Actresses still avoid each other's 'Company'


Twenty-three years after she left her hit sitcom,"Three's Company," Suzanne Somers says she still doesn't speak to co-star Joyce DeWitt.

"I haven't," she tells The News. "Not that I won't. We aren't friends.

And she has this message for her former pal:

"All I've ever seen is when she says those awful things about me on those 'True Hollywood' shows. …I look at her and think, 'Joyce, you are going to get sick carrying around this kind of anger.'"

Somers was fired following a bitter salary dispute in 1981.

It also caused an icy, years-long rift with her other co-star, John Ritter.

But a few years before his sudden death from a heart ailment in September, Somers and Ritter mended ties - at the suggestion of Ritter's wife.

"John and I hugged and we cried. Just sobbing on one another's shoulders.

When Ritter died, she says, she was devastated. "I still can't believe John Ritter is gone."

Somers says she wanted to give Ritter a "proper send-off" at the Emmy Awards show, which aired the week after he died.

So she called a television academy honcho to propose a tribute to Ritter that would have involved both her and DeWitt - "I didn't ask her, but I knew she would" come together on stage.

"The country had been waiting for a reunion," she says. "What a beautiful way to reunite without it being corny and phony. The focus would have been on John and how we loved John and it would have been so right!"

"It would have been such a television moment."

But the Emmy producers turned her down.

"Instead, they had Henry Winkler walk out and say, 'We won't remember John Ritter just for his pratfalls' or something like that.

"It was unbelievable, stupid. … It's an old group at the Emmys - gray hair and old-fart thinking," she says.

Looking back, Somers says she is proud of her salary stand, even though it cost her prime-time stardom.

"John and I loved each other," she says. "But the producers had created such a fury at the time - they said I was trying to ruin the show - and it drove us apart."

Somers, who at the time was earning $32,000 per episode on TV's No. 1 show, says she simply asked for actor Alan Alda's salary on M*A*S*H (reported to be about $150,000 per episode).

"They thought I was a dumb blond like the character I played. … My feeling is how dumb for John and Joyce that they didn't back me up. Because they could have got whatever I got."

Years later, that lesson was not lost on the cast of the NBC hit "Friends," who banded together and won hefty $1.2 million-per-episode paychecks for all.

Within her career as a marketing and healthy-livingentrepreneur, Somers still makes time to perform.

In San Diego in January, she opened a one-woman show, "The Blonde in the Thunderbird," (a reference to her early, one-line role in the 1973 cult classic "American Graffiti"). It's a multimedia evening of song and story she hopes to take to Broadway.

Still, Somers says she wouldn't mind doing another TV show someday, but she doesn't want to play "a mom" as she did on the 1990s sitcom "Step by Step."

"There's a sense of obligation when you are the mother on a sitcom. When you're the mom and the kid comes in, you'd rather say, from a comedic standpoint, 'Ah shut up and figure it out yourself!' but as the sitcom mom, you have to say 'Well dear…' and the corny music plays and you have a heart-to-heart and the child cries.

"And all the while you're thinking, 'Gee, it would have been so funny if I could have said 'Aw, shut up....' "

Thanks for posting the article ! I always thought that Suzanne and Joyce were sorta talking to each other. I read once that Joyce and Suzanne pass notes through ppl or something like that. I also heard Joyce called Suzanne when she found out she had cancer. I really want to see them apologize and forget about the whole thing !

cx

Originally posted by vashti1999
Actresses still avoid each other's 'Company'


Twenty-three years after she left her hit sitcom,"Three's Company," Suzanne Somers says she still doesn't speak to co-star Joyce DeWitt.

"I haven't," she tells The News. "Not that I won't. We aren't friends.

And she has this message for her former pal:

"All I've ever seen is when she says those awful things about me on those 'True Hollywood' shows. …I look at her and think, 'Joyce, you are going to get sick carrying around this kind of anger.'"

Somers was fired following a bitter salary dispute in 1981.

It also caused an icy, years-long rift with her other co-star, John Ritter.

But a few years before his sudden death from a heart ailment in September, Somers and Ritter mended ties - at the suggestion of Ritter's wife.

"John and I hugged and we cried. Just sobbing on one another's shoulders.

When Ritter died, she says, she was devastated. "I still can't believe John Ritter is gone."

Somers says she wanted to give Ritter a "proper send-off" at the Emmy Awards show, which aired the week after he died.

So she called a television academy honcho to propose a tribute to Ritter that would have involved both her and DeWitt - "I didn't ask her, but I knew she would" come together on stage.

"The country had been waiting for a reunion," she says. "What a beautiful way to reunite without it being corny and phony. The focus would have been on John and how we loved John and it would have been so right!"

"It would have been such a television moment."

But the Emmy producers turned her down.

"Instead, they had Henry Winkler walk out and say, 'We won't remember John Ritter just for his pratfalls' or something like that.

"It was unbelievable, stupid. … It's an old group at the Emmys - gray hair and old-fart thinking," she says.

Looking back, Somers says she is proud of her salary stand, even though it cost her prime-time stardom.

"John and I loved each other," she says. "But the producers had created such a fury at the time - they said I was trying to ruin the show - and it drove us apart."

Somers, who at the time was earning $32,000 per episode on TV's No. 1 show, says she simply asked for actor Alan Alda's salary on M*A*S*H (reported to be about $150,000 per episode).

"They thought I was a dumb blond like the character I played. … My feeling is how dumb for John and Joyce that they didn't back me up. Because they could have got whatever I got."

Years later, that lesson was not lost on the cast of the NBC hit "Friends," who banded together and won hefty $1.2 million-per-episode paychecks for all.

Within her career as a marketing and healthy-livingentrepreneur, Somers still makes time to perform.

In San Diego in January, she opened a one-woman show, "The Blonde in the Thunderbird," (a reference to her early, one-line role in the 1973 cult classic "American Graffiti"). It's a multimedia evening of song and story she hopes to take to Broadway.

Still, Somers says she wouldn't mind doing another TV show someday, but she doesn't want to play "a mom" as she did on the 1990s sitcom "Step by Step."

"There's a sense of obligation when you are the mother on a sitcom. When you're the mom and the kid comes in, you'd rather say, from a comedic standpoint, 'Ah shut up and figure it out yourself!' but as the sitcom mom, you have to say 'Well dear…' and the corny music plays and you have a heart-to-heart and the child cries.

"And all the while you're thinking, 'Gee, it would have been so funny if I could have said 'Aw, shut up....' "
I have that article, I saw it yesterday... I'm saving it:rolleyes:


Originally posted by vashti1999
"There's a sense of obligation when you are the mother on a sitcom. When you're the mom and the kid comes in, you'd rather say, from a comedic standpoint, 'Ah shut up and figure it out yourself!' but as the sitcom mom, you have to say 'Well dear…' and the corny music plays and you have a heart-to-heart and the child cries.
:lol: I always think that! Whenever there's a "mother-daughter talk", the sappy love songs go on in the background and I'm always thinking, "Oh, here comes the music...".

Suzanne doesn't know when to let something go and keep her mouth shut. John is gone, and he can't set the record straight anymore about what REALLY happened behind the scenes. (She should know by now that he wasn't "dumb" for not supporting her entirely unprofessional, extremely selfish and extraordinarily stupid tactics when, thinking she was "the star," she kept missing work during her contract dispute while putting everyone else's lives and careers at stake.) And Suzanne should STOP putting Joyce on the defensive publicly by making these deliberately catty and manipulative comments about her now that John is gone. It turns my stomach that she can't have the dignity to just move on and take the high road without trying to get the last manipulative word in 23 years later.

