Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[Jon]

If you believe Rob killed Angela, then you have to believe that he dumped her body, which would have to be at least a little bit of distance from the center of town, where I gather the payphone was. Now I don't know the exact location where the vehicle crapped out, but it would have to be within a short distance of the payphone - not more than a few blocks.

So, if Rob killed Angela, he would have to dump the body, drive back to the center of town, where his vehicle transmission suddenly gave out for some unknown reason. The odds of that happening in that location, for any reason other than Rob described (throwing it in reverse hastily while chasing Angela's abductor) is virtually zero in my mind. It clears him as a suspect. It may have been an old car, and transmissions do go out eventually. But the odds of it crapping out just blocks from the payphone, after he's just driven to another location to dump her body, are just nonexistent.

[mozartpc27]

I think someone is unclear on what it means when law enforcement "clears" someone in an investigation. Hint: it doesn't mean "he passed the polygraph and we can't PROVE he's guilty, so he must be innocent! Let's go out of our way to publicly state that he is not a suspect in this case."

[Hasho]

@Freakbook, another interesting thing I came to think about was that the "abductor" said "I didn't need to use the phone anyways" after abducting Angela. I never thought of it before, but now I realize what kind of horsecrap that sounds like.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Hasho

@Freakbook, another interesting thing I came to think about was that the "abductor" said "I didn't need to use the phone anyways" after abducting Angela. I never thought of it before, but now I realize what kind of horsecrap that sounds like.

Exactly, thank you Hasho. Why say ANYTHING if you're kidnapping someone while they're on the phone? Homeboy circled around her multiple times, waited for her patiently, and even tried to be nice to enough to "pretend" to look for something with a flash light, just so he can waste all of that time speaking into the phone? Lol. Sure. That's also another CONVENIENT point for Mr. Shafer. "Yeah, I heard him too"

And let's all be honest here, if he was driving behind him for sometime, isn't it weird that he didn't get ANY of the license plate number?

[SertumAEnigmA]

Originally Posted by freakbook

We must be, because when I watched the interview I saw a guy who practiced his story in front of the mirror, and learned to make certain facial movements on cue. I see a guy who lied, or is guilty and fabricated bits of his story. But hey, we're different.

That's great about your job, but you aren't a machine, nor are you perfect. I'm sure you make mistakes, and have errors all of the time. Just because a chef has been making pizza for years, doesn't mean he never burns one.

Like I said, I'm open-minded enough to accept that he COULD be innocent. But I don't. I think he's guilty. I am not swaying ya'll, and ya'll aren't swaying me. We can just call this a truce.

I will say however, when I first watched it I thought he was innocent. But I watched it two more times, and it just seemed too close on the nose. It was one thing if he seen the truck, or assumed, but she had enough wiggle room to scream his name? Naaaaah. Not buying it. Sorry folks.

Yep so cold and so calculated. Outsmarted everyone. So smart, yet it was pretty stupid to describe a unique truck to perfection.

Trust me. Anyone with half a brain would have said, "Kinda looked like a Ford, maybe a Chevy. Looked gray, but might have been light blue or brown".

[LooksLikeCRicci]

Originally Posted by freakbook

And let's all be honest here, if he was driving behind him for sometime, isn't it weird that he didn't get ANY of the license plate number?

That's easy. Clinton, Missouri? With its whopping population of 8,000 in 1990? I'd bet the farm it was a dirt road. Unless it's raining, you're going to kick up a hell of a lot of dust. And it was dark. Probably not a lot of street lamps illuminating the path.

There's no proof it WASNT a dirt road, so it must be true.

[TheCars1986]

I wish there was more information about Cheryl Kenney's disappearance. It was mentioned in passing in the UM segment about Angela, and besides her Charley Project page, there's next to nothing online about it, in terms of details. The CP page mentions that she was working with a janitor on the night she disappeared, and that the janitor left minutes before she closed the store. This janitor says that he saw a male customer walking around in the store as he left. The janitor never saw a vehicle outside in the parking lot, so he assumed the guy walked to the store (evidently there were several hotels within walking distance). There is ZERO information about this customer. Not even a description. This could be another Megadeth like situation like in the Debra Poe case. The guy could just be an innocent customer, but he could also provide crucial information to the case. This is how the convenience store looks today. There are possible blind spots for a vehicle to be parked where the janitor didn't see one and was mistaken. What's odd is that Cheryl was supposed to work until midnight that night, but punched out at 10:00 p.m., and then set the store alarm at 10:17 p.m. And moments after she set the alarm, two nearby factory workers heard a female scream. So it's doubtful that this male customer waited inside the store for the janitor to leave, only to force her out of the store at gunpoint before making her do her daily routine of closing down the store (cleaning, setting the alarm, etc).

