TV Network for Gays, Lesbians to Debut

[Dean Winchester]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

If you are a christian that doesn't accept the lifestyle, you are.

maybe gays are sick and tired of brimstone Christians (there's a difference) telling gays on and on that we deserve to get AIDS and that we're going to hell. Those people have merited getting bashed back after everything they have done to us.

Anyways, why is it that Christian women can be more accepting that gays are people too? Men seem to have this "gay is sick because it's emasculating" deal while a lot of women can accept Christ and accept gays and lesbians. I notice it a lot on here, I see many women who are "I worship Christ and I am all for gay rights" while the majority of Christian males are "you ***s are all sick perverted AIDS ridden homos who are going to hell". Why is it that women have the tendency to be more openminded to things that they aren't?

[Munsters#1]

Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

maybe gays are sick and tired of brimstone Christians (there's a difference) telling gays on and on that we deserve to get AIDS and that we're going to hell. Those people have merited getting bashed back after everything they have done to us.

Anyways, why is it that Christian women can be more accepting that gays are people too? Men seem to have this "gay is sick because it's emasculating" deal while a lot of women can accept Christ and accept gays and lesbians. I notice it a lot on here, I see many women who are "I worship Christ and I am all for gay rights" while the majority of Christian males are "you ***s are all sick perverted AIDS ridden homos who are going to hell". Why is it that women have the tendency to be more openminded to things that they aren't?

I am Christian (with little to no more remaining faith), and I am male, and I accept gays and lesbians as just other people. If you are gay or lesbian, that's great! I'm not one to hold people back.

[Dean Winchester]

I don't accept this whole religion vs. homosexuality "war".

So-called Christians who don't know the first thing about God have made sure to let gays and lesbians know we're not welcome. These people think every gay and lesbian went to an initiation ceremony and went "yes, I am going to subscribe to the homosexual lifestyle and I hereby renounce God and all things pure". WHAT BULL!!! Most gays and lesbians can tell you they had the feelings since they were in grade school. People have twisted and mended The Bible to their own train of thought. Did you know that Jewish people find eating pork more offensive than sleeping with the same sex? Yet, I'd say more people have eaten something from a pig than are gay. Did you know THE SAME BIBLE forbids football, yet the "Christians" who will picket anything gay-related and wants us all to die from AIDS and go to hell most likely are watching the Super Bowl.

I think people twist religion around as their excuse to defend being intolerant and non-understanding of gays and lesbians. They don't understand why one would have desires for the same sex, because they have a one-track mind that because being attracted to the same sex is "normal" for them, they assume that it's that way for EVERYBODY, so it's easier to write us off as evil sinning heathens instead of studying up about the human mind. Remember, it wasn't even forty years ago when "mixing of races is against God's plan, the world's going to go straight to hell if we accept seeing whites and blacks together in a relationship" was spewing from the exact same mouths who are picketing funerals of dead gay people telling their mothers "your son is with Satan now". **** THOSE PEOPLE!!! I don't think what they're doing is exactly "in God's plan" either.

Anyways, I know plenty of people who are both gay and accept Christ, it is NOT an oxymoron. Why can't someone follow Jesus just because he or she just happens to be drawn to the same sex? Should every gay man and lesbian became an Athiest or join something like Wicca? Anyways, I don't think the "Christians" who do nothing but spew how we all deserve AIDS don't realize they are actually alienating people from the church. I even know STRAIGHT people who have turned their backs on organized religion thanks to "good men" like Falwell, Robertson and Phelps, and will refuse to have their kids become Christians... because they've seen the narrowmindedness. Hell, I have a gay friend who is all "I'm so sorry for you" just because I still go to church, because the "***s go to hell and die of AIDS" types have completely destroyed any desire he had to belong to an organized religion.

[Munsters#1]

As a whole, the human race is really pretty stupid. We put too much time, effort, and money, into religions that do nothing but push us around and tell us what to do and what not to do. We spend too much time believing in something that just plain and simple is not there. If God was a truly loving God, he or she would accept people of all walks of life, and not condemn them just because they don't happen to be straight.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally Posted by Munsters#1

As a whole, the human race is really pretty stupid. We put too much time, effort, and money, into religions that do nothing but push us around and tell us what to do and what not to do. We spend too much time believing in something that's just plain and simple not there. If God was a truly loving God, he or she would accept people of all walks of life, and not condemn them just because they don't happen to be straight.

exactly, I think a lot more goes into a person as opposed to "is he gay or straight?". I think sexuality is too defining, because being gay or straight doesn't automatically mean you're either a good person or a bad person. You can be a homosexual and almost be saint-like and you can be a heterosexual and be the most disgusting despicable specimen to walk the face of the earth. I don't necessarily think at the pearly gates, "are you a heterosexual?", "yes" = entrance to heaven, "are you a homosexual?", "yes" = button pushed and fall into the pits of hell. It's not so black and white

[Christopher]

Originally Posted by JT

God'll decide what to do with me when I die, I suppose, and if I burn in hell, I don't care. I'd rather burn with my freedom than live with outrageous restraints.