Joyce made efforts to contact Suzanne with well-wishes two to three years ago after Suzanne announced she had breast cancer, but Suzanne turned her nose up time and time again. And then she put Joyce on the spot on national TV by trying to force her to appear with her on the Emmys last fall "for John" -- without even having the common decency to contact her first to see if she'd want to do such a thing while in mourning. Sorry, Suzanne, but not everyone is as EXPLOITATIVE as you ("It would have been such a television moment" !!!), especially when it comes to something as sensitive as a loved one's death a week after their passing. (I could not believe Suzanne started pulling out her old, tired home shopping junk on that Fox morning show a week after John's passing and mere moments after telling Joyce on national TV that she should show up to the Emmys "for John." A new low in insensitivity, self-servingness,
shamelessness, tactlessness and tastlessness.)

Suzanne is a hypocrite for saying Joyce is going to get sick by "carrying around this kind of anger." Suzanne harbors much anger for Joyce (just read Suzanne's book After the Fall), but she puts on a big, phony smile when shooting her poisonous darts belittling Joyce, trying to fool people into believing that she has no animosity towards Joyce. Obviously, based on Suzanne's actions -- her lack of forgiveness toward Joyce, her rudeness in not answering Joyce's notes and calls to her until she can publicly use it to her advantage, her selfishness in putting Joyce on the spot on national TV a week after John's tragic death, etc. -- Suzanne harbors much negativity and acts awfully toward Joyce.

Suzanne, you need to take a long look in the mirror -- and not the TV camera -- before getting back on your pedastal. Lying is not healthy -- no matter how much money it makes you or helps you win public support or a People magazine cover -- and neither is greed or selfishness. With all you've been through since your potentially careering-ending contract dispute in 1980 and up through your potentially career-ending liposuction scandal and beyond, you really should have learned this by now. Sadly, you have not. But at the very least leave Joyce alone and quit besmirching John's memory with your self-serving lies.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by J Condon
And then she put Joyce on the spot on national TV by trying to force her to appear with her on the Emmys last fall "for John" -- without even having the common decency to contact her first to see if she'd want to do such a thing while in mourning. Sorry, Suzanne, but not everyone is as EXPLOITATIVE as you ("It would have been such a television moment" !!!), especially when it comes to something as sensitive as a loved one's death a week after their passing.

Umm I'm sorry but I thought Suzanne had good intentions because I am sure alot of fans would like to see Joyce and Suzanne together again and they wouldn't love anything better than to see the original roomates of Three's Company giving a special and wonderful send off for their dear friend John Ritter. Her intentions were good and if Joyce really wanted to contact Suzanne like you say, then she shouldn't be angry that Suzanne wants to appear on Television with her again for John death.

(I could not believe Suzanne started pulling out her old, tired home shopping junk on that Fox morning show a week after John's passing and mere moments after telling Joyce on national TV that she should show up to the Emmys "for John." A new low in insensitivity, self-servingness, shamelessness, tactlessness and tastlessness.)

Do you realize that Suzanne probably scheduled to appear on the Fox morning show before Johns passing? No mater what its her job and she had to do it because she scheduled to be on TV.

Suzanne is a hypocrite for saying Joyce is going to get sick by "carrying around this kind of anger." Suzanne harbors much anger for Joyce (just read Suzanne's book After the Fall), but she puts on a big, phony smile when shooting her poisonous darts belittling Joyce, trying to fool people into believing that she has no animosity towards Joyce. Obviously, based on Suzanne's actions -- her lack of forgiveness toward Joyce, her rudeness in not answering Joyce's notes and calls to her until she can publicly use it to her advantage, her selfishness in putting Joyce on the spot on national TV a week after John's tragic death, etc. -- Suzanne harbors much negativity and acts awfully toward Joyce.

You really have no clue how Suzanne of Joyce feels. After the fall wasn't written until after John's death so all of her anger, if she even had any left, may have left her after John's passing. You are accusing Suzanne of all these things but you have weak evidence to back up what your saying.

Suzanne, you need to take a long look in the mirror -- and not the TV camera -- before getting back on your pedastal. Lying is not healthy -- no matter how much money it makes you or helps you win public support or a People magazine cover -- and neither is greed or selfishness. With all you've been through since your potentially careering-ending contract dispute in 1980 and up through your potentially career-ending liposuction scandal and beyond, you really should have learned this by now. Sadly, you have not. But at the very least leave Joyce alone and quit besmirching John's memory with your self-serving lies.

That is just a load of garbage. You do NOT know what Suzanne is feeling and for you to tell her to look in the mirror and giving her advice for a story that no one realy knows the real truth but Joyce and Suzanne is just plain wrong. I believe Suzanne cared alot about John and she is not using his death to get publicity. He was still a friend to her and both of them said on TV that they have reconciled. So you have to know that Suzanne is upset about is death, anyone who has been friends with someone and they die will be upset. Suzanne may feel upset because she couldn't get to know him better and be true friends with him again because of his death. Who knows, You don't know and I don't know. But I just think its plain wrong to accuse someone of such awful things when some one has died and you don't even know all the facts and the real truth. Let us know when you've actually talked with Joyce or Suzanne personally.

You go, Christmas! :wave: :thumbsup: :yeahthat :clap:

I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

weird...i was just thinking that too

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

LOL!! :lol:

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

:lol: sounds that way doesnt it?

Originally posted by J Condon
Suzanne doesn't know when to let something go and keep her mouth shut. John is gone, and he can't set the record straight anymore about what REALLY happened behind the scenes. (She should know by now that he wasn't "dumb" for not supporting her entirely unprofessional, extremely selfish and extraordinarily stupid tactics when, thinking she was "the star," she kept missing work during her contract dispute while putting everyone else's lives and careers at stake.) And Suzanne should STOP putting Joyce on the defensive publicly by making these deliberately catty and manipulative comments about her now that John is gone. It turns my stomach that she can't have the dignity to just move on and take the high road without trying to get the last manipulative word in 23 years later.

Joyce made efforts to contact Suzanne with well-wishes two to three years ago after Suzanne announced she had breast cancer, but Suzanne turned her nose up time and time again. And then she put Joyce on the spot on national TV by trying to force her to appear with her on the Emmys last fall "for John" -- without even having the common decency to contact her first to see if she'd want to do such a thing while in mourning. Sorry, Suzanne, but not everyone is as EXPLOITATIVE as you ("It would have been such a television moment" !!!), especially when it comes to something as sensitive as a loved one's death a week after their passing. (I could not believe Suzanne started pulling out her old, tired home shopping junk on that Fox morning show a week after John's passing and mere moments after telling Joyce on national TV that she should show up to the Emmys "for John." A new low in insensitivity, self-servingness,
shamelessness, tactlessness and tastlessness.)

Suzanne is a hypocrite for saying Joyce is going to get sick by "carrying around this kind of anger." Suzanne harbors much anger for Joyce (just read Suzanne's book After the Fall), but she puts on a big, phony smile when shooting her poisonous darts belittling Joyce, trying to fool people into believing that she has no animosity towards Joyce. Obviously, based on Suzanne's actions -- her lack of forgiveness toward Joyce, her rudeness in not answering Joyce's notes and calls to her until she can publicly use it to her advantage, her selfishness in putting Joyce on the spot on national TV a week after John's tragic death, etc. -- Suzanne harbors much negativity and acts awfully toward Joyce.

Suzanne, you need to take a long look in the mirror -- and not the TV camera -- before getting back on your pedastal. Lying is not healthy -- no matter how much money it makes you or helps you win public support or a People magazine cover -- and neither is greed or selfishness. With all you've been through since your potentially careering-ending contract dispute in 1980 and up through your potentially career-ending liposuction scandal and beyond, you really should have learned this by now. Sadly, you have not. But at the very least leave Joyce alone and quit besmirching John's memory with your self-serving lies.

i would have to agree with you. i think ss is always trying to sound like the innocent one and nothing is ever her fault. joyce and ss have ALOT to talk about and u cannot just go on television and make up and act like nothing ever happened. john deserved to have people who were at least talking to eachother represent him. i think it was too soon and they werent ready. but hey thats jmo.

