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Pavan · 05-30-2005, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by db108108

There are also things were don't know about the cancellation, and I would bet that a big part of it hinged on cast salaries. James Garner has to be earning big bucks, and I'm sure David Spade and Katey Segal were not that far behind. LTP doesn't have anybody like that in their cast.

At any rate, I could care less. I found the show to be too teen centric and wouldn't have watched it anyway.

I don't think salary was an issue. John Ritter was making less than a 100K per episode (30K I think) when he was on and certainly Garner and Spade wouldn't get even that. That tells you a lot about Ritter, he wasn't after money.

Pavan · 05-31-2005, 12:10 PM

Final numbers for the season (Sept 20 - May 25):

-Households:
CBS: 8.4/14 (no change), ABC: 6.5/11 (+10), NBC: 6.5/11 (-11), Fox: 6.1/10 (no change), UPN: 2.3/ 4 (no change), WB: 2.2/ 4 (- 8)

-Total Viewers:
CBS: 12.92 million (- 1), ABC: 10.05 (+11), Fox: 10.04 (+ 3), NBC: 9.78 (-12), UPN: 3.35 (- 1), WB: 3.35 (- 8)

-Adults 18-49:
Fox: 4.1/11 (no change), CBS: 4.0/11 (+ 3), ABC: 3.7/10 (+16), NBC: 3.5/ 9 (-17), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 4 (- 7)

-Adults 18-34:
Fox: 3.8/12 (- 5), ABC: 3.0/ 9 (+15), CBS: 2.9/ 9 (+ 7), NBC: 2.9/ 9 (-19), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change)

-Adults 25-54:
CBS: 4.9/12 (no change), ABC: 4.3/10 (+13), Fox: 4.3/10 (+ 2), NBC: 4.2/10 (-12), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 3 (- 7)

NBC is trash! And FOX is only even close in total viewers because of the Super Bowl. That is the only reason they won in adults 18-49 too, or CBS would have slightly won that.

Brent88 · 05-31-2005, 12:15 PM

ABC is officially back from the dead and NBC is dying.

FOX is nothing without Idol(they don't have the Super Bowl next year)

db108108 · 05-31-2005, 07:43 PM

NBC will be second next year in adults and viewers, bumping ABC or Fox to third and fourth. Why? The Olympics.

Actually, if you count only regular programming from this season, NBC was number 2, Fox boosted by the Super Bowl and baseball, and ABC by college football/NFL playoffs. Next season is going to be pretty wild, especially if ABC has more series that click, NBC has the Olympics, and CBS is, well, CBS. I really see ABC and NBC in a very tight race for second.

I'm still going with Fox taking the crown in adults 18-49. Without the Superbowl, Fox averaged a 3.85 rating. If they can show 20% gains in the fall (which is quite possible considering the dumpster they were in last fall), Fox could very well take it again. CBS is not likely to go anywhere as it's rebuilding somewhat (it's taking a big leap on Fridays that could backfire and Mondays will take a slight hit sans ELR). I see ABC with modest gains in the 5 to 10% range (it does have the Superbowl) Fox flat or up slightly, CBS flat or down slightly and NBC up 5-15% thanks to the Olympics, the UPN up 5-10% (moving WWE Smackdown to Fridays is genious and the industry sees Everybody Hates Chris actually beating Joey in adults. There was even a rumour that CBS would swipe it if it does really well) and the WB flat or down.

The wildcard is the Olympics. If they do really well, NBC is back in the game. If they don't, NBC is still up overall. The other networks are going to take a hit in February because they will be airing mostly repeats in what is traditionally the highest rated month of the year. So it's unpredictable, really.

Network TV in general is going to have a very good year next season.

Mr. Television · 05-31-2005, 07:49 PM

Except for The Olympics NBC doesn't have much. Their new series don't look to good and their old series are getting older. I only watch 4 shows on NBC and 2 of them are Law And Order series.

Dean Winchester · 05-31-2005, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pavanbadal

I don't think salary was an issue. John Ritter was making less than a 100K per episode (30K I think) when he was on and certainly Garner and Spade wouldn't get even that. That tells you a lot about Ritter, he wasn't after money.

Ritter was only making 30k an episode?!!??!? That's a shame, 30k was standard in 1982, but 2002? That's kinda sad a TV legend like him was only making 30k when the Friends were making 1 million an episode, and Kelsey Grammar and Ray Romano were making even more than that. When I think 30,000 for a tv show, I picture a supporting character on a minor show, not someone who was on a classic like Three's Company and also had some success on the big screen.

Brent88 · 05-31-2005, 08:22 PM

That's amazing about Ritter... that's MUCH MUCH lower than I was expecting. It was 2002 afterall.

Brent88 · 05-31-2005, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by db108108

The wildcard is the Olympics. If they do really well, NBC is back in the game. If they don't, NBC is still up overall. The other networks are going to take a hit in February because they will be airing mostly repeats in what is traditionally the highest rated month of the year. So it's unpredictable, really.

The Olympics always do well don't they? Certainly if the other networks air repeats they will rule.

