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Hollow · 06-28-2005, 12:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I am so sick and tired of people getting bashed because they don't agree with homosexuality. Immediately, they are labeled "gay bashers." Truth be told, in my opinion, homosexuality is wrong. If it wasn't, then both males and females would be able to concieve children. I don't condemn the sinner, I condemn the sin. While a Christian cannot judge another whether they are going to Heaven or Hell, they are allowed to point out the sin. God gave us all free will. Homosexuality is free will. For those that argue that it is not, to me are saying they were born that way and can't control themselves. That also tells me that deep down they don't want to be gay, they just can't control their feelings. I could be wrong on that, but as a Christian, I know homosexuality is a sin. For those who immediately show anger when someone disagrees with them is making excuses why homosexuality is right. It is a sin, but despite that God still loves you. He punishes no one.

I've learned not to get aggravated by people simply thinking that homosexual behavior is wrong (just as long as they accept homosexuals), but if you think that being attracted to someone of the opposite sex is a choice, you're wrong. being attracted to other people, whether you're straight or gay, is natural. you can't force yourself to like or not like anyone. there have been MANY suicides by gay people ashamed of their sexuality; if they could change, they would. i'm straight, but i've had gay friends and every gay person i've met has said they didn't choose to be that way.

not trying to argue, just making that clear.

Brian Damage · 06-28-2005, 12:56 AM

I'm no doctor and I said I could be wrong on the subject. Of course we are all sinners. Nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't call out the sin. Religion comes out in these topics because for a Christian, homosexuality is taught to us as being wrong. As for hijacking this thread, I didn't start the topic, nor did start the sub discussions after that. When it has to do with God, alot of people would rather they shut up and not hear another perspective on things.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I'm no doctor and I said I could be wrong on the subject. Of course we are all sinners. Nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't call out the sin. Religion comes out in these topics because for a Christian, homosexuality is taught to us as being wrong. As for hijacking this thread, I didn't start the topic, nor did start the sub discussions after that. When it has to do with God, alot of people would rather they shut up and not hear another perspective on things.

Sorry - I should have made that clear - I didn't mean that you had hijacked the thread - I know it started long before your post - its just it always does get hijacked to a totally different discussion that what was originally intended every time - and usually by the same one or two people - not you tho.

I just don't see the Christians going into threads about other topics which are also considered sins - the gays seem to be centred out more.

Brian Damage · 06-28-2005, 01:14 AM

I apologize for the misunderstanding on my side and I also apologize for speaking so candidly about homosexuality. I'm not perfect and I am not without sin, I just feel christians are taking a beating on these threads just as bad as the gays.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 01:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I apologize for the misunderstanding on my side and I also apologize for speaking so candidly about homosexuality. I'm not perfect and I am not without sin, I just feel christians are taking a beating on these threads just as bad as the gays.

How 'bout a totally separate forum where we can go nuts on each other there with those big "nerf" type bats! We've just got to all promise not to bring it in to other threads after that!

Seriously - we do only end up bashing both groups before we're all through and seem to get nowhere.

You're cool Bri - I'll always like you.

Brian Damage · 06-28-2005, 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TripperFan

You're cool Bri - I'll always like you.

back at ya!

ABlairican Pie · 06-28-2005, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian Damage

I apologize for the misunderstanding on my side and I also apologize for speaking so candidly about homosexuality. I'm not perfect and I am not without sin, I just feel christians are taking a beating on these threads just as bad as the gays.

I am a Christian who accepts gays. I don't feel like I'm taking a beating here.

Dean Winchester · 06-28-2005, 03:23 AM

well, about the channel alone: I think people get so tightly wound up thinking if something is gay-oriented, it's going to be filthy.

Remember the people who were all freaking out over "Tickled Pink" on TV Land? being all "TV Land has gotten dirty and immoral", and then the special really was nothing more than a few token gay and lesbian celebrities (and the straight people on the shows) talking about how much they love watching The Golden Girls, Bewitched, Jeannie, Dynasty and Wonder Woman, if this was the most offensive thing even on television that day, then I would consider TV to be much better than it is. But however, some people are so opposed to the idea of homosexuality that seeing a gay man talking about how much he loved Bewitched is more offensive than all the sex and violence shows that pollute the airwaves. I'm not British but I think that's rubbish!!

And yes, I do agree that Queer As Folk is way too vulgar, but I am surprised if somebody is offended by Will And Grace. W&G is basically a less funny carbon copy of Seinfeld except where the male characters are gay, nothign more, nothing less. No politics or religious discussions, just four self-involved New Yorkers, two of which just happen to be gay. I can't see how anyone can find the show "offensive" because it's nothing more than a Seinfeld clone (however, Seinfeld was funny, W&G relies on guest stars to draw attention).