I honestly don't think either one is ready to actually talk again and be friends again. And as for the emmy thing, I don't think it was too soon. I was down all week when he died and I would have loved to seen his original roomates give him a proper send off. That would have cheered me up big time.

WELL J CONDON.......I AM SO PLEASED WITH THE WAY YOU PUT YOUR THOUGHTS INTO WORDS. I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU ON EVERYTHING. I HAVE ALWAYS FELT THIS WAY ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATION, YET I HAVE NEVER BEEN ABLE TO PUT IT INTO WORDS AS YOU DID. AWESOME JOB!!!!

AFTER READING THE RESEARCH ON THE FEUD BETWEEN JOHN, JOYCE, AND SUZANNE, I HAVE ANALYZED THE SITUATION AS WELL AS THE PEOPLE INVOLVED. WITH MY PROFESSIONAL TRAINING IN SOCIAL WORK AND PSYCHOLOGY OF HUMAN BEINGS, I WOULD SAY THAT SUZANNE SUFFERS FROM A DISEASE CALLED "POOR SELF-ESTEEM AND LOW SELF-WORTH." (THAT IS NOT REALLY A DISEASE IN THE BOOKS, PERSAY, BUT I CALL IT ONE). HER ATTEMPT TO INCREASE HER SALARY IN THE 70'S WITH THE TC SHOW, HER GREEDINESS, AND THE NEED FOR SOMETHING MATERIALISTIC LIKE MONEY, WAS ALL IN THE NEED TO MAKE HER FEEL BETTER ABOUT HERSELF. IN DEFENDING THE ATTEMPT FOR MORE MONEY, SHE CLAIMED HERSELF AS THE "STAR" OF THE SHOW AND PROCEEDED TO AGREE WITH HER MANAGER ALAN IN MAKING HERSELF SOMETHING BIGGER THAN SHE REALLY WAS. IN FAILING AT HER ATTEMPT, SHE SUCEEDED IN ONE THING.....AND THAT WAS HURTING MANY PEOPLE IN THE PROCESS OF HER SELFISH ACTIONS AND NEEDS.

THEN, IN TRYING TO MAKE UP FOR HER FAULTS, SHE HAS SUCEEDED IN HER OWN LINE OF PRODUCTS AND MANY TOP SELLING BOOKS. SHE HAS ALSO SUFFERED THE PAIN OF GOING THROUGH BREAST CANCER, WHICH MY MOTHER HAS ALSO GONE THROUGH......AND I WILL FOREVER BE PROUD OF THOSE WOMEN WHO FIGHT THE CANCER AND WIN. I AM HONESTLY PROUD OF HER FOR ACCOMPLISHING THESE THINGS--AND, AT TIMES, WATCH THE HSN WHEN SHE IS ON. I MUST CONCLUDE THAT MY THOUGHT OF HER HAVING A LOW SELF-ESTEEM AND LOW SELF-WORTH, STILL IS PRESENT. FOR EXAMPLE, WHEN I HAVE WATCHED HER ON SOME OF THE SHOWS THAT SHE HAS RECENTLY PARTICIPATED IN TO ADVERTISE HER NEW BOOK, SHE APPEARS TO BE VERY EGOTISTICAL AND FLAUNTS HER SUCCESSES. ANOTHER SYMPTOM OF A LOW SELF-ESTEEM IS THAT OF EGOTISITICAL THOUGHTS AND EXPRESSIONS IN ATTEMPT TO MAKE THEMSELVES LOOK GOOD OR BETTER THAN OTHERS. HER CHEAP SHOTS AT JOYCE HAVE ALSO APPEARED TO BE THE LACK OF CONFIDENCE IN HERSELF.

ANYWAY-----I FEEL THAT SUZANNE AND JOYCE BOTH HAVE HAD THIER STRUGGLES WITH ANGER CONCERNING THE SITUATION. IN MY OPINION, JOYCE HAS DEALT WITH HER ANGER AND HURT----ALTHOUGH SHE WILL NEVER FORGET IT. IT IS A DIFFERENT KIND OF ANGER THOUGH......BECAUSE SHE WAS THE VICTIM, NOT THE PERPATRATOR. FOR SUZANNE, SHE IS HOLDING IN MUCH ANGER AND GUILT THAT SHE DOES NOT WANT TO EVER LET OUT; FURTHERMORE, THIS IS ANOTHER REASON FOR HER CHEAP SHOTS TOWARDS JOYCE. SUZANNE, DEEP DOWN, KNOWS SHE IS THE ONE AT FAULT. HOLDING IN THAT ANGER AND GUILT FOR SO LONG WITHOUT HEALING CAN CAUSE THE MIND TO OVERWORK ITSELF. SUZANNE, IN RETURN, HAS NO PROBLEM MAKING HERSELF FEEL BETTER BY TELLING THE WORLD HOW RIGHT SHE WAS, HOW BRAVE SHE WAS, HOW JOYCE NEEDS TO DEAL WITH HER ANGER, OH AND MY FAVORITE LINE----HOW JOHN AND I HAVE ALWAYS LOVED EACH OTHER AND HE HAS ALWAYS LOVED ME.

NOT TO MENTION.......ANOTHER WAY THAT SHE MAKES HERSELF FEEL BETTER------IS ALL THE PLASTIC SURGERY. I COULD GO ON ABOUT THIS EVEN MORE.......BUT I AM GOING TO STOP HERE. SORRY IF THIS OFFENDS ANYONE, WHICH I AM SURE IT WILL. I JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT J CONDON AND GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE.

Originally posted by J Condon
Suzanne doesn't know when to let something go and keep her mouth shut. John is gone, and he can't set the record straight anymore about what REALLY happened behind the scenes. (She should know by now that he wasn't "dumb" for not supporting her entirely unprofessional, extremely selfish and extraordinarily stupid tactics when, thinking she was "the star," she kept missing work during her contract dispute while putting everyone else's lives and careers at stake.) And Suzanne should STOP putting Joyce on the defensive publicly by making these deliberately catty and manipulative comments about her now that John is gone. It turns my stomach that she can't have the dignity to just move on and take the high road without trying to get the last manipulative word in 23 years later.

Joyce made efforts to contact Suzanne with well-wishes two to three years ago after Suzanne announced she had breast cancer, but Suzanne turned her nose up time and time again. And then she put Joyce on the spot on national TV by trying to force her to appear with her on the Emmys last fall "for John" -- without even having the common decency to contact her first to see if she'd want to do such a thing while in mourning. Sorry, Suzanne, but not everyone is as EXPLOITATIVE as you ("It would have been such a television moment" !!!), especially when it comes to something as sensitive as a loved one's death a week after their passing. (I could not believe Suzanne started pulling out her old, tired home shopping junk on that Fox morning show a week after John's passing and mere moments after telling Joyce on national TV that she should show up to the Emmys "for John." A new low in insensitivity, self-servingness,
shamelessness, tactlessness and tastlessness.)

Suzanne is a hypocrite for saying Joyce is going to get sick by "carrying around this kind of anger." Suzanne harbors much anger for Joyce (just read Suzanne's book After the Fall), but she puts on a big, phony smile when shooting her poisonous darts belittling Joyce, trying to fool people into believing that she has no animosity towards Joyce. Obviously, based on Suzanne's actions -- her lack of forgiveness toward Joyce, her rudeness in not answering Joyce's notes and calls to her until she can publicly use it to her advantage, her selfishness in putting Joyce on the spot on national TV a week after John's tragic death, etc. -- Suzanne harbors much negativity and acts awfully toward Joyce.

