would be renewed for the 83-84 schedule. He was going to give the Archie character a very young wife to stir up some controversy. CBS didn't like the idea and the show was not brought back. Kind of confusing though because the show finished 24th in the ratings. Also the spinoff Gloria finished 18th and was also not renewed.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
would be renewed for the 83-84 schedule. He was going to give the Archie character a very young wife to stir up some controversy. CBS didn't like the idea and the show was not brought back. Kind of confusing though because the show finished 24th in the ratings. Also the spinoff Gloria finished 18th and was also not renewed.

Yeah, I remember reading that in the Archie & Edith book. Also, CBS renewed Alice (40-something in the ratings) that year. It definitely would have stirred up controversy. Archie had mellowed by then, but having Archie take in a young wife would have still been very out of character. I think CBS made a huge mistake that year. Those ratings were great for a show that had run that long.

I would have loved to seen it.:lol: And Archie Bunker's place should never had been canceled.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
Yeah, I remember reading that in the Archie & Edith book. Also, CBS renewed Alice (40-something in the ratings) that year. It definitely would have stirred up controversy. Archie had mellowed by then, but having Archie take in a young wife would have still been very out of character. I think CBS made a huge mistake that year. Those ratings were great for a show that had run that long.


ABP finished at 21 after the 82-83 season and Alice gets renewed? Very Confusing

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
ABP finished at 21 after the 82-83 season and Alice gets renewed? Very Confusing

I agree, that would be, especially when you consider you'd be cancelling a thirteen-year old veteran show. (but networks don't think that way...) In the book, it said that the CBS president was also the current president of Warner-Bros., which owned "Alice". So, I assume Alice's renewal was more of underhanded deal than anything else.

Not taking anthing away from ABP but Alice was moved that year to a bad timeslot. I didn't even watch it much that season and Alice was one of my favorite shows.

Originally posted by cheers_rules
I agree, that would be, especially when you consider you'd be cancelling a thirteen-year old veteran show. (but networks don't think that way...) In the book, it said that the CBS president was also the current president of Warner-Bros., which owned "Alice". So, I assume Alice's renewal was more of underhanded deal than anything else.


And the ABP spinoff-Gloria was also cancelled after 82-83 and the show finished at #18-LOL What was going on?

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
And the ABP spinoff-Gloria was also cancelled after 82-83 and the show finished at #18-LOL What was going on?
And I was surprised at that, Gloria was a good show.

Originally posted by mr roper

And I was surprised at that, Gloria was a good show.


I was only able to see one episode that TV LAND aired back in 2002. That episode was OK. I'm looking to get more eps

Originally posted by mr roper

And I was surprised at that, Gloria was a good show.

I disagree-Gloria was a horrible show. If there was anything worse than seeing Archie without the rest of the family, it was seeing Gloria on her own. The show had no cutting edge whatsoever. Plus there was a falling out with the producers and there were no crossovers with ABP.

I thought at the time and still do today that Sally Struthers simply should have joined (or rejoined if you consider AITF and ABP the same series) ABP. That way the Archie-Gloria relationship could have been more properly revisited and ABP might have lasted a few more years.

Originally posted by jon123
I disagree-Gloria was a horrible show. If there was anything worse than seeing Archie without the rest of the family, it was seeing Gloria on her own. The show had no cutting edge whatsoever. Plus there was a falling out with the producers and there were no crossovers with ABP.

I thought at the time and still do today that Sally Struthers simply should have joined (or rejoined if you consider AITF and ABP the same series) ABP. That way the Archie-Gloria relationship could have been more properly revisited and ABP might have lasted a few more years.



Well it couldn't have been that bad to finish at #18

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Well it couldn't have been that bad to finish at #18

Yes, but apparently CBS didn't care for it either-I could not imagine a series finishing at #18 today and then being cancelled unless the producers or actors did not want to continue.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Well it couldn't have been that bad to finish at #18

Yes, but apparently CBS didn't care for it either-I could not imagine a series finishing at #18 today and then being cancelled unless the producers or actors did not want to continue.

