. I still need to see Spring Break.

This case always boggled my mind. Tammy definitely had trauma induced psychosis. The fact so many people on UM have disappeared without a trace is just scary to even fathom. You could be living your life one day and then the next you are GONE.

I agree 100% I think this ties back to Hollywood elite whom are protected like Catholic priests, it seems.

Let's be realistic-she had a bit part in some films. She wasn't some huge Hollywood star & to the majority of people around the set of Scarface she would have just been another hot girl in a bikini.

I have seen Scarface (vicious film) but don't remember her character; it sounds like she only had a brief cameo. I still need to see Spring Break.

She was the hot girl in a blue bikini who distracts Pacino's lookout guy when the drug deal is going down-the famous chainsaw scene.

Oh yes, those female hormones are real! Plus if she was suffering some sort of PTSD or trauma from the Hollywood party this would make complete sense. Her breakdown is very believable. I don’t believe it was drugs but rather a reaction to a trauma. Possibly rape or witness to a rape or murder.

As mentioned in previous posts, all this talk about Tami’s unstable behavior comes from Wing and her mother, and that her friends have said she wasn’t acting strange.

I have my doubts as well. If her mother and Wing’s reports are accurate, then her behavior is textbook mental illness. But Tami spent 48 hours in a psychiatric ward and was discharged without receiving any diagnosis. If she was that obviously mentally ill, shouldn’t she have been diagnosed with something? After all, she would have been studied and examined by people who have more than a layman’s knowledge of mental illness.

As mentioned in previous posts, all this talk about Tami’s unstable behavior comes from Wing and her mother, and that her friends have said she wasn’t acting strange.

I have my doubts as well. If her mother and Wing’s reports are accurate, then her behavior is textbook mental illness. But Tami spent 48 hours in a psychiatric ward and was discharged without receiving any diagnosis. If she was that obviously mentally ill, shouldn’t she have been diagnosed with something? After all, she would have been studied and examined by people who have more than a layman’s knowledge of mental illness.

This was 1983, mental health & diagnosis was not what it is in the modern world. It is more likely a case of stopping any self harm or harm to others & as her triggers were quite probably in large part her family she would have been released as she calmed.

As mentioned in previous posts, all this talk about Tami’s unstable behavior comes from Wing and her mother, and that her friends have said she wasn’t acting strange.

I have my doubts as well. If her mother and Wing’s reports are accurate, then her behavior is textbook mental illness. But Tami spent 48 hours in a psychiatric ward and was discharged without receiving any diagnosis. If she was that obviously mentally ill, shouldn’t she have been diagnosed with something? After all, she would have been studied and examined by people who have more than a layman’s knowledge of mental illness.

Not necessarily. I know a man who is currently a loose cannon. He is off his meds and a danger to himself and possibly others. When it first happened, he was locked up for evaluation. He managed to fool the judge that he is okay, but he definitely is not okay.

As mentioned in previous posts, all this talk about Tami’s unstable behavior comes from Wing and her mother, and that her friends have said she wasn’t acting strange.

I have my doubts as well. If her mother and Wing’s reports are accurate, then her behavior is textbook mental illness. But Tami spent 48 hours in a psychiatric ward and was discharged without receiving any diagnosis. If she was that obviously mentally ill, shouldn’t she have been diagnosed with something? After all, she would have been studied and examined by people who have more than a layman’s knowledge of mental illness.

You know what? This made me think of something I'd never thought of, before. Personally, I do think she had some sort of mental illness, however...

What if in the course of her hospitalization, she had actually spoken with a therapist and actually explained the issue(s), leading to the non-diagnosis? Maybe (again, very unlikely, but it's possible) there was actually a patient file on her that explained the issue(s). I wonder if LE ever looked into that.

I'm don't understand why so many people are against the mom.

As mentioned in previous posts, all this talk about Tami’s unstable behavior comes from Wing and her mother, and that her friends have said she wasn’t acting strange.

I have my doubts as well. If her mother and Wing’s reports are accurate, then her behavior is textbook mental illness.

I see no reason as to why Linda and Wing would lie about Tammy's behavior. And if I'm not mistaken, I've heard that unlike in the reenactment, the living situation was Linda and Tammy living with Wing and his parents. It wasn't Wing living with Tammy and her mother. So that's two more witnesses who could have verified her behavior.

There was no consistent pattern with her behavior. Wing said there were days where she was her normal self and other days where she was very much on edge. The window incident was what finally convinced them to have Tammy be evaluated.

Here is a link to my writeup on Tammy's case.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/631752367223887/permalink/860412364357885/

A lot of people mention mental health problems, but people don't usually go from being completely fine, to having severe mental problems over night. I also don't buy that at this party she saw something she shouldn't have, because that wouldn't make her question her own family. As i recall, she wanted her step-brother to test her mother's cooking.

I've always thought it was pretty obvious that she took some drug at this party and it messed with some chemical balance in her brain, the era, this type of hollywood party scene. If i remember right, Peter Green one of the first singers from Fleetwood Mac, took acid just one time on a european tour in Germany. To quote Mick fleetwood "he never came back."

He too suffered from schizophrenia, spent time in mental health hospitals, and never recovered. One hit is all it takes, and the era, the scene... it all lines up, I think it's too obvious thats what happened! It's not the most fascinating satanic hollywood death cult theory, but it's the most obvious one.

A lot of people mention mental health problems, but people don't usually go from being completely fine, to having severe mental problems over night. I also don't buy that at this party she saw something she shouldn't have, because that wouldn't make her question her own family. As i recall, she wanted her step-brother to test her mother's cooking.

I've always thought it was pretty obvious that she took some drug at this party and it messed with some chemical balance in her brain, the era, this type of hollywood party scene. If i remember right, Peter Green one of the first singers from Fleetwood Mac, took acid just one time on a european tour in Germany. To quote Mick fleetwood "he never came back."

He too suffered from schizophrenia, spent time in mental health hospitals, and never recovered. One hit is all it takes, and the era, the scene... it all lines up, I think it's too obvious thats what happened! It's not the most fascinating satanic hollywood death cult theory, but it's the most obvious one.

While I don't discount the possibility it was drug related (in TLL's case), Green (by his own admission) used acid more than just one time.

"In Bob Brunning's book Fleetwood Mac: The First 30 Years, Green is quoted as saying in 1988, 'I'm at present recuperating from treatment for taking drugs. It was drugs that influenced me a lot. I took more than I intended to. I took LSD eight or nine times. The effect of that stuff lasts so long.'"

From all I've seen, drugs don't typically GIVE you mental illness, they generally exacerbate a pre-existing one.

While I don't discount the possibility it was drug related (in TLL's case), Green (by his own admission) used acid more than just one time.

"In Bob Brunning's book Fleetwood Mac: The First 30 Years, Green is quoted as saying in 1988, 'I'm at present recuperating from treatment for taking drugs. It was drugs that influenced me a lot. I took more than I intended to. I took LSD eight or nine times. The effect of that stuff lasts so long.'"

From all I've seen, drugs don't typically GIVE you mental illness, they generally exacerbate a pre-existing one.


According to Mick Fleetwood speaking on the BBC documentary "don't stop", Peter Green never displayed any signs of mental illness, While on tour in europe, in germany in 1970, Peter was invited to a german woodstock like event by Uschi Obermaie where he did acid for the first time. From pretty much the next day, he had changed completely, he was paranoid he would ask the other band members about "strange voices" in the studio, on the records, he tried to give away every material thing he had, money...

His manger Clifford Davies said "that was the point" to quote Mick fleetwood "Just one tab, one hit and he never came back"

I'm sure he did drugs before and after that event. but it's obvious that, that one experience with LSD changed something And it was just one example, i've read many things over the years of people taking one hit off some drug and it having a profound affect on their mental health.


Tammy goes to a party and comes back a very different person, like flicking a switch. a "natural" mental illness wouldn't just appear like that, the other theory is that she saw something she shouldn't have, but how would that make her question if her own mother was poisioning her food?

If it's the unsolved mysteries episode, podcasts, books or anything on this case, what is pointed to again and again as a pivet of a "before and after" with Tammy is the party. what other explination would there be?

Anyone surprised the Tami Lynn Leppert case hasn’t seemed to have been covered by any other true crime show?

Anyone think it is kind of strange Tami Lynn’s disappearance hasn’t been covered by any other shows besides UM?

The things that a beauty queen or a child actress could see are staggering. Tami obviously saw something, and she is in the wrong business when it comes to seeing the wrong things. There are a ton of powerful people in Hollywood. There could have been something they wanted her to do, or something they wanted her to see so they could hold it over her. Whatever it was, it obviously freaked her out.

This happens more than you think. Look up the name Isaac Kappy. Not a well known actor, but a guy who just like Tami claimed they were out to kill him. He was painted as being crazy, and told people in a video that he would NOT kill himself if he were ever found dead. And he was found dead after jumping/being pushed off a bridge if I recall.

Anyway, this stuff happens all of the time in that industry and people don't realize it. Tami was a victim of that in my opinion. What she saw on that weekend away was the key to how far she was willing to go to pursue a movie career. In my opinion.

The things that a beauty queen or a child actress could see are staggering. Tami obviously saw something, and she is in the wrong business when it comes to seeing the wrong things. There are a ton of powerful people in Hollywood. There could have been something they wanted her to do, or something they wanted her to see so they could hold it over her. Whatever it was, it obviously freaked her out.

This happens more than you think. Look up the name Isaac Kappy. Not a well known actor, but a guy who just like Tami claimed they were out to kill him. He was painted as being crazy, and told people in a video that he would NOT kill himself if he were ever found dead. And he was found dead after jumping/being pushed off a bridge if I recall.

Anyway, this stuff happens all of the time in that industry and people don't realize it. Tami was a victim of that in my opinion. What she saw on that weekend away was the key to how far she was willing to go to pursue a movie career. In my opinion.

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

Isn't it funny how we see over & over paranoid/mentally ill/criminal people going around telling everybody that dangerous people are after them, there are huge conspiracies against them & if they end dead or missing then it is always foul play by these people?

Reality in the case of Kappy-who was clearly like many others after Trump got elected & Pizzagate/QAnon totally out of his mind with the baseless accusations he was making & left a suicide note, Cindy James, the Octopus guy etc that they took their own lives & in some cases tried to make it look like a hit-so their wacky theories would live on/they would be famous after death, while not finding it in life.