Suzanne, you need to take a long look in the mirror -- and not the TV camera -- before getting back on your pedastal. Lying is not healthy -- no matter how much money it makes you or helps you win public support or a People magazine cover -- and neither is greed or selfishness. With all you've been through since your potentially careering-ending contract dispute in 1980 and up through your potentially career-ending liposuction scandal and beyond, you really should have learned this by now. Sadly, you have not. But at the very least leave Joyce alone and quit besmirching John's memory with your self-serving lies.

I SO TOTALLY AGREE W/ J CONDON!


Three's Company," Suzanne Somers says she still doesn't speak to co-star Joyce DeWitt.

This just shows how SS is lying! I bought some articles on ebay that were suppossed to be on Joyce and one ended up being an interview on SS talking about Joyce. Where it says:

"Guess who called me twice today?" an excited Somers told viewers. "It was Joyce DeWitt!" I haven't talked to her in more then 20 years- ever since the show went off the air"

"If we were to find each other face to face in some situation, maybe we could hug-that would be nice," she said. Now, she can't wait to speak with her old co-star. "It was nice that she called," says Somers. "We need to talk"

So they have talked before and if she so thinks that Joyce is the one that is angry why didn't she called Joyce?

"All I've ever seen is when she says those awful things about me on those 'True Hollywood' shows. …I look at her and think, 'Joyce, you are going to get sick carrying around this kind of anger.'"

I think that story kinda made people think differently about SS. I know it made me think way differently. People kinda felt sorry for her and saw how it was mainly her husband's fault that her career was going down. And the last part about Joyce getting sick!??! SS knows that the media loves this kinda mess. She is putting Joyce on the spot (like JC said) by doing this b/c she knows they will probably ask Joyce about this at some point and Joyce will reply and the game will keep going. And the words that she uses and how she uses them are awful. She is the one that sounds like she is frustarted b/c Joyce will reply with a diplomatic answer.


Somers says she wanted to give Ritter a "proper send-off" at the Emmy Awards show, which aired the week after he died.

A proper send-off!?! HOW!??! she didn't talk to him for such a long time, how can she give him a proper send off when they had spent so much time without knowing what was going on w/the other!?!?

So she called a television academy honcho to propose a tribute to Ritter that would have involved both her and DeWitt -"I didn't ask her, but I knew she would" come together on stage.

She "KNEW" Joyce would of done it?!?! HOW?!?! She just stated a few paragraphs above that her and Joyce hadn't talk in so many years, but she KNEW Joyce would of agreed!?!? And what makes her think Joyce would of agreed? After all the bad stuff she has said about her!?

"The country had been waiting for a reunion," she says. "What a beautiful way to reunite without it being corny and phony. The focus would have been on John and how we loved John and it would have been so right!"

I know this is going to sound super mean and rude of me but would that acutally be focused on John? She knew that she would be flooded w/interviews and stuff trying to know how it felt to be on stage w/Joyce after all the problems they had had.

"It would have been such a television moment."

Like JC said! She is so thinking of her self and what the benefits that would have brought her.


"Instead, they had Henry Winkler walk out and say, 'We won't remember John Ritter just for his pratfalls' or something like that.

I really don't know much about John but I do beleive that Henry was one of his closest best friends. He has all the right to do the tribute. SS spent, what 3-4 years, working along with John? And they then didn't speak for a long time?! What makes her think she has more of an advantage? Henry had way more rights to do the tribute than her. How can she even think that she has was going to be chosen over him?

"It was unbelievable, stupid. … It's an old group at the Emmys - gray hair and old-fart thinking," she says.

Stupid was what she did to the show back then. She knew they needed her and wanted to take advantage of it. But they showed her that she was needed but NOT necessary for the show to succeed. The show still went on, maybe not as wow as when she was there but it went on!

"They thought I was a dumb blond like the character I played. … My feeling is how dumb for John and Joyce that they didn't back me up. Because they could have got whatever I got."

There she goes again putting words into other people's mouths. She doesn't know if John and/or Joyce thought she was a dumb blond, they might of thought her way of thinking she was not really the most apropiate, but not dumb. AND AGAIN THERE SHE GOES THINKING ABOUT MONEY!~ As SHE calls them Dumb for not backing her up. Why would they risk their career? Why would John risk his family's well being, and lose his job for backing her up? They were happy with what they had and who they were. :D

:wave:

Isn't The New York Daily News semi-tabloid-ish? If so, it would explain some of the errors. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with another paper...

Okay, maybe what I say next will sound biased because I don't really like Joyce as a person. She seems like a very bitter woman who can't get over what happened 24 years ago to me.

The amount of contact Joyce/Suzanne and John/Suzanne have made over the years has always changed in the press. At one point, both John and Suzanne said they had reconciled in 1996. However, in 2002, John and Suzanne both said they had just fully reconciled. Those dates do conflict each other, and by a lot.

What I've heard about Joyce and Suzanne definitely varies. I know Suzanne sent Joyce a letter in 1996, and she never got a reply. Since then, all I've really heard is that Joyce and Suzanne have exchanged a few letters. I haven't heard much else from **reliable** sources, and I definitely don't recall hearing that Joyce called Suzanne when it was announced that she had breast cancer. IMO, to me, Joyce seems a lot more angry than Suzanne. At least Suzanne wasn't involved in a movie that purposely made Joyce look very bad. ;)

A proper send-off!?! HOW!??! she didn't talk to him for such a long time, how can she give him a proper send off when they had spent so much time without knowing what was going on w/the other!?!?

John was her friend for nearly four years in the seventies. Apparently, they reconciled in 1996. So, combined, that would mean they were on relatively good terms for eleven years. That's a pretty long time, if you ask me. Sure, maybe it's not as long as some others knew him, but it's still long, IMO.

She "KNEW" Joyce would of done it?!?! HOW?!?! She just stated a few paragraphs above that her and Joyce hadn't talk in so many years, but she KNEW Joyce would of agreed!?!? And what makes her think Joyce would of agreed? After all the bad stuff she has said about her!?

IMO, it sounds like she thought that Joyce would be more than willing to do anything she could to pay tribute to John. While it would've been wise to ask, I can see why she did it.

Stupid was what she did to the show back then. She knew they needed her and wanted to take advantage of it. But they showed her that she was needed but NOT necessary for the show to succeed. The show still went on, maybe not as wow as when she was there but it went on!

Many in the television industry have done the same thing that Suzanne did during the fifth season. More recently, the supporting casts of The West Wing and Everybody Loves Raymond did it. While those shows are critically acclaimed, they haven't had the same ratings success that Three's Company had during it's run.

There she goes again putting words into other people's mouths. She doesn't know if John and/or Joyce thought she was a dumb blond, they might of thought her way of thinking she was not really the most apropiate, but not dumb. AND AGAIN THERE SHE GOES THINKING ABOUT MONEY!~ As SHE calls them Dumb for not backing her up. Why would they risk their career? Why would John risk his family's well being, and lose his job for backing her up? They were happy with what they had and who they were.

I have to agree with Suzanne on this -- it would've been very smart if they had all tried to get a salary increase at the same time. Sure, the show could replace one of them -- maybe even two -- but replacing ALL of them? If John had been involved, they probably could've gotten what they wanted since he was the darling child of the producers. Losing all three of them would mean losing the show, and ABC definitely wouldn't want that considering it was their highest rated show during its fourth season. IMO, John, Joyce, and Suzanne definitely deserved more than what they got, considering that the stars of Friends make $1,000,000+ per episode and, IMO, they're not nearly as talented as the stars of TC were.