The only other interesting thing I've found with regards to the case was an old websleuths thread were someone posted this:

According to Cheryl's son, who was 10 at the time, she was being stalked/harrassed by a MHP at the time of her disappearance. He was well known to have many girlfriends and was also married. She had just bought a car and she had the only key and yet her estranged husband drove the car away the next day. It was 3 days before the local police investigated her disappearance. Her car had a motorcycle helmut in the back seat although none of her friends or family rode and none had any idea where it came from. Two workers from a nearby factory heard screams at the approximate time of her disappearance, but thought it was coming from a nearby tavern. The MHP has given so many conflicting stories about the remains found SE of town that noone believes them anymore. The person who found the remains died in a suspicious suicide a few years later. The LEO who was stalking her was involved in the investgation of the remains as well as her initial disappearance, so all evidence is suspect.

Someone claiming to be Cheryl's son then corrects the information about the motorcycle helmet, and says that Cheryl's husband and his friend rode their motorcycles around looking for Cheryl and that when they found her car, this is how the helmet got inside. The husband DID move the car prior to the cops processing it. I know this would typically set off red flags, BUT the police did not treat her disappearance as a priority. They waited 3 days before actually making a report. They initially thought she took off because she was depressed over the loss of her mother. They believed that because she clocked out early that she had planned on leaving that night. When they finally found out that she only had $6 on her and that there was no activity on her bank accounts, they finally took down the report. So whoever took her had a 3 day head start. The husband had an alibi and I do not believe that he is considered a suspect. He did move the car, but at that point, could you blame him? The car was brand new, and the cops were not taking her disappearance seriously, so what was he supposed to do at that point with the car? He couldn't leave it at the store (someone could break into it, or steal it outright), and back in 1991, not a lot of people knew about preserving scenes for forensic evidence. And there is no evidence that Cheryl even made it to her car that night. I do find the aspect of a law enforcement official being a suspect very intriguing. It could explain why the investigation was so slow moving, and why there's a complete lack of detail about the case. I would still like to know more about the janitor (did he have an alibi shortly after he says he left the store) and this male customer (was he a customer, did he see anyone else, or was he involved somehow).

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I wish there was more information about Cheryl Kenney's disappearance. It was mentioned in passing in the UM segment about Angela, and besides her Charley Project page, there's next to nothing online about it, in terms of details. The CP page mentions that she was working with a janitor on the night she disappeared, and that the janitor left minutes before she closed the store. This janitor says that he saw a male customer walking around in the store as he left. The janitor never saw a vehicle outside in the parking lot, so he assumed the guy walked to the store (evidently there were several hotels within walking distance). There is ZERO information about this customer. Not even a description. This could be another Megadeth like situation like in the Debra Poe case. The guy could just be an innocent customer, but he could also provide crucial information to the case. This is how the convenience store looks today. There are possible blind spots for a vehicle to be parked where the janitor didn't see one and was mistaken. What's odd is that Cheryl was supposed to work until midnight that night, but punched out at 10:00 p.m., and then set the store alarm at 10:17 p.m. And moments after she set the alarm, two nearby factory workers heard a female scream. So it's doubtful that this male customer waited inside the store for the janitor to leave, only to force her out of the store at gunpoint before making her do her daily routine of closing down the store (cleaning, setting the alarm, etc).

The only other interesting thing I've found with regards to the case was an old websleuths thread were someone posted this:



Someone claiming to be Cheryl's son then corrects the information about the motorcycle helmet, and says that Cheryl's husband and his friend rode their motorcycles around looking for Cheryl and that when they found her car, this is how the helmet got inside. The husband DID move the car prior to the cops processing it. I know this would typically set off red flags, BUT the police did not treat her disappearance as a priority. They waited 3 days before actually making a report. They initially thought she took off because she was depressed over the loss of her mother. They believed that because she clocked out early that she had planned on leaving that night. When they finally found out that she only had $6 on her and that there was no activity on her bank accounts, they finally took down the report. So whoever took her had a 3 day head start. The husband had an alibi and I do not believe that he is considered a suspect. He did move the car, but at that point, could you blame him? The car was brand new, and the cops were not taking her disappearance seriously, so what was he supposed to do at that point with the car? He couldn't leave it at the store (someone could break into it, or steal it outright), and back in 1991, not a lot of people knew about preserving scenes for forensic evidence. And there is no evidence that Cheryl even made it to her car that night. I do find the aspect of a law enforcement official being a suspect very intriguing. It could explain why the investigation was so slow moving, and why there's a complete lack of detail about the case. I would still like to know more about the janitor (did he have an alibi shortly after he says he left the store) and this male customer (was he a customer, did he see anyone else, or was he involved somehow).

