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wiseguy182 · 05-07-2010, 04:47 AM

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Originally Posted by MissKitka731

Wiseguy, I take real offense to your inflammatory posts regarding Diane Strom. Ever stop to think that perhaps one day she could stumble across this board?

First of all, the statement, "I'm not sure what Jenny's doing could be classified as living" is a sad reflection on her brain damaged daughter's severely impacted quality of life. She was being honest. Secondly, if she were, as you claim, "completely ignorant" of her daughter's needs, she would not be attending to them on a daily basis. That is what her life has become. Jenny will never graduate college, never marry, never have children, never reach any of the adult milestones that any good parent would want for their child. Instead, she is forever trapped with a brain and a body that do not properly function. Diane is forever trapped in the role of caretaker. You should feel sympathy. I think you have a lot of nerve dismissing and insulting her.

Perhaps the most disgusting and downright idiotic part of your post is the "bad rap" statement regarding Curtis Croft. Made some mistakes? Is that what you call indirectly causing the violent and sudden ruin of a young girl's life? Because if you think he doesn't know exactly who was involved, even who MIGHT be involved, then you're insane. Was the immense guilt that one can only hope he lives with the catalyst for him working "real hard" to turn his life around? As for his statement of "I wish it was me"--big deal. Talk is cheap. Tell that to Diane Strom, the one who lives with the aftermath of poor Jenny's attack every day. Actions speak louder than words, and you should really choose yours more carefully.

1. Being that dozens upon dozens of people that have been profiled on UM and their family members, friends, etc have posted on here, yes I have considered the possibility of Diane Strom coming on here. Doesn't mean I'm going to change my posts. If I did that, we all may as well delete all of our posts because at any given point in time, anybody associated with any case may post. I'm not going to change my posts because someone may or may come on here and may or may not be offended by it.

2. Diane Strom's comments were completely inappropriate. They may be true, as you claim, but a person in Jenny's condition needs comfort and reassurance from their mother, not bitterness and coldness, which is what Diane delivered. Could you imagine if Jenny heard what her mother said? How that would make her feel?

3. I have alot of sympathy for Jennifer Pratt. I never said anything that would indicate otherwise. You're sadly mistaken there.

4. Curtis did not cause the attack on Jenny. He cannot be blamed for it. He was a victim himself. He was the main target of attack.

5. I don't know if guilt was what turned him around. But the important thing is that he did turn his life around. How many people with shady pasts continue to committ nefarious acts? Lots. Most in fact.

6. The vast majority of this forum is in agreement with me on Diane Strom, and also, several others have also agreed that Curtis got a bad rap. So why you have singled out me is a mystery.

7, Don't you think you're being very hypocritical by saying that Diane Strom can say whatever she wants, but I can't about this case?

8. Curtis deserves praise for his "I wish it were me" comment. How many other people on UM or in real life ditch their significant other when they fall into a state like that? Chad Noe for example.

9. You are offended by my posts? Oh noes, whatever shall i do? people get offended by stuff all the time, how do you think we've morphed into such a politically correct society?

Corky Kneivel · 05-07-2010, 01:54 PM

Everyone has the right to hold, as well as express, their own opinion.

That being said I don’t think criticism of Diane Strom holds any water. Unless you’re a parent who’s raised a beautiful child to a beautiful young adult only to see that young adult, full of promise and future, reduced back to a permanent childlike state…unless you’ve gone through that your criticism of her, ESPECIALLY based solely off a few minutes of TV time, is uninformed and ignorant.

I found her venting her frustrations like that to be a refreshingly honest moment. I just don’t understand how anyone can decide that she never gives her daughter care and compassion based off an honest answer to a direct question.

If the majority consensus is a negative view of Diane Strom well then I am certainly in the minority on this one.

Mastermind · 05-07-2010, 04:36 PM

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1. Being that dozens upon dozens of people that have been profiled on UM and their family members, friends, etc have posted on here, yes I have considered the possibility of Diane Strom coming on here. Doesn't mean I'm going to change my posts. If I did that, we all may as well delete all of our posts because at any given point in time, anybody associated with any case may post. I'm not going to change my posts because someone may or may come on here and may or may not be offended by it.

Anybody who goes on this forum has to realize that this an open discussion and speculation on people is fair game.

This board would become very dull (and pointless) if people pulled punches here.

wiseguy182 · 05-07-2010, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Corky Kneivel

Everyone has the right to hold, as well as express, their own opinion.