Originally posted by jon123
Yes, but apparently CBS didn't care for it either-I could not imagine a series finishing at #18 today and then being cancelled unless the producers or actors did not want to continue.
It's different times now. Shows that are considered hits now would have been canceled in 1983.
Gloria wasn't as good as All In The Family but it was a cute show and I liked it. I wouldn't have mind if she went back to ABP after Gloria was canceled, but unfortunately ABP got canceled too.

Originally posted by jon123
I thought at the time and still do today that Sally Struthers simply should have joined (or rejoined if you consider AITF and ABP the same series) ABP. That way the Archie-Gloria relationship could have been more properly revisited and ABP might have lasted a few more years. I agree, plus Gloria could have been used as a mother figure for Stephanie and Billie. The girls along with Joey would fit well with sort of a sibling rivalry.

I would let Gloria be canceled. I would have had Gloria (Sally Struthers)and Joey return for the 1983-84 season which would be understood by all parties would be the final season. I would have had Gloria have an ill-fated relationship with Gary Rabinawitz which would drive Archie even crazier then Billie dating him. Since Lear wanted Mike to return for 8 episodes so I would have Rob Reiner return midseason this would lead to the end of Gary and Gloria. Gloria and Mike would grow close again and get remarried in the 90 Minute final episodes. The Jeffersons, Maude, Irene and Frank Lorenzo and other faces from the fast 14 seasons would return for the wedding In the final episode I would have Archie fall asleep in his chair and have a dream conversation with Edith sitting in her chair telling him that he should give the marriage to the younger woman a chance and Give Mike Another Chance with Gloria. At the very end I would have a Montage of memorable moments from the past 14 years to the Mary Hopkins song Those Were Days.

Originally posted by Dan Asnis
I would let Gloria be canceled. I would have had Gloria (Sally Struthers)and Joey return for the 1983-84 season which would be understood by all parties would be the final season. I would have had Gloria have an ill-fated relationship with Gary Rabinawitz which would drive Archie even crazier then Billie dating him. Since Lear wanted Mike to return for 8 episodes so I would have Rob Reiner return midseason this would lead to the end of Gary and Gloria. Gloria and Mike would grow close again and get remarried in the 90 Minute final episodes. The Jeffersons, Maude, Irene and Frank Lorenzo and other faces from the fast 14 seasons would return for the wedding In the final episode I would have Archie fall asleep in his chair and have a dream conversation with Edith sitting in her chair telling him that he should give the marriage to the younger woman a chance and Give Mike Another Chance with Gloria. At the very end I would have a Montage of memorable moments from the past 14 years to the Mary Hopkins song Those Were Days.


I don't think George and Weezie would have attended a wedding for Gloria. Maybe Lionel but defintely not his parents.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
I was only able to see one episode that TV LAND aired back in 2002. That episode was OK. I'm looking to get more eps

I have eps of "Gloria" if you are interested. Besides, I wanted to get those "Sanford" Arms" tapes from you. I could possibly do a DVD tranfer for you.

Originally posted by ThomasE
I have eps of "Gloria" if you are interested. Besides, I wanted to get those "Sanford" Arms" tapes from you. I could possibly do a DVD tranfer for you.


Yeah that's good. I can do 4 eps of Sanford Armsfor you in exchange for 4 eps of Gloria.

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
Yeah that's good. I can do 4 eps of Sanford Armsfor you in exchange for 4 eps of Gloria.

I did not read this message. That would be fine. Two of the eps I have are CBS airings. Did you get the shipment I sent to you?

Originally posted by TVShow Analyzer
I don't think George and Weezie would have attended a wedding for Gloria. Maybe Lionel but defintely not his parents.

I wonder if Lionel would have made it? He was in Japan during that time era. I think George and Weezy could have attended. George was not as much of a loudmouth as before.