I wonder if ABC will run their "hits" against the Olympics? Lost and DH plus any others they have next season.

db108108 · 05-31-2005, 08:32 PM

Nobody will run any shows against the Olympics, it just doesn't make sense. "DH" might attract 15-20 million viewers, but the continuity will be lost for the other 10-15 million who will be watching the show next season, and could impact ratings down the road. It also makes sense for the network to save those shows for the other months when ABC will be able to make big bucks from advertizing, rather than below average returns opposite the Olympics, and then air repeats later on.

The Olympics are touch and go. They will average 25 million viewers at least, like the games in SLC in 2002, but the 1994 Olympics in Lillehamer averaged more than 50 million (of course, the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan drama was a big part of that). Telecasts from the 1994 Olympics actually rank in the top 50 broadcasts of all time, higher than almost all of the Superbowls.

On NBC, they can't do a whole lot worse than they're already doing, the iffy slots at Mondays at 8pm, Tuesdays were a disaster this season and anything will be an improvement, Wednesday 8-10pm (which was not that great this season), Thursday 8-9pm (which probably went as low as it will in the spring of this season). Friday is the huge wild card, if it's a disaster a la Miss Match/Dateline/Boomtown from 2003/2004, NBC really has nothing to come back with. That season it stuck in Third Watch and did okay. It literally has nothing to fall back on next season. That's why it was so stupid to cancel Trial By Jury.

Looks like Season 8 will be the end for Will & Grace. Megan Mullally's talk show is a 95% go. I guess they could go on, but Will & Grace without Karen would be one sad, sad show.
http://www.nbcumv.com/release_detail...allysigns.html

Brent88 · 05-31-2005, 08:35 PM

Yeah... I really don't think NBC can get much worse. Cancelling TBJ was pretty dumb though(sure... it was getting 2nd behind CBS, but what's not to say that this new show won't be in 3RD behind CBS AND ABC?)

dawsongirl · 05-31-2005, 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by BuffySlayer79

Ritter was only making 30k an episode?!!??!? That's a shame, 30k was standard in 1982, but 2002? That's kinda sad a TV legend like him was only making 30k when the Friends were making 1 million an episode, and Kelsey Grammar and Ray Romano were making even more than that. When I think 30,000 for a tv show, I picture a supporting character on a minor show, not someone who was on a classic like Three's Company and also had some success on the big screen.

and yet in hindsight, still much, much, much more than 99.9% of actors are worth. More in one week than many people make in one year is ridiculous.

db108108 · 05-31-2005, 09:30 PM

We must remember as well that Ritter wasn't exactely a hot property in the decade before 8 Simple Rules premiered. That show brought him back to a lot of people's
consciousnesses, but where he only did the first season, he was unfortunately unable to capitalize on that.

Pavan · 05-31-2005, 11:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by db108108

We must remember as well that Ritter wasn't exactely a hot property in the decade before 8 Simple Rules premiered. That show brought him back to a lot of people's
consciousnesses, but where he only did the first season, he was unfortunately unable to capitalize on that.

Disagree. John was guest starring on numerous shows in the 90s and was critically acclaimed in many movies (Sling Blade, Panic). John never had a period where he was never working. He was highly sought after.

Mr. Television · 06-01-2005, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by pavanbadal

Disagree. John was guest starring on numerous shows in the 90s and was critically acclaimed in many movies (Sling Blade, Panic). John never had a period where he was never working. He was highly sought after.

Yea it wasn't like when Redd Foxx attempted his comeback with The Royal Family.

05-31-2005, 12:15 PM	#63
Brent88 Member Forum Star Join Date: Aug 01, 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,174	ABC is officially back from the dead and NBC is dying. FOX is nothing without Idol(they don't have the Super Bowl next year)
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05-31-2005, 07:49 PM	#65
Mr. Television 23 Years at Sitcoms Online Forum Icon Join Date: Jun 06, 2003 Location: Somewhere you're Not Posts: 62,132	Except for The Olympics NBC doesn't have much. Their new series don't look to good and their old series are getting older. I only watch 4 shows on NBC and 2 of them are Law And Order series.
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05-31-2005, 12:10 PM	#62
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,821	Final numbers for the season (Sept 20 - May 25): -Households: CBS: 8.4/14 (no change), ABC: 6.5/11 (+10), NBC: 6.5/11 (-11), Fox: 6.1/10 (no change), UPN: 2.3/ 4 (no change), WB: 2.2/ 4 (- 8) -Total Viewers: CBS: 12.92 million (- 1), ABC: 10.05 (+11), Fox: 10.04 (+ 3), NBC: 9.78 (-12), UPN: 3.35 (- 1), WB: 3.35 (- 8) -Adults 18-49: Fox: 4.1/11 (no change), CBS: 4.0/11 (+ 3), ABC: 3.7/10 (+16), NBC: 3.5/ 9 (-17), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 4 (- 7) -Adults 18-34: Fox: 3.8/12 (- 5), ABC: 3.0/ 9 (+15), CBS: 2.9/ 9 (+ 7), NBC: 2.9/ 9 (-19), WB: 1.5/ 4 (- 6), UPN: 1.4/ 4 (no change) -Adults 25-54: CBS: 4.9/12 (no change), ABC: 4.3/10 (+13), Fox: 4.3/10 (+ 2), NBC: 4.2/10 (-12), UPN: 1.4/ 3 (no change), WB: 1.4/ 3 (- 7) NBC is trash! And FOX is only even close in total viewers because of the Super Bowl. That is the only reason they won in adults 18-49 too, or CBS would have slightly won that.

