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I have been reading cases on here for years, just never got around to making an account until now. This case really stuck out in my mind when I saw it on UM. I've read all 63 pages of this thread over the past two days. It was quite a task. Anyway, I hope a new lead comes up soon. The more time that goes by, the less likely it is that it will be solved.
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I doubt they will let him out. A lot of these people come up for parole hearing because that is the law. It's like the law reviewing the case. But they do not let them out that I know of. John Lennon's murdered comes up for parole too from time to time and they never let him out. One of the things his family and friends does is write up letters saying they still feel his a danger to them and others. You might can have letters submitted from you and others who are afraid and express how you all feel in your letters. Submitting those would help. If you have a lawyer talk to him or her about it also. |
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Any chance the fish mural was temporary?
Maybe it was used specifically to block the window so people couldn't easily see in through it. Since this was planned, it could have been used for the purpose of abducting a woman and lessening the chances of what was happening inside the truck being seen by witnesses. (I'm thinking of the Lisa Ziegert segment where the camera angle is the witness's viewpoint and it shows her fighting in the back of vehicle with a big window.) Then the decal could be thrown away soon afterwards, also changing the look of the suspect vehicle. Back then, were those window decals like cling film type stuff that come off easily or were they more like bumper stickers, glued on, and a pain to remove? |
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I always figured the fish decal was something that could have easily been peeled off.
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Are you sure? I thought Rob acknowledged the baby was his and he and Angela were engaged. |
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I went to the Charley Project page hoping to get more info on the question I posted above. There's nothing about that, but I noticed this and thought it was weird.
Charley Project says that Angela described the man driving the truck as a "filthy, bearded man" and witnesses who saw the man in the truck around the time Angela went missing said that he was wearing "eyeglasses" and had "a beard and a mustache". It then directs us to the composite sketch included at the bottom of the page. What the heck? It's a sketch of a long haired guy with no glasses, no beard, and no mustache. ![]() http://www.charleyproject.org/cases/...nd_angela.html |
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I'm trying to find details and am going back through the thread. On page six, someone posted two newspaper articles from The Kansas City Star. The articles were printed in the paper at the time Angela went missing. In one of those articles, it says her ex boyfriend, Bill, and Rob were both polygraphed and interviewed.
Angela went missing April 4, 1991. She had broken up with the other boyfriend in 1990. She was 4 months pregnant at the time she went missing. For the baby to have been the ex boyfriend's (also assuming they were no longer sleeping together after the breakup sometime in 1990) she would have gotten pregnant sometime around early December 1990 and broken up with the boyfriend while less than four weeks pregnant, also some time in December, for the time frame of "baby was the ex boyfriend's" and "they broke up last year" to work. BTW, back then 3-4 weeks was about the earliest a woman could determine pregnancy with a home pregnancy test. Here are the articles: The Kansas City Star April 7, 1991 Clinton woman is kidnapped Boyfriend hears her screams.Link to other abductions suspected. Author: JOE LAMBE; Staff Writer Edition: METROPOLITAN Section: NATIONAL/WORLD Page: A1 Before she disappeared late Thursday, Angela M. Hammond got off work and called her boyfriend from a pay telephone in an empty supermarket parking lot in Clinton, Mo. As she spoke, the 20-year-old woman noticed an old green pickup circling the lot. Suspicious, she described the truck over the phone. The truck stopped, and she told her boyfriend of the man who got out - a white man with glasses, a mustache and a beard. Then she screamed, said her boyfriend, Rob Shafer of Clinton. The phone went dead. Shafer, 18, said in an interview Saturday that after Hammond screamed he jumped into his car and raced to the Food Barn parking lot, about 11 p.m. Thursday. He passed what he thought was a yellow truck. Then he heard Hammond scream again. "When she screamed at me out the window," he said, "I put it in reverse and started chasing him. " Shafer chased the truck about a mile, he said, racing south on Clinton's 2nd Street, then turning