Angela Hammond - Girl abducted from phone booth

[CuriousMind90]

Originally Posted by chacha6581

Hey I brought that up in a previous post! I thought maybe because of the way he was dressed, he came through the area because of work. Maybe he was a painter, a handyman, a drywaller, or did pest control.
Perhaps instead, like you suggested, it was to go fishing. Most people usually go to fishing spots that they are familiar with right?
I was also thinking that he could have grown up a town or two away, so he knew how to get out of the area fast. Or that he may have been visiting an elderly parent or parents that lived in the area.

A handyman, painter, electrician (non-certified or certified), janitor, plumber or plumber's helper; part timer at a body shop, a construction laborer, gravedigger or something--something along those lines. Something IN CLINTON. Consider his appearance--Overalls, glasses, ball cap, dirty looking; unshaven. Not a Wall Street person. I'd say he might have a record for some sort of petty offence, maybe drugs or something of that nature. I'd definitely say he was at least a USER of drugs, possibly cocaine; maybe an alcoholic.

Consider this: He had a pick up truck, and a flash light. Now, the flashlight could've been used in prior abductions or future ones, and probably was, as a blunt weapon. But, it could've also been used for work--The type of workman job that would require working in the dark with a flash light, or in dark buildings.

To your point about the fishing--there are as I said a lot of lakes and rivers around where Angela was captured. And further south in Missouri are the Ozarks, where there's plenty of water sources and whatnot. I'm not familiar with MO, or Clinton especially, but the knowledge I do have tells me that there might've been a small community of fishermen. Maybe guys who met every once in a while. Or maybe this guy was a true loner and liked to fish--and hunt, perhaps--alone.

He may not have had had many friends, and the friends he did have may or may not have known about his behavior. May have had a girlfriend. I believe someone of his type would consort with nefarious types; Drug users and the like.

He definitely knew the area, which suggests he'd come through there at least once before--on business? Visiting?

And I don't believe his parents necessarily had to be elderly. The abductor himself could've been a pretty young man--Maybe between ages 20 and 38, let's say. He might be younger than one would think.

And the truck as I said could've belonged to a family member, a friend, an associate. Hell, maybe it was rented and he slapped the decal on there as a decoy. Maybe he isn't a fisherman but whoever really owned the truck was.

The key is the truck. Find it, and find who owned it, and where it went and who might own it now, and you won't be far from finding this man. The truck must be relooked into. With enough effort and time put into it, it can be found. I believe if there's ever any hope of solving this case, it lies with the truck. Even if we could trace it to a prior owner, that is, an owner prior to the abductor or whoever he got it from, that's a good start, that's a big step in the right direction.

Once the truck is found, it's only a matter of time before Angela's abductor is too.

[mwcarolina]

Originally Posted by Sundance

Yeah, I would subscribe to that also, if I had to bet on it, some criminal or ex-con maybe...It's impossible to close off all possibilities when we just don't know

oh, i could see the guy being an ex con or criminal, i think this guy is a serial rapist and could've just passed through the town and saw an opportunity. i agree that we just dont know, BUT the reason i say it's not Rob is many things including timeline and age. most first time killers leave a ton of evidence or gets suspected more, example, Paul Pollis or another Rob in Rob Page, they both acted suspicious.

Originally Posted by Sundance

After reading that article from a couple years back, it seems to me that the police (now, not then) think that these are separate incidents

i tend to think that the guy who did this could be an out of towner or a guy who doesnt even live in Missouri and likely was more careful with other murders/kidnappings he has done, but who knows. like i said i do eliminate Rob for the simple fact that his story maybe odd, it's not impossible, i have heard worse and the fact that the timeline doesnt fit gets me off his case.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by chacha6581

The truck that was used was so distinct, it really irked me that they did not get a hit on the description. Especially with a description of the man.
Also, I know this is a long shot, but if I was the police I would have hit as many gas stations as I could. That kidnapper had to fill up for gas, sooner than later in an old gas guzzling truck. They should have checked scrap yards too, but I think checking gas stations may have been a great idea trying to catch him fleeing the area.