05-31-2005, 07:43 PM	#64
db108108 Teacher (for now) Senior Member Join Date: Mar 20, 2003 Location: 2 hours north of Detroit, 2 hours south of Toronto Posts: 1,023	NBC will be second next year in adults and viewers, bumping ABC or Fox to third and fourth. Why? The Olympics. Actually, if you count only regular programming from this season, NBC was number 2, Fox boosted by the Super Bowl and baseball, and ABC by college football/NFL playoffs. Next season is going to be pretty wild, especially if ABC has more series that click, NBC has the Olympics, and CBS is, well, CBS. I really see ABC and NBC in a very tight race for second. I'm still going with Fox taking the crown in adults 18-49. Without the Superbowl, Fox averaged a 3.85 rating. If they can show 20% gains in the fall (which is quite possible considering the dumpster they were in last fall), Fox could very well take it again. CBS is not likely to go anywhere as it's rebuilding somewhat (it's taking a big leap on Fridays that could backfire and Mondays will take a slight hit sans ELR). I see ABC with modest gains in the 5 to 10% range (it does have the Superbowl) Fox flat or up slightly, CBS flat or down slightly and NBC up 5-15% thanks to the Olympics, the UPN up 5-10% (moving WWE Smackdown to Fridays is genious and the industry sees Everybody Hates Chris actually beating Joey in adults. There was even a rumour that CBS would swipe it if it does really well) and the WB flat or down. The wildcard is the Olympics. If they do really well, NBC is back in the game. If they don't, NBC is still up overall. The other networks are going to take a hit in February because they will be airing mostly repeats in what is traditionally the highest rated month of the year. So it's unpredictable, really. Network TV in general is going to have a very good year next season.

05-31-2005, 08:22 PM	#67
Brent88 Member Forum Star Join Date: Aug 01, 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,174	That's amazing about Ritter... that's MUCH MUCH lower than I was expecting. It was 2002 afterall.

05-31-2005, 08:32 PM	#69
db108108 Teacher (for now) Senior Member Join Date: Mar 20, 2003 Location: 2 hours north of Detroit, 2 hours south of Toronto Posts: 1,023	Nobody will run any shows against the Olympics, it just doesn't make sense. "DH" might attract 15-20 million viewers, but the continuity will be lost for the other 10-15 million who will be watching the show next season, and could impact ratings down the road. It also makes sense for the network to save those shows for the other months when ABC will be able to make big bucks from advertizing, rather than below average returns opposite the Olympics, and then air repeats later on. The Olympics are touch and go. They will average 25 million viewers at least, like the games in SLC in 2002, but the 1994 Olympics in Lillehamer averaged more than 50 million (of course, the Tonya Harding/Nancy Kerrigan drama was a big part of that). Telecasts from the 1994 Olympics actually rank in the top 50 broadcasts of all time, higher than almost all of the Superbowls. On NBC, they can't do a whole lot worse than they're already doing, the iffy slots at Mondays at 8pm, Tuesdays were a disaster this season and anything will be an improvement, Wednesday 8-10pm (which was not that great this season), Thursday 8-9pm (which probably went as low as it will in the spring of this season). Friday is the huge wild card, if it's a disaster a la Miss Match/Dateline/Boomtown from 2003/2004, NBC really has nothing to come back with. That season it stuck in Third Watch and did okay. It literally has nothing to fall back on next season. That's why it was so stupid to cancel Trial By Jury. Looks like Season 8 will be the end for Will & Grace. Megan Mullally's talk show is a 95% go. I guess they could go on, but Will & Grace without Karen would be one sad, sad show. http://www.nbcumv.com/release_detail...allysigns.html

05-31-2005, 08:35 PM	#70
Brent88 Member Forum Star Join Date: Aug 01, 2003 Location: Alabama Posts: 16,174	Yeah... I really don't think NBC can get much worse. Cancelling TBJ was pretty dumb though(sure... it was getting 2nd behind CBS, but what's not to say that this new show won't be in 3RD behind CBS AND ABC?)

05-31-2005, 09:30 PM	#72
db108108 Teacher (for now) Senior Member Join Date: Mar 20, 2003 Location: 2 hours north of Detroit, 2 hours south of Toronto Posts: 1,023	We must remember as well that Ritter wasn't exactely a hot property in the decade before 8 Simple Rules premiered. That show brought him back to a lot of people's consciousnesses, but where he only did the first season, he was unfortunately unable to capitalize on that.