west on Culvert Drive. But his car's transmission failed, Shafer said, and the pickup - maybe a 1969 or 1970 Ford - sped away. The truck may have had a decal of a water scene on the back window. Hammond has not been seen since. Police found her car in the parking lot that night, said Clinton Detective Damon Parsons. The FBI and Henry County Sheriff also are investigating. Authorities believe Hammond's abduction could be related to kidnappings in January and February of women in Camden County, Mo., and Nevada, Mo. One of the women, Trudy Darby, 42, was abducted in January from a convenience store near Macks Creek in Camden County, where she worked as a clerk. Shortly before she disappeared, about 10 p.m. Jan. 19, she called her son from work telling him about a suspicious man outside the store. When her son arrived five minutes later, he found only his mother's purse and an empty cash drawer, police said. Authorities found Darby's nude body two days later in the Little Niangua River. She had been shot twice in the head with a shotgun. The other woman, also a convenience store clerk, disappeared Feb. 27, right after closing up for the night about 10 p.m. Police said the woman, Cheryl Ann Kenney, 30, has never been found. Her car was discovered the next morning outside the Nevada convenience store. Hammond worked tallying evening accounts at a Clinton bank. Max Geiman, special agent for the FBI in Kansas City, said there was no solid evidence linking the three abductions, but police were examining possible connections. "This is extremely suspicous," he said. Police searched the area by air Saturday but found nothing, Parsons said. Angela's parents, Kathy and Chris Hammond of Olathe, said Saturday that all they can do now is wait and worry. Kathy Hammond has been passing out her stepdaughter's picture to newspapers and television stations, hoping for a breakthrough. ****************************************************** The Kansas City Star April 11, 1991 FBI questions teens about missing woman Lie-detector tests are given to her fiance and former boyfriend. Author: LANE BEAUCHAMP; Springfield Correspondent Edition: MID-AMERICA Section: MID-AMERICA Page: C1 The fiance and a former boyfriend of a missing Clinton, Mo., woman were given lie-detector tests Wednesday, but investigators refused to comment on the results. The two teen-agers said they were questioned about whether they were involved in the disappearance of 20-year-old Angela M. Hammond, who apparently was abducted a week ago from a Clinton supermarket parking lot. "I guess they were just trying to clear us as suspects," said Bill Barker, the 17-year-old former boyfriend of Hammond, in a telephone interview. "They were asking why we would do something like this to her." Hammond's fiance, Rob Shafer, said FBI agents administering the tests implied that he and Barker might have been involved. "They don't think my story's very good," Shafer, 18, said by phone. "I told them everything I know." Clinton police Detective Damon Parsons, who is heading the investigation, and FBI spokesman Max Geiman declined to discuss the polygraph tests. Both men said investigators continued to follow up on leads but had not made any substantial progress Wednesday. Parsons said that while "everyone is a suspect," Shafer and Barker were questioned as "primary witnesses." Barker said he was questioned for about three hours Wednesday afternoon; Shafer said he spent about five hours with FBI agents. "I think they're barking up the wrong tree here," Shafer said. "They need to focus on who really did this and not on people who didn't." Hammond, who is four months pregnant, disappeared last Thursday from a parking lot telephone booth at a Clinton supermarket. Shafer has said he and Hammond were talking about a suspicious man nearby when he heard her scream and the phone line went dead. Shafer said he jumped in his truck and was rushing toward the parking lot, a few blocks from his home, when he heard Hammond yell his name from a passing pickup. Shafer said he tried to follow the truck but could not catch it before his truck's transmission gave out. Parsons said Shafer was given a ride to the police station and arrived about midnight. Hammond was last seen by friends about 11:15 p.m. Thursday. She apparently stopped at the phone booth because she did not have a telephone. Shafer and Barker said they have been out looking for Hammond every day since she disappeared. "We haven't found anything yet," said Barker, who has continued his friendship with Hammond since they stopped dating late last year. "In a way that could be good. We just don't know." Hammond was described as 5 feet tall, 140 pounds, with light brown hair and brown eyes. She was last seen wearing a white shirt with black spots, black slacks and tennis shoes. The truck was described as a green, late 1960s model Ford with a water or fish scene in the back window. |
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Sorry for hogging the thread.....