If you burn in hell for loving someone, then God is ****ed up. Isn't that what God wants anyways? Wants his children to love than hate and not to judge people for who they are?

I went to the Logo Network website, and my cable company isn't adding the channel yet. But I looked at some of the shows they are going to air and they don't look like they are worth watching.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally Posted by Christopher

If you burn in hell for loving someone, then God is ****ed up. Isn't that what God wants anyways? Wants his children to love than hate and not to judge people for who they are?

I went to the Logo Network website, and my cable company isn't adding the channel yet. But I looked at some of the shows they are going to air and they don't look like they are worth watching.

I agree with both. LOVE when it's between two CONSENTING ADULTS is a bad thing?

[Kristina]

Originally Posted by Bobby F.

Why is it that there has to be an all gay and lesbian channel? Why does there have to be an all black channel,all mexican channel, all martian channel? I understand having channels that reach to s certain interest like sports, action, love stories. But why does it have to be broken down into race and lifestyles? There is enough stress when it comes to these subjects as it is. As much talk as there is about trying to bring people together it always seems like it being split more apart.

Um..... There are channels for hispanics because of the Spanish language. Not all understand English that live in America, personally I think you should be fluent in a countries main language before you actually move there. But whatever. It's for the language, not for the race.

Though I do not see a point in a channel for gays, what will the channel have? Aren't there only a couple shows that have to do with gay people? And they are on other networks. Like how Lifetime has to do with stuff towards women, I can see interest in that kind of thing... but a channel for a sexuality? Lammmmee.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally Posted by Kristina

Um..... There are channels for hispanics because of the Spanish language. Not all understand English that live in America, personally I think you should be fluent in a countries main language before you actually move there. But whatever. It's for the language, not for the race.

Though I do not see a point in a channel for gays, what will the channel have? Aren't there only a couple shows that have to do with gay people? And they are on other networks. Like how Lifetime has to do with stuff towards women, I can see interest in that kind of thing... but a channel for a sexuality? Lammmmee.

why is it lame? Homophobes have made it perfectly obvious that they don't want gay visibility on their networks. Notice the people who complain about Queer As Folk and Queer Eye even tho they have other options to watch. So let gays have their own network. Straight people have proven time and time again that they aren't going to open their minds and appreciate diverse things because they don't understand that not guys are turned on by T&A, so let the gays have their network. Tho the same people who complain about those shows will complain that gays have their own network because gays are supposed to be miserable and not have anything to enjoy (I know homophobes who hate Desperate Housewives FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT GAY MEN ENJOY IT!!!).

[Kristina]

Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

why is it lame? Homophobes have made it perfectly obvious that they don't want gay visibility on their networks. Notice the people who complain about Queer As Folk and Queer Eye even tho they have other options to watch. So let gays have their own network. Straight people have proven time and time again that they aren't going to open their minds and appreciate diverse things because they don't understand that not guys are turned on by T&A, so let the gays have their network. Tho the same people who complain about those shows will complain that gays have their own network because gays are supposed to be miserable and not have anything to enjoy (I know homophobes who hate Desperate Housewives FOR THE SOLE REASON THAT GAY MEN ENJOY IT!!!).

Well, then they'll just have to deal with those shows on networks they like anyway. Why make it better for prejudice people?

[barwars]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Religion comes out in these topics because for a Christian, homosexuality is taught to us as being wrong.

Not all Christians. It may have been taught to you as being wrong, but not all Christians.

Always believing everything you're taught makes you learn nothing on your own; it's simply brainwash.

[Hollow]

Originally Posted by Munsters#1

As a whole, the human race is really pretty stupid.

i agree. people are my least favorite species. i hate them all equally.

[Brian Damage]

Originally Posted by barwars

Not all Christians. It may have been taught to you as being wrong, but not all Christians.