As for Tammy, I suspect she just had mental issues/substance abuse/alcohol issues, issues with her family & most likely just got into the wrong car that day-whether that be her boyfriends, or if he is telling the truth after she got out & likely hitchhiked.

Her mental problems might well have been caused by her mother entering her into 'child beauty contests' at the age of just 4 & having been in 300 of them by the time she was 16-her childhood & adolescence consisted of her being dressed up to look like a porn actress/hooker on stage for the benefit of sick paedophile men & deranged women (living vicariously through their daughters) just like Jon-Benet was & documentaries etc have shown how horrendous these mothers usually are if the kids don't win, or even don't want to parade around on stage.

She likely came into contact with lots of unsavoury men who judge these events/hang out at them & quite possibly was abused by them, while possibly being abused by her mother mentally. Even if these things didn't happen this is still not an environment for a child to be in & one that is quite likely to lead to mental problems down the line.

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

I agree. And why wait an entire year to do away with her? I don't doubt she could have been exposed to unsettling things at this party but I'd be shocked if they were serious enough to lead to this type of paranoia. I too think it boils down to her getting in the wrong car with the wrong person. Maybe even a person she thought she could trust.

I don't see the runaway scenario because of the exact reason her mother gave in the segment. She was very soon getting ready to go to California for 3 months. A newspaper article mentioned how badly she wanted to break into a film or tv career and how tired she was of the beauty pageants. She was now at a point where she would be on the other side of the country doing auditions and not doing pageants. That's a major plus for her. If after three months and the auditions had NOT turned out well and there was the possibility of going back to Florida and doing pageants again, I could understand running away THEN but not at THIS moment.

Also, a complete mental breakdown at the point of the argument and being dropped off at the Glass Bank is too convenient for me. She had the mental wherewithal to walk to the payphone across the street outside the Exon Station and make multiple phone calls to her aunt who she knew worked not far from that location. Unfortunately, the aunt happened to be out of town that day and wasn't able to receive the calls. So I'm thinking whoever picked her up happened shortly after the last phone call. Only this person knows what happened after that.

Except by this logic everybody on film sets would be dead due to 'what they have seen' not really sure where this comes from, film sets are generally quite boring places, everything is mapped out & has to run to time constraints/budgets.

There simply isn't time for drug cartels, human traffickers & every other bogeyman theory blamed for every vanishing woman or child nowadays to be doing their stuff.

Isn't it funny how we see over & over paranoid/mentally ill/criminal people going around telling everybody that dangerous people are after them, there are huge conspiracies against them & if they end dead or missing then it is always foul play by these people?

Reality in the case of Kappy-who was clearly like many others after Trump got elected & Pizzagate/QAnon totally out of his mind with the baseless accusations he was making & left a suicide note, Cindy James, the Octopus guy etc that they took their own lives & in some cases tried to make it look like a hit-so their wacky theories would live on/they would be famous after death, while not finding it in life.

As for Tammy, I suspect she just had mental issues/substance abuse/alcohol issues, issues with her family & most likely just got into the wrong car that day-whether that be her boyfriends, or if he is telling the truth after she got out & likely hitchhiked.

Her mental problems might well have been caused by her mother entering her into 'child beauty contests' at the age of just 4 & having been in 300 of them by the time she was 16-her childhood & adolescence consisted of her being dressed up to look like a porn actress/hooker on stage for the benefit of sick paedophile men & deranged women (living vicariously through their daughters) just like Jon-Benet was & documentaries etc have shown how horrendous these mothers usually are if the kids don't win, or even don't want to parade around on stage.

She likely came into contact with lots of unsavoury men who judge these events/hang out at them & quite possibly was abused by them, while possibly being abused by her mother mentally. Even if these things didn't happen this is still not an environment for a child to be in & one that is quite likely to lead to mental problems down the line.

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16. There could have been a long line of things that led to her demise, but the key here is that her behaviour changed after she came back from that trip. What happened there, what did she see? Who knows. But there is little doubt in my mind that she would have seen something, or something happened to her where she was extorted or bribed or told to keep quiet.

When celebrities of the past speak out about things it never gets a lot of press. But there are horrible things that happen in Hollywood, and I believe Elijah Wood, Corey Feldman, Todd Bridges, etc. guys that like who have spoken out against it. Feldman said when he was a child star he was "surrounded" by pedophiles.

Anyway, this discussion takes a LOT longer than just a couple of paragraphs, but my thought is Tami was long being groomed for super stardom but didn't want the consequences that come with it. It goes beyond just a casting couch in Hollywood.

I agree. And why wait an entire year to do away with her? I don't doubt she could have been exposed to unsettling things at this party but I'd be shocked if they were serious enough to lead to this type of paranoia. I too think it boils down to her getting in the wrong car with the wrong person. Maybe even a person she thought she could trust.

I don't see the runaway scenario because of the exact reason her mother gave in the segment. She was very soon getting ready to go to California for 3 months. A newspaper article mentioned how badly she wanted to break into a film or tv career and how tired she was of the beauty pageants. She was now at a point where she would be on the other side of the country doing auditions and not doing pageants. That's a major plus for her. If after three months and the auditions had NOT turned out well and there was the possibility of going back to Florida and doing pageants again, I could understand running away THEN but not at THIS moment.


Also, a complete mental breakdown at the point of the argument and being dropped off at the Glass Bank is too convenient for me. She had the mental wherewithal to walk to the payphone across the street outside the Exon Station and make multiple phone calls to her aunt who she knew worked not far from that location. Unfortunately, the aunt happened to be out of town that day and wasn't able to receive the calls. So I'm thinking whoever picked her up happened shortly after the last phone call. Only this person knows what happened after that.

Yep, I don't believe she ran away to start a new life & has remained hidden for 40 years, she stands out too much for nobody to recognise her.

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16. There could have been a long line of things that led to her demise, but the key here is that her behaviour changed after she came back from that trip. What happened there, what did she see? Who knows. But there is little doubt in my mind that she would have seen something, or something happened to her where she was extorted or bribed or told to keep quiet.

When celebrities of the past speak out about things it never gets a lot of press. But there are horrible things that happen in Hollywood, and I believe Elijah Wood, Corey Feldman, Todd Bridges, etc. guys that like who have spoken out against it. Feldman said when he was a child star he was "surrounded" by pedophiles.

Anyway, this discussion takes a LOT longer than just a couple of paragraphs, but my thought is Tami was long being groomed for super stardom but didn't want the consequences that come with it. It goes beyond just a casting couch in Hollywood.

No question-nonces go where kids are & if they have total access & a hold over them like school teachers, clergy & the entertainment industry then it is a dream for them. Imagine handing your kid over to a bunch of random men at the age of 5-14 like the girl from Poltergeist, Britney, Christina etc.

Anyone surprised the Tami Lynn Leppert case hasn’t seemed to have been covered by any other true crime show?

I think its very interesting that this case has pretty much went cold from day one.

I feel like Tammy saw something she wasn't supposed to see and with her mental health issues someone made sure she wouldn't tell.

Tammy's future seemed really bright as well.

I think its very interesting that this case has pretty much went cold from day one.

I feel like Tammy saw something she wasn't supposed to see and with her mental health issues someone made sure she wouldn't tell.

Tammy's future seemed really bright as well.

The problem as another poster said is why wait so long? You would silence somebody quickly before they had the chance to spill the beans, not wait a year plus.

I think Occam's Razor applies here, attractive young woman either gets into an argument/tries to fight off an unwanted advance from somebody she knows, or gets into the wrong car hitchhiking. The mental health stuff/paranoia is just a distraction.

I'll disagree with half, but I can agree on some of the latter half. Tami was around a lot of men that had..................let's say, some poor intent with her. It didn't just start when she was 16.

Stole the words right out of my keyboard. In light of what is common knowledge now I would say it's highly probable that her breakdown was the result of either her own abuse as a child, or witnessing some other child being abused.

Stole the words right out of my keyboard. In light of what is common knowledge now I would say it's highly probable that her breakdown was the result of either her own abuse as a child, or witnessing some other child being abused.

Right. We'll never know the things she witnessed that weekend, but it was something that rattled her to her core. It explains why she didn't tell anyone. I suspect she would have been told not to tell a soul about it in exchange for a glamorous career.

No question-nonces go where kids are & if they have total access & a hold over them like school teachers, clergy & the entertainment industry then it is a dream for them. Imagine handing your kid over to a bunch of random men at the age of 5-14 like the girl from Poltergeist, Britney, Christina etc.

Oh yeah, poor Heather O'Rourke, her death was extremely suspicious. I think she was around a lot of bad men. Tami was too. There are things a girl like her quite often needs to do in order to succeed. Keep in mind, someone like Harvey Weinstein was publicly adored back in the day. Meryl Streep of all people called him "God" once. There always has, and there always will be guys like him to have control over women that want to be famous. And the things that often are done aren't pretty. We have only heard the tip of the iceberg in recent years.

Anyway, this is what I think Tami would have been struggling with. Does she want to continue in that sort of environment for her career or does she walk away? My guess is the paranoia was real and legit.

On a different note, even someone like Coolio is a good example of a guy who, before he died last year, revealed some things that other men wanted him to do in order to move on. Stuff he was appalled by.

Anyway, this is what I think Tami would have been struggling with. Does she want to continue in that sort of environment for her career or does she walk away? My guess is the paranoia was real and legit

I think her bigger problem was the fear of not making it. She allegedly won 280 of the 300 pageants she had been entered in from 4-16 years old, which is a ridiculous hit rate.

Now she likely had the Marilyn Monroe, Pamela Anderson etc conundrum-she was forever going to be cast as the blonde eye candy & was unlikely to become anything other than a bit player in Hollywood. Not only would that have been a problem for her, but also likely her mother.

The conventional wisdom would say that she hitchhiked with the wrong person and met with foul play. But I stumbled upon this (https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9bnvd2/shortly_after_filming_the_movie_spring_break/?limit=500) reddit thread. At the time of her disappearance, Tammy lived on Merritt Island. It's about a 10 minute drive to Cocoa Beach. The friend who dropped her off near a gas station told the police that Tammy told him that she was unhappy about living at home, slept with a knife under her pillow, her mother had committed her to a mental institution, and that she wanted to run away.