That being said I don’t think criticism of Diane Strom holds any water. Unless you’re a parent who’s raised a beautiful child to a beautiful young adult only to see that young adult, full of promise and future, reduced back to a permanent childlike state…unless you’ve gone through that your criticism of her, ESPECIALLY based solely off a few minutes of TV time, is uninformed and ignorant.

I found her venting her frustrations like that to be a refreshingly honest moment. I just don’t understand how anyone can decide that she never gives her daughter care and compassion based off an honest answer to a direct question.

If the majority consensus is a negative view of Diane Strom well then I am certainly in the minority on this one.

that's some pretty tough talk coming from the same person who holds a personal bias against Tony Lombardi, his mother, his friend, and pretty much anybody associated with him, because you are HELLBENT on the theory that he committed suicide, which seems completely far-fetched IMO.

mattc · 05-08-2010, 03:51 PM

As one who also commented on Diane's remarks, i feel I should put in a word or two myself.

Maybe there are some here who are "judging" Diane, but I know my comments were not meant to be that way at all. I was just stating that her comments, seemingly in the presence of her daughter, such as "I sure miss the old Jenny" made me feel bad for Jenny. That's all. Perhaps Wiseguy shouldn't have said she is "completely ignorant" of her daughter's needs. That is clearly not the case, especially after reading the articles that describe the effort she has put into her daughter's treatment.

Remember though, we're all here just expressing our ideas and opinions. No need to act like it's the worst thing on the planet.

dynoguy88 · 05-08-2010, 04:31 PM

I'm willing to cut Diane Strom some slack. She was being interviewed over a horrific event that completely changed her daughter's life for good. I can't imagine too many people would be able to come up with the right words to express such an emotional thing happening to their loved one, much less their own child.

I would also have to imagine that the state she saw Jenny in once she got to the hospital never goes away. Her hair being red from all the blood, bleeding out of her ears and her mouth, having tubes all over her.

My heart goes out to both Jenny and her mother. And I hope they're doing much better today.

wiseguy182 · 05-10-2010, 01:10 AM

I guess my statement of Diane "being totally ignorant of her daughter's needs" was not accurate. A better statement would have been "Diane is totally ignorant of how to conduct herself, especially in front of her child."

But...IMO, there's no denying that Diane Strom is completely inappropriate in what she says in the segment and follow-up interview on the 3rd anniversary special.

to recap:

1. she says, in regards to Jenny "her life is pretty much over" and "I'm not sure what she's doing could be classified as living." This is going too far. This was no doubt a very traumatic experience, but what Diane says implies that she thinks Jenny may as well die because she has no reason to live.

2. she says "I miss the old Jenny." this gives me the impression that she can't deal with her daughter in her new condition.

3. interrupts her daughter at various points. This gives the impression that she thinks Jenny is not capable of even talking or voicing her feelings on her own accord, which is not the case.

4. says in front of Jenny that she doesn't think her case would ever be solved. This is basically saying to Jenny "give up hope of your assailants ever being captured."

5. says that the UM program did not generate any leads. I highly doubt this. Plus, how would she know that? The tips would have been reported to the police, not to her. This is also means she implied the program was worthless.

Diane has a right to be bitter, but her problem is she is taking it out on her daughter, which is the last person she should take it out on.

Tap Dancer · 05-10-2010, 12:54 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

1. she says, in regards to Jenny "her life is pretty much over" and "I'm not sure what she's doing could be classified as living." This is going too far. This was no doubt a very traumatic experience, but what Diane says implies that she thinks Jenny may as well die because she has no reason to live.

I agree with all of the points you made. The one I quoted makes me feel really sad for Jenny. It's not like she's in a coma. "I'm not sure what she's doing could be classified as living."

At least Jenny is alive. She can talk and move and think. I hope Diane is grateful for that.

Corky Kneivel · 05-10-2010, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by wiseguy182

that's some pretty tough talk coming from the same person who holds a personal bias against Tony Lombardi, his mother, his friend, and pretty much anybody associated with him, because you are HELLBENT on the theory that he committed suicide, which seems completely far-fetched IMO.

LOL. Okay.

Oldschooler81 · 05-23-2010, 09:05 PM

For what it's worth, I basically am on the side of thinking Diane Strom was well intentioned (no question she loved her daughter), but her comments and attitude did come across as rude. I would totally agree with her in wanting the punk kids to be caught and be punished for what they did, but I felt she put too much emphasis on the negative aspects; not enough love and understanding towards Jenny.