Always believing everything you're taught makes you learn nothing on your own; it's simply brainwash.

Read the bible and come to your own conclusions. I am not brainwashed, I have always felt homosexuality was wrong. As a "Christian" as you claim to be, do you attend church regularly? Do you read the bible? People will interpret the Bible however they feel is convienient for them. I worship God, not an imaginary friend. God is real. I do not hate gays nor do I feel threatened by them. God loves everyone. Whether you are gay, straight, Bi, whether you cheat on your wife, murder another, rape another. All of them. You just have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour. I cannot condemn anyone to hell because I am not God. Gays are allowed in church and should go to church. This isn't a gay thing, it's something everyone should do. Some gays on this board get furious when someone disagrees with their lifestyle. Please distinguish tolerance for bias. I am tolerant of gays, but I don't agree with their lifestyle.

[Dean Winchester]

Originally Posted by Brian Damage

Read the bible and come to your own conclusions. I am not brainwashed, I have always felt homosexuality was wrong. As a "Christian" as you claim to be, do you attend church regularly? Do you read the bible? People will interpret the Bible however they feel is convienient for them. I worship God, not an imaginary friend. God is real. I do not hate gays nor do I feel threatened by them. God loves everyone. Whether you are gay, straight, Bi, whether you cheat on your wife, murder another, rape another. All of them. You just have to accept Jesus Christ as your Lord and saviour. I cannot condemn anyone to hell because I am not God. Gays are allowed in church and should go to church. This isn't a gay thing, it's something everyone should do. Some gays on this board get furious when someone disagrees with their lifestyle. Please distinguish tolerance for bias. I am tolerant of gays, but I don't agree with their lifestyle.

well, reading your post, you aren't the type of Christian who should be offended by that. You don't agree with being gay, but yet you aren't throwing bricks or condemning that gays and lesbians should go to hell, nor are you going to funerals of gay men and picketing and yelling "your ****** son's in hell now!!!" to their mothers.

There are many, many, many Christians (althought they are maybe only 2% of the community, kinda like people like Michael Moore give Democrats a bad name and Rush Limbaugh to Republicans... even tho those types are only like 1-2% of the parties) who will use God's name as an excuse to say that all gays and lesbians are going to hell, that "God hates ***s" (there's even a so-called "Christian" website called this) and that "AIDS is God's punishment to homosexuals for their ways". Those are the type of people that are being attacked when people attack "Christians" who are gay-bashers.

It's the likes of Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps that people are pointing at when they talk about how ignorant and hatefilled Christians could be, and the sad thing is that that very small percentage of the Christian population has soured the entire concept to many people. It's sad really. I have a close friend who gives me hell for going to church, because "how can you be gay and go to church considering how they want you to burn in hell".

[Bobby F.]

Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

well, reading your post, you aren't the type of Christian who should be offended by that. You don't agree with being gay, but yet you aren't throwing bricks or condemning that gays and lesbians should go to hell, nor are you going to funerals of gay men and picketing and yelling "your ****** son's in hell now!!!" to their mothers.

There are many, many, many Christians (althought they are maybe only 2% of the community, kinda like people like Michael Moore give Democrats a bad name and Rush Limbaugh to Republicans... even tho those types are only like 1-2% of the parties) who will use God's name as an excuse to say that all gays and lesbians are going to hell, that "God hates ***s" (there's even a so-called "Christian" website called this) and that "AIDS is God's punishment to homosexuals for their ways". Those are the type of people that are being attacked when people attack "Christians" who are gay-bashers.

It's the likes of Pat Robertson and Fred Phelps that people are pointing at when they talk about how ignorant and hatefilled Christians could be, and the sad thing is that that very small percentage of the Christian population has soured the entire concept to many people. It's sad really. I have a close friend who gives me hell for going to church, because "how can you be gay and go to church considering how they want you to burn in hell".

Why do you even worry about how people think? You seem pretty secure in who you are. Go on about your business and let them deal with the situation. I, personaly, am against homosexuality. I think it's a sin and will be dealt with in the afterlife. That being said I hold no grudges towards gay people anymore than I would with anyone else. It all depends how people treat each other. I have known some really good gay people just like I have known some really good black, white, yellow, green....people. I don't try and push my lifestyle on anyone just like I would hope that no one will try to push theirs on me. As far as the TV shows, like I said earlier, it just stinks that everything has to be "a black channel, a gay channel, a spanish channel.." Once again WE have to break it down into race or lifestyle. So much for coming together.