Tammy asked the friend for some money and a ride to Ft. Lauderdale. He claims to have given her $300, but when he declined the ride she started to freak out and demanded to be left out. He leaves her at the gas station and she calls her aunt and a friend who had a video store near where she was. Neither one of them answered the calls and she was never seen again. I'm going to assume that she left some sort of voicemails on this calls, or else how would anyone know that it was Tammy calling from that particular payphone?

She's telling various people that she's scared, she wants to run away, etc. She's calling people shortly after being dropped off at the gas station. What if the third person she called picked up and agreed to give her a ride to Ft. Lauderdale? According to Wikipedia, a detective received two calls in February of 1985 stating that Tammy was a live and attending nursing school. It should also be noted that the friend did not abandon Tammy in the middle of nowhere. She was about 5 miles from her home and it was 2 days removed from the 4th of July on a Wednesday afternoon. Her mother did not report her missing for a week. Is it that much of a stretch to think she managed to hitch a ride to somewhere in Florida and met with foul play elsewhere? Could she still be alive?

The conventional wisdom would say that she hitchhiked with the wrong person and met with foul play. But I stumbled upon this (https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9bnvd2/shortly_after_filming_the_movie_spring_break/?limit=500) reddit thread. At the time of her disappearance, Tammy lived on Merritt Island. It's about a 10 minute drive to Cocoa Beach. The friend who dropped her off near a gas station told the police that Tammy told him that she was unhappy about living at home, slept with a knife under her pillow, her mother had committed her to a mental institution, and that she wanted to run away.

Tammy asked the friend for some money and a ride to Ft. Lauderdale. He claims to have given her $300, but when he declined the ride she started to freak out and demanded to be left out. He leaves her at the gas station and she calls her aunt and a friend who had a video store near where she was. Neither one of them answered the calls and she was never seen again. I'm going to assume that she left some sort of voicemails on this calls, or else how would anyone know that it was Tammy calling from that particular payphone?

She's telling various people that she's scared, she wants to run away, etc. She's calling people shortly after being dropped off at the gas station. What if the third person she called picked up and agreed to give her a ride to Ft. Lauderdale? According to Wikipedia, a detective received two calls in February of 1985 stating that Tammy was a live and attending nursing school. It should also be noted that the friend did not abandon Tammy in the middle of nowhere. She was about 5 miles from her home and it was 2 days removed from the 4th of July on a Wednesday afternoon. Her mother did not report her missing for a week. Is it that much of a stretch to think she managed to hitch a ride to somewhere in Florida and met with foul play elsewhere? Could she still be alive?

All possibilities.

So the theory about Paul Land (the supposed ex-BF who may or may not have knocked her up) is pretty much nonsense then??

Link (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=367034&highlight=tammy+lynn+leppert)

So the theory about Paul Land (the supposed ex-BF who may or may not have knocked her up) is pretty much nonsense then??

Link (https://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?t=367034&highlight=tammy+lynn+leppert)

I've always thought that it was.

I never bought the "I let her out at the gas station" story. He knows more. A lot more.

The conventional wisdom would say that she hitchhiked with the wrong person and met with foul play. But I stumbled upon this (https://www.reddit.com/r/UnresolvedMysteries/comments/9bnvd2/shortly_after_filming_the_movie_spring_break/?limit=500) reddit thread. At the time of her disappearance, Tammy lived on Merritt Island. It's about a 10 minute drive to Cocoa Beach. The friend who dropped her off near a gas station told the police that Tammy told him that she was unhappy about living at home, slept with a knife under her pillow, her mother had committed her to a mental institution, and that she wanted to run away.

Tammy asked the friend for some money and a ride to Ft. Lauderdale. He claims to have given her $300, but when he declined the ride she started to freak out and demanded to be left out. He leaves her at the gas station and she calls her aunt and a friend who had a video store near where she was. Neither one of them answered the calls and she was never seen again. I'm going to assume that she left some sort of voicemails on this calls, or else how would anyone know that it was Tammy calling from that particular payphone?

She's telling various people that she's scared, she wants to run away, etc. She's calling people shortly after being dropped off at the gas station. What if the third person she called picked up and agreed to give her a ride to Ft. Lauderdale? According to Wikipedia, a detective received two calls in February of 1985 stating that Tammy was a live and attending nursing school. It should also be noted that the friend did not abandon Tammy in the middle of nowhere. She was about 5 miles from her home and it was 2 days removed from the 4th of July on a Wednesday afternoon. Her mother did not report her missing for a week. Is it that much of a stretch to think she managed to hitch a ride to somewhere in Florida and met with foul play elsewhere? Could she still be alive?

I always felt like someone took advantage of Tammy's state of mind at the time she was not well.

I still have issues with the friend who just left her. He should have went back to her mom's place and told her something was wrong with her daughter and he let her out of his car.

Tammy was experiencing the beginning stages of schizophrenia in my opinion. She was having delusions, hallucinations and was extremely paranoid. She needed not only psychiatric care she needed medication.

Do I think something happened to Tammy to trigger her mental illness? Absolutely. She could have been raped or witnessed something she was suffering from PTSD of some kind.

These type of events can trigger mental illness that is dormant in the body. I had a friend in college who was beat and car jacked for his brand new Mustang his parents had bought him. It triggered mental illness and he was never the same again. It hurt me deep because he is such a good person and friend to me but he ended up having to live in a group home.

I feel bad for Tammy and that no one was able to help her in time. Back then mental illness was very taboo.

Like so many cases on UM, I think we're missing pieces of the puzzle. Perhaps the mom and the friend aren't forthcoming with certain details.

I have always wondered if the mom ran Tammy off. Perhaps, she couldn't deal with Tammy and her mood swings and or behavior.

Like so many cases on UM, I think we're missing pieces of the puzzle. Perhaps the mom and the friend aren't forthcoming with certain details.

I have always wondered if the mom ran Tammy off. Perhaps, she couldn't deal with Tammy and her mood swings and or behavior.

Keep in mind mom was a stage mom. I think she was getting frustrated with Tammy because she was missing out on lucrative opportunities, but I don't think she ran her off. She seemed genuinely concerned for Tammy's mental health.

The mistake she made is allowing Tammy to go on all of these jobs without proper supervision. Something happened to Tammy that triggered her mental illness.

Keep in mind mom was a stage mom. I think she was getting frustrated with Tammy because she was missing out on lucrative opportunities, but I don't think she ran her off. She seemed genuinely concerned for Tammy's mental health.

The mistake she made is allowing Tammy to go on all of these jobs without proper supervision. Something happened to Tammy that triggered her mental illness.

It seems she DID have supervision the majority of the time, though. While filming 'Scarface,' she stayed with a family friend Walter Leibowitz, who was interviewed in the segment. This was in Miami, just a two-hour drive from Cocoa Beach. While filming 'Spring Break,' in Fort Lauderdale (also a two-hour drive from Coca Beach) I have to assume she was staying with someone as well.

The only instance we are told where she was unsupervised was the out-of-town weekend party she went to. It's frustrating that UM treats this as a throwaway line and never dissects it because they state she came back a different person and was essentially never the same, someone even her own mother didn't recognize.

If I'm one of her loved ones, I'm doing everything in my power to find out every single detail I can get about that weekend. Who she was with, who was at this party, etc. I want to know more.

Tammy was experiencing the beginning stages of schizophrenia in my opinion. She was having delusions, hallucinations and was extremely paranoid. She needed not only psychiatric care she needed medication.

Do I think something happened to Tammy to trigger her mental illness? Absolutely. She could have been raped or witnessed something she was suffering from PTSD of some kind.

I agree. I also wonder if she had experienced some sort of trauma during her years on the beauty pageant circuit. If she did, perhaps it contributed to her overall psychological state.

I'm not sure if anyone has seen this but I found it very interesting scroll up to 113
http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2017/DEC.html

I always felt like someone took advantage of Tammy's state of mind at the time she was not well.

I still have issues with the friend who just left her. He should have went back to her mom's place and told her something was wrong with her daughter and he let her out of his car.

Tammy was experiencing the beginning stages of schizophrenia in my opinion. She was having delusions, hallucinations and was extremely paranoid. She needed not only psychiatric care she needed medication.

Do I think something happened to Tammy to trigger her mental illness? Absolutely. She could have been raped or witnessed something she was suffering from PTSD of some kind.

These type of events can trigger mental illness that is dormant in the body. I had a friend in college who was beat and car jacked for his brand new Mustang his parents had bought him. It triggered mental illness and he was never the same again. It hurt me deep because he is such a good person and friend to me but he ended up having to live in a group home.

I feel bad for Tammy and that no one was able to help her in time. Back then mental illness was very taboo.


But her behaviour wasn't "normal" for someone who had been raped or had mental illness, being raped doesn't make you think your own mother is poisioning you and you ask someone to try your food right?

Based on everything i've read on this case, tammy seems to have changed like flicking a switch, that party she went to is key, because her mother and friends say that she went from being 100% fine and well and then came home from it a completely different person, a total 180. mental illness doesn't appear within 24 hours.

Theres countless stories of famous and non famous people taking one hit off some crazy drug during the 70s and 80s, just one hit and it changing the chemicals in their brain. some fleetwood mac member, lead singers took one tab at a german woodstock like event, just one! and never was the same, left the group, gave all his things away and spent the rest of his life rife with mental illness.

it's the only realistic theory.

Like so many cases on UM, I think we're missing pieces of the puzzle. Perhaps the mom and the friend aren't forthcoming with certain details.

I have always wondered if the mom ran Tammy off. Perhaps, she couldn't deal with Tammy and her mood swings and or behavior.

I think it might have been the opposite, which was how I perceived it in the segment. Tammy might have been burned out with her mom due to the constant pressure of modeling and acting. it's not hard to imagine what happened on the movie sets if you think about it. At minimum she probably was objectified in some way or saw other women experience that. Worse, she could have had something violent happen to her or witnessed it with someone else.

Tammy was at the age where a lot of child performers reach that burn out phase and start to rebel against their parents. not saying that indeed happened, but it's a theory of mine and it certainly could have led to Tammy having mental illness IMO.

I think both can be true: Tammy was burned out by the lifestyle of a young model and was also suffering from some form of mental illness. It's just a shame that there's no way to know who she called from that payphone after trying her aunt and her friend (if it was anyone at all). I suppose its possible that she attempted to hitchhike her way to Ft. Lauderdale and met with foul play that way, but she doesn't strike me as the person who would accept a ride from a stranger.