Everything concerning your opinions depends on who you believe. IMO, for whatever reason I listen to Suzanne more. Maybe it's because she's generally quite frank when she talks about other subjects, so I feel that she's probably frank when she talks about Joyce. Joyce, on the other hand, seems to be harboring a lot of angry feelings, which aren't really healthy considering the contract dispute happened 24 years ago... I, personally, never hear or read about Suzanne making mean comments about Joyce...at least not recently...

The entire Joyce/Suzanne feud...well...you can't blame it on a single person. Both of them are responsible for it. Maybe they're just better off not being friends. After all of the mean things they've said about each other, it'd be hard to forget all that, IMO. It's their lives, their feelings, their responsibility.

I still don't see how the same people who think the stars of Friends are great people can think that Suzanne is a bitch for asking for more money. They both did the same thing: they played hardball in negotiations. Unfortunately for Suzanne, things didn't work out as well for her. I also think that the fact that she's a woman work against her. It seems like a lot of people still think that if you're a woman and ask for money, you're a greedy bitch. However, if you're a man, you're just asking for what you're entitled to. That makes no sense to me. :confused:

Originally posted by Sean Snow
Isn't The New York Daily News semi-tabloid-ish? If so, it would explain some of the errors. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with another paper...



No, you're probably thinking of the New York Post, the News is a respected paper, so I doubt that this isn't a factual story. Still, I'm surprised by some of Suzanne's comments, I didn't know the bad blood was that strong.

Originally posted by vashti1999
No, you're probably thinking of the New York Post, the News is a respected paper, so I doubt that this isn't a factual story. Still, I'm surprised by some of Suzanne's comments, I didn't know the bad blood was that strong.

Ah, yes, I was thinking of the New York Post.

I agree, some of the comments don't seem to jive that well with what she's said in other articles. I don't know; she just seems different in that article.

Originally posted by Sean Snow
Isn't The New York Daily News semi-tabloid-ish? If so, it would explain some of the errors. Or maybe I'm mixing it up with another paper...

Okay, maybe what I say next will sound biased because I don't really like Joyce as a person. She seems like a very bitter woman who can't get over what happened 24 years ago to me.



OK, i have to so disagree with you there. i dont really like ss as a person so that would be why all the things she has said dont make sense to me or always sound offensive. and what makes u think that joyce isnt over what happened 24 years ago? im sorry but some people cant just forgive and forget, considering all ss has said was that they were not really friends. and also ss threatened to sue john and joyce and have apparently passed some not so friendly words to eachother.

The amount of contact Joyce/Suzanne and John/Suzanne have made over the years has always changed in the press. At one point, both John and Suzanne said they had reconciled in 1996. However, in 2002, John and Suzanne both said they had just fully reconciled. Those dates do conflict each other, and by a lot.

At least Suzanne wasn't involved in a movie that purposely made Joyce look very bad. ;)



what movie would this be? the unauthorized story? b/c they did not make suzanne look bad! if ne thing they made her sleezball husband look like a jerk. i would love to know how she looked bad!!!

John was her friend for nearly four years in the seventies. Apparently, they reconciled in 1996. So, combined, that would mean they were on relatively good terms for eleven years. That's a pretty long time, if you ask me. Sure, maybe it's not as long as some others knew him, but it's still long, IMO.



henry was his friend for 25 years!!!!!! and ur counting the 4 yrs in the 70's and then the 8 yrs from 96. but there is a huge gap between the 70's and late 90's. she thinks way to highly of herself. i personally dont think she DESERVED to do the tribute.


IMO, it sounds like she thought that Joyce would be more than willing to do anything she could to pay tribute to John. While it would've been wise to ask, I can see why she did it.

Many in the television industry have done the same thing that Suzanne did during the fifth season. More recently, the supporting casts of The West Wing and Everybody Loves Raymond did it. While those shows are critically acclaimed, they haven't had the same ratings success that Three's Company had during it's run.

I have to agree with Suzanne on this -- it would've been very smart if they had all tried to get a salary increase at the same time. Sure, the show could replace one of them -- maybe even two -- but replacing ALL of them? If John had been involved, they probably could've gotten what they wanted since he was the darling child of the producers. Losing all three of them would mean losing the show, and ABC definitely wouldn't want that considering it was their highest rated show during its fourth season. IMO, John, Joyce, and Suzanne definitely deserved more than what they got, considering that the stars of Friends make $1,000,000+ per episode and, IMO, they're not nearly as talented as the stars of TC were.




ok u cannot use the show friends as any example. were talking in the 70's now, and that kind of money was ALOT!!!!! that was an awful lot of money going out to these people.

Everything concerning your opinions depends on who you believe. IMO, for whatever reason I listen to Suzanne more. Maybe it's because she's generally quite frank when she talks about other subjects, so I feel that she's probably frank when she talks about Joyce. Joyce, on the other hand, seems to be harboring a lot of angry feelings, which aren't really healthy considering the contract dispute happened 24 years ago... I, personally, never hear or read about Suzanne making mean comments about Joyce...at least not recently...



and why exactly shouldnt joyce have these "angry" feelings? i would have been pissed off! b/c of suzanne they lost money when she didnt show up for tapings(not only them but the crew too), and the show was put in a bad place. she jeprodised(sp) the show and as many people have said,"held it hostage" so y shouldnt joyce be mad. feelings stick and i personally wouldnt forgive suzanne. i wouldnt think ne thing of it, just let her do whatever she wants and ignore her. but thats just me.

The entire Joyce/Suzanne feud...well...you can't blame it on a single person. Both of them are responsible for it. Maybe they're just better off not being friends. After all of the mean things they've said about each other, it'd be hard to forget all that, IMO. It's their lives, their feelings, their responsibility.



i so agree. i think they are better off not being friends at all. i mean they never really were right?

I still don't see how the same people who think the stars of Friends are great people can think that Suzanne is a bitch for asking for more money. They both did the same thing: they played hardball in negotiations. Unfortunately for Suzanne, things didn't work out as well for her. I also think that the fact that she's a woman work against her. It seems like a lot of people still think that if you're a woman and ask for money, you're a greedy bitch. However, if you're a man, you're just asking for what you're entitled to. That makes no sense to me. :confused:



people dont think she is a bitch for asking for more money. its b/c she missed tapings, said nasty things about her "friends", and asked her fans to not watch the show while she was in this salary dispute. she couldnt just let it go or accept the $5,000 raise they were willing to give her. that is why we thing she is greedy as well!

Originally posted by M4cong
NOT TO MENTION.......ANOTHER WAY THAT SHE MAKES HERSELF FEEL BETTER------IS ALL THE PLASTIC SURGERY. I COULD GO ON ABOUT THIS EVEN MORE.......BUT I AM GOING TO STOP HERE. SORRY IF THIS OFFENDS ANYONE, WHICH I AM SURE IT WILL. I JUST WANTED TO SUPPORT J CONDON AND GIVE MY PERSPECTIVE.

I hope you know that Joyce also got surgery on her nose if you didn't notice in Season 8 of Three's Company. Priscilla also has had some major plastic surger and so has Jenilee and Suzanne. All of the girl roomates have had surgery....and yes it makes them feel better...but I'm getting the vibe that it's ok that Joyce, Priscilla and Jenilee have had surgery...but when Suzanne does it she is just a bitch. :confused:

We all have opinions on the contract dispute between the cast of the show. Some of us agree with Joyce , others Suzanne , others don`t know what to think. I have mixed feelings about this topic. For one , if Suzanne wanted more money for her work, she shouldn`t have skipped work and told everyone not to watch the show. She should have discussed this properly with the producers. Skipping work and talking about her co-stars wasn`t right. But , its not up to us to get these actresses speaking to each other again. They have to do what they want. I know its been what , 24 years? , since this happened? Well , if these actresses are as respectful and great as we think they are, they should forget about this whole thing and apologize , or just talk about it. But , hopefully , Joyce and Suzanne will apologize one day.

