People interviewed on UM that you just didn't like

[GaryJ06]

I still think it was a serial killer, despite some advantageous results of the death of Ms. Levy towards a certain congressman (posters note*: a DC radio station during the scandal sent this congressman a new mattress)
Anyhow, i think that there is more evidence pointing to a serial killer than to government.
First, I think that the fact that they were govt. employees is a mere coincidence, and only really helps to hide the true criminal. Second, both Joyce and Chandra had similar physical qualities, and both lived in the same neighborhood in NW Washington. They were both petite, and both brunettes. They both traveled the same way to work. The only major difference is that Levy disappeared 2 yrs. after Joyce. The killer would have been able to see similar movements in both victims, and when he saw Levy, went out for another thrill killing.
Second, what many people forget about this case is the disappearance and murder of the "first victim" Christine Mirzayan, who was killed about 5 months before Joyce was.
I won't ignore the political attention either. Again, I don't think a high ranking political official had anything to do with either crime, but maybe an underling or a rank and file Capitol Hill worker. Joyce and Chandra while never crossing paths, worked in offices that were adjacent to each other, and Chrisina at one time was also a political intern.

I know I'm just playing armchair detective here, but i'm just trying to follow the evidence that I see

[kadrmas15]

CRicci, Dunne didnt write a book about the Levy case, but he might as well have, what he did was he went on Larry King's show and basically said that the now former congressman in question was/is the killer of Chandra Levy. This former Congressman sued Dunne for slander and Dunne and this former congressman later settled out of court for an undisclosed amount of money. This incident happened when this congressman was still in congress.

Then a year or two ago, Dunne slipped up again, he was talking about the case and once again basically said that this former congressman either killed Chandra Levy or was behind her murder and once again this former congressman sued for slander and once again the former congressman and Dunne settled out of court for an undetermined amount of money.

[kadrmas15]

I dont really have a problem with Dunne for the most part, he is part of the pro prosecution crowd but a majority of the time he has class and respect that the likes of Nancy Grace and others would never even think of possessing.

That said, he goes overboard from time to time, such as with the former congressman in the Levy case, or how Dunne was rather classless in bragging about how he ruined the career and life of a Los Angeles County Superior Court judge, all because Dunne didnt like the jury's verdict.

This was in the trial of Dunne's daughter who was murdered in 1982, I understand why he didnt like the verdict, but for him to burn the judge at the stake? It wasnt the judge's fault the jury ruled that Dominique Dunne's killer was guilty of "only" involuntary manslaughter. How you can convict a person of involuntary manslaughter when they strangled another person to death in their driveway with their bare hands is beyond me, but that is what they came to.

He was originally charged with 2nd degree murder, but the jury was allowed to consider the lesser offense and that is the decision they came to. Dominique's killer, her former boyfriend John Sweeney was sentenced to 6 years in prison, but was released after 3. Dunne even tried to hire a contract killer to kill Sweeney when he was released from prison, I mean, I understand why Dunne would do all he did, but to ruin a judge's career and then brag about it? Classless.

[GaryJ06]

lol i knew it was like 434-1, but didn't know he was the 1

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by GaryJ06

I still think it was a serial killer, despite some advantageous results of the death of Ms. Levy towards a certain congressman (posters note*: a DC radio station during the scandal sent this congressman a new mattress)
Anyhow, i think that there is more evidence pointing to a serial killer than to government.
First, I think that the fact that they were govt. employees is a mere coincidence, and only really helps to hide the true criminal. Second, both Joyce and Chandra had similar physical qualities, and both lived in the same neighborhood in NW Washington. They were both petite, and both brunettes. They both traveled the same way to work. The only major difference is that Levy disappeared 2 yrs. after Joyce. The killer would have been able to see similar movements in both victims, and when he saw Levy, went out for another thrill killing.
Second, what many people forget about this case is the disappearance and murder of the "first victim" Christine Mirzayan, who was killed about 5 months before Joyce was.
I won't ignore the political attention either. Again, I don't think a high ranking political official had anything to do with either crime, but maybe an underling or a rank and file Capitol Hill worker. Joyce and Chandra while never crossing paths, worked in offices that were adjacent to each other, and Chrisina at one time was also a political intern.

