TV Network for Gays, Lesbians to Debut

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

well, reading your post, you aren't the type of Christian who should be offended by that. You don't agree with being gay, but yet you aren't throwing bricks or condemning that gays and lesbians should go to hell, nor are you going to funerals of gay men and picketing and yelling "your ****** son's in hell now!!!" to their mothers.

There are many, many, many Christians (althought they are maybe only 2% of the community, kinda like people like Michael Moore give Democrats a bad name and Rush Limbaugh to Republicans... even tho those types are only like 1-2% of the parties) who will use God's name as an excuse to say that all gays and lesbians are going to hell, that "God hates ***s" (there's even a so-called "Christian" website called this) and that "AIDS is God's punishment to homosexuals for their ways". Those are the type of people that are being attacked when people attack "Christians" who are gay-bashers.

It's the likes of Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps that people are pointing at when they talk about how ignorant and hatefilled Christians could be, and the sad thing is that that very small percentage of the Christian population has soured the entire concept to many people. It's sad really. I have a close friend who gives me hell for going to church, because "how can you be gay and go to church considering how they want you to burn in hell".

I understand where you are coming from, but also understand that those people are radicals, much like terrorists are radicals of the muslim religion. Those Christian radicals are in the minority. Believe me, a true man or woman of God knows that Aids is not punishment for gays. It is ignorant thinking, because God does not punish anyone. He gave us free will to make our own decisions, so punishment for our sins is non-existant on this earth. What God wants is love and tolerance no matter who you are.

[Screenwriter]

The whole free will thing. So God gives Adam and Eve free will before Adam eats from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Of God is omniscient, omnipresent, prophetic and such, don't you think God knew that Adam was going to COMMIT that SIN before it happened?

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by Screenwriter

The whole free will thing. So God gives Adam and Eve free will before Adam eats from the tree of knowledge of good and evil. Of God is omniscient, omnipresent, prophetic and such, don't you think God knew that Adam was going to COMMIT that SIN before it happened?

Yes he knows everything. It is also called free will.

[Screenwriter]

How can prophecy and free will coexist?

I'm not saying it does, I'm just saying how can it? It comes off to my human brain as a paradox.

Because of what we understand, the definition of prophecy is a set of events that are structured in a certain manner to take place. Where does the free will come in?

[Brian Damage]

Prophecy is just seeing the events before they happen. Free will is what caused the sin to see that event take place.

[Screenwriter]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Prophecy is just seeing the events before they happen. Free will is what caused the sin to see that event take place.

Yeah, but Prophecy is still a preordained outcome that will occur in the future.

This is WAY too confusing.

[ABlairican Pie]

Originally Posted by Screenwriter

Yeah, but Prophecy is still a preordained outcome that will occur in the future.

This is WAY too confusing.

Actually, prophecy was a little bit more than mere soothsaying or fortune-telling. In the Old Testament, it was God's statement to people in power and the followers who were listening, that if certain things were not done to promote compassion and justice, then such and such catastrophes would happen to a ruler's kingdom. A prophecy was conditional, judgement would not fall on the powerful if certain conditions were met, such as treating citizens, especially the poor and disenfranchised, fairly. If a king or ruler continued in the ways of corruption and cruelty, then God would punish them.

[barwars]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Read the bible and come to your own conclusions. I am not brainwashed, I have always felt homosexuality was wrong. As a "Christian" as you claim to be, do you attend church regularly? Do you read the bible?

Not only do I attend church every Sunday, but I also work there as well. I do not read the bible, because I've heard it all before. I would prefer it if you didn't put "Christian" in quotes like that, suggesting that I'm not. Even if I were to attend church and read the bible everyday of my life, it makes me no better and no worse than those who have never read the bible and have never been to church. The only thing you need to be a Christian is to believe Jesus was/is the son of God. Aside from that, everything else is trivial.


About prophecy and free will: I'd like to think that a prophecy does not exist.... otherwise God has a lot of explaining to do.

[Kristina]

Originally Posted by Bobby F.