Originally posted by ThomasE
I did not read this message. That would be fine. Two of the eps I have are CBS airings. Did you get the shipment I sent to you?


Sounds Cool. We can defintely do that after our current trade is completed.

Originally posted by Dan Asnis
In the final episode I would have Archie fall asleep in his chair and have a dream conversation with Edith sitting in her chair telling him that he should give the marriage to the younger woman a chance and Give Mike Another Chance with Gloria. At the very end I would have a Montage of memorable moments from the past 14 years to the Mary Hopkins song Those Were Days.

As far the dream, I would have gone farther than that. I would have Archie fall asleep in his chair and wake up to find Edith bringing him a beer and make the last four years (including her death and Mike and Gloria's divorce) all a dream. But this was done a few years before Dallas did it with Bobby Ewing so it may have been considered too radical at the time, even to bring a popular character such as Edith back to life.

Originally posted by ThomasE
I wonder if Lionel would have made it? He was in Japan during that time era. I think George and Weezy could have attended. George was not as much of a loudmouth as before.

George and Weezie definetely would have attended and so would have Maude and many others and it would have been a nice way to bring many people back to wrap the series (if you didn't use my idea in the last post). Lionel may have come also, I don't think the Jeffersons' writers came up with the explanation he was in Japan until the following year.

Originally posted by ThomasE
I did not read this message. That would be fine. Two of the eps I have are CBS airings. Did you get the shipment I sent to you?


Ok we can start on next trade. We can do a four for four trade.


I can copy 4 episodes of Sanford Arms for you and


You can copy 2 eps of Gloria from which are CBS Originals and i forgot what other two eps you have

Getting back on topic here (LOL), I think giving Archie another wife would have been disastrous. The comparisons to Edith would be endless, and despite the fact she was dead, many loyal viewers would see this as Archie being unfaithful to Edith, and how would Stephanie react to all these events? IMO an all out bad idea.

Originally posted by Justin S. Aldridge
Getting back on topic here (LOL), I think giving Archie another wife would have been disastrous. The comparisons to Edith would be endless, and despite the fact she was dead, many loyal viewers would see this as Archie being unfaithful to Edith, and how would Stephanie react to all these events? IMO an all out bad idea.


That's why it didn't happen

Originally posted by jon123
Plus there was a falling out with the producers and there were no crossovers with ABP.


What happened? How do you know this? Weren't the same producers responsible for both shows? Explain please.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by jon123
I thought at the time and still do today that Sally Struthers simply should have joined (or rejoined if you consider AITF and ABP the same series) ABP. That way the Archie-Gloria relationship could have been more properly revisited and ABP might have lasted a few more years.

This is unlikely when you consider that Sally was the STAR of Gloria and only a supporting cast member on All in the Family/Archie Bunker's Place. The actress would definitely have gone for the spin-off, hoping it'd be at least a moderate hit where she'd gain some moulah and, eventually, creative control like Carroll did.

I agree it would've been better to have her back with Archie, but living back home with him while she's got a son just seems a bit of a step backward for her as a character. Perhaps if she lived next door to him (as she did with Mike) it would've been better.

One time I missed her is when Archie was grieving over Edith. Sure, it was weeks after Edith's funeral, and in all likelihood, she was there, but clearly Archie wasn't all right and ready to face life without Edith. If Stephanie picked up on this, clearly Gloria would have as well, and she would've insisted on trying to help him through that ordeal.

Ed

Originally posted by Edster2973
This is unlikely when you consider that Sally was the STAR of Gloria and only a supporting cast member on All in the Family/Archie Bunker's Place. The actress would definitely have gone for the spin-off, hoping it'd be at least a moderate hit where she'd gain some moulah and, eventually, creative control like Carroll did.

I agree it would've been better to have her back with Archie, but living back home with him while she's got a son just seems a bit of a step backward for her as a character. Perhaps if she lived next door to him (as she did with Mike) it would've been better.

