Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[TheCars1986]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Yep, that line the guy says about not even needing to use the phone seems so melodramatic considering the situation. I think if I were a criminal in the process of abducting someone, making cryptic comments would be the furthest thing from my mind.

I'm assuming that in the ensuing struggle between Angela and her abductor (as he was taking her into his truck), he yelled/grunted the line. I tend to think Robert Stack's delivery of the line made a lot of people think (including me at first) that the abductor uttered it calm, cool, and collected.

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by TheCars1986

I'm assuming that in the ensuing struggle between Angela and her abductor (as he was taking her into his truck), he yelled/grunted the line. I tend to think Robert Stack's delivery of the line made a lot of people think (including me at first) that the abductor uttered it calm, cool, and collected.

Yep, there are lots of cases where I get the reenactment and the actual facts mixed up, then have to review the DVD to see what happened vs. the way I mistakenly remembered it.

Even when commenting on this topic, I had forgotten if that line was scripted or if the abductor actually stated it..... and this is one of my favorite UM segments, so I should have it memorized by now.

[CuriousMind90]

I just recently rewatched the Colleen Reed segment on the unnamed site and I notice that two men were apprehended for her murder: Kenneth McDuff as well know, and a bearded man who admitted to helping abduct her. The video was unclear but his last name was Wood. He was a creepy, bearded man with unkempt hair. I was just wondering if perhaps there is a connection there. Maybe it was the two of them who grabbed Angela but in her case they used a different pick up; Maybe the guy who helped McDuff abduct Reed had a taste for abduction himself and abducted Angela alone or with another creep.

The MO is quite similar, but then we also have the two serial killer brothers Rush and Chaney whose MOs were much the same as well.

[TracyLynnS]

McDuff's accomplice in the Colleen Reed murder was Alva Hank Worley. I don't know if he had any aliases.

McDuff can be placed in TX for at least a couple of the later months of 1991 (Angela was abducted in April 1991) and early 1992 because of four known murders.

He can be placed in Kansas City, MO (Angela was abducted from Clinton, MO) in early 1992, using an alias and working for a garbage company. He was arrested 5/4/92 while driving to a landfill! Perfect job for a prolific murderer such as McDuff, who successfully hid the bodies of his victims, some never being found.

Many have considered McDuff and/or his accomplices could be involved in Angela's case. He certainly traveled frequently through the areas of known murders/abductions that fit his pattern.

I'm just glad the SOB is dead. He was actually sentenced to death for a gruesome triple teen rape and murder, but was released due to prison over crowding. Ticked me off to no end. They let McDuff out to make room for some embezzler or dope dealer, I'm sure. He immediately went out and starting raping, torturing, and murdering again. Anyone one of us here could have predicted that outcome when a sadistic killer like McDuff is set free. Why couldn't TX figure it out? I thought they had a dang express lane to the death chamber.

At least they revamped their system after this, but look at the lives it cost and the ruined lives of the surviving loved ones. (McDuff is my biggest pet peeve case, by far! I'm sure you can tell, and I'm glad he's finally where he belongs.)

Last year, I bought the book "No Remorse" about McDuff, his accomplices, his crazy family, his crimes, etc. Very much worth a read if the subject interests you.

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edited cuz I was posting while angry and, as usual, not making any sense

[TracyLynnS]

Basic McDuff timeline (according to wikipedia), I've got the book right here, but just don't have the time to verify wiki's account against the book yet. I'm pretty sure there are more victims than what are listed here. Some were runaways and/or prostitutes and/or drug users. IIRC, the book says not all suspected murder victims have been found.

WARNING *** GRAPHIC CONTENT ***

March 21, 1946 - McDuff's birth

Childhood - spent shooting at critters for entertainment, among other inappropriate pursuits

1964 - (18 years old) - convicted of 12 counts of burglary and attempted burglary in 3 TX counties. Sentenced to four 12 years prison terms to be served concurrently.

1965 - (19 years old) paroled and sent on his merry way just a few months into his 12 year sentences. Violated parole and was almost immediately released again. Claimed to have raped and killed two young women during this time. Nothing came of this confession.

