Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

Given McDuff's penchant for abducting women who happened to be alone, I really have to wonder if it could have been him. He chose very secluded hiding spots when burying his victims and fessed up before execution to several locations, including the body of Colleen Reed. Honestly, I can't even watch that segment anymore after learning what he and his accomplice did to her. It makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I couldn't stop thinking about it for over a week after watching the American Justice segment.

McDuff, besides being a horrible person and killer, was also an arrogant arsehole. Watch interviews with him and he will deny his guilt and try to be like an innocent, falsely accused man. He does lay on the schmooze well enough that any not acquainted to the cases he's connected to may well believe him. This is why I think there are likely many more victims that we don't know about. He wasn't officially pointed out as a possible suspect, so he never said. He fought never to confess or reveal. If Angela or any others killed by him are out there undiscovered, we'll likely never know.

I certainly find him a more likely suspect than Rob.

and to think the state of texas let the man out of jail......I wonder how many victims are out there? I don't understand these beasts.....I really hope shows like UM continue to help communities fight back.

[soilentgreen]

Originally Posted by LooksLikeCRicci

I always assumed that the decal was a removable one and if the vehicle was not destroyed shortly after Angela was kidnapped, it was removed, repainted, and sold.

That's a good possibility. The fish decal was a bit unusual, but banged up trucks in small town Missouri certainly aren't. Having a couple of old junkers rusting on a backyard or in a shed isn't either.

Someone on a topix thread about Angela's disappearance mentioned that a local man with a truck similar to the description was checked out by police. Another person (post #11) claims that they sent in a tip about a local individual to UM. I don't believe Rob was involved, other witnesses saw the truck and the man, but it's understandable that the statements of the boyfriend of a missing pregnant woman would be looked into. Both McDuff and Larry Hall committed similar crimes, but I think that it's more likely that someone who was from the area, who knew the roads, was involved. I'd like to know if the area where Angela was last seen was the local teen hangout spot, and if Angela had previously been seen there (supposedly Angela's family didn't have a landline phone).

[Bob Stack is a legen]

Is the angela Hammond segment on any of the DVDs or did they show it. During thee farina episodes.

[DALLASTEXAN!!]

Originally Posted by Bob Stack is a legen

Is the angela Hammond segment on any of the DVDs or did they show it. During thee farina episodes.

No it's not and Tjey showed it with fArina

[Victoria81]

I am still on page 21. I'll never read all 66. I think Rob is innocent. I think the fish mural could be anything. A business decal or not even a fish. Although fish ones were popular in the south. I looked up her town and it said population 4, 4500...Unless it is the wrong one. I come from 750 and I can go sit and have my gas pumped and not know the person next to me (for those who say you know everyone) you can't know everyone. Not the ones deep down the gravel roads in the woods who hardly ever come out. They have like 56 homes in the deep woods by my home town. ONLY REASON I know this is when my grandpa ran for a local political position. He would go door to door and these people, not all, but most were registered to vote. The dude could have lived nearby. Also, he could have a bodyshop or removed the decal himself. I just think Rob is innocent. I have no proof, but the ones who say "you know everyone in a small town" You know the gas station owner, you know Ma's Grocer owner and your neighbor...not everyone! Know how you drive and you see the long and winding gravel road with no trepassing and chains....yeah.

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by WishfulDreamer

Given McDuff's penchant for abducting women who happened to be alone, I really have to wonder if it could have been him. He chose very secluded hiding spots when burying his victims and fessed up before execution to several locations, including the body of Colleen Reed. Honestly, I can't even watch that segment anymore after learning what he and his accomplice did to her. It makes me sick to my stomach to think about. I couldn't stop thinking about it for over a week after watching the American Justice segment.

McDuff, besides being a horrible person and killer, was also an arrogant arsehole. Watch interviews with him and he will deny his guilt and try to be like an innocent, falsely accused man. He does lay on the schmooze well enough that any not acquainted to the cases he's connected to may well believe him. This is why I think there are likely many more victims that we don't know about. He wasn't officially pointed out as a possible suspect, so he never said. He fought never to confess or reveal. If Angela or any others killed by him are out there undiscovered, we'll likely never know.