I had a bigger problem with the way she acted in the Live Telecenter episode 2 years later. Cutting Jenny off midsentence despite her protests as if her opinion wasn't important (you can vaguely hear her go "Mommm"), and even kinda rude towards Stack, politely insulting the show he was hosting as if to say it was meaningless in being able to catch the guys.

I guess what I'm saying is I agree with Diane, just not her way of expressing herself.

Just another thought I had right now - I wonder if the reason some people are skewed in their opinions of how Curtis acted or spoke is because of his past. He certainly wasn't a hardcore criminal, just a surfer dude who probably got in some fights and dealt drugs, just a rebellious youth (that bad boy image probably was what drew Jenny to him in the first place).

The real tragedy is that life inadvertantly led to his girlfriend being attacked (even if it was meant for him). Sure, he had a somewhat shady past, but nothing that you'd think would lead to anything like this happening. I got the impression he was basically a good guy trying to escape his past, and taking steps to turn his life around.

If that guy on Facebook is indeed him (looks alot like him, albeit kinda older) it'd be interesting to hear his thoughts now, or what he's got to say. I hope he's doing well today.

If he had been an innocent, upstanding "guy next door" type of boyfriend (i.e. Rob Schafer) and the same situation happened...I get the feeling people would have more sympathy towards him and focused just on the attackers. That's no small point either, because typically UM would leave out details like that, so as not to paint the victims in a negative light.

Viper652 · 05-25-2010, 02:55 AM

Curtis Croft still looks like a douche bag

Viper652 · 05-26-2010, 01:16 AM

LMAO here is his twitter. http://twitter.com/CURTISCROFT

This dude was 24 years old dating a 16 year old, lol. Douche bag. Plus he was lying saying he was 17. Jennifer Patt was young and didnt know any better. He basically brought this on to her. I hardly see him as a victim.

Viper652 · 05-26-2010, 01:25 AM

And Id LOVE to know the reason those dudes were hard set after Curtis. Would be interesting If Curtis actually did something major to them.

Oldschooler81 · 05-26-2010, 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper652

LMAO here is his twitter. http://twitter.com/CURTISCROFT

This dude was 24 years old dating a 16 year old, lol. Douche bag. Plus he was lying saying he was 17. Jennifer Patt was young and didnt know any better. He basically brought this on to her. I hardly see him as a victim.

LOL, true. I sometimes forget about the age difference. Even if they didn't have sex or anything, they still shouldn't have been dating. Jenny probably was drawn to him because he had a nice car and was a semi bad boy, but they should've stayed away (or at least not been without supervision) until she was 18.

Maybe that fuelled Jenny's mom being so aggravated in general (I hate her attitude, but I can see where she's coming from too). Curtis isn't totally innocent, no question...but I don't think he's a scum either (compare him to Paul Pollis or Mark Nichols). He did screw up but at least his concern seemed genuine.

wiseguy182 · 05-26-2010, 06:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Viper652

I hardly see him as a victim.

He was hit in the head with a board and they probably intended to do worse damage to him than they did. Sounds like he's a victim to me.

05-08-2010, 04:31 PM	#81
dynoguy88 Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 01, 2000 Location: Michigan, USA Posts: 3,668	reply I'm willing to cut Diane Strom some slack. She was being interviewed over a horrific event that completely changed her daughter's life for good. I can't imagine too many people would be able to come up with the right words to express such an emotional thing happening to their loved one, much less their own child. I would also have to imagine that the state she saw Jenny in once she got to the hospital never goes away. Her hair being red from all the blood, bleeding out of her ears and her mouth, having tubes all over her. My heart goes out to both Jenny and her mother. And I hope they're doing much better today.

05-07-2010, 01:54 PM	#77
Corky Kneivel Member Forum Regular Join Date: Feb 12, 2007 Location: Sacratomato Posts: 570	Everyone has the right to hold, as well as express, their own opinion. That being said I don’t think criticism of Diane Strom holds any water. Unless you’re a parent who’s raised a beautiful child to a beautiful young adult only to see that young adult, full of promise and future, reduced back to a permanent childlike state…unless you’ve gone through that your criticism of her, ESPECIALLY based solely off a few minutes of TV time, is uninformed and ignorant. I found her venting her frustrations like that to be a refreshingly honest moment. I just don’t understand how anyone can decide that she never gives her daughter care and compassion based off an honest answer to a direct question. If the majority consensus is a negative view of Diane Strom well then I am certainly in the minority on this one.