But her behaviour wasn't "normal" for someone who had been raped or had mental illness, being raped doesn't make you think your own mother is poisioning you and you ask someone to try your food right?

Based on everything i've read on this case, tammy seems to have changed like flicking a switch, that party she went to is key, because her mother and friends say that she went from being 100% fine and well and then came home from it a completely different person, a total 180. mental illness doesn't appear within 24 hours.

Theres countless stories of famous and non famous people taking one hit off some crazy drug during the 70s and 80s, just one hit and it changing the chemicals in their brain. some fleetwood mac member, lead singers took one tab at a german woodstock like event, just one! and never was the same, left the group, gave all his things away and spent the rest of his life rife with mental illness.

it's the only realistic theory.

If she really did change that sudden/quickly, then yeah, drugs would be the simplest & most plausible explanation.

I think after that weekend party, she snapped & tried to get out of town. While in that altered/diminished/vulnerable state, someone took advantage of & later killed her (probably someone who offered her a ride and/or the promise of more drugs)

I'm not sure if anyone has seen this but I found it very interesting scroll up to 113
http://www.agcwebpages.com/BLINDITEMS/2017/DEC.html

That guy is a clown-even said himself that only some of what he posts has any truth to it. From memory he also claimed that the young girl in Poltergeist was raped/abused to death by pedo abusers on a kids show where all the children were abused & nobody on set in any capacity reported it(yeah sure)-problem is that show ended 10 months before she died & we know she died from a congenital disorder.

Why is PL's death suspicious as he claims? He died of a brain tumour-likely caused by his alcoholism. He was in the mob just because he had a construction business? Also why would this sex addict when she agreed to have sex with him on a beach shoot her before getting it? Makes zero sense.

I wonder why Tami's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against serial killer Christopher Wilder for a million dollars, and that Tami's mother claims that a man resembling Wilder had come to their home in an effort to let him photograph Tami. He did the same ruse (modeling) with other victims and suspected victims.

I wonder why Tami's family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against serial killer Christopher Wilder for a million dollars, and that Tami's mother claims that a man resembling Wilder had come to their home in an effort to let him photograph Tami. He did the same ruse (modeling) with other victims and suspected victims.

I just wonder what the odds are Wilder was actually responsible for Tammy's disappearance. For the longest time, I thought his whereabouts for much of 1983 were not known. But apparently he did move to the area shortly before Tammy's disappearance. His known murder spree covered a relatively short span of time, just two months in early 1984. I doubt he started then and he had been known to have sexual misconduct incidents dating all the way back to the 60's I think.

Still it would seem like pretty long odds he'd just happen upon Tammy that day at the bank parking lot. I just wonder if he was known to frequent that immediate area or was known to be close by that day and how far he lived from where Tammy was last seen?

And Wilder was known to abduct his victims and keep them with him for awhile, so that would fit Tammy apparently making a couple of scared sounding phone calls to her home. But I can't remember how he disposed of his victims

On the other hand I still think there is just as good a chance the guy who picked her up from her Mom's house that day was involved as well. Without a body though impossible to know. I do think Tammy was the victim of foul play though and is no longer with us.

On the other hand I still think there is just as good a chance the guy who picked her up from her Mom's house that day was involved as well. Without a body though impossible to know. I do think Tammy was the victim of foul play though and is no longer with us.

I think this guy was ruled out by law enforcement. The UM segment makes it seem like he abandoned her in the middle of nowhere, but in reality, he let her out at a convenience store that had a payphone (and IIRC gave her a couple hundred dollars). We know she was at this store because she made 3 phone calls to her aunt's business and left 3 voicemails. Her aunt was out of town, but her business was a half a mile south of where the male friend dropped her off. According to this (https://www.solvethecase.org/case/1983-1/tammy-lynn-leppert) website, she was last seen about .2 miles south of the gas station where she was dropped off. IMO, she tried calling her aunt's business 3 times because it was in the area, and when no one answered, she headed out in that direction. I think she was picked up by someone. What's never made any sense to me is that her friend dropped her off at around 3 o'clock in the afternoon of July 6th, 1983. She was not reported missing until July 11th.

ETA: Tammy also called a friend of hers that owned a video store near where she was dropped off. He too did not answer. My best guess is that the cops verified that these phone calls took place after her male friend had dropped her off, which is why they ruled him out as a suspect.

I think this guy was ruled out by law enforcement. The UM segment makes it seem like he abandoned her in the middle of nowhere, but in reality, he let her out at a convenience store that had a payphone (and IIRC gave her a couple hundred dollars). We know she was at this store because she made 3 phone calls to her aunt's business and left 3 voicemails. Her aunt was out of town, but her business was a half a mile south of where the male friend dropped her off. According to this (https://www.solvethecase.org/case/1983-1/tammy-lynn-leppert) website, she was last seen about .2 miles south of the gas station where she was dropped off. IMO, she tried calling her aunt's business 3 times because it was in the area, and when no one answered, she headed out in that direction. I think she was picked up by someone. What's never made any sense to me is that her friend dropped her off at around 3 o'clock in the afternoon of July 6th, 1983. She was not reported missing until July 11th.

ETA: Tammy also called a friend of hers that owned a video store near where she was dropped off. He too did not answer. My best guess is that the cops verified that these phone calls took place after her male friend had dropped her off, which is why they ruled him out as a suspect.

That makes sense then. I always got the impression it was a bank she was dropped off at. I'm not sure why the segment didn't mention the calls, almost like they wanted viewers to think that this guy who picked her up may have been involved because it did paint a picture that their relationship was tenuous at best.

I'm not surprised she wasn't reported missing for several days. I got the impression her mom and other adult family members had little supervision over her life, that she did pretty much what she wanted when she wanted to and with whoever. of course she was 18 at the time but I get the sense it was probably like this through most of her teen years. Her mom seemed like more of a bestie and a modeling agent when she needed a mother instead. And the segment doesn't even mention her father so God only knows what his story was. That's why it was hard to muster a lot of sympathy for her mom. I think this kind of lifestyle created for her may well have led to her death. This probably is a dream upbringing for most kids but not really good as it rarely turns out well in the long run.

But that's a discussion for another day. I am curious to know how far away Wilder lived from where she was dropped off and if he may have been involved. Sadly we may never have known the truth. I don't think she ran off though or she would have surfaced by now.

But that's a discussion for another day. I am curious to know how far away Wilder lived from where she was dropped off and if he may have been involved. Sadly we may never have known the truth. I don't think she ran off though or she would have surfaced by now.

Wilder lived about two hours south of Cocoa Beach. What I can't wrap my head around is her family filing the million dollar lawsuit against him in 1984, and claiming that he would come over to their house and ask about doing photo shoots with Tammy...only to then drop the lawsuit and walk back the claims. Was it a scam to get money?

That makes sense then. I always got the impression it was a bank she was dropped off at. I'm not sure why the segment didn't mention the calls, almost like they wanted viewers to think that this guy who picked her up may have been involved because it did paint a picture that their relationship was tenuous at best.

I'm not surprised she wasn't reported missing for several days. I got the impression her mom and other adult family members had little supervision over her life, that she did pretty much what she wanted when she wanted to and with whoever. of course she was 18 at the time but I get the sense it was probably like this through most of her teen years. Her mom seemed like more of a bestie and a modeling agent when she needed a mother instead. And the segment doesn't even mention her father so God only knows what his story was. That's why it was hard to muster a lot of sympathy for her mom. I think this kind of lifestyle created for her may well have led to her death. This probably is a dream upbringing for most kids but not really good as it rarely turns out well in the long run.

But that's a discussion for another day. I am curious to know how far away Wilder lived from where she was dropped off and if he may have been involved. Sadly we may never have known the truth. I don't think she ran off though or she would have surfaced by now.

To your point, I just finished watching "Bad Influence: The Dark Side of Kidfluencing" on Netflix.

For those who have not seen it, it relates to Tami Lynn's story in that it involves pushy parents who encouraged their kids to become YouTube stars, including a nightmare of a mom that sexually abused the kids and did stuff that you'd never get away with on a TV or movie shoot (it's on video) because it's YouTube and unregulated. The other moms in the miniseries swear they didn't know--but they weren't allowed to be at the shoot. RED FLAG. What happened to those kids absolutely wrecked them. And that was YouTube where this stuff is pretty much a free-for-all (although YouTube demonetized the original channel that all this took place on). The entertainment industry may have guidelines in place, and there are child labor laws and sexploitation laws, but there's still so much that goes on. None of the kids in the Netflix series ran off or disappeared, but one of them was estranged from his mom thanks to Tiffany Lewis the Momager-from-hell who got sued, the FBI got involved but didn't prosecute because they didn't think they could win, and Tiffany's daughter is still doing videos but her former friends and family say she's being exploited. She has the equivalent of an OnlyFans page!

I'm not sure if Tami Lynn's mom pushed her to be the family cash cow or a child star or not. It's really not clear. I'm also not sure if Tami Lynn was suffering from schizophrenia combined with drugs from that party or if she really did see something criminal.

Bottom line: Hollywood can be an ugly business for child stars, it's the reason the Jackie Coogan Laws were passed regulating what is and is not allowed with kid actors. And becoming that famous that quickly can warp people's perspective. Suddenly all that matters is the fame. Even if Tami was supervised except for that party, you don't know how good that supervision was.

The mom says in the segment, "well, she was going to California for three months and that's as far away from me as you can get, so she really didn't run away."

I understand the argument, but that brings up the whole "bestie/momager" angle you mention. She's still in this pressure cooker of an industry and something happened at a party where she went by herself and you don't know why her behavior changed. That is sweeping the issue under the rug. WHY would you be OK with her going to California without family when you had to hospitalize her for mental health for 72 hours and she thought her food was poisoned? This makes no sense to me. Maybe they didn't know how to deal with potential schizophrenia and thought "everything will be fine now," but that's no excuse either. Even if someone is 18, they are still your child and you are still responsible for them. They're not adults yet. And for many parents, that feeling of responsibility does not stop when the child turns 18 or 21.

To your point, I just finished watching "Bad Influence: The Dark Side of Kidfluencing" on Netflix.