August 6, 1966 (20 years old) - McDuff and accomplice Roy Dale Green bought beer in Ft. Worth. At 10:00pm, they came upon 3 teens parked at a baseball field: Robert Brand (18), his cousin Mark Dunman (16), and Brand's girlfriend Edna Louise Sullivan (16). At gunpoint, McDuff ordered all three teens into the trunk of their own car.

Both cars were driven to a secluded 2nd location. The girl was put into the trunk of McDuff's car. The teen boys were shot to death.

They left the dead boys and their car, then drove to a 3rd secluded location. Both men tortured and raped the teen girl. McDuff violently sexually impaled the girl with a 3 foot long broomstick, then strangled her to death with it.

The following day - Perps destroyed evidence, Green confessed to his mother and turned himself in to police.

McDuff received 3 death sentences (Green got 25 years). McDuff was sent to the electric chair twice but received last minute reprieves. His sentences were then commuted to life with option of parole after 10 years.

October 11, 1989 - 43 y/o McDuff is paroled due to prison overcrowding. 750 LOW RISK prisoners were to be released per week. McDuff was one of 20 death row inmates and 127 murderers to be paroled.

McDuff is employed as a gas station attendant and becomes a student at a Tech College in Waco.

October 14, 1989 - Three days after his release from prison, he murders 31 y/o Sarafia Parker in Temple, TX. Oblivious authorities send him back to prison on a parole violation for making death threats in an unrelated case.

December 18, 1990 - released from prison, again.

October 10, 1991 - Brenda Thompson, a Waco prostitute, was abducted and restrained in McDuff's vehicle. Police attempted to stop his car, the victim kicked at the windshield for help, McDuff escaped, tortured and murdered Brenda, whose body was not found for 7 years.

October 15, 1991 - McDuff abducted and murdered Reginia DeAnne Moore, a 17 year old Waco prostitute. Her body was found 2 years later.

December 29, 1991 - McDuff and Worley abduct 28 year old accountant, Colleen Reed from a public car wash. She was raped, tortured, and murdered.

February 24, 1992 - McDuff murdered prostitute and fellow Waco college student, Valencia Joshua.

March 1, 1992 - McDuff murdered 22 year old pregnant, Melissa Northrup, a Waco Quik Stop clerk.

McDuff moves to Kansas City, MO and begins working as a garbage collector using an alias.

May 4, 1992 - McDuff is arrested by a surveillance team of 6 police officers while enroute to a landfill south of Kansas City

November 17, 1998 - McDuff executed

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Basic McDuff timeline (according to wikipedia), I've got the book right here, but just don't have the time to verify wiki's account against the book yet. I'm pretty sure there are more victims than what are listed here. Some were runaways and/or prostitutes and/or drug users. IIRC, the book says not all suspected murder victims have been found.

WARNING *** GRAPHIC CONTENT ***

March 21, 1946 - McDuff's birth

Childhood - spent shooting at critters for entertainment, among other inappropriate pursuits

1964 - (18 years old) - convicted of 12 counts of burglary and attempted burglary in 3 TX counties. Sentenced to four 12 years prison terms to be served concurrently.

1965 - (19 years old) paroled and sent on his merry way just a few months into his 12 year sentences. Violated parole and was almost immediately released again. Claimed to have raped and killed two young women during this time. Nothing came of this confession.

August 6, 1966 (20 years old) - McDuff and accomplice Roy Dale Green bought beer in Ft. Worth. At 10:00pm, they came upon 3 teens parked at a baseball field: Robert Brand (18), his cousin Mark Dunman (16), and Brand's girlfriend Edna Louise Sullivan (16). At gunpoint, McDuff ordered all three teens into the trunk of their own car.

Both cars were driven to a secluded 2nd location. The girl was put into the trunk of McDuff's car. The teen boys were shot to death.

They left the dead boys and their car, then drove to a 3rd secluded location. Both men tortured and raped the teen girl. McDuff violently sexually impaled the girl with a 3 foot long broomstick, then strangled her to death with it.