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 09:13 AM

I know what you mean John, I've tried from the beginning to get into Will and Grace, and I do like it, but it's not one that I "run" to watch. I'll watch it if nothing else is on. And if anything, it's more the Karen character that puts me off. I know she's supposed to be irritating, and she IS!

I've never seen Queer as Folk - just never got around to it. I did enjoy Queer Eye for the Straight Guy in its first season, but can't say I've watched it this year - just other stuff on, and it does get to the point where you've seen one of those shows, you've seen them all.

I'm sure I'll pop in and give a few shows a try just to see what they're putting on. Just nice that there's now a channel available for basically everyone!

(And the best part, if you don't like it, you can always pick up the remote and change the channel).

Brian Damage · 06-28-2005, 10:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Captain ABlairica

I am a Christian who accepts gays. I don't feel like I'm taking a beating here.

If you are a christian that doesn't accept the lifestyle, you are.

Bobby F. · 06-28-2005, 11:22 AM

Why is it that there has to be an all gay and lesbian channel? Why does there have to be an all black channel,all mexican channel, all martian channel? I understand having channels that reach to s certain interest like sports, action, love stories. But why does it have to be broken down into race and lifestyles? There is enough stress when it comes to these subjects as it is. As much talk as there is about trying to bring people together it always seems like it being split more apart.

TripperFan · 06-28-2005, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Bobby F.

Why is it that there has to be an all gay and lesbian channel? Why does there have to be an all black channel,all mexican channel, all martian channel? I understand having channels that reach to s certain interest like sports, action, love stories. But why does it have to be broken down into race and lifestyles? There is enough stress when it comes to these subjects as it is. As much talk as there is about trying to bring people together it always seems like it being split more apart.

I know what you mean - as a matter of fact, they were debating just that topic on a local morning show yesterday. Canada is VERY multicultural - rather than immigrants expected to conform to our culture, our government encourages the diversity in each group. We have tons of channels and radio stations here that cater to minority groups. At first there was resistance, but now its just accepted and celebrated even. We hold a "Caravan" each summer in Toronto where you can go around to different restaurants and clubs to sample foods, music and dance from different cultures.
In the long run, I think its brought us closer together. Now that we know where some of their traditions come from, we're not as apt to be discriminatory or bigoted about it.
The channels give them a place to go where they know they'll see something to do with their culture and heritage. Its a place for the rest of us to go to discover it. If we don't want to see it, then we just don't go to that channel. I think more people would be upset if the channels were blended really.
(and I hope all that made sense since I'm rushing and not double-checking my grammar - on my way out the door to an interview.....)

JT · 06-28-2005, 12:53 PM

I'm just so sick and tired of people who are NOT me, telling ME how I feel and how I am what I am.

Being attracting to someone of your sex is NOT the same as being attracted to a morning cup of coffee at 9 AM! Why can't people just accept the living testimonies of REAL people and stop refusing to believe them over ink on pages in a book? Do we know who even wrote the bible? As far as we know, someone in the year 3463 BC could have been a complete prude who wanted the future generations to believe exactly what he or she believed so they created this book to scare people into doing everything THEY wanted them to do it.

I'm sorry, but I'll make my own decisions. I don't need some book to tell me what to do and what not to do. God'll decide what to do with me when I die, I suppose, and if I burn in hell, I don't care. I'd rather burn with my freedom than live with outrageous restraints.

Munsters#1 · 06-28-2005, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JT

I'm just so sick and tired of people who are NOT me, telling ME how I feel and how I am what I am.

Being attracting to someone of your sex is NOT the same as being attracted to a morning cup of coffee at 9 AM! Why can't people just accept the living testimonies of REAL people and stop refusing to believe them over ink on pages in a book? Do we know who even wrote the bible? As far as we know, someone in the year 3463 BC could have been a complete prude who wanted the future generations to believe exactly what he or she believed so they created this book to scare people into doing everything THEY wanted them to do it.

I'm sorry, but I'll make my own decisions. I don't need some book to tell me what to do and what not to do. God'll decide what to do with me when I die, I suppose, and if I burn in hell, I don't care. I'd rather burn with my freedom than live with outrageous restraints.

AMEN!!!

Chocoholic · 06-28-2005, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by bandito

God is real. If more people followed His word there would be less crime and ignorance in this world.

I totally agree. Jesus was for love, compassion, acceptance, and forgiveness, not hatred and intolerance. Certain people need to read the Bible a little more carefully. It says right in the Gospel of Matthew, "Do not judge, lest you be judged."