I know I'm just playing armchair detective here, but i'm just trying to follow the evidence that I see

yup, I agree with your logic. I think that metro DC police commander is a complete joke and an embarassment to law enforcement. to go on national t.v. and mock a person who was likely a victim of murder(whether it can be proven or not) and say it's not related to anything and can't be investigated?? and then suggest possible suicide? sorry for the run on sentence. I think it is a killer at work, and sure it could definitely be related. What about the message that the killer may have left on the side of a building? It is certainly an intriugeing case since it shares so many similiarities with the two other victims. Senator Conduit(spelling) certainly came out from under the microscope thanks to Sept 11. He was under heat, but the media hype for he or chandra never returned. and poor joyce chiang and the other female...... no one even talked about.

[kadrmas15]

It is Congressman not Senator, Condit was never a senator, he might have aspired to be one but was never one. I actually liked Condit when he was in congress, he was a sensible democrat, I actually liked Jim Traficant too and still do.

Traficant, when he was convicted, refused to resign, as a convicted felon, while he can hold office as a congressman, a convicted felon cannot vote or hold any committee assignments, so basically he was just hanging around, picking up paychecks. So finally the congress moved to expel him because he wouldnt leave office voluntarily, even all the democrats voted to expel him except for Condit as Wiseguy mentioned.

Traficant was the first congressman expelled since the early 1980's and only the 2nd congressman to be expelled since the civil war era. But I always liked Traficant and his toupee's and his wild ideas and stuff. Hard to believe Traficant was actually the sheriff of his local county in Youngstown, Ohio before he went to congress.

Condit went into the ice cream business after leaving congress, but of course, once people found out who he was they stopped buying ice cream from him, this was after Condit moved to Arizona because basically he couldnt live in California anymore because no one there wanted anything to do with him. How ironic that Condit was from Modesto, California, the same town as Scott Peterson.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by kadrmas15

It is Congressman not Senator, Condit was never a senator, he might have aspired to be one but was never one. I actually liked Condit when he was in congress, he was a sensible democrat, I actually liked Jim Traficant too and still do.

Traficant, when he was convicted, refused to resign, as a convicted felon, while he can hold office as a congressman, a convicted felon cannot vote or hold any committee assignments, so basically he was just hanging around, picking up paychecks. So finally the congress moved to expel him because he wouldnt leave office voluntarily, even all the democrats voted to expel him except for Condit as Wiseguy mentioned.

Traficant was the first congressman expelled since the early 1980's and only the 2nd congressman to be expelled since the civil war era. But I always liked Traficant and his toupee's and his wild ideas and stuff. Hard to believe Traficant was actually the sheriff of his local county in Youngstown, Ohio before he went to congress.

Condit went into the ice cream business after leaving congress, but of course, once people found out who he was they stopped buying ice cream from him, this was after Condit moved to Arizona because basically he couldnt live in California anymore because no one there wanted anything to do with him. How ironic that Condit was from Modesto, California, the same town as Scott Peterson.

my fault, thanks for the correction...........rep condit.

[synthisislab]

Originally Posted by RoosterCrow

The Eric Tamiyasu case. That guy Don Dixon was pretty strange. It made me wonder if he was actually involved.

I think Don Dixon and the cop Sheriff Joe Wampler (whose wife Eric was supposedly involved with) were both pretty unlikable and highly suspicious in their interviews. It makes me wonder if both were involved in his murder.

I also want to add Don Sherman to the list as well as Ben Markowitz whose brother Nick was kidnapped and killed by Jesse James Hollywood and his scumbag friends for Ben's drug debt. And Ben was defiant and egotistical in his interview and wasn't sympathetic about him being ultimately responsible for his brother's kidnapping and death at all.

[synthisislab]

Originally Posted by DALLASTEXAN!!

jack barrett idiot police commander for washington DC metro police. his statements about the chandra levy judy chiang murders.