I really don't think the truck was distinct at all. I mean first off there where tons of these types of early 70s trucks on the road at this time. Hell I can think of atleast three people at my highschool that had trucks matching this description at the time. Minus the mural though.
When they ran checks for this type of truck they came up with over 1500 matching descriptions in the state. Ofcourse the DMV is not going to have on file if the truck had a mural on the window or not.

No one has ever been able to answer the question as to what the immediate reaction of law enforcement was. I know what should have happened was that an apb should have been put out to every police dept within a hundred mile radius. All counties, cities and Highway patrol should have had a description of the truck as soon as Rob reported the abduction. I really dont think that happened though. I think they blamed Rob off that bat.

The following day they organized search parties to go out into wooded areas around Clinton and basically look for a body. That tells me they suspected Rob. I mean if they beileved someone sped off with her then why check in that area?

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by mwcarolina

oh, i could see the guy being an ex con or criminal, i think this guy is a serial rapist and could've just passed through the town and saw an opportunity. i agree that we just dont know, BUT the reason i say it's not Rob is many things including timeline and age. most first time killers leave a ton of evidence or gets suspected more, example, Paul Pollis or another Rob in Rob Page, they both acted suspicious.

i tend to think that the guy who did this could be an out of towner or a guy who doesnt even live in Missouri and likely was more careful with other murders/kidnappings he has done, but who knows. like i said i do eliminate Rob for the simple fact that his story maybe odd, it's not impossible, i have heard worse and the fact that the timeline doesnt fit gets me off his case.

If you want a profile of Angela's abductor then look at Dayle Wayne Eaton. Loner who lived on property in rural area. He abducted Lisa Kimmel from a restop. Towed her car home and buried it. Killed her and dumped her body and it took 14 years for police to catch up to him and they only got onto him because he attempted another abduction but met up with some people that fought back.

[mwcarolina]

Originally Posted by kane7474

If you want a profile of Angela's abductor then look at Dayle Wayne Eaton. Loner who lived on property in rural area. He abducted Lisa Kimmel from a restop. Towed her car home and buried it. Killed her and dumped her body and it took 14 years for police to catch up to him and they only got onto him because he attempted another abduction but met up with some people that fought back.

yeah i seen that one, it could be him though, but i think the guy who did this might be more unknown. i wouldnt be shocked if he was an ex con and i wouldnt be shocked if he was a con who never been caught either. i think they need to look into if Dayle Wayne Eaton had a truck like the one described.

[CuriousMind90]

I think you guys are looking in the wrong direction. Her abductor is someone who knew Clinton, and probably was there semi-regularly; at least more than once. Probably worked or had friends or family there. Workman type. It's pretty obvious. Could be a loner type, but then not necessarily.

Also, I looked up Eaton's mugshot. He does NOT match Angie's abductor at all. Also, Angela's abductor was less methodical than Eaton; Eaton towed his victim's car, buried it, etc. Angela's abductor, for example, left her car alone. Just took her and ran.

Angela's abduction was a very disorganized one; about the only organized aspect of it seems to be him circling to make sure she was alone, and even then--was he circling to ensure she was alone, or circling because he was unsure as to whether he wanted her or not? Was he searching through his truck's cab for a weapon to strike Angie with [to subdue her], or simply to distract Angela's attention? The perp's mind seems very disorganized.

For example, what was the whole point of looking he was going to use the other phone, only to say he'd try back later? That makes no sense and only makes him look suspicious and creepy. If you're a predator, you don't want to make your prey suspicious. That harms your chances of being successful.

Larry Hall fits the profile more. A very disorganized mind, that would perhaps even go into a sort of fugue state when he committed his murders, so much so he couldn't recall most of the details of them. He also 'worked' in the same area (Midwest) in the same period--late '80s to early '90s. Same general MO. Looked similar to what Angie described too. However, he kept 'trophies' from most of his victims--little personal items of theirs--Which in the end helped catch him. Some of his 'trophies' he admitted he dumped, though. His victims could number in the dozens.

[mwcarolina]

Originally Posted by CuriousMind90

I think you guys are looking in the wrong direction. Her abductor is someone who knew Clinton, and probably was there semi-regularly; at least more than once. Probably worked or had friends or family there. Workman type. It's pretty obvious. Could be a loner type, but then not necessarily.

he may have known clinton, but personally, i feel that this guy didnt live there, he may have passed through though before, i just feel that if he lived in Clinton people would know who he was or knew him more.