The following day - Perps destroyed evidence, Green confessed to his mother and turned himself in to police.

McDuff received 3 death sentences (Green got 25 years). McDuff was sent to the electric chair twice but received last minute reprieves. His sentences were then commuted to life with option of parole after 10 years.

October 11, 1989 - 43 y/o McDuff is paroled due to prison overcrowding. 750 LOW RISK prisoners were to be released per week. McDuff was one of 20 death row inmates and 127 murderers to be paroled.

McDuff is employed as a gas station attendant and becomes a student at a Tech College in Waco.

October 14, 1989 - Three days after his release from prison, he murders 31 y/o Sarafia Parker in Temple, TX. Oblivious authorities send him back to prison on a parole violation for making death threats in an unrelated case.

December 18, 1990 - released from prison, again.

October 10, 1991 - Brenda Thompson, a Waco prostitute, was abducted and restrained in McDuff's vehicle. Police attempted to stop his car, the victim kicked at the windshield for help, McDuff escaped, tortured and murdered Brenda, whose body was not found for 7 years.

October 15, 1991 - McDuff abducted and murdered Reginia DeAnne Moore, a 17 year old Waco prostitute. Her body was found 2 years later.

December 29, 1991 - McDuff and Worley abduct 28 year old accountant, Colleen Reed from a public car wash. She was raped, tortured, and murdered.

February 24, 1992 - McDuff murdered prostitute and fellow Waco college student, Valencia Joshua.

March 1, 1992 - McDuff murdered 22 year old pregnant, Melissa Northrup, a Waco Quik Stop clerk.

McDuff moves to Kansas City, MO and begins working as a garbage collector using an alias.

May 4, 1992 - McDuff is arrested by a surveillance team of 6 police officers while enroute to a landfill south of Kansas City

November 17, 1998 - McDuff executed

To me McDuff should have always been looked at as a suspect and here is why
The abduction fit his MO. We know he had no problem grabbing women from public places and murdering them, Then hiding the body

His vehicle would have been from out of state which would explain why the Hiway patrol was never able to match the trucks description to anyone local.

We know that he moved to KC in 1992 and could have very well been up here prior to that as its only an 8 hour drive from TX

[XCalibur]

Originally Posted by kane7474

To me McDuff should have always been looked at as a suspect and here is why
The abduction fit his MO. We know he had no problem grabbing women from public places and murdering them, Then hiding the body

His vehicle would have been from out of state which would explain why the Hiway patrol was never able to match the trucks description to anyone local.

We know that he moved to KC in 1992 and could have very well been up here prior to that as its only an 8 hour drive from TX

I don't think it was McDuff. At the time of Angela Hammond's dissapearance he was enrolled at Waco Technical Institute, and from everything I've heard he was selling drugs to students, praying on them and such. With all that going on, why would he drive six or seven hours to an obscure place like Clinton, Missouri for a victim?

Granted, the murder does in some ways fit his MO, and I think he was capable of pulling it off, but I don't think he did because he didn't move to Missouri until early 1992. I don't think he can be completely ruled out but I don't think he did it.

I've said several times I think Larry Hall is a stronger suspect. Larry Hall was almost always in transit visiting Civil War battle reinactments, his known victims are very similar to Angela Hammond, he was most certainly active in 1991 and was not caught until 1994, and he definitely killed throughout several midwest states including Missouri. I'm pretty sure there was a murder he commited in Indiana about two months before Angela Hammond was abducted.

McDuff I think was relatively grounded in Waco in early 1991, I don't think he started moving around for victims until later that year.

[TracyLynnS]

Everything I've read online says McDuff enrolled in the Waco college in "early 1991". (I assume they mean at the start of the semester. Would he have been able to enroll later in the semester than January, or whenever it began?)

Angela was abducted hundreds of miles away from the Waco area, in Clinton, MO, April 4, 1991.

I doubt McDuff is responsible, but he was quite the traveler, even way back in his burglary days of the 60s.