Originally posted by Trippergrl
We all have opinions on the contract dispute between the cast of the show. Some of us agree with Joyce , others Suzanne , others don`t know what to think. I have mixed feelings about this topic. For one , if Suzanne wanted more money for her work, she shouldn`t have skipped work and told everyone not to watch the show. She should have discussed this properly with the producers. Skipping work and talking about her co-stars wasn`t right. But , its not up to us to get these actresses speaking to each other again. They have to do what they want. I know its been what , 24 years? , since this happened? Well , if these actresses are as respectful and great as we think they are, they should forget about this whole thing and apologize , or just talk about it. But , hopefully , Joyce and Suzanne will apologize one day.

i see ur point but this isnt a black and white tv show, this is reality. its not always as easy as saying sorry and making up! there is a lot of stuff they went through and its going to take time. it would help if they were speaking to eachother but as long as they keep dissing eachother there never going to get through this.it doesnt matter how many years have gone by. they obviously are not in the mood to argue, b/c u know that if they get together its not going to be a big hug fest and all is forgiven like that. they are going to fight and argue. they each have there own opinions and they are not really the same. so its going to be rough when they finally do get together.

I think Trippergrl just wants to stop this whole discussion and I agree with her. Were not going to settle this and were not going to agree with eachother so why not drop it? Hopefully Joyce and Suzanne will talk...we'll just have to see. :)

Originally posted by Christmas Snow
I think Trippergrl just wants to stop this whole discussion and I agree with her. Were not going to settle this and were not going to agree with eachother so why not drop it? Hopefully Joyce and Suzanne will talk...we'll just have to see. :)

ya ur right. i mean us fighting over it isnt going to help them in any way. so i think its a good idea to just drop it.:)

Originally posted by JANET RULES!
ya ur right. i mean us fighting over it isnt going to help them in any way. so i think its a good idea to just drop it.:)

I agree! But I do understand what you mean , like when they do apologize , if they ever do , it won`t be as pretty as John and Suzannes reunion. I wasn`t trying to make it seem that way. But its a good idea to drop it ! :D

Remeber how we all felt for weeks after John Ritter's death. Everyone I knew felt really, really bad. And that sad feeling for many people went on for a long while. It was a celebrity death that was particularly hard.

It would have been so touching and bittersweet for Suzanne and Joyce to unite on the Emmy stage (with maybe the whole remaining cast including Don Knotts, Jenilee, Pam Barnes, and Larry). The mourning TV public would have been so touched and united in the memory. And it would have been a wonderful "tv moment". Because Suzanne is such a huckster (and I love her) the term tv moment sounded crass to some people coming out of her mouth. But I believe it would have been a truly touching tv moment that would have helped all of us one week after his death.

Also, if his untimely death would have been the spark that brought Suzanne and Joyce back together (which we all want so much) then maybe John could look at it in death and smile. It would certainly make all of us smile too.

HEY YOU ALL.......WHEN I WROTE MY COMMENTS, I HONESTLY DID NOT WANT TO SPARK A FIGHT......I BASICALLY JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE SITUATION. AND ----YES-----I AM A HUGE JOYCE FAN AND I ALWAYS WILL BE. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I BOUGHT THE COOLEST BRACELET OFF OF SUZANNE'S SHOPPING NETWORK TONIGHT. ;)

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REUNITE AND BE ON SPEAKING TERMS AGAIN. AND BECAUSE I AM SO SILLY.......:happyface
I ACTUALLY WROTE AN EMAIL TO DR. PHIL ASKING HIM TO HAVE SUZANNE AND JOYCE ON HIS SHOW FOR A LITTLE THERAPY SESSION AND TO RESOLVE THEIR DIFFERENCES. :D

ANYWAY---YEA, I AGREE. LET'S NOT MAKE THIS INTO A NASTY LITTLE FIGHT.......... WE ALL WILL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS AND FEELINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATIONS..........BUT IT IS ALL ABOUT TC=====AND DAMN IT.....THEY NEED TO PUT IT BACK ON THE AIR. :p

:wave:

[QUOTE]Originally posted by M4cong
I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REUNITE AND BE ON SPEAKING TERMS AGAIN. AND BECAUSE I AM SO SILLY.......:happyface
I ACTUALLY WROTE AN EMAIL TO DR. PHIL ASKING HIM TO HAVE SUZANNE AND JOYCE ON HIS SHOW FOR A LITTLE THERAPY SESSION AND TO RESOLVE THEIR DIFFERENCES. :D

u honestly did that? that was a good idea. do you think he will respond? that would be a good thing for them both. but im not too sure it would be a good idea to get them together for the first time on tv.lol. well we will just have to wait and find out:)

Originally posted by M4cong
HEY YOU ALL.......WHEN I WROTE MY COMMENTS, I HONESTLY DID NOT WANT TO SPARK A FIGHT......I BASICALLY JUST WANTED TO SHARE MY THOUGHTS ON THE SITUATION. AND ----YES-----I AM A HUGE JOYCE FAN AND I ALWAYS WILL BE. BUT I JUST WANT TO SAY THAT I BOUGHT THE COOLEST BRACELET OFF OF SUZANNE'S SHOPPING NETWORK TONIGHT. ;)

I ALSO WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM REUNITE AND BE ON SPEAKING TERMS AGAIN. AND BECAUSE I AM SO SILLY.......:happyface
I ACTUALLY WROTE AN EMAIL TO DR. PHIL ASKING HIM TO HAVE SUZANNE AND JOYCE ON HIS SHOW FOR A LITTLE THERAPY SESSION AND TO RESOLVE THEIR DIFFERENCES. :D

ANYWAY---YEA, I AGREE. LET'S NOT MAKE THIS INTO A NASTY LITTLE FIGHT.......... WE ALL WILL HAVE OUR OWN OPINIONS AND FEELINGS ABOUT THE WHOLE SITUATIONS..........BUT IT IS ALL ABOUT TC=====AND DAMN IT.....THEY NEED TO PUT IT BACK ON THE AIR. :p

:wave:


Wow! You actually did that? Lol , thats funny. Hopefully , he`ll right back!

Yea.....I did write an email to him, and I got back an email from is Assistant that said "Thank you for your comments, but because of the high number of emails from people, you may not receive feedback from him. He will definitely receive and read your email. Thanks for your comments."

So, who knows.........I am sure that Dr. Phil could not get both of them to commit to it anyway.

:wave:

Originally posted by M4cong
Yea.....I did write an email to him, and I got back an email from is Assistant that said "Thank you for your comments, but because of the high number of emails from people, you may not receive feedback from him. He will definitely receive and read your email. Thanks for your comments."

So, who knows.........I am sure that Dr. Phil could not get both of them to commit to it anyway.

:wave:

lol. hey ya never know. miracles can happen. lol:)

offtopic:
Hey Janet Rules! You should read the fanfic that zuzzy made about my TC synopsis where Chrissy dyes her hair brown. Here is the link: http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/showthread.php?s=&threadid=103592.

BTW, I'm online Janet!

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

That could be true, but then why would she refer to herself in third person. Anyway, how I feel about all this. I don't know, they're both very talented and I don't want to take sides in this argument, but I guess they should bury the hatchet. After all, John Ritter has forgiven Suzanne.

Originally posted by Daffyfan2004
[B]That could be true, but then why would she refer to herself in third person.[B]

maybe she doesnt want people to know it's her! haha i duno..