For those who have not seen it, it relates to Tami Lynn's story in that it involves pushy parents who encouraged their kids to become YouTube stars, including a nightmare of a mom that sexually abused the kids and did stuff that you'd never get away with on a TV or movie shoot (it's on video) because it's YouTube and unregulated. The other moms in the miniseries swear they didn't know--but they weren't allowed to be at the shoot. RED FLAG. What happened to those kids absolutely wrecked them. And that was YouTube where this stuff is pretty much a free-for-all (although YouTube demonetized the original channel that all this took place on). The entertainment industry may have guidelines in place, and there are child labor laws and sexploitation laws, but there's still so much that goes on. None of the kids in the Netflix series ran off or disappeared, but one of them was estranged from his mom thanks to Tiffany Lewis the Momager-from-hell who got sued, the FBI got involved but didn't prosecute because they didn't think they could win, and Tiffany's daughter is still doing videos but her former friends and family say she's being exploited. She has the equivalent of an OnlyFans page!

I'm not sure if Tami Lynn's mom pushed her to be the family cash cow or a child star or not. It's really not clear. I'm also not sure if Tami Lynn was suffering from schizophrenia combined with drugs from that party or if she really did see something criminal.

Bottom line: Hollywood can be an ugly business for child stars, it's the reason the Jackie Coogan Laws were passed regulating what is and is not allowed with kid actors. And becoming that famous that quickly can warp people's perspective. Suddenly all that matters is the fame. Even if Tami was supervised except for that party, you don't know how good that supervision was.

The mom says in the segment, "well, she was going to California for three months and that's as far away from me as you can get, so she really didn't run away."

I understand the argument, but that brings up the whole "bestie/momager" angle you mention. She's still in this pressure cooker of an industry and something happened at a party where she went by herself and you don't know why her behavior changed. That is sweeping the issue under the rug. WHY would you be OK with her going to California without family when you had to hospitalize her for mental health for 72 hours and she thought her food was poisoned? This makes no sense to me. Maybe they didn't know how to deal with potential schizophrenia and thought "everything will be fine now," but that's no excuse either. Even if someone is 18, they are still your child and you are still responsible for them. They're not adults yet. And for many parents, that feeling of responsibility does not stop when the child turns 18 or 21.



When it comes to this case there is a very important common denominator.

It's that everyone, friends, family and people she worked with all say that before she went to that hollywood party she was healthy, fun loving and normal.... so what happened?

Theres a pivot here, some people claim that she saw some satanic hollywierdo stuff... but how would that make her question her own mother and her cooking? which she seemed to believe was poisioned?

Some people look to blame her mother, but how would that cause her freak out on set? or have her beliveing that someone was watching her outside in a mirrored windowed van?

So that leaves us with mental illness right? but mental illness doesn't appear that fast. it's pretty much overnight, after that party..

the only logic explaination is that she took some drug that really messed with the chemicals in her brain. sometimes all hit off a drug is all it takes.

When it comes to this case there is a very important common denominator.

It's that everyone, friends, family and people she worked with all say that before she went to that hollywood party she was healthy, fun loving and normal.... so what happened?

Theres a pivot here, some people claim that she saw some satanic hollywierdo stuff... but how would that make her question her own mother and her cooking? which she seemed to believe was poisioned?

Some people look to blame her mother, but how would that cause her freak out on set? or have her beliveing that someone was watching her outside in a mirrored windowed van?

So that leaves us with mental illness right? but mental illness doesn't appear that fast. it's pretty much overnight, after that party..

the only logic explaination is that she took some drug that really messed with the chemicals in her brain. sometimes all hit off a drug is all it takes.
Okay, that theory holds up. You can't underestimate how drugs can mess up your brain.

See, this is one of the cases I mentioned on another thread where there are all kinds of ways you can look at the case and draw your own conclusions.

Okay, that theory holds up. You can't underestimate how drugs can mess up your brain.

See, this is one of the cases I mentioned on another thread where there are all kinds of ways you can look at the case and draw your own conclusions.


I think it depends somewhat, there are cases that people will come to a conclusion no matter how much the evidence points to them not being right.

It's like the case of cindy james, i think it's almost impossible for someone to straight out say that she either did it to herself or that someone stalked and killed her and these are the cases that will always be talked about more because they are never open and shut.

This case in my opinion, the case of tammy lynn leppert, only has one realistic scenario. a funny loving normal girl who everyone adored doesn't change other night unless theres a reason. her bizarre paranoid even schezophrenic behaviour had to be drug releated because it affected pretty much all those she came into contact with.

Someone else mentions one of the first members of fleetwood mac who went to a german woodstock like a event and just one hit off some wierd LSD like drug was never the same again and spent the rest of his life with mental health problems.

thats exactly what happened to tammy.

I still think there was trouble within the home. Only her mother and Wing ever reported any of these mental disturbances. I didn't know Curtis also had a son who went missing too. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/0*0s0vbKfa5IdqVZZw

I still think there was trouble within the home. Only her mother and Wing ever reported any of these mental disturbances. I didn't know Curtis also had a son who went missing too. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/0*0s0vbKfa5IdqVZZw


Not true,

it was her friend who reported that she came home from that party "a completely different person" and "acting strange"

on the set of scarface we're told she "freaked out"

The last time anybody saw her was in the car when she had an "episode" and just stormed off..

Various friends of hers have said that something happened to her at that party and it clearly did.

We have no real evidence that something bad was taking place in the home, when she returned back from that party, her mother took her to a clinic who kept her in for 72 hours. the mother and the stepbrother guy did the UM episode...

hardly the actions of guilty people and a terrible home life... again, before this party she was the fun loving all american girl. so what happened?

the party is key, some of suggested she saw some satanic type stuff.. but how would that make her act like she did?

the only rational answer is a drug that messed with her brain chemstry and the 70s and 80s are full of similar events.

To your point, I just finished watching "Bad Influence: The Dark Side of Kidfluencing" on Netflix.

For those who have not seen it, it relates to Tami Lynn's story in that it involves pushy parents who encouraged their kids to become YouTube stars, including a nightmare of a mom that sexually abused the kids and did stuff that you'd never get away with on a TV or movie shoot (it's on video) because it's YouTube and unregulated. The other moms in the miniseries swear they didn't know--but they weren't allowed to be at the shoot. RED FLAG. What happened to those kids absolutely wrecked them. And that was YouTube where this stuff is pretty much a free-for-all (although YouTube demonetized the original channel that all this took place on). The entertainment industry may have guidelines in place, and there are child labor laws and sexploitation laws, but there's still so much that goes on. None of the kids in the Netflix series ran off or disappeared, but one of them was estranged from his mom thanks to Tiffany Lewis the Momager-from-hell who got sued, the FBI got involved but didn't prosecute because they didn't think they could win, and Tiffany's daughter is still doing videos but her former friends and family say she's being exploited. She has the equivalent of an OnlyFans page!

I'm not sure if Tami Lynn's mom pushed her to be the family cash cow or a child star or not. It's really not clear. I'm also not sure if Tami Lynn was suffering from schizophrenia combined with drugs from that party or if she really did see something criminal.

Bottom line: Hollywood can be an ugly business for child stars, it's the reason the Jackie Coogan Laws were passed regulating what is and is not allowed with kid actors. And becoming that famous that quickly can warp people's perspective. Suddenly all that matters is the fame. Even if Tami was supervised except for that party, you don't know how good that supervision was.

The mom says in the segment, "well, she was going to California for three months and that's as far away from me as you can get, so she really didn't run away."

I understand the argument, but that brings up the whole "bestie/momager" angle you mention. She's still in this pressure cooker of an industry and something happened at a party where she went by herself and you don't know why her behavior changed. That is sweeping the issue under the rug. WHY would you be OK with her going to California without family when you had to hospitalize her for mental health for 72 hours and she thought her food was poisoned? This makes no sense to me. Maybe they didn't know how to deal with potential schizophrenia and thought "everything will be fine now," but that's no excuse either. Even if someone is 18, they are still your child and you are still responsible for them. They're not adults yet. And for many parents, that feeling of responsibility does not stop when the child turns 18 or 21.

I see what you're saying, but as far as the law is concerned yes she is an adult at that point. I'm obviously not saying that's a magic age where someone no longer needs their family or parents. In fact more often than not people that age do. I think its pretty clear Tammy needed help from her family despite her being 18 at that point. Help that she may never have gotten.

Of course, we still don't know with absolute certainty what happened to Tammy, and my assessment of her home life might be totally off. Maybe her mom was better than I think and she was just a spoiled brat who ran away and to hell with what anyone thought about it or who missed her and decided to leave her family wondering what happened to her. But everything we know points the other way. And I suspect that's exactly what happened to her.

As for the party where she allegedly changed almost overnight, that may be so. Like I said this kind of lifestyle can be fun for a season but the drawbacks can come later on and that might be what happened in Tammy's case. Jon Benet Ramsey also comes to mind she had a very similar childhood I suspect to Tammy and tragically met her demise a lot younger. But children should never be put in situations where there is any hint of sexualizing them period. Even if people have good intentions I think it rarely turns out well.

But the party is another thing where there are a ton of unknowns. It just mostly raises more questions than it answers: who was at the party? Was anyone from the party questioned? Who invited her to the party she had to have known someone there? Can anyone there be tied to the area where she disappeared around the time? Was anyone at the party connected with any of the known money laundering investigations they claim were going on? We simply don't know and none of these questions were really answered in the segment or any other source so far as I know. So its impossible to say how this might have effected her or whether it had any connection to her death. We can speculate the authorities may have looked into these things but there is no way to know for sure.

I personally would wager while the party might have effected her badly, it might not have had any connection with her death. I think its more likely some random scumbag saw a sick opportunity ana abducted her and it was a sexually motivated homicide. Might or might not have been Chris Wilder, but I'm fairly certain there were other serial killers active in that area at the time as well. Sadly its unlikely we will ever know the truth. Especially if it was Wilder who is long dead.

Not true,

the only rational answer is a drug that messed with her brain chemstry and the 70s and 80s are full of similar events.

Wouldn't they have tested her for any kind of drug like that when she was taking to the clinic? There was no mention of her being under the influence of any kind of drugs.

I still think there was trouble within the home. Only her mother and Wing ever reported any of these mental disturbances. I didn't know Curtis also had a son who went missing too. https://miro.medium.com/v2/resize:fit:720/format:webp/0*0s0vbKfa5IdqVZZw

That...certainly complicates things.

Wouldn't they have tested her for any kind of drug like that when she was taking to the clinic? There was no mention of her being under the influence of any kind of drugs.