05-08-2010, 03:51 PM	#80
mattc Member Frequent Poster Join Date: Nov 16, 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 273	As one who also commented on Diane's remarks, i feel I should put in a word or two myself. Maybe there are some here who are "judging" Diane, but I know my comments were not meant to be that way at all. I was just stating that her comments, seemingly in the presence of her daughter, such as "I sure miss the old Jenny" made me feel bad for Jenny. That's all. Perhaps Wiseguy shouldn't have said she is "completely ignorant" of her daughter's needs. That is clearly not the case, especially after reading the articles that describe the effort she has put into her daughter's treatment. Remember though, we're all here just expressing our ideas and opinions. No need to act like it's the worst thing on the planet.

05-10-2010, 01:10 AM	#82
wiseguy182 Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 11, 2006 Location: Wendy's salad bar Posts: 7,030	I guess my statement of Diane "being totally ignorant of her daughter's needs" was not accurate. A better statement would have been "Diane is totally ignorant of how to conduct herself, especially in front of her child." But...IMO, there's no denying that Diane Strom is completely inappropriate in what she says in the segment and follow-up interview on the 3rd anniversary special. to recap: 1. she says, in regards to Jenny "her life is pretty much over" and "I'm not sure what she's doing could be classified as living." This is going too far. This was no doubt a very traumatic experience, but what Diane says implies that she thinks Jenny may as well die because she has no reason to live. 2. she says "I miss the old Jenny." this gives me the impression that she can't deal with her daughter in her new condition. 3. interrupts her daughter at various points. This gives the impression that she thinks Jenny is not capable of even talking or voicing her feelings on her own accord, which is not the case. 4. says in front of Jenny that she doesn't think her case would ever be solved. This is basically saying to Jenny "give up hope of your assailants ever being captured." 5. says that the UM program did not generate any leads. I highly doubt this. Plus, how would she know that? The tips would have been reported to the police, not to her. This is also means she implied the program was worthless. Diane has a right to be bitter, but her problem is she is taking it out on her daughter, which is the last person she should take it out on.

05-23-2010, 09:05 PM	#85
Oldschooler81 Member Frequent Poster Join Date: May 03, 2009 Location: Northern CA Posts: 457	For what it's worth, I basically am on the side of thinking Diane Strom was well intentioned (no question she loved her daughter), but her comments and attitude did come across as rude. I would totally agree with her in wanting the punk kids to be caught and be punished for what they did, but I felt she put too much emphasis on the negative aspects; not enough love and understanding towards Jenny. I had a bigger problem with the way she acted in the Live Telecenter episode 2 years later. Cutting Jenny off midsentence despite her protests as if her opinion wasn't important (you can vaguely hear her go "Mommm"), and even kinda rude towards Stack, politely insulting the show he was hosting as if to say it was meaningless in being able to catch the guys. I guess what I'm saying is I agree with Diane, just not her way of expressing herself. Just another thought I had right now - I wonder if the reason some people are skewed in their opinions of how Curtis acted or spoke is because of his past. He certainly wasn't a hardcore criminal, just a surfer dude who probably got in some fights and dealt drugs, just a rebellious youth (that bad boy image probably was what drew Jenny to him in the first place). The real tragedy is that life inadvertantly led to his girlfriend being attacked (even if it was meant for him). Sure, he had a somewhat shady past, but nothing that you'd think would lead to anything like this happening. I got the impression he was basically a good guy trying to escape his past, and taking steps to turn his life around. If that guy on Facebook is indeed him (looks alot like him, albeit kinda older) it'd be interesting to hear his thoughts now, or what he's got to say. I hope he's doing well today. If he had been an innocent, upstanding "guy next door" type of boyfriend (i.e. Rob Schafer) and the same situation happened...I get the feeling people would have more sympathy towards him and focused just on the attackers. That's no small point either, because typically UM would leave out details like that, so as not to paint the victims in a negative light.

05-25-2010, 02:55 AM	#86
Viper652 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 01, 2009 Posts: 56	Curtis Croft still looks like a douche bag

05-26-2010, 01:16 AM	#87
Viper652 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 01, 2009 Posts: 56	LMAO here is his twitter. http://twitter.com/CURTISCROFT This dude was 24 years old dating a 16 year old, lol. Douche bag. Plus he was lying saying he was 17. Jennifer Patt was young and didnt know any better. He basically brought this on to her. I hardly see him as a victim.

05-26-2010, 01:25 AM	#88
Viper652 Member Occasional Poster Join Date: Aug 01, 2009 Posts: 56	And Id LOVE to know the reason those dudes were hard set after Curtis. Would be interesting If Curtis actually did something major to them.