Here is a link to a thread started by her son on here. There is some decent information and theories tossed around by her son and another supposed resident of the town where she disappeared from.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=257755

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by Hambone2421

Here is a link to a thread started by her son on here. There is some decent information and theories tossed around by her son and another supposed resident of the town where she disappeared from.

http://www.sitcomsonline.com/boards/...d.php?t=257755

Thanks for that.

I tried searching for information on newspapers.com and could only find articles that briefly mentioned Cheryl in relation to Angela Hammond.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

There's no proof it WASNT a dirt road, so it must be true.

Oh, you

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by SertumAEnigmA

Yep so cold and so calculated. Outsmarted everyone. So smart, yet it was pretty stupid to describe a unique truck to perfection.

Trust me. Anyone with half a brain would have said, "Kinda looked like a Ford, maybe a Chevy. Looked gray, but might have been light blue or brown".

Him describing that truck to a full detail is a great lie. 2600 matches popped up, so it wasn't that "unique". Obviously it was a truck common in the area for so many matches to come up, so if you're describing a common truck, then that's 2600 matches they have to go through.

And if it was stupid to describe a "unique" truck, then how come they never found it out of the 2600 matches?

Actually, I get what you're trying to say. You make sense. But, if I'm lying in a disappearance investigation and I'm guilty, then I'm going to give the most fleshed out answers I possibly can, so they wouldn't hound me. Giving them a truck so common that 2600 matches popped up is genius. With so many trucks, it's going to be very hard to narrow down 1 match, then add that they have an ACTUAL vehicle to look for, not a vague description that they aren't going to believe. Then think about it, he "drove" behind this vehicle, so even if he's lying, giving them a crappy description is going to make them raise eyebrows.

It's easier to give a vague description of a man "beard, dirty, glasses" because they can't hound you on that. But if you give a full description of a vehicle then they have something to look for, and you look like "less" of a liar.

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

That's easy. Clinton, Missouri? With its whopping population of 8,000 in 1990? I'd bet the farm it was a dirt road. Unless it's raining, you're going to kick up a hell of a lot of dust. And it was dark. Probably not a lot of street lamps illuminating the path.

Sorry sweetheart, the segment said it was on a "downtown street". Even in the reenactment they show him on a concrete road. And if it was so "dark", and not alot of lamps then how did Angela witness Rob's car speeding in the pitch black of the night while being held captive in a truck?

And to poke a little more holes in your logic, why wouldn't his HIGH BEAMS be on at night? If he's trailing right behind the truck with his high beams on, I'm sure he could make out a little of the license plate.

This is easy, and fun. Keep it comin' guys.

[Hasho]

I did read in the book someone posted in the last few pages that police were pretty uncertain of this story by Rob Schafer and both he and an ex boyfriend of Angela were persons of interest.

[freakbook]

Originally Posted by Hasho

I did read in the book someone posted in the last few pages that police were pretty uncertain of this story by Rob Schafer and both he and an ex boyfriend of Angela were persons of interest.

Mmmmmm the plot thickens...

Ya know, Hasho, I've been thinking alot about the ex. Ever since I read that the baby might be his, and that he was "cleared" by investigators I wonder what was up with him?

Did she break up with him for Rob? Did he not want her to have the baby? Was there beef between him and Rob over Angela?

The fact that he was suspected at all while she was dating Rob has made me wonder.

[dynoguy88]

Side note: The origin of this thread is amazing. It started in 2005 with just a few responses (one of them me) and then it went dead for two years.

Starting in 2007, it became a 'hot topic' and has now been ongoing for 10 years and 77 pages. If this isn't the longest thread in our history, it's got to AT LEAST be in the top 5.

[JRA2000TL]

I still side with Rob on this one. I think he's innocent. What motive would he really have, anyway? He appeared to be sincere in his interview. No evidence to support his guilt anyway.