The thing is this was 1983, I'm not even sure what type of clinic it was, but an all america beauty queen who on the surface of it, i mean physically looks fine, gets taken to this clinic or whatever it was and was more than likely told by the mother "she's not been feeling herself"

She was only 18, i mean this was a different time, would they have done drug tests on her?

And if they did, would the tests have shown LSD in her system? her mother wouldnt have taken her to hospital the second she arrived home right? she'd have had to see her strange behaviour over the space of at least 24 hours or so to then to be worried enough..

I mean do we know how long the mother waited to take her to get looked at? even if they did do drug testing, it could have been out of her system

But when it comes to this case, peter green comes to mind, a member of fleetwood mac, went to germany while on tour, went to some woodstock like event in bavaria and just ONE hit of LSD there and was never the same again, he was in and out of mental hospitals all his life, paranoia...

Mick fleetwood said "just one tab and he never came back"

it's the only reasonable explaination, because nothing else can make a person change overnight.

Information about all of this was provided in both the segment and articles online. It was the incident where she broke the window with the baseball bat that prompted her mother to check Tammy in to the Brevard County Mental Health Center for a complete physical and psychiatric evaluation. Doctors found no alcohol or drugs in her system. She was then placed under observation for 72 hours before being released to go home.

I don't sense any drug use being her problem. Her paranoia went off and on for several months. Her breakdown and response on the set of Scarface was a huge red flag in hindsight, especially when she ended up talking to the police and suddenly doing a 180 and apparently never revealing she thought her life was in danger. Her thinking her relatives were trying to poison her was something that should have been taken more seriously as well.

In the end, while I do believe fully that she had some psychotic break (or multiple ones over time), her fate ended up being nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time and she was the victim of foul play. Whomever picked her up after being dropped off at the Glass Bank killed her and disposed her somewhere in the bay.

Information about all of this was provided in both the segment and articles online. It was the incident where she broke the window with the baseball bat that prompted her mother to check Tammy in to the Brevard County Mental Health Center for a complete physical and psychiatric evaluation. Doctors found no alcohol or drugs in her system. She was then placed under observation for 72 hours before being released to go home.

I don't sense any drug use being her problem. Her paranoia went off and on for several months. Her breakdown and response on the set of Scarface was a huge red flag in hindsight, especially when she ended up talking to the police and suddenly doing a 180 and apparently never revealing she thought her life was in danger. Her thinking her relatives were trying to poison her was something that should have been taken more seriously as well.

In the end, while I do believe fully that she had some psychotic break (or multiple ones over time), her fate ended up being nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time and she was the victim of foul play. Whomever picked her up after being dropped off at the Glass Bank killed her and disposed her somewhere in the bay.




Mmmmm I dunno, I think what you've said in many ways denies reality when it comes to these things. I mean when someone has what you've described you see little signs, theres a history of these things, of not being able to cope with certain things in life which goes back years...

We're essentially told that Tammy for 18 years was the quinessential americas sweetheart, happy, normal, everyone loved her...but then she goes away on the friday like that and comes back on the monday a complete nut job.

That's not very realistic. reading about this case, friends and family all say the same thing "before the party she was fine and then she came home totally different"

This has made people come with up theories that see saw some hollywood satanic death rituals! i personally don't believe that, because that wouldn't make you question your mother and if she was poisioning you right?

Something happened at that party, i don't believe she was a drug addict, i don't even believe that "use" is the right word, someone could have one time slipped something into her drink that messed with her brain. and theres plenty of examples of going back to the 70s and 80s.

But the idea that for 18 years she was carefree, normal, happy... the goes to a party and comes back acting the way she did...as a coincidence... naaa.

Information about all of this was provided in both the segment and articles online. It was the incident where she broke the window with the baseball bat that prompted her mother to check Tammy in to the Brevard County Mental Health Center for a complete physical and psychiatric evaluation. Doctors found no alcohol or drugs in her system. She was then placed under observation for 72 hours before being released to go home.

I don't sense any drug use being her problem. Her paranoia went off and on for several months. Her breakdown and response on the set of Scarface was a huge red flag in hindsight, especially when she ended up talking to the police and suddenly doing a 180 and apparently never revealing she thought her life was in danger. Her thinking her relatives were trying to poison her was something that should have been taken more seriously as well.

In the end, while I do believe fully that she had some psychotic break (or multiple ones over time), her fate ended up being nothing more than being in the wrong place at the wrong time and she was the victim of foul play. Whomever picked her up after being dropped off at the Glass Bank killed her and disposed her somewhere in the bay.

I agree with all of this. Not sure about where she was disposed, but, the rest of it rings true to me. This is one of those cases where multiple things can be true at once.

Not true,

it was her friend who reported that she came home from that party "a completely different person" and "acting strange"

on the set of scarface we're told she "freaked out"

The last time anybody saw her was in the car when she had an "episode" and just stormed off..

Various friends of hers have said that something happened to her at that party and it clearly did.

We have no real evidence that something bad was taking place in the home, when she returned back from that party, her mother took her to a clinic who kept her in for 72 hours. the mother and the stepbrother guy did the UM episode...

hardly the actions of guilty people and a terrible home life... again, before this party she was the fun loving all american girl. so what happened?

the party is key, some of suggested she saw some satanic type stuff.. but how would that make her act like she did?

the only rational answer is a drug that messed with her brain chemstry and the 70s and 80s are full of similar events.

Wing was the friend who said she came back from the party a different person and the guy who drove her to the beach just said they got in an argument, not that she seemed paranoid.

Wing was the friend who said she came back from the party a different person and the guy who drove her to the beach just said they got in an argument, not that she seemed paranoid.

It was clearly much more than just an "argument" according to what we're shown on the UM segment she got all irrational and demanded to be let out of the car without shoes on...

According to books and websites she then rushes to an exxon gas station where she makes 3 "frantic" calls to her aunt leaving messages on the answer machine all within the space of a couple of minutes..

Then instead of simply returning home, she disappears forever.. factor all those things in, and obviously she was acting paranoid and irrationally.

It was clearly much more than just an "argument" according to what we're shown on the UM segment she got all irrational and demanded to be let out of the car without shoes on...

According to books and websites she then rushes to an exxon gas station where she makes 3 "frantic" calls to her aunt leaving messages on the answer machine all within the space of a couple of minutes..

Then instead of simply returning home, she disappears forever.. factor all those things in, and obviously she was acting paranoid and irrationally.

UM dramatized that. She had shoes and her driver friend hadn't said anything about her being crazy. Holding her after she asked to be let out would be a crime and her calling in for rides isn't irrational. Tammy didn't just call her aunt but also another friend who didn't answer plus I believe a third call that hasn't been identified and may be key to the case.

UM dramatized that. She had shoes and her driver friend hadn't said anything about her being crazy. Holding her after she asked to be let out would be a crime and her calling in for rides isn't irrational. Tammy didn't just call her aunt but also another friend who didn't answer plus I believe a third call that hasn't been identified and may be key to the case.


According to various sources she left 3 "frantic" voicemails on her aunts answer machine... if you're saying she made more calls then i dunno..

As for saying that UM dramtized what happened. well how do we know that? how do we know it was more dramatic or less dramatic then what we're shown?

Everything i've read on this says she left the car barefooted.

It's impossible to come to a conclusion on a case when theres so much relativism or people change the course of events or even reality to make a theory fit.

We're universally told that tammy was 100% fine and normal up until that party, in order to make some theories fit "maybe she was mentally ill", but people don't get struck down with mental illness like they do with the flu. you show signs of it before, maybe small signs... you don't come home one day acting like she did unless an event triggered it.

People then could argue "well maybe her mom lied, maybe her mom ignorned it.."

maybe.. but and although i love to have theories and speculate, you need to have some base of truth and events to work with, because if you watch this segment of UM or read a website you dont like and then say "well all that didn't happen..."

then you could pretty much argue anything.

According to various sources she left 3 "frantic" voicemails on her aunts answer machine... if you're saying she made more calls then i dunno..

As for saying that UM dramtized what happened. well how do we know that? how do we know it was more dramatic or less dramatic then what we're shown?

Everything i've read on this says she left the car barefooted.

It's impossible to come to a conclusion on a case when theres so much relativism or people change the course of events or even reality to make a theory fit.

We're universally told that tammy was 100% fine and normal up until that party, in order to make some theories fit "maybe she was mentally ill", but people don't get struck down with mental illness like they do with the flu. you show signs of it before, maybe small signs... you don't come home one day acting like she did unless an event triggered it.

People then could argue "well maybe her mom lied, maybe her mom ignorned it.."

maybe.. but and although i love to have theories and speculate, you need to have some base of truth and events to work with, because if you watch this segment of UM or read a website you dont like and then say "well all that didn't happen..."

then you could pretty much argue anything.

Her missing poster mentions she had flip flops. https://www.missingkids.org/poster/NCMC/1180588/1

In addition to the calls to the aunt, she also called her friend Ron Abeles and I believe a third party who hasn't been identified.

Again, her argument with Keith Roberts was over wanting to borrow $300 and to be driven to a friend's place in Ft Lauderdale. This coupled with the fact that nothing says she tried to call her mother, I think she really intended to run away because of problems in her home. Both Roberts and Abeles had indicated Linda was very aggressive with Tammy's pageants and acting career and there was much tension there.
https://morbidology.com/the-missing-beauty-queen-tammy-lynn-leppert/

Her missing poster mentions she had flip flops. https://www.missingkids.org/poster/NCMC/1180588/1

In addition to the calls to the aunt, she also called her friend Ron Abeles and I believe a third party who hasn't been identified.

Again, her argument with Keith Roberts was over wanting to borrow $300 and to be driven to a friend's place in Ft Lauderdale. This coupled with the fact that nothing says she tried to call her mother, I think she really intended to run away because of problems in her home. Both Roberts and Abeles had indicated Linda was very aggressive with Tammy's pageants and acting career and there was much tension there.
https://morbidology.com/the-missing-beauty-queen-tammy-lynn-leppert/


Maybe, The thing is, you and i have no personal relation to this case, we don't know tammy and we don't know the family and we weren't there.

So we have to base our theories on what we've read online or this segment of unsolved mysteries. so one thing tells us that tammy didn't have shoes on, i mean if you search "tammy lynn leppert shoeless" you can find news outlets and websites theres 1000s of websites that say she didn't have shoes on...

https://doenetwork.org/cases/211dffl.html

https://charleyproject.org/case/tammy-lynn-leppert

so one person will say she was barefoot if it fits their theory and another will say she wasn't if it fits theirs... and lets be honest, how would we really know for sure?