Since my original post has generated some much response, including the first two passionate responses from Suzanne fans (below enclosed by *****), I feel I have the right to reply (my reply is enclosed by "quotation marks.") Here goes:

*****"Umm I'm sorry but I thought Suzanne had good intentions because I am sure alot of fans would like to see Joyce and Suzanne together again and they wouldn't love anything better than to see the original roomates of Three's Company giving a special and wonderful send off for their dear friend John Ritter. Her intentions were good and if Joyce really wanted to contact Suzanne like you say, then she shouldn't be angry that Suzanne wants to appear on Television with her again for John death."*****

"Suzanne undoubtedly loved John but she had no regard for Joyce by putting her on the spot without contacting her first. Suzanne knows people want to see a reunion, but she refused to participate in a 3's Company reunion in 2002 (this was reported in the papers -- yes, there is evidence) -- so it never happened. She lost her chance, she snubbed and dissed Joyce over and over and then she had the gall to try to force Joyce publicly into appearing. Whether Joyce wanted to or not is beside the point; the way Suzanne handled this was bad. Period."

**** Do you realize that Suzanne probably scheduled to appear on the Fox morning show before Johns passing? No mater what its her job and she had to do it because she scheduled to be on TV.****

"Suzanne didn't have any new books or products out at that time, and she wasn't scheduled to appear. She was on that show strictly because John passed away. It was sweet and sincere of her to a point -- until she carried on about Joyce. And she took advantage of her air time to push her products. It was not her job, it was her choice. And it was wrong."

****You really have no clue how Suzanne of Joyce feels. After the fall wasn't written until after John's death so all of her anger, if she even had any left, may have left her after John's passing. You are accusing Suzanne of all these things but you have weak evidence to back up what your saying. ****

"Sorry, but this doesn't even make sense. After the Fall was published in 1998, and Suzanne went on to say catty things about Joyce on all sorts of shows since then. Suzanne has made it VERY clear how she truly feels about Joyce, and her own comments and actions are very strong evidence of such. Your not knowing that After the Fall was published five years prior to John's death tells me you have no evidence to back up what you're saying."

**** That is just a load of garbage. You do NOT know what Suzanne is feeling and for you to tell her to look in the mirror and giving her advice for a story that no one realy knows the real truth but Joyce and Suzanne is just plain wrong. I believe Suzanne cared alot about John and she is not using his death to get publicity. He was still a friend to her and both of them said on TV that they have reconciled. So you have to know that Suzanne is upset about is death, anyone who has been friends with someone and they die will be upset. Suzanne may feel upset because she couldn't get to know him better and be true friends with him again because of his death. Who knows, You don't know and I don't know. But
I just think its plain wrong to accuse someone of such awful things when some one has died and you don't even know all the facts and the real truth. Let us know when you've actually talked with Joyce or Suzanne personally.****

"Again, your passion for believing in Suzanne is clouding your reasoning. No doubt Suzanne loved John and mourns his passing. Nobody said she didn't. But Suzanne has a self-admitted history of lying and 23-year track record of using the media to take manipulative pot shots/backhanded comments at Joyce, and anyone who knows the facts know she lied during her 3's Co days. And she tells the same stories in this Daily news
article. And accusing Joyce of the very thing Suzanne is guilty of (as evidenced in her videotaped interviews and her own writings in After the Fall) is just plain wrong on Suzanne's part. Suzanne has accused Joyce of saying "awful" things, and someone is now just calling Suzanne on her own behavior. Nobody said she didn't make up with John or have true feelings for John. But to take these cheap shots at Joyce now -- after pulling the public stunt Suzanne pulled last Sept. after treating Joyce the way she did for years -- is way out of line. And Suzanne has opened herself up to being criticized for the very thing she criticizes Joyce, the producers and John for. So one need look no further than Suzanne's own public comments and actions to realize how she feels and question
her self-serving intentions when it comes to Joyce."

"I'll close with a comment from John in a 1999 People magazine article about Joyce. He said Joyce "is justified in many of her feelings about Suzanne." He knew the truth, and he basically sided with Joyce. And even though he and Suzanne first made up in 1995 (when John went up to her at a Broadway party), they had very, very little to do with each other until 2002, when John called her during the making of the 3's Company movie (and then Suzanne went on Entertainment Tonight and told everyone about his call). So perhaps Suzanne has some deep regret about losing John's friendship and her lost opportunities for healing old wounds that she has decided to, once again, project onto her dislike for Joyce."

Originally posted by vashti1999
I'm thinking J Condon is Joyce DeWitt.

I think I'm starting to agree with you too. I really think she is Joyce, just by the way she is writing.

And so, Joyce if that is you, or if you are out there reading our comments, I don't think anyone wanted to hurt your feelings. I know I certainly didn't mean to if I did.

Originally posted by J Condon

"Again, your passion for believing in Suzanne is clouding your reasoning.

Well your passion for Joyce is very noticeable and I am definately not the only one who has beliefs that "cloud my reasoning." We both have different ways of looking at things...for example you see Suzanne trying to do a reunion right after John's death as a bad thing, I see it as good. You know what, I didn't even read your post because I didn't care what you had to say I'm not changing my beliefs so this will go nowhere. I really am tired of argueing with you because I am never going to agree on anything you ever say about this particular subject so just drop it like we tried to do before you came back and brought back up again. Just drop it...were never going to get anywhere by fighting. I've officially washed my hands of this subject....its up to Joyce and Suzanne now. Whose with me?

Originally posted by Christmas Snow
Well your passion for Joyce is very noticeable and I am definately not the only one who has beliefs that "cloud my reasoning." We both have different ways of looking at things...for example you see Suzanne trying to do a reunion right after John's death as a bad thing, I see it as good. You know what, I didn't even read your post because I didn't care what you had to say I'm not changing my beliefs so this will go nowhere. I really am tired of argueing with you because I am never going to agree on anything you ever say about this particular subject so just drop it like we tried to do before you came back and brought back up again. Just drop it...were never going to get anywhere by fighting. I've officially washed my hands of this subject....its up to Joyce and Suzanne now. Whose with me?

I am! ;)

Christmas Snow, if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. Don't say someone has 'weak evidence' and call their informed opinion 'total garbage' if you can't handle their response or the criticism of your postings as well. Obviously, you read the last reply or else you wouldn't have responded the way you did. Grow up and discuss things like an adult, or move on and talk about stuff like Chrissy's shoes or something like that.

And if you want to "drop it," then drop it. Nobody's forcing you to keep reading this thread and posting your responses. But don't demand everyone else to be done talking about something just because you are. Bullying is unacceptable in threescompanyland.

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
Christmas Snow, if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. Don't say someone has 'weak evidence' and call their informed opinion 'total garbage' if you can't handle their response or the criticism of your postings as well. Obviously, you read the last reply or else you wouldn't have responded the way you did. Grow up and discuss things like an adult, or move on and talk about stuff like Chrissy's shoes or something like that.

And if you want to "drop it," then drop it. Nobody's forcing you to keep reading this thread and posting your responses. But don't demand everyone else to be done talking about something just because you are. Bullying is unacceptable in threescompanyland.

Okay, then if bullying is unacceptable, then why are you bullying my friend? She is just stating her opinion, just like everybody else is in this thread. She has a right to her opinion, doesn't she?

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
Christmas Snow, if you can't take it, you shouldn't dish it out. Don't say someone has 'weak evidence' and call their informed opinion 'total garbage' if you can't handle their response or the criticism of your postings as well. Obviously, you read the last reply or else you wouldn't have responded the way you did. Grow up and discuss things like an adult, or move on and talk about stuff like Chrissy's shoes or something like that.

And if you want to "drop it," then drop it. Nobody's forcing you to keep reading this thread and posting your responses. But don't demand everyone else to be done talking about something just because you are. Bullying is unacceptable in threescompanyland.

What the heck? I'm not bullying. My opinion is my opinion...and I know I'm not the only one who has offended people in this particular topic. I want to drop it because were not going to get anywhere and I wanted to let J Condon know that and now Im letting you know it as well...drop it and please don't say anything to me about it anymore because like I said, Ive washed my hands of the total topic. By the way...don't tell me to grow up....because you're just doing the same thing to me...and thats "bullying" me. So you can stop it too.