I certainly find him a more likely suspect than Rob.

There are definitely a lot of factors that could point toward McDuff. The fact that she was a female and alone fits McDuff's MO. Also the fact that she was taken from a public place and thrown inside his vehicle. Most likely she was sexually assaulted, another McDuff factor. Finally, her body has never been recovered. They only found some of McDuff's other victims remains when he took the authorities to them.

You're right that McDuff always proclaimed innocence. However, at the end he did lead them to bodies of victims that they knew they could attribute to him. Seeing the way McDuff reacted to other things during the course of his arrest, prosecution and imprisonment, there's no way he was going to confess to a murder (Angela Hammond) that they couldn't tie him to.

[TheCars1986]

I'm sure this has been asked before, but did McDuff look anything like the man that Angela described to Rob?

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I'm sure this has been asked before, but did McDuff look anything like the man that Angela described to Rob?

I can't remember what the description was. It's been so long since I've seen this episode. I'm sure the McDuff angle was at least explored tepidly by local law enforcement. At least, I hope it was. The similarities are uncanny.

[dynoguy88]

Originally Posted by Hambone2421

I can't remember what the description was. It's been so long since I've seen this episode. I'm sure the McDuff angle was at least explored tepidly by local law enforcement. At least, I hope it was. The similarities are uncanny.

Angela's description over the phone was that he was kind of dirty looking, with a mustache, beard, glasses and he was dressed in overalls.

[BlueGalexy]

It's been a long time since I've seen this segment, but I seem to remember that according to UM, Rob heard the assailant speak into the phone during the abduction. I thought it was reported that Hammond's abductor made a comment to Rob along the lines of, “I didn't need to use the phone anyway." I wonder if LE was able to collect any physical evidence of value from either of the payphones that the assailant handled. Or would the fact that it was collected from a public phone make this type of evidence meaningless?

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by BlueGalexy

It's been a long time since I've seen this segment, but I seem to remember that according to UM, Rob heard the assailant speak into the phone during the abduction. I thought it was reported that Hammond's abductor made a comment to Rob along the lines of, “I didn't need to use the phone anyway." I wonder if LE was able to collect any physical evidence of value from either of the payphones that the assailant handled. Or would the fact that it was collected from a public phone make this type of evidence meaningless?

Well, the abductor did say that, but it was directed at Angela, not at Rob. As to your question of if law enforcement could get anything from the phone as far as DNA or fingerprints, I doubt it. They were public phones and it would be hard to determine whose were the abductors and whose were just people using the phone.

[soilentgreen]

Originally Posted by BlueGalexy

I wonder if LE was able to collect any physical evidence of value from either of the payphones that the assailant handled.

Apparently some type of physical evidence was recovered (there is a KMBC segment on her case on the forbidden site) but as far as I know it's never been stated what kind of evidence it is, or where it is from. Her brother Loren made mention of it somewhere back on this thread.

[Hambone2421]

Originally Posted by soilentgreen

Apparently some type of physical evidence was recovered (there is a KMBC segment on her case on the forbidden site) but as far as I know it's never been stated what kind of evidence it is, or where it is from. Her brother Loren made mention of it somewhere back on this thread.

If that's the case then you almost have to assume McDuff was ruled out as his DNA is in the system and this evidence would have been run through it and triggered on him if it was a match.

[soilentgreen]

Originally Posted by Hambone2421

If that's the case then you almost have to assume McDuff was ruled out as his DNA is in the system and this evidence would have been run through it and triggered on him if it was a match.

I think that investigators back in 2009 were hoping to obtain a DNA profile from the reprocessed evidence, but I'm not certain if they were able to obtain DNA. If they did, likely they would be attempting to exclude Rush and Chaney (the men who killed Trudy Darby) as well.

[Hambone2421]

I am wondering if the cases profiled during this segment were ever solved? The segment mentioned a few cases that happened in the surrounding cities in Missouri that authorities believed could possibly be related to Angela Hammonds abduction. Does anyone remember these women's name or if their cases were solved?