Personally, I think what two consenting adults do in the bedroom is none of my business. There are a lot worse things in this world than a person who loves an adult of the same gender.

06-28-2005, 12:53 PM	#73
JT Member Forum Veteran Join Date: Apr 29, 2001 Location: USA Posts: 7,219	I'm just so sick and tired of people who are NOT me, telling ME how I feel and how I am what I am. Being attracting to someone of your sex is NOT the same as being attracted to a morning cup of coffee at 9 AM! Why can't people just accept the living testimonies of REAL people and stop refusing to believe them over ink on pages in a book? Do we know who even wrote the bible? As far as we know, someone in the year 3463 BC could have been a complete prude who wanted the future generations to believe exactly what he or she believed so they created this book to scare people into doing everything THEY wanted them to do it. I'm sorry, but I'll make my own decisions. I don't need some book to tell me what to do and what not to do. God'll decide what to do with me when I die, I suppose, and if I burn in hell, I don't care. I'd rather burn with my freedom than live with outrageous restraints.
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06-28-2005, 12:56 AM	#62
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,108	I'm no doctor and I said I could be wrong on the subject. Of course we are all sinners. Nobody is perfect, but that doesn't mean we can't call out the sin. Religion comes out in these topics because for a Christian, homosexuality is taught to us as being wrong. As for hijacking this thread, I didn't start the topic, nor did start the sub discussions after that. When it has to do with God, alot of people would rather they shut up and not hear another perspective on things.

06-28-2005, 01:14 AM	#64
Brian Damage I'm Rich Bitch Forum Icon Join Date: Feb 03, 2002 Location: What Ain't No Country I Ever Heard Of...They Speak English in What? Posts: 63,108	I apologize for the misunderstanding on my side and I also apologize for speaking so candidly about homosexuality. I'm not perfect and I am not without sin, I just feel christians are taking a beating on these threads just as bad as the gays.

06-28-2005, 03:23 AM	#68
Dean Winchester Member Forum Fanatic Join Date: Sep 28, 2003 Location: Louisville KY Posts: 14,803	well, about the channel alone: I think people get so tightly wound up thinking if something is gay-oriented, it's going to be filthy. Remember the people who were all freaking out over "Tickled Pink" on TV Land? being all "TV Land has gotten dirty and immoral", and then the special really was nothing more than a few token gay and lesbian celebrities (and the straight people on the shows) talking about how much they love watching The Golden Girls, Bewitched, Jeannie, Dynasty and Wonder Woman, if this was the most offensive thing even on television that day, then I would consider TV to be much better than it is. But however, some people are so opposed to the idea of homosexuality that seeing a gay man talking about how much he loved Bewitched is more offensive than all the sex and violence shows that pollute the airwaves. I'm not British but I think that's rubbish!! And yes, I do agree that Queer As Folk is way too vulgar, but I am surprised if somebody is offended by Will And Grace. W&G is basically a less funny carbon copy of Seinfeld except where the male characters are gay, nothign more, nothing less. No politics or religious discussions, just four self-involved New Yorkers, two of which just happen to be gay. I can't see how anyone can find the show "offensive" because it's nothing more than a Seinfeld clone (however, Seinfeld was funny, W&G relies on guest stars to draw attention).

06-28-2005, 09:13 AM	#69
TripperFan In God's Arms Now Forum Star Join Date: Sep 14, 2003 Location: Heartbreak Ridge Posts: 12,087	I know what you mean John, I've tried from the beginning to get into Will and Grace, and I do like it, but it's not one that I "run" to watch. I'll watch it if nothing else is on. And if anything, it's more the Karen character that puts me off. I know she's supposed to be irritating, and she IS! I've never seen Queer as Folk - just never got around to it. I did enjoy Queer Eye for the Straight Guy in its first season, but can't say I've watched it this year - just other stuff on, and it does get to the point where you've seen one of those shows, you've seen them all. I'm sure I'll pop in and give a few shows a try just to see what they're putting on. Just nice that there's now a channel available for basically everyone! (And the best part, if you don't like it, you can always pick up the remote and change the channel).

06-28-2005, 11:22 AM	#71
Bobby F. Member Forum 3000 Club Member Join Date: Nov 30, 2004 Posts: 3,818	Why is it that there has to be an all gay and lesbian channel? Why does there have to be an all black channel,all mexican channel, all martian channel? I understand having channels that reach to s certain interest like sports, action, love stories. But why does it have to be broken down into race and lifestyles? There is enough stress when it comes to these subjects as it is. As much talk as there is about trying to bring people together it always seems like it being split more apart.