Absolutely she is entitled to her opinion. But so is J Condon. It is bullying to tell others to "drop it." I simply said if she wants to drop it, then she should drop it. Calling someone on their bullying and telling them to stop bullying others is not exactly being a bully.

No telling someone to stop bullying isn't a bully. Telling someone to 'grow up' is...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
Absolutely she is entitled to her opinion. But so is J Condon. It is bullying to tell others to "drop it." I simply said if she wants to drop it, then she should drop it. Calling someone on their bullying and telling them to stop bullying others is not exactly being a bully.

You are starting to sound like Chrissy Snow on TC. What do you mean?

I think it's clear what I mean. Telling someone to stop bossing people is not being a bully. But it's also clear that Christmas Snow is intent on getting the last word here. Like Suzanne, she apparently is always the victim.

Well, I too have washed my hands on the subject. I've stated my opinion, and I don't really care what anybody else has to say about it.

Okay you're taking this way too far. It's not that serious. This is starting to get rediculous. And that comment you just made is coming from a person who just told me to stop bullying...hmm very interesting.

Originally posted by Christmas Snow
Okay you're taking this way too far. It's not that serious. This is starting to get rediculous. And that comment you just made is coming from a person who just told me to stop bullying...hmm very interesting.

Hey, thanks! ;) Anyway, I'm through stating my opinion, and I don't intend to post any more replies on this thread.

Whatever. Chrissy's shoes are cool!!!

Yes they are very cool.

Don't mock me.

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
Whatever. Chrissy's shoes are cool!!!

OK, well, I can agree to that! In fact, I'm looking for a pair of them and as of yet, can't find them. ;)

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
Don't mock me.

Good god you are very sensitive. I was agreeing with you. I was trying to be nice but whatever I've washed my hands of this subject and of you as well.

I hope you used a moist towelette while washing, Christmas.

:lol:

See, I knew we could resolve this!

Originally posted by Frodo Roper
I hope you used a moist towelette while washing, Christmas.

Please, you two! Can you stop fighting? Just like me, Christmas was trying to agree with you, and all you can do is hold a grudge? He was trying to say, "Let's just get over our differences, and put them behind us and start new." Is there something wrong with that?

Originally posted by Miss Chrissy Snow
Please, you two! Can you stop fighting? Just like me, Christmas was trying to agree with you, and all you can do is hold a grudge? He was trying to say, "Let's just get over our differences, and put them behind us and start new." Is there something wrong with that?

I don't want to fight. He already knows I tried to be nice to him.

Oops sorry, my post came in late. I see u got over it. Never mind.

:lol: :crazy: :) ;)

im glad thats all settled with :) but now the question on most peoples minds is if J Condon is Joyce?

Yeah

Originally posted by fabernash
im glad thats all settled with :) but now the question on most peoples minds is if J Condon is Joyce?

Yeah, I agree. Why doesn't somebody (other than me ;)) ask her?

should we just wait for her, or perhaps him if it isnt joyce, to reply or should someone pm her?

Originally posted by fabernash
should we just wait for her, or perhaps him if it isnt joyce, to reply or should someone pm her?

IMO, I don't think she'd actually reply if it was her. I think someone should PM her.

I will

Originally posted by J Condon
Since my original post has generated some much response, including the first two passionate responses from Suzanne fans (below enclosed by *****), I feel I have the right to reply (my reply is enclosed by "quotation marks.") Here goes:

*****"Umm I'm sorry but I thought Suzanne had good intentions because I am sure alot of fans would like to see Joyce and Suzanne together again and they wouldn't love anything better than to see the original roomates of Three's Company giving a special and wonderful send off for their dear friend John Ritter. Her intentions were good and if Joyce really wanted to contact Suzanne like you say, then she shouldn't be angry that Suzanne wants to appear on Television with her again for John death."*****

"Suzanne undoubtedly loved John but she had no regard for Joyce by putting her on the spot without contacting her first. Suzanne knows people want to see a reunion, but she refused to participate in a 3's Company reunion in 2002 (this was reported in the papers -- yes, there is evidence) -- so it never happened. She lost her chance, she snubbed and dissed Joyce over and over and then she had the gall to try to force Joyce publicly into appearing. Whether Joyce wanted to or not is beside the point; the way Suzanne handled this was bad. Period."

**** Do you realize that Suzanne probably scheduled to appear on the Fox morning show before Johns passing? No mater what its her job and she had to do it because she scheduled to be on TV.****

"Suzanne didn't have any new books or products out at that time, and she wasn't scheduled to appear. She was on that show strictly because John passed away. It was sweet and sincere of her to a point -- until she carried on about Joyce. And she took advantage of her air time to push her products. It was not her job, it was her choice. And it was wrong."

****You really have no clue how Suzanne of Joyce feels. After the fall wasn't written until after John's death so all of her anger, if she even had any left, may have left her after John's passing. You are accusing Suzanne of all these things but you have weak evidence to back up what your saying. ****

"Sorry, but this doesn't even make sense. After the Fall was published in 1998, and Suzanne went on to say catty things about Joyce on all sorts of shows since then. Suzanne has made it VERY clear how she truly feels about Joyce, and her own comments and actions are very strong evidence of such. Your not knowing that After the Fall was published five years prior to John's death tells me you have no evidence to back up what you're saying."

**** That is just a load of garbage. You do NOT know what Suzanne is feeling and for you to tell her to look in the mirror and giving her advice for a story that no one realy knows the real truth but Joyce and Suzanne is just plain wrong. I believe Suzanne cared alot about John and she is not using his death to get publicity. He was still a friend to her and both of them said on TV that they have reconciled. So you have to know that Suzanne is upset about is death, anyone who has been friends with someone and they die will be upset. Suzanne may feel upset because she couldn't get to know him better and be true friends with him again because of his death. Who knows, You don't know and I don't know. But
I just think its plain wrong to accuse someone of such awful things when some one has died and you don't even know all the facts and the real truth. Let us know when you've actually talked with Joyce or Suzanne personally.****

"Again, your passion for believing in Suzanne is clouding your reasoning. No doubt Suzanne loved John and mourns his passing. Nobody said she didn't. But Suzanne has a self-admitted history of lying and 23-year track record of using the media to take manipulative pot shots/backhanded comments at Joyce, and anyone who knows the facts know she lied during her 3's Co days. And she tells the same stories in this Daily news
article. And accusing Joyce of the very thing Suzanne is guilty of (as evidenced in her videotaped interviews and her own writings in After the Fall) is just plain wrong on Suzanne's part. Suzanne has accused Joyce of saying "awful" things, and someone is now just calling Suzanne on her own behavior. Nobody said she didn't make up with John or have true feelings for John. But to take these cheap shots at Joyce now -- after pulling the public stunt Suzanne pulled last Sept. after treating Joyce the way she did for years -- is way out of line. And Suzanne has opened herself up to being criticized for the very thing she criticizes Joyce, the producers and John for. So one need look no further than Suzanne's own public comments and actions to realize how she feels and question
her self-serving intentions when it comes to Joyce."

"I'll close with a comment from John in a 1999 People magazine article about Joyce. He said Joyce "is justified in many of her feelings about Suzanne." He knew the truth, and he basically sided with Joyce. And even though he and Suzanne first made up in 1995 (when John went up to her at a Broadway party), they had very, very little to do with each other until 2002, when John called her during the making of the 3's Company movie (and then Suzanne went on Entertainment Tonight and told everyone about his call). So perhaps Suzanne has some deep regret about losing John's friendship and her lost opportunities for healing old wounds that she has decided to, once again, project onto her dislike for Joyce."

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