[kane7474]

Originally Posted by CuriousMind90

I think you guys are looking in the wrong direction. Her abductor is someone who knew Clinton, and probably was there semi-regularly; at least more than once. Probably worked or had friends or family there. Workman type. It's pretty obvious. Could be a loner type, but then not necessarily.

Also, I looked up Eaton's mugshot. He does NOT match Angie's abductor at all. Also, Angela's abductor was less methodical than Eaton; Eaton towed his victim's car, buried it, etc. Angela's abductor, for example, left her car alone. Just took her and ran.

Angela's abduction was a very disorganized one; about the only organized aspect of it seems to be him circling to make sure she was alone, and even then--was he circling to ensure she was alone, or circling because he was unsure as to whether he wanted her or not? Was he searching through his truck's cab for a weapon to strike Angie with [to subdue her], or simply to distract Angela's attention? The perp's mind seems very disorganized.

For example, what was the whole point of looking he was going to use the other phone, only to say he'd try back later? That makes no sense and only makes him look suspicious and creepy. If you're a predator, you don't want to make your prey suspicious. That harms your chances of being successful.

Larry Hall fits the profile more. A very disorganized mind, that would perhaps even go into a sort of fugue state when he committed his murders, so much so he couldn't recall most of the details of them. He also 'worked' in the same area (Midwest) in the same period--late '80s to early '90s. Same general MO. Looked similar to what Angie described too. However, he kept 'trophies' from most of his victims--little personal items of theirs--Which in the end helped catch him. Some of his 'trophies' he admitted he dumped, though. His victims could number in the dozens.

Oh Im not saying that Eaton was the culprit here. Im just saying it was someone similar to him in personality and lifestyle.

[jemame]

I know this is going to sound really silly, and Im probably dead wrong, but just for the hell of it I was searching through myspace and stumbled upon this profile, there are no close up photos of this lady, but from far it does look like angela hammond, there is an age difference by 2-3 years, and the birthday is different. I'm sure that her family has searched through various networking websites, but its worth a look, heres the link : http://www.myspace.com/265368756.
I know that its probably not her, and people are going to question why she would run away, the story to me just seems sketchy, just take a look! thanks !

[CuriousMind90]

If only...Maybe in another life she'll get the chance to grow older. Sad sad case.

[The Human Mop]

I think that if she ran away and was still alive she'd be more likely to change her first name than her age and birthday. She probably wouldn't be on MySpace, either.

So sad.

[CuriousMind90]

bump

[JenniferS.]

Speaking of a truck with a decal. I'm reminded of a case of little girl who got off her school bus and never made it home. Apparently a blue truck with skier .sking on snowy moutains was the decal on this ones back window. Decals were sure big on trucks in the early 80s. Anyone remember this case? I don't remember if it was on unsolved mysteries or not.


P.S. Sorry if i enterupted the topic. I just recalled that both cases had trucks with decals on them.

[amandab1234]

Originally Posted by JenniferS.

Speaking of a truck with a decal. I'm reminded of a case of little girl who got off her school bus and never made it home. Apparently a blue truck with skier .sking on snowy moutains was the decal on this ones back window. Decals were sure big on trucks in the early 80s. Anyone remember this case? I don't remember if it was on unsolved mysteries or not.


P.S. Sorry if i enterupted the topic. I just recalled that both cases had trucks with decals on them.

Yep I remember the decals! My grandpa had one on his truck(horses) lol.
But what I found strange was Angela was describing him, his car and his actions. (the way the actress protrayed it) it seemed like she knew something was wrong with the situation.

[JenniferS.]

Originally Posted by amandab1234

Yep I remember the decals! My grandpa had one on his truck(horses) lol.
But what I found strange was Angela was describing him, his car and his actions. (the way the actress protrayed it) it seemed like she knew something was wrong with the situation.

The man probably was acting strange. Oviously she did not know him. Speaking of decals, did the cops ever think of it being taken off? Surely there is away to have one removed if you get tried of it. Perhaps they should look up people who own that type of truk with out the decal as well?