I just saw this segment again and could this Commander Jack Barrett be any more of an idiot? They didn't even investigate the Joyce Chiang case as a murder like it should have been and the killer gets to do the same to others. I wonder if there are any similar sorts of homicides in that area since this segment aired other than the Chandra Levy and Christine Mirzayan ones mentioned in the segment and if these idiot investigators are sitting on their hands in those cases as well while a serial killer operates.

[charmedsignora]

You said it!

I'm sorry, but you don't stop working on a case just because you can't determine how she died. If that happens, you FIND OUT how she died! Did they ever think of interviewing the employees at Starbucks? Checking her credit cards for fingerprints? Examining the riverbank for tire tracks or something?

They could have done so much more in this case!

[synthisislab]

Aren't the investigators supposed to work all unnatural death cases as if they were homicides from the get go to make sure they catch the perpetrator (if it was a murder) and to have all the evidence that was available to them to make sure they convict the killer(s) in court? I'm wondering if a serial killer is still working the DC area since it was apparent that the investigators didn't seem to care or even want to care that there is a person out there abducting and killing women. Now he can go on abducting and killing, maybe change up his MO a little to throw off the gumshoes, and he can get another free pass, unless the bureacratic dinosaurs in the FBI are all gone. Hopefully someone new will come along and re-open this investigation and compare these cases for similar ones nearby to find the right patterns and work up some suspects. I wonder is maybe even the killer was a very powerful person in DC and covered his tracks. I'd hate to push blind conspiracy theories like that, but it would fit with why the investigators didn't look at Joyce Chiang's death as the homicide that it apparently was immediately and at first glance call it suicide. Misdiagnosing homicide immediately as a suicide and then closing any further investigation into the death isn't done that often from what I gather and seems to only happen when some form of the government is involved to cover up like Dan Casolaro, Charles Morgan, Doug Johnston, Ralph Sigler, and Joyce Chiang.
It's screwed up when the police would rather cover their own asses and instead of taking responsibility and getting a slap on the wrist, someone else has to die because they were too inept to stop the killer in the first place.

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by DP1

Cynthia Anderson's father was creepy, did you notice he just kept smiling in this very bizarre way like he was just awfully amused with himself. Certainly not the reaction one would expect from a man whose daughter had been missing around a decade by that point.


I didn't like this guy at all either. He took a cheap shot at his daugther and barely seemed like he cared what happened.

He was such a freak! His daughter is missing and probably dead. What does he do? Talk about his feelings, his fears? No, he bitches about how she skipped breakfast and put on make up. Dude, I know their family was religious, but please......make up and an empty stomach does not make a person vanish.

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

LOL. I'm beating several people to the punch when I say this, but I can think of several "concerned husbands" who came off as pretty darn insincere in the UM segments:

1. PAUL POLLIS-- Duh. We all know how I (and several others) feel about him and his desire for an obsessively clean house.

2. STEPHEN MARFEO-- The fact that he committed a murder-suicide in the last day of his life makes me wonder if he didn't kill his wife as well.

3. MARK NICHOLS-- WHO remembers EVERYTHING their wife took out of the closet... seriously?

4. CHAD NOE-- Nevermind the fact that I think he was totally involved in the disappearance of Wendy Camp. I just don't like him. Period.

Bob Bean.....he was a smug know it all obviously overcompensating for something....rejection perhaps?

[mphs95]

Originally Posted by HyeTev

Totally agree. Missy's mother seemed to come off as a passive enabler. She could have done more to keep her away from Strickland, IMO.

I liked the way the Michigan cop said she was as guilty as he was and that he wanted them BOTH. She should have gone to the big house too.

I tried looking up Missy Munday in the Michigan DOC website, but couldn't find her. Does anyone know what's happened to her since her and Jerry were busted d/t UM?

[supersally1974]

I don't want to kick anyone when they are down but I had difficulty watching the segment about the case of Alexander Olive. It was difficult for me to understand why his mother would go back with the man who drugged her to take advantage of her sexually, in the first place.
It's frustrating to see someone repeat the same pattern of abuse.

Addendum: It's not that I disliked Pam Olive, I just could not understand how her survival instincts did not kick in at one point. How many red flags do you need before your inner voice kicks in and says: "Ok, now is the best time to get away as far as you can from this psychopath."