If theres enough websites and the charleyproject saying it, then theres enough of a DOUBT... because you don't just pick "she was shoeless" out of thin air right?

but in someways it doesn't even matter, the big question is, if before she went to that party and away for the weekend she was 100% fine and normal and then when she came home she started acting like she did. because mental illness doesn't appear one weekend like a case of covid... it just doesnt...

Thats what we need to establish, i don't doubt she had a pushy mother, but would that make her have that freak out on the set of scarface? would that make her believe a van was outside with tinted glass watching her? because of a pushy mother? the answer is no.

and while it's tempting to say "maybe the mother was lying, maybe wing was lying..." it just gets silly if we call BS on every part of this and then invent our own version of it. i could easily say that the phone calls she made to her aunt "were from a payphine o'hare airport in chicago and she fled to france"

if we're denying everything we're told and inventing whatever we like, then whats the difference?

Maybe, The thing is, you and i have no personal relation to this case, we don't know tammy and we don't know the family and we weren't there.

So we have to base our theories on what we've read online or this segment of unsolved mysteries. so one thing tells us that tammy didn't have shoes on, i mean if you search "tammy lynn leppert shoeless" you can find news outlets and websites theres 1000s of websites that say she didn't have shoes on...

https://doenetwork.org/cases/211dffl.html

https://charleyproject.org/case/tammy-lynn-leppert

so one person will say she was barefoot if it fits their theory and another will say she wasn't if it fits theirs... and lets be honest, how would we really know for sure?

If theres enough websites and the charleyproject saying it, then theres enough of a DOUBT... because you don't just pick "she was shoeless" out of thin air right?

but in someways it doesn't even matter, the big question is, if before she went to that party and away for the weekend she was 100% fine and normal and then when she came home she started acting like she did. because mental illness doesn't appear one weekend like a case of covid... it just doesnt...

Thats what we need to establish, i don't doubt she had a pushy mother, but would that make her have that freak out on the set of scarface? would that make her believe a van was outside with tinted glass watching her? because of a pushy mother? the answer is no.

and while it's tempting to say "maybe the mother was lying, maybe wing was lying..." it just gets silly if we call BS on every part of this and then invent our own version of it. i could easily say that the phone calls she made to her aunt "were from a payphine o'hare airport in chicago and she fled to france"

if we're denying everything we're told and inventing whatever we like, then whats the difference?

According to one of the links: "Leppert also confided in her friend, Rick Adams, that she believed somebody was going to kill her. 'I knew it wasn’t drugs. I can say for sure that Tammy wasn’t into drugs. She didn’t even drink,' he recalled."

Now, two things can be true at once. She may not have been taking drugs or on drugs pre-party. BUT it is so easy to slip something into someone's drink. And this was a wild party in the 1980s--I doubt there was as much awareness around "don't leave your drink unattended, don't accept a drink from someone, especially someone you don't know." Today you have young people taking pills that they don't know are laced with Fentanyl. So the theory that she took a drug at the party is valid. And it would probably have been out of her system when she was hospitalized.

So, I guess the logical assumption is that after becoming increasingly paranoid, she argued with her friend who dropped her off, walked off barefoot, and met up with unsavory characters?

According to one of the links: "Leppert also confided in her friend, Rick Adams, that she believed somebody was going to kill her. 'I knew it wasn’t drugs. I can say for sure that Tammy wasn’t into drugs. She didn’t even drink,' he recalled."

Now, two things can be true at once. She may not have been taking drugs or on drugs pre-party. BUT it is so easy to slip something into someone's drink. And this was a wild party in the 1980s--I doubt there was as much awareness around "don't leave your drink unattended, don't accept a drink from someone, especially someone you don't know." Today you have young people taking pills that they don't know are laced with Fentanyl. So the theory that she took a drug at the party is valid. And it would probably have been out of her system when she was hospitalized.

So, I guess the logical assumption is that after becoming increasingly paranoid, she argued with her friend who dropped her off, walked off barefoot, and met up with unsavory characters?




What makes me believe that drugs lead to her paranoia or whatever you want to call it, is how we're told that for 18 years tammy was fine, normal, happy and without problems and then returns home from a party acting the way she did.

Common sense tells us that mental illness doesn't appear overnight right? it's not like flicking a switch.... unless some drug maybe LSD messed with her brain chemstry so much that she did a complete 180..

and there are many stories of that from the 1970s and 80s, peter green from fleetwood mac took one hit of LSD and was never the same again, he became mentally ill.

We don't have any reason to believe that tammy was a drug addict, but a hollywood party in the 1980s? i mean what was the movie scarface all about?! DRUGS!

someone could have slipped it into her drink, or she could have simply thought "i'll try it once" and that was the first and only time ending with lethal consequences... it happens a lot. it happens daily!

Tammys behaviour wasn't the product of a pushy mom, that wouldn't cause her to act like the way we're told, that wouldn't have her thinking someone was outside in a van watching her.

Wing said she came back from the party a different person....and i actually believe him, and although it's easy to say that the mom lied, wing lied...if we call everyone liars, even UM for overdramitizing the segment, then we can essentially rewrite all this to fit OUR narrative. if everyone in involved is lying i could claim anything and everything.

So the party is key! what happened there? and only one thing can make a person go from fine to mentally unwell within 24 hours... drugs.

What makes me believe that drugs lead to her paranoia or whatever you want to call it, is how we're told that for 18 years tammy was fine, normal, happy and without problems and then returns home from a party acting the way she did.

Common sense tells us that mental illness doesn't appear overnight right? it's not like flicking a switch.... unless some drug maybe LSD messed with her brain chemstry so much that she did a complete 180..

and there are many stories of that from the 1970s and 80s, peter green from fleetwood mac took one hit of LSD and was never the same again, he became mentally ill.

We don't have any reason to believe that tammy was a drug addict, but a hollywood party in the 1980s? i mean what was the movie scarface all about?! DRUGS!

someone could have slipped it into her drink, or she could have simply thought "i'll try it once" and that was the first and only time ending with lethal consequences... it happens a lot. it happens daily!

Tammys behaviour wasn't the product of a pushy mom, that wouldn't cause her to act like the way we're told, that wouldn't have her thinking someone was outside in a van watching her.

Wing said she came back from the party a different person....and i actually believe him, and although it's easy to say that the mom lied, wing lied...if we call everyone liars, even UM for overdramitizing the segment, then we can essentially rewrite all this to fit OUR narrative. if everyone in involved is lying i could claim anything and everything.

So the party is key! what happened there? and only one thing can make a person go from fine to mentally unwell within 24 hours... drugs.

Which is why I don't understand one thing. Several people on this thread have pointed out one flaw in the investigation: why wouldn't LE and/or the family investigate what happened at that party? If that's when your loved one just completely flipped out, wouldn't you ask who was at that party, what happened, who she interacted with, what she had to eat and drink, and most of all, whether she took anything? None of this was ever mentioned in the segment or the articles.

Which is why I don't understand one thing. Several people on this thread have pointed out one flaw in the investigation: why wouldn't LE and/or the family investigate what happened at that party? If that's when your loved one just completely flipped out, wouldn't you ask who was at that party, what happened, who she interacted with, what she had to eat and drink, and most of all, whether she took anything? None of this was ever mentioned in the segment or the articles.



Let's assume i'm right and one way or another she took LSD or something similar, it messed with her brain chemstry and her made her paranoid, well if she took something on the friday or saturday, then came home on the monday, then after 2 or 3 days or tammy acting strange they took her to the doctor, thats 5 days, so...

1. the drugs are out of her system

2. i don't believe they'd say "take a drugs test" to her anyway

and 3. would a drug test in 1983 be advanced enough to detect a drug like that?


when it comes to linking her sudden radical change in behavior to the party, although it's obvious, it's not an exact science right?

the drugs are never going to be in her system, even if they were, could they find them?

It would have been a little bizarre for the cops to think "well she believes that someone is spying on her in a van and she's just smashed the window with the baseball bat... so it must be that party"

i think that 50-60 years of these drugs have given us some perspective and evidence of how they can affect people mentally, that maybe we didn't have in 1983...

even if the police did suspect the party was the root of the cause, what would they do? knock on peoples door and say "tammy is smashing windows with a baseball bat, we think it's because of the party a month ago.."

that wouldn't happen.

To answer your last question, we don't know how coherente she was, if her mother or wing would have asked her those questions, if she took drugs, what did she eat, who she was with... would she have either wanted or been able to answer?

if she did chose to take LSD and she wasnt spiked... i mean how many 18 year old kids would say "sure mom, i popped LSD.." !?!

Let's assume i'm right and one way or another she took LSD or something similar, it messed with her brain chemstry and her made her paranoid, well if she took something on the friday or saturday, then came home on the monday, then after 2 or 3 days or tammy acting strange they took her to the doctor, thats 5 days, so...

1. the drugs are out of her system

2. i don't believe they'd say "take a drugs test" to her anyway

and 3. would a drug test in 1983 be advanced enough to detect a drug like that?


when it comes to linking her sudden radical change in behavior to the party, although it's obvious, it's not an exact science right?

the drugs are never going to be in her system, even if they were, could they find them?

It would have been a little bizarre for the cops to think "well she believes that someone is spying on her in a van and she's just smashed the window with the baseball bat... so it must be that party"

i think that 50-60 years of these drugs have given us some perspective and evidence of how they can affect people mentally, that maybe we didn't have in 1983...

even if the police did suspect the party was the root of the cause, what would they do? knock on peoples door and say "tammy is smashing windows with a baseball bat, we think it's because of the party a month ago.."

that wouldn't happen.

To answer your last question, we don't know how coherente she was, if her mother or wing would have asked her those questions, if she took drugs, what did she eat, who she was with... would she have either wanted or been able to answer?

if she did chose to take LSD and she wasnt spiked... i mean how many 18 year old kids would say "sure mom, i popped LSD.." !?!

To my dismay and disgust I was roped into random testing for drug use. This was in 1986. At the time we were taught the proper procedures. I was surprised to find out LSD was not tested for in any of the standard tests. I don't think ketamine was tested for either.