One time I missed her is when Archie was grieving over Edith. Sure, it was weeks after Edith's funeral, and in all likelihood, she was there, but clearly Archie wasn't all right and ready to face life without Edith. If Stephanie picked up on this, clearly Gloria would have as well, and she would've insisted on trying to help him through that ordeal.

Ed

I believe that Rob and Sally were asked to participate in Edith's death episode but declined. The episode was set a month after Edith's death so it is possible that Gloria did spend a month with Archie to help console each other, but it was never stated.

To answer your earlier question, the series "Gloria" originally had the same producers as ABP but that pilot was rejected by CBS. The original pilot is now in the ABP syndication package and was shown when TV land ran ABP a few years ago. CBS brought in different producers and Carroll was so upset by this that he refused to appear on "Gloria". "Gloria" was a weak, mediocre show at best and I stand by my opinion that Sally should have returned to ABP instead of having her own series.

Originally posted by jon123
I believe that Rob and Sally were asked to participate in Edith's death episode but declined. The episode was set a month after Edith's death so it is possible that Gloria did spend a month with Archie to help console each other, but it was never stated.

To answer your earlier question, the series "Gloria" originally had the same producers as ABP but that pilot was rejected by CBS. The original pilot is now in the ABP syndication package and was shown when TV land ran ABP a few years ago. CBS brought in different producers and Carroll was so upset by this that he refused to appear on "Gloria". "Gloria" was a weak, mediocre show at best and I stand by my opinion that Sally should have returned to ABP instead of having her own series.

As best as I can remember from reading the book "Archie & Edith, Mike & Gloria: The Tumultuous History of All in the Family", both Rob & Sally were asked to participate in the death episode, but were unavailable. Also, Rob Reiner was again asked to participate in Struthers' spin-off, but they couldn't come to an agreement.

Maybe if ABP had made it to 1985, they could have paired Gloria and Lionel up together at that point, since they were both divorced by then. Imagine how Archie & George would have felt! :lol:

Maybe if ABP had made it to 1985, they could have paired Gloria and Lionel up together at that point, since they were both divorced by then. Imagine how Archie & George would have felt! :lol:

Hey, that's not a bad idea. Maybe it would've even made for a decent spin-off too with occasional guest appearances from Archie & George & Louise once their respective shows had run their courses.

If only, if only...

Ed

I think bring back Mike and Gloria and have them get back together with the last show Archie moving wherever the Stivics went. Meantime, Stephanie goes to live with her Grandmother Harris. Realistically, there was too much of an age gap for Billie and Gary to get back and get married.

ABP finished at 21 after the 82-83 season and Alice gets renewed? Very Confusing

The rumor was Warner Bros used influence to keep their low rated shows Alice and Dukes of Hazard. To make room on the schedule ABP and Gloria were dropped.

It probably didn't help that ABP was very expensive to produce. CoC was the highest paid actor on TV for most of its run (Alan Alda passed him during the final season of MASH)

Thanks sm95fan, that's really interesting info.

The rumor was Warner Bros used influence to keep their low rated shows Alice and Dukes of Hazard. To make room on the schedule ABP and Gloria were dropped.

It probably didn't help that ABP was very expensive to produce. CoC was the highest paid actor on TV for most of its run (Alan Alda passed him during the final season of MASH)

Alice was really only low rated once in the 80's and finished better than ABP 3 out of 4 years

What if they brought back Liz Torres as Teresa to be a foil for Archie? She was still working in the Norman Lear universe at the time, most recently on Checking In, the failed Jeffersons spin-off with Florence as the head housekeeper of a hotel.

What if they brought back Liz Torres as Teresa to be a foil for Archie? She was still working in the Norman Lear universe at the time, most recently on Checking In, the failed Jeffersons spin-off with Florence as the head housekeeper of a hotel.


She would have had to be dating Archie to make viewers interested:lol: