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tvcrazed · 12-23-2009, 01:25 PM

In all honesty if they care about ratings they will rethink Tuesday, because getting 1's in December againts reruns is one thing. Going up againts CBS orginals, NBC BIGGEST LOSER and IDOL and not even trying from 8-11p makes no sense. Hell those direct TV LOST specials would make more sense.

JulieSomoski · 12-23-2009, 01:32 PM

What a shame. Better Off Ted is actually a very good and funny show. I really just can't understand why it isnt doing better than it is. It failed to break 3 million viewers last night - that's beyond embarrassing for ABC and the show. Perhaps the January 1st airings will be able to pump some life into it? At this point though, I don't think anything can be done to save it. We'll just have to be content with our 26 episodes.

tvcrazed · 12-23-2009, 01:48 PM

it is a real shame because it's a great show. tonally it doesnt fit at all with the wed comnedies but it might be cool of them to just try one week with them. Although its probably too late now because IDOL start Jan 13th there and the wed shows are all originals that night except for 8p, so I would have suggested they try MIDDLE at 8p and BOT at 8:30 but they cant now.

Pavan · 12-23-2009, 02:33 PM

I don't see a problem having Scrubs just for one week into LOST. Scrubs does at least OK in 18-49. A third airing of the same LOST in a week would do way worse. With the way they are scheduling Scrubs, this is what they'll do I think (having it extended by one more week with two episodes). Those DirecTV LOST specials are just repeats of the recap episodes ABC has aired from the start.

I would have never tried Ted on Wednesdays. It doesn't fit with any of those comedies well (well, maybe except Cougar Town). I thought Ted would do numbers the same as last year out of Scrubs, but guess not. ABC only has to worry about Jan. 12 and 19 I think. Jan. 5, there is no Idol, so Scrubs will do decently in 18-49. Jan. 26 will be the State of the Union, so that's a wash. What else can they do on Jan. 12 and 19? Might as well air Scrubs and Ted.

tvcrazed · 12-23-2009, 03:08 PM

Scrubs got a 1.3 last night and that was with no competition. Against FRESH CBS and NBC on Jan 5th they will get destroyed.
Last year's 3rd airing of LOST did better than a 1.3.

But you're right, one week of SCRUBS in Feb is not a big deal. I am more concerned for Jan.

With all due respect, Pavan, you said what else can they do - they are network programmers, they can come up with all sorts of scenarios even ones that will likely land them in 4th but maybe with a little less anemic ratings and they can also rerun LOST eps which in addition to makking money for them will help promote the retun of LOST. They came up with CONVEYER BELT rather quickly, there are other options. They could run SHARK TANK at 10p which will do better then FORGOTTEN. I love BOT and want the show to run its remaining episodes but the schedule they have set up from 8-11p for Tuesdays, in Jan, like I said, will brings them CW ratings.

You could have said what could NBC have done this past week. they put together THE SING OFF which did decently for them. We all put down NBC and their failings but honestly they will never just schedule 3 hours of TV that will gets 1's, which is what ABC is doing in Jan. Think about it, on their low rated Mon and Wed nights at least one show gets a 2.

I dont want to keep bringing up the same thing, but ending DWTS in Nov and basically knowing they will come in last for the month of Dec every year makes no sense to me. The numbers they got last week are so low (1.4) vs. every other net and its not just Football that helped the other nets including NBC. That should not be acceptable to them. Every other net finds a way not to have that happen. ABC is really smart and a great network. That should be unacceptable to them and it's not like it caught them off guard. We all knew it was gonna happen.

Pavan · 12-23-2009, 03:21 PM

Scrubs won't do a 1.3 in January. Earlier this month it did a 2.0, 2.3, and 1.8. I'd expect a 1.8 or so on January 5 when TV viewing goes higher than a holiday infected Dec. 22. If Scrubs can do a 1.8 on Jan. 5, ABC will take it. Better off Ted is the problem in the ratings, which is too bad. ABC only has to worry about Jan. 12 and 19. Maybe they will do something about it. Maybe Primetime: What Would You Do. I would keep the line-up of Scrubs, Ted and the forgotten intact on Jan. 5. But...Jan. 12 and 19 I'm not so sure. WWYD at 8, the forgotten at 9, and Scrubs/Ted at 10 would be better scheduling. WWYD can do decent vs. Idol. Or like you said, maybe the best of season five of LOST from 8-10pm on Jan. 12 and 19. Keep Scrubs/Ted at 10 to finish their episode orders. I wish they would switch the forgotten and Shark Tank as well, but I think they are trying to be patient with the forgotten.

They shot that Conveyor Belt pilot in July. So it isn't anything new. It's just that they never announced it because they haven't picked it up as a series. If it does well on Jan. 4, I'm sure they'll pick it up as a series for summer maybe.

DWTS can't go into December. I'd love for that to happen, but think about the celebs. What happens that week of Thanksgiving? No one practices at all that week? They all have to be with their families. And plus then the fall version would be way longer than spring. Not fair. I don't mind DWTS ending in late November. I just wish they would schedule an episode or two of Grey's in December and another week of the comedies (instead of airing them on Thanksgiving Eve).

They can easily solve the December problem next year. Air holiday specials only on Mondays from 8-10pm. Have another comedy night on Tuesdays from 9-10pm, lead by Romantically Challenged. Have DWTS Results at 8, and then when only 6 or less couples remain they can launch a new comedy at 8:30pm (late October-early Nov). Then by December they can have comedies from 8-10 on Tuesdays with an encore of the highest rated one at 8pm leading into new episodes from 8:30-10. I hope V airs at 10pm.

tvcrazed · 12-23-2009, 03:40 PM

You're right a 1.8 would be acceptable, although I am not nearly as optimistic as you are that they will get that. The 2.3 it got was a result of the 4.1 PREP and LANDING lead in gave them.

I am aware that Convey Belt was a pilot not used yet. My point was an off the cuff answer to your question about what could they do. Just like we didnt know about Converyer there might be other limited/last minute options that would get people talking.

I was for them being pateint with FORGOTTEN but it was clear from the last few airings that its just not gonna happen and if they have 2 other strong hours on the night and then are using 10p to be patient, okay. But when the whole night is not working, you have to try something. and yeah I dont get sacrificing ST to Fridays. (It woudl honestly make more sense to put FORGOTTEN there). That show never had a lead in like FORGOTTEN and there is far more potential because without a lead in it gets 1.9 and there is nothing like ST on TV, same cant be said for FORGOTTEN. ABC doesnt even own FORGOTTEN. If they tried ST even once after DWTS or even just at 10p with less competition, and it didnt do better, id say yeah I get it, but they never have. AT this point FORGOTTEN is getting EASTWICK numbers and EASTWICK at least has some passionate fans. All I hear re: Forgotten is apathy or silence.

I disagree re: DWTS. each season could and should be 12 weeks (and by the way last Spring was 11, this was 10). Any star signing up for the show greatly wants to be there. If they know firsthand that Thanksweek they have to sacrifice a little, for what it does for their career, i am sure theyd still get celebs to signup. Maybe their families could join them in LA for the week. at that point it would only affect 4 of them. Frankly it makes more sense to use a reality show than schedule an extra ep of scripted TV (which is far more expensive and valuable to them). Yeah if they were making 30 GREYS a year, I agree, but since they are only making 24 and 10 of them aired already, they really cant schedule any more of those.

Pavan · 12-23-2009, 05:00 PM

ABC has now scheduled a repeat of Better off Ted on Jan. 1 at 9:30pm (repeat of season premiere with Taye Diggs) instead of a new episode. It will still be new at 8:30pm on that night. This is getting confusing to even me now...

SCRUBS
Tues at 9pm
Dec. 1 #1 and #2
Dec. 8 #3
Dec. 15 #4
Dec. 22 #5
Dec. 29 #1 (R)
Jan. 1 #6 (special night) -- Friday
Jan. 5 #7 (8pm) and #8 (9pm)
Jan. 12 #2 (R, 8pm) and #9 (9pm)
Jan. 19 #6 (R, 8pm) and #10 (9pm)
Jan. 26 #11 (8pm)
Jan. 27 #12 (8pm, special night) -- Wednesday
Feb. 3 #13 (8pm, special night) -- Wednesday

BETTER OFF TED
Tues at 9:30pm
Dec. 8 #1
Dec. 15 #2
Dec. 22 #3
Dec. 29 #4
Jan. 1 #5 (special night and time, 8:30pm) and #1 (R, special night 9:30pm) -- Friday
Jan. 5 #6 (8:30pm) and #7 (9:30pm)
Jan. 12 #8 (8:30pm) and #9 (9:30pm)
Jan. 19 #2 (R, 8:30pm) and #10 (9:30pm)
Jan. 26 #11 (8:30pm)
TBD #12 and #13

tvcrazed · 12-23-2009, 08:23 PM

By the way, in case my above comments dont make it abundantly clear, I love ABC and think they are the most creative, most risk taking net on broadcast tv. I just want them to kick ass and do the best they can do ratings wise, which is why i sometimes questions scheduling, but I think they rock and am always rooting for their much deserved success!

tvcrazed · 12-24-2009, 01:24 PM

Since a MODERN FAMILY rerun got a 1.9 last night, instead of running a SCRUBS rerun Tuesday night maybe ABC can run a MF rerun into BOT or run a MIDDLE or CT rerun at 9:30 and move that new BOT to Friday in place of the rerun.

Pavan · 12-24-2009, 01:41 PM

ABC comedies repeated very well last night. I watched them all again and they have much better rewatchability than the big ABC drama guns like Grey's, LOST or Desperate. They need another comedy night next fall, on Tuesdays. Romantically Challenged can lead the pack for Tuesdays.

Scoobiedoo30 · 12-24-2009, 02:00 PM

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JulieSomoski · 12-24-2009, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Pavan

ABC comedies repeated very well last night. I watched them all again and they have much better rewatchability than the big ABC drama guns like Grey's, LOST or Desperate. They need another comedy night next fall, on Tuesdays. Romantically Challenged can lead the pack for Tuesdays.

Pavan, is RC single or multi-cam? It would definitely work well with Cougar Town, but I'd like to see ABC get one night of multi-cams, maybe Tuesday like you said, and another night of single-cams, which they already have in Wednesdays. At this point, I think Modern Family and The Middle are shoe-ins for next season. The Middle is definitely growing, and has good repeat value. Cougar Town is on a decline, but I can't imagine ABC giving up on it just yet. I wonder if CBS gives up Old Christine, ABC will try to go for it yet again, lol.

Pavan · 12-24-2009, 05:13 PM

Romantically Challenged is multicamera and stars Alyssa Milano and the very funny physical comedian Kyle Bornheimer, who was excellent last season on Worst Week. It has the Friends/How I Met Your Mother style vibe to it. It starts taping Jan. 28. I think unless it bombs terribly like Hank, which I doubt, it will get a second season and ABC can use that for another night, like Tuesdays. They need to fix the Tuesday problem from Dec-March, and having a comedy night will do that. They can have Romantically Challenged be the centerpiece of that block with a new comedy following it at 9:30pm. Dancing Results airs in the 8pm hour and they can cut it to a half-hour by late October/early November and launch another comedy at 8:30pm. This way they can be safe with regular programs from Dec-March. They can either double pump the new comedy from 8-9pm next December or comedy encores at 8pm on Tuesdays. But that is next season. I think we'll see Romantically Challenged launch once Ugly Betty finishes its 22 episodes in late March/early April. Question is will ABC launch it at 8:30pm (no Idol) or 9:30pm (after MF) and have Cougar Town temporary move to 10pm?

Cougar Town was airing out of its timeslot last night, but it is doing fine. And the Kudrow appearance will likely do pretty big. I'm guessing best since premiere ratings. I think it is safe to say The Middle, Modern Family and Cougar Town have secured a second season.

JulieSomoski · 12-24-2009, 06:28 PM

ABC has a lot of comedies in development as well, don't they? For this season, their safest bet would be to leave Modern Family at 9pm. They already know it has a good sized audience, and will be back next season regardless of how well it does against Idol. But for the rest of the night, it's a tossup. Honestly, the best bet may be to just leave Cougar Town at 9:30, with Romantically Challenged going to 8pm. At least for this season. At 10pm will most likely be Happy Town once Betty ends, which I'm also looking forward to.

Next season, they can always do some shifting around. Cougar Town could go to Tuesdays with RC, but I'd prefer they build a night of multi-cam comedies around RC instead. The DWTS results shows should definitely be cut to a half hour. They do good ratings, but they need to sacrifice. It could air at 8pm, be more of a priority to viewers, and help launch a successful comedy block. Seriously speaking, if CBS does end up dropping Old Christine, ABC should grab it up. It already has a built-in audience and could also be used to jump-start the night.

12-23-2009, 01:32 PM	#692
JulieSomoski Roseanne Reboot - March 27! Forum Veteran Join Date: Nov 06, 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,558	What a shame. Better Off Ted is actually a very good and funny show. I really just can't understand why it isnt doing better than it is. It failed to break 3 million viewers last night - that's beyond embarrassing for ABC and the show. Perhaps the January 1st airings will be able to pump some life into it? At this point though, I don't think anything can be done to save it. We'll just have to be content with our 26 episodes.
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12-23-2009, 02:33 PM	#694
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,821	I don't see a problem having Scrubs just for one week into LOST. Scrubs does at least OK in 18-49. A third airing of the same LOST in a week would do way worse. With the way they are scheduling Scrubs, this is what they'll do I think (having it extended by one more week with two episodes). Those DirecTV LOST specials are just repeats of the recap episodes ABC has aired from the start. I would have never tried Ted on Wednesdays. It doesn't fit with any of those comedies well (well, maybe except Cougar Town). I thought Ted would do numbers the same as last year out of Scrubs, but guess not. ABC only has to worry about Jan. 12 and 19 I think. Jan. 5, there is no Idol, so Scrubs will do decently in 18-49. Jan. 26 will be the State of the Union, so that's a wash. What else can they do on Jan. 12 and 19? Might as well air Scrubs and Ted.
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12-24-2009, 01:24 PM	#700
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	Since a MODERN FAMILY rerun got a 1.9 last night, instead of running a SCRUBS rerun Tuesday night maybe ABC can run a MF rerun into BOT or run a MIDDLE or CT rerun at 9:30 and move that new BOT to Friday in place of the rerun.
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12-23-2009, 01:25 PM	#691
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	In all honesty if they care about ratings they will rethink Tuesday, because getting 1's in December againts reruns is one thing. Going up againts CBS orginals, NBC BIGGEST LOSER and IDOL and not even trying from 8-11p makes no sense. Hell those direct TV LOST specials would make more sense.

12-23-2009, 01:48 PM	#693
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	it is a real shame because it's a great show. tonally it doesnt fit at all with the wed comnedies but it might be cool of them to just try one week with them. Although its probably too late now because IDOL start Jan 13th there and the wed shows are all originals that night except for 8p, so I would have suggested they try MIDDLE at 8p and BOT at 8:30 but they cant now.

12-23-2009, 03:08 PM	#695
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	Scrubs got a 1.3 last night and that was with no competition. Against FRESH CBS and NBC on Jan 5th they will get destroyed. Last year's 3rd airing of LOST did better than a 1.3. But you're right, one week of SCRUBS in Feb is not a big deal. I am more concerned for Jan. With all due respect, Pavan, you said what else can they do - they are network programmers, they can come up with all sorts of scenarios even ones that will likely land them in 4th but maybe with a little less anemic ratings and they can also rerun LOST eps which in addition to makking money for them will help promote the retun of LOST. They came up with CONVEYER BELT rather quickly, there are other options. They could run SHARK TANK at 10p which will do better then FORGOTTEN. I love BOT and want the show to run its remaining episodes but the schedule they have set up from 8-11p for Tuesdays, in Jan, like I said, will brings them CW ratings. You could have said what could NBC have done this past week. they put together THE SING OFF which did decently for them. We all put down NBC and their failings but honestly they will never just schedule 3 hours of TV that will gets 1's, which is what ABC is doing in Jan. Think about it, on their low rated Mon and Wed nights at least one show gets a 2. I dont want to keep bringing up the same thing, but ending DWTS in Nov and basically knowing they will come in last for the month of Dec every year makes no sense to me. The numbers they got last week are so low (1.4) vs. every other net and its not just Football that helped the other nets including NBC. That should not be acceptable to them. Every other net finds a way not to have that happen. ABC is really smart and a great network. That should be unacceptable to them and it's not like it caught them off guard. We all knew it was gonna happen.

12-23-2009, 03:21 PM	#696
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,821	Scrubs won't do a 1.3 in January. Earlier this month it did a 2.0, 2.3, and 1.8. I'd expect a 1.8 or so on January 5 when TV viewing goes higher than a holiday infected Dec. 22. If Scrubs can do a 1.8 on Jan. 5, ABC will take it. Better off Ted is the problem in the ratings, which is too bad. ABC only has to worry about Jan. 12 and 19. Maybe they will do something about it. Maybe Primetime: What Would You Do. I would keep the line-up of Scrubs, Ted and the forgotten intact on Jan. 5. But...Jan. 12 and 19 I'm not so sure. WWYD at 8, the forgotten at 9, and Scrubs/Ted at 10 would be better scheduling. WWYD can do decent vs. Idol. Or like you said, maybe the best of season five of LOST from 8-10pm on Jan. 12 and 19. Keep Scrubs/Ted at 10 to finish their episode orders. I wish they would switch the forgotten and Shark Tank as well, but I think they are trying to be patient with the forgotten. They shot that Conveyor Belt pilot in July. So it isn't anything new. It's just that they never announced it because they haven't picked it up as a series. If it does well on Jan. 4, I'm sure they'll pick it up as a series for summer maybe. DWTS can't go into December. I'd love for that to happen, but think about the celebs. What happens that week of Thanksgiving? No one practices at all that week? They all have to be with their families. And plus then the fall version would be way longer than spring. Not fair. I don't mind DWTS ending in late November. I just wish they would schedule an episode or two of Grey's in December and another week of the comedies (instead of airing them on Thanksgiving Eve). They can easily solve the December problem next year. Air holiday specials only on Mondays from 8-10pm. Have another comedy night on Tuesdays from 9-10pm, lead by Romantically Challenged. Have DWTS Results at 8, and then when only 6 or less couples remain they can launch a new comedy at 8:30pm (late October-early Nov). Then by December they can have comedies from 8-10 on Tuesdays with an encore of the highest rated one at 8pm leading into new episodes from 8:30-10. I hope V airs at 10pm.

12-23-2009, 03:40 PM	#697
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	You're right a 1.8 would be acceptable, although I am not nearly as optimistic as you are that they will get that. The 2.3 it got was a result of the 4.1 PREP and LANDING lead in gave them. I am aware that Convey Belt was a pilot not used yet. My point was an off the cuff answer to your question about what could they do. Just like we didnt know about Converyer there might be other limited/last minute options that would get people talking. I was for them being pateint with FORGOTTEN but it was clear from the last few airings that its just not gonna happen and if they have 2 other strong hours on the night and then are using 10p to be patient, okay. But when the whole night is not working, you have to try something. and yeah I dont get sacrificing ST to Fridays. (It woudl honestly make more sense to put FORGOTTEN there). That show never had a lead in like FORGOTTEN and there is far more potential because without a lead in it gets 1.9 and there is nothing like ST on TV, same cant be said for FORGOTTEN. ABC doesnt even own FORGOTTEN. If they tried ST even once after DWTS or even just at 10p with less competition, and it didnt do better, id say yeah I get it, but they never have. AT this point FORGOTTEN is getting EASTWICK numbers and EASTWICK at least has some passionate fans. All I hear re: Forgotten is apathy or silence. I disagree re: DWTS. each season could and should be 12 weeks (and by the way last Spring was 11, this was 10). Any star signing up for the show greatly wants to be there. If they know firsthand that Thanksweek they have to sacrifice a little, for what it does for their career, i am sure theyd still get celebs to signup. Maybe their families could join them in LA for the week. at that point it would only affect 4 of them. Frankly it makes more sense to use a reality show than schedule an extra ep of scripted TV (which is far more expensive and valuable to them). Yeah if they were making 30 GREYS a year, I agree, but since they are only making 24 and 10 of them aired already, they really cant schedule any more of those.

12-23-2009, 08:23 PM	#699
tvcrazed Member Forum Regular Join Date: May 01, 2008 Location: ny Posts: 952	By the way, in case my above comments dont make it abundantly clear, I love ABC and think they are the most creative, most risk taking net on broadcast tv. I just want them to kick ass and do the best they can do ratings wise, which is why i sometimes questions scheduling, but I think they rock and am always rooting for their much deserved success!

12-24-2009, 01:41 PM	#701
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,821	ABC comedies repeated very well last night. I watched them all again and they have much better rewatchability than the big ABC drama guns like Grey's, LOST or Desperate. They need another comedy night next fall, on Tuesdays. Romantically Challenged can lead the pack for Tuesdays.

12-24-2009, 05:13 PM	#704
Pavan SO News/Reviews Director Administrator Forum Superstar Join Date: Feb 17, 2000 Location: Linden, NJ (Where Hal Linden got his last name from!) Posts: 26,821	Romantically Challenged is multicamera and stars Alyssa Milano and the very funny physical comedian Kyle Bornheimer, who was excellent last season on Worst Week. It has the Friends/How I Met Your Mother style vibe to it. It starts taping Jan. 28. I think unless it bombs terribly like Hank, which I doubt, it will get a second season and ABC can use that for another night, like Tuesdays. They need to fix the Tuesday problem from Dec-March, and having a comedy night will do that. They can have Romantically Challenged be the centerpiece of that block with a new comedy following it at 9:30pm. Dancing Results airs in the 8pm hour and they can cut it to a half-hour by late October/early November and launch another comedy at 8:30pm. This way they can be safe with regular programs from Dec-March. They can either double pump the new comedy from 8-9pm next December or comedy encores at 8pm on Tuesdays. But that is next season. I think we'll see Romantically Challenged launch once Ugly Betty finishes its 22 episodes in late March/early April. Question is will ABC launch it at 8:30pm (no Idol) or 9:30pm (after MF) and have Cougar Town temporary move to 10pm? Cougar Town was airing out of its timeslot last night, but it is doing fine. And the Kudrow appearance will likely do pretty big. I'm guessing best since premiere ratings. I think it is safe to say The Middle, Modern Family and Cougar Town have secured a second season.

12-24-2009, 06:28 PM	#705
JulieSomoski Roseanne Reboot - March 27! Forum Veteran Join Date: Nov 06, 2004 Location: Michigan Posts: 7,558	ABC has a lot of comedies in development as well, don't they? For this season, their safest bet would be to leave Modern Family at 9pm. They already know it has a good sized audience, and will be back next season regardless of how well it does against Idol. But for the rest of the night, it's a tossup. Honestly, the best bet may be to just leave Cougar Town at 9:30, with Romantically Challenged going to 8pm. At least for this season. At 10pm will most likely be Happy Town once Betty ends, which I'm also looking forward to. Next season, they can always do some shifting around. Cougar Town could go to Tuesdays with RC, but I'd prefer they build a night of multi-cam comedies around RC instead. The DWTS results shows should definitely be cut to a half hour. They do good ratings, but they need to sacrifice. It could air at 8pm, be more of a priority to viewers, and help launch a successful comedy block. Seriously speaking, if CBS does end up dropping Old Christine, ABC should grab it up. It already has a built-in audience and could also be used to jump-start the night.