He killed a woman in Temple, TX in 1989, then between 12/1990 (released from prison) and when he was known to have killed a Waco woman in 10/1991, it's not unreasonable to think he could have been traveling around killing.

It could have all just been in TX, but he sure went a long time without a killing anyone between 1990 and 1991, then to have a known killing streak of 3 murders in the last three months of 1991, for him to have gone so long without committing any other murders.

I think there are more 1991 victims, but there may be only one on the 1991 TX doenetwork that fits his M.O. including circumstances where there's not a good suspect, such as a spouse or boyfriend. I think there are only two doenetwork 1991 MO missing women cases, besides Hammond, that could fit his M.O. There are no 1992 doenetwork cases that could be attributed to him, since those women went missing after he was arrested that spring.

I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that he'd be traveling between TX and MO to solidify some connections to the area for when he finally moved there in 1992, getting the garbage hauler job.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Everything I've read online says McDuff enrolled in the Waco college in "early 1991". (I assume they mean at the start of the semester. Would he have been able to enroll later in the semester than January, or whenever it began?)

Angela was abducted hundreds of miles away from the Waco area, in Clinton, MO, April 4, 1991.

I doubt McDuff is responsible, but he was quite the traveler, even way back in his burglary days of the 60s.

He killed a woman in Temple, TX in 1989, then between 12/1990 (released from prison) and when he was known to have killed a Waco woman in 10/1991, it's not unreasonable to think he could have been traveling around killing.

It could have all just been in TX, but he sure went a long time without a killing anyone between 1990 and 1991, then to have a known killing streak of 3 murders in the last three months of 1991, for him to have gone so long without committing any other murders.

I think there are more 1991 victims, but there may be only one on the 1991 TX doenetwork that fits his M.O. including circumstances where there's not a good suspect, such as a spouse or boyfriend. I think there are only two doenetwork 1991 MO missing women cases, besides Hammond, that could fit his M.O. There are no 1992 doenetwork cases that could be attributed to him, since those women went missing after he was arrested that spring.

I also don't think it's unreasonable to think that he'd be traveling between TX and MO to solidify some connections to the area for when he finally moved there in 1992, getting the garbage hauler job.

Your last sentence is kind of what I was trying to hit on in my post. We know he moves to KC in 1992 but did he just move here with no connection to the area whatsoever? Did he just drive up here on a whim and get set up with a job and a place to stay out of no where?? Chances are he had been making trips to this area and had made a few connections. He very easily could have travelled up this way and found himself someone to adbuct in a small town like clinton. I also think larry Hall is a good suspect also

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Your last sentence is kind of what I was trying to hit on in my post. We know he moves to KC in 1992 but did he just move here with no connection to the area whatsoever? Did he just drive up here on a whim and get set up with a job and a place to stay out of no where?? Chances are he had been making trips to this area and had made a few connections. He very easily could have travelled up this way and found himself someone to adbuct in a small town like clinton. I also think larry Hall is a good suspect also

Yep, it's McDuff's penchant for traveling (and successfully hiding bodies) that makes me think there should be an attempt to at least eliminate him in Angela's case.

This guy thought nothing of traveling nearly 100 miles in a day committing crimes. He's known to travel out of state, so there could be potential victims outside of TX. He also like to grab victims from public places. IIRC, it was only when he got heavily into drugs that he started getting lazy and killing acquaintances (the prostitutes, one that I think was an on/off girlfriend of his).

Clinton, MO is about 77 miles outside the center of Kansas City (where McDuff was finally caught) and even closer to the south side of the city, where he was arrested. Depending on which route McDuff took from Waco to KC, Clinton is right there.

I should read the book again. It might say exactly when/how McDuff made his connection to KC, where he stayed, etc.

My only question is which Clinton, MO Angela was from. There is one on the west side of the state in Henry County, near KC and one is closer to the east side of the state in Phelps County. I am almost 100% positive that Angela's town was the one on the west side, putting her town in McDuff's path.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

Yep, it's McDuff's penchant for traveling (and successfully hiding bodies) that makes me think there should be an attempt to at least eliminate him in Angela's case.

