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TheCars1986 · 04-06-2012, 02:16 PM

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

justins5256 · 04-06-2012, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

Ditto. I always wondered why UM drew such a seemingly strong connection between Gary Grant Jr's murder and the graffiti discovered years later. Based on what was shown, anybody could have written it really.

The only thing I can figure is either there was more to the messages than what was shown on TV and perhaps some of the undisclosed content made it apparent that the author was the killer or had intimate knowledge of the crime.

Or, UM played it up to make the story more "scary" or "intriguing" or whatever.

Not to be profane but I always thought the photos of the messages shown during the segment, specifically the one that read "Payback is a M.F." were strange. I mean, assuming those were photos of the actual messages, why not write out the whole word?

Zlatko · 04-06-2012, 05:38 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

The amount of suspects could be very extensive. Someone easily could have gone under the radar.

The killer may have targeted Gary Grant Jr as a sadistic way to get back at Gary Grant Sr. For many people, the worst way to hurt them is to target their loved ones. In order to get back at Gary Grant Sr, the killer would get back at him by killing his son.

TheCars1986 · 04-10-2012, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Zlatko

The amount of suspects could be very extensive. Someone easily could have gone under the radar.

The killer may have targeted Gary Grant Jr as a sadistic way to get back at Gary Grant Sr. For many people, the worst way to hurt them is to target their loved ones. In order to get back at Gary Grant Sr, the killer would get back at him by killing his son.

I'm sure that Gary Sr.'s arrest record was very lengthy, but it still should have been fairly easy to pinpoint a prior arrest that would have stuck out. I.E. did he ever arrest someone from organized crime, partake in a big drug bust, break up a gang, arrest a sex offender, etc.? Something should have stood out had there indeed been an arrest that would have warranted a retaliation.

Zlatko · 04-10-2012, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I'm sure that Gary Sr.'s arrest record was very lengthy, but it still should have been fairly easy to pinpoint a prior arrest that would have stuck out. I.E. did he ever arrest someone from organized crime, partake in a big drug bust, break up a gang, arrest a sex offender, etc.? Something should have stood out had there indeed been an arrest that would have warranted a retaliation.

It's worth considering that the killer may not have been someone Gary Grant Sr arrested. Instead, the killer may have been a criminal's loved one, close friend, etc. Some people are often hell bent on getting back at people.

All I'll say is this, Gary Grant Sr probably made a lot of enemies as a police officer. Be it directly or indirectly.

mwcarolina · 04-14-2012, 11:33 PM

first let me say, if the killer was someone who wanted to kill to get to Gary Grant Sr. and they were someone that he arrested it actually could be difficult, especially if that said person didnt say anything about the arrest and just held it in him and then struck.

now i personally dont know if it was someone out to get Gary Sr. i think Gary Jr. saw something he shouldnt have seen and then was killed for that.

baloony · 05-16-2012, 08:22 AM

The police bungled this case big time.

JenniferS. · 06-08-2013, 07:16 PM

I always figure some older neighbor hood kid killed him because he saw something they did and thought he would tell.

Steve W. · 06-09-2013, 09:23 AM

I think it's plausible that Boo's older brother killed Gary and that he was the one who arranged to have Gary meet him for the "appointment". I think Gary was murdered during his "appointment". Boo's older brother or some other preteen-to-teenager at that time I think is the culprit. I don't think a young or older adult (at that time) killed him.

JenniferS. · 06-09-2013, 11:25 PM

Boo could have been threatened not to say anything? Though he says he was not with Gary that day.

Steve W. · 06-10-2013, 12:03 AM

If the murder weapon is still in police custody after all these years and has been left somewhere secure, DNA testing could be done on it to try and find a match.

JenniferS. · 06-10-2013, 12:50 AM

I think it was a pipe?

TheCars1986 · 06-10-2013, 01:35 PM

I haven't seen the segment in a long time, but was there any evidence that Boo was not involved? IIRC, wasn't he allegedly somewhere else at the time of Gary's murder?

JenniferS. · 06-10-2013, 04:20 PM

He said he was not there. And the cops interigated him and made him sign a confession to the opossite. Telling him if he did sign they would let him go home. Thats what BOO said.

TheCars1986 · 07-13-2015, 11:25 AM

This case is very confusing to me. IMO, there are two ways to look at it:

-If the graffiti found on the police car and the message scrawled on the sidewalk were written by the killer, I would tend to think Boo was innocent.
-If the graffiti was some sort of sick joke, the focus should be shifted back to Boo.

There were a total of two messages found with mentions of Gary's murder. Both were 2 years after his murder, and were found within weeks of each other. Both messages seemed to indicate someone who had a prior beef with Gary Sr., and killed his son in some sort of revenge type killing. But the messages (if they were shown in their entirety) didn't reveal any information outside of the date of Gary's murder. Nothing overly incriminating. And I tend to think that had this been a guy who felt wronged by Gary Sr., he'd want to keep making it known that he was still out there, and that Gary Jr. was still dead. He'd want to keep up this little game of "I did it, got away with it, and there's nothing you can do about it" going as long as possible. So to me, IMO, since the graffiti messages stopped after 2 times (and only happened twice 2 years after Gary's murder) makes me think that the messages are a red herring, and probably the result of some sick hoax. For all we know, someone Gary Sr. arrested after the murder wrote them as a way to get back at Gary Sr.

Which brings the case back to Boo. Even the UM segment seeps to imply some hesitation on the police suspecting Boo as a viable suspect. He was thought of as a "scaredy cat" in the neighborhood. But the police kept coming across information that Boo was seen in the company of Gary on the day he was murdered. So that was an outright lie by Boo, since he claimed to have never been with him or seen him that day. Plus the segment mentions other inconsistencies in his story, and things that he told police were things that only the killer (or someone who actually witnessed the murder) would know. It seems like once Boo's confession was thrown out and the charges were dropped, there was no interest moving forward. Plus, there were no other obvious suspects over the years. It seems like the police had either the right suspect at the time, or their most important witness. Because I believe one of two things: Boo killed Gary, or he saw the whole thing.

The only other possible suspects (and this is coming from internet theories, not evidence) are Boo's older brother and the man who found Gary's body. Boo's older brother was allegedly arrested for robbery days before Gary's murder, and that he was trying to recruit kids from the neighborhood to break into homes for him. It has been posited that this is the "appointment" that Gary referred to earlier in the day. When Gary refused, the older brother killed him to silence him. And presumably, Boo would have been there to witness this as well. But there are two problems with this theory. First, knowing that Gary's dad was a police officer, why even ask him to help rob houses, knowing full well that there was a high probability that he would tell his dad? And second, why ask a 7 year old to help you burglarize homes and then kill him when he says no? And if Boo witnessed the murder, why not come forward and say his brother did it?

The man who discovered the body was thought to be suspicious to some, because he owned a warehouse that was right next to the lot where Gary's body was found, and the fact that he was the one who discovered Gary's body. He told the authorities that he read about Gary's disappearance in the paper and drove to his warehouse to check and see if he was there. Now that does seem like an odd thing to say/do, but there was no evidence presented that the man had any reason to kill Gary nor any evidence that he did. Seems odd that an adult would kill a child in broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon as well. Which again, brings this case right back to Boo Mason. He either knows who did it, or murdered Gary himself. IIRC, either on UM or one of the articles about the case, had said that Gary could have been killed by a child. Which is pretty telling. I've always thought it was interesting that once the charges were dropped against Boo, the case seemed to hit a brick wall. Seems like he was the key to solving the case, IMO.

04-06-2012, 02:16 PM	#76
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,594	Anyone else think there's a decent chance that the grafitti was just some sick joke by some punk that had a personal vendetta against Gary Sr.? The reason I ask this is because if it were indeed someone Gary Sr. arrested before, wouldn't it be fairly easy to pinpoint certain suspects? Anyone with a violent past, arrested for violent crimes, etc. could have be interviewed and eliminated or investigated further. The fact that they were never able to come up with a viable suspect seems like there wasn't anyone (from a previous arrest) that had any real beef with Gary Sr. And why go after his child, rather than Gary Sr. himself?

04-14-2012, 11:33 PM	#81
mwcarolina Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Feb 01, 2010 Location: nc Posts: 438	first let me say, if the killer was someone who wanted to kill to get to Gary Grant Sr. and they were someone that he arrested it actually could be difficult, especially if that said person didnt say anything about the arrest and just held it in him and then struck. now i personally dont know if it was someone out to get Gary Sr. i think Gary Jr. saw something he shouldnt have seen and then was killed for that.

05-16-2012, 08:22 AM	#82
baloony Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Dec 13, 2007 Posts: 375	The police bungled this case big time.

06-08-2013, 07:16 PM	#83
JenniferS. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 513	I always figure some older neighbor hood kid killed him because he saw something they did and thought he would tell.

06-09-2013, 09:23 AM	#84
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	I think it's plausible that Boo's older brother killed Gary and that he was the one who arranged to have Gary meet him for the "appointment". I think Gary was murdered during his "appointment". Boo's older brother or some other preteen-to-teenager at that time I think is the culprit. I don't think a young or older adult (at that time) killed him.