1) The tests for LSD were expensive.
2) They had to be done quickly. LSD is metabolised into elements commonly found in the
body.
3) New incapacitating (daterape) drugs are constantly being developed so there is a lag
before a test is developed and adopted.
4) She was vulnerable she may have been spiked and sexually assaulted. Nothing new in
Hollywood.
5) Some of these drugs have an amnesia effect. The specific memory loss varies.
6) Any of these things singly or in combination could have caused the change.

Maybe, The thing is, you and i have no personal relation to this case, we don't know tammy and we don't know the family and we weren't there.

So we have to base our theories on what we've read online or this segment of unsolved mysteries. so one thing tells us that tammy didn't have shoes on, i mean if you search "tammy lynn leppert shoeless" you can find news outlets and websites theres 1000s of websites that say she didn't have shoes on...

https://doenetwork.org/cases/211dffl.html

https://charleyproject.org/case/tammy-lynn-leppert

so one person will say she was barefoot if it fits their theory and another will say she wasn't if it fits theirs... and lets be honest, how would we really know for sure?

If theres enough websites and the charleyproject saying it, then theres enough of a DOUBT... because you don't just pick "she was shoeless" out of thin air right?

but in someways it doesn't even matter, the big question is, if before she went to that party and away for the weekend she was 100% fine and normal and then when she came home she started acting like she did. because mental illness doesn't appear one weekend like a case of covid... it just doesnt...

Thats what we need to establish, i don't doubt she had a pushy mother, but would that make her have that freak out on the set of scarface? would that make her believe a van was outside with tinted glass watching her? because of a pushy mother? the answer is no.

and while it's tempting to say "maybe the mother was lying, maybe wing was lying..." it just gets silly if we call BS on every part of this and then invent our own version of it. i could easily say that the phone calls she made to her aunt "were from a payphine o'hare airport in chicago and she fled to france"

if we're denying everything we're told and inventing whatever we like, then whats the difference?

Curtis was more than a pushy mother by all accounts. Tammy was reportedly her sole source of income at the time Tammy vanished. Some think the suit against Wilder was a means to get some money seeing as how she dropped it saying she never actually believed he was involved. Quite odd isn't it? The fact is also that Tammy told Adams she "might be going away for a while" and then disappears. Roberts says he offered to take her back home, but she refused and told him to let her out. So we have to wonder why is she so eager to get away from home? This has the most information I've seen on the case: https://medium.com/@crimeblogger1983/missing-beauty-queen-tammy-lynn-leppert-243d3a6658b5

Curtis was more than a pushy mother by all accounts. Tammy was reportedly her sole source of income at the time Tammy vanished. Some think the suit against Wilder was a means to get some money seeing as how she dropped it saying she never actually believed he was involved. Quite odd isn't it? The fact is also that Tammy told Adams she "might be going away for a while" and then disappears. Roberts says he offered to take her back home, but she refused and told him to let her out. So we have to wonder why is she so eager to get away from home? This has the most information I've seen on the case: https://medium.com/@crimeblogger1983/missing-beauty-queen-tammy-lynn-leppert-243d3a6658b5



You seem to be ignoring the 1001 things that don't back up what you say, while stating a couple things that do..

If tammy decided to disappear, she would have taken some clothes and gone, when you decide to leave, you don't get in a car with somebody, get into an argument, maybe be shoeless and then run and make half a dozen "frantic" calls and say "i know, let's go away"

it doesn't happen like that. i mean in someways i don't even know what you're getting at, are you saying that the mother pushed her so much that she had some kind of breakdown and then ran away?

How would that make tammy believe someone was outside in a van watching her? if you then suggest that wing was lying, then again, it's pretty much rewriting the whole story to fit your theory.

We have no personal link to this family, and while i'm open to the idea that the mom was the typical pushy demanding mother of a beauty queen, having her go to pageants every week and balancing books on her head... she took part in the UM segment, took tammy to the doctor when she was acting strange and generally seemed pretty open and honest.

But no matter how pushy the mother was, it doesn't explain tammys bizarre behaviour, how she believed her food was poisioned, the paranoia with the van outside watching her, the "freak out" on set, the possible irrational argument, running off shoeless and making frantic calls and going missing for 42 years... how is that the mother?

Tammy was 18, an adult with a career that yeah wasn't exactly sharon stone... but she had enough going for her to leave home, find an apartment all done in a sane and safe way...

her bizarre paranoid behaviour was much much much more than a pushy mother and the 180 "light switch" her mental illness took is proof of that..

unless you're saying everyone is lying...

By writing off Leppert as simply going crazy, you ignore key facts like

Curtis waits 5 days to file a police report even though Tammy was recently committed.
Curtis alludes to a Robert Valenti in the report who doesn't seem to exist.
Curtis sues Christopher Wilder for the "emotional damage" not "crime" of Tammy gone missing, then promptly drops it deciding he had nothing to do with it.
Curtis claimed Tammy filed a report with the police about being stalked that they have no record of.
They play up Tammy smashing a window as proof she's crazy, but she did it because the front door got locked on her.
Curtis seemed to be relying on Tammy's career as a sole source of income.
Tammy's close friends, ALL, think there was much tension in the home.
Tammy doesn't tell the sheriff or the doctors someone is out to get her.
Tammy goes out with friends in broad daylight despite thinking someone is after her.
Curtis claims Tammy would certainly call her if she were in trouble and when she seems to be, she doesn't.
Tammy seems to want to leave home voluntarily.

By writing off Leppert as simply going crazy, you ignore key facts like

Curtis waits 5 days to file a police report even though Tammy was recently committed.
Curtis alludes to a Robert Valenti in the report who doesn't seem to exist.
Curtis sues Christopher Wilder for the "emotional damage" not "crime" of Tammy gone missing, then promptly drops it deciding he had nothing to do with it.
Curtis claimed Tammy filed a report with the police about being stalked that they have no record of.
They play up Tammy smashing a window as proof she's crazy, but she did it because the front door got locked on her.
Curtis seemed to be relying on Tammy's career as a sole source of income.
Tammy's close friends, ALL, think there was much tension in the home.
Tammy doesn't tell the sheriff or the doctors someone is out to get her.
Tammy goes out with friends in broad daylight despite thinking someone is after her.
Curtis claims Tammy would certainly call her if she were in trouble and when she seems to be, she doesn't.
Tammy seems to want to leave home voluntarily.



You're missing out loads of things. You can believe anything from that the mom was overly pushy to she was the devil, thats fine...

But how do you get from that, and make any sane link between an independent person being called to the scarface set, because tammy has freaked out and is histerical because she's seen fake blood and then goes into a rant about money laundering and "where will i hide?" ??

No matter what you think the mother was doing, and you have no real evidence for it... how does the mother being pushy make a daughter go into some bizarre crying rant about money laundering? how does it make her believe that someone has parked a van outside the home to spy on her?

You seem to keep ignoring these things, because it doesn't back up your theory. there are people who have had the worst parents ever, abuse on every level, even sexual.. but they dont go into bizarre rants about money laundering and vans spying on them... they just don't.

another thing... if the mom was so bad and guilty... why take her to the medical center for a 72 hour evaulation? why take tammy to see the sheriff? why go on UM and do a segment!? what you're saying makes no sense.

You say that tammy didn't tell the police about the man trying to kill her, but she also didn't tell her about the problems at home.. meaning both could be fictional and more than likely are..

yet another thing, tammy was just about to leave for 3 months right? she had the chance to get away from her evil mother.. why not go then? why choose being dropped off shoeless in the middle of a street to do it!? no clothes, no money, no purse, nothing...

and 42 years later nothing..

you're dismissing everything you don't like as being "overplayed", the baseball bat thing is "overplayed" and UM "overplayed" the argument in the car...

I think like some others on forums like this, you've somehow arrived at a theory that you'll stick to, no matter what, no matter how much the evidence says it couldn't have played out like that.

Let's assume i'm right and one way or another she took LSD or something similar, it messed with her brain chemstry and her made her paranoid, well if she took something on the friday or saturday, then came home on the monday, then after 2 or 3 days or tammy acting strange they took her to the doctor, thats 5 days, so...

1. the drugs are out of her system

2. i don't believe they'd say "take a drugs test" to her anyway

and 3. would a drug test in 1983 be advanced enough to detect a drug like that?


when it comes to linking her sudden radical change in behavior to the party, although it's obvious, it's not an exact science right?

the drugs are never going to be in her system, even if they were, could they find them?

It would have been a little bizarre for the cops to think "well she believes that someone is spying on her in a van and she's just smashed the window with the baseball bat... so it must be that party"

i think that 50-60 years of these drugs have given us some perspective and evidence of how they can affect people mentally, that maybe we didn't have in 1983...

even if the police did suspect the party was the root of the cause, what would they do? knock on peoples door and say "tammy is smashing windows with a baseball bat, we think it's because of the party a month ago.."

that wouldn't happen.

To answer your last question, we don't know how coherente she was, if her mother or wing would have asked her those questions, if she took drugs, what did she eat, who she was with... would she have either wanted or been able to answer?

if she did chose to take LSD and she wasnt spiked... i mean how many 18 year old kids would say "sure mom, i popped LSD.." !?!

All very good points. And to clarify something in my original message: I meant that someone should have investigated that party AFTER Tami went missing. Maybe they just didn't think of it, or they did and nothing ever really came of it.

All very good points. And to clarify something in my original message: I meant that someone should have investigated that party AFTER Tami went missing. Maybe they just didn't think of it, or they did and nothing ever really came of it.


I don't know, maybe you're right, that someone could have been investigated for what happened, but it's too grey. the party was over a month before she went missing. we know she didn't have drugs in her system, and like another poster says, these drug test were expensive then and more than likely wouldn't have tested for LSD anyway, they also had no reason to test her.

Maybe now we can look back on it all and see that the party and drugs she took consensually or not are why she ended up the way she did.

But the police didn't have any evidence she took drugs and it becomes a difficult thing to relate a party from a month ago to someones bizarre behaviour today.

I believe Tammy no longer wanted to act or model and was doing whatever she could to get out of it. If she really did have these episodes, they could have just been brought on from stress and exhaustion of a life she didn't want. Her mother and Wing may not have wanted her to quit under any circumstances and Tammy then wanted to leave for Ft Lauderdale on her own. This would make sense as to why she didn't want to just leave for California since it would have meant more acting.
You can take the claims of Leppert's mental state at face value, but you can't deny the sketchy circumstances around the case.