This guy thought nothing of traveling nearly 100 miles in a day committing crimes. He's known to travel out of state, so there could be potential victims outside of TX. He also like to grab victims from public places. IIRC, it was only when he got heavily into drugs that he started getting lazy and killing acquaintances (the prostitutes, one that I think was an on/off girlfriend of his).

Clinton, MO is about 77 miles outside the center of Kansas City (where McDuff was finally caught) and even closer to the south side of the city, where he was arrested. Depending on which route McDuff took from Waco to KC, Clinton is right there.

I should read the book again. It might say exactly when/how McDuff made his connection to KC, where he stayed, etc.

My only question is which Clinton, MO Angela was from. There is one on the west side of the state in Henry County, near KC and one is closer to the east side of the state in Phelps County. I am almost 100% positive that Angela's town was the one on the west side, putting her town in McDuff's path.

Angela was from Clinton in Henry county not far from KC. Im 100% on that

[TracyLynnS]

I've been re-reading "No Remorse" the McDuff book by Bob Stewart. I thought I'd quote some of it regarding the time frame surrounding Angela Hammond's abduction.

I'm on page 119 of 306, and there's a lot more info on McDuff's crimes than just the bit I posted from what I found online. He had access to many different vehicles, went to community colleges in different decades, and traveled even more extensively to commit crimes than I had remembered.

By the end of the 80s, he was considered to be a suffering, wrongfully convicted, innocent man, finally freed, and was meeting with producers for a movie deal. His parents were such enablers that when he was paroled in 1989, they welcomed him home with a big party and a brand new Ford Mustang. He also qualified for and received food stamps. Wonder if he drove to the family aid office in his fancy new sports car....

Quoting the parts that relate to the specific time frame and edited for space. McDuff had committed a somewhat minor known crime and was sent back to jail after his 1989 release, then:

(Page 99)

McDuff was paroled to his parents home on December 18, 1990.

[He] worked briefly in the Dallas area as a forklift operator before he moved back to Temple to live with his parents. He continued to receive food stamps.

McDuff's movie deal moved a step closer to reality in January 1991. Gloria Jackson, Gary's wife and law partner, wrote Kenneth that a movie deal was nearing with United Screenwriters Production Partners in Dallas. She asked Kenneth to make himself available for a stockholder meeting of Justice for McDuff, Inc., between February 4 and 18.

In a separate letter, Jackson wrote out the details of the proposed venture with United Screenwriters, then she went on to warn McDuff about moving his residence without permission from the parole board. As if writing a recent high school graduate [he was 43], Gloria outlined plans for McDuff to live at home with his parents while commuting to school.

(page 100)

By March McDuff was enrolled in Texas State Technical College in Waco. He decided to live in the dormitory -- a man in his forties living the life of a young college student. He applied for, and received, an $800 student loan.

[Angela was abducted April 4, 1991, in Clinton, MO, almost 600 miles from Waco, TX.]

In May McDuff took a job at Quik Pak #8, a convenience store on New Road near the college and I35. [He lied on the application, stating he'd never been convicted of a felony and had 44 college credits. I35 can be taken straight from Waco, through Oklahoma City, Wichita, and then right into Kansas City, MO where he was finally arrested one year later in 1992.]

He worked the graveyard shift beginning May 9, but in less than a month the responsibility was more than he could bear. [He abandoned his job.] He was terminated on June 2, 1991, for failure to return to work when scheduled.

The next month petite 21 year old Melissa Ann Northrup would sign up with Quik Pak #8. Her first day was July 22, 1991. She had been introduced to McDuff by her husband, Aaron, who had trained him for the Quik Pak job. The couple had two children. [IIRC, she was pregnant with her 3rd child when McDuff killed her.]

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Angela was from Clinton in Henry county not far from KC. Im 100% on that

You are correct.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by TracyLynnS

I've been re-reading "No Remorse" the McDuff book by Bob Stewart. I thought I'd quote some of it regarding the time frame surrounding Angela Hammond's abduction.