I'm going through all the articles back on page 6 here. They span about a year. I noticed that the article written on April 7th 1991 and the one written on April 13, 1991 (both in the same newspaper but by different authors) screwed up on at least one fact in Trudy Darby's case. Officials are trying to connect Trudy Darby, Cheryl Kenney, and Angela Hammond, but they need similarities in the crimes to do so, such as the perp's MO. And fwiw the suspect in Trudy's case is described the same as the guy in Angela's case but the vehicles are different. Anyway, one article says Trudy Darby was shot twice in the head with a shotgun and the other article says it was an automatic pistol (and from what I understand, automatic guns are illegal, so did the author mean a semi automatic? or was the killer using a machine pistol, or what?). I know it doesn't mean a whole lot, since the result is still that the killer murdered her, but it does show how a pretty big fact can get screwed up in the press, then published as truth, and here we all are 20+ years later trying to use that flawed information to connect cases. Also, FWIW, the first article I copied above says that Angela (who worked in a bank) got off work and went to the pay phone to call Rob. Got off work at a small town bank at 11pm? And what about the UM scenario of them being at a barbecue together and her visiting with a friend before calling Rob and heading home? ETA: Still reading. An article dated April 9, 1991 says Angela usually worked nights at a bank, but didn't work that night. Here's the quote: Ms. Hammond usually worked nights at a Clinton bank but did not work the night she disappeared. Ms. Hammond's best friend, Kyla Engeman, said she and Ms. Hammond had been cruising the town square when they split up about 11:15 p.m. Ms. Hammond, who did not have a telephone, stopped by the parking lot booth to call Shafer. Shafer said they talked for about 30 minutes. |
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It's been 23 years now since Angela was kidnapped and probably murdered.
Let's hope this case gets solved someday...
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Back on page 14, a one time poster asked if Tommy Lynn Sells could be responsible for Angela's abduction and maybe some of the other cases in MO. It was discussed that he probably was not involved due to the fact that he preferred to enter homes, either as an acquaintance or a burglar, but there's at least one case where he abducted a person from a public place, nine year old Mary Bea Perez, who was at a carnival with her grandmother.
Some of his crimes: http://serialkillers.briancombs.net/...my-lynn-sells/ Here's the same info I posted in anther thread regarding this case: Was he ever considered in Angela Hammond's disappearance? He committed crimes in Missouri in 1983, 1985, 1997, and 1998 in St. Louis, Forsyth, Springfield, and Portageville. He lived in St. Louis MO, Frisbee MO, and Holcomb MO. He traveled with carnivals, rode trains, stole cars, and hitch hiked around the country. He was released from a Wyoming prison in January 1991. From there, he went to Colorado, Florida, South Carolina, and ended up in West Virginia in April 1992. Angela Hammond was abducted in Clinton, MO on April 4, 1991. Traveling from Colorado to Florida could have easily taken him through that part of Missouri. Sells would have been 27 years old at the time. His preferred victims were girls and petite women. At one point he owned a pick up truck which friends bought from him sometime in the late 90s because they felt sorry for him. At another time prior to that, he stole a truck to sell its tires to friends who needed truck tires. So he can be connected to pick up trucks, I just don't know what kind. He also worked at a used car lot, IIRC. He has some things in common with Angela's case. She described a filthy bearded man, she and Rob described a pick up truck, the crime happened in MO, and Angela was a very petite young woman. Not sure what date this mug shot was taken: ![]() This is what he looked like in 1999:
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I think it is a very strong possibility that this is Angela Hammond's Killer. He most likely killed her that very night. The body is buried somewhere, since it is a rural town in MO Angie could have been buried anywhere. The pick-up must have had tools (most disturbing of all) he could have dismembered her body and put it in trash bags and buried deep. But it could be found one day, it just needs more people pushing to find her, Wendy Camp, her daughter and sister in-law bodies was found last year, so it isn't unlikely that she is buried out there but they just haven't looked in the right spot yet, but one day she is gonna be found. Hopefully. |
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I live near Kansas City (tho from Boston) and went on a Missouri disappeared tour a couple of summers ago. Went to Clinton and Nevada (pronounced Ne-vay-da by the locals), MO where the lady disappeared from the convenience store and the house where the Springfield Three disappeared from. All three locations are on main streets or only a block away from one. At one time Kenneth MacDuff, a Texas serial killer executed in 1998. MacDuff was on death row for three murders when he was unbelievably paroled in 1989. Afterwards he killed at least 3 more times. Ithink the latter crimes were on UM and AMW, particularly someone he killed at a carwash. He was caught in KC in 1992 and supposedly said "there are a few bodies in the Mark Twain Forest [Missouri] that will never be found." While MacDuff mostly killed around Austin, he was known to have driven around aimlessly throughout the Midwest. Nothing I have read pins down his whereabouts during the MO disappearances.
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