Why do you even worry about how people think? You seem pretty secure in who you are. Go on about your business and let them deal with the situation. I, personaly, am against homosexuality. I think it's a sin and will be dealt with in the afterlife. That being said I hold no grudges towards gay people anymore than I would with anyone else. It all depends how people treat each other. I have known some really good gay people just like I have known some really good black, white, yellow, green....people. I don't try and push my lifestyle on anyone just like I would hope that no one will try to push theirs on me. As far as the TV shows, like I said earlier, it just stinks that everything has to be "a black channel, a gay channel, a spanish channel.." Once again WE have to break it down into race or lifestyle. So much for coming together.

A SPANISH CHANNEL IS FOR THE LANGUAGE, NOT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA SPEAKS ENGLISH!

[TripperFan]

Originally Posted by Kristina

A SPANISH CHANNEL IS FOR THE LANGUAGE, NOT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA SPEAKS ENGLISH!

Exactly - we have SEVERAL French speaking channels here. There's at least one Chinese (in both Mandarin and Cantonese), a Portuguese, an Italian and even an Inuit language channel. On Saturday mornings most stations are carrying shows catering to East Indians, Malaysians and other middle eastern or Asian cultures. It's no big deal. There's still plenty of entertainment for English speaking people too. That's what free airwaves should be doing - putting out a little something for everyone.

[Bobby F.]

Originally Posted by Kristina

A SPANISH CHANNEL IS FOR THE LANGUAGE, NOT EVERYBODY IN AMERICA SPEAKS ENGLISH!

You are apparently unable to understand the example. Take out the spanish channel and then maybe you'll be able to understand it better.

[Kristina]

Originally Posted by Bobby F.

You are apparently unable to understand the example. Take out the spanish channel and then maybe you'll be able to understand it better.

You are apparently unable to understand that the channels are for foreigners who do not fluently speak English. Stop saying Mexican channels then, _____.

[TripperFan]

Originally Posted by Bobby F.

You are apparently unable to understand the example. Take out the spanish channel and then maybe you'll be able to understand it better.

I don't agree Bobby - its not television programming that is pulling people apart. I wish it were that simple.

Bigotry is taught - whether it be by parents, schools, churchs (sorry - no offense intended - all religions teach some form to some degree). I used to have this very argument with my own parents. It took my mother years to realize that I was right. Once she did, she was able to change a lot of her views and died a much happier person for it.

I'm not going to like black or gay people any less because they have "their own" channel. I don't even consider it their own! I watch a lot of stuff on BET - if its an interesting show - I'm going to watch it. Just because I became an adult didn't stop me from tuning in to the Cartoon Network sometimes!

[James"Thunder"Early]

Originally Posted by TripperFan

I don't agree Bobby - its not television programming that is pulling people apart. I wish it were that simple.

Bigotry is taught - whether it be by parents, schools, churchs (sorry - no offense intended - all religions teach some form to some degree). I used to have this very argument with my own parents. It took my mother years to realize that I was right. Once she did, she was able to change a lot of her views and died a much happier person for it.

I'm not going to like black or gay people any less because they have "their own" channel. I don't even consider it their own! I watch a lot of stuff on BET - if its an interesting show - I'm going to watch it. Just because I became an adult didn't stop me from tuning in to the Cartoon Network sometimes!

I agree with you. Channels like BET and Telemundo are for people to see their culture and they welcome people not of their culture to view their shows. BBC has channels for each region of Britain, one for Wales and on for Scotland.

[Bobby F.]

Originally Posted by TripperFan

I don't agree Bobby - its not television programming that is pulling people apart. I wish it were that simple.

Bigotry is taught - whether it be by parents, schools, churchs (sorry - no offense intended - all religions teach some form to some degree). I used to have this very argument with my own parents. It took my mother years to realize that I was right. Once she did, she was able to change a lot of her views and died a much happier person for it.

I'm not going to like black or gay people any less because they have "their own" channel. I don't even consider it their own! I watch a lot of stuff on BET - if its an interesting show - I'm going to watch it. Just because I became an adult didn't stop me from tuning in to the Cartoon Network sometimes!

I agree that it's not just television. My point is this is just one more thing that has to be separated because of race or a lifestyle. The Cartoon Network is a speciality channel just like ESPN. They are based on peoples likes not on their race or how they live their life.