I'm on page 119 of 306, and there's a lot more info on McDuff's crimes than just the bit I posted from what I found online. He had access to many different vehicles, went to community colleges in different decades, and traveled even more extensively to commit crimes than I had remembered.

By the end of the 80s, he was considered to be a suffering, wrongfully convicted, innocent man, finally freed, and was meeting with producers for a movie deal. His parents were such enablers that when he was paroled in 1989, they welcomed him home with a big party and a brand new Ford Mustang. He also qualified for and received food stamps. Wonder if he drove to the family aid office in his fancy new sports car....

Quoting the parts that relate to the specific time frame and edited for space. McDuff had committed a somewhat minor known crime and was sent back to jail after his 1989 release, then:

(Page 99)

McDuff was paroled to his parents home on December 18, 1990.

[He] worked briefly in the Dallas area as a forklift operator before he moved back to Temple to live with his parents. He continued to receive food stamps.

McDuff's movie deal moved a step closer to reality in January 1991. Gloria Jackson, Gary's wife and law partner, wrote Kenneth that a movie deal was nearing with United Screenwriters Production Partners in Dallas. She asked Kenneth to make himself available for a stockholder meeting of Justice for McDuff, Inc., between February 4 and 18.

In a separate letter, Jackson wrote out the details of the proposed venture with United Screenwriters, then she went on to warn McDuff about moving his residence without permission from the parole board. As if writing a recent high school graduate [he was 43], Gloria outlined plans for McDuff to live at home with his parents while commuting to school.

(page 100)

By March McDuff was enrolled in Texas State Technical College in Waco. He decided to live in the dormitory -- a man in his forties living the life of a young college student. He applied for, and received, an $800 student loan.

[Angela was abducted April 4, 1991, in Clinton, MO, almost 600 miles from Waco, TX.]

In May McDuff took a job at Quik Pak #8, a convenience store on New Road near the college and I35. [He lied on the application, stating he'd never been convicted of a felony and had 44 college credits. I35 can be taken straight from Waco, through Oklahoma City, Wichita, and then right into Kansas City, MO where he was finally arrested one year later in 1992.]

He worked the graveyard shift beginning May 9, but in less than a month the responsibility was more than he could bear. [He abandoned his job.] He was terminated on June 2, 1991, for failure to return to work when scheduled.

The next month petite 21 year old Melissa Ann Northrup would sign up with Quik Pak #8. Her first day was July 22, 1991. She had been introduced to McDuff by her husband, Aaron, who had trained him for the Quik Pak job. The couple had two children. [IIRC, she was pregnant with her 3rd child when McDuff killed her.]

Wow after reading about this guy Im amazed. He really seemd to have nine lives. No doubt he should have been looked at in the abduction of Angela

[TracyLynnS]

Originally Posted by kane7474

Wow after reading about this guy Im amazed. He really seemd to have nine lives. No doubt he should have been looked at in the abduction of Angela

He even had more than nine lives! I'm about halfway through the book (2nd reading, I'm surprised I didn't quote more of it last year when I read it the first time) and he got out of a ton of stuff. Tons!

So many things could have sent him back to prison and he kept getting out of each one of them. For example, when he abducted Brenda, the girl who was restrained in his truck and trying to kick out the windshield during a routine check point where McDuff tried to run over the cops..... several officers opted not to fill out paperwork about the incident as they didn't feel their lives were endangered.

The paperwork that was filled out was shuffled along, misplaced, missing, etc. I haven't finished that part of the book yet, but no one was even looking for Brenda! It was Regenia's mother (and a friend) who accidentally got Brenda's missing status investigated because she was looking for her own missing daughter, who was friends with Brenda!

IIRC, at the check point, only one cop got a look at McDuff. Everyone who witnessed it knew the female passenger's hands were restrained, likely behind her back, because they never saw her hands and she was frantically using her feet to escape and draw attention to her situation. They didn't really give much of a chase for McDuff after he blew through the check point, and he and his victim just "disappeared".