06-09-2013, 11:25 PM	#85
JenniferS. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 513	Boo could have been threatened not to say anything? Though he says he was not with Gary that day.

06-10-2013, 12:03 AM	#86
Steve W. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Mar 03, 2010 Posts: 870	If the murder weapon is still in police custody after all these years and has been left somewhere secure, DNA testing could be done on it to try and find a match.

06-10-2013, 12:50 AM	#87
JenniferS. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 513	I think it was a pipe?

06-10-2013, 01:35 PM	#88
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,594	I haven't seen the segment in a long time, but was there any evidence that Boo was not involved? IIRC, wasn't he allegedly somewhere else at the time of Gary's murder?

06-10-2013, 04:20 PM	#89
JenniferS. Member Forum Regular Join Date: Dec 06, 2003 Posts: 513	He said he was not there. And the cops interigated him and made him sign a confession to the opossite. Telling him if he did sign they would let him go home. Thats what BOO said.

07-13-2015, 11:25 AM	#90
TheCars1986 #VLSKMS Forum Fanatic Join Date: Nov 22, 2008 Location: Maryland Posts: 8,594	This case is very confusing to me. IMO, there are two ways to look at it: -If the graffiti found on the police car and the message scrawled on the sidewalk were written by the killer, I would tend to think Boo was innocent. -If the graffiti was some sort of sick joke, the focus should be shifted back to Boo. There were a total of two messages found with mentions of Gary's murder. Both were 2 years after his murder, and were found within weeks of each other. Both messages seemed to indicate someone who had a prior beef with Gary Sr., and killed his son in some sort of revenge type killing. But the messages (if they were shown in their entirety) didn't reveal any information outside of the date of Gary's murder. Nothing overly incriminating. And I tend to think that had this been a guy who felt wronged by Gary Sr., he'd want to keep making it known that he was still out there, and that Gary Jr. was still dead. He'd want to keep up this little game of "I did it, got away with it, and there's nothing you can do about it" going as long as possible. So to me, IMO, since the graffiti messages stopped after 2 times (and only happened twice 2 years after Gary's murder) makes me think that the messages are a red herring, and probably the result of some sick hoax. For all we know, someone Gary Sr. arrested after the murder wrote them as a way to get back at Gary Sr. Which brings the case back to Boo. Even the UM segment seeps to imply some hesitation on the police suspecting Boo as a viable suspect. He was thought of as a "scaredy cat" in the neighborhood. But the police kept coming across information that Boo was seen in the company of Gary on the day he was murdered. So that was an outright lie by Boo, since he claimed to have never been with him or seen him that day. Plus the segment mentions other inconsistencies in his story, and things that he told police were things that only the killer (or someone who actually witnessed the murder) would know. It seems like once Boo's confession was thrown out and the charges were dropped, there was no interest moving forward. Plus, there were no other obvious suspects over the years. It seems like the police had either the right suspect at the time, or their most important witness. Because I believe one of two things: Boo killed Gary, or he saw the whole thing. The only other possible suspects (and this is coming from internet theories, not evidence) are Boo's older brother and the man who found Gary's body. Boo's older brother was allegedly arrested for robbery days before Gary's murder, and that he was trying to recruit kids from the neighborhood to break into homes for him. It has been posited that this is the "appointment" that Gary referred to earlier in the day. When Gary refused, the older brother killed him to silence him. And presumably, Boo would have been there to witness this as well. But there are two problems with this theory. First, knowing that Gary's dad was a police officer, why even ask him to help rob houses, knowing full well that there was a high probability that he would tell his dad? And second, why ask a 7 year old to help you burglarize homes and then kill him when he says no? And if Boo witnessed the murder, why not come forward and say his brother did it? The man who discovered the body was thought to be suspicious to some, because he owned a warehouse that was right next to the lot where Gary's body was found, and the fact that he was the one who discovered Gary's body. He told the authorities that he read about Gary's disappearance in the paper and drove to his warehouse to check and see if he was there. Now that does seem like an odd thing to say/do, but there was no evidence presented that the man had any reason to kill Gary nor any evidence that he did. Seems odd that an adult would kill a child in broad daylight in the middle of the afternoon as well. Which again, brings this case right back to Boo Mason. He either knows who did it, or murdered Gary himself. IIRC, either on UM or one of the articles about the case, had said that Gary could have been killed by a child. Which is pretty telling. I've always thought it was interesting that once the charges were dropped against Boo, the case seemed to hit a brick wall. Seems like